We did it bois.
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deft girder
queen arrow
HOLY SHIT SEVEN LEAGUE STEP IN CORE POOL
rose atlas
Hah, I mean if you wanna be a bro and pastebin then people will like you
queen arrow
WHOSE READY TO START EVERY LEAGUE WITH FUNNY SPEEDBOOTS?
deft girder
Onlyleaks where people charge for game leaks.
indigo wolf
Hey, it works for genshin
queen arrow
Mmmm, ascendasies changes
slender temple
Question -> timeless jewel changing notable -> special ilist of mastery for timeless jewel notables?
or original one?
Also. will we get the JSON file?
soon
queen arrow
Huh, breach unique changes
skin of lords +2 is nice
also keystones added to pool, epic
Holy shit, the capped lightning resist has been changed back to uncapped (comes with -30% Lresit now)
frank ibex
This seems.. nice.
queen arrow
Spell cast loop.
pledge of hands restricted to allurying abyss atziri, sad...
but at the same time, nice
burnt finch
Wasn't target farmable before, right?
terse girder
is there somewhere we can see the new passive tree?
indigo iron
pledge of hands restricted to allurying abyss atziri, sad...
niiice
queen arrow
Finally
indigo iron
is there somewhere we can see the new passive tree?
afaict, no, no way, we have to pray to the Toucan for PoB update
lyric ore
btw if yall have difficulty reading hte patch notes, u can use the broswer inspector to add a margin to the paragraphs
terse girder
sadge
queen arrow
veil hunting time cut down immensaly
deft girder
Kek I predicted they would unnerf it.
queen arrow
Oh, forbbiden shako replica removed... and it replaces the standard version
tender geyser
Add new clusters for Spell Block, Spell Suppression, Life Regeneration, Life Leech, Life on Hit, Life on Kill, Life Recoup, Energy Shield Recharge, Ailment Mitigation for every Ailment type, Curse Mitigation, Stun Mitigation, Life and Mana Flasks.
Stun mitigation and curse mitigation on tree pog
queen arrow
So standard Forbidden Shako is gone, replaced by replica
tender geyser
Spread out Keystones throughout the tree, moving some to more appropriate locations.
OH NO
burnt finch
Rare Monsters in Breach Domains now drop an additional Reward Type, with Rare Monsters in Flawless Breach Domains dropping two additional Reward Types.
This is neat :3
fiery tartan
What will be a good league starting build for this new league?
burnt finch
I think people will need some time to figure out how to properly use the new tree. Ask in a bit 😛
Okay nevermind. No changes to Hexblast, so let's go
deft girder
Oh no no no
fiery tartan
Toxic Rain reigns soup preem once more
tender geyser
omg CRY WOLF is in the tree masteries, so you can now just take it always on berserker for free rage generation
Move these stats to Masteries on the Passive Skill Tree, while providing compensation to the Notables that lost these stats.
Cry Wolf: No longer has “Warcries have a minimum of 10 Power”, it now has 20% increased Total Power Counted from Warcries, and Exerted Attacks deal 30% increased Damage (previously 25%).
queen arrow
golems have +1% life regen base, epic (stone goes to 2%)
tender geyser
also big for some enduring cry generation
deft girder
Mines and trap got a nice buff. 2 sec innate immunity.
The mastery gives perma immunity.
tender geyser
The mastery gives perma immunity.
I know you would take those nodes usually anyway but it kinda felt weird that you HAVE to take em
fiery tartan
Delicious
indigo wolf
Immunity to what, damage so they aren't killed before they trigger?
tender geyser
Immunity to what, damage so they aren't killed before they trigger?
yep, it used to be on a notable
Patient Reaper: Now grants 50% increased Recovery Rate of Life, Mana and Energy Shield if you've Killed an Enemy affected by your Damage Over Time Recently (previously 70%)
Added a new notable, which replaces Ghost Dance, that provides "Every 10 seconds, take no Damage over Time for 5 seconds." trickster rf is really good now right?
deft girder
One for me.
I never notice it before when increase aoe was the meta. With reduced aoe, it quickly become an issues, even with alot of projectile speed.
toxic flame
did the twitch live stream happen already?
crisp tree
yep
toxic flame
ah ok
fiery tartan
Where can we find the livestream if we haven't watched it?
spark ibex
RIP Replica Forbidden Shaco
queen arrow
RIP Replica Forbidden Shaco
Rip but not rip
spark ibex
Rip heist farming it
queen arrow
That is very rip
spark ibex
Although ig you can target farm it through blossoms now slightly easier
queen arrow
You can indeed
vital grove
Sad Tempest Shield is still locked to just shields. Considering that the passive tree also has DW and staff spesific Block nodes. #howtolimitbuilddiversity
queen arrow
voice/choir of the storm having uncapped again is so nice
slender temple
JSON file please k thanks
violet nymph
Operative spectres have been nerfed
Shield skills have had their damage nerfed also
this league is nuts
deft girder
Sad Tempest Shield is still locked to just shields. Considering that the passive...
No buff to rearguard to make it work with tempest shield. 😔
unkempt pecan
Yo, they're finally removing old content from the new leagues?
slender temple
so perandus who i 100% skip anyways is gone ok i guess :p
queen arrow
Yep, perandus is gone
slender temple
please remove expedition too
unkempt pecan
I'm just glad this sets a base for doing more removes in the future.
This is so good, damn. Game's been too loaded on content for years.
Really scares off new players, and even I don't follow everything, after playing for nearly 1000 hours.
(Which isn't that much compared to some of you, I know, but I think it's still a large time investment in a game.)
vital grove
Shame... As it would have been interesting to try out
deft girder
70 higher base for TR with awakened void manipulation. 
clear tapir
Do you know if they changed anything about damage over time compared to the manifesto part 3 ?
I have the feeling that they did not improve any of the numbers ?
violet nymph
something people aren't really noticing is just how many passive points are being saved by changes to pathing
for instance, look at this spot right here. if you want endurance charges and you're going on the top path there, it's 3 points for both an endurance charge and a jewel
and the same applies to all the hybrid charge areas
pure charge areas are unchanged obviously
there used to be attribute nodes here as well, which is more saved pathing
ocean umbra
Will we get the updated passive tree somewhere before 3.16 launch?
violet nymph
good question. usually the tree data is released a couple days before league start
but pob might take more time to develop with the mastery thing
so it might be a few days before we actually get it
ocean umbra
They won't update the web site before the servers go down for the patch, so that's kind of a bummer
We're going in blind most likely
magic jackal
Just finished watching the live reveal, damn this is a spicy league
Disappointed with the skill announcements as a solo player, but, oh well, rest is just insane
magic jackal
Ele hit with the new energy blade? 😄
violet nymph
the new tree might be one of the coolest things they've ever done
fringe umbra
True
violet nymph
i think on average based on the changes players will save anywhere between 2-6 passives
magic jackal
Yeah, it unlocks an innumerable amount of builds
magic jackal
i think on average based on the changes players will save anywhere between 2-6 p...
