Tangmazu yeah
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woeful blade
Anyhow, we know that Tangmazu isn't the exclusive or even the primary source of insanity in the Atlas
slender temple
i did get some variations of it ;p
woeful blade
nice
slender temple
Anyhow, we know that Tangmazu isn't the exclusive or even the primary source of ...
of course
woeful blade
The primary source is the Atlas itself, acting as an amplifiying echo chamber for the worst in people until it consumes them
rotund surge
It is only insanity until there is proof
woeful blade
Like a lightbulb in a room made of mirrors
But Al-Hezmin's progression of insanity is very different from the other three
Baran forms a deity complex, Veritania is pushed even further into arrogant condemnation, and Drox releases all sense of duty for primal carnage
But Al-Hezmin seems to lose himself completely, with no conviction or emotion that drives him like the rest do
And his dialogue matches up with a lot of the Delirium aesthetic
slender temple
i thoguht his motivation was to be hte best dps and move the fastest
woeful blade
He was, with a jealously that poisoned everything around him
slender temple
i know veritania eventually decided everything was corrupt
woeful blade
But when the Exile starts tromping in his territory, he doesn't try to rival you, or compete
He just tries to get you to leave
woeful blade
And then becomes terrified of you, and loses almost all sense of self
He's the one I feel the most sorry for by awakener 5
He's terrified, and wants more than anything to just go home
slender temple
he does beg after you get his awakening level up. and mentions that this has happend over and over
veritania also says stuff like until next time
woeful blade
This is completely different from any of the other elderslayer's response to the Exile
Baran goes from acolyte to self-appointed deity in response to the Exile
slender temple
VeritaniaFourStoneDeatha The end of the cycle of madness... until next time...
ahh yeah hahaa
VeritaniaFourStoneDeathc My only consolation... is that I am not alone in this torture... see you soon...
she wants out too
maven wont let her out !
woeful blade
Veritania labels the Exile as the epitome of corruption
And percieves herself as locked in an infinite struggle to purge you of impurity
slender temple
BaranFourStoneDeatha Tell Zana... ... ...{demons}...
BaranFourStoneDeathb ... tell my brother... that I cannot be saved...
BaranFourStoneDeathc Keep Kirac... out of the Atlas... at all costs...
BaranFourStoneDeathd A brief moment of sanity... it never lasts...
i see the longer prose from baran too i see what you mean yeah
woeful blade
Baran's five stone kill is always a warning about Sirus
slender temple
yes
woeful blade
But all of his other dialogue is about how he is a god now once you reach a4
slender temple
drox is a simple man caught up in his totem build and fogot about veritania
DroxFourStoneDeatha Your strength... is the law...
DroxFourStoneDeathb My kingdom is yours... if you can keep it...
DroxFourStoneDeathc Time takes even the greatest of men...
DroxFourStoneDeathd Veritania... my kingdom for... Veritania...
war banner / slam build
i mean
woeful blade
Drox goes from god-king conquering the atlas to create order to primitive barbarian as exile defeats him again and again
slender temple
DroxResponseToSirus0 Exile, there is always a mightier lord.
DroxResponseToSirus2 Beyond law and anarchy, Exile, there is annihilation.
DroxResponseToSirus3 Even Kings answer to an Emperor, fool...
DroxResponseToSirus4 If might makes right, then no law can judge Sirus.
DroxResponseToSirus5 Sirus has no need of laws or punishments. He merely obliterates.
DroxResponseToSirus6 Exile, you've stirred the beast!
DroxResponseToSirus7 What is a kingdom with no subjects? A land of corpses and flames will be all that remains.
woeful blade
In his journals his intent is to conquer the atlas itself, and the ephemeral nature of the lands he takes
But by the time the Exile is through with him, he doesn't care about anything but gratuitous murder
slender temple
VeritaniaResponseToSirus0 There is one who has transcended all mortal vice.
VeritaniaResponseToSirus2 None stand fit to judge one such as he.
VeritaniaResponseToSirus3 Sirus sits in judgement of all mankind.
VeritaniaResponseToSirus4 Pride and gluttony will be cleansed from this world.
VeritaniaResponseToSirus5 Sirus was once a mortal man with vices like any other, but they consumed his humanity, leaving him pure.
VeritaniaResponseToSirus6 What use is the war against vice in a dead world?
VeritaniaResponseToSirus7 You've doomed us all, Exile.
haah shes all cool util the highest awakening level
slender temple
AlHezminResponseToSirus0 Damn! That was too close. Too close!
AlHezminResponseToSirus2 What did you do to anger Sirus like this?
AlHezminResponseToSirus3 Wake up. Wake up wake up!
AlHezminResponseToSirus4 Effective, but not so subtle.
AlHezminResponseToSirus5 If I were you I'd just jump in the flames, Exile.
AlHezminResponseToSirus6 He's... he's just so strong... I don't understand it!
hezmin doesnt have a7
woeful blade
But in all of the other cases, the exile only accelerates the descent of madness and distillation of the elderslayer's drive
woeful blade
With Al-Hezmin, the exile's appearance shatters him
He loses memories, purpose, and sense of reality
slender temple
AlHezminFourStoneFightd The spectre out of the mist comes to haunt me yet again.
yeah
AlHezminFourStoneDeatha You've killed me a thousand times, but those were just dreams...
AlHezminFourStoneWinb I've killed you a thousand times, but those were just dreams...
woeful blade
Huge Delirium aesthetic there
woeful blade
Because of the way he loses it and the wording of those lines, there's a theory that Tangmazu is afflicting Al-Hezmin as well as the Exile, but Al-Hezmin is already in no shape to cope with Tangmazu's abuse
And eventually all he can try to do is what players do when the mist comes
Kill everything in sight
slender temple
poor guy
woeful blade
Though, perhaps the Exile is the one that brings Tangmazu to Al-Hezmin
slender temple
i picked a shitty build
woeful blade
And the god latches on like a leech from there
slender temple
thats a twist 😄
woeful blade
Would explain why Al-Hezmin seems like the most down-to-earth at the start
And the most lost at the end
up until about a3 he's the most direct and like, not listening to the sound of his own voice out of all of them
"Can't you go bother Drox instead?"
woeful blade
Exactly
slender temple
its great storytelling but you have to try so hard to get it all
woeful blade
Whereas the other three are like "You must be a minion of Sin!" or "Look at your impurities" or "Stop! You have violated the law- wait wrong game
uh
"Trespasser! Leave this place!"
slender temple
yeah they are in another kind of insanity 😄
woeful blade
Have you read the description of the Saviour yet?
slender temple
if we rescue them from the atlas. i imagine we can still fight them via frags acquired via other means like the elder/shaper guardians
the sword?
woeful blade
ye
slender temple
On the mirrored edge of infinity, one man sinks forever into darkness, one man rises into light.
