oh hey ggg didnt touch elementalists always igniting
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rough phoenix
floral cobalt
No more prefix/suffix veiled rolling.
rough phoenix
looks like fire burst discharge is still on the table boys
floral cobalt
if im understanding that right
tired spindle
wait what? what is this reduced damage on area of effect
is that just something to do with the anomalous version?
tired spindle
ah okay. i had never seen that
these new mana modifiers are pretty extreme
wow thats a lot of reduction. geez
that kind of cool
drifting bough
Hey, anyone here thinking that you could use dom blow w/ battlemages cry because it exerts all attacks the first time they hit and use absolution to get both minions with that?
violet nymph
that sounds like a good idea
drifting bough
Use HoP and holy relic with it and i think a guardian with that set up could work.
I imagine it would need decent gear to work.
eager shale
"Act Bosses throughout the campaign now drop fewer but significantly better items." lol we'll see about that
tired spindle
so you can have a veil mod on an item now and also craft one on the gear?
violet nymph
"Act Bosses throughout the campaign now drop fewer but significantly better item...
"better" just means more rare/unique items, less magic/normal items
which basically means nothing important
eager shale
ikr
olive phoenix
Anything great from the patch notes?
violet nymph
getting uniques is nice
tired spindle
oh god
violet nymph
uhh, the buffs to some stuff is really nice
olive phoenix
Still reading them, I just wonder if there is anything actually not nerfed there.
violet nymph
the "specific skills" section is almost all buffs
mostly to make up for the support nerfs
but buffs nonetheless
eager shale
Honestly, all I'm seeing is that they want to increase the grind for us with no commensurate reward for everything taking longer to do
poe already has a problem with it not feeling particularly rewarding regarding drops unless you've gone nuts with pimping out your maps
olive phoenix
the "specific skills" section is almost all buffs
That sounds like a good change. In PoE2 every skill can be a six link. Making it so that gems act more as utility/behaviour modifier rather than just "MORE DAMAGE" sounds like something that could benifit the game.
eager shale
I agree that we need to be slowed way down, combat just isn't fun, but I'm not seeing the rewarding aspect to this yet
olive phoenix
Also, this is a weird question, but does GGG alter drop rate of items every league? Sometimes I see people complain about "maps don't drop often this league" or something.
floral cobalt
wait to see how the league rewards go.
They added in 4 new reward systems via the league
tired spindle
no go for rigwalds with concoction
floral cobalt
Theyre testing rewards
eager shale
i don't count league rewards because those are always subject to change
floral cobalt
If they had the balls to remove harvest off map device chances are the new league mechanics and rewards more than make up for it.
eager shale
I'm talking more about general rewards when no interacting with the current league since that is usually always rewarding
violet nymph
i'm just happy they gave us abyss back lol
floral cobalt
meanwhile in std, time to craft yet another flask belt. Need to harvest reroll prefixes for open suffix, then master craft suffix cannot be changed, then veiled chaos orb it for more flask mods.
tired spindle
oh nice. you get earthbreaker after brutus. im going to start with slam totems this league
the patch notes werent actually that interesting. mostly all boils down to melee all better supports all worse,
inland summit
well
the biggest hit imo for melee or bow is that they took away all the attack speed buffs from quality gems
lucid stone
Catalysts no longer affect the chances of rolling related modifiers on jewellery through crafting, and Quality on jewellery is no longer removed when crafting with specific Currency.
e.e i thought this was the point of catalysts
crisp tree
tired spindle
yea everyone is going to be super slow now
cwdt is just wrecked though. it has a 250% mana so you could just kill yourself by losing your mana for movement skill or somehitng
thin vine
the biggest hit imo for melee or bow is that they took away all the attack speed...
and multistrike/echo are much slower now
have fun dodging
halcyon hollow
For anyone wondering, some lvl20 gems were nerfed to worse than their current lvl1 counterparts
Ele damage with attacks, combustion and slower projectiles for example
minor hollow
6 links still possible? Lol
inland summit
I wouldn't pay multiple ex's for a 6L just for 30% more dmg now for example
minor hollow
Worried about chase items
fathom grail
Interesting choices giving out mass nerfs to immunities too.
And arcane surge seems pretty bad now.
fathom grail
Ya went from really useful to most caster builds to "I don't see this ever getting used"
They even removed heiros immunity linked to it which is just extra funny
floral cobalt
brb making garlic bread
civic axle
Guys, can some1 explain change with “ veiled modifiers no longer count as crafted modifiers” , it was alrdy in 3.14 no? What is the difference ? ty
wooden zephyr
you can't remove crafted mods aisling gives you the incorrect slot (prefix or suffix)
but it means you can also aisling an item w/ a crafted mod on it
so the nerf only really applies if you had 2 open prefixes but didnt want a prefix
fathom grail
I think that will be interesting. Aisling with crafted mods will be nice. I hear we're losing harvest though
wooden zephyr
yes also aisling is getting a massive nerf
aisling bench is going to annul an item
tired spindle
ziziaran is mentally drained from the patch notes
fathom grail
Well lol.... they really seem determined to lower power level, limit crafting and make the game grindier.
I think this league will probably be one of the most unpopular in terms of public opinion.
wooden zephyr
they really dont like any amoutn of determinism in crafting at all; im a little annoyed by the aisling change bc it was a pain to set up and still had rng
and it wasnt like a silver bullet like harvest was
tired spindle
i hope the expedition mechanic itself is fun. it looks kind of tedious
tired spindle
i like the trader that crafts the gear up. that is cool
wooden zephyr
yea im cautiously optimistic
i prefer mechanics like heist and delve over ultimatums anyway so this one is more in my wheelhouse
i dont think that's a very popular opinion tho
devout osprey
lots of room too it looks like, can escape nasty mobs
wooden zephyr
yeah i dont think id want to do ultis again w/o phasing and i dont feel like playing raider again
livid apex
They even removed heiros immunity linked to it which is just extra funny
it's not as removed as inquis, at least 😔
giving it a whirl this league I think
fathom grail
I'll probably skip this league. I feel bad for all the streamers. They sounds really sad.
pale hemlock
you missing out then. so many new skill gems to try out
fathom grail
We'll see. They kinda seemed meh when I looked originally
sullen scroll
Quality not being removed with jewellery seems like a buff
honestly reminded me of oldschool whetstone and armor scrap reforging to do 6Ls
rotund pine
Shield Charge:
Now has the Physical tag.
