std sorted. dont need to visit again for 3 more months. ez pz
#1┃mirage-league
slender temple
proper widget
it will be easier to freeze/chill enemies now
floral cobalt
yep
proper widget
oh that seems like a good way to organize
my std has 15 leagues worth of tabs i dont like going there
slender temple
yep makes it easy to sort after league ends too
floral cobalt
yooo you can make folders for tabs now ?
ill have to check that out i never even noticed.
empty crystal
Is a good method to sort in standard yeah 😄
floral cobalt
Ima have to do that now.
empty crystal
I mostly trash the map stashes in there.
But still gets confusing if you haven't checked for a few leagues, or like forever.
empty crystal
Yeah my standard tabs were horrible when I configured that a few leagues ago 😄
dreamy spear
Hey, Soulrend buff, I was planning on playing that
empty crystal
The part where they buff rarely used skills should be longer imho.
But Soulrend could be fun yeah.
dreamy spear
Firestorm will be new meta though
empty crystal
How they wrote it was nice too haha
Sounds like they buff it every league until someone plays it 
May be awesome.
dreamy spear
All of soulrend support gems will be hit though, I think. All pretty much pure damage supports
violet nymph
i'd like to see the math to see if firestorm beats fireball for damage yet
empty crystal
Will be interesting to see the patch notes for support gems.
Also since too few ppl play poison, that's still very great.
empty crystal
That's why I usually check #1┃mirage-league and #1┃endgame-help . It's just different.
Also less crowded.
floral cobalt
yay! Ultimatum folder organized how i had it in league woot.
floral cobalt
i'd like to see the math to see if firestorm beats fireball for damage yet
old firestorm used to be soo good, i hate the new version.
Also dunked on frames but if that what it took to release the hammer of dawn, i didnt mind LUL
steep dock
hmmm Charged Dash + Cast on channel + Voltaxic Burst
tranquil aurora
Buffed SST with jewel baked in... niiice
steep dock
SST?
tranquil aurora
Spectral Shield Throw
floral cobalt
im just sitting here fully organizing standard stash tab now
pulling stuff out of old tabs and putting em into appropreiate tabs
empty crystal
me too 🙈
I feel kinda silly. But I want the stuff where it belongs.
Not that I would use it in standard...
floral cobalt
god why did i hoard soo many fragments
i have probably over 500 atziri pieces alone
god help me LOL
empty crystal
You get a feeling how great stash tabs are again 
woeful halo
Buffed SST with jewel baked in... niiice
Loved that build with threshold jewel way back, might try again this league
empty crystal
So much small stacks when you pull the stuff out, horrible.
good thing I haven't so many inscribed Ultimatums laying around.
olive phoenix
I am somewhat of a casual player. Do I understand it correctly that pretty much every build has to be reworked before the league starts?
violet nymph
what do you mean
olive phoenix
well, flasks are changed, so def layers have to be adjusted.
most used support gems are nerfed, some to the point of needing a replacement.
empty crystal
Some builds need a change. Some are rather unaffected.
olive phoenix
Some builds won't be able to run CWDT anymore.
empty crystal
Still some builds will play like nothing happened.
Because they only added flask on top. Never had defense
olive phoenix
God.
empty crystal
If you kill stuff fast, that's also good for defense!
young vector
im justhappy my crackling lance inquisitor didnt get mega bashed
empty crystal
What's dead can't kill you, mostly.
olive phoenix
I was thinking of doing wintertide brand occultist
but I got celestial herald and I want to get my money's worth, so I'll have no find a good single herald build.
young vector
non damaging elemental alignment clusters are gonna be expensive at league start me thinks
empty crystal
It's always nice when the new build matches the mtx. But I don't think I care so much this league 😄
inland summit
fam, can you use ballista support without using a bow by any chance?
young vector
crackling lance mtx is garbagio, sad
empty crystal
fam, can you use ballista support without using a bow by any chance?