But which one am I?
frail bluff
I think the explosives are limited and can't explode everything?
woeful blade
Probably not, but more of the mechanic is gonna be about those buffing structures
That description always gives me the chills
Sirus was a pretty simple guy, who rose to occasion of the Atlas
It makes total sense he'd be asking that kind of question before the final confrontation
And in the end, he became both
He was the Saviour of the Atlas, ensuring the Elder was sealed away at any cost
But that very cost made him the Awakener as well, and led to the destruction of the very people he sacrificed his humanity to protect
That is one of the most terrifying and simultaneously amazing parts of Path of Exile's lore
And it's why I really want to see him specifically added to the elder/shaper/ue fights
Especially if that means that he can confess to the Exile his feelings for Zana before the UE fight starts
He writes in his journal before the lore UE fight that if they make it out alive he's going to confess to Zana
Which makes it all the more painful that he would try to kill Zana so offhandedly at his Map Device
But all of this is usually lost on people because ain't nobody got time to read I'm farmin an HH ova here
slender temple
;p
well what he did is definately the connection to poe2
where we had to go somewhere and rebuild
woeful blade
The Karui land, iirc
Kirac has a whole spiel about that once you kill Sirus
And Zana begs you to stay out of the atlas
I think the rest of the Atlas story will be more self-contained tho
slender temple
zana needs to die
woeful blade
Zana did nothing wrong, aside from leading thousands(?) of exiles to go mad and die in her attempts to defeat the elder
slender temple
and backstabbing how many of them
we are at the stage where shes going to do it to us soon
slender temple
come out of the maven fight and its not our hide out anymore because zana has locked us out
definately 1000s
woeful blade
Whenever you go into a zana map with the mission type "Slay the rogue exiles" Zana tells you that the elderslayers weren't the first group to enter that atlas
nimble lark
guess i went mad and died
slender temple
or thye decided to go native in the maps they were in
woeful blade
And she's sending you to go deal with a previous batch that went mad faster than normal
slender temple
instead of showing up and pulling an omniman
they were chill
and stayed there
we are the prophecy foretold by the first exiles to those lands
the doom bringer
that will show up one day to kill their entire world
why do we need to murder everyone on the other side of the portal
we are researching right zana?
woeful blade
That's something that isn't really touched on in the direct lore, but I have a headcanon for that
The Atlas forms itself into ways that we can understand
Zana mentions as much before the Shaper fight, that the reality we see in maps is little more than a veil
slender temple
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v9C45OP_8w&ab_channel=EmergenClip||
dont watch this if you dont want spoiler for invincible. but this is us entering a portal
slender temple
someone neds to make an e dit with an assassin head and a head hunter on him
rich plume
Why there is no red tier atoll map there ?
woeful blade
The Exile going into the Atlas has just fought their way through every hero, villain and god wraeclast has to offer
slender temple
@rich plumenatural maps
red tier atoll is probably gonna happen but wont be natural
so you can't hirozon orb it
horizon
woeful blade
The listed map tiers are the lowest tier you can find the maps at
slender temple
natural maps != entire atlas
woeful blade
Not the highest they get
rich plume
Ty
woeful blade
Atoll is a tier 5 map, so I think that means it'll end up like tier 13
then 15?
with more watchstones
idk how that works, exactly
But back to the story
The Exile has been cast out of a corrupted theocracy, fought their way back to it and killed the god of that theocracy, and then was backstabbed or turned on by half the NPCs in the game
Their existence is combat, and the world is their enemy
So whenever they enter the Atlas, it adapts to their worldview
And creates an endless field of enemies for them to fight
Honestly, it's probably driving them insane even faster than Tangmazu
turning them into the perfect murder hobo
They solve literally every problem they run into by killing it
Even the league mechanics
Beast? Kill!
Vaal Architects? Kill!
Breach Lords tearing open reality? Kill!
Necromancer with the power to avoid death? Kill...?
Knowing this, why would the Atlas form into anything else for them?
rotund surge
Somebody predict the meta of the upcoming league
frail bluff
for farming i'm pretty sure it's zana mod ritual 3.0 again!
woeful blade
Most likely, tho vessels might still be cheaper and give a boost to total tribute farmed
honest ivy
so now that we know the balance changes whats the best early build for berserker 1hand axe based build?
i'm gonna try shield crush first but if it doesn't feel good i need a back up XD
rotund surge
Still have to wait for the level 20 gem showcase thats today
rotund surge
No
level 20 gems come today
and lest be honest, this patch are just so many changes, nobody will truly know if their builds will be good.
woeful blade
I'm going dom blow hop guardian
Didn't actually take a huge hit compared to other builds
rotund surge
we just can't know, if there will be some fundamental changes how we build chars after the flask changes
dusty cove
generals cry still gonna smash
honest ivy
i might go back to groundslam heavy hit until i get rage vortex if nothing else tbh
full granite
tl dr of patch notes: nerf nerf nerf nerf... nerf... you guessed it, nerf..
honest ivy
technically yes to the untrained eye tho a whole lotta buffs
wispy crest
Any idea whether this affects the explosion too?
full granite
lots of base dmg buffs, but support gems nerfed heavily
wispy crest
On Voltaxic Burst
wispy crest
tl dr of patch notes: nerf nerf nerf nerf... nerf... you guessed it, nerf..
But Inc Crit Strikes and Inc Crit Damage and Nightblade!
honest ivy
most likely not sicne their different damage sources
but since you're most likely investing in chaos and lightning damage anyways you'd just need a converter is all
bronze moth
I'm a bit confused regarding the damage nerfs. Chris said that it's common for some builds to kill bosses in a fraction of a second, and these damage nerfs are a way to combat this. But if at most the nerf is around 60% as they seemed to say, wouldn't it still be less than a second to kill the bosses?
steep dock
inb4 all bosses get a refreshing ward
crisp vault
are the new gems listed anywhere? I mean level 20
livid lake
not yet, tomorrow i think
floral cobalt
is there a specific method to guarantee aisling in research ?
violet nymph
is there a specific method to guarantee aisling in research ?
yes, and no.
it's just using relationship setups until she moves in.
floral cobalt
feelsbadman, yeah i figured its kinda rng and playing the board til she gets there, at least thats how it feels like when i do it.
empty crystal
Probably easier to reset the board if she isn't on it.
floral cobalt
shes on it shes sitting in transport for now D: lol
empty crystal
odd bison
Torrent when?
wise lake
so this is melee league?
steep dock
Leapslam Totem league
wise lake
everything else is nerfed
no changes to minions tho , which is strange. for once they are not touched
empty crystal
new minion eating others is their nerf <:
hollow osprey
Shield Crush is like Shield Charge but no moving
full granite
Ritual (costs 13 Chaos Orbs): Area contains Ritual Altars.
Delirium (costs 16 Chaos Orbs): Area contains a Mirror of Delirium.
dude xD
full granite
the innate assumption seems to be that every player is making use of these mechanics to their fullest potential, hence "we need to make them expensive"
damn, ggg aint playing no games this time round
hollow osprey
But I doubt that AoE is that big
My assumption is that Crush gains more AoE per level
Because a level 1 skill can't have that ridiculous range
Oh man I'm so thrilled to play a shield build again
rotund surge
When you think going Minions will be nice, but then you see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJpeenM5HVg
peak terrace
they just moved the overwhelm to passive tree mate and u roll more impale effect on weapons
they just made so impale builds are not slot the support gem and be done
rotund surge
sure, roll impale effect on weapons in a minion build?
peak terrace
and at the same time the gem gets 20% more impale chance so u are not relying on clusters
i refer to the other part of the video
idk about minions 🙂
rotund surge
the entire video is about minions
peak terrace
the title is impale support is dead 😄
rotund surge
because you play impale on minions
look at min 6:05, says in the video that minions can't use a single of the new ways that increase impale effect
peak terrace
and thats good 🙂
it was super easy to play minions
or rather carrion golem
it was fair tthey lost some dmg
rotund surge
idk about minions 🙂
says it all
peak terrace
sure
rotund surge
did you even played CG after the Heist and the follow up nerfs?
