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[timid geyser]

seems to be it's main purpose.

[patent zinc]

what type of damage does the tornado reflect? same type as what u hit it with?

or phy only?

hmm, that's interesting

[molten coral]

you can have hydrosphere and tornado now with chain

[patent zinc]

u could put in in malachai's artifice for some EE

idk, not that, should be replica malachai's artifice

brittle, freeze chill at same time

that's the way, i think

[timid geyser]

Any damage you hit it with.

[patent zinc]

so replica malachai artifice + tornado, in place of fire golem + malachai artifice, that's cool

[timid geyser]

Well, reflect cannot cause status ailments. So replica malachai's doesn't really work

[patent zinc]

really? lol that is sad

maybe it will be a bug and inflict ailments for 3.16 only, who knows, its ggg

[timid geyser]

Not a bug. It is intentional.

[patent zinc]

someone will test it out, lets see lol

[timid geyser]

Ailments are an on hit effect and reflect damage cannot apply and on-hit effects.

[patent zinc]

maybe tornado is good for wither stacks

[timid geyser]

Yeah, that is an option, but note only the spell hit portion can apply wither, not the reflected damage hit.

[patent zinc]

or awakened spell casacade, 5 tornados?

[timid geyser]

Maximum of 1 Tornado

[timid geyser]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/11707/filter-account-type/staff/page/11#p3069858 source on this

[honest ivy]

honestly no reason it should limit to one

[timid geyser]

It is what the skill gem says. At least for level 1.

[patent zinc]

this tornado, doesnt inherit your stats, rite? like totems mines etc

[timid geyser]

Tornado is a spell. Not a separate entity. It is the equivalent to something like orb of storms

[honest ivy]

ik i'm saying there's no reason GGG should limit it to one

[patent zinc]

no more ideas for its use, gl with this lol

[timid geyser]

I can imagine of a few balance reason as to why this is the case.

[patent zinc]

actually i'm disappointed with new gems, nothin fun

[honest ivy]

i highl doubt it can break balance anymore than some of the other options that are probably easier to do

[timid geyser]

HFT is one example. and any other projectile that always pierces. That would 100% be extremely unbalanced w/ multiple tornados.

[patent zinc]

hft's dmg falls off at endgame, torando can save it? hmm

worth a test and try

[timid geyser]

Well, not 100% how it works (if at all) with ancestral bond.

I know at the very least it doesn't deal spell damage. Not quite sure about the reflect damage.

[honest ivy]

idk with that low of a reflect % unless it's stupid at level 20 like 50% or so i don't really see it being broken tbh

[patent zinc]

reflect mods with tornado can kill u? lol

[timid geyser]

Reflected damage cannot be reflected. So that portion of the damage won't.

[patent zinc]

maybe 6l tornado and put hft on 4l, could work for smooth hiero levelling

[timid geyser]

it is 5% of damage taken over 2 seconds dealt every .25 seconds for 2 seconds. (both of which can be scaled via duration).

[patent zinc]

but its hft so nobody cares, i think

[timid geyser]

That's the thing though. You can use any projectile, as long it it hits multiple tornados. That is why you are limited to 1

[patent zinc]

ice spear totems are another thing though

but damage will be erratic, totem projectiles may not hit tornado as much as u like in the 2s

[honest ivy]

but at that point why not just break it with one toranado using things like barrage?

[timid geyser]

Yes, but if you have multiple tornados you can do that but multiplied by that amount of tornados.

[honest ivy]

or just limit how many procs each tornado can reflect

[patent zinc]

maybe it will be like absolution, tested and then forgotten mostly

[honest ivy]

^

[lucid stone]

reflect cant aapply ailments right

[timid geyser]

Correct.

[honest ivy]

teh problem with limiting it balance aside is there will almost certainly be other skills that can do it's job better

[timid geyser]

only skill that functions similarly is hydrosphere. If you actually understand how strong hydrosphere is you should understand how strong tornado can be.

[patent zinc]

maybe its for party play, one person cast tornado, the other just spams lightning strike or whatever

new gems are weird mostly

[honest ivy]

hydrosphere retains it's ailment if moved right?

[timid geyser]

Yes.

[honest ivy]

then yes why would you ever use tornado over hydrosphere?

[patent zinc]

dmg u hit tornado with, get scaled by tornado supports?

[timid geyser]

No.

[honest ivy]

it does more consistent damage has more than likely far better AOE than tornado and just turns your physical damage into that elements damage not to mention it applies a flat debuff to all nearby enemies

[timid geyser]

All those things on hydrosphere isn't what makes it good. It is interactions with other skills (ie chain via projectiles, splash via melee, ect.)

[patent zinc]

tornado is for focused ballista hiero?

[honest ivy]

it makes it far better than tornado on a base level

[timid geyser]

Really any build that has projectiles can make use of it.

[patent zinc]

i mean best use of it for dps, its like a dps bank with focused ballista

[timid geyser]

The main thing tornado has over hydrosphere is the damage reflection is basically 10% more damage for literally any single projectile build.

[patent zinc]

ok i think ggg wants to help those guys lugging 2 6ls around, that's why this gem

[timid geyser]

And you know the best part. You can just use both.

[timid geyser]

imo if you are 6L tornado you are either playing a pure tornado build or you are doing it wrong.

Duration support makes sense, Inc AoE, and maybe empower/enchance if those scale it well.

[patent zinc]

u see lots of guys using 2x 6l tornado setups in poeninja

[timid geyser]

huh? Tornado isn't out yet. How could you possibly see that on poe.ninja

[patent zinc]

sry shot i mean lol, confusing naming

[timid geyser]

Not quite sure what that has to do with Tornado skill.

[patent zinc]

TS focused ballista, lots of projectiles flying around, some will hit this new tornado

[timid geyser]

Oh yeah, sure.

[patent zinc]

but idk, i dont play deadeye usually

[haughty oracle]

will you be able to use the mastery of nodes you got by anointment ? that would be huge

[timid geyser]

No.

[haughty oracle]

😦

[violet nymph]

Have they released all node mastery info?

[vernal isle]

when pob?

[vast gazelle]

why not both

[crisp tree]

sharknado >

[haughty oracle]

poor Pob guys, must be a coding nightmare

[young vector]

22 of october

NOW

the new link is meh?

[storm crown]

temporal rift is gonna be so nice

[storm crown]

it has quite strong scaling atm

[desert maple]

DMC movement for monsters and darksouls movement for players when will this ever end? 😄

[untold dragon]

Malachai's vision helmet.. regen 250 es/sec and 35 mana/sec if all equipped items are corrupted. Seems good if all my items are scourged

[timid geyser]

Technically yes, but I'd have a hard to giving up a helm slot for it. You can get a lot of value from the slot.

[untold dragon]

Shadowstitch even better... 80% increased max ES / 60% Max life w/ 10 corrupted items. (would lose 40-60% all res)

https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/Shadowstitch

i didn't even know this was a thing

the wiki suggests there might be a 25% chance to get it from a double corrupt... that can't be right can it?

[vague umbra]

25% chance from corrupting a sacrificial garb an atziri exclusive item

[untold dragon]

looks like just 5c each though

[vague umbra]

2ex for 6l

not really worth corrupting a non 6l

cuz if you do get shadowstitch it will cost a lot to get it 6l

and seeing how scourge is gonna be a thing that price will prolly go up aswell

[untold dragon]

"Item has 6 Sockets and is fully linked (Hidden)" is that not accurate?

[vague umbra]

oh didn't see that one

yeah it autolinks on upgrade then

mb

[lilac saffron]

Shadowstitch should be relatively cheap

[vague umbra]

rn 5-10ex

[untold dragon]

looking at poe ninja there are some people using them now even in SSF

[lilac saffron]

Its just temple price

You can farm for it

Its a 1 in 4

[vague umbra]

true

[lilac saffron]

Might take one day

[vague umbra]

but a lot of people farm double corrupts

so it's hard to buy a temple with double corrupt

[lilac saffron]

Just farm it

[vague umbra]

and it's pure rng to get it in temple

[lilac saffron]

It doesnt take much

[untold dragon]

Well, you'd want to get a few because might need a few tries to get a nice T3 Scourge!

so definitely get alva atlas passives

[vague umbra]

ye

[timid geyser]

Yeah, this is a good use case imo.

