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It would be nice to get information if this new combinator currency also adds influence like awakener orb when you combine the 2 items or if its just random mods.
Wait so according to these patch notes, they didn't introduce any new skill gems or nerf anything at all?
so they said the 50% more monster hp is good for DD, so maybe coc dd gonna be good this league?
Right
Did you watch the announcement ?
Yes literally just added Uber Uber content, new keystones and that's it lol
No, I didn't watch the announcement, I just read the patch notes.
Watch it
I'm actually really surprised they didn't nerf anything
They explain why
Ah, I see
has anyone gotten the reaper supporter pack yet?
i think they said the opposite in fact
rip
What builds are people planning playing?
Same as last league or 3.16
anything CoC trickster
im new was the the countdown for another countdown?
essentially yes
Why can't ggg put any heart into the league mechanics? Why can't we get an interesting mechanic like blight. Why do we always get these cookie cutter mechanics. Farm mechanic currency, insert mechanic currency and fight mobs
I think it’s because it takes more effort ya know
They put all of their focus sucking off the streamers who complain about no end game content by just pouring more and more end game content and making leagues not even fun. Perfect example would be ziz, he gave the leafue a 9/10 but explicitly said the league mechanic is terrible
How the fk can you rate a league at 9/10 with no new skills, no buffs/nerfs and a basic ass mechanic
there was quite a bit of stuff for everyone in the base game changes too though
keystones on atlas passives
new uniques from pinacle bosses
non uber
the crafting mechanic added via sentinal looks HUGE
The update was good the league itself was bad
Pfft the crafting mechanic is no different than archnemesis
You put in currency, you get an upgraded currency
Eh the new map tree is pretty okay and the new crafting enables more builds
I really dislike that, it’s just a slot machine
I didn't see that part, however it just adds to the convoluted crafting system
no its not....
grab tri res boots clear prefixes grab t1 life t1 movement speed boots open prefix
craft them together
sometimes brick
sometimes 5 mod
Sometimes?
It has a chance to bring the good mods together on items
sometimes 6 mod with new unattainable mod
Lol you'll go through 500 exalts for a perfect piece
But it has an equal chance to bring any of the ones you don’t want and smash them together into a pile of garbage
It’s a powerful crafting mechanic don’t get me wrong
i mean awakener orbs allow deterministic outcomes
They care about player retention of course the desired result is gonna be low
So that you’ll play and farm more
i think its gonna be low to get the new never before attainable mods
but high to make just (good) items
League will be a flop
I think it’s a nice mechanic, I just don’t really like it because well... I don’t really enjoy crafting in poe
They need to take a few league and focus on better early game crafting fir new players
what is wrong with early game crafting o.O
Obtaining 6k+ life and several mil dps worth of gear should be obtainable blindfolded
you are aware from a fresh start in ssf you can reach pinnacle content in 1 day right
A new player can achieve that?
Well that’s restrictive I’d say only specific builds can do that
the systems are there
poe will likely never be attempting to solve the game for the new player or the unitiated
its very clearly meant to require learning and thought on how each piece melds with each other
I think it’s honestly just smash three pieces together and hope
Like for people who can afford to craft and create gg items that’s great
@swift charm and that's why the player pop is so low. They can't retain people
Most people can’t do that or just don’t have the time
no your suppose to get like a temple mod 1c base and throw it on something else that matters
or a delve mod base
I love poe and brought many people into the game but ggg needs to ease players transition into the game
ummmm didnt chris say in the livestream player pop is fantastic
i mean over 100k people were watching the livestream
and day 1 que will be like 80k
as do most arpgs
which is why we get seasons instead of just heres the game have fun
console numbers are shit for a pc game hmmmm who woulda thought
Eh I’m unsure? I mean poe is a great game all in all but I think the reason why a lot of people quit is because there’s no clear cut path to progress the end game
@swift charm that's an absurd statement
Only a small percentage of players have the time and know-how to achieve that
The rest of the people who quit are just people who can’t do the grind / don’t know the best ways to grind
Like every league why do you think youtubers release “how to make 4+ ex an hour!”
“How to farm currency”
“How to get rich in poe”
Those videos do well because most players don’t know how to generate the required currency to progress their builds through to red maps
that just sounds like a refusal to find a proper build guide
red maps is really easy on league start with the right build
It doesn’t matter what build you go
@swift charm shouldn't have to follow guides
If you don’t know how to generate currency
You can’t progress your build all that far past the campaign
you dont need to follow guides but theres so much that goes into a character in poe i dont know why you wouldnt
ive played for 3000 hours i still upload other peoples pobs
@swift charm my only argument is take a few leagues and focus on new player progression then maybe leagues won't die after 2 months
But like a lot of the people essentially give up after the first week or two
It would make the market alot more fun
this is literally diablos biggest competitor
Eh I’m just talking about it because it’s had this problem for a long time
Rofl Diablo is trash and any sane person could realize that
Honestly poe forced diablo to be better
That's why the creators of poe left after d2 because poe is where they wanted to take d3 and blizzard said no
lucille for archnemesis where do you think you were at when you wanted to give up
Oh that’s easy, I was playing spectral helix and I wanted to try to play like more satisfying builds, I was farming pinnacle bosses on a laughably low budget too but just most of the builds I wanted to go just took too much currency and I didn’t want to farm that currency out
This was probably one month into the league
I just got bored because my build though good was stale essentially
anyone know next stash tab sale guys?