peak terrace
considering its one of the msot played builds idk if it was nerfed enough 😄
rotund surge
So, you neither played it and you did not watch the video. Okay.
tall patrol
time to league start ed cont ez game
rough phoenix
going down to the pit and league starting spectres or some shit
i cant find anything fun to play
ggg nerfed both my builds 😔
rough phoenix
abyss jewels cant roll 30% accuracy if you havent killed recently anymore
rough phoenix
nuked from orbit
digital chasm
Are skeletons the way?
rotund surge
There is a high chance that raise spectre will stay the best minion build, like it did in the last league. (Excluding Reaper since we don't know the level 20 gem)
violet nymph
can someone inform me about the flask changes? there was nothing specific on the patch notes except for the new flask-specific currency and the new type of flasks
rotund surge
can someone inform me about the flask changes? there was nothing specific on the...
read the manifesto, it has a tldr on the new flasks system
hollow osprey
Oh they changed it lmao
Yeah 7 to 15 is an absurd number
Honestly my 4L would be melee phys -multistrike - either chance to bleed or deadly aliments
Flat damage unlike Lacerate, is more useful on Shields than using Axes
My mainhand would be the unique sword that gives you 45% inc global attack speed, shield will be Lioneye's Remorse
Thats for starter, the damage should be good enough til yellow maps
floral cobalt
yo why is my mastermind progress not going up at all
I just did 3 safe houses and its at 0 still
slender temple
run a map with jun
thats how you get ticks
safehouses only put people into jail
ggotta jun a map to get the jail ticks
floral cobalt
welp as soon as i said that i got +72 on my next one
which auto filled it
shit works weird
did they already patch the game so you cant add an additional veiled mod from aisling or have you never been able to unveiled on items that have already been unveiled via veiled chaos orb ?
i guess that means 1 veiled pre/suf cant add an addition via aisling guess that musta been how it always worked hmm
indigo wolf
Aisling bench would have always need to be clean of crafted mods (which was both veiled or unveiled or bench crafted mods)
I think veiled chaos orbs had a chance to give both veiled prefix and suffix (just like a dropped veiled item from syndicate encounter), which it won't be able to do anymore.
Sounds like aisling bench may still be able to add 2 mods as long as both a prefix and suffix slot are available.
floral cobalt
well my belts done
still has an open prefix to slam but i hit god tier flask mods on every hit.
now i have 3 different flask belets LOL
tall patrol
flask nerf proof
floral cobalt
i just have to say i love the belt name too lol
"Skull Twine" its like HH but for flasks! LUL
full granite
so we do get bleed immunity for a second..great, but we re not getting charges expect a lot of
"X has been slain"
in the piety act 4 area
hollow osprey
you guys die to bleed in that area?
jolly meadow
@rough phoenix why did discharge get nerfed? they reduced the dmg on one charge but increased it for the other, or do you mean overall nerfs
rough phoenix
cluster jewels got absolutely massacred
jolly meadow
but is it too much of a nerf
rough phoenix
blowback cut in half for mediums, one of the passives on large clusters has its fire dot% straight up removed and turned into burning damage
idk im just demoralized by the nerf to those
jolly meadow
some discharge builds had like 3-7m dps tho. i mean will that be too bad
i really looked forward to play this :c
rough phoenix
it'll probably be quite a hit but im not an expert on discharge by any means
so im just going to nolife spectres instead
not a single one of the cluster passives i need got nerfed
pseudo snow
I played it in ritual. chieftain ignite discharge was a fine second build, wouldn't recommend it as a starter cos it's infinitely better with redblade banner and a couple of kaom's ways. it's tanky enough that losing 30-40% damage won't destroy it.
main cloud
cant wait to gamble hours of currency away on that new gambling npc in hopes of something good
has any major nerf been announced
silver cave
Does second implicit work with that flask keystone "gain charges for each empty slot"
@floral cobalt ?
If slot cannot be used does it still count as being empty
tired spindle
Will pob be updated before release?
eager charm
dont know, hopefully
spice charm
dude, PoB is probably going to take a while to get all this in. Basically the most changes to various things we've ever seen at once, not sure how long but we'll see obviously.
indigo wolf
Do they have to make changes manually or do they have something that datamine/pull from a formatted file?
proven cosmos
i dont got time to make this better but thats alright.
i swear i readed it has "Can't use Flask in Fish Spot"
and i was "whaaaat?"
kind marlin
So why was mana multis so dramatically increased on support gems? As a melee player mana is the last thing I wanna deal with as I see mana being more of a mage thing... anyone got dev quotes on this? :(
rare rose
Curious how people think Crit will work with Storm Rain?? If I fire 2 single proj attacks, one crits, the other doesn't... will the beams crit when the fire? Does each beam hit get it's own crit roll?
Also, when those 2 nodes are placed, does each node fire a beam at the other node for 2 hits? Or would there be just one hit per .5 seconds?
storm crown
i dont got time to make this better but thats alright.
To bad you didnt was able to make that synthized with 15% less charges used ☹️
mighty breach
i finally get it expedition means we are supposed to look at other games
storm crown
D3 league but thoes tends to last 3days 😏
But for real im looking forward to The league
kind marlin
me too. I have skipped the last two leagues since overburn. the only thing Im salty about is the mana cost nerfs qq
storm crown
Gonna be important to get some % reduced mana costs now
tawny pasture
Yeah but still , % regen is based on flat regen
violet nymph
I dont think mana cost will be issue on my build
storm crown
What skill you plan to use?
violet nymph
Ed cont occu respec to strength stack doon chubb geoffris ci chonk with shapers touch for str mana
storm crown
Ed with a 6link Will be 175 mana
kind marlin
am I going crazy? let's take any melee skill and imagine the following:
unlinked: 8mp cost, 1000dmg. 1000/8 = 125dmg per 1mp
add new brutality: 12mp, 1390dmg. 115.8dmg per 1mp
does slotting in new brutality now literally nerfs your dps (strictly dps)? 
hollow osprey
Alright next plan, Impale Shield Crush
Bleed is nice for starting out but you won't be able to use the full potential of SC without investing in something more bold
Impale Support nerfed? Who cares the only one who plays Impale nowadays is Champion anyways
Shield Crush shotguns so its perfect for it
violet nymph
Poison crush
copper kernel
am I going crazy? let's take any melee skill and imagine the following:
unlinke...
your dps goes up, but its less efficient mana wise
distant hearth
"Added 4 new free Coloured Mouse Cursor variations.
Added Default Mouse Cursor and Cursor Size settings under the UI Options category. " Lol the screen can get so messy that devs are giving us brighter and bigger mouse cursor as a solution😀
They did made some Monster packs smaller and with more threatening skill though. But it's funny 😆
minor hollow
Do you think they are just making it so using more than one skill is now possible, as 6L won't be a MUST now
drifting bough
Not necessarily.
empty crystal
Don't think so.
drifting bough
Most added skills people use are used just for added support.
minor hollow
Yeah sorry I did mean to put a '?' I don't know that, just an observation
drifting bough
Its still mor efficient to use a six link for damage than 2 skills on a four link
empty crystal
Reads for me like they want us to use more "interesting" support gems instead of pure damage. But still won't happen imho.
livid apex
eeeeyup
minor hollow
No good 6L support/def type thing someone may come up with?
livid apex
people will still 6L they'll just use whatever supports survived
empty crystal
I think they made it pretty hard to come up with an alternative with nerfing all the other non-puredamage support gems.