I think it could be far more than that
violet nymph
they removed these intelligence nodes too which is sick
magic jackal
I gotta figure out what to pair with that new energy buff as it's the only new skill I'll try...wonder if ele flicker strike would be fun to do again
violet nymph
i wanna see shadow area
which is the only place we don't know yet
we're missing this whole area
practically the entire rest of the tree is visible
brand builds are gonna be pretty happy to know that their main keystone runebinder is only 6 nodes away from templar start
if they wanna go hiero
ocean umbra
do arma gamers go chief?
violet nymph
depends on the new nodes and mastery
ocean umbra
that's investment, the point was to go cremation arma with life res gear and beat the game with 0 damage mods
that's pretty much impossible now because you're -30% damage from the get go
quartz echo
Trickster is dead to me. Witch start confirmed.
ocean umbra
yeah trickster and defensive glad bois are in a BIG YIKES situation
violet nymph
lots of people are saying block glad is broken lol
and honestly the new trickster node is pretty sick
half-uptime immunity to dot is great for recharge builds
quartz echo
Meh. We just got Lethe Shade so it's so-so
rotund field
Can i see the new tree somewhere?
violet nymph
and with higher evasion/ES on gear and an unchanged Escape Artist Trickster CI looks pretty sick
fringe umbra
Anyone know if FR or SST was hit ?
violet nymph
uh yeah
rotund field
https://i.redd.it/lptreo35bht71.png
Hero thank you
violet nymph
Anyone know if FR or SST was hit ?
in the patch notes both of them are hit
fringe umbra
hard?
violet nymph
SST got a damage nerf, FR basically won't be a totem skill anymore
but didn't get changed for selfcast
fringe umbra
MY BOYYYY
violet nymph
they made FR not really a totem skill by changing how totem life works basically
which is actually a small buff for normal totems
but cancels FR totems
violet nymph
agnostic is in a sick place for hiero what are you talking about lol
you always take that arcane surge mana cluster
and agnostic is right there
ocean umbra
i mean the raiders and ascendants have to get like
violet nymph
now you don't have to reach into scion area
ocean umbra
25 extra points
violet nymph
i mean i guess it's a nerf for those lol
but ascendant i'm pretty sure was grabbing that mana too
i'm dying to see the list of mastery stuff
bold basalt
seems like GGG wanted to have defences stronger class identity
violet nymph
ggg added a bunch of new life nodes i'm not sure people have noticed
this is new
this is new unless it's just a moved herbalism which i don't think it is
notable art is different
marauder got EVEN MORE LIFE
like he needed any
but it's great, they've buffed all defenses
which means any context where you also scale the defense for damage means a big buff to those builds
bloodthirst, dreamfeather/replica dreamfeather, etc
ocean umbra
dreamfeather is lowkey a pretty decent starting weapon if you for some god forsaken reason are going qotf melee at league start
but... don't do that 😛
just buy 300 pdps sword for 20c
slow basin
sharp iron
Might of the Meek will be significantly stronger this league. As while it disables the stats from Notables, you are still able to allocate the notable, and thus will be allowed to obtain the Mastery from the wheel.
honest ivy
since flame surge will be basically a necessity for ignite builds wha fire skill would work best if i wanted to do cast while channeling?
indigo wolf
SST doesn't seem like it got nerfed all that hard, I guess it would still work as a starter?
marsh oracle
I really wanna know the mastery lists T_T
cedar scroll
it lost some attack speed, some scaling, and half of its base damage
i don't think sst is gonna make it
thorny pond
Is strike skills nerf? It looks like a nerf
tender geyser
SST doesn't seem like it got nerfed all that hard, I guess it would still work a...
armor got updated on the shields to have bigger values both base and the ones you can get so it's still cool I suppose
slender temple
Json when
hexed steeple
cursive hazel
Which builds do you think will be meta for scourge league start?
crude scarab
There's no league currency this time, right? (expedition currency, heist contracts, etc. Something tradable)
devout osprey
yes there is tainted currency
crude scarab
Oh sure. Not quite the same, but close
devout osprey
they are literally currency items
crude scarab
I mean things that enable the league mechanic - logbooks / blueprints / simulacrums etc.
indigo wolf
I'll probably just wait a week to see what shakes out in terms of starter builds
Never a point in me trying to rush and make early money anyway
violet nymph
The league mechanic is enabled upon killing a certain amount of monsters I think
(if you choose to)
crisp tree
correct
hollow blade
they removed burial chambers 
violet nymph
f that map
slender temple
they removed burial chambers <:templarLul:425646098674221056>
hue hue hue
verbal path
I mean they are cycling through the maps every league
hollow blade
i guess we'll never get to know which map boss replaced the perandus boss
violet nymph
That boss was awful
hollow blade
I mean they are cycling through the maps every league
where does it say that?
verbal path
didnt he say that in an interview?
not sure which one, but pretty sure they are cycling
and it wouldn't make any sense to say, that a map boss got replaced, if the map got removed permanently
hollow blade
it says just removed from the atlas
so u can probably still run them if u have prior versions
hollow blade
that's nice, cuz i am for sure going to miss a good bunch of these
city square is one of my favorites
indigo wedge
brands are back?
ancient zinc
mageblood heavy belt, how do you think it would work? consistantly consume your flasks or will their effects be perma up
eager terrace
no consumption, just perma uptime
ancient zinc
hmm that sounds.. very good
with one belt you could potentially max out your resistance
with movement speed and status immunities
crisp tree
100ex belt
ancient zinc
well you be giving up a belt slot that requires a certain craft and also you cant use unique flasks either
on 4 of them
Intuitive link.. that's a fun skill gem
it.. doesn't look like it has a cooldown restriction on it
ancient zinc
oh
covert nacelle
cooldown time 0.5 sec
ancient zinc
lol i just noticed
ancient zinc
however.... this can be interesting to use with..
covert nacelle
that... should override yeah
ancient zinc
imagine everyone with this linked to a spammer
mobile bombers /o/
except if someone dies you all do.
i dont think you can link minions fyi
it did say target allied player
covert nacelle
there's a mastery that lets you do so
but of course if the minion dies so do you lol
ancient zinc
-eyes on that guardian-
hmm what could go wrong if i equip absorb 30% of guardian's recieved dmg
covert nacelle
probably want to use intuitive link to automate utility skills
might be a good way to get that going
ancient zinc
true
minions can proc your curses
or for elementalist they could use golems to pr.. no they will die
autobomber but with minions is very attractive
minion's autobomber ?
autobombing minion?
silent canyon
Soo dodge being gone essentially, why did people pick it over regular defenses, is it cause of passive tree locations?
ancient zinc
pretty sure ppl still had max resistances with dodge
silent canyon
I know elemental resistances, but like armor and stuff
ancient zinc
btw can't say i like the scourge mechanic on equipment
good idea until you find out you only get 3 tries
silent canyon
Isnt this just glorified incubation tubee
I swear this mechanic is in the game already
silent canyon
Again.. same idea
ancient zinc
well 'corrupts' it
i dont like the max 3 attempts kinda thing. at the end of the day you can and will ruin your item
silent canyon
Also rip legit copied ekko ult
Idk how but they got ekko ult into the game and that seems busted
silver kettle
when I first saw it I thought Tracer not Ekko
ancient zinc
i dunno how i feel about seeing the livestream showcasing of mostly toxic rain footage @.@
is it a hint of the best build?