Now deals 16 to 25 Base Off Hand Physical Damage at gem level 1 (previously 16 to 24), up to 320 to 525 at gem level 20 (previously 190 to 284).
shield charge starter ?
fathom grail
@sullen scroll but they removed what a majority of players were using it for being the whole makes crafting a smidgen easier.
sullen scroll
yeah its more like 20% buff and 80% nerf so its 
fathom grail
Feels like a good description of the entire patch notes.
placid drum
Leaning towards sst .... Yet again.... The numbers seem promising with shield crush built in too
fathom grail
Honestly I'm shocked they went this route. They could have massively buffed monsters and given them effects to mitigate immunity and what not. Making the game feel more challenging rather than making players weaker.
floral cobalt
buffing mosters feels way worse at the bottom end of builds imo
Ive been at that bottom recieving end a ton of times in the past since i only played melee 90% of the time lol
fathom grail
I mean if you look at the notes. You're likely not going to care endgame anyways so either way these are targeting the first 90% of the game.
floral cobalt
also i made pizza instead of garlic bread and the pizza sucked ass, some frozen pizza for $2 i wanted to try. LUL
i need to check reddits reaction for lols
wanton spruce
idk if this is it but sometimes buffing monsters make it harder because its having to calculate more damage then less damage so more processing
inland summit
with the mana cost multipliers and nerfs, probs not going caster. just gonna stick with minions and figure it out
glacial vine
reading through the new notes just feels like they took every single skill gem and tuned it down 20%, which is really annoying because that's not going to stop people who grind all day from crushing all content. Its only going to hurt the casual players who play a few hours a day. then some got hit really hard like impale. these notes are really far out there. a decent amount of melee builds aren't even playable anymore. not sure why they destroyed impale, fortify, and slam skills all in one patch, and plenty of other uneeded changes i haven't even read yet. guess they really want people to play their traps, dot builds, and totems/minions since that's all that hasn't been nerfed : )
glacial vine
+3
pliant ravine
interesting
stoic hazel
3 projectiles but chains 3 times so ... effectively 12 projectiles in a way
If I am reading correctly
Feels bad because my shit build that I have been tweaking and working on for the past few leagues got gutted by the balance changes.
Was running numbers on it earlier and
I gotta find a new build
glacial vine
yup. i guess ill scrap my hh impale champion since they decimated every single mechanic involved in that character
stoic hazel
Crit Cobra Lash assassin
glacial vine
: (
stoic hazel
It was already shit and now it's even more shit
I liked my crappy build. It was a lot of fun
😦
Who knows maybe it will end up being fine in the end
Only time will tell
but from what I see now
It's gonna be wrecked
glacial vine
not sure i like the way this game is going. all the skills that have been meta for the past 3+ leagues aside from elementalist got minor or no tweaks and off meta builds that already struggled to compete are getting destroyed by the new patch
stoic hazel
Mhm
languid zenith
Two things I saw in the Manifesto that aren't in patch notes:
There's no mention of removing small passive medium cluster jewels that roll %Dot Multi, and there's no mention of reducing flask charges gained in maps
stoic hazel
Most of the things I see getting adjusted down are things that were only super strong if you had a very specific set up and even then, you could just ... use one of those meta skills and juice the hell out of your gear
languid zenith
Is there any confirmation if these changes were reverted or not?
glacial vine
i dont mind small changes if you really hate things like impale that much but outright halving the scaling and removing 30% overwhelm from it and damage is overkill
stoic hazel
"increased Poison Duration for each Poison you have inflicted Recently is now capped at 100%"
😢
glacial vine
good god i just got to the flask section of the patch notes
every single flask got decimated what is this
stoic hazel
Poison get a buff to damage which is cool, but the assassin nerf just shreds my build
glacial vine
they just outright removed 40% dot from witchbrew
stoic hazel
And yeah
whoops
guess that's a banned word
Flasks were escorted out of the building with malicious intent
glacial vine
what is this are we sure that the poe devs aren't being held hostage right now? what are all these drastic changes??? they increased enemy health and nerfed every single damage source in the game
bottledfaith doesnt give flat crit anymore???????????????????
stoic hazel
lmao!
glacial vine
?????
stoic hazel
rest in peace game
glacial vine
im convinced that the devs are ridiculously out of touch with their game but i know that isnt true because some of them play the game religiously so what are these changes??????????
glacial vine
exactly lol
languid zenith
50 ex for 10 overwelm was too intense
quaint sentinel
Damage needed a nerf tho, builds went so over the top with damage numbers it negated so many other aspects of the game by just slapping on more dps
languid zenith
They should have done it in a way that actually impacted specifically well rounded endgame setups
and not a blanket nerf that just makes yet more off meta memes unviable
glacial vine
im just having trouble understanding how they're increasing enemy health but significantly nerfing every source of player damage. are we trying to turn this into d3 where it takes 40 seconds to kill one base pack of enemies?
pliant ravine
biggest buff of the league:
quaint sentinel
That's what they're doing, first you have to cut some things down before building things back up
glacial vine
but its not some things
quaint sentinel
Better to cut it way down then add it back in to a suitable power level
languid zenith
Except that just recreates the exact same problem of overperforming outliers and most skills being <0.4% usage
glacial vine
they cut literally everything in half. they're going to lose 70%+ of the playerbase with this league
languid zenith
Subtract from the top
add to the bottom
if they want to slow the game down specifically, reduce player damage in tandem with enemy burst
quaint sentinel
Yeah and this is the subtract part of that equation
stoic hazel
Damage needed a nerf tho, builds went so over the top with damage numbers it neg...
The biggest issue I have with it is they gutted off-meta builds and didn't really hurt meta builds too much.
languid zenith
And putting your game in a position of purposeful imbalance for 3 months isn't a good idea
up or down
stoic hazel
^
quaint sentinel
The biggest issue I have with it is they gutted off-meta builds and didn't reall...
There's plenty of meta builds that are much worse now, from self chill to slams to poison bfbb
All much worse
glacial vine
all the ci dot builds are perfectly intact while almost everything else has been completely removed from the game
languid zenith
Correct
quaint sentinel
Cluster nerfs, support nerfs
languid zenith
but a nerf from 4m dps vortex to 2m isn't a big deal
a nerf from 500k dps to 250k is crippling
stoic hazel
^
glacial vine
not nearly as much as slams, impale, and melee in general with fortify
stoic hazel
Cobra Lash is going to be unplayable after these changes
glacial vine
slams are basically out of the game at this point
stoic hazel
Slams are dead
glacial vine
same with impale
stoic hazel
Off-meta builds are going to be completely gutted, most of the meta builds are going to survive just fine
quaint sentinel
And fort effect
stoic hazel
Sure they get weaker
quaint sentinel
But gained innate skill dmg
stoic hazel
but they are still viable
quaint sentinel
the main loss for slams is just seismic cry
but that everyone knew was going to be nerfed because it was just plain too good
they prob went a little overkill so now its pretty bad
glacial vine
i still dont understand why they're nerfing things like movement speed from quicksilver and adren which literally only helps speed up the game from a snail pace
quaint sentinel
but whatever you can still play your bleed EQ just fine
stoic hazel
I have to go cry into a warm beer about my cobra lash assassin getting cut down so bad it won't be viable anymore without some heavy, heavy tweaking and luck
quaint sentinel
i still dont understand why they're nerfing things like movement speed from quic...