Supports any bow or wand attack skill
so probably only bow and wand?
inland summit
yeah, it works with bow or wand skills, but do you need to have a bow for the ballista to use said bow skill?
empty crystal
Good question indeed...
inland summit
thinking of putting ensnaring arrow on it for my reaper build, but dont want to actually use a bow XD
honest ivy
so uh flameblast amirite?
empty crystal
having it in an axe now "skill can't be used"
I think it uses the restrictions of the main skill
empty crystal
depends, ensnaring arrow doesn't work without bow 
may be the same for all bow gems
on the other hand, seems to change when linked, weird
honest ivy
good thing my original build plan is basically unphased 😄
cause it uses majority new gems anyways
empty crystal
inland summit
I'm just going low effort elementalist carrions + reaper and grind those maps
honest ivy
going rage vortex shield crush ambush and trying out behead support
steep dock
Gonna be starting with Blade Trap, then I might try a Charged Dash + Cast on Channel + Voltaxic Burst for memes
inland summit
going rage vortex shield crush ambush and trying out behead support
sounds fun
inland summit
Gonna be starting with Blade Trap, then I might try a Charged Dash + Cast on Cha...
I dunno much about traps, have no idea how different these are to others
honest ivy
with the shield skill changes shield crush might be a viable AOE clearer if i wanna store rage
inland summit
oh damn
inland summit
thats a lot of dmg potential XD
steep dock
If I can get a Sanguine and a Bino's
Gonna stack Bleed + Poison crits
and maybe a random impale support for lulz
inland summit
that sounds dope too
steep dock
Just have all the things
inland summit
I just took a past carrion elementalist build of mine, took out 2 support gems and my 2nd cold iron and it was clearing white t16's easily. so the reaper 20 less dmg is going to be inconsequential for clear
so now I'm def going reaper + carrion elementalist
inland summit
they gonna be fine for clear which is what I want them to do anyway
floral cobalt
league seems great for trappers, mines, totems just off a mechanics pov
steep dock
yeah ima prolly try a Forbiddin Rite totems too
floral cobalt
Totems def still super strong but ultimatum monsters were on crack and killed totems pretty quick lol
just too much monster speed and crap
steep dock
Ultimatum was... yeah
inland summit
I went pulse totems in ult, went 36/40. it was great
freezing helped with keeping them alive
steep dock
I had an Elementalist discharge build I was trying at the end of Ultimatum
inland summit
cant imagine any other spell with em for the ultimatums themselves
steep dock
Had like 13-14 charges by maps
inland summit
thats a lot of dmg
steep dock
Kitava was getting 1 shot phased, but ultimatum mobs would take like 2-3 to die
in T1 maps
was Ignite focused too
Shaper of Flame to ignite them with all the damage
they were so much tankier than anything else
honest ivy
see to me the meta will actually revolve around more 4 skill links cause teh added utility supports prolly won't do much
steep dock
possibly
next epoch
every time I post this image it becomes more and more accurate
steep dock
I'll still probably try to 6link my main skill though
empty crystal
No one shall play what is meta 
rough phoenix
overall im excited for the league
and seeing all my currency disappear into the wind
empty crystal
As always.
honest ivy
sad part is i'm 99% sure the meta will still just be toxic rain lmao
steep dock
lol perhaps
honest ivy
poison assassin toxic rain bam
inland summit
i'm thinking slam totems gonna be brain dead strong
honest ivy
well yeah multistrike works on totems now
rough phoenix
unfortunately these guys are maybe 70% of my damage, so thats going to be rough
inland summit
I hope they don't touch that scaling, it seems like a fun mechanic
but it has become very meta I hear
rough phoenix
they havent mentioned it at all in the manifesto
idk about it being very meta
checked poe ninja and there were maybe 500 people using siege ballista
inland summit
aren't a couple skills using that strat of accuracy stacking?
empty crystal
But is probably what GGG intended with it, so fine.