crisp tree
no
storm flint
or that its so idiot proof even devs can do it
violet nymph
Someone was telling chat earlier that toxic rain is dead and the toxic rain build doing uber content was just for the trailer and not applicable to the league
silver kettle
or that its so idiot proof even devs can do it
so real
dense ruin
Well, tracer in lore reverses/speeds up time for herself right?
crisp tree
poe chat ?
dense ruin
Meanwhile ekko in lore reverses time itself
violet nymph
poe chat ye
indigo wolf
Temporal Rift skill reminds me of the time classes in Tales of Maj'eyal
ancient zinc
the poor devs of path of building..
indigo wolf
Kind of, it created its own engine that anyone can use to make their own games, but I don't think anyone knows about it
It's a tile/turn based roguelite
ancient zinc
that new mastery on tree is gonna take time to implement i'd think
crisp tree
na
indigo wolf
It was originally built off Lord of the Rings lore (Tales of Middle Earth), but eventually created its own unique mythos not based on tolkien
ancient zinc
hey about temporal shift..
if you equip two of them, and one is linked to cast on death
does that mean you revive O-o
devout osprey
doesnt it start counting to 4 when you activate it. so it would be useless for CoD
sullen vessel
no - that question was asked by ziggyd on the stream and wilson said it will not work.
slender temple
if you equip two of them, and one is linked to cast on death
no. can't trigger reservation skills.
ancient zinc
oh
slender temple
they already though tof that
:p
what i wanan nkow is. the notable masteries are they a list of all the notables from teh pool or are tehy a watered down version of the ntoables you haven't hit?
did they say anything about that?
ancient zinc
i cant say i want to read this after the 1st sentence
white surge
Do Scourge mods stack with Vaal corrupted implicits?
slender temple
the correct question is. can you corrupt an item before putting in the scourge box.
ah ok then you can
devout osprey
and corrupt items can be scourged yes
slender temple
nice way to 30% with einhar hten scourge up asome stuff for stat stick items like middle league ES body or hat
slender temple
so we added rocket fuel
autumn snow
Temporal Rift skill reminds me of the time classes in Tales of Maj'eyal
Tome is awesome
white surge
Also GG: "let's add incredibly powerful implicits with the new league"
white surge
Also GG: "let's add incredibly powerful implicits with the new league"
MEGA implicits that stack with old ones*
ancient zinc
"so we added more and more and more rng stat boosters while removing all the deterministic ones"
-points at support gem nerfs-
autumn snow
They removed power to add it back through gear
frigid shore
Is there anywhere we can look up the new passive tree ore it just what was shown on the announcements?
autumn snow
and masteries too...
We have no idea if that new passive tree is better or worse than current one
lilac saffron
what a dogshit is 
ancient zinc
mm actually intuitive link is disgusting with endless misery danm
white surge
We have no idea if that new passive tree is better or worse than current one
We know pretty emphatically that they haven't nerfed minor node values, I can't imagine it's gonna be weaker otherwise
Most of the changes have been publicised
ancient zinc
as long as you are generating your charges, that spin to win partner of yours is gonna do some massive aoe dmg
lilac saffron
There are way less nodes
ancient zinc
did they nerf that one popular totem build?
lilac saffron
Yes
ancient zinc
i was thinking of trying it out but if they did i wont
crisp tree
no crab build 
autumn snow
did they nerf that one popular totem build?
Forbidden?
ancient zinc
yeah
autumn snow
It's ded
ancient zinc
:(..... time to look for some inspirational minion's autobomber build
silver cave
I expect that passive tree change to be further developed for poe2. It must be some ground works for poe2 and them testing waters.
white surge
You can have a new implicit on EVERY SINGLE ITEM SLOT
ancient zinc
why... would bloo crucible be op?
autumn snow
Pop minions no EE 
white surge
Ridiculous
autumn snow
If you haven't noticed, it also has downsides
ancient zinc
odds are not in your favor(it never is)
white surge
- metatrading/multiple tries allows for an incredible incredible new power ceiling, without too much currency investment as it looks like it can be tried many times
- the downsides can be worked around, i.e. "deal no chaos damage" on non-chaos builds
autumn snow
I expect that passive tree change to be further developed for poe2. It must be s...
Let's hope new one won't be pepebad
ancient zinc
no.. you can only chance 3 times
ancient zinc
no?
if you made a end game rare equipment
it would be very risky to use the new mechanic
white surge
Yes, but the power ceiling is incredibly high. The risk vs. reward is insane for expensive items, of course
ancient zinc
i'd say even chancing a 6-link body armor would be risky
ancient zinc
i never reach high endgame anyways ;.; too tedious and boring and expensive
autumn snow
Faster now
ancient zinc
what i am interested is the room decos no longer locked to favor and also passive tree mastery
oh and atlas rework(maybe)
white surge
We can also fuse/chrom corrupted items now easily
Atlas rework will be nice, grinding Awakening levels was a pain in the ass
autumn snow
Did you think expedition would be the end of powercreep
violet nymph
most of the patch notes look hype but what the hell is this
such a massive change, based on legacy gear???
white surge
Did you think expedition would be the end of powercreep <:templarLul:42564609867...
It's just so contradictory and dumb
Like they made this huge fucking radical decision to (attempt) to slow down power creep
ancient zinc
"easily"
white surge
Then release the BIGGEST power creep patch in years?
I reckon they caved to the lower revenue
storm granite
How much you guys wanna bet your crucible progress will be character specific?
ancient zinc
actually this does raise the point, i am very scared of cheap 6l corrupted body armors no longer being cheap..
oh it is.
violet nymph
How much you guys wanna bet your crucible progress will be character specific?
why wouldnt it be?
ancient zinc
and i hate it
white surge
@ancient zinc Unique prices will go up, as will good rares
autumn snow
Well, the idea is to get the same power as before but through more grinding
white surge
Cheap 6l will remain cheap
ancient zinc
i doubt it
there will be ppl who will buy them to flip them for that sacrifice mechanic
storm granite
why wouldnt it be?
to not discourage people from keeping the league fresh by making new characters and builds?
violet nymph
i think its a good thing
starting a new character when youve already got a high progress map is already aids enough
throwing a low level character into a high level crucible would be worse
white surge
Nobody working towards high power-ceiling will be buying shitty rare 6 links
But uniques, yes, totally
light adder
most of the patch notes look hype but what the hell is this
such a massive chan...