Won't use Onslaught just because they removed that from jewels 😅
drifting bough
Yeah. Most builds use heavy damage to survive. Only ones that didnt need that super high dps, were tank builds.
empty crystal
Yup.
indigo wolf
Ironically, zdps builds also lose damage. So now you need to survive 10 times as long.
empty crystal
Really cruel.
drifting bough
Nerfing everything this way does not fix the issue that you can die to things like corrupted blood/Bleed/Burning in but a few seconds if you dont have immunity.
minor hollow
Hope they add something that tells us what we die too
empty crystal
Nah. That may make you stop dying. They don't want that 
minor hollow
haha xD
drifting bough
Idk if they will. But i see the changes as good in the long run just not great in the moment. And all the damage nerfs are needed. But they also need to nerf monster DoT and burst if they plan to make this work. Not an insane amount, just enough so that dodge based builds and early Energy shield builds don’t die instantly. That way there is a way to play around it.
empty crystal
Also would spam reddit and the forum for deaths.
minor hollow
Idk if they will. But i see the changes as good in the long run just not great i...
Looking forward to porcupines? xD
empty crystal
Oh hell.
empty crystal
Next league. Endboss Uber-porcupines.
drifting bough
At least not yet
empty crystal
Yeah.. not yet. 😄
minor hollow
Can only imagine it's a big reset to what the start of poe2 will be(power wise)
indigo wolf
Next league. Endboss Uber-porcupines.
It's a bullet hell but it's porcupines
empty crystal
Not unlikely.
inland summit
I can see some builds forgoing 6L just to save enough mana to squeeze an aura
since aura's will be better than 70% of supports anyway
hasty perch
Most supports are still 30% more
violet nymph
But not support package
mild ingot
guys when it comes to expedition mechanics do you think it will be as rippy as ultimatum with mobs pouring in to eat your face without room to kite?
steep dock
it didn't look like it from the teaser
light adder
Looks like way less mobs, but deadly if you blow up enough
indigo wolf
Sure as hell hope not with what they did to damage this league
violet nymph
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Best summary of league. Whens next league
empty crystal
Didn't look as bad as Harvest or Ultimatum mobs, but probably is even worse 
mild ingot
Didn't look as bad as Harvest or Ultimatum mobs, but probably is even worse <:ma...
please no
i hope its fewer stronnger mobs than a flood of mobs
indigo wolf
What constitutes stronger? A sirus influence rare rushing at you? A slower mob but conqueror-level health?
empty crystal
That's probably what their brainstorming looks like.
mild ingot
as long as kiting actually works im happy
ultimatum was basically all about keeping the enemy explosion going which were really strong in that small area
tiny area+lots of mobs = profane bloom being amazing
i hope this league its different one with mroe room to kite
empty crystal
uh oh
mild ingot
with how rushed some of the changes in this release have been I wouldnt be surprised if they forgot to code the scold interaction
rotund surge
Insane but not good if I read the build from Jousis correctly
nova shard
will you play or skip this league? quick poll, P for play and S for skip
violet nymph
M.MAYBE
sturdy prairie
will you play or skip this league? quick poll, P for play and S for skip
damn yea ill play it, nerfs aside, I still love the game and what it has to offer. I actually like the lore and playing through the acts (however I might be in the niche here). Lets see what happens, not going to write off the whole experience cause a bunch of nerds on reddit had a fit about the patch notes
violet nymph
i get burned out on 2nd char so if my league started fails ill skip
Low energy gang
inland summit
I'm playing for sure, but I'm not doing rare maps or high awakener levels with these nerfs
violet nymph
built my ball lightning miner that i'll probably start with
made sure to reserve waaaay less mana
cause of the change
rose pasture
Definitely not jumping in friday
tired falcon
Bailing on the league, the game, and every poe related discord. I'm out homies! Have a good one
sacred trellis
damn, they kinda buffed flicker strike
sacred trellis
Flicker Strike:
Now deals 210% of Base Damage, and has 210% Effectiveness of Added Damage at gem level 20 (previously 168%).
Also
Liege of the Primordial: No longer has 25% increased Effect of Buffs granted by Golems, or 25% increased Effect of Buffs granted by your Golems per Summoned Golem. It now has 100% increased Effect of Buffs granted by your Golems.
that's kinda bonkers
now you'd get the effect of 4 summoned golems, fixed, however if you have more than that it's a bit meh, compared to the previous increase, that is
inland summit
its great imo, dont feel as bad for not spending a shitton of ex on a shitty golem necklace or all the golem jewels
the thing that stings is the ailment immunity change
minor hollow
curous does poe have a test server or whatever to try out the changes?
Or does pob update with changes yet
tawny pasture
nop
and nop
well some change have been updated
not all
but we all try shit at the same time when league goes live
minor hollow
yeah certainly be a laugh
empty dagger
pob will update prior to league launch
indigo wolf
Some will parts will be updated faster than others. It might be a while before new gems are coded in PoB
rough phoenix
Yeah most of my energy just goes to league starter
rough phoenix
i get burned out on 2nd char so if my league started fails ill skip
Which is why im still a bit sad about accuracy stack being dead in the water
covert nacelle
haHAA divine ire totems go from 5 mana to 10
slender temple
haHAA divine ire totems go from 5 mana to 10
doubt you mean more like 140 mana to 350 mana
covert nacelle
do me a favor and check the base mana cost on channeling skills
fallow creek
Я просто хочу играть я просто хочу чувствовать удовольствие от игры... я не хочу ограничивать себя в билдах и не хочу играть на виле я хочу убивать мобов становиться сильнее Я хочу играть на скиле который мне нравится
Я хочу наслаждаться и чувствовать как мой чар становиться сильнее а мой фарм становиться более приятным
Я не хочу чувствовать себя слабым даже когда я влил 100ex и бить елдера 10 часов
Я просто хочу играть в свою любимую игру а не страдать в первое акте потому что не могу убить хиллока
Я хочу плакать потому что я должен искать выход заставить играть на билде который мне не интересен
Это не просто паста а состояние моей души
floral cobalt
alot of the nerfs seem to be a prelude to be future buffs and play in poe 2 imo.
Melee was "nerfed" but it was potentially the least touched after base changes. I dont know for sure though i havent messed around in poe tree yet.
But in order to make animations and gameplay feel better for melee i can see why theyd nerf base attack speed. Theyre eventually probably trying to make attacks feel stronger but slower.
Cause right now its not unusual to have liike 10+ attacks per second, it just looks and feels dumb as fuck lol
i have a build idea though ill have to test in league probably cause im too lazy to do it now
its one of my super old builds i loved to play huehue
wanton venture
guys are any builds still alive
covert nacelle
yeah
eager charm
nope, every single build ever made, and ever will be are all dead
covert nacelle
not gonna tell u which ones tho i got a tip from chris
all of the builds he said were sleeper op cuz they werent discovered by streamers
indigo wolf
Fishing wasn't nerfed
floral cobalt
Haha thats the reason i havent told anyone what i might be playing too
No nerferino for me bwahaha
ight based off the currenct MTX rotation there should be a mega sale
but who knows i could be wrong but i looked up the past sale posts and it should be today after store reset or tomorrow if they do
mild ingot
release gem info please
tranquil aurora
Boneshatter does 194(!) damage per trauma stack...
steep dock
Traumatizing
floral cobalt
damn never mind my old build was killed a long time ago.