[desert maple]

is there a -10% exp penalty on death for the crucible?

[sly smelt]

can be intuitive link + spark/BL as a non/low count aura support be a thing this league? hmm 🤔

[carmine canopy]

honestly I would try shock nova?

[timid geyser]

There is a -10% exp penalty on death everywhere when you die past act 10.

[desert maple]

i mean on the crucible the new baking mechanic of scourge

[carmine canopy]

I don't think they said there is

but I also don't remember them saying there isn't either

[desert maple]

would be weird
since punishing a player for mistakes is "important"

[timid geyser]

In that case I don't think there has been any news/info to clarify that. All I can say is it does say "Exp"

[red wave]

u guys think champion will be good in scourge?

[crisp tree]

champion what

[red wave]

in general

i want to try either it or slayer

[crisp tree]

champion is ok, slayer is better in sc, more damage and speed

[red wave]

i just dont really want a cyclone build

[eager charm]

then dont play cyclone

[crisp slate]

Cyclone is always so tempting. It's such a chill play style. But I'm going projectiles this league. Tornado shot bosser. I just wanna be able to do all content with a fun skill 😎

[proper widget]

champ will be good if ur going an impale build but a little too defensive

[sharp iron]

I don't like Chaos Resistance being on the Mastery stats, since it really isn't a niche stat. Everyone except CI builds benefits from it, even builds without energy shield can die from too low of Chaos Resistance.

I personally think it should be replaced with "Reduced effect of poison on you", thereby making it be a niche stat for self-poisoning builds (or anyone who is really scared of Chaos damage looking for every source of protection they can get)

[next epoch]

It's not as though this is the only way to get chaos res. Or like there aren't plenty of other resistances on the passive tree

[proper widget]

nobody is gonna take reduced effect of poison

plenty of builds want chaos res but cant easily get it, passing up a mastery for it makes sense

[grave depot]

i wonder how much more power other nodes became

but i guess ggg has same question in mind that's why we aren't getting a tree yet 🙂

[dapper wraith]

Did we not get the tree

I thought I saw we did

[carmine verge]

terminus flicker glad seems hella nice with the glad rework

[swift wren]

Pretty sure we only got snippets and any full trees we've seen are people photoshopping it together

Usually they just wait for PoB to update

[fervent hamlet]

tree has not been completely released yet unfortunately

we are still (im)patiently waiting for that to happen

[young vector]

how so?

[random juniper]

Is there a way i could build coc bladefall bladeblast as a leaguestarter

[grave depot]

you need to do it with energy blade, so it's blade-blade-blade

what could go wrong

[wet gull]

How do versatile combatant interact with mistwall?

50/50 or 50/0?

[carmine canopy]

Most likely 50/0

[vast gazelle]

the point of masteries though is utility stuff they don’t want to lock too hard to one location

[desert maple]

so selfcasters are still pure garbage next league it seems
are there even fireball builds that can kill bosses? 😄

[patent zinc]

with tornado and hydrosphere, arc is good for bossing now?

[eager kelp]

have they said anything about when we could expect the patchnotes to be released?

[patent zinc]

wdym? pathofmatth does the feared with fireballs

[desert maple]

ok need to look into that

[normal pollen]

so if you wanna use tornado ... best shot is deadeye for the proj. dmg ?

[crisp tree]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3186390

[desert maple]

can you send me that specific video please?

[patent zinc]

u can search in youtube, he uses that tabula build too often

[desert maple]

is it the fireball miner?

[patent zinc]

ofc

[desert maple]

ah
i've played fireball pyroclast miner with tremor back in 3.9 but its annoying that fireballs fly in all directions

[patent zinc]

tremor rod is bad now, idk why, they said ggg changed some mechanics

[violet nymph]

so, whose going to try and farm that belt?

[desert maple]

since ultimatum or ritual i guess tremor is really bad
the sequences are nerfed i think
i think path of math explains it in his video, if you press the detonate button many times it cancels any sequence it seems

[bleak summit]

i will buy the belt

[desert maple]

just gonnga do headhunter build probably and buy that belt 😄

[violet nymph]

I am sorely tempted to buy it outright, but I don't think I'll be able to afford it for a long, long time, if ever.

Does anyone have a list of all of the combinations that can be used?

flask mod combos, I mean

[patent zinc]

reddit posted one mageblood table

[desert maple]

40% dmg, onslaught, quicksilver, ?

[lost inlet]

Do you guys think internal blow or cyclone will be able to get fast enough clear speed to be able to push the scourge league mechanic?

[red wave]

how do you guys think berserker will be in scourge?

[patent zinc]

general's cry is still strong, untouched

[floral bobcat]

How would something like Voll's Vision, interact with scourge?

I assume, it wouldnt give the life regen due to equiped corrupted items?
But would would Baking(Scourgeing) Voll's Vision make a corrupted Voll's Vision?

[violet nymph]

i mean scourging items corrupts them as usual

[floral bobcat]

When you use a Vaal Orb on Voll's Vision, it makes Malachai's Vision.
I know it's not much, but this may be a way to craft Malachai's without a Vall Orb.

[lofty stump]

anyone know if we get masteries on cluster jewel wheels?

[violet nymph]

i'm going to bet no

[trail vessel]

new shield 3link+5link?

shield charge, faster attacks, fortify

clear skill with faster attacks and fortify bonus

[crisp tree]

umm

[trail vessel]

maybe 3link+5link totem skill

ancestral warchief in 5link and ancestral protector in 3 link

[crisp tree]

7 link?

[lofty stump]

eh, i think they'll have masteries for the large/medium actually

[crisp tree]

great shield for minions

[lofty stump]

it would be 5 passive points min for the large cluster mastery, another 3 min for the medium, and generally you'd probably invest ~25 passive points if you took a minimum sized large jewel, two mediums, and two smalls and 3 masteries

which is way less efficient point-wise than masteries from the tree in general

even with a 1 pt voices it'd be like 16 pts for 3 masteries

on the tree you can typically get masteries from what i've seen at a rate of like 1 per ~3 passives on average (depends on if you skip the start or not though...)

but yea, i dunno, i'd love confirmation

if they don't get masteries it might be big meta shift if masteries are compelling enough....like jewel sockets and clusters not giving masteries might just be worse in many cases

[violet nymph]

I mean, the thing is. you aren't going to chase a ton of masteries.
for example. even as a chaos damage build, the chaos mastery only has 1 mastery i'd want.

[lofty stump]

eh, but you might want ones for ES, or evasion, or spell suppression, or curses, or auras, or resistances/ailments, or attributes, or poisons as well

like let's say you're ED/contagion

and you see the +1 gem levels and the 20% chaos DoT multi and like both of those

maybe a poison mastery reduces chaos resist of poisoned targets

so you drop 3 pts into the spell poison cluster right next to atrophy

etc. etc.

i can really only see taking one chaos mastery if you're death's oath or something a bit strange

most builds probably want either +1 level or 40% conversion, and the DoT multi...withered effect is 1.5% additional damage taken per stack, so an extra ~22% damage taken as well....

they're fairly chase

like what if a curse one says "10% more effect of your curses"

that's like...extremely chase

[violet nymph]

realistically you might only use 10 at most

[lofty stump]

i think we'll see endgame optimized builds with like 10-20 yea, depending on how much they can get from jewels/starting nodes mostly

also the leveling strat will be diff from endgame right

like..

with your chaos DoT build, you probably want to rush method to the madness to get +1 level to chaos skills at level 10 or something

since + levels are so huge while leveling

[sharp valley]

7L arakali fang
6L poet pen, that shield is juicy

[lofty stump]

6L poet is kinda absurd

shield is definitely chase

altho triggered mana costs make 6L poet...harder

i made a diagram to figure out how dead thread of hope is, and the answer is that there are very few arcs around any jewel sockets that contain an interesting number/set of passives

unless the circles are like...bigger than half the passive tree, which they probably? won't be

[frigid saddle]

hi can i get dragonfly wings or is it to late?