Based on legacy gear for a skillgem you can´t get since..3 years ago? or so
white surge
Well, the idea is to get the same power as before but through more grinding
Mark my words, we're gonna see 15% or so more DPS on builds from this change
violet nymph
Based on legacy gear for a skillgem you can´t get since..3 years ago? or so
wait vaal immortal call isnt a thing anymore
?
ancient zinc
15% isn't very exciting and thats probably for the end game pricey builds
storm granite
better outcomes isn't tied to how difficult the encounters are
light adder
Can no longer be obtained via corruption, Vaal side area, or divination card. <- 3.3
ancient zinc
the casual i just wanna have fun builds wont be seeing these benefits
slender temple
wait vaal immortal call isnt a thing anymore
maybe its back
violet nymph
guess thats reasonable then
autumn snow
Mark my words, we're gonna see 15% or so more DPS on builds from this change
Not enough to cover the nerfs
white surge
Not enough to cover the nerfs
What nerfs?
ancient zinc
i want the skill gems to be unnerfed
autumn snow
This league nerfs
ancient zinc
all of expedition support skill gem nerfs to be removed thanks
white surge
This league nerfs
Specifically
unreal axle
I would be right in assuming the new unique belt will never trigger on use effects right? so no free bleed/poison immunity from it? Guess we will have to wait and see to be sure, but from the wording it looks that way.
white surge
"Awakened Elemental Damage with Attacks now grants “Elemental Damage from Supported Skills cannot be Reflected” at gem level 5." 
unreal axle
Oh shit thats nice
autumn snow
Reflect is a meme nowadays
unreal axle
yeah but if you ever did feared runs you always had to respec/regear for uber atziri. Its a nice qol
white surge
There's a build on poe.ninja (yes it's a showbuild but should work for the sake of comparison) with 12.5 billion DPS right now. Does anyone remember what last league's highest was?
unreal axle
those builds are not real builds. Look closer at them, they are just exploiting how poe.ninja/pob shows dps. It's not possible in game dps with those setups
often using multiple limmitied to 1 jewels etc
white surge
Yeah, I am aware. As I pointed out in the parentheses it's just for comparison. All leagues have had fake builds on poe.ninja flexing highest DPS.
unreal axle
wow I completely glossed over that hah, my bad
lilac saffron
I would be right in assuming the new unique belt will never trigger on use effec...
What do you mean? It should be able to get those since they are proactive now
white surge
I'm trying to get a sense of power creep, pretty shitty sample size but it's a ballpark
There's an ele hit build with 5.4 billion DPS. I never remember seeing ele hit so high?
lilac saffron
Dont trust poe ninja for dps
unreal axle
What do you mean? It should be able to get those since they are proactive now
The belt says "magic utility flasks cannot be used" and the immunity mods trigger on use
lilac saffron
Ever
white surge
Is anyone reading my comment? I'm comparing fake poe builds to themselves. It's an accounted for variable.
lilac saffron
The belt says "magic utility flasks cannot be used" and the immunity mods trigge...
Wait really? I assumed they worked like the old ones
white surge
poe.ninja*
potent lily
cyclone or toxic rain? league start?
lilac saffron
I wouldnt go cyclone/tr
rose pasture
Spectral throw
lilac saffron
But between the 2 probably cyclone
rose pasture
Actually feels like 80% will start traps
potent lily
ice trap?
lilac saffron
Wouldnt go ice trap
white surge
Toxic Rain Pathfinder with new flask ridiculousness
white surge
might not be a good starter though idk $$$ wise
lilac saffron
I think its going to be worse
unreal axle
Wait really? I assumed they worked like the old ones
Yes you're right, the new flasks mods are during use. The only one that is now "Removes Burning on use" and presumably curses too since it isn't in the patch notes
good stuff
potent lily
aren't toxic rain a very good league start?
white surge
Usually pretty good, but economy is liable to change
potent lily
btw can you suggest me some league start builds
unreal axle
Man I need this new belt, that's my goal for the league. Prob gonna cost like 80exa, but who cares
lilac saffron
Man I need this new belt, that's my goal for the league. Prob gonna cost like 80...
Everyone wants it
Its broken
white surge
And new Ranger defenses yeah... that's a thing
potent lily
which belt ?
lilac saffron
btw can you suggest me some league start builds
What do you want to play?
unreal axle
which belt ?
Mageblood, it son the scourge page
potent lily
What do you want to play?
feeling tanky and can also clear stuff faster
unreal axle
100% flask uptime for up to 4 magic utility flasks
potent lily
Mageblood, it son the scourge page
mageblood huh
lilac saffron
If you want to feel tanky and clear fast stuff I think glad is still gonna be the best option
Since it still has explosions
white surge
Gladiator is losing spell block though
lilac saffron
You can get suppression
white surge
Which was a lot of the reason it was picked
Yes but defensively we don't know what it has now
potent lily
let me guess gladiator bleed?
white surge
I presume the replacement will be a defensive ascendancy but who knows?
lilac saffron
They have shown it
autumn snow
yeah but if you ever did feared runs you always had to respec/regear for uber at...
She doesn't has reflect on invitation
white surge
Send me a link? I didn't see it
unreal axle
She doesn't has reflect on invitation
I meant when getting the witness
lilac saffron
Send me a link? I didn't see it
Its in the patch notes, in the part where they talk about ascendancy changes
white surge
Added a new notable, which replaces Versatile Combatant, that has +10% to maximum Block Chance, +10 to Armour and Evasion Rating per 1% Block Chance.
Eh
Not bad
Especially with the new evasion/armour changes
lilac saffron
I think all dualist ascendancies will be good
ancient zinc
"The Torchoak Step Unique Boots now grants 20-30% increased Totem Life (previously 30-50%). It also now has “Totems Reflect 100% of their Maximum Life as Fire Damage to nearby Enemies when Hit” (previously 25%)." .... can taunting totems be a thing?
devout osprey
im pretty sure you can make your totems taunt. isnt that champion?
lilac saffron
Ye
ancient zinc
i mean a build around having mobs slap your totem
white surge
"Violent Retaliation: Now has Ignore Enemy Monster Physical Damage Reduction if you've blocked in the past 20 seconds, and Attack Damage is Lucky if you've Blocked in the past 20 seconds." seems ridiculously good offensively
white surge
Bleed damage is based off the damage of the hit, so the lucky helps. But the phys reduction, yes.
lilac saffron
Bleed damage is based on base damage
lilac saffron
The issue with glad is that not going explosions is a waste
Like its the whole point of the ascendancy
hasty perch
Cant agree
white surge
Aye but you get the explosions regardless of the intensity of the bleed, 10% of their maximum life
I could see a hit based gladiator build
hasty perch
I would definitely go 6 points in the block side and challenger charges on a hit build
Lucky attack damage and 20% more AS is solid damage
lilac saffron
I dont feel like it would be worth it
white surge
Depends on the power level you're seeking, viable for all content? Good even? Yes. OP/top tier meta? Probably not.
lilac saffron
If you arent taking explosions you might as well go berserker
white surge
But then no pure phys builds are.
lilac saffron
Or slayer
white surge
Glad has defensive benefits, though
But they aren't particularly interesting now IMO
And you can still take the bleed explosions.
ancient zinc
one change i wish they did was to make the progress to 100 easier and significantly less exp penalty
cunning blade
any idea whens gem lv 20 reveal?
cunning blade
one change i wish they did was to make the progress to 100 easier and significan...