I was going to potentially run my old Detonate Dead trapper, i had a character with great gear and everything still on it from when i played it a long time ago. Corpse targeting feels messed up and they nerfed DD pretty hard in a previous patch.
And vaal DD only does 22 corpses and the targeting sucks ass
It doesnt explode all corpses in a quick chain and the chain seems to have really bad targeting now.
Like 75% of my explosions off vaal dd were no where near where i threw the VDD trap :;
honest ivy
well with POE returning to it's roots speed wise time to dust off the old 1.0 meta builds 😛 jk jk
lilac saffron
1.0 was better
Triggered skills didnt cost mana and cast on supports released
:(
But they nerfed kaoms
honest ivy
but just imagine if the 1.0 builds became meta again XD
empty hawk
slam totems look so fucking fun omfg
im going to do double 6 link, self leap slam with totem leap slam
leaping EVERYWHERE
or Consecrated path, teleporting totems LOLOL
indigo wolf
4 totems + self leap, it's like a dance club
maiden coral
If they keep slowing the game down
It makes endgame a much bigger chore 
hollow osprey
It's not gonna slow down THAT much lul
We don't have the League on-hand yet
I'm still gonna follow Shield Crush despite the numbers tbh
maiden coral
"keep" slowing the game down
Future leagues may follow expedition's trend
frigid timber
in 3 Leagues we will crawl 🙂
maiden coral
violet nymph
for singletarget i think perforate will be the best slam totem
lilac saffron
Maybe
honest ivy
i might just go flicker strike for campaign then transition into my rage vortex for maps
tired spindle
Yeah conc path totems is what I'm league starting with
And I'm going blood magic because fuck all these mana multiplier changes!
young vector
do skills like absolution that convert already a 50% of phisical to lightning get to 100% lightning with convert physical or it goes up to 75% because its already converted on cast 50% by the skill
tired spindle
There additive
young vector
so pure lightning no?
tired spindle
Yeah
young vector
k, might try it for a league start
honest ivy
t's hwy conversion builds do so well
young vector
i have never looked up anything about conversion builds
what are the non damaging alignments, shock and freze?
tired spindle
My support gem setup is actually not looking to bad either. Still enough good options among the garbage
indigo wolf
Flame dash, smoke mine, and dash now always move you toward the entrance of the area and not toward your targeted location.
sacred trellis
this instilling orb means triggers for flasks?
tired spindle
Man earthshaker support gives 30% reduced attack speed too. With that and pulverize and melee attack support they want your totems taking naps
livid apex
3.16: quicksilver flasks slow you down by 30%
quicksand flasks lmao
floral cobalt
would yall say theres probably no sense in going impale at all right ?
Thats pretty much what i took from the impale changes.
Just not even worth investing in it at all.
Trying to just look at things without using POB. Seems like the play now if we take into consider the changes, its going to be running Pride, and probably something like AA/Precision and vitality over even bothering with a banner/impale.
hasty perch
Invest in impale on the tree
Skip the gem
It litteraly gives no damage now
Unless you lack chance to impale
floral cobalt
hmm
i guess probably drop impale for faster attacks or something then atleast on this crit FB cyclone.
i probably wont play that next league obv ill probably play dual strike or a trapper.
i should probably test my 6L replica WOR out with dual strike but i dont feel like changing my character all around haha.
if i did, do a cyclone or something next league itd 100% be soultaker
I think these mana multiplier increases across the board didnt make much sense. I get increasing them for things that needed them but melee supports definitely didnt need them at all lol
though i have to say i gimped myself all last league by not delving and not bothering to pay for curse on hit facebreakers.
indigo wolf
The mana multipliers are better interpreted as nerfs to aura supports without actually touching auras
floral cobalt
i had a pair of vulnerability ones i never used and still cleared everything with no curse.
indigo wolf
More reserved means less room for auras means nerfed damage
floral cobalt
no i get it for things like aurastacker and such
indigo wolf
It hits people who only use one to three auras, too.
livid apex
generosity wasn't hit 😔
young vector
thats something i dont understand, aurastacking seems to be the problem but we dont touch auras
floral cobalt
Current 5L mana cost for one use is 15 mana on dual strike hmm
i guess - mana cost jewelry will be pretty big this league
that or soultaker is going to see a lot of use again
maiden coral
or dem mana leech nodes
floral cobalt
yeah i think the biggest hit too, to impale is definitely no phys overwhelm
that hurts prettttty bad.
rigid lakeBOT
violet nymph
dps is probably higher than the 4m in the pob, that was assuming 2/3rds of the explosions hit
but the build has 90% increased area of effect so it's possible all of them hit
honest ivy
aight so we going shield crush til flicker strike then flicker til maps and hten into my real build ez
floral cobalt
hmm bone shatter actually seems not terrible.
not only does it have 250% base it has 250% eff and flat added. a lot of flat added phys.
inland summit
i'd say 40 inc dmg and some attack speed and movement, 6s every 25s is pretty DoA
violet nymph
"The version it frequently uses because it's hurt has a 6-second cooldown." give it infernal legion lol
or use one of the uniques that makes minions lose health over time
but honestly things will be constantly hitting the reaper so
the buff should stay up almost all the time
inland summit
thats bad man, it will eat a minion every 2 seconds and the animation stops him from attacking
its DoA no way around it
violet nymph
"6 second cooldown"
no, not every 2 seconds lol
and it's only every 6 seconds if the reaper has been hurt
floral cobalt
ay i was right, today is fire mtx.
floral cobalt
btw would you have to run impale gem to pretty much get a decent chance of impale anyways ?
Cause what im seeing on the tree is... 80% total on tree but its more like 40% easily acessible unless youre using an axe.
i mean i guess impales base mechanic is still strong regardless so i wont be surprised if everyone still runs impale gem. but yeah.
rose pasture
Welcome to the Expedition!
floral cobalt
maybe instead of impale run rage and berserk hmmm
empty crystal
Dread Banner also gives you Impale.
So Impale Support may give you too many chance too impale.
floral cobalt
Yeah, i mean its gonna be rough though with mana cost increases
My current builds run on like 40~50 unreserved huehue
empty crystal
Yeah that won't be so funny. Not sure how* to handle that yet.
I have 120 mana now, which will be less. And my cwdt will take at least 19 mana in addition to main skill.
steep dock
More Mana reservation reduction
empty crystal
Maybe.
inland summit
I decided going for manabond, so i'll be dodging mana issues for the most part XD
empty crystal
Or another mana cost reduction on jewellery, but less reservation is probably easier.
Manabond makes that pretty interesting for sure 😉
inland summit
i'll just suck up the dynamo and arcane surge nerfs
empty crystal
inland summit
so Sanctuary of Thought checks how much mana I have at time of casting to determine the aoe mod?
rotund surge
Do we know anything about the Minion stats of Reaper, because now we only know that level scales the reduction to other minions damage/life
floral cobalt
well i was going to do dual strike
but they nerfed the might jewel for no reason in 3.1 to not splash for all 1hs
lmao
fuck man
empty crystal
Do we know anything about the Minion stats of Reaper, because now we only know t...