so now you have to figure out new ways to go zoom
look at other passives that grant ms
look at different gear
ways of getting frenzies
etc
makes you have to spend more time thinking about your build
instead of just slapping a flask on it
flask nerfs overall probably too much
glacial vine
exactly. doesnt hurt min maxed builds, only the casual players who cant afford crazy gear and gem setups
languid zenith
They removed like half of non gear movement speed sources (including cluster jewels as passives)
quaint sentinel
theyre balancing the game for the middle 50% of the playerbase
who cares what the top 1% are doing, theyre always going to have some abusive mechanic and spend time farming tons of currency
the game is figuring out how to either get to that point
or just find a way to enjoy making a build that fits the current game
glacial vine
my only issue is that they took so many builds off the table. and outright removed flasks from the game.
quaint sentinel
i dont think there were that many builds that were completely deleted, well outside of spellslinger/coc/cwc
desert dust
NO MORE COLD CONDUCTIOM SELF CHILL
wooden zephyr
also cold dot
slender relic
I'm afraid of mana :(
glacial vine
generally when i think of game balancing i think either you add to the bottom or subtract from the top. with this patch it feels like they just cut off the bottom. guess they got confused in the process.
quaint sentinel
archmage is p dead
until someone figures out a new skill to combo with it
now that it works with triggers
quaint sentinel
generally when i think of game balancing i think either you add to the bottom or...
I dont think they cut out the bottom at all, they removed things pretty universally and dealt with the most popular archetypes all at once
slender temple
@quaint sentinel mjolner archmage
quaint sentinel
you can still play your off meta builds just fine
theyll do less dmg but so will eveyrthing else
some of them may be slightly better in comparison
like shield based builds
SST and the new shield skill look pretty nice
wooden zephyr
i think there is a point to be made about meta builds still doing "enough" damage while off meta builds may not be doing enough damage to nicely clear things
snow willow
"Modifiers on items that Trigger a Skill now have a 100% Cost and Reservation Multiplier, unless stated otherwise". ------- They mention nerfing all triggers in the manifesto but I don't see it in the notes. Keyword is ITEMS. I can't find anything about gems. Can someone clarify?
wooden zephyr
like there's a dps threshold under which you hate yourself
wooden zephyr
"Modifiers on items that Trigger a Skill now have a 100% Cost and Reservation Mu...
skill gems will have a 100% cost on trigger
unless specified otherwise like cast on death
which is 0% pog
snow willow
where does it say that? @wooden zephyr
quaint sentinel
quaint sentinel
thats why the manifest and notes go together
wooden zephyr
they explicitly stated it in the manifesto so
looks like coc and cwc will be 100
crystal remnant
anyone want a very casual partner to start the league with? no 14 hour days, just 8 hours of party play at the start of the league
snow willow
not coc. we assuming at this point.
wooden zephyr
As mentioned on the livestream, most triggered skills now cost mana. This was changed to add an additional opportunity cost to Trigger builds, as they already bypass various restrictions like Cast Time. Some triggers have higher costs than others, most notably Cast on Damage Taken, which previously had no cost at all, outside of taking up sockets.
quaint sentinel
covert nacelle
ah I misread.
wait..
ah.
hopefully I misread in a way that is actually a misreading
cuz before it said "grants immunity to bleeding and corrupted blood" and "removes bleeding and corrupted blood"
quaint sentinel
immunity probably means it removes - like being immune to curses opposed to unaffected by
wooden zephyr
yea
eager terrace
they're just separating the two effects
so you get immunity to one but removal on the other
quaint sentinel
tbh i think the plan for league start is to play an ascendency that has built in MS if youre worried about the game feeling slow
covert nacelle
but why would the original flask have both, for both?
quaint sentinel
I think its just a wording thing
wooden zephyr
all these changes making guardian look spicy
covert nacelle
wait I answered my own question: instant flasks
quaint sentinel
idk the new absolution skill could be fun too
covert nacelle
now that it's a set duration, the flask being instant doesn't rely on "during flask effect"
wooden zephyr
is my starter
covert nacelle
absolution is probably the most reliable new skill
wooden zephyr
blade trap looks daaaaam good
covert nacelle
since it's pretty much just spell dominating blow
wooden zephyr
i think blade trap will be very strong
covert nacelle
hm. I just realized you can do spell cascade with absolution
since it works on the minions now.
quaint sentinel
oh yeah blade trap
looks very nice
esp since claw and dagger nodes are so close to trap nodes
barely any travel at all for lots of dmg
covert nacelle
you can use 1h swords now too, if that ends up being better.
quaint sentinel
i have a howa blade trap pob im working on
covert nacelle
might just be a case of paradoxica + coated shrapnel for me.
quaint sentinel
someone mentioned using the hidden blade with it
for lots of aoe
but the dmg sounds questionable
covert nacelle
yeah idk about that.
midnight phoenix
coated shrapnel is a pretty bad jewel, u can cap poison pretty easily without it even with no poison gem
it gives a mediocre amount of flat phys which is good for paradoxica but really it's something where if pob is telling u to use it, it's probably a sign that u dont have enough flat on the rest of ur gear
covert nacelle
shrugs fair enough
midnight phoenix
but hey sometimes especially early league u dont have that good gear
so maybe its ok to have 1 on this particular build? im not enthusiastic but do feel free to try it
quaint sentinel
yeah idk trying to scale poison, traps, and dagger/claws all at once sounds like too many points
midnight phoenix
oh im sure thats possible
covert nacelle
there's a lot of pretty efficient stuff you can do when you don't have to worry about attack speed
some spicy threads of hope
midnight phoenix
this is the basic tree i had for claw poison pf blade trap
trap nodes are nearly all terrible for noncrit poison so u just ignore them
u can take the method to the madness cluster if u want to drop damage somewhere else and want the chaos res
frank barn
anybody know what i can use for reliable mana leech for Shield Crush? For testing with Shield Charge, neither the passive tree nodes nor leech jewels work for mana leech, but Prismatic Eclipse does. I've also tried the mana leech craft on an axe and that also doesn't work. This was tested on standard about 15mins ago
Trying to look for other options that aren't Prismatic Eclipse, mostly for SSF
covert nacelle
mana leech doesn't work on shield charge?
frank barn
only with Prismatic Eclipse
covert nacelle
that.. doesn't sound right
frank barn
Jewels and Weapons do not work
violet nymph
if you have mana leech it absolutely works with shield crush
frank barn
passive tree also doesn't work
covert nacelle
well, I meant tree stuff
frank barn
i'd assume it'd work with shield charge too, but it does not
violet nymph
a single mana leech node will be enough sustain for a shield crush build
frank barn
and if it doesn't work on launch?