lv100 is a chase, not expected for most players 
indigo wolf
Just reprogram your brain to say level 95 is max level and level 100 is 5 bonus points.
ancient zinc
orr make it easier which will in some ways increase build variety
lilac saffron
Just dont die
cunning blade
orr make it easier which will in some ways increase build variety
5 skill points at the end of a build isnt going to magically improve build diversity, just stop dying
white surge
You need to put some skill points into compassion, boys
covert nacelle
"The Torchoak Step Unique Boots now grants 20-30% increased Totem Life (previous...
it was already sort of a thing, but the 100% is just a compensation buff for the reduced base totem life.
frigid shore
Is there a new passive tree out somewhere yet? Saw one of the streamers playing with one but not sure if that’s just for them
lilac saffron
frigid shore
Do we have details for the masteries though or just those that were featured on stream? I’m hoping to do a minion build but only saw the minion def one
slender temple
Do we have details for the masteries though or just those that were featured on ...
nothing yet. just hte few examples tehy showed us.
frigid shore
Hopefully not too long till we get them, I hate having to theorycraft on day one rather than just going hard to keep up
slender temple
i know right
tawny pawn
So, I think a bunch of builds that exiist now won't be available or will need heavy changes right? I guess that's the first league that I will go in flying totally blind
slender temple
str stacking es support is 100% gone for example
but most of everything else works with some adjustment
tawny pawn
hmm. skeletons should be fine too
iron pike
does anyone know if scourge mobs will be affect by map, watchstone and sextant mods and by mechanics like Beyond?
slender temple
does anyone know if scourge mobs will be affect by map, watchstone and sextant m...
yes someone knows. do we know? no
pastel kettle
NOOOOOO they removed perandus
sharp valley
uh.... is it me or there seems to be no utmost might/swiftness/intellect in the tree?
frigid shore
I’m thinking the absolute challenge this league will be a T18 100% delirious 10x Scourged map with beyond
sharp valley
nvm found it
carmine canopy
perandus stonks down, sell sell sell
pine zinc
I'm sure everyone and their mom has asked this already but we can't double corrupt AND scourge an item, can we.
queen arrow
Correct, scourging corrupts the item
pine zinc
Hmm, I guess it will be interesting to see which of the two ends up being the better "min max" endgame
Maybe scourging simply by virtue of being safer
queen arrow
depends on the implicit you want, since the new tainted currency allows you to alter corrupted items
pine zinc
I imagine scourging will be, generally speaking, better, since it A) keeps the implicits on the item and B) can't poof it
violet nymph
I'm sure everyone and their mom has asked this already but we can't double corru...
you can actually from the way it's explained. you'd just have to corrupt first
pine zinc
Not that I'll ever have gear good enough for it to matter, but still I like to dream
silent canyon
I was trying to play rage vortex and all of these defense ideas for the new league seems like itll help.. maaybe? Tbh us having to go for passives seems a little awkward instead of giving the full skill but im guessing they made a good idea hopefully
violet nymph
I was trying to play rage vortex and all of these defense ideas for the new leag...
what do you mean?
silent canyon
I have no idea if what i was learning to play i could similarly do the same again
Is what im scared of
violet nymph
oh lmao
yeah no the stuff coming should make little difference to that build. it'll likely be better than before
slender temple
can i just say what everyone is thinking. this is the diablo league ? 😄
demons etc 😄
carmine canopy
eight days til league start is eight days too many
leaden wraith
The skill tree changes are pretty hype
half moon
can i just say what everyone is thinking. this is the diablo league ? 😄
We already had demons, remember beyond? :D
slender temple
We already had demons, remember beyond? :D
you mean red bandits
slender temple
and it requires a computer to play
tender tusk
can you pick the same mastery twice?
violet nymph
can you pick the same mastery twice?
no
vestal blaze
can you pick the same mastery twice?
You can pick the same mastery slot by reaching an other cluster but you can’t pick the same mastery bonus than the first one
violet nymph
^
tender tusk
yeah that's what i though
vestal blaze
Np, just to be clear if someone read this 🙂
harsh bone
From how the league mechanic works, it seems to be the first league that we can play with at every area when it goes core. No longer an 8% chance
You never "encounter" it. It's always there as an option. Unless they change how it works
young vector
is there a place where we can see the tables for masteries?
i havent seen a screenshot of meele weapon masteries
leaden wraith
is there a place where we can see the tables for masteries?
not fully announced yet
swift briar
I can imagine content creators of poe are going to have a hard time making builds with how much things changed haha.
runic dawn
The wait for all the numbers and the full skill tree is killing me
young vector
can someone explain the meele range for dumb dumbs, i dont get it
violet nymph
you're probably going to get the same amount on the tree that went missing from the gems
basically
i've a feeling strike wheels on the tree will have really important shit for strike skills
like, i couldn't find tribal fury on the new tree so i wouldn't be surprised if one of the mastery mods is target additional enemy
young vector
this line is confusing me, the result of the change is that this skills have 0 meele range by default and the rest comes from the tree?
violet nymph
yeah
young vector
i imagine facebreaker will get a bit of a price hike if strikes get popular but im a bit of a dumbass so we will see about the ranges
cant wait
violet nymph
eh
young vector
facebreaker+, +3 unarmed range gem(cant remember the name) on a slayer might be worth taking for something other than cyclone
idk im tired, gonna sleep, that will take me closer to launch date
ashen prawn
dude im hyped for this league
the passive mastery, uber content
uh
i could go on
defence rework
scourge mechanic looks sick
maiden coral
For energy blades, what are the implications of your weapons turning into swords?
Does it keep the implicit and explicit stats, but is now a sword for the purposes of passives and what skills you can use?
rocky nebula
I think passives and items will still consider the original weapon type, so you probably only get bonus damage based on your es
Isn't energy blades an attack skill itself?
Nvm. It's a buff spell
So I assume for weapon type purposes, you'll still have the bonuses for the original weapons
And I think energy blades will be a duration buff.
Ah nvm again
It's like a stance
You toggle it for bonus weapon damage in exchange for ES
maiden coral
If it has no mods, that would be really hard hm
Interesting though
Wait yeah seems it has no mods
hollow dragon
subtle patio
That look useless to me
sour mountain
i really like the look of the Mastery things
rough phoenix
im a bit worried about the masteries
tender geyser
That look useless to me
not if you have like 6k es which is managable to get with good life when you strength stack, add some battlemage to give it to some spell and you cruising
rough phoenix
mostly for the pob fork guy
tender geyser
pob fork patch notes when?
sour mountain
also Link Skills can target Minions
are you thinking what im thinking
thats right
summon raging spirit
red estuary
link animated guardian, because when your AG dies you probably want to die too
sour mountain
unironically yes
in hardcore, too
actually i'm thinking of Link Skills can target Minions with Crawler
(so long as its dissipation doesn't count as death)
since the crawler turns into a machine gun, you can start machinegunning something that'll cause poison
red estuary
if dissipation counts as death it would make linking to minions somewhat underwhelming
hollow osprey
Will this League tanked my FPS as hard as Delirium
Because this feels like Deli 2.0
but R E D
rotund pine
so... how is the totem change gonna likely affect forbidden rite totem?