[sharp valley]

they said they are readjusting sizes on all related jewels since they dont fit the same way as before

[lofty stump]

right, you can draw circles and check it though, at any circle size there aren't as many interesting sets of reachable notables as before

[sharp valley]

we dont even know what stats they have since some of the stats might been put into masteries like what happened to corruption

both the chaos damage leeched as ES and wither effect is in masteries now

[floral bobcat]

The Twitch Drop thing for the wings, was Noon to 6pm on the 14th.
They may be purchasable through the POE Shop Though?

Yeah, 320 points in the shop.

[desert maple]

ok i thought the inventory in poe is to small but i didnt remember diablo2 having such small inventory 😄

[young vector]

lol 320? not even worth 50

[maiden coral]

Staple price for their wings

[hollow wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420356104355184650/899291848454078494/unknown_1.png

[crisp tree]

[dapper wraith]

is pob updated?

[slender temple]

no

thats just testing image aboev

[hollow wharf]

Passive Mastery API: https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/changelog
PoB Fork Passive Mastery WIP: https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/pull/3292

Pob beta had already implemented fire mastery and works fine.

[slender temple]

great

so just need json

[dapper wraith]

spell with empower and the new shield,

actually quite crazy

F tier to B-S tier

[slender temple]

amp rod 😄

[dapper wraith]

oh true wtf

wait

how is that legal

[slender temple]

its fine

theres even worse stuff im sure

lets see waht people do

[dapper wraith]

ive been trying to make my dogs sing for like 3 leagues

they finally got some bite

[agile karma]

Im going HC conversion trap occultist

[mossy prawn]

Been gone for 1 year+ from playing. Prepping now for the new league.
What tools/etc do I need to get?

Path of Building
Path of Overlay?
there's so much shit - I just don't know where to start.

[crisp tree]

awakened poe trade, lurker

[proper widget]

only things i use is path of building, poe.ninja and poelab

[hollow wharf]

CoE, Wiki, PoEDB, PoeLab

[proper widget]

ye poedb for infos is huge

all the trading tools are so obnoxious i dont bother pricing accurately

[sharp iron]

I think that The Squire will be a very good item for mass-corrupting attempts.

Corrupting it won't mess up your main hand weapon, and shields can yield Gem level implicits

[dry lynx]

The squire and arakaali's fang will be insane

it is more than 100% more damage

[sharp iron]

Why that weapon in specific?

[tidal frost]

you cant move the skill to a 6L like you can with actual skill gems. so its the first time you can put more than 3 supports with it

[sharp iron]

Ah

I forgot that unique items with a skill on one of its modifiers worked that way

[north dragon]

I wonder how rare would the squire be

[slender relic]

Very probably

[hollow wharf]

https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export 3.16.0 updated

[light glade]

The Squire seems incredibly strong with Sign of the Sin-Eater as well.

[wary isle]

The Squire seems incredibly strong
yep

[hollow wharf]

https://poedb.tw/us/Passive_mastery

[ancient zinc]

the squire is extremely interesting, talkin about 12 links yeah?

6-12 links

minion builds gonna love it

[hollow wharf]

typo, refresh page should be fixed

[violet nymph]

United IN dreams got a big buff

Level 25 envy now

Lots of added chaos dmg

[silent canyon]

Is righteous fire bad now?

[violet nymph]

It's as if... minion builds came out on top

From what I guess some are saying. Rf is gonna be strong af

[silent canyon]

I was gonna do that next it sounds fun

Wish it was a league start though

[frank finch]

wow the scourge league rewards are pretty awesome. the wep effect looks good on 2-handed sword, the wings have a nice compacted feel to them, and the pet jesus that big boy is massive.

[ancient zinc]

well did RF get buffed? if not i cant see it being strong

not sure if minions came out on top since some auras got nerfed

what is interesting is that glove where nearby kills count as yours

which means build enabling for some spiders/herald builds , or many flavors of autobombin

[untold dragon]

Masteries are pretty insane. I've almost already forgotten cluster jewels exist.

[violet nymph]

I think they are probably going to neutere clusters eventually

[silent canyon]

As long as i can beat the game with rf

[sharp valley]

cluster jewels should still be min maxing as sometimes getting an extra mastery is too much points

[leaden wraith]

clusters should still end up being really good since there's only so many mastery circles in the tree

[slender temple]

they kind of made a bunch of htem pointless with these notable masteries. or rather the opportunity cost is higher without more investment in the clusters themselves

[wary stratus]

notable masteries are nowhere near powerful enough to render clusters obsolete, hell I'm probably skipping several of mine because none of the options are worth a skill point to me

you'd have to be playing a pretty stacked build for all of your mastery options to be powerful enough that you actually don't care about even a single cluster jewel setup

it's actually a bit bizarre how the relative power level of masteries is all over the place

the best bow mastery option for example is like.. 35% increased damage, if you're using a bow and a totem, that's half the value of a single notable on a medium projectile damage cluster (eye to eye), and it's conditional enough that not every bow build will even be able to use it

[violet nymph]

if that poison concoction works off 3% lol. 3% of 54743 = +1642 base chaos dmg from flask

[wary stratus]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/qaerbj/it_will_be_extremely_easy_to_become_immune_to/hh2xfix/?context=3

[prime wind]

was it specified somewhere if we can or can't stack the same effect of multiple masteries on passive tree ?

[wary stratus]

they explicitly said you can't stack the same option multiple times, you have to pick something different

[prime wind]

ok ty

[violet nymph]

@wary stratusI guess the shotgunning is the only good thing from it then?

[violet nymph]

I mean I guess. Realistically fr can do it better for poison since it has much better base damage potential and shotgun.

fr?

[austere roost]

are masteries stackable?

[sour mountain]

trying to decide if i like Charge Mastery

no, doom, you can only take one copy of each mastery

[violet nymph]

Forbidden rite

[austere whale]

Do we know if the crucible is account or character specific?

Its not character right? Right anakin?

[thick magnet]

well. you have to equip it and its a choice.

prob character

but who knows

[austere whale]

If its character then its gonna be terrible to lose the skill tree every time

[thick magnet]

could be eitherway

[violet nymph]

It's account league wide

[austere whale]

Thank god

[midnight belfry]

Ice shot back on the menu 😳

[past plinth]

Where do you see mastery on POB?

[noble marlin]

You build it from the source from the WIP branch

[leaden wraith]

they said that skilltree is accountwide iirc

[noble marlin]

Nothing known yet

Tbf, cold dot occ will probably be fine

[leaden wraith]

yeah the generic builds will probably be fine

"Cannot be Chilled or Frozen while Casting a Spell" oooh

[noble marlin]

Skill damage got raised so probably

[leaden wraith]

that, and also the build was really strong to begin with so it should still function fine

[noble marlin]

Also, didn't it use es regen speed + regen start speed? IIRC those got buffer a bit as well

[proven latch]

I wonder if Perandus saw the scourge coming (with its phenomal currency power)
Saw a imminent and immense values decrease in wreaclast
And went
"Nope i am out of here"

[patent swan]

minions dead 🦀

[storm wadi]

You can chose 1 mastery from the list in a single cluster right ?

[sour mountain]

si

[young vector]

ha ha, no, muere

[stoic umbra]

Hello, I havent played the big nerf league (not sure which one it was) and up until now, but i want to play Scourge. Im a type of person to play one character/build all league, is there something that is leaguestart-able but can transition fairly well? I honestly have no idea what is and what isnt good after the nerfs. Any recommendations?

Im not sure if patch notes are out yet for Scourge so yeah

[hybrid fog]

patch notes are out

try a necromancer it has some interesting new interactions with the new link skills

rly cheap to gear always the best class

[stoic umbra]

You can link to your minions?

[hybrid fog]

with a mastery

[stoic umbra]

Oh cool

[hybrid fog]

but if they die u die

[stoic umbra]

Btw is Reaper good or bad?

[hybrid fog]

uuuh with enough investment i heard it shreds boss but from experience it's pretty sluggish when clearing

[stoic umbra]

Sad

[hybrid fog]

maybe try reaper with an intuitive link

while clearimg

so it casts some spell to help it clear

reaper shouldnt die anyways so ud be good

[stoic umbra]

Ah, interesting

[hybrid fog]

i had a ton of fun with pure phys skeletons back in blight league i killed u elder and everything

i can vouch for that

[hot quail]

Anyone here who played cast on crit in expedition?

[wary isle]

Played it beforehand, was pretty fun

whats your question?