I played through the campaign 5 different times spent like 30 hours just leveling characters
.<
@visual stone probably a week after you buy all the stash tabs 🤣
Stash tab sales usually take place on weekends I think
I did find that the last build I tried which was hexblast ignite was actually good had decent clear and decent boss dps and cleared the campaign quite well, but that by the time I got to that build I was burned out
@worldly mauve yeah I would love to a see a campaign skip after your first league complete
But most players aren’t going to level so many different characters to try and find what vibes with them
I mean that’s cool
But again how are players who are less experienced with also less time than someone like me gonna last that month right
but moving on since you know
I mean you asked, I’m saying that’s the reason most people quit essentially the gameplay loop isn’t satisfying enough for newer players there’s a brick wall past the campaign that takes too long for many to get past
To find what works for them and what they want to do in that league
i was waiting to buy the unique stash tab from it
but fk it, just bought to get the free mistery box xD
Good luck with the box
@visual stone yeah hope you get something good
@visual stone not bad
Fuck I wanted that.
turn that frown upside down

kinky
I need to buy a pet for a box
i like frog legs
Are +2 amulets going to be more common this league? If you input 2 amulets with different +1s into the recomber, there's a chance you get both on the result, right?
line #1
line #2
so it would seem as long as you throw 3 prefixes and 3 suffixes sometimes the result is that exact 6 mod
but what is the cost to risking it
or do you actually want a random mod to get the previously unnatainable stats
People will literally throw mirrors worth of currency at crafting items with this mechanic lol
But the idea is to get best of all worlds, all the mods you want including one of the new ones
My big question would be - does it reroll the prefixes and suffixes on the new item or is it just copy paste seems the most relevant way to look at it right
Do you recommend any good starters for this league?
You guys think ball lightning is viable in sentinel?
BL will always be decent
SC: Detonate dead elementalist, Seismic trap Sabo, Lightning strike Raider/Champ/Zerk
When does poe2 release
we got no clue
one day in the futur
Cya in a year to ask again
if you arent enjoying poe in the current stat , poe2 wont change that
I like it. Just looking for something new. Last league I played was expedition and it was awesome
You know we got 4 new bosses and we're getting 7 new Uber versions of bosses right?
- new whole atlas
I predict Q2 2023, if I'm right everyone has to give me 1c first poe2 league
Didnt they say beta before 2023
Is DD Ele using ignite for damage?
was suposed to be 2021
Also LS raider good starter?
good depend on you
Oh I'm a cracked mlg pro do you see my pfp
Kinda trying to strike a balance of pretty easy bossing cuz I'm bad at that, and still decentish mapping cuz I'm good at that
the ones I've seen around ye
I find ls raider a good starter
played one in exped I think
but bossing is ehh............
Chris said a few years Lmao
hey,What are your opinions on spark inquisitor vs spark assassin?
Does GGG ever tell us where cards drop or do we always have to find out through playing?
find
Alright
Would it make sense for ggg to add spell to attack (or vice versa) conversion in any shape or form? Eg a unique or support gem? Feel like you could do some cool stuff with it
you mean something like this ?
wich is there is 1.0
I guess but I wanted something more fundamental. On the order that attacks are treated as spells or vice versa
Like the tag on your skill gem changes from physical to spell
there is physical spell
its realy attack /spell all type of dmg can be done by both
Yeah, but allowing the tag to change might open up some cool stuff in terms of scaling all sorts of skill gems in different ways
Might be too OP/difficult to balance in the sandbox
Just thinking if there would be any advantages of switching the tag completely
Things that scale with the attack tag that might not necessarily be scaled with battlemage
What's the jewel that makes everything brittled, sap etc instead calldd
interrogation?
It's more a design choice than a matter of how strong it'd be.
they've made it clear they want tags to be static. because the game is already very complex for new players. when you start adding ways to fuck with one of the more consistent things in the game it doesn't actually help anything.
Plus, if they wanted something from one type of tag in another they could just make a better flavored version of that as that tag.
sooooo uhhhh headhunter now gives passive detonate dead as a skill
tags are helpful notes to the player, not a data source used by the game. spells are spells because that's what they are, not because they have the "spell" tag
which isn't to say that a "attacks are treated as spells" (or vice versa) mechanic is impossible, but it'd be difficult, and the mechanic would have to be very specific in defining what it applied to
e.g. if you turned spells into attacks, does fireball use your weapon damage now? can it be evaded by enemies? what would it even mean to turn a non-combat spell like Dash or Summon Skeletons into an attack? etc, etc.
what build should I do between:
flicker strike,
dom blow,
ele hit,
skele mages
and dark pact totem?
(not really looking for optimal, just can't choose)
😨
add 1 more and you got 6 for dice throw
guys is righteous fire a good starter ? just want to make one char. dont want to re roll further ahead but it seems to chill and I don't know if it is too expansive to boost
Pohx has a very comprehensive guide. But if you are someone who doesn't make a lot of money over the league you might end up stalling out in red maps due to cost to go further.
It is very doable as a starter if you are decent.
Hopefully ashes won't be that rare
They didnt change any items? Omniscient is still a thing?
Yes. But did change it's drop rate
Is it Fryday yet?
https://c.tenor.com/rUdNSJQOiU8AAAAM/dechartgames-hungry-garden.gif
Anyone looking for a partner in crime for the new league
Ty m8. Im still trying to decide. RF, Raider LS or seimic trap. Need to decide for a good all around. Usually I can do 10 ex in the first two weeks
Then honestly RF does fine. Pohx's guide is helpful, and tenkiei had a video about it recently that also included some info on the gearing for the build would be helpful
@foggy ravine
Have they announced the challenge rewards for this league yet?