inland summit
I wish that replica wasn't so expensive
rough phoenix
if you think the replica is expensive
honest ivy
i really wish i had the PC to run POE without it dying every 3 minutes XD
rough phoenix
take a look at the jewels socketed into it later
inland summit
I can only imagine
empty crystal
i really wish i had the PC to run POE without it dying every 3 minutes XD
No problem. This league needs less power because you won't make it 3 min 
rough phoenix
late into the league a double accuracy rolled abyss jewel can probably run you about 5-10 exalts
pure blaze
Im gonna run a build that is pure suffering and agony at first
inland summit
lol
honest ivy
true gonna die to the tutorial mob surely
pure blaze
Cyclone forbidden rite. Cwc
empty crystal
true gonna die to the tutorial mob surely
I hope not. But let's find out.
pure blaze
A roving vortex of homing projectiles
rough phoenix
and if i want to max it out i need a 1 passive voices or two
honest ivy
god imagine if you even had to pick a certain character to get out of spawn XD
violet nymph
Well. I'm considering running rage vortex second.
inland summit
when they say private leagues are now available, it just means you can pre purchase them before release to have em on day 1 right?
honest ivy
i'm going maruader so it all depends on what they do to his starting gems
empty crystal
yep
violet nymph
37 radius aoe and objectively better cyclone for way cheaper
rough phoenix
3.15 isnt even out yet, so im assuming its like that
empty crystal
just to configure private leagues
inland summit
k
light adder
when they say private leagues are now available, it just means you can pre purc...
"You can now create Private Leagues for Expedition, ahead of the league's launch on July 23. These leagues will not begin until Expedition launches."
inland summit
I love how civilized this channel is compared to poe channel XD
honest ivy
also am i the only one who looked at vall ground slam changes and thought "why wouldn't i just use base ground slam then?"
steep dock
well you see, salt isn't allowed here
empty crystal
It's lovely. You don't have to type like crazy.
steep dock
Pepper only
inland summit
lol
empty crystal
also am i the only one who looked at vall ground slam changes and thought "why w...
I have that all the time with vaal spells 😄
honest ivy
yeah but like the guaranteed stun is what made it useful
honest ivy
and then they just took away what made it a vaal skill pretty much
empty crystal
Uhh. I hope unnatural instinct is cheaper this league.
empty crystal
honest ivy
imagine GGG rolling back the servers whne you get a mirror drop lmao
rough phoenix
funny how i just stockpiled 40 ex to buy an ele hit base
and now its gotten the vaal brick treatmentt
empty crystal
🙈
past obsidian
It's not worth it to go crit on a shield build right
It seems so difficult to get crit on tree
honest ivy
i'm going crit with ambush and shield crush
violet nymph
i've got an RT setup for the shield stuff, just waiting for pob update with skills and tree
honest ivy
see i'm going maurader cause shield crush is my secondary skill
violet nymph
i wonder how many mirrors i would need to make this impale CI trickster shield crush tree actually do damage to endgame bosses lol
tinkered with it a bit but yeah
not gonna do damage ever
devout osprey
couldnt some points be saved by going scion?
sour thorn
So did i read that right? Golem elemantalist keeps the 35% chance per golem too avoid elemental ailments.
But just loses some damage?
violet nymph
literally the only reason i was like "trickster? yeah that's an idea for shield crush" is because of the evasion scaling stat for ghost shrouds
there's absolutely no way it'd work as impale lol
you'd need to do ele convert
but there's no way that would do damage either lol
slender relic
So did i read that right? Golem elemantalist keeps the 35% chance per golem too ...
No it lost all ailment avoid
native sonnet
The Hierophant and the Pathfinder retain some level of Elemental Ailment mitigation, while the Inquisitor and the Elementalist no longer have any at all
hollow mason
Ull better drink less flasks, guys, drinking flasks causes to hallucinations 
slender relic
Haha, that's a significant change...
violet nymph
what the actual fuck
amber finch
not a fan of the changelog
slender temple
thats a level one gem
violet nymph
ggg what the actual fuck is this
violet nymph
yeah, the SHIELD SKILLS are gonna be too powerful
native sonnet
yes, and blade trap changed to work with 1h swords
violet nymph
reminds me of incursion when they nerfed incinerate before the league came out
garbage
slender temple
yes, and blade trap changed to work with 1h swords
saw that. hope saviour is cahnged tow ork with traps
amber finch
also onslaught nerfed to the ground
hollow mason
thats a level one gem
yep, lvl 1 gem, already got 40% less nerf 😄
slender temple
hehehehehe.