[outer swallow]

Scourge is 3.15 right?

[pastel mauve]

nope. 3.16

[outer swallow]

Aight, thanks mate

[rotund pine]

how does the mana cost change affect it?

[wary isle]

Well it makes it tougher in the sense that you can't just have all of your mana used to reserve auras now, but it's still really strong

any particular skill(s) you were going to use?

[rotund pine]

is ur trigger rate still pretty fast like 4~5 times/sec?

[mortal yarrow]

CoC is still in a good spot, you just need to invest more into it to avoid the mana increases

[rotund pine]

so i did a kinetic blast/barrage coc discharge back in like, before the discharge visual/sfx remake. but it's still functional after they added cooldown to it, just less satisfying imo. then when 3.15 hit i was like huh, it's finally time to say goodbye forever

if someone can help me bring it back to life i'd be so happy

[lunar charm]

can we reroll an already T3 scourge?

[abstract sable]

nope

[pure mantle]

You get to T3 and that's what you are stuck with. You only get 2 rerolls

[lunar charm]

yeah but T3's are stronger than T1/2 no ? so its another gamble in the end?

[pure mantle]

Yup, but you just can't scourge them again. Best results but you are stuck with them

[lunar charm]

okok thx 😄

[rotund pine]

fk, mjolner trigger dont cost mana?

[crisp tree]

no

[abstract reef]

I have a pretty dumb question, how will mage blood work with Writhing Jar?

[rotund pine]

u mean it doesnt or it does?

[sullen vessel]

the belt itself states magic utility flasks. writhing jar is a unique flask.

[abstract reef]

Ah, my mistake, thank you

[rotund pine]

also i thought the passive mastery list is out?

[crisp tree]

no mana cost using mjolner, for masteries https://poedb.tw/us/Passive_mastery

[abstract sable]

passive mastery just a scam to make you feel better about the new tree

[final prism]

You guys already got the new passive tree ?

[abstract sable]

yeah in the dev version of pob but main one should be coming soon

[final prism]

ok ty

[rotund pine]

cool thx

[rotund pine]

why u need to feel bad about the new tree? but yea i can see nerf coming in next league, maybe even mid-league if someone find out some crazy combo. +3lv to all critical gem is nuts, u only need lv2 awaken to get to lv5

[abstract sable]

but its only crit support gems which everyone says is garbo

[rotund pine]

inc crit chance/multi r all counted right?

[carmine canopy]

yes

As it Controlled Destruction

[rotund pine]

also the awakened version, imagine +3 on awakened gems

[carmine canopy]

and some others, like one of the mine ones

[desert maple]

melee builds be viable again in 3.16?

[kindred dagger]

no

[rotund pine]

lmao wut? why wont viable in 3.15?

also two +3 range on the mastery seems good

[red wave]

yes melee will be viable

[noble marlin]

No one knows yet

[desert maple]

i remember when melee got reworked a little bit in 3.5 or 3.6? (legion i think)
and cyclone slayer was very viable but then because of 1%ers and nolifers melee got nerfed

[barren crescent]

I guess 57% of poe.ninja characters are within 1%ers

[red wave]

^^^^^^^

[rotund pine]

still playable right?

[dusky kernel]

shit so many skill tree tricks are gone

so many jewels moved around

[gritty quartz]

Everyone talking about Scourge League and I'm on console 🙃🙃🙃😭

[glad crest]

Get a pc or laptop

it will be worth the amount of fun u gain from it

[violet nymph]

@dusky kernel don't forget we haven't gotten the radius buff on jewels

[dusky kernel]

i dont know, i think they did already.

[violet nymph]

we haven't

[violet nymph]

no. it's passive trees for atlas

[bold otter]

wow harvest and legion farm is pretty dead

[dusty cove]

shame we dont get another two passives

[tawny cedar]

"Very Viable"

The most meta skill of almost any patch

[cobalt field]

It was like 80% of the ladder wasn't it lol

I remember me playing potcg and my friend playing facebreaker cyclones

Good times

[violet nymph]

I hope this league brings a lot of build variety to the ladders

[frigid shore]

I think it will, a lot has become viable again

I honestly can’t choose what to play

[carmine canopy]

i'm just gonna play cyclone again because I like spinning

[frigid shore]

I’m kinda interested in that but I really want to specialise in doing the Uber juiced blight and 30 wave simulacrum so may not have enough screen clear for the blight or tank for the simulacrum

[oak meteor]

@frigid shore well then i should talk to you about our lord and savior Spooder Knoife

[frigid shore]

But does it tank 🙂

I’ve had my fill of glass cannons the last couple leagues

[oak meteor]

Its about 5.5k life with not so good "rest of items"

But yea i chucked 5 uniques (3 are the new ones) at it

Oh and best part, no clusters, no enchants, no corrupted gear and gems

And no awakened

For bosses the dps drops to 21mln tho

Because double curse not doing work for bosses xD

Oh and i capped chaos res too

Pretty easily

Now i need to let the league start and FARM

[mental drift]

would storm brand work okay in delve?

worried about it not functioning well, like how flicker strike kind of just doesn't function there

[proper widget]

dont you just cast it again on the guys

[mental drift]

you do?

i dont do brands lol its why i ask

[proper widget]

i mean you just cast the brand on the enemy

if you cast it in the dark then its not gonna do aynthing

flicker you cant really target cast it at any point

[mental drift]

my understanding of it is that you cast it on an enemy then ever 0.3 it hops to a new one

so if it hops really far into the darkness then...

just cast a new one?

[proper widget]

its not like it has a cooldown

[mental drift]

so you just spam click it in delve

cool its really all content then

[desert maple]

but also fast clearspeed?

[frigid shore]

Wondering how a 1h+shield cyclone build would go

Generally I liked the 2x1h builds but without dodge I think a block/armour/evasion combo might be tanky enough with the right mitigation’s

Also that +3 to max all res from bottom left clusters is nuts

[errant pebble]

phys minion any good?

[frigid shore]

I used to like ice golems which were phys

[twilit venture]

So is flash breach worth the points after the nerf?

[frigid shore]

Wonder when we are getting the packs in the shop for guilds

Want to get the new tabs for ours

[haughty oracle]

how did they already update PoB Fork for 3.16, where was the list of changes to the skill tree ?

[slender temple]

json file provided by GGG

and the prep happened beforehand cuz ggg provided the new structure

[haughty oracle]

nice

[frigid shore]

PoB code monkeys are the true MVP in PoE. Game wouldn’t be the same without

[slender temple]

well somethign else would popup

right now there is no reason to

[carmine verge]

are you hyped to play the next meta build glad flicker?

[violet nymph]

Is the cyclone build a strong league starter in 3.16?

[glad bloom]

Strongest

[violet nymph]

Oh alright thank you

[frigid shore]

curious how it will go with things like uber blight

[zinc lance]

cyclone can't be the strongest starter lmfao

[noble marlin]

PC is the strongest

[bitter python]

Does the enlighten support work the same way as is used to in scourge?

[violet nymph]

Ah i see thanks!

[violet nymph]

Yes. It's a mana multiplier not rmr

[bitter python]

Thanks

[maiden sluice]

Do you guys think elemental hit ranger will be viable in 3.16?

[rocky nebula]

you can do ele hit with almost any class

it's an item reliant build

[pulsar nexus]

hey there do they add controller support in scourge league?

[crisp tree]

no

[pulsar nexus]

ok than skipping also xD

[crisp tree]

[rocky nebula]

lol, POE is available on console if you wanna play with a controller

[pulsar nexus]

Poe on console is not the same dood but ok

[light adder]

Yeah, cause they had to change skill targeting and whatever else so it´s remotely viable with controller

[pulsar nexus]

the hole economy system sucks on console

[drowsy storm]

Hmm

[slender temple]

Does temporal riftt restore flasks?

[mystic jolt]

No, only life/mana/es/position

[slender temple]

ok thanks

wow flasks transcent time and space huh

i guess they really are somethign other than flasks

[jade path]

Did they release any info about cluster jewel specifics, like reworking dot clusters

[violet nymph]

Will 100% spell suppression be considered 'mandatory' for HC builds?