@scenic ridge they mentioned you get 2 full sets of Armour, and that the structure is a bit different this league.
Apologies if this has been talked about already (can't think of good search terms), but is it known when sentinels affect a targeted MOBs drop rarity/quantity? Does it have to be empowered while it is at full life? If not what stops me empowering bosses only after I get the to (say) 10% life and reaping the rewards with very little of the risk?
@frigid holly im 99% sure something was mentioned about when sentinal is applied hp is reset to full
correct
Is toxic rain still viable for league start?
yup
Are you able to get ultimatum uniques this league
I want to play with that one wand that gives you a phys flameblast that I forgot the name of
:(
They gave us ultimatum music in the reveal, then they hit us in the sack
You got more endgame added directly
The Uber bosses were added
thats not league
I mean, so? There was end game content added. Even if it's not tied to sentinel.
And it doesn't matter if the league mechanic added anything to the end game
There was other end game content added
@neat rover there's the angel of vengeance unique sentinel that converts the suncaller into a big boss fight
"There are also a set of Unique Sentinels that empower specific Atlas Map Bosses, causing them to become much more dangerous and rewarding. "
yeah that sounds kinda cool
that moment when uber uber uber elder is still brain dead
should be called shaper instead
Any idea of when we would see a 3.18 atlas tree? I assume they have to release all of the keystones first.
With torrent day before launch or whenever that typically drops (from what I've heard)
Is that because GGG releases it? Or because it's data mined with the torrent?
Second I think? not really sure
Might be contained in full patch notes that drop around that time-ish maybe that's the connection
Thanks, didn't play last league and have been playing with an atlas builder to get some idea of what to do for league start at least.
In general, GGG can't release a new tree until they take the servers down, because the website and the game are pulling from the same info. They have released JSONs of the passive tree a day or two early though, so they might do the same for the atlas tree.
we got an early look at the atlas tree last league because it hadn't existed before, so there were no version conflicts
unclear if we're going to get prerelease JSON for the atlas tree this league, they're going to be continuing to post teasers with keystones up until close to release, and releasing the JSON would spoil that 🙂
and there's no significant changes to the passive tree
Thanks. Won't matter that much for me anyways as I never hit maps on day 1. 🙂
More of a curiosity thing since I skipped last league
"Most likely alongside the pre-launch patch we'll deploy when Archnemesis ends. I can't 100% guarantee that but that's the current plan at least."
Bex on when we are getting updated atlas tree planner
we already know the exact time the league starts?
There's a countdown on https://www.pathofexile.com/ to the league start
Mandatory, is the count down in my time zone 
You joke, but I've encountered the countdown being wrong in other games because of timezone (but that was mostly DST)
speaking as a software developer… daylight saving time is the worst
"how many hours are there between 8 PM and 8 AM?" 😭
idk if im dumbbut, from what i've seen.... what is there to be excited about this league?
seems like very empty and nothing new or improved
not wanting to troll just genuinely cant seem to think of stuff like "oh harvest league is crafting stuff" "oh archnem is endgame and simple league"
never got to new bosses last time but mkay, and ig the archnem stuff might be interesting, as long as they aint super rippy
is that about it?
If I have Zealot's Oath, does recoup as life recoup es instead?
Shouldn't as far as I'm aware
The atlas tree changes also should have impact on what we can get done
But ig this patch does not have this much new stuff for someone who does not reach at least attempting these new bosses
i had a fun build but it was too squishy
clear was great tho
so it bummed me down
How much did you invest? Makes a huge difference
well there was not really much spots to be tankier in my skill gems etc
but it wasnt very tanky
Probably want to stay away from squishy builds. Easy to make any build do good dps really
ZO only affects regeneration, not any other form of recovery
Does anyone know when the skin shop changes promotions?
anyone recall where the "podcast" that followed the Announcement stream Interview portion was hosted? who's channel? like right when patch notes came out?
ziggy
not the Q&A tho
whats going on with spark.....
it did well in 3.17 dinnit?
Friend told me there are ZERO balance changes coming.
correct
Is that true? Because...I can't imagine a worse time.
Zero balance changes when "running simulator" builds are top tier...fun.
I guess theirs LS or somethin
enjoy
A lot of things are top tier right now - its not like its only walking simulator. Thats 2 or 3 builds
Seismic trap or guardian storm brand?
Was heist to start the league before maps good this past league?
Alot of people did strong box. Im planning to also
Some of these Sentinel challenges are crazy.
jesus christ lily's captions are so fuckign cursed
those boss challenges can suck a fart, cba for them 😩
Ya, that second armor set looks cool. But not 38 challenge cool...
and all the bad skills are still bad oof

Aren't there atlas passives for possessed exiles?
Ya
ngl some of these new keystones that just make the content harder to get upgraded rewards is disappointing
HH nerfed , so sad
I mean, there are 80 new Archnemisis buffs out there that you have no idea what they do to steal now. Sounds like a HH buff to me!
> implying that anyone knew what most of the rare monster mods were before 3.18
There were the good ones and the meh ones, some did good some did meh
I know a phys and haste aura when I see one!
namely from the mysterious "resurrect at checkpoint" popping up
ummmmm i thought the mod cap was 4
who knows, maybe one of the keystones will make monsters be able to have 5
Either that or it counts other special mods like essence or torment stuff, but that seems like it'd be too easy
Same ... But that's about it lel
Oh ye and the one for alot of ES
Well idk the name but I do notice it when my rare Dom blow minion gets one kek
wasnt the normal time for league to end yesterday?
i loaded poe today to sort std tabs but looks like archnem league is still on?
maybe but you cant really argue with ggg if they decide to end it on monday or tuesday
so whats normal doesnt really matter
I was hoping the sentinel league would have already started by now lol
Why it would
When it comes to expeditions in maps, are the artifacts split between players? or do they simply drop the same amount as solo and just give it to each player?