hollow mason
heheheheh
u know what, they did almost everything i want, but in very wrong way 😄
traps buffed, but in wrong way i thought
steep dock
wait, didn't shield crush have ES crit scaling before too?
slender temple
ill come in after its been properly analyzed
violet nymph
wait, didn't shield crush have ES crit scaling before too?
no
slender temple
ill pay the learning price hike on trap build items i dont care im not gonna start with traps
steep dock
I must have hallucinated that then
hollow mason
i mean, i played on traps after incursion, i know hows they works
violet nymph
they changed that for SST for 3.15 too, they have 5% base crit now
hollow mason
i played le poch for a week
movement skill still better, also, we all could use whirling blades on weapon swap now 😄
slender relic
Second wind nerf is probably the most over the top imo
hollow mason
thanks to battle royale
slender relic
Of the movement related nerfs
hollow mason
its more archmage manabuilds related nerf
amber finch
why does GGG hate my time?
hollow mason
and warcry related nerf
u hate your time 😄
ull just progress bit slower and end with less maps done in hour
amber finch
the game is already a giant time sink and a grind and they want us to be even slower?
why do they balance the game according to twitch speedrunners
fallow canopy
dont think that was their intent
it seems like they have a clear direction as to where they want the game to be, and this isnt it
expect more nerfs in the upcoming leagues
hollow mason
well, poe 1 needs ms nerfs to become poe2
fallow canopy
exactly
amber finch
might have to stop playing then- the loot is already shit at the current speed, so going even slower is going to bee a nightmare
hollow mason
i see it clearly, but i dont want poe be that slow as last epoch
waxen spire
Last Epoch is slow?
amber finch
people play poe because they like zoom zoom
hollow mason
last epoch is way slower
fallow canopy
last epoch is slower yea, grim dawn is horrifically slower as far as the campaign goes
hollow mason
but on other side - u have good ward, which doesnt dissipates after single hit, u have overleech and uncapped leech rate and great melee skills with good aoe
amber finch
zoom zoom is good in moderation
hollow mason
well, poe never lost zoom zoom
amber finch
we do i want to fight longer to get less loot?
wary stratus
man, GGG is sneaking all sorts of skill gem changes in post-reveal it seems
Eye of Winter got buffed
hollow mason
but poe could totally lose those rest 11k players that prefer HC and HC SSF over SC
wary stratus
it went from 25% added damage effectiveness to 40%
violet nymph
i really don't like that they're changing stuff like this days before
waxen spire
we do i want to fight longer to get less loot?
They're not nerfing drops 🤔
wary stratus
probably several other skills got changed too, I only noticed shield crush and eye of winter so far
hollow mason
last changes to stuns against mobs great example, hows mobs could easily stun u
hollow mason
wait few leagues - they buff it
main question: how many leagues needs for firestorm
fallow canopy
lmao
waxen spire
I reckon this league will be like Heist, so many reiterations within the first 1-2 weeks.
violet nymph
not sure why they keep inflating the more damage number instead of adding more base damage
waxen spire
Not the mechanic itself per se
hollow mason
they avoided increasing damage effectiveness due to archmage - arcane cloak, right
i think, according to viper's dam calcs excel tabels, they think that base damage decent
hollow mason
not sure why they keep inflating the more damage number instead of adding more b...