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/op3skn/could_we_get_some_details_on_the_summon_reaper/h62xjb3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 this seems to be the only thing right now
floral cobalt
no way to get splash for dual strike without a gem now reeeee
or doing dual strike maces which literally will not work cause low crit and attack speed
marsh oracle
what actually is expedition
west pumice
I just updated my POB fork and my dps on my earthquake build dropped by 20 mil
inland summit
didn't fastaf do an absurd full unique bleed dual strike build semi recently?
west pumice
Lmao
inland summit
Lmao
if you dropped that much you should still have plenty compared to everyone else
rotund surge
Honestly, if the base stats of the Reaper Minion aren't baseline op, the minion will be hard trash.
inland summit
right now, builds that push 5m are "good" whereas that was bottom of the barrel before
west pumice
My kinetic blast build without head hunter stacks went from a measly 2 mil to an even more measely 300k
inland summit
well I'm finally hyped about the league with finally figuring out manabond
if I hit 3m I'm more than happy
violet nymph
and it looks like i'll be playing my hyperbudget explosive trapper to start
unless i figure out something more fun with the same dps
mellow brook
PoB? I'm thinking about doing Manabond also
Would be cool to see other ways of building it, I would be fine with just 2mil~
violet nymph
given how tanky mana builds are yeah that sounds right
my wintertide indigon build last league had sketchy damage and it didn't feel good but man being able to survive in t16 ultimatums was nice
inland summit
PoB? I'm thinking about doing Manabond also
don't have a pob, I just use it to track my leveling XD
mellow brook
Ahh, oki np.
floral cobalt
do counter attack triggers share the same global cooldown ?
honest ivy
speaking of counter attack gems they weren't touched either interestingly enough
floral cobalt
shhhh
Right now if POB is right, my dual strike DPS is at 740k and my Vengence and Riposte is also at 740k roughly. LUL
With wings of entropy
inland summit
Not bad considering things
floral cobalt
6L replica WOE and 6L with Vengance and Ripost (effectively 4L each).
i dont think POB is able to calculate replica WOE though
dense summit
are they considered "triggers"?
covert nacelle
did fire trap really get .8 damage per second?
dense summit
yeah and I'm super curious how that happened
floral cobalt
no way to tell though cause the other versions of WOE arent the same
covert nacelle
what even..?
floral cobalt
SHHHH
dense summit
rip
floral cobalt
CHRIST WILSON IS WATCHING
dense summit
BEX FORGIVE ME
covert nacelle
yeah it got buffed
rotund surge
traps are a pain
dense summit
That was a buff
empty crystal
Wait. There were buffs? 
floral cobalt
i looked at notes i dont see anything for fire trap
becauses a 1 damage burning increase lol
empty crystal
floral cobalt
ah lol
tbh i hate how they reworked fire trap
especially with explosive trap existing.
The burning ground effect doesnt last long enough
floral cobalt
like i get fire trap used to have a cooldown and infinite burning ground, with the trigger explosion, but it just doesnt compare even after the entire rework lol
You cant get any feasible amount of duration on it
covert nacelle
I wonder if shock nova is worth using now.
floral cobalt
and if you work in duration you just flat out lose explosion/burning ground damage, just to extend the burning ground which refreshes on use...
shock nova should be decent now
though i think it still has a deadzone in the center
but now it doesnt deal less damage leading out
covert nacelle
look out ggg, storm burst decay duration stacking is immune to your nerfs
hollow osprey
So Lioneye's Remorse or Magna Eclipsis for Shield Crash?
mighty breach
@floral cobalt how are you scaling your dual striker? crit/impale/bleed?
floral cobalt
all three basically, but bleed is only like 15k worth
impale dps is reading at 255k
mighty breach
ye its weird i kinda wanna go all in on one of the three but all are good
floral cobalt
Im getting bleed only from wearing Haemophilia gloves
So im going to splash+explode
fading cedar
Do you think the new chaos skill will be effective with CI?
floral cobalt
its probably better low life with shavs.
but yeah should be okay
chaos skills in general are usually pretty busted on release so i wouldnt be surprised if that ones stupid strong.
hollow osprey
https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Old_One's_Ward also a great alternative to leveling
floral cobalt
Thing that sticks out to me the most as far as what will be the newest strongest skill released though....
Probably going to be Boneshatter
rotund surge
Uh.
floral cobalt
Though thats just my opinion.
fading cedar
Also, are Ultimatum specific uniques out of the drop pool now? So only from divination cards?
rotund surge
The best skills, for me, will always be the skills that can do Bosses and have good clear. Not sure about the clear on Boneshatter.
covert nacelle
boneshatter should stun reliably so the shockwave should proc all the time.
floral cobalt
It has inherent splash on it that has ridiculous scaling based off the stun duration, pretty easy to stun things a long time imo
Soo that 400% should generally be what you always have.
covert nacelle
just dunno how big that shockwave really is at base
could be pathetically tiny for no reason
rotund surge
The problem is, that it still does not sound like "good" clear speed, sounds double but not "good", if you know what I mean.
covert nacelle
genuinely considering bane occultist into decay storm burst. which is a sentence I didn’t think I’d say
but i wanna play forbidden rite
then again it looks like so does everyone else lol
hollow osprey
Stun sounds like a really awkward thing to scale off
rotund surge
If I where to level Rite, I would plan for the case the self dmg is so ridiculous that you can't play it while leveling
floral cobalt
It isnt though cause stun is inherent. But you get stun inherently using maces and shit anyways
from what they showed in the POE trailer the pulse looks decent
And thats likely just on the "display" builds not showing true size or power obviously.
floral cobalt
On that note.
I wonder how many non-supporter uniques are being added.
Maybe ill go look at the page again but i dont think they mentioned that, i think they only mentioned supporter ones.
nevermind i read that section wrong when it came out. Its 9 uniques and ONE of them is a supporter unique, lol
honest ivy
unique that allows you to store unique abilities when GGG?
floral cobalt
oh man some of these weapons effects dont work entirely with Wings of Entropy
I cant select the 2H model, it auto puts it to 1hs
compact umbra
how did they change quicksilver flask?
floral cobalt
But i can still use my titanic mauls on it fine.
honest ivy
honestly i wouldn't mind an extremely rare i mean like .0001% drop unique that allowed you to store other items modifiers
slender temple
@honest ivy you mean you want harvest crafting unnerfed ?
indigo wolf
Quicksilver flask is mostly the same, just 30 of 60 charges cost instead of 20 of 50
floral cobalt
Soon....
honest ivy
and it's a unique with either an extremely hard to do set of circumstances or a stupidly low drop rate like mirror kinda drop rate
floral cobalt
Titans grip soon .jpg 
trim bridge
https://youtu.be/ev9xkr7cLf0 pog aisling still good
sweet osprey
Torn between SST Glad, Holy Relic Nec and Earthbreaker Chieftain for my starter :(
honest ivy
see now you just look at that iq through a negative light and bam a 90 iq ez
hollow osprey
Hmm this League is gonna be smoother
You can choose to not awake mobs and still get the loot
honest ivy
but wheres the fun in that?
hollow osprey
This will probably be good in the long run when you aren't sure if you can beat them
honest ivy
you don't want to just waken everything level 1?