because it doesn't work with shield charge right now
quaint sentinel
howa blade trap WIP
violet nymph
because it doesn't work with shield charge right now
what's your dps with shield charge right now
quaint sentinel
can prob cut some trap nodes for more ES
honest ivy
so they basically just buffed mob health early game
frank barn
i'll go relog and check, sec
violet nymph
i'm purely talking about pob
violet nymph
in game do you have mana leech via tree
quaint sentinel
is it possible youre missing or just not doing enough dmg for it to register?
inland summit
is community fork updated?
violet nymph
do you have enough damage to actually kill things in ba
frank barn
3k dps
violet nymph
yeah no
covert nacelle
rounding error?
violet nymph
you won't get much leech from that
frank barn
wouldn't matter if i killed or not, it'd show a leech
unspeccing and respeccing has it working now though, apparently?
guess i'm just crazy lmao
need to find other ways apart from tree to get leech anyways thats not prismatic
quaint sentinel
SST also looking spicy as a build
frank barn
they both should be p good, yeah
frank barn
6 to 8 per 15 armor/evasion
honest ivy
so did heralds just not get touched i don't see anything about them i don't think
wooden zephyr
herald of purity nerfed indirectly w/ the links
idk about the others i havent played em
but mana reservation changes are annoying
frank barn
so did heralds just not get touched i don't see anything about them i don't thin...
mana multipliers
honest ivy
well with the poison changes herald of agony could potentially make a come back
frank barn
probably not with the multiplier nerfs
they're pretty bad
p sure spellslinger is gone
main skills tied to res will probably have to be on 5ls
winter bay
So does spell slinger cost mana to cast the spell?
honest ivy
you'll see people using stuff like kitavas bloodlust to cast spells
violet nymph
spellslinger gets no changes except now it also costs mana to trigger things
winter bay
Kek
honest ivy
or whatever it's called i foret the name
winter bay
Poet prn is back baby
frank barn
spellslinger changes are affected by the support gem mana multipliers
winter bay
Poet prn*
honest ivy
that as well
frank barn
so spellslinger costs more from the mana mults
winter bay
Pen*
honest ivy
i'm fine with it tbh it promotes finding more interesting spell loops
and with us getting more and more self damaging spells/skills it'll be easier to achieve those loops
honest ivy
hence why i said people would use the head piece instead
livid apex
psa: ruthless may not be able to support minions anymore
only strikes and slams work with it now... for some reason
honest ivy
it's not a 6link but 4 link with no mana cost is still gonna be gucchi
winter bay
At least never anywhere close to server crashing level ever again
I mean, wait a minute, the original forbidden build scale inc poison calculation to crash server, that might still work
Scale inf* poison
livid apex
assassin poison is capped now so idk
honest ivy
^
sullen scroll
so GGG is pretty much dumbing down support gems too so we can't use stuff like Ruthless for melee minions?
honest ivy
i'm excited to see how good shield crush is early
sullen scroll
i mean i feel like this should have been a thing before so we know if we can or can't use support gems to prevent future brine
but i'm resigned myself i can't do 24 challenges anymore and label myself a casual poe player now
winter bay
Damage is capped I know, but the original build is server crashing because it's a fuck ton instance of poison calculation all doing little dmg
honest ivy
yeah server crashers aren't damage based it calculation or graphic based
winter bay
Too much back ground math for server to handle
sullen scroll
so the servers are dying from too much math?
honest ivy
and i'm sure people will make server crashers with like storm arrow poison builds or some dumb stuff like that XD
sullen scroll
sounds like something i'd see in 2meirl4meirl... like those AIs which automatically resorted to becoming suicidal when its fed the internet data
winter bay
Kek
sullen scroll
don't forget the kicked for performing too many actions because you're sorting stash or 'piano flasking'
winter bay
sounds like something i'd see in 2meirl4meirl... like those AIs which automatica...
Which is exactly the premise of avenger 2
sullen scroll
what flasks would you use for explosive concoction?
honest ivy
imagine not going so fast you physically kill everything take no damage and kill your PC all in one
flicker strike is a fun end game skill 🙂
sullen scroll
ambush looks like something you'd want for flicker strike or cons path
honest ivy
i'm using it for my rage vortex build
sullen scroll
flicker then ambush so flicker has ruthless + ambush bonus damage
honest ivy
see the problem is end game you'll be reproccing flicker so fast ambush will ahve no time to actually proc XD
i mean ig you could use it as a pure start thing to almost guarantee the crit for frenzy charge
which would get you going alot easier
woeful blade
GGG: "This is pretty much everything, aside from a few self-explanatory changes"
also GGG: "Catalyst crafting isn't a thing anymore, btw."
honest ivy
are we also forgetting this gem? You can no longer obtain Level 21, 23% Quality Gems outside of the Incursion Temple and specific Divination Cards. Chests/rewards that previously would have given a Level 21, 23% Quality Gem now instead give a Level 21, 20% Quality Gem.
sullen scroll
GGG: 🙂 I'm reworking Catalysts. 😃 Tane: People will still use me as Vendor NPC right?
GGG: 🙂 😟 Tane: Right?
woeful blade
are we also forgetting this gem? You can no longer obtain Level 21, 23% Quality ...
That I don't mind at all, let 21/23's be exclusive to the Lapidary Lens.
sullen scroll
oh yeah that i can understand though
if you want that min-maxing you gotta risk it all
i heard before some people were getting 21/23 from heist & delve?
honest ivy
which they should still be able too there are people who only delve for example
livid apex
gating certain refinements behind certain mechanics is totally fine
it helps keep them distinct
honest ivy
yeah but for a lot of people getting 21/23 gems is a huge power jump for them which helps them finish their builds especially if they need stupidly expensive pieces like farruls
honest ivy
in some cases yeah liek my flicker strike league starter for example it gave me wayy more clearing potential
which unfortunately moght not be able to run anymore due to the raider onsluaght changes but eh
woeful blade
I know that ultimatum was giving me a 21/23 gem as a reward every 15-20 maps, it was kinda busted
...ugh, that catalyst change just massacres metamorph as a viable farming strategy
honest ivy
well yeah it hsouldn't be that easy it was fine pre ultimatum
woeful blade
Attack and Caster catalysts are going to be worth less than perandus coins
And even life, def, and prismatics are gonna be like, half the price
Now the only way to burn through catalysts is to screw up your quality type
And since there's no penalty to it, there's no reason not to only drop 4 catalysts on a white base before crafting
For way cheaper
Why bother putting metamorph on as a zana mod? The only thing you exclusively get from metamorph is going to be worthless within a week of league launch
livid apex
happy noises for SSF, I guess.