It would be way too good if other would get the same amount
Iirc, just to the main player
these new challenges seem way too rng-y
kind of like they were made to test your retention and willingness to padding your playtime out and not the way you'll deal with the actual game's challenge
Not much rng
the harvest boss thing is just crazy, i've played every patch except 3.17 since harvest got reintroduced and i still have fought a harvest boss only once
Just lot of atlas respect
yeah, tilting the rng towards you
i cant imagine why they would make the extremely customizable and specifically-tailored atlas tree such a big selling point and then go and make the challenges so that doesn't even matter
Will there be another Kirac vault?
yes, this was confirmed during the livestream.
Challenges look really hard / grindy and going for 40 without using TFT is borderline suicidal. 7 conditionals, lots of heavy grinding, requirement of defeating things that don't exist (harvest boss!). At least 24 is enough to get the armor set, though this 24 is nothing like 24 in Archnemesis or earlier leagues.
i have just 1 issue with them - no options. Unique maps always allowed some wiggle room, same for possessed exiles etc. Now you have to beat it all. Which means that you'll need to buy this fucking Doryani's Machinarium anyway. It's removed from atlas but still required for challenge. So no difference tbh
Easy skip tbh
The most painfull thing in this challenges are "complete all" in 99% of challenges
If I want to main a LS berserker, but want to run heist for a day or two to farm currency, should I even do that on a berserker? Or should I make a separate deadeye char for first 1-3 days of heist farming??
zerker is fast
Unless you plan on farming a long long time
Zerker is nearly as fast
So the time to level and gear something else doesnt make it too worth it
Ok, since I'll be using spectral helix to level with I didnt know if it would have been just as good as say TR deadeye for heisting a couple days around low level 60ish
I only level with Something and Phantasms makes it so easy 🙂
Did GGG state why there is no blocker for Betrayal content on the new atlas tree? Is it just because it'd be locking you out of crafts or what?
Or am I just missing it
ahh yeah okay that makes sense, ty!
This Atlas tree is crazy.
Just block everything but Harvest and take this...
Crafting for daysssssss
but when are you playing
I am not going to do that but I wonder how often harvest would spawn if you juiced it like that. Each canceled content gives you another 2% Harvest chance + the 50% chance.
with all the bonuses from any atlas passive that can grant harvest more chance to show up.
still less than 10%
this will be my first league on pc lol came from playstation pretty excited
Welcome.
Hopefully you know about the new controller support.
Wont have to become a keyboard goblin
yea i got a controller just incase lol
nice nice
its a hard thing to get used of lol
pretty sure that 50% is multiplicative and not additive
so it would either be 8% + 20% + 4% ... or (8% +20%) + 14%
I need more atlas points. Too many good things to put points into...
Ya, I didn't figure it was additive.
imagine tho
Chris said they were yesterday. But not everything is weighted the same.
ofc not ... its also the chance for any extra content to spawn
and theres things you cant specifically block
I suck at crafting anyways. 🙂
same
Alva, beasts and delve?
delve pog
abyss kinda nice too tho oof
cannon fodder corrupted 5 and 6 line abyss jewels
problem is its on the opposite side of the map
xD
Hoping POE planner updates the new atlas soon.
Much easier to use that site than the official.
honestly i didnt even play much in archnem because of some stuff irl and another game so ive got all of last update and all of this league as kinda fresh
so idk much about how stuff actually works and whats worth it on the tree
xD
I skipped 3.17 too
buff to behead support
both a buff and a nerf to hh
i have an idea of something i might play lel
tried it in scourge but it was a bit rough with the fortify nerfs
expecially for a specific melee/summon skill oof
Going Pohx's RF build myself.
RF hype
gl
honestly I'm starting to suspect it'll be a buff to most HH users, outside of extreme cases like legion 5-ways
the people doing those super juiced content are the only people who actually can use or even care about hh tho
If I get a new laptop that can play PoE, I plan on going voidforge chains of command/dancing dervish
cuz they are the ones able to afford it
but ye i dont see this as a nerf ... or if it is one its prefaced by really nice qol
sure, you can't get multiple of the same archnemesis mod -- but there's something like 80 of those
you wont see all 80 in a map tho lel
also they are a bit stronger
like the individual effects
right... outside of situations where you're killing an absolute shittonne of monsters all at once, like legion 5-ways
getting duplicates would still reset the duration on HH right?
even tho they dont stack
i still dont think even then
you might get 1/2 or 3/4ths of them but the game is weird like that
time to kill my motivation before the league even starts ...
soooooooo wonder how the new archnem mods will interact with dom blows rare sentry ... and same for behead
still wont make the skill feel any better from losing all its reach but meh
anyways my point is, I think the "oh no I can't stack 10x of the same mod anymore" aspect of the rare mod changes is probably being overblown
I just noticed they changed the 2% chance to drop an additional connected map nodes on atlas from the boss to a random mob.
yeah, that was intended to counter a strategy where players would stack that drop chance to 100%, then rush map bosses on fast layouts like city square, ignoring the rest of the map
Will there be further patch notes before launch?