i feel like when mapping u dont need the totem to cast a bunch anyway?
hollow osprey
Well one cast and they dead
Literally
That build is into the trashbin now
Unless you figured out like.... increasing your totem life to a very high level
rotund pine
also shield bash seems fine at higher armor/evasion value
shield throw tho... looks like at least 30% weaker?
eager terrace
they won't die in one cast
but they will die very fast compared to 3.15
probably not worth
rotund pine
if the damage remains the same i think 2-3 cast per totem is fine
hollow osprey
You mean Shield Crush?
rotund pine
You mean Shield Crush?
yea
hollow osprey
I played it in 3.15 I can answer it
But ye it's a bit better
in 3.15 you need to get it to level 23 to have that 5 to 7 added damage
But now you don't need it anymore
it has reduced base damage though, which is a shame, still very good
rotund pine
humm, wonder if it will be 6 to 8 at lv23 now
otherwise still a nerf because of the base damage for higher gem lvl
tho i doubt i can get to lv23 lol
dont think i ever reached lv23
lilac saffron
Isnt shield crush the least nerfed of the shield skills
lilac saffron
I wouldnt use it with bleed
Since the overlaps are separate istances
You can go impale and hope the impale mastery benefits from bleeds
So you can go explosions and get a free benefit
rotund pine
oh nice as long as i can get the popcorn action going
seems like triggering spell wont cost mana?
ok hold on, even coc description doesnt talk about trigger spell cost mana, does this means triggered spell just cost mana by default? so whose mana will this link cost? the caster's?
crisp tree
https://youtu.be/tfVz_Nd45nw?t=1319 it cost mana to caster
eager terrace
yeah triggers just all cost mana now
rotund pine
got it, thx
violet nymph
if the damage remains the same i think 2-3 cast per totem is fine
They lost 60% base life and lost life on tree. Totem fr Is dead.
tender tusk
Does energy blade use your es value before or after it's activated?
violet nymph
Does energy blade use your es value before or after it's activated?
it uses your max es value at any given time after it's activated
tender tusk
ty
violet nymph
Is Energy Blade gonna be good on Wild Strike Raider
so realistically. i'd say slayer would be better than raider. but you have to use specific uniques and rare mods to make it worth your time.
tender tusk
2hand with shockwave maybe
plain field
Do we know what's happenging to The Perfect Form with all the patch updates?
violet nymph
at 2500 es (which is pretty realisticly doable with some halfway done armour and Life as extra es) you get about a 700edps 2hand sword @tender tusk
tender tusk
that's not too bad
violet nymph
with a 1.60 aps
tender tusk
what about crit%?
violet nymph
7% base crit
for 1 handers it's 1.7 aps and 7% base crit
you get a 480 edps 1 hander
violet nymph
that's at level 1
tender tusk
yeah true we don't know how level scales the gem
wet plaza
well oro's sacrifice is ~780epds
violet nymph
if at level 20 you get about 100 instead of 40 at the top end. and instead of 2 we get 5 as the low end. you get
504 edps with 1hander
756edps with 2 hander
violet nymph
realistically, you get 31% life as extra ES.
you end up with 6k life.
you get 1860 ES just from that.
you can probably squeeze in an easy 1200 es to bring you up to 3k
technically you could prob squeeze in up to 2k es on gear
tender tusk
if you go 1 hand you also have access to a shield if you wanna do that
violet nymph
at 3k es to start with, you get a 571 edps 1 hander
and an 806 edps 2 hander
but like i said. squeezing out 2k es doesn't seem unrealistic with some actual budget.
tender tusk
yeah an es chest + a helm gives you an easy 800 on a tiny budget
violet nymph
so 3800 es would be more fitting.
violet nymph
oh no. that's how you are getting the 31% lol
tender tusk
yeah
violet nymph
you need to get that 2k from gear without including those
tender tusk
oh ye
violet nymph
it's realistically just get some halfway decent gear
tender tusk
i really just wanna play with it bc of the stupid high aps
tender tusk
1 hander def seems more appealing then
tender tusk
also life on block and just other shield things
marsh oracle
is scourge only for corrupted?
crisp tree
What do you think about doing chaos flicker?
scaling ignite and flicker is hard
young vector
can you scourge flasks and jewels?
nope, it was asked in the q+a
short sparrow
Do I take my day off this Tuesday or wait till the Monday after league launch
short sparrow
That's what I'm thinking too ok it's settled just gotta see that passive tree now
split cliff
So does the Delve progress on its own up until L90? Lets say u go in at L70 and its at 70. Will it go to 100 by itself still?
silver kettle
So does the Delve progress on its own up until L90? Lets say u go in at L70 and ...
yes
the catchup mineshaft will always dig until you're level 90, if you delve before that it doesn't change that
split cliff
ty for the reply!
velvet palm
what are iolite rings and artillery quivers?
split cipher
did pob update yet?
velvet palm
is it supposed to update today..?
native osprey
slender temple
Portrait mtx reveal hopefully next
violet nymph
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3186660 wrote a rework for trickster that i think does a better job of creating a couple of unique archetypes for the ascendancy that i don't think the current subclass does very well
posted it on reddit and people seemed to really like it
it even makes use of the concept of the new node they're adding to him, but makes it slightly easier to control
inland linden
do we already know if you can krangle already corrupted (or double corrupted) items?
devout osprey
yes.
inland linden
so we can? that sounds pretty nutty for ssf
devout osprey
yes.
inland linden
cool
rancid ledge
the new gloves look like perfect for group mf...maybe?
carmine verge
and minions
violet nymph
and totems, mines, and traps
carmine verge
but I guess other gloves are stronger
ashen prawn
ok question about the new gloves
how would it interact with cast on melee kill
id assume the person killing the enemy would have to be using melee
but idk
violet nymph
"Must support both a melee attack skill and a spell skill to work. The attack skill will trigger a spell when it kills an enemy. Cannot support totems, traps, or mines." you have to link it to a spell and a melee minion i assume
but i wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work at all, given that minion skills are spells
don't have to use worms for this bad boy anymore though
carmine verge
don't have to use worms for this bad boy anymore though
you'd prefer worm+triad I guess?
ashen prawn
"Must support both a melee attack skill and a spell skill to work. The attack sk...
ah fair
merry gate
so how many people are going ed contagion for league start lol
slender temple
so how many people are going ed contagion for league start lol
everyone named Zizaran i think
merry gate
I cant figure out a build to play at start...Do people typically create bossing characters at start or quick mapping characters first
crisp tree
imo mapping>bossing
quartz echo
You want a reasonable amount of bossing at least if you want to unlock atlas passives.
inland summit
mapping quick then tanking on bosses feels horrible, I'd prefer normal mapping and good bossing than a character solely focused on mapping
merry gate
ive screwed myself in the past making fast mapping characters at the start and then get to yellowred maps and and bam, cant kill bosses
im trying to avoid that this league lol. i might just go zombies
young vector
destructive link looks awesome
maybe good pairing a slayer and a Coc witch that has low crit so it doesnt have to build itself that way
at least as im reading it, my current slayer has 27% crit with a +30% its 57% for the Coc witch for 8 secs
lucid stone
What minion would you want to use link skills on?