woeful blade
They didn't even say
livid apex
no justification given iirc
woeful blade
There was nothing in the balance manifesto
And no sidenote in the patch notes
which means, by the blanket statement at the end of the manifesto, that it is somehow "self-explanatory"
proper widget
arent catalysts boosting stats OP enough without them also making crafting way easier
woeful blade
and it's even a mixed bag for SSF, because catalyst crafting is really powerful, and now the only way to modify an item with weighted values and not reroll it completely is Harvest
Oh no, 1-3 of the mods on my 4 pieces of gear that can get them has a 20% increase
So OP
And it only took me 4 catalysts to do it because there's no reason not to catalyst white bases before crafting anymore
At top price that's like 20c in previous leagues
proper widget
sounds like its a great change if i can actually use them now from a price perspective
woeful blade
If they decided to nerf the stat boosting, sure, maybe I could get it
But now if you don't want to reroll or spend multiple exalts on your item, the only way to perform weighted crafting is Harvest.
livid apex
they’ll hit harvest again soon enough
proper widget
poe2 will remove harvest hopefully, along with some other crafting systems
woeful blade
Weighted crafting is the future for POE gear crafting
Not completely random, not deterministic
livid apex
they just made aisling bench remove a random mod
even though it’s a random veiled slam
woeful blade
It's how you can still aim in a direction without getting a guarantee of success
proper widget
weighted crafting is kinda cheesy and crafting in poe is insanely OP already, it needs way more nerfs
proper widget
its an ideal world where a top item you drop is worth randomly exalting even if its unlikely it gets better
woeful blade
weighted crafting is kinda cheesy and crafting in poe is insanely OP already, it...
You literally got a 20% increased chance on a single tag. How is that OP?
tired spindle
i just realized something. with the base melee gems getting so much stronger added levels are going to be way more huge compared to supports so that helm that gives +8 levels to the gem is going to just be like best way to support your attacks
woeful blade
Harvest was deterministic. You could go through the motions and surgically create items
proper widget
20% on 1 thousand alts is a substantial amount of currency
woeful blade
...
Did you ever use catalysts? They're destroyed when you use a currency orb on them
You lose all of the quality after a single roll
proper widget
its also just on the edge of being noticeable, yet making it higher would be even more OP. weighted crafting is just toxic
no i never used catalysts because they're too expensive lol
woeful blade
1000 alts would mean over 40,000 chaos spent on weighted crafting
livid apex
weighted crafting is good shit if it’s expensive but reliably obtained
woeful blade
reliably is a stretch
proper widget
fossils i can appreciate but even they make crafting too strong
woeful blade
RNG is the only way to drag out endgame crafting, weighting should be a semi-reliable and more expensive way to boost your odds
livid apex
reliably enough that the goal of actually getting a tangible improvement is usually within your grasp for some piece of gear
woeful blade
fossils are a shining example, with the exponentially scaling price of higher socket resonators
proper widget
items worth more than 5ex in current market should be drop only
woeful blade
items worth more than 5ex in current market should be drop only
WTF? no
woeful blade
What's the point in investing in your gear if you can find something better just lying on the ground in a map
proper widget
thats the point
livid apex
cut this devil’s advocate crap out
woeful blade
So your point is the entire focus of endgame character improvement in the game and the economy that runs on it is irrelevant to the game as a whole?
summer zinc
Any thoughts on if Spectral Shield Throw will be actually good for this league?
livid apex
Any thoughts on if Spectral Shield Throw will be actually good for this league?
extremely
probably zerk
summer zinc
Zerk?
livid apex
berserker (marauder ascendancy)
summer zinc
Ah gotcha.
proper widget
high level crafting ruins the market and indirectly ruins the game, an exalt is almost never worth randomly using on an item unless its already extremely expensive, yet crafters just pump those out by spamming better-weighted systems
summer zinc
I know my friends were saying Gladiator I think?
livid apex
high level crafting ruins the market and indirectly ruins the game, an exalt is ...
gear is PoE’s progression and progression should not just be pure dice rolls, I would absolutely rather let an elite few have stupidly strong stuff than have my gear upgrades be “I hope this drops”
proper widget
whens the last time anyone ever chaos crafted their gear
woeful blade
I've done it often in situations where it gave me the best options, but why is it essential for players to use the least efficient, most random system to make their top-level gear?
livid apex
also: random good item drops mean the elite get more of them because they can crank out a stupid amount of items with quant
proper widget
idk why its 'essential' to have top level gear
woeful blade
Ok this is a troll
proper widget
also: random good item drops mean the elite get more of them because they can cr...
this is already the case, elite players get more of everything including currency to buy/craft gear
livid apex
so why ruin my crafting to nerf them
woeful blade
Ah, my bad, it's just an SSF purist
floral cobalt
damn going through the rest of the changes
they really nerfed Facebreakers again lol
livid apex
with current systems I can work my way up to a shot at crafting my ideal item, like a multi ES mod marble amulet for a CI guardian
woeful blade
My point is, weighted systems allow players to invest in ways that make their gear more likely to benefit the build they're actually playing, and thereby are healthy to the point of necessary for a game with as high a level of minmaxing as POE encourages
livid apex
difficult to create, many permutations, only one ideal one but many good ones I can settle for
floral cobalt
i guess not soo much for melee in general but yeah. thats a sad little change.
woeful blade
Harvest is too far, you should not have a 100% reliable straight road to an item, but fossils, catalysts, and weaker harvest crafting means you can spend more currency for a better chance at what you want, and not the perfect helmet for some build you don't play.
proper widget
in your playtime up to red maps how often are you actually IDing a rare item that is very good to sell or hard to replace in the market
if crafting was hard nerfed, dropped items and the random stuff you get would increase in value substantially
woeful blade
No, it wouldn't, because until red maps none of the items have the mod pool for that level of gear anyway
livid apex
why should I prefer that
woeful blade
ilvl 85+ is only in max tier maps
trim bridge
no clue what to play this league. played spectres, BA ele and ele hit raider last league
livid apex
why is it better for my fortunes to pivot on whether one good thing drops
proper widget
some people prefer using the market to liquidate their items to increase their value, i'd prefer if values were hard locked and hard to exchange
woeful blade
This sounds like someone who just wants to play roulette
summer zinc
no clue what to play this league. played spectres, BA ele and ele hit raider las...