sweet osprey
League mechanic looks fairly relaxed tbh, no failstate and delayed spawns
honest ivy
which means it's not sticking around XD
dusty cove
see now you just look at that iq through a negative light and bam a 90 iq ez
reverse iq is just the opposite of dealing with complex solutions duuuuh
dusty cove
its just ez content for the youtube gamblers
sweet osprey
I mean he has his own currency so not rly being scammed
dusty cove
look i used 50 million of these things
hollow osprey
You mean MbXtreme
dusty cove
and his ilk
honest ivy
i gambled my life savings away and got this stupidly OP rare 😵 🤯 🤪
dusty cove
gambling is a great way of solving your problem of having too much currency
normal kraken
the haggle npc seems lame
it's like they made one npc that just sold you stuff for a straight price and then realised it was too similar to ritual, so they tried to make it "interesting" with a haggle mechanic
but there's nothing fun about haggling against a bot
indigo wolf
"Oh, I've got 19 subprocessors, you know, they need to eat electricity!"
void wing
There's going to be an ideal way to play his algorithm and everyone is gonna do that
ocean narwhal
I haven't done a generals cry build before so I dunno how it is
dusty cove
fairly easy, only bottleneck is a redblade banner that is a pain first few days
tired spindle
Yea the haggle npc is the lamest
rapid kiln
violet nymph
when does the torrent file usually come up 🙂 ?
sour mountain
oh did they say whether aisling double proc will annul 2 mods or just 1
violet nymph
ok thanks
empty crystal
I could imagine that it rewards you by only removing one mod, but who knows
wooden zephyr
if i had to guess i would say it would only annul one
but does it calculate how many unveils before or after it annuls lol
empty crystal
😂
indigo wolf
I assume aisling can double but only erases 1
empty crystal
would be hilarious it removes one of the 2 new veiled before you unveil
indigo wolf
(As long as it has both open prefix and suffix anyway)
amber finch
my current 6-link spellslinger setup reserves 51% of my mana. in the new league that exact same setup will reserve 110% of my mana while doing 50% less damaga
This is fine
amber finch
yes
if I get the best lab enchant for my helmet will only reserve 94% of my mana
add in a 70 mana cost for my skill and a 20 mana cost for frenzy
I will need mininum of 1500 mana to be able to cast the spell once
rocky nebula
lmao, that post by Chris
random juniper
Im so horny to start playing the new league with a flickerstrikebuild as my starter
rocky nebula
I didn't know New Zealand had access to every single psychedelic drug in existence.
empty crystal
rocky nebula
My man licked a few too many frogs before writing up that reddit post.
random juniper
What reddit post
empty crystal
could be worse
doesn't shock me that "lul guys we'd even nerf stuff 800000% harder if we wouldn't say no to all the nerfs"
main cloud
mana is gonna suck this league isn't it
lilac saffron
yes
prime ocean
IS leauge start tmr or today
mild ingot
ultimatum gameplay was so fun with profane bloom
you skill basically didnt matter as long as you got the explosions going in the tiny arena
light adder
IS leauge start tmr or today
check the countdown on poe homepage
mighty breach
is 30k dps enough for sirus? monakS
hoary snow
So, minions league? I'm getting the feeling necro is gonna be the king once again
seems like the hardest they're hit is loss of minion life and that's not too terrible
mild ingot
totems league actually
rotund surge
So, minions league? I'm getting the feeling necro is gonna be the king once agai...
uh, minions went hard on impale and they gutted impale and then re added multiple ways to get impale, but non of these ways can be used with minions.
Carrion Golem will strugle hard.
that only leaves Spectre
hoary snow
I’m probably spiritually a few leagues behind then lol, didn’t realize impale was the new spice
rotund surge
you only have Spectre cold conversion left, what is a very good build.
but the Minion Belt (Torrents Reclamation) got a 50% nerf.
hoary snow
Guessing the new reaper doesn’t have the stats needed to even begin to go it alone?
mild ingot
minions arent in a good spot next league
mild ingot
Guessing the new reaper doesn’t have the stats needed to even begin to go it alo...
no since it cant get soul eater like spectres
rotund surge
The only thing that is scaling on the new Reaper gem is its debuff for other minions, thats lol. If the base stats (who we don't know) aren't op, reaper is hard trash.
mild ingot
also the buffs it get from eating minions is super meh
only some increased stats
not more
rotund surge
You can play minions, its not so bad you can't play it. Kay already made a starter build for Minions, and played it with level 1 gems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugb-qOsbigY
obtuse breach
i'm planning opn playing with reaper \o/
rotund surge
While I'm pessimistic on it being good. Its very easy to switch to another minion build, so even if it turns out to be bad, it wont hurt that bad.
jaunty obsidian
not sure if i should go for that or the skele mages minion setup
baron zombie will be broken bc of cast while channeling
rotund surge
I never played baron zombie, but the guy on youtube who did said the build did not survived the 3.15 changes
here he commented: "With the changes in 3.15 this build unfortunately hasn't survived RIP"
slender temple
rip
potent jay
Does anyone have an Idea when we'll get the new gems in PoB?
unkempt fjord
once torrent comes out today, they'll be able to start working on adding the gems
potent jay
o7 thanks a lot
pearl prairie
baron zombie will be broken bc of cast while channeling
Baron zombie still very good, you don't run CI geofri version, but saqawal life one, which has way more dmg
slender temple
that build is now 7m in pob hahah
it was killed
wait
15m dps
sorry didnt see impale
merry cobalt
What do you guys think will be the most OP/Meta builds this league? like top 3
slender temple
What do you guys think will be the most OP/Meta builds this league? like top 3
the first , 2 nd and 3rd best builds will be the most op
slender temple
yes
i have no idea
19 new skills one of htem might be the basis for it
its impossible to predict atm
or could be oldie and goldie
rotund surge
What do you guys think will be the most OP/Meta builds this league? like top 3
My guess is that there will be a trap and *a bow-build in the top 5
violet nymph
Bowtrap build
storm crown
Stats stacking is expensive build
violet nymph
Explosive trap will be #1
Which is annoying cause it's what I'm considering most for my starter
indigo wolf
Aurastackers will still be OP build, just its numbers will be lower.
Too expensive to be meta, though
I kind of expect forbidden rites or boneshatter to be up there because the idea of "damage self to deal damage" is kind of new (at least when intrinsic to the skill) and they might have gotten the numbers wrong.
mild ingot
forbidden rites wil def be up there but only because of shotgun
rotund surge
Aurastackers will still be OP build, just its numbers will be lower.
it will be interesting to see how the new mana costs will interact with aura stacking
cunning ermine
I never played baron zombie, but the guy on youtube who did said the build did n...
bro they're fine
go squall life
rustic dagger
which build are you guys starten the league with??
jaunty obsidian
go squall life
any way to translate thst to noob so i can hunt a build?
floral cobalt
Is it even worth using second wind at all for triggered counter attacks ? It doesnt seems like it is cause it results in .04 seconds off Riposte and .06 off Vengance if im understanding this 5% reduced cooldown change correctly.
cunning ermine
get it with highest strength roll
i think u can get influenced amber amulet as well
jaunty obsidian
ah, ok. my main issue i saw was the baron zombie builds i saw used cast while channeling cyclone to desecrate and offering i was thinking it would break with the mana changes.
cunning ermine
u dont needa do that
just self cast it
aids but not mana chugging
that or u dont have to spam it constantly
floral cobalt
looks like pob isnt calculating something right either cause my base CD is .83 and 1.22 for both skills lol, and second wind doesnt seem to get calculated at all
ah shit it cant support triggers rip
i didnt read it
thats why
honest ivy
gotta learn how to read my guy XD
floral cobalt
wouldnt have been worth in the end anyways
burnt flower
Does anyone know when it launches for console?
light adder
Newspost in #old-game-news got that info Tally
burnt flower
Thanks! I don't want to look at builds till after release since GGG kinda threw the entire game into the fire and said fine something else to build LOL
rose pasture
We just found our fun in watching how its all burn
burnt flower
I'm very skeptical of how this league and future will go.