It feels a little weird that harbs don't count as extra content
according to current wording
they will be removed inshallah
They'll probably just be appended to the existing post
don't harbingers not spawn naturally? iirc they only appear if you've specifically allocated their atlas passives or used a map device mod
i wonder how common recombinators r
chris mention they would be valuable in std so im wondering if i should hoard them
or if they are rarer than divines
i hoard divines but buying them is annoying
no clue lmao
yr probably right
what was the problem with that tho? everyone has to do the boss eventually anyway ... but now everyone has to full clear because one random mob might have it
knowing what it does its probably going to be exalt levels probably
the problem described was sustaining the map by only killing boss
it was a pigeonhole situation cuz killing the boss is the most effective way to farm maps, and it was self sustaining
at least they didnt kill boss rush
they just nerfed the city squares farmers
who sold city squares while farming guardian maps by only killing the boss in less than 10 seconds per run
Yeah the problem should be fairly evident and you seem to understand why it was changed from the way your question was worded
bossing on new atlas has the best reward/relax ratio imo
im unaffected by the change from what i can see
half clear maps and tp at boss, prob still get maps fine
also dropping 4 guardian maps from the boss was super toxic, the iiq interaction made boss rush insanely top-heavy
sure you could spam and get a ton of maps but you still need to run those maps ... map sustain is only the start
lel
and ye i know why they did it ... i just dont see why it was a problem xD
If you can oversustain by clearing a boss that is next to the start in <10 seconds you do not need to run maps
You can profit by spending <20 seconds in a map
i mean running the map after you have a pool of maps
(you can sell maps)
Maps are a drop that has value
if you get more than 1 per map you run
oof
You don't need to run them all, as eventually you have a stack of maps you'll never touch
you're oversustaining
thats why i was saying i dont see it as a problem
i think its fair to say it made guardian maps /way/ more common
you could easily produce multiple guardian maps a minute
true oof
And it's by going in and killing one mob that is deterministic (the boss), thus the change
this nerf to guardian map sustain + uber bosses might be really good for further making bossing profitable
Non-favoured maps drop as currency keystone and cartographer scarabs, good strat?
if I see as much mention of omniscience next league as this one, Imma completely cut myself off of all human interaction
Guys guys, remember the general opinion of mass that said: "If we were cut content from atlas, that will definitely be abyss, no doubt about it!" ? Well look at this now, The biggest increased Exp!
Honestly, unless you have excess maps to start with it feels like bait.
And ?
And it could lead to different things:
- Perhaps GGG monitoring the feedback before they release more information, meanwhile tweaking numbers and such.
- After seen changes, would player still cut abyss from their atlas? I think it's not that obvious as it was before.
Pretty sure that abyss node is on the current tree
yeah the exact same node already exists on the current tree
so it existing in 3.18 means pretty much nothing

This is a bit monkaS
But, @GGG, can we please have opportunity to let Maven witness Sirus?
And she will add him into elderslayers fight, when elderslayers are down?
Same you can do with Elder's Guardians, Breachlords - Xezht-Ula and Chayula appearing when regular Breachlords are down
Kinda of uber invitations 🙂
@slim vault@shell sparrowsorry for this, but really want to have Sirus been witnesed by Maven 🙂
Guys, Im teared apart RF and CF glad, what should I play? played last league RF all league, but still liked it and now wanted to try smth different :((
I would go CF champ over CF glad
You really pinged ggg staff for such random thing ?
BRUH
Lucky you didnt get muted or banned yet
I was planning on starting rf, but since the league is more like boss league, i tho about playing DD ignite , idk how strong it is compare to Physical Trap since i never played DD before or RF in general , any recommendation ?
Do we know if sentinels will be lv based?
like archnemesis so you can't save them up and you're kinda forced to use them as you get them when levelling
or would it be possible to save em for yellow+ maps and burn through em then
bye archnem league you wont be missed
So, the question is, how good of a player are you.
there's tiers so the ones u find later are going to be better
ah so no point in saving them and just use as you go, alright ty
well depends on how rare they are but yeah I got it now
Unless the early level sentinels are good value when leveling, I think it's best to skip the league mechanic till maps
the currency and unique empower sentinels are the only ones worth the trouble, probably
this league micro is much better than archnemesis because they are tradeable, they have a dedicated locker and they can be placed in regular stash tabs if you run out of space in locker. Archnemesis was propably the worst league ever when it comes to managing league-specific items. Tiny storage, fragments don't stack, fragments are impossible to store elsewhere, fragments aren't tradeable. Srsly that was god-awful. If they only fixed that, Archnemesis league would be much more fun.
yea managing the drops was really annoying when i got to maps
So what builds are people planning to start anyways
Pohx's RF Inquis.
fire trap elementalist
Never ping ggg employees unless they specifically say it’s ok
Don't wanna run them off by pestering them, I luv some of them and if they leave me I don't know what I'd do (probably write them every day for a year like the notebook)


Can league be out yet pls
Nou
no new skill gems leakd?
No u
bc no balance changes, this will just be Giga Capitalism League where the best players already know and use the best builds
Isn't that every league
Yup
at least in other leagues there was some balancing so player's weren't totally sure what the best builds were
i am, unfortunately, not one of the best players. therefore, i am malding
What?
Just play like you always do, the top players will always be the top no matter what happens
I just play whatever I want and could care less about the top players
im a top d2 player prolly gonna be top poe player this league
Lmao
Whhy the Qs ?
Cuz one build is braindead and one isn't
I want to play the game
Play
Hmmm.. EA or Seismic..
Flip a coin
you couldn't be more wrong... You act like people don't know more than one build. Most people still play their build even with a 10% damage nerf. How is it a capitalism league?
tell me more how you aren't good at the game by trashing the league and other players
Rf is braindead i would assume ? And dd need some what mechanic?