[prisma charm]

I mean

I’m sure there will be people running builds without it in hc

[grave depot]

i'm not sure suppression is even that good

[abstract pulsar]

i dont remember, have they said if we can scourge jewels?

[violet nymph]

@abstract pulsar no we cant

[abstract pulsar]

also yes, 100% suppression is insanely good. Every spell ever that hits you does half damage. People were bending over backward for old glancing blow which was a similar but less powerful mechanic.

[static token]

If you can get 150% suppression without a real sacrifice do you take Acro to change it to 75% dodge? Losing the consistency seems not worth it.

[soft ibex]

Pretty sure yes, because otherwise you're wasting 50 suppression

[static token]

I'm not saying you have to take the extra 50%. Just presenting the scenario that you could without losing all that much.

[soft ibex]

Going from 100 suppress to 75 dodge basically doubles your spell who. Easily worth it (depending on what you give up for that last 50 dodge)

[verbal crest]

so I know what Chris said about scourge and leveling, but is there any way that scourging while leveling is correct? It seems much easier for the downsides to completely brick the item for your build early levels because of your limited options. You cant get abnormal amounts of crafting mats from it as far as we know, as opposed to other mechanics. Anyone just gonna skip it until maps?

[static token]

Generally you are not scourging items you are using. So bricking isn't really a concern. It's really just you put in an item that isn't better than what you have now, but if it got a lucky result it would be an improvement.

[verbal crest]

right but in order to spin the wheel, you have to stop progressing to fight scourge mobs. Is the time vs that potential reward worth? Thats basically what I am wondering. And obv I know no one knows the actual answer, I was just looking for other opinions, maybe something I am missing.

[static token]

I've always done the league mechanic while leveling. But I don't care about speed. If you do, and you are aiming to be one of the first people to a certain piece of content to make the early money off of it then sure, skip.

[prisma charm]

100% worth it, it’s just a question of when do you do it

[verbal crest]

To be fair, I usually do to. The potential for mats or tabulas early was very good in the last 3 mechanics. I am just struggling to find the value in this one

its obv powerful later but early

I am just unsure

[prisma charm]

Early on while leveling you can still get some good corrupts, and you’ll be leveling up the scourge table deal, but you’ll be killing a lot of enemies and over leveling

I’d say do it every now and then, not necessarily constantly

But also

It can drop scourge currency…

[static token]

Even not getting corrupts they are still dropping loot, if it's to the same degree as past leagues we don't know yet. I'm guessing probably not the shower of rares and uniques of the past.

[verbal crest]

Its probably pretty good for when you have rushed for a bit and need to catch up in levels to stay in the right range. Stop and scourge a few zones, get a few levels and roll the dice on an item I suppose

[prisma charm]

Exactly

Rush forward, do a few to corrupt a new good drop, continue

But have a backup on hand in case you get a + stat req that you can’t handle

That would suck

[verbal crest]

it guess it might be good for craftable stuff as well. Like early wands that you are vendor recipeing. Make 2 for your build and a 3rd to just see what you get on the corrupts

[static token]

Probably check the DB to see the full list of possible scourge results. Then target a specific gear slot for the result that is most impactful for you. Like maybe curse on hit gloves or a specific keystone.

[verbal crest]

oh is there a list out? That I didnt know, that could def point me in the right direction

[static token]

Not yet, usually gets datamind very fast after the patch is up.

[verbal crest]

ah

[static token]

I'll probably be throwing in gloves for a curse early on. Unless I see a better option.

[verbal crest]

ooh, thats a good one I didnt think about

okay, I can kinda see some value here

[violet nymph]

A good corrupt/scourge rare can probably last you 10 or 20 levels depending on how fast you go through the acts

[karmic terrace]

what are people starting this league?

[verbal crest]

ill tell you about 5 mins before league start

[prisma charm]

I can’t decide

Im leaning toward cyclone, because it’s safe and I know I like it

But also I feel like I’m always cyclone

[static token]

I'll probably put ED/Con trick, Gernal's cry zerk, Shield crush raider, Toxic rain raider, and phys traps into a spin the wheel and have it decide for me.

[karmic terrace]

yeah tent i feel the same way about TR raider

[prisma charm]

The last few time I really deviated into things I had never done before, they were hugely successful

Like a MoM hierophant storm brand the league when brands came out, or howa before the big nerf, warcry Earthshatter when it was added,

I was debating on maybe trying EA, or ED contagion

I’ve done ED contagion before, but that was a loooooong time ago

[static token]

ED gear usually starts off somewhat expensive and then gets real cheap as people remember they don't like playing ED/Cont.

[prisma charm]

Yeah the 2 button setup is the worry

That’s why I stopped last time

Lol

And EA worries me because I don’t know how it’s defense layers work, and I’m not the most technical person in terms of avoiding mechanics

So a beefy melee usually works best

[unborn hearth]

any kind of spellslinger viable this league as a starter? 🤔

[prisma charm]

It’s a good skill to get to maps

[static token]

I'm assuming the change to reservation efficiency is a buff to it.

[prisma charm]

Never used one past that

[indigo wolf]

I plan to just wait a week and see what starters shake out in the community

No point in my trying to rush with the first wave of players anyway.

Will probably try cold dot CI if I still can't think of anything

[livid lake]

but league start is most of the fun of the league

[prisma charm]

This’ll be my first league start that wasn’t 6 hours behind

So I get to experience the queues and lag

[static token]

9 new currencies, so where was that clip of Chris saying they promised not to add so many new currencies with each league? That was like a month ago right?

[mortal folio]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22727788

Can I have more currencies pls

[glossy ruin]

There's several streamers talking about eye of winter spellslinger https://youtu.be/1lFY6CORJnw

[mortal folio]

Maybe I can socket them in my scourge device and snort them more efficiently

[bold otter]

aw man they removed the reflect damage taken at 500% value 😭

[primal whale]

For obvious reasons

[lilac saffron]

Cant have fun in pve game

[bold otter]

i know right, just let me abuse the system GGG

[vocal sparrow]

league starts at 24.00 PDT ? That is 9,00 am CET right ? I am european and trying to grasp this. of Friday ofc. Or am I missing smt

[eager terrace]

I think it's either 12 or 13 PDT

yeah 12 PDT, which I think is 21 CET

[vocal sparrow]

of friday

ok ty man idk why i am not calculating htis right

too many hours of poe lately i guess 😄 ty wallach

[stoic sequoia]

I petition we call the new corrupted currencies "krangle bucks"

[tawny plover]

how does energy blade work if I use a claw? Is it like varunastra, am I going to be able to use the claw notables? or is a sword, and would I need sword notables only?

[sharp iron]

Guys, we only know what 4 out of 9 of the tainted orbs are so far.

I think they're going to add Tainted Whetstones and Armourour's scraps to let us finally modify currency on corrupted items.

[next epoch]

Tainted Eternal Orb

[carmine canopy]

Tainted Winter Orb

[eager terrace]

tainted engineers orb, causes strongbox to smell bad

[sonic jewel]

Tainted Taint?

[next epoch]

none of the above: https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/1450631076259373057

Path of Exile (@pathofexile)

😮

Twitter · Oct 20, 2021, 1:12 AM

[sonic jewel]

go home GGG, you're drunk

[primal whale]

"We understand that people didnt like the 20 different currencies in Expedition"

• We read your feedback, also here's 20 new Orbs.

[sonic jewel]

only if they keep them core heading into next leagues

kinda don't mind for scourge

[primal whale]

Also buy the Scourge Stash tab for 10$

[sonic jewel]

maybe they do like expedition locker

[hoary snow]

So, what, you use that on random corrupted belts you come across and hope for something good?

[primal whale]

Sure if you get one after playing for 2000h this league

[sonic jewel]

seems good. leaves 160 hours for sleep, just enough

[fluid condor]

what should I leaguestart as

[violet nymph]

idk

I'm going assassin

[past plinth]

Is there a list of all scourge corrupts?

[dry heart]

I think I am gonna do either Flicker Raider or Lightning strike Slayer. . haven't figured out which one yet. . but I like both. I am particular about flicker as I have played that for 6 years. . .

[neat rover]

this league very sus

[dry heart]

with the QoL changes, and the atlas rework, I was sold on this league. The league mechanics may be shit, but I think this is a step in the right direction fixing the problems with PoE

[manic goblet]

what in the hell is that orb

heavy belts in vendors on suicide watch

vaal orb prices through the roof this league

[dry heart]

at least fragments stack finally. . .