The game just got significantly harder and I don't know if its a very good thing for players who arn't super hard core.
livid apex
They really needed to include some more positive things, but it's understandable if they ran out of time I guess
riff's take was that this would be the windows vista league
infamous among users for being kind of a clusterflop on the user end, but set up changes that were important for what came next
violet nymph
Yeah i agree with that
livid apex
Boy I Hope So
violet nymph
Also the actual league mechanic looks really fun so I'll enjoy it on that level
honest ivy
the main problem is even with the buff to alot of skills which yeah makes them beter early regardless of the health buffs the overall dmage loss at end game just makew more and more gems not worth using
violet nymph
They did actually reduce the gap though
livid apex
most things I've poked at building still have tolerable DPS
hypothermia revert was important
violet nymph
The best skills got nerfed worse
livid apex
and incin bodyswap should still slap
violet nymph
So some underused skills got buffed in comparison
Dual strike + ambush might be the highest crit damage in the game
livid apex
🤔
floral cobalt
i think the league mechanic is going to be fantastic.
especially obtaining uniques.
That unique vendor is really nice.
lucid stone
Dual Strike Bleed is probably gonna be nice?
So did perfect agony builds get kinda shafted with coralito's not granting PA anymore? You have to path to Perfect Agony now.
floral cobalt
if you invest in it probs.
lucid stone
Or use Atziri gloves
honest ivy
real men ambush then ambush to assert dominance
floral cobalt
Ambushing to exert a strike is gonna be sick
honest ivy
i'm going rage vortex ambush
floral cobalt
phase run ambush should work
lucid stone
That sounds good. It should exert every hit on the rage vortex, right?
But isn't ambush dagger and claw only or did I misread it
honest ivy
the duration is about the same and should last the entire rage storm as well
lucid stone
So how is ragestorm just not a better bladestorm
livid apex
Oh shit, ambush is any 1H melee attack, I thought it was just strikes
That makes it so much better
honest ivy
cause bladestorm still has alot of burst capavility
rage sotrm is for those who want an actual good rage build
lucid stone
I'm thinking of doing Consecrated Path totems.
Or if everyone is doing that and it's gonna be expensive, then I guess I'll try buffed SST, now that the pen nodes work and it has like double the damage now
livid apex
SST is the nuts, I think everyone will be trying it
honest ivy
multistrike flicker totems
floral cobalt
the skill gem for ambush does have anything specific required
lucid stone
The totem support only works with slams
lucid stone
If all else fails I guess I can try power siphon totems with the new ballista support...?
livid apex
psiphon heh
honest ivy
ah yes rewarding players too much is the issue clearly
"Retention during the league was poor. I would say it was in the bottom 40% of leagues, a bit below average. And this is partly because for the league, both its combat was a bit spammy and its item rewards were a bit spammy," said Wilson. "These are two things we hadn’t determined during playtesting that became apparent over the course of the league. And so the fact that it was quite heavy with its reward systems meant that players played it for less time than they normally would, and this was quite useful to learn from." [...] "So overall player numbers dipped a little more than they would have done by the third month, which is disappointing, but it’s a consequence of the way that Ultimatum was designed."
tawny pasture
its an issue for sure
honest ivy
i'll give him the spammy combat reason but thats literally been POE for like forever XD
most builds basically just spam one to two abilities regardless XD
it would be cool if there were more i don't wanna say piano builds but
rotund surge
it would be cool if there were more i don't wanna say piano builds but
they want to get to a system where you use more skills in poe2, at least it looks like it
honest ivy
well the main thing POE2 has going for it is every item being able to house 6 links
which opens up alot more viable ability comboes and would promote not wasting skill links on making it say autocast
rotund surge
Uh. Items will no longer has sockets in poe2
lucid stone
How do you make it more efficient to use multiple skills than to just spam the same key?
rotund surge
Skillgems will then have the sockets you can socket your supports into
floral cobalt
yee
keep in mind two from what they said
getting 1 six link will be easier than currenty.
getting two will be harder
soo not sure how i feel LUL
lucid stone
Like, even if something like EE gave 4x the damage, I think people still would prefer the QoL of being able to hold down a key than trying to alternate attacks.
This is especially bad with things that have very high attack or cast speed.
floral cobalt
i think their end goal is to lower attacks and casts per second in general
for more powerful feeling abilities.
floral cobalt
Plus its a lot of server/pc strain as well.
Big reason fps drop alot is cause the wonky animations being played 10 times a second and then on the other end with spells, high cast speel with a ton of particle effects on screen.
Id much rather not hold down a button, be able to move, and have my stuff feel and look stronger.
ashen palm
so.. Leap Slam didn't get nerfed?
livid apex
Stayed about the same, ye
ashen palm
that's insane to me lmao
now we just need to figure out what build to play with leap slam
dusty cove
generals cry leap slam 😛
honest ivy
ambush leapslam ez
honest ivy
when we getting minions that can copy leap slam so we can slma jam with the bois?
ashen palm
never
sadly most supports for phys skills are nerfed
not that it really matters for the bois lategame
honest ivy
just do what GGG does get otu a dart board fill it with ideas and throw a dart blindly
ashen palm
hmmm
honest ivy
if it lands off the dart board play mind control
pls make the mind control build relevant again GGG it's an extremely interesting concept
deep wave
real talk how bad will slam totems be without warcry?
lucid stone
I don't think you can exert totems
honest ivy
we'll just have to see cause they could have wacky interactions
woeful halo
now we just need to figure out what build to play with leap slam
New totem support withs with Leap slam
violet nymph
you can't exert totems
we know this because there is already a slam totem skill, ancestral warchief
inland summit
is 1 exert better than 4x slams non stop from totems?
violet nymph
probably
totems are often pretty itchy for damage though so we'll see
since seismic cry is basically removed totems will probably shine damage-wise now
verbal wyvern
Seismic cry being nerfed 
violet nymph
it's not just nerfed, it's more or less removed
all it does is give area
better to just save the socket
weary coral
does anybody know what act expeditions start appearing?
wooden zephyr
they should start in the coast
slender temple
first area after starting town
young vector
new mechanics since i play are from lvl 1
slender temple
level 2
unless you somehow delevel with regret recipe
you cana't skip leveling to at least 2
tiny quarry
how any hours generally do they ope the queue?
[11:44 AM]
before league start
violet nymph
yeah looks like i'm starting explosive trap
it's too good
possibly 6m dps and i won't even need slavedriver's hand
like 3.5m on a 4l
now that's assuming every single explosion hits out of a cluster trap, which probably isn't realistic, even with the 90% increased area of effect my particular version has
the range of possibility is like 4m-6m dps once i have one of the 6ls
that dps doesn't include flamethrower trap though, which i have no idea how to calculate lmao
which will also be 6led
tiny wind
guys my download speed is super slow is there a way to download the league update before the que starts?
violet nymph
torrent