Can I interest you in some..... Spectral Shield Throw?
proper widget
why are you so set on having deterministic cop out systems in a loot game
livid apex
there’s also Luck be a Landlord if you want to play a literal slot machine
because it’s good gameplay
summer zinc
Also even the crafting requires you to actually get the loot.
woeful blade
What am I supposed to do if I find a mirror tier minion helm and have no interest in playing a summoner? Not sell it for currency to work on things I want?
proper widget
good gameplay is when your time in any given map is rewarding
livid apex
I want an rpg with random in it, not random with an rpg in it
woeful blade
^
proper widget
running 50 maps to maximize your value is anti fun and why speed is such a problem
summer zinc
Can we please just end this conversation.
woeful blade
So, instead, you want us to have to run 300 for even a remote chance at an item we want?
summer zinc
No one is going to change their mind and it's just back and forth bickering.
livid apex
yeah probably should
woeful blade
You're making the problem worse, not better
livid apex
he’s either trolling or actually brain damaged
woeful blade
Deterministic crafting is not healthy, or what we mean
Weighted is not deterministic
livid apex
on the topic of league start, I’m thinking incin cwc bodyswap instead of absolution/reaper
it got nerfed a couple ways but I’m curious if it still holds up
floral cobalt
Current crafting system right now is about 10% RNG, 90% Deterministic.
If you know what youre doing.
livid apex
thinking hiero with arcane surge node, even though it got nerfed
taking anointed flesh to compensate
floral cobalt
Problem is most people dont want to learn crafting so they just say "its RNG gamble".
proper widget
maxing my char in 3 trips to the trade site and 200 maps is soo fun and meaningful
floral cobalt
Besides the fact that Harvest also functions essentially as an eternal orb, if you have 3 prefixes or 3 suffixes, you can continue to indefinitely roll them without ever bricking it.
Thanks to prefix/suffix reforges
livid apex
if you want ssf play ssf, end of conversation, can we talk about something else now
violet nymph
it might be deterministic but it's still rolling a bunch of dice at all points, it's just that you aren't ruining your item at most of the steps
it's still prohibitively expensive most of the time
livid apex
aaaaaAAAAA
violet nymph
which keeps people like me from trying
floral cobalt
certain mods are 100% guaranteed within a pool. You need to think of this objectively. You pay nothing to roll all those deterministic crafts.
Is it really asking a lot that when you do have what you want to spend 2ex on a mastermod ?
I dont think so.
proper widget
mid range items are worthless so early into a league, u just remove rares from ur filter if u can play the game at all
craft or buy is poes item meta rn
sullen scroll
I've been playing Chronicon since 3 weeks ago
violet nymph
i only play starter builds for the most part, so i just buy all the items i need lol
there's no context where crafting would be fun for me even if it was good
floral cobalt
And youre free to do soo but that by no means means its bad. But i can tell you right now youd save currency by doing it yourself and learning the crafting system.
summer zinc
God please can we talk about Spectral Shield Throw instead of crafting.
What should I level while I wait to play SST?
honest ivy
shield crush duh
violet nymph
And youre free to do soo but that by no means means its bad. But i can tell you ...
how would i save currency when most of the items i buy are 6l uniques and res/life gear, i don't usually have any influenced gear at all even by A8. all the items i buy are like 30c or less besides whatever 6l or unique i need
summer zinc
Yeah that makes sense.
honest ivy
and wiht the potential multi hits there;s a good chance for good early mob clearing
and just run something like heavy hit for bosses
proper widget
heavy strike does 300% dmg or something i wonder if its viable again 😩
covert nacelle
the traitor, anyone?
tired spindle
I'm definitely league starting with totems. They didn't really get any noticeable nerfs
honest ivy
this is most definitely a trap/mine/toem/ballista build season
who needs to play anyways? amirite?
tired spindle
Auras and heralds going to be way more important this league too. They do way more % of your damage bonuses now
hollow osprey
I'm going Shield Crush Glad
I'm gonna play it the same way as I play uh... Lacerate Glad
tired spindle
Like hatred is just the biggest source of damage you can get now with increases to auras
It's going to be crazy how good aurabots are this league
slender temple
well
inland summit
auras left untouched def means if you dont run any you are super hampered
slender temple
empower, enhance, bonechill, and some other supports they use were increased in mana multi
they weren't untouched
like 10% more to 40% more mana cost in some casess
inland summit
I didn't see changes to their mana multipliers, you mean linking them?
terse sinew
Did they touch enhance?
slender temple
i didnt look deeply into it but empower alone is 140% now and was 125% before
enhacne is 120% now
terse sinew
They increased empower mana multi to 140
slender temple
was 115% before
inland summit
I know empower is pretty much mandatory for minions; single handedly the highest dmg multiplier considering the nerfs
slender temple
yeah well its fine for minions
since you dont pay the mana cost passively
its just resummoning
bold stone
Almost looks like mana pots are back on everyone's bar
inland summit
does everyone linkk their auras to enhance/empower?
slender temple
4 quartz + 1 mana . all with remove curse on them
thats how i will play
idk
divergent determinatoin is quite juicy with enhance though
iirc
bold stone
According to patch notes warding is dead
bold stone
No the suffix on potions
bold stone
Just says warding no longer removes curse and the notes end
bold stone
Like what
slender temple
wait waht
sec
i thought it removed but wasnt g ranting duration wiht immunity
The "of Warding" Flask Suffix no longer grants Immunity to Curses during Flask effect.
yeah i was right
it still removes the curse
but no longer grants immunity
bold stone
I'll sit a season out see how it works
slender temple
it wlil be fine
and next league imho they will nerf defenses
because i think 3.17 gonna be poe2 beta
if they making a giant sweeping set of changes like this now
they have been promising to do this since 2019 exilecon
bold stone
As a bad player who can never do end game I'll be even worse off
slender temple
get better then 😄
record your boss fights
and figure out why you died etc
come here and ask for build help
people are nice
hollow osprey
Farm more to get more exalts
More ex means more DPS
Get a mirror, you won't complain about anything anymore
I played this game for 3 years now, and let me tell you, there's nothing more money can't fix
slender temple
getting mirror is bad advice. its kind of rare ;p
bold stone
I've seen about 15 exalts drop in all my years playing never a mirror
slender temple
flipping / crafting and grinding hte trade market you can buy a mirror though
i dont see them reversing any of these nerfs
hollow osprey
I've seen about 15 exalts drop in all my years playing never a mirror
the keyword here is "drop"
you need to actively get better items and sell them
slender temple
15 exalts is alot of drops
question is
how many exalts did oyu make crafting, trading
doing services
bold stone
I've also corrupted a kaoms armor to 50% damage and made it 8 ex
slender temple
thats not a good way to earn currency unless you have other sources and you can plan gambling % of it
its like 1/50 or 1/70 chance to hit a good corrupt on most stuff
slender temple
follow the leader on poe.ninja. i do taht. i dont have time to smarts to figure stuff out from scratch
i make janked version and it works
tired spindle
Also unqiues like facebreakers are going to be real good this league. They didn't get much bonus forrom more effects anyway
bold stone
I went to path of salt and no ones was salty in there
slender temple
guy is saying hes gonna skip a league and im saying why not learn some new skills like the trade market
bold stone
I was upset
slender temple
honestly if you are playing SC trade (which i do) you should learn trading its how you can make an amazing build
rotund surge
Cyclone buff, I knew it, because it gets a new mtx!