[finite zinc]

Would you have time to give me tips on how to do a flicker strike build? Wanted to play with energy blade somehow.

[tidal tangle]

can someone tell me what outfit the witch is wearing while demoing the scourge weapon skin?

because I kind of want that.

is it just normal gear? I see the boots and gloves but don't recognise the body

[slender temple]

shavs

Shavronne's Wrappings

[last axle]

9 currencies not 40

[slender temple]

9 tainted sure but there's still others

[alpine latch]

anyone got an active guild for scourge league?

[pastel mauve]

#poe1-recruiting-guilds-archive

[storm crown]

More juiced content sign me up sound like fun, probly lot of overtuned nightmare monsters 😆

[fair prairie]

So, I figure this is a big nope. But....is it possible that Iron Mass and Energy Blade could have a interaction with eachother?

i just ask because the wording says it transforms the weapon. So I'm curious if the minions would end up using your energy blade.

[stoic umbra]

Anyone got a PoB for a viable 3.16 bleed bow glad?

Feel free to @ me if yes

[crisp depot]

Wonder if the gems come out today

[distant hearth]

do we have the energy blade gem info?

[mortal yarrow]

we got the lvl 1 gem info

[distant hearth]

Where can I find that?

I think I'll try to build around it, looks fun and damage should scale with defence (ES)

[mortal yarrow]

i wouldnt recommend making a pob around it until you get the full gem info

[crisp depot]

Think I'll do TR Deadeye

or AB Elementalist

[violet nymph]

I've never played a chaos slinger. I've played EDC though when it first came out. Kinda interested in hexblast.

[ancient zinc]

intuitive link is gonna make animated weapons much easier to play, binding it to an animated guardian and what not

[rare rose]

I'm losing my mind with pre-release info overload... I thought I saw something in the last day or two that cancelled incoming DoT damage when it hits a certain threshold or something. Was that real or did I imagine that? Can't find it again.

[eager terrace]

there are a couple new DoT related defense mechanics

lethe shade is a new keystone that makes you take half damage in the first second of DoTs

trickster also blocks all DoT damage every 5 out of 10 seconds

[rare rose]

yeah, wasn't one of those.. must have been imagining it, thanks

or it might have been some old unused unique I was looking at

[white finch]

What's the best starter u think? Bane occultist?

[rotund pine]

first i was thinking TR champ, then poisonous conc, but now im dead set on bane occy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5LArH94st4

[vast gazelle]

@rotund pine id warn you - bane is looking gigalow dps right now

[rotund pine]

plz tell me which one is better

[vast gazelle]

of those 3?

tr champ by a mile

[rotund pine]

do u have a pob that has no cluster nothing ticked no any bs?

[vast gazelle]

pls hold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ1oKC16ddU

pick the medium-low pob

and then u can turn off the cluster and shit

[rotund pine]

yea, after i turn everything off it's like this

[vast gazelle]

sec

[rotund pine]

still 6L with +2 bow

[vast gazelle]

you might be turning off too much

most of the gear is reasonable

[rotund pine]

i just turn off like every unique and tuned down the overlapping pods

[vast gazelle]

yeah you dont do the latter

[rotund pine]

can u provide a pob for your "reasonable version"?

[vast gazelle]

sure

tr mechanics mean u will always have overlapping pods if the skill is functioning at all

sec

[rotund pine]

ok

[vast gazelle]

https://pastebin.com/ASdra2y7

!pob https://pastebin.com/ASdra2y7

[rigid lake]

Toxic Rain - Champion (Lvl: 96) by: She who is your King

Defenses

Life: 5,029 (144%) | Reg: 258/s (5.1%)
Net Regen: 77/s
Mana: 158/692 (0%) | Reg: 12/s (1.7%)
Resistances: :skull: 61

Secondary Defense

Secondary: Armour: 5,338 | Evasion: 44,656
Attributes: Str: 133 Int: 164 Dex: 335

Full DPS

Combined DPS: 1,183,877
Crit: Chance 5.04%, Multiplier: 150%
Hit Chance: 84.00% Sources: Toxic Rain × 1, Toxic Rain × 5

Skill

Toxic Rain (21/20%) + Efficacy (20/20%) + Void Manipulation (20/20%) + Vicious Projectiles (20/20%)

Configuration

Player: Fortify, Flasked, Leeching
Enemy: Wither Stacks: 15, Hindered, Boss: Sirus
Playerrecently: Taunted Enemy, Killed

Info:

Pastebin | Web Tree | Web PoB
Created in Path of Building.

[vast gazelle]

since tr is based around scaling overlapping areas

its about 1m dps if you go to a 4link on the ballista setup

since ballista is another copy of tr for qol and withering

[rotund pine]

nice ty a lot

[vast gazelle]

very reasonable and the pob shows you items you can upgrade and ways to scale

np

u wont be gigafast because no qotf but quill rain is probably your first unique

[rotund pine]

i tried tr once and it was pretty smooth but it just feel not impact enough

[vast gazelle]

so cheap and very good for u

yeah its very low feeling

just sprinkle green water till things die

but its effective

i recommend selfcast forbidden rite occ

personally

if u want an op starter

[rotund pine]

if bane feels really bad i'll consider do another tr

ty again for the pob

[vast gazelle]

sure

yw

[oak hearth]

????????????????????????

this was not in the trailer right ?

[rotund pine]

nop

[patent saddle]

viable for new league? https://pastebin.com/6Y3gstGp

[rotund pine]

!pob https://pastebin.com/6Y3gstGp

[rigid lake]

Seismic Trap - Saboteur (Lvl: 91) by: SnowTV

Defenses

Life: 4,453 (156%) | Reg: 22/s (0.5%)
Mana: 421/920 (28%) | Reg: 21/s (2.3%)

Secondary Defense

Secondary: Dodge: 46% | Spell Dodge: 36%
Attributes: Str: 125 Int: 183 Dex: 309
Keystones: Phase Acrobatics, Wind Dancer, Acrobatics

Average Damage

AVG: 172,937
Crit: Chance 64.34%, Multiplier: 554%

Skill

Seismic Trap + Trap and Mine Damage + Brutality + Increased Critical Strikes + Increased Critical Damage + Advanced Traps

Info:

Pastebin | Web Tree | Web PoB
Created in Path of Building.

[rotund pine]

i think seismic trap sab is mentioned a lot

[fallen lark]

I'm a new player and I heard that a shield crush build was a good option for newbies, is this true and how powerful is it for mobbing and bosses?

[rotund pine]

not amazing but playable

tbh i dont know any starter build that will play amazing this league kekw

[fallen lark]

I'm personally looking for a good build to play that is also really good in endgame because even though im a starter, I want to play end game too

[rotund pine]

most people play a starter build, get some money, then play another build that's less starter friendly but has better scaling with gear etc.

i think toxic rain would be good for both starter and endgame

as long as u dont mind the less impactful playstyle

[fallen lark]

Nah its fine, I just want to get to endgame and be good and not die omegalol

[fallen lark]

Is there a specific build you recomend for toxic rain or can i just use any of the ones online

[rotund pine]

not sure about raider, but if occy bane fails me, my backup is champ tr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ6IsfeB5xM

he has another video with pob

but it's not super "clean"

@vast gazelle this nice dude gave a cleaner pob

#1┃mirage-league message

[fallen lark]

which code is it

which link i mean, she has 4 links there

nvm i got it

[rotund pine]

yea it's all same link kekw

[fallen lark]

Btw what is the max level in poe bc this build says it goes up to 96 but all the other builds that i got on pob go up to 95

[devout osprey]

100. people dont expect you to reach lvl 100

[fallen lark]

k thanks, I'll defefnily try out this TR champion build and Ill see how it goes from there when the new league comes out

[vast gazelle]

pog

am not dude xD

but il take it

[fallen lark]

btw i have been trying to speedrun the game in standard league trying to get ready for the new one and act 1 always takes me a long time because the skill gems for my builds are not available until act 2

And I try skipping all the mobs but the bosses give me a hard time if i'm underleveled

[vast gazelle]

generally you should kill enough mobs to keep your flasks up esp after quicksilver

and this will prevent you from being underlevelled too mcuh

[fallen lark]

yeah, I also think I use the wrong skills, I was doing a run and in act 1 I was using cleave as my main skill but I just saw a video where the guy uses splitting steel and he does way more damage then me

[lime torrent]

Are there any cool new melee skills added/reworked in the last year except boneshatter?