I mainly try to boss clear i suppost , , and idk how good rf is it for it, ik it can clear fast the map but idk on boss dmg
DD ignite better for boss pretty sur
RF is, by its nature, not particularly good at bossing. It's not incapable of killing bosses, but it will be a slower process and you will probably need to use additional skills to increase your damage
Think flame wall + fire trap are the two common supplemental skills typically
SR used to be the hot shit but standing still pretty monka these days
Yeaa for rf i was thinking fire trap, for single target, but idk how it is compare to DD ignite since i nwver tried it before
All of this also depends if you even get to those bosses that are quite difficult.
If you aren't even going to go that far or get there then there is no stress.
Same build from 3.16 or 3.17
My noob ass shall be playing Seismic then making a zoomy boneshatter after probably if you'd like random suggestions from other non-pros
Played inquis in 3.16 when pohx made the very nice very playable guide
Just feels so bad to hit a wall after you spend a few ex where the upgrades are like expensive AF relative to your current investment
The gearing curve is like pretty chill then a cliff to push it farther I feel
what's a good lightning skill gem (spell) to build around?
Arc
Arc, Ball Lightning, Spark
congrats lighty at another 4 unique designs
lmao
he can only get 1 tho. it's the first 7 to kill all 7
it is official they're deadass calling it uber uber elder
yeah
your ride has arrived sir
first to kill all 7 is actually hard for all players including lightee
hey these keystones are in range of each other if u use impossible escape right
these too maybe?
reckon u could do anything w/ that
Whats a good idea for what time this update hits? I'm in CST/GMT-6
just go on the website and check the countdown
1st seven to kill sven
not hard for lightee
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Thanks
Do we know how increased chance of base content will work with kirac league mods
Which league mods are you thinking of? Atlas passives don't affect the maps he offers, and the map device options would just guarentee one with the odds of extra content being the chance for an additional if the types match
sorry if I'm noob, but what are new things in this League?
Sentinels? 🙂
yesd
It's time to wake up Neo
Will Sentinel work on Blight mobs?
I wonder how rare recombinators will end up being. Seems fun to mess with
does anyone have a good tldr video of the new poe league? im so behind with all the announcements it would be super helpful. TIA!
you get 3 different pets (sentinels)
one empowers like 50 monsters one by one
one empowers a whole screen at once (up to a limit of mobs)
one empowers only rares and uniques
you chose when to activate them, each can be activated once per zone
empowered mobs are harder but drop more loot
sentinels have charges, when they run out you can use a mechanic to combine to used up ones, this mechanic uses some genetic tech where it takes some mods from both, and occasionally throws in something extra
The first described is also limited by duration
thank you so much
thank you for that!
you guys are awesome for capping that!
there is also a small skill tree for the sentinels, and some new currency that allows the combining tech to be used on gear
by zone do you mean like, a map or just the general areas and it refreshes when you go into another area of the same act/map
oh poggers
this is so different, im looking forwards to trying it!
im not sure how well i explained myself with the zones there lol
it refreshes when you go to another area
i think there is a node in the tree that was mentioned that allows 2 activations per area
awesome! have details of the tree been released yet or are they keeping that until launch?
zero balance changes
excellent
no buffs or nerfs to tree or skills
changes to monster mods, all the mods rares and magic mobs have, have been replaced by archnemesis mods
even better!
that makes sense
and some new fancy stuff on atlas passive tree, new keystones, ability to disable things like harvest, heist, whatever...
and uber bosses (accessed through atlas keystones)
thank you for the info too
isn't the league good to be played in SSF ?
i don't want to stress with the trade league concurrency ...
SSF is just for people flexing on leader boards
You can play trade and just never interact with people, have the option to buy that one unique if you can't find it
yeah, you're right...
the stress comes more from streamers and their viewers flexing their discoveries (new build, new combination etc...)
Ssf is certainly more rewarding feeling if you can make progress
But ofc comes with the occasional pauses in progression to farm up gear
What time does the league start EST
Just check the countdown on the website
4pm EST tomorrow
I cant play until 6pm est, is it still worth playing?
Yes
Serious question though, does anyone have a recommendation for best sisemic trap guide? I'm looking st maths
hi guys, no gem information yet?
theres no gem changes
Trying to decide on my league start. Very torn between EA ballistas, RF, and skellie mages. I'd love to do the new uber bosses as I've never really done any bossing.
wut? rly no changes?
no
The only thing with RF I feel is that it’s so unsatisfying to level, that’s the only thing that stops me. Because I wanna use my ability but you can’t for quite a while from what I remember. I don’t like starting things where the first 3 hours of my build I can’t play the skill, but that’s because it doesn’t motivate me ya know.
Basically all of the meta builds have to transition to their main skill after a while of using something else
Is why I like starting helix
You can still transition your build after to other things but it’s also and nice and smooth leveling process in itself.
But yeah a ton of builds are like rf in that you swap over once you get to maps basically
Lots of people swap off helix for LS mostly
Hardly anyone likes playing helix lole
I don’t like helix in like red tier maps
It becomes unenjoyable because of the speed and movement of mobs I feel
Also LS just out scales helix tbh
It's an acquired taste
Like mapping feels slow on helix but it’s not really that slow it’s just not incredibly fast either
And a little clunky at times but it’s like playing hammerdin in d2 like that
its literally the same skill just not a spell
I never played ele helix so the call of steel made mapping a lot smoother
I didn’t like having to press call of steel a lot idk I’m dumb lol
The use speed jewel makes it smooth
Ahh okay
People still playing EA totems painchamp
Is it time yet

You better watch the video
Can we favourite unique maps now or still no
Like if I bump my head and want to live in death and taxes or maelstrom of chaos
Cant
what we league starting
im gonna step outside my comnfort zone and try skele mages. Never done a minion build ever
I played skele makes last league and loved it. I'm thinking of running the same since there were no skill changes.