Cause I'm probably only gonna be playing solo. ; w ;
crisp tree
AG or Reaper
solemn reef
You can link to minions with a passive tree point
indigo wolf
Oh
crisp tree
carrion golem for the spell trigger link
young vector
so, would it work with forbidden rite?
the carrion golem would be the one loosing life or it would be you?
frosty aurora
new league unironically looks complex
like there's a few things to learn here and there
seems like most item aspect is random though
halcyon veldt
You want a reasonable amount of bossing at least if you want to unlock atlas pas...
But are there actually builds that can't boss at least that much?
violet nymph
the new gloves look like perfect for group mf...maybe?
Now only if there is a way to share on death affects with everyone.....
violet nymph
maybe spectres will be really strong
Thatd be only one spectre. So I guess the two already mentioned and carrion golem, depending on how the build is laid out?
young vector
afaik they arent permanent
so you can switch between spectres
destructive has only 8 seconds base
violet nymph
Man, I wish they went 110% and added priority party play incentives such as random basic currency dropped upon map completion for each player that can't be interacted with by others
Because it feels like they are roughing parties at a medium pace now
Imo, also can't wait till a full drop of all scourge corruption mods comes out
Has POB been updated?
frigid shore
wouldnt expect a pob for at least a few days
quartz echo
But are there actually builds that can't boss at least that much?
Low investment kinetic blast wander for instance. Gotta juice up that power siphon for it to feel even the least bit alright but the clear is awesome.
main wind
how long before PoB update?
silent canyon
Those link skills look fun af
graceful shore
2 week
violet nymph
Low investment kinetic blast wander for instance. Gotta juice up that power siph...
Yup. Until you get some real gear single target feels like ASS. But clear is buttery
quartz echo
Silky smooth. Then you get to the boss and it's full stop
mild nymph
ik this has probably been asked a lot... but has the new tree been released anywhere?
violet nymph
ik this has probably been asked a lot... but has the new tree been released anyw...
nope
mild nymph
kk ty for letting me know!
main wind
found this https://i.redd.it/lptreo35bht71.png
violet nymph
yeah that's the closest we have
wary stratus
https://i.imgur.com/ukQ2wc7.jpg is more complete
sour mountain
the new skilltree has been released?
or is that just pieced together from what weve seen
slender temple
the new skilltree has been released?
cobblejob from vdeo
storm crown
distant hearth
This league and party gem-linked players will be fun... can't wait to blink away everytime I see my buddy almost dying 😄 (lack of) trust will show its color !
queen arrow
I just realized, scourging the iron mass could lead to some interesting skeletons...
slender temple
This league and party gem-linked players will be fun... can't wait to blin...
"hey bro how did you die" "i dont know bro how come your nto dead must be bug"
distant hearth
Or you think your buddy will die as he took some nasty hits and he's low life and you bail on him, and you actually caused his death 😄
kindred dagger
Hi sharing something about 6 linking that could interest pretty much everyone, in the new league
honest ivy
i just want mind control to be useful again tbh
young vector
what in the world is mind control
unique fulcrum
?
honest ivy
conversion trap
honest ivy
i call it mind control cause thats basically what it is XD
unique fulcrum
XD
young vector
XD true
honest ivy
the main problem is short duration and minion effects don't affect them it'll never really be a bosser unless they give it enough duration but it can't even really be used as a mapper cause your dependent almost entirely on the enemies stats
unique fulcrum
I cant wait to troll my friends with the tether gem and get em killed 🤣
honest ivy
apparently thats only if the die you die not the other way around sadly
honest ivy
fair nuff XD
unique fulcrum
So many new trolls that can happen thank you poe gods
Just please no nerf rage vortex its not broken nor weak i feel its just right
pale flicker
They definitely going to need some kind of protection against it in hardcore
indigo wolf
Is the protection not just "don't group with people you don't trust"?
How much party play is there in hardcore with people you aren't friends with?
cinder star
Lots of ways to troll with the new link gems
Use the crit chance one with low base crit for example
distant hearth
scourged ring: "you have this bonus but you deal NO MAGIC DAMAGE!" - scourged hat: "you have that bonus but you deal NO PHYSICAL DAMAGE" - scourged sandals: your feet can breath but YOU LOOK STUPID! - scourged pants, scourged tie, scourged socks, etc... at the end, my character running backward at +200% speed and throwing powerful spells while constantly farting
hollow osprey
Keystone counts as a positive or a negative?
Imagine getting a RT/deals no ele damage on a CoC build
wet plaza
probably as positive in general
dusty umbra
To be fair half of keystones are negative for most builds
wet plaza
yes and still getting that keystone is good
rare rose
Keystones from scourge will be INSANE (in trade league)... getting the ones you want without build killing downsides in SSF would be very RNG gated. But there will be millions of "bricked" scourged items available in trade that fit your build.
well millions won't fit your build.. but out of the millions, some will fit your build and will possibly be cheap
If you get some crappy gloves with 50 life and 35 resists, but gives you a keystone that you would have spent 6 points to get to... it would be like a Unique set of gloves that says "Gives 6 extra passive skill points" .. which would be a multi exalt chase unique.
Yeah, I'm not sure if every keystone will be possible, but as OP as that sounds, it's actually more balanced the more mods that are available because it makes it harder to get the ones you want.
I think if you could only scourge a rings/amulet or glove/boot/helm or something that would still be crazy.. but you can equip 10 different scourged items. It's just going to be stupidly broken fun -- IF you can get the mods you want.
I also can't believe they're letting us scourge uniques... Almost any usable unique is worth slapping with a vaal orb and then if you get any relevant implicit you scourge it and it will likely be worth something to someone.
You could probably dedicate your entire league to farming/buying alva double corrupts... double corrupting tabulas and scouring them and selling them.
*scourging them lol
slender temple
why tabulas
why not a useful body with some cool mods
i just want level 100 and 40/40
whatever happens in between that is fine
rare rose
yeah, i suppose tabulas wouldn't be the best. It's just a cheap unique that is always in demand..
slender temple
here is the thing
once you corrept it
it loses its level 1 usability
so its not a great option for double corruption
hence why it hink you better off double corrpting a diff chest
dusty umbra
I also can't believe they're letting us scourge uniques... Almost any usable uni...
best part is being able to enchant corrupted uniq (helms)
rare rose
yeah i'm curious to see the drop rate/cost of that new orb
Aside from double corruption insanity.. I think you'll obviously just always want to have something in your scourge windows. So I'm trying to think about cheap and easy ways to just have a tab of "good enough" stuff to throw in there each time I have a slot open. Like just using essences or fossils on rings/amulets to get something decent and if it gets a good scourge then the mods don't need to be that great.
oh really? i thought it was like 5 maps
violet nymph
I also can't believe they're letting us scourge uniques... Almost any usable uni...