[vast gazelle]

yeah splitting steel is a solid a1 skill

[prisma charm]

Can you transform already corrupted items, like if it dropped corrupt

[carmine canopy]

yes

[prisma charm]

Interesting

Wonder if there will be vendor recipes to obtain tormented currency, like transforming a linked rbg and then vendoring

[rotund pine]

maybe?

[lilac saffron]

No

[crimson basin]

If its at scourge 3 can you repeat ?

In case I get deal no fire

On chieftain

[lilac saffron]

I dont think so

But maybe there will be an upgrade to deal with that

[crimson basin]

Gogxha

[grizzled spoke]

Someone mentioned earlier Bane Occu was looking like it would have really low dps, why is that?

Was enticed by Subtractems build guide, but im not 100% convinced lol

[carmine canopy]

less than two days before I disappear from my fiancee's life for a week

[distant hearth]

Priorities I see

[carmine canopy]

we both play a lot of video games so it happens every so often

[proper lance]

Does anyone know what armors sets/mtx are shown in the new scourge trailer ? https://youtu.be/bNx68r2TzRY?t=29 from 0:29 and...basically the first 3 that are shown ?

[wind totem]

You lucky bastard

[sharp iron]

These quality items were a long time coming

Glad they're finally in the game

[prisma charm]

The tainted currency is just so odd

In an interesting way

[bitter knoll]

Hey guys, is there a scourge arrow build updated with new tree ?

[sharp iron]

Most are just a chance to salvage a corrupted item, or instantly ruin it. Even if it doesn't destroy it or erase the mods, you probably won't keep spamming Tainted Fusings or Jewelers in the vain hope of eventually getting it to max links if the first attempt doesn't work.

[prisma charm]

Well, it will depend on how… common the currency is in the end

As far as whether you’ll be able to realistically do any real rolling

[fallen lark]

Hey, im going to use this build for the new league but I have one question. In the skills area, it has toxic rain skill on the sword and and the chestpiece, does having the same gem skill stack if their on different pieces and if not what is the point of doing so?

[blissful onyx]

Is there gonna be a league mechanic to shit out currency?

[vast gazelle]

he has the ballista version for withering touch

which will work with the self version

[slender temple]

just spam the current league mechanic . its usually a good bet

[violet nymph]

sell everything

buy doctors

harvest gamble

quit league

[rocky nebula]

lmao, ignite builds getting gutted

why?

[lilac saffron]

ignite too strong

could deal 600k pob dps min maxed

[slender temple]

that sounds fun

[proper widget]

wdym gutted

[lucid stone]

So what's the verdict on Energy Blade? Dead?

[lucid token]

starter ? budget? easy early mapping?

[violet nymph]

needs good money to make it work. but not dead

[lucid stone]

I want to leaguestart using it for an ignite build

[violet nymph]

it needs good money. not just like 5-10ex

[lucid stone]

Is it gonna be horrible to play as SSF leaguestarter to get to maps?

[tender tusk]

why would you use energy blade for ignite?

it's a 1.7aps weapon

[lucid stone]

Cause I thought I could get a lot of flat on it. Also, large damage range

[violet nymph]

i'd say yes it's awful for ssf

[proper widget]

ES got buffed so hybrid leveling should be fine

[violet nymph]

you need 1k es for 200 flat

[proper widget]

whether or not it gives you enough damage for the cut in survivability depends, i think if you're running some of the different keystones for hybrid es it might be fine

[violet nymph]

well actually. it's 1k for 170 edps

[proper widget]

ghost shrouds or divine shield don't need a ton of es to be impactful

[tender tusk]

what supports can you even use on energy blade besides empower?

[barren crescent]

E

[slender temple]

enhance probably

[tender tusk]

surely you just use a voideye then

[vague zealot]

Any neat poisonous concotion builds floating around?

[violet nymph]

ok, guys, what is your starter?

[proper widget]

occultist summoner

[ionic sleet]

So I watched a 3,16 league starter (Soulrend? Something that's wiggly and multiple projectiles DOT) build video within the past week, at least few days ago and I can't seem to find it. The guy in the video was showing it off in a T16 map with cheap gear and 2 link with the main skill. Anyone know what video I'm talking about? :|

[bitter ledge]

Seismic trap.

They’ve actually buffed the Hasty Reconstruction nodes from 14% cooldown to 50%

[violet nymph]

Hit Arma brand. heist spamming go brrr

[noble marlin]

PC PF, if that turns out to be shit (which I'll probably know since I'm only starting 12 hours after the official start) then I'll roll phys trap

[lucid token]

so its out tomorrow?

or is it already out

today

[austere whale]

league mechanic feels like itll be very bad in the campaign cos it ports you back :/

[noble marlin]

34 hours

[noble marlin]

I don't think it teleports you back?

[austere whale]

it does, it puts you back to where you entered

so you dont have to backtrack in maps

unless its specifically different in campaign

[noble marlin]

I guess I missed that then

[austere whale]

but on the other hand its gonna be kinda good to do to level up the crucible, but I feel like itll slow me down a lot

[noble marlin]

Generally it's not really worth to do it while leveling

But I don't care, I'll do anyways

Not doing trade/try hard early anyways

[austere whale]

delirium is still the best campaign league we've had

😦

[proper widget]

theres places in campaign where u wanna port back

would be cool if u could run it from checkpoint to checkpoint

[violet nymph]

is it now worth the fire trap?

[violet nymph]

tfw you can't math

1000ES will net you a 422.45 elemental dps 1h sword, which isn't too bad

with the level 20 energy blade gem

honestly it's not too bad at lower investment

assuming you can somehow do anything with a 422 dps sword with no other mods lol

0 energy shield will give you a 210 ele dps sword

[noble marlin]

Thing about EB is, it's not bad but you can probably get more damage (or survivability) investing the points somewhere else

[warm lodge]

Anybody know what the latest word on hard mode was?

[lime torrent]

Is spectral helix a decentish skill to use?

Didnt play it yet, and considering to start out with it in scourge

[paper flare]

megathread says there was a rough estimate of 6 weeks into scourge that it would come out

[austere anvil]

h

[coarse dagger]

Why so much hype for scourge league? I'm not planning on making a new character. Doesn't all characters get effected by the changes?
It's not like they're adding to the story right? That would be the only reason I'd start over

[wooden zephyr]

Most ppl start fresh in leagues

For various reasons

And the mechanic looks fun

[coarse dagger]

I play for the story. Oh well. As far as I can tell, the mechanics are slightly different . Not enough to peak my interest.

[bright kindle]

Is there a time release for next league?

[crisp tree]

pathofexile.com

[amber temple]

Story in an ARPG? What is that?

[crisp tree]

L re

[mortal yarrow]

wdym, we have lore

like uhh

the beast

[light adder]

We only know we get that one new npc that gives us the krangle device, how much actual new lore there´ll be..no one knows beforehand. Probably not so much new stuff like expedition got.

[indigo wolf]

League is where all the "new" story is too...

Excepting huge expansions like conquerors of the atlas, which are at best 1 a year

[white hill]

Please don't discuss any type of RMT on this server @patent saddle

[wintry otter]

Any idea if we can support EB with the likes of Added Lightning or Controlled Destruction or smth? Considering it's got Spell and Lightning tags

[livid lake]

@patent saddleIf the Bot wasn't clear enough, the question you asked is directly against PoE ToS so the answer is a very clear No it's not allowed.

[noble marlin]

No idea

[tawny pawn]

So since I have no intelligence to decide this, any opinions about my possible league starters?

[lucid stone]

Are you able to change only one of your weapons if dual wielding with energy blade?

Like, cast energy blade, then equip another weapon in your off hand...does that work?

[static token]

I don't think we know 100% but just from reading I would say no you can't.

[lucid stone]

Wasn't there supposed to be an 'attack-based mechanic for ignite builds'

I was excited about that. Where is it?