woeful blade
facepalm
Cyclone got a slight buff because it's a melee skill to compensate for support gem nerfs
slender temple
im gonna spend first 2-3 weeks of league trading and doing stuff for currency
woeful blade
But sure, that's why
rotund surge
sure sure
slender temple
then ezgame
bold stone
Awake brutality got massacred
slender temple
why worry about that
hollow osprey
Alright chat, Boneshatter or Shield Crush
slender temple
thats alot more than 15 ex just for that gem
slender temple
it might drop in price maybe but i doubt it
hollow osprey
You can;t dual wield shields YET
slender temple
there isn't a better alternative to it
bold stone
Just run heavy strike now
slender temple
no..
hollow osprey
there isn't a better alternative to it
Yeah Alt qual skill gems might get more pricey thanks to woke gems nerfs
woeful blade
Prolly
slender temple
Yeah Alt qual skill gems might get more pricey thanks to woke gems nerfs
in some cases yeah and thats great. but they need to increase the sources for those......
proper widget
heist 🤮
woeful blade
I can agree with that
hollow osprey
I mean some Alt gems are superior to their original counterparts
bold stone
Heist and delve are my most played content
hollow osprey
Divergent Multistrike
woeful blade
I bet you like the cells map too
hollow osprey
Yeah I love Cells map
proper widget
cells map sustain 😩
hollow osprey
I like indoor maps more than outdoor maps
bold stone
No but I really hate arena
woeful blade
Only with blight scarab
I love how they massacred catalysts and then put metamorph in as a zana mod
hollow osprey
How are catas massacred?
bold stone
I like the cata change
woeful blade
They don't affect crafts and aren't removed
bold stone
Can use 4 on a white then craft it and always keep 20%
woeful blade
Yeah, that's the problem
hollow osprey
Wait you can;t change them anymore now?
woeful blade
fertile catalysts are gonna be worth like 2c a month into the league
You can change them, but they don't weight crafts and crafts don't remove them
last axle
fertile catalysts are gonna be worth like 2c a month into the league
Way more
bold stone
I never knew they weighted before I saw the notes
woeful blade
Way more
Nope. You only need 4 per base, and you can't use them for weighting life mods
last axle
Nope. You only need 4 per base, and you can't use them for weighting life mods
??? So what, its 20% more life
proper widget
u can justify using catalysts on ur gear and not have to sell them
woeful blade
But now we've lost our only non-harvest craft weighting that isn't a reroll
And you don't use up catalysts, so 80% of their use is gone
that's going to trash their demand
proper widget
ya pretty sure the top end crafters make up a small part of the playerbase
everybody else just wants more stats but catalysts are stupid expensive
full granite
"Introduced a new Utility Flask - the Gold Flask: Grants increased rarity of items found. This item has been added to the core drop pool."
wth is this? what for? better add quant flask lol
proper widget
this flask is pretty funny lol
rotund surge
ya pretty sure the top end crafters make up a small part of the playerbase
I bet there are more people who never craft items (excluding stuff like flask and maps) compared to people who craft
hollow osprey
Man I want to be positive for this League but so far the playerbase has dissapointed me
woeful blade
I'm mostly excited
hollow osprey
Like can we all stop be negative for like.... 12 hours
woeful blade
The idea that dps racing won't work as well is a very good thing
flask rework is great
If they didn't remove catalysts from functionality I'd be 100% hyped
hollow osprey
It's still going to be DPS heavy for me, maybe even more
languid jackal
can totems place mines?
hollow osprey
My playstyle has always been glass cannon
woeful blade
you mean softcore league
hollow osprey
Yeah
rotund surge
can totems place mines?
no
proper widget
what melee skill u starting with
woeful blade
The terms are synonymous
full granite
dont you get tired of dying in the 90s?
woeful blade
even with the new totem changes?
The new totem changes just added a slam totem. Is there a slam mine skill?
hollow osprey
dont you get tired of dying in the 90s?
Once you died like 100 times you don't feel stressful anymore
proper widget
totems have a strict limit, idk how mines placing totems would really work
rotund surge
even with the new totem changes?
I did not hear anything that would indicate that totems could now place mines, but the patch notes are out and you can read them yourself, if totems can place mines it stands in there
proper widget
what if they make a totem that places mines
hollow osprey
Internet fault? fuck that shit
full granite
right, but the exp penalty gets quite severe 😦
languid jackal
well we have a spell totem and a pyroclast mine is tagged with a spell
full granite
fair enough
languid jackal
so i dunno, was just asking
rotund surge
it's only severe post 90
But the game does not start before lvl 95 and you unlocked the entire maven atlas?
hollow osprey
Why do i need to unlock the entire atlas
full granite
more shiny!
hollow osprey
Why tho
rotund surge
So that the grind is over and you can finally start to play the game
full granite
tbf you dont need to unlock it all, it may be in your interest to keep some maps uncompleted
hollow osprey
The real reason why I don't care about the nerfs is because this League gave me so much shits to toy with
Good shits
rotund surge
A good shit flushes easily, but I think all this will stick
full granite
what an analogy..lmao
hollow osprey
Shield Crush looks like it has good AoE
Pls tell me GGG didn't use increased AoE in the preview
....They fucking used it didn't they
Those bastards
slender temple
nah
they said they did unscaled skills in demo vids
so that they dont give false expecations
since most people will play the skills 2 or 3 linked
and some just 1 linked
slender temple
remember before this act1 buff
only half people even passed brutus
now that numberwill be lower
hollow osprey
Doubt that
woeful blade
...You do realize that that statistic includes people who have added the game on steam but never played it, right?
hollow osprey
Hmmm I think I knew why Ultimatium League has less player than other Leagues. Now this might be funny as fuck
rotund surge
Its true, but for every play who ever played poe and not for a specific league. Meaning that half of all people quit poe before brutus.
woeful blade
and people who decided poe wasn't their style from the first area
hollow osprey
But our country got hit by another Covid wave so our internet cafe shut down
slender temple
=\
hollow osprey
Which probably contributed to that amount
rotund surge
Also its an older statistic
slender temple
who knows
you can't gate the quality of statistics too much i mean its literally how people sell statistics too claiming x y z data points. yeah its not accurate cuz of some reasons but
its still a good indicator :d
woeful blade
Ultimatum's biggest flaws were the way they handled the Trialmaster boss, and the lack of chase items
hollow osprey
Ultimatium's biggest flaw is that Ritual exists
slender temple
hah your telling me. i am obsessive about challenges. i was done everything around 9 trialmasters beaten. i finished league with 23 trialmasters beaten so i could get 40/40
hollow osprey
Ritual is basically a safer Ulti
rotund surge
Honestly, you don't need the statistic to know that 1. most people don't like the campaign 2. most people never progress very far in a league from the point of view of people who clear the atlas.