Blue Sentinel + Bountiful Harvest node = good?
actually I should go time dilation just for blue sentinels
Someone make me excited for this league. I just don't want to level a character only to realize I don't enjoy it.
😭 🙏 ❤️
it's like standard except you need to press an extra button when you see a boss
worst part of skele mage was the jewel (at the early days of the league)
pretty sure the same this time
I leveled minion army so the jewel wasn't a problem immediately for me
But yes, getting Dead Reckoning early on is pretty pricey
IF you can stomach dedicated a day to heist you can afford it fairly early on and it's a pretty common drop there
but that's not fun to a lot of people
It's how I got my Dead Reckoning last league
You can swap to it after second lab and zoom through as inquisitor. Before then you level with wintertide and honestly it feels good till then.
Yeah think they changed up a little Regen stuff so getting it online during acts is doable
And it kinda slaps from what I remember if you get it online early
I played it in scourge when it was hot
I don't watch a lot of streamers what's the go to clickbate build this time round?
ah just wondering what the echo chamber is, will be good to sell those things
Good thing self crafting RF gear is an actual joke
Explosive arrow is probably one as well
Skelly mages probably too
And poisonous concoction so basically it’s the same
@mellow sun how could you not be excited for the largest everywhere revamp in poe history with every single rare and magic mob changing
But war, war never changes...
This has been my struggle for a couple leagues and I end up not playing 
Do you have a recommended build please? The one I used last league wasn't quite as satisfying :) or perhaps the name of someone I could check out? Thank you 💖
U mean recommend guide for skelly mage ? If thats the case check ghazzy or kay
Hey! Is the patch torrent available yet?
Poggers, thank you fren!
there will be an announcement in #old-game-news dont worry
Okay, ty!
the countdown in POE main website is for the queue to start and people to get in the game right?
Queue will start some time before that, countdown is when league will start
oh, so when does we can download the patch?
~3h before that, post in #old-game-news explains
yea i read that realm go down and patching begin i just dont know that the patch download and queuing is at the same time
ty btw
Queue won´t be live with patching, but they´ll usually ping here when queue is up
For the most part I just followed Kayella's guide with a couple small changes to my tastes ^ ^
thank you! 
im new to pc whats this patch torent thing?
its for people wit really bad internet
yeah but some people take more than 3h to dl 5gb
or working and wanting to be ready when home
i hope they make the atlas tree apply to kirac missions some day
Bruh, they released all the uber jewels for the classes except marauder. :(
and ascendant
best self cast spell?
how tanky those new rare monsters will be ? anyone things they will be as hard as 4th archnemesis pseudo bosses?
or even harder?
should i prepare more like bosses build for them?
less tanky than the archnemesis mobs, they said the archnemesis mods had life multi that was removed when replacing the old mods
imho, nothing is worth not sleeping
guys guys .. a little help plz. ls champion or raider ?
does raider need a lot of ex to be solid ?
that depends on the build not the class
Or witch. Or did I miss it?
Is invulnerability one of archnemesis mods? I wonder how that's going to work
witch had the recoup one.
25% health, mana, es recoup
it also changes the duration into 3 seconds instead of 4. making it more potent.
they changes things that aren't the builds.
like they changed all magic/rare enemy mob's special mods to use the new archnem mods, they also added more content. but the passive tree and skills were left untouched
sad
eh, i think it's actually fine. the meta is more diverse than people think rn
maybe, but I'm fascinated by how the meta changes with balance changes, you think "wow, this build can be very strong, need to try it", but this time no new builds 😦
I'm league starting a new build for me cause of the no changes and doing cobra lash raider
Outside of DD being just DD, there's a huge variety of builds. And DD is really only super strong in races/low economy environments like SSF
yup
New uniques are introduced. Those can impact your view on certain builds
When the queue start? 2 hr before league launch?
~3 hours
When steam uptade will be ready, anyone knows that ??
should be like an hour or two before queue?
okey sir thank you
3-4 h before launch
when is poe update available for download?
oh nvm
i just saw what sokmeone wrote
LOL oops
what is playable on ranger ? besides helix and conc...
Therea that real cool flask build. I dont remember what skill it uses but it constantly gains life on flask use
flicker
@compact berry flicker can be starter?
It can be level with helix until you get your flicker setup going probably
Seems like it could be pretty okay
toxic rain still viable? or dead?
i dont want to bother with helix, its too uncomfortable to play:(
When does the client updates? Ty
TR should be fine
The league starts in 4-5 hours I think
Yeah just get a quill rain zoom around should be okay
probably 3 hours before launch you can start download like usual
but on the off chance thats wrong. When can we start the download ? 
Usually 3 hours before league
client is saying 5 hours but I thought it'd be at 8pm in central europe (sweden), what's right?
5 hours
😦
its almost always 3pm central time (US). I think one league was a couple hours earlier than that but otherwise its been pretty much the same.
4pm est
roughly the same i'd wager
Wouldn’t be the first league I’m late because download lol
Is poison static strike possible yet? Asking for a friend. (My only friend is me.)
Checked log last time was ~1:30min earlier on Steam, 50min before queue
Ayo where my steam patch?