i think, we could scale that more damage numbers with hypnotic jewels or with doryani touch or with just battlemage bino poison inquisitor 😄 idk
storm rose
so it is better to keep second wind at level 1 now
or im i reading it wrong
24% reduced cdr vs 5% at level 20
wary stratus
dash? no
flame dash, maybe
dash is going to be pretty soundly sitting at ~2.1 sec CD endgame for most people 2.5 / (1 + 0.19) = 2.1
hollow mason
noope, they nerfed fortify effect
tired spindle
They should of just removed fortify from champion ascendancy so you can't get it on ranged builds. Melee builds need that fortify
hollow mason
no idea why you type that insult 😄
fortify is same good, u could even put fortify effect nodes points into smth usefull
rip basalt and granite flasks tho
wary stratus
I was under the impression melee was salty about casters using fortify, not.. bow builds playing champion for fortify, lol
hollow mason
that was the meta on hc, which mode playing 10k players total, when they nerfed defences 2 times
and since we got new defences nerfs - champ fortify archers strikes back
but champ is slow
I still under impression hows strike skills not being changed and hows non-awakened multistrike still exists in game
light adder
Onslaught effect, not onslaught itself
violet nymph
"-10% ms/as/cs = dead notable"
amber finch
I honestly dont have anything to look forwards to in this league
the expeditions look kind of a pain
amber finch
They're not nerfing drops 🤔
if you kill less shit in the amount of time, you get less loot
the loot is also garbage btw
sour thorn
Mhhh hopefully flameblast will be buffed by a lot
lilac saffron
Copium
sullen scroll
Would Blade Trap be able to deal damage reliably? Doesn't the blade only spin in a single spot to where it landed?
woeful blade
Flameblast actually might've taken a massive hit, since triggered skills cost mana now. Dunno if it ever had a mana cost, but if it does you need mana stacker levels of mana sustain for it
woeful blade
Is that possible?
sour thorn
Yeah totem flameblast is called pizza sticks
woeful blade
Flameblast is an essence mod for staffs that procs on-hit
I don't think it could be self-cast
woeful blade
it is, I was thinking fire burst
sour thorn
Ah ok
inland summit
the only thing I'm incredibly bummed about are the quicksilver flask nerfs
rotund surge
just woke up, did they hit minions and/or aurastackers?
inland summit
they hit generic damage support gems, so phys minions got hit on that front heavy
rotund surge
Ah, Carrion Golem got hit then, sad
inland summit
well, all minions really. minion damage support now cuts 25% of the supported minions hp
so overall, all minions are less survivable, and now some spectres will be even less playable
plus all minion instability builds got hit hard
rotund surge
Did they buff anything significant? Looks like, we start with a new skill and hope that it is over tuned?
midnight crest
DID i've read that post correctly ? (had finally time)..
We wil have way more benefits with gems on lvl 1 than on lvl 20 ? 😄 WTF IS POINT exp them then..
Who brilliant idea of all nonsense ever it was...
Also RIP raider..
floral cobalt
yeah they buffed gems up at lower levels and some at higher levels or about even
some got nerfed down obviously but yeah
better scaling at lower levels for some should be nice
rotund surge
I thought they wanted to make the early acts harder, why buff low level gems?
maiden coral
to offset nerfs a bit
wary stratus
well this is mildly tilting
PoB crashed and replaced the build I was working on with gibberish
entire file is just NUL bytes now
tfw you have to completely remake a build 😡
wary stratus
.. somehow I managed to recreate my build and it does more damage now despite definitely missing some pieces, I am confused
oh I'm dumb, wrong support gems, that's why
marsh oracle
livid yarrow
peopel are saying its like 16 hours until patch notes are released, witch is weird to me, are they releasing stuff based on us timezones or something?
barren crescent
PDT
or rather, NZ working hours
Patch notes prolly come out in afternoon of kiwiland time
maiden coral
Dannig come to me
barren crescent
you got manifesto today so 
maiden coral
We have about 14 16h for notes
livid yarrow
yes and now i want more, im a greedy boy
floral cobalt
yee patch notes will be out later today.