[static token]

They said they were going to look into an attack version in the future.

[full moth]

Deadeye for giga dam, Bane for all rounder, golemancer starts of really slow, I wouldn't do spectral throw, it just does not have enough dps for the current endgame.

[tawny pawn]

My problem with the Deadeye is that last league I went for a popular build and everything was super expensive, and I ended losing momentum

[normal pollen]

Energy Blade Lancing Steel Pog

[stoic umbra]

When will the patch be up for download on steam?

[patent saddle]

i think a bit b4 launch

[static token]

Usually shortly after they take the servers down tomorrow.

[stoic umbra]

Okay, thanks

[tulip oar]

Is Cyclone still a thing? Any recommended builds guys ? 😉

[rotund pine]

toxic rain champ, bane occultist

[tawny pawn]

is the champ thing just because tankiness? Remi guide for deadeye says that it's tanky but the damage is not on par

[oak meteor]

Toxic rain champ is more tanky so better for surviving and you can still get like 4-8mln dps

[crisp tree]

yeah, cyclone pure phys or for endgame cyclone fire using a staff, check forums

poebuilds.cc

[crude scarab]

The tornado shot poison builds look pretty sweet - I like mass clear a bit more than bossing, I did A8 sirus on a 1m dps ED/C a few leagues ago for instance. Any issues people see with either the occy or radier versions that have guides that came out in the last day or two

[valid flax]

Can i have a POB for that build please sir?

[crude scarab]

Busy for work, can't go grab it. Both a raider and a occultust version are on reddit/r/pathofexilebuilds

[dry tree]

Yo guys, do you know when the torrent for scourge league will be released ?

[distant hearth]

Apparently, Usually shortly after they take the servers down tomorrow.

[wintry otter]

Yea it's usually between 3-6h before patching finishes

[grim folio]

So... now that every content creator is making click-baity videos telling us that every single build is the strongest build of the league and best league starter.

We're on our own to find something interesting it would seem 😦

[patent saddle]

do seismic mine 🥰

[jade lodge]

Does necro skele work as a league starter

[wintry otter]

Minions in general work decently as starters, limited mostly by gem level 🤷‍♂️

[coarse pawn]

Any recommendations for league starter?

[rotund pine]

toxic rain champ/bane occultist

[patent saddle]

all traps

[calm kraken]

What's the best kay's summoner build for SSF SC?

[prisma charm]

What do you want out of your starter

Think I’m goin with slayer cyclone this league

Impale

[tawny pawn]

I think ziz video convinced me to go TR Champion

bane occy seems weird

[lucid stone]

Can you use weapon mtx on energy blade

[frail kestrel]

Is Arc still a good build?

[storm brook]

As a trash player I have a stupid question: How likely will a Death Aura Starter Build for 3.16 release until tomorrow?

[craggy plank]

The league pet is literarily a floppy vagina

[violet nymph]

anyone got any suggestions for league starters that is cheap and easy to gear but can do all content :/

[tawny pasture]

bad

[tawny pasture]

check zizaran channel

[violet nymph]

i did. i was looking at the toxic rain champ however ive seen so many videos about it so its going to be stupidly expensive :/

[tawny pasture]

nop

that the beauty of TR

it cost nothing early to clear everything

will get expensive on min-maxing and when you will want to do the true endgame content

[violet nymph]

i doubt it can clear everything since sirus and conqs and shit

[tawny pasture]

but if you ask for guide advice , you are not likely to reach that

[violet nymph]

wdym?

[tawny pasture]

if you cant figure what build to choose on your own and need a cheap build , your are not likely to do endgame content

since you normaly need some decent gear for it

sirus tho is more about dodge

someone killed him on default attack , so any skill can clear it

and tr will be good if you know how sirus work

[violet nymph]

quite honestly, all im looking for is a build i can start on nothing, and as i get money invest into it

[static token]

Ya, that's TR

[violet nymph]

but ideally i want quick clear and good-decent bossing

[tawny pasture]

TR again

[violet nymph]

but theres so many different versions

idk what the difference is :c

[static token]

Then go to #1┃build-planning and you can ask

[tawny pasture]

champion is tanky , raider is fast , deadeye is dps

but all 3 can achieve the same thing

[mortal yarrow]

Deadeye has 6 defensive layers

6 portals

[violet nymph]

from that logic champion would be "best" since better survival than the other 2?

right? or

[tawny pasture]

but dont expect to reach hard content with 1 chaos gear and be godly

[mortal yarrow]

Depends

[tawny pasture]

its depend on how you want to play

[mortal yarrow]

Champion for hc

Raider for sc

[tawny pasture]

i played raidser when the meta was Deadeye

i did all content on raider

[mortal yarrow]

Deadeye for glass cannon

[tawny pasture]

i had 1/5 the dps of dead eye

still killed sirus 9

[static token]

Being fast can be the best survivability of all. If you are good enough to run out of the danger and not into it.

[violet nymph]

glass cannon? but remi's deadeye was ungodly tanky?

[tawny pasture]

remi ungodly tanky wasnt cheap tho

[violet nymph]

i mean yeah ik but i used it as an example

[mortal yarrow]

Yes but its still glass cannon if you dont know how to utilize it

[tawny pasture]

and we had 2 patch since

[violet nymph]

since that was deadeye

[static token]

Honestly don't pick your build on what people can do with mirror gear and far more skills than you.

[violet nymph]

Does any form of sirus even have a hard dps check?

[mortal yarrow]

Well no

[violet nymph]

It's all a scripted fight, follow the motions as phases change

[mortal yarrow]

Only thing is the permanent stuff on the ground from everlasting fire

Thats about it

[violet nymph]

Is there any content with an enrage mechanic or auto death at x minutes?

[mortal yarrow]

No

[violet nymph]

Like, mmo style hard checks

[tawny pasture]

that the mistake people do about sirus , even chimera can be harder than sirus

[violet nymph]

i wasnt planning to tbh, i just dont want a squishy build, but i also wanna be able to clear all content :/

Chim is pretty annoying

[mortal yarrow]

Hard checks is unhealthy imo

[tawny pasture]

TR again

[violet nymph]

Hell yeah

[mortal yarrow]

All content is way too broad my man

[violet nymph]

by all content, i mean literally all content

[tawny pasture]

youwanted to play TR , just do it

[mortal yarrow]

Be ready to invest a lot into the builds then

[tawny pasture]

there is not a single build that can do all content

[mortal yarrow]

No build can do all content without mirror in the build

[static token]

Ya, sounds like you want a build that does all the tank, all the damage, with no investment, and nobody else is playing it so gear is cheap. That doesn't exist.

[violet nymph]

If TR is anything like caustic arrow was at its release and several patches later, just the +2 bow is needed to do pretty much everything. And since it's a very popular build, several non 6xt1 bows will be available

[violet nymph]

why?

[tawny pasture]

and like i said , if you cant figure yourself a build , i doubt you are able to do all content

[mortal yarrow]

Dps check

[tawny pasture]

like not all build can go deep delve

[violet nymph]

tbh if i knew how to make money it would be alot easier to pick a build :c

[tawny pasture]

deep delve is a type of content

[violet nymph]

I'll probably be playing TR flavor, sounds comfy

[tawny pasture]

to make currency its simple

[mortal yarrow]

Easy league starter is tr

[tawny pasture]

more play , less time in hideout

[violet nymph]

Deep delve is insane

[mortal yarrow]

If you are scared you'll die a lot you can go champion

There's a guide for both champion and deadeye

[tawny pasture]

you are overthinking this

[mortal yarrow]

Or well "guide"

[violet nymph]

Dying doesn't matter until 90s. Then it'd super annoying

[tawny pasture]

94+ is annoying

[violet nymph]

Big agree

[tawny pasture]

even at 90 is easy

[mortal yarrow]

Dying matters if you play hc

[static token]

I really hope he's not trying to play HC

[violet nymph]

me?

[tawny pasture]

yeah

[violet nymph]

You've got preleague anxiety

[mortal yarrow]

Honestly ask yourself this chaos

Ranged or melee

And work from there

[violet nymph]

i mean yeah thats kinda the downside of ungodly adhd which comes with paranoia and anxiety

It's gonna be alright bro, we're all gonna make it

[violet nymph]

did that a few days ago lol