Servers are going down for patch deployment in an hour and five minutes. The patch download will be available a few minutes after that
Thanks ❤️
path in 1h 5min but will the league be on after that or do we need to wait 4hours?
Yep, the patch won't be live for four hours
League always starts at the end of countdown. Queue might be up earlier though.
sad panda, didnt watch the countdown closer until now. 4h is midnight where i live :/
what time does update usually come out?
been a few leagues since i've played, whats the best trade tool now
ok still awakened, thats the one i used most recently
watchu mean we ain't sleeping until sunday night anyway
ye EU gets shafted on these times
10pm is ok
what are the advantages of ea over dd? single target damage at the cost of slower clear?
same here, sg ?
In 34 min
Okay nice
Roughly yes. Servers go down for deployment exactly 3 hours before launch (so in 33 minutes), and the patch download is generally available a few minutes after that
Question for league
Yes what is question
I'll be able to download the patch for the league when servers go down, right?
I'm just wondering why the patch is 30 gigs for non steam users.
like, why is the torrent so huge?
The torrent can't partially patch the new content to the content.ggpk file, hence you need to get the entire file
Steam and standalone launchers can patch new content only to the file
redownloading the entire game
More or less, yeah
Is the standalone patch up yet
Going for bane :')
where patch
any off meta builds you guys are going for?
yo when's the patch gonna be available to dl on steam?
No steam patch yet
i think they will write patch is up
will there be @ everyone when this happens?
Mine is ok but birthday party and got to leave soon..
ok
It's supposed to be available any minute now

Does standalone patch is up? If not something's going wrong ahah
When is start time? 3pm est?
10pm paris time
Steam doesn't seem to realize here is an update yet - how long before should it usually notice?
3 hours from now basically?
Yes
thats when the servers come up - the pathcing should start before that
there will be a queue to get in however
yes
yeh - I know - howver, my Steam doesn;t seem to be patching ready to get into the queue yet
There is no patch yet so it cant search for one
yeah it wont be up yet
edit: still not
ye just tried, not up yet
jebaited
what time does league start at? the counter said 3hrs but the forum post said it starts at 8PM my time (which is in 2hrs)
2h 43mins
Last couple leagues launched early, can't remember if the timer showed early launch or if they just launched early
Sentinel is 3.18 right?
yea
Thanks! 😄
So can I paste the Content.ggpk already ?
Is the steam patch still not up?
nope
employee forgot to deploy patch
where steam patch? 😦
slow internet panik
i think GGG forgot about us 😦
they were like "yey its friday, lets go home everyone have a nice weekend"
typical tyty
True and real
your first league? Steam patch was always some mins after maintance begin
i've been playing this game for years
give the people a break
the interns forgot to click the button to start the patch
some people will still be downloading when the servers go live....
can't torrent on steam :/
who?
you
I should have woken up at 4am instead of 3:30... noted
guys im going to take nap, wake me up when patch it up
No hehe
Take 8min nap and comeback

oh god still no patch im in full panic mode
Steam patch is up
league starts at 22h??
why tf would u torrent a free game
-_-
Slow internet speed, working until leaguestart and only want the <1GB patch instead of 5GB, etc
when queue ?
Queue is not up.
will queue start at a specific time like 90min before or is it just random ?
random
hope they put the website up as i didnnt download the game last night lol
2 hours
in 2 hrs
I think the website usually goes up around the time queueing opens up. If not, it will be up once people start getting into the game.
@bitter needle ight ty mate
im gonna get off work one hr early 
I’m trying too, I’m sick anyways these mfs lucky I’m here
where do i find the speeding through acts tutorials?
theres a good beginnerrs guide to speedrunning on Ziz channel. POE Univerrsity w tyty
thanks
GOod builds
Noob tube a witch or maruda
is good builds a channel/youtuber?
ARE YOU ALRIGHT
you torrent the patch not the game
Also torrenting != Pirating
bruh 🤣
directx12 or vulcan?!
VULCAN LAAD
website is up
❤️
did we see the maraudeur forbidden ascendancy?
scion and marauder are still missing
ok
goddamn instaclicked and still 7k in queue lol
Time to get my filter
Thought it would auto log in so I'm only 11k!
2759 here
dan yo
well, not bad
lol how long were you spam clicking for
2 hours
🤣
Never were that close with the queue:
Close
i was 78 once
Where can I get the patches notes??
If you start with DD - Small PP 😄
why does league not start at 21
7600 buddy in arms
That ever fun time of "I still have no idea what I want to league start as"
I went skelly mages the last two so I need a break from that build
just do the same build as last league then you dont have to come up with a build 😄
many ppl go ea totem?
First league with controller support, time to use controller 🙂
I'm going cyclone again, first time I ever play the same build 2 leagues in a row
Imma be doing bone shatter, probably jugg but maybe slayer
I was considering EA Ballista, Also considering going something tanky at low level and doing some endless heist for day 1
Im still downloading update lol I think I’m gonna get in pretty late
u got 1 more h
Yeh true
I’m still on da bus to get home
and also its only like 5gb?'
my time is limited this league so I won't be racing for HH or anything. probably won't actually finish my end-game gear set for a month to a month and a half
laff at build guides showing headhunter for league start, some of these people are real special
What kinda builds are people going with for this league? havent really followed poe in a couple of months though i know there werent many balance changes
i stopped playing competitive, i play league every 3 leagues or so, game sucks
Yeah my ACTUAL goal for this league is to finally learn the crafting systems so I can rely a bit less on trade