Seems like they are moving goalposts and allowing us to power creep
slender temple
Seems like they are moving goalposts and allowing us to power creep
good 😄
rare rose
Was it 10-15 to get from T2 to T3 or 10-15 total to go from non scourged to T1 to T2 to T3?
patent zinc
you can scourge corrupted items?
rare rose
Yup 🙂
patent zinc
2x scourge implicits on top of 2 vaal implicits? thats possible?
rare rose
One thing I did notice watching the reveal again was the item levels do matter. If you put an ilvl 83 item in the scourge window, it will only gain progress when you are killing mobs in a 83 zone.
yup admiralty.. and enchantments.. and anoints
patent zinc
ok ty
violet nymph
Probably caps at 83
desert maple
just curious did they fix the guaranteed sacred blossom from t4 plants/harvest bosses in the next league?
violet nymph
Like how 68 is a soft starting level for somethings, like now with accessing the fourth lab
rare rose
yeah hopefully there is a threshold where you can go beyond that.. like T15+ maps could do any ilvl items or something
But I like that this league mechanic doesn't have the issue of Harbor Bridge / Quarry farming because you need to kill demons.. and to kill demons you need to kill mobs first. So the league mechanic encourages running juiced maps with lots of mobs.
Grimro was saying he thinks you'll be able to fill your blood meter, swap to nightmare, empty blood, back to map, fill blood, swap to nightmare multiple times in maps with lots of mobs. So yeah, i think you're right about that.
patent zinc
Grimro was saying he thinks you'll be able to fill your blood meter, swap to nig...
its like quarry farming in ultimatum, but no need to spawn new instance?
dusty umbra
2x scourge implicits on top of 2 vaal implicits? thats possible?
scourge mods didn't replace shavs spell dmg mod so probably yes
rare rose
Sort of, you'll need to run multiple maps, but the more mobs that are in your map, the more times you can swap to nightmare and progress your scourging. Chris hesitantly said league mechanic mobs count too. So having alva/blight/expedition in map should mean more and more scourging
lucid stone
Is scourging uniques going to be like getting 40/40 challenges? How difficult is it to unlock
rare rose
It's pretty high on the UI, I expect you'll have that one before maps
violet nymph
when 3.16 skilltree reveal?
patent zinc
is ggg updating the currency tab for tainted currencies?
rare rose
I remember seeing a patch note about changes to the currency tab for scared orbs and other core game changes. But I don't expect that scourge currencies will have their own tab or a spot on an existing tab.
patent zinc
oh its not core yet, so no, ok
violet nymph
They'd use the misc slots at the bottom. P coins are still there, but no usage imo.
Who knows, they may keep the corp currency instead of the league as core
simple herald
I hope they revamp perandus manor and re-enable the card drops and either switch our coins to other currency or make a new use for them. I feel like just disabling the items is a very sloppy termination of perandus and a waste.
lilac saffron
Perandus was one of the worst mechanics
I would've liked if they kept perandus manor and made the item perandus gave in there free but whatever
glad bloom
Perandus was one of the worst mechanics
Not worst... But,very old, and they make perandus rewards even worse in 3.14. and i think prophecy will be next.
lilac saffron
Not worst... But,very old, and they make perandus rewards even worse in 3.14. an...
Perandus stealing reward types from deli/simulacrums/whatever
was quite annoying
carmine canopy
I wonder how good the new rewards from Janus are gonna be, assuming they do swap it to Expedition rewards and not something else
Will it actually be worth it to put him in Research now?
mild ingot
am I misunderstanding something or does this item literally make you immortal otuside of oneshots and DoTs?
carmine canopy
Damage recouped is over 4 seconds
honest ivy
so 1000 damage is 250 hp every second for 4 seconds
carmine canopy
yep
honest ivy
but since you'll most likely be going back to almost full health regardless yes
glad bloom
I wonder how good the new rewards from Janus are gonna be, assuming they do swap...
I think he will drop expedition scarabs/artifacts.
honest ivy
temporal rift does in deed make you immortal just itself alone as long as you can time it
carmine canopy
here's hoping they aren't a bad amount of artifacts
glad bloom
If in good amounts,then maybe he will worth put him somewhere.
honest ivy
honestly i could see some RF temporal rift shenanigans with that chest
carmine canopy
I think (I could be wrong) that you only recoup damage from hits
honest ivy
i'd hope so or liek i said RF is basically free regen if you can not die to it instantly for your builld XD
carmine canopy
yeah, only damage from hits
honest ivy
shame
me honestly i'm gonna tinker with incinerate flame surge
since flame surge is now ignite burst potential
desert maple
did they fix the guaranteed sacred blossom from t4 plants/harvest bosses in the next league?
timid geyser
did they fix the guaranteed sacred blossom from t4 plants/harvest bosses in the ...
There was nothing in the 3.16 patch notes w/ regards to this.
carmine canopy
They didn't directly say they're changing Janus, but they said they're swapping Perandus rewards out for Expedition, and half of his rewards are currently Perandus so
timid geyser
did they change janus?
Probably changed to expedition rewards, but nothing speicificly was listed about Janus.
Perandus has been removed from the core game. Some sources of Perandus Item rewards from other League content have been replaced with Expedition Item rewards, as noted above.
desert maple
There was nothing in the 3.16 patch notes w/ regards to this.
damnit :/ i wont grind with that node that gives a guaranteed sacred blossom
since its glitchy
patent zinc
u cant chance pledge of hands in 3.16 w/gwennen?
timid geyser
u cant chance pledge of hands in 3.16 w/gwennen?
Correct.
Pledge of Hands is now exclusively obtained as a drop from Atziri, Queen of the Vaal in The Alluring Abyss, and through relevant Divination Cards.
patent zinc
😦 lol
desert maple
Correct.
> Pledge of Hands is now exclusively obtained as a drop from Atziri, Q...
sounds easy to obtain tbh
patent zinc
poh will be more expensive in wk 1 for sure
pure blaze
Guys
The new tornado skill works different I think
It's not a " fire tornado"
It's a tornado that you can apply different elements to
violet nymph
well it's just a tornado. that inherits the damage you put into it
and we already knew that
it was on the gem
pure blaze
Ohh ok xD
timid geyser
pure blaze
I didn't see the gem
patent zinc
u can only input dps in first 2 seconds?
violet nymph
yup
patent zinc
it dishes out dps only after 2 seconds?
violet nymph
can only have 1 up
pure blaze
Gonna call it tornado alley
timid geyser
it dishes out dps only after 2 seconds?
It does damage whole time (spell damage), but the reflect part only receives projectiles during first duration, and deals reflect damage during secondary duration.
pure blaze
Awh damn it!
patent zinc
oh ok, u cant do tornado totems, too dumb
cwdt-tornado, maybe works
its painfully slow nonetheless
trap-tornado, also maybe
timid geyser
can you make a chaos tornado?
Nothing explicitly states you can't so I don't see why not.
Only limiting factor might be that ground targeted projectiles do not work, but I have no confirmation going either way for that.
molten coral
degen won't add damage though
patent zinc
its supposed to help some projectile builds do bossing, i think
timid geyser
degen won't add damage though
Correct, you can not reflect DoT.