slender temple
chris said at exilecon that the biggest problem people who quit, have is that they improperly link their skills
or dont link their skills
so they will just shove gems into their iarmour without paying attention to how it works
hollow osprey
Also it's funny how people said Act 1 will be harder than other acts when ACT 6 EXISTS
slender temple
they want to adddress that with teh poe2 gem system
yes
im excited for this change
i will sit in global 1 just fro this league
hollow osprey
Like JESUS CHRIST ACT 6 IS BRUTAL for newcomers
woeful blade
POE is a game for the few, and the campaign weeds out most of the people who aren't going to enjoy what the game has to offer
grave valve
act 6 is just a resist check
woeful blade
Also srsly? What's so bad about a6?
grave valve
it's not that scary
hollow osprey
res check
slender temple
its a rseist check
woeful blade
oh, lol
hollow osprey
and also DPS check
grave valve
go buy a two stone ring and toss an alch on it and you'll be fine
woeful blade
I usually get thru a6 with my league starter in less than an hour
slender temple
0 dps nodes on tree
rotund surge
They should have introduced adventure mode a long time ago, delve would have been perfect.
hollow osprey
if you don't have enough DPS for that act you won't be able to do anything for the rest of the game
honest ivy
if you were doing completely fine in act 5 it's legit pretty much just getting your rez back up and you're golden
woeful blade
Only place I'd die is brine king, he's kind of a wuss
rotund surge
Most campaigns I only die to new league mechanics
slender temple
i usualy try the new league mechanic in the first area
die horribly to it
then skip it until i ahve some basic working version of my build around level 30ish
then i cautiously try it
woeful blade
Never do league mechanic in the mud flats
slender temple
i do cuz
i wanna see the story
plus there is alwalys a challenge for failing it
woeful blade
That's more guaranteed death than hugging Sirus when he says "DIE."
slender temple
so i feel good knowing i have made progress
sirus hasnt killied me in a few leagues. but i have died to his storms at least 5+ times every league. specially when THE TEXTURES ARE MISSING hahahah
hope t posing is fixed for friday.
woeful blade
You know what I would love to see
slender temple
ill pray to chris wilson for textures to work
woeful blade
Sirus in the elder, shaper, and uber elder fights
slender temple
yeah
all 4 conq + sirus
as maven crucible fight
i was expecting it tbh
dissapointed it wasn't a thing
woeful blade
Their fights are more about the arena than the crucible
slender temple
thats why they are the conqs/awakener now
woeful blade
It did, but the fights are already merely a memory brought out by the Atlas
Shaper is dead, Elder is sealed
slender temple
thats like asking. how come we can't put an end to zana when she was a child to stop this whole thing from starting in teh first thing so the high templar didnt go to the atlas
and then shaper follow him
after he unlocked the elder
maybe alva can help with that 😄
woeful blade
I love Sirus' character, and he is the big boss of the current state of the atlas
slender temple
he isnt though
woeful blade
Specifically I want his final sacrifical strike against uber elder to be in that fight
slender temple
maven is
woeful blade
Sirus is the end of the story, maven is their own thing
woeful blade
I have talked to Kirac
slender temple
you havent TALKED to kirac 😄 sec
woeful blade
But the Maven doesn't add to the story of the atlas
slender temple
yes
woeful blade
But the story of the Elder ends with the Sirus fight
woeful blade
It's valid, but it's a different story
slender temple
you can't say "nyah nyah im staying in 2019"
woeful blade
wtf
slender temple
maven is the current endboss
slender temple
yes
then maven shows up because of what sirus and friends did
hence continuiation
inarguable
woeful blade
I'm not arguing that
rotund surge
there is not enough different boss/atlas content in the first 6 atlas tiers.
slender temple
and maven is even stronger and now her progenitor is coming which is another continuation
eventually lwe will be breaking 4th wall
and we willl be summoning NEETs
to fight
in a few more years
woeful blade
I'm saying that because the Sirus fight is so huge to the story, I want to see Sirus in other places where he would be
woeful blade
Alongside Zana in the Shaper and Uber Elder fights before they begin
slender temple
Chilli Con Carne Gas field!
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Fending off, or at least appearing to help fend off, the monsters the Shaper sends towards Zana during their battle
And in the end of the uber elder fight, the Elder nearly breaking free of the Cosmic Arcana, and Sirus sacrificing himself to keep them both contained until its sealed
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so we started by klling leaders.
part 2 we awoke gods ok killed htem
mapping we chased down demigod wizard trying to stop eldritch horor. we clap both of their cheeks
next up we fight atlernate versions of ourselves who ahve ascended beyond the gods
next we fighting an eldritch being capable of treating gods as toys to copy and play with.
next we gonna encounter said eldritch being parent(S). what is after that? hahaha directing type 4 civilization against another one?
id love poe RTS
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Those little moments would turn Sirus from a random endgame boss into a character we actually want to help, and make the idea that he would even raise a hand against Zana a lot more meaningful
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if yo have steam version
ther are like 50+ audio files for each conq and sirus
telling their story in great detail
its in .ogg format
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Or you can just read their journals in the citadels
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works with vlc
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After you beat them
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they're not random tho
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you can listen to them in order
well ive never done more than liek 30ish of one conq in a league and i never click the journal
pointless argument
teh audio files are there if you want them and poedb has the text
its very interesting
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As long as you actually open them, the first four fights are the elderslayer's journals, and then the killing fight for each of them is Sirus's journals
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and yeah sirus was ni teh void and time flowed differently he ascended weay beyond the conquerors who also wre time warped
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I've read them all, and specifically, I've read the lore entry for the Saviour
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veritania for example has like 49 audio files of her talking. starting normal and slowly descending into madness as you reach the last one
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The Saviour is actually one of the coolest parts of Sirus' lore, imo
Or, at least it could be, if I read it right
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The Sirus anyone knew died ensuring the Elder was sealed away
What was left afterwards was little more than a shell wrapped in cosmic power, devoid of emotion or purpose
Only the will to live
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like after we killi the maven's parents when they bother us this december
sirus should materialize with the conqs
and thank us
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There's a theory that Al-Hezmin is also affected by the being behind Delirium mirrors
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It has a name in lore?
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yes
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Bummer
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tangmazu is not added in 3.10 either
he was responsible for solaris vs lunaris conflict
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I remembered that, but I thought he was intentionally left without a name
Fits his nature better
Nenet is the only character in the game to directly acknowledge his presence
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well
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Which fits very well, as a thief specialized in perception who also has a fatal attraction
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in teh datamined files
it says tangmazu everywehre
and it was pretty obvious from the start
trickster god
that never directly appearing
working from shadows
good lore series
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I knew it was Ralakesh's brother, just never knew they had an official name in lore