My sleep schedule is fucked right now so its pretty much not long after i wake up LOL
violet nymph
all i saw and what interested me on the livestream was summon reaper
rotund surge
I hope, that aura stacking will be possible with reaper, with possible = good.
broken canyon
Is anyone excited to play shield throw? I think I'm the only one lol
maiden coral
all i saw and what interested me on the livestream was summon reaper
head empty, except reaper and battlemage cry
slender temple
My sleep schedule is fucked right now so its pretty much not long after i wake u...
same
pseudo snow
do we know yet if the new blade trap skill benefits from only trap nodes, or does it summoning a copy of your weapon mean weapon-specific nodes can apply? example I'm thinking of: if I go for a poison dagger blade trapper, would it give the poison chance/crit strike multiplier from adder's touch?
normal kraken
do we know yet if the new blade trap skill benefits from only trap nodes, or doe...
yes, dagger nodes will benefit blade trap when used with a dagger
also generic attack damage modifiers, but not melee damage ones
gray ravine
im not getting this part about the manifesto - so they're just straight up removing onslaught from the raider?
is it getting replaced by the old system of chance for onslaught or just straight up removed?
normal kraken
im not getting this part about the manifesto - so they're just straight up remov...
wasn't onslaught effect the mod removed?
gray ravine
?
normal kraken
yeah, they aren't removing onslaught
they removed the 50% increased onslaught effect on the same node
gray ravine
oh
but it's not getting tagged to avatar so you're basically getting 50% less onslaught effect in total
right?
normal kraken
ye, the second node still has 100% inc onslaught effect
white mural
raider league it is for me
or maybe scion tectonic totems or or seismic trap, which was amazing for me already before
crisp vault
Shield crush gonna work with unarmed?
drifting bough
Maybe? So long as you are not using Hallow palm it should.
Face breakers could work.
crisp vault
Facebreaker shield crush glad seems dope then
pearl prairie
Facebreaker says unarmed attacks, you attack with shield
tired spindle
Shield attacks don't usually work with facebreakers
They attack with your shield
Also not sure how you expect to use hollow palm with a shield since you need to have no shield equipped
crisp vault
that's pretty self explanatory, so what weapon for shield crush? something like jack the axe for bleed version and whatever with high crit multi for pure phys?
indigo wolf
Apparently spellslinger keeps its current reservation AND costs mana to trigger.
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/onw6bp/ggg_what_about_spellslinger/h5uh2jh/
tired spindle
To be fair spellslinger is a busted effect. Getting 10 links worth of skills should take that kind of investment
pearl prairie
that's pretty self explanatory, so what weapon for shield crush? something like ...
Some stat stick, depends if you go impale or some ele conversion tho
full granite
anyone else feel bytching about elementalist losing ailment avoid, while raider gets to keep half 🤣
empty crystal
not until I know which notables around starting location change. But likely raging after patch notes 
spice charm
anyone else feel bytching about elementalist losing ailment avoid, while raider ...
they threw a bunch of darts at a whiteboard and just went whole hog on them.
empty crystal
Don't tell others GGGs secret nerf procedure
indigo wolf
If consecrated ground doesn't give crit, do you think inquis will gain that from ascendancy (rather than it being intrinsic to cons ground)?
(Meant Inquis)
maiden coral
what does consc ground do for a normal person now if crit goes away
glacial vine
so they nerfed flask movement speed, every build that scales on hit with crit, sulfur flask for no reason, took onslaught from raider. But forgot to nerf the dot builds, totems, and minions, that fill the top 100 players. the devs just seem really out of touch. you would think when 80 of the top 100 players are playing ci dot it would tell you maybe this is a bit stronger than most other things. but i guess not.
indigo wolf
Life regen, I guess
They should add a new effect to cons ground that it cancels out other detrimental ground effects
So it's not complete ailment immunity but you wouldn't be affected by burning/chilled/etc grounds
eager charm
why do people think raider lost onslaught, she lost onslaught effect means its weaker
glacial vine
guess everyone is just going to play dot builds this league since they just took half the build options off the table. and they nerfed elementalist but not the part that breaks the game, golem stacking 👍
indigo wolf
Yeah, that's onslaught change surprised me
eager charm
um...they did nerf golem stacking
indigo wolf
I did initially read it as losing Onslaught, but losing only 50% onslaught isn't a big deal IMO.
pearl prairie
I would wait for patch notes with judging everything
stuck ridge
is tonight patchnotes?
indigo wolf
Elementalist doesn't gain damage from number of golems (I think that's what it was)
eager charm
doesnt gain damage and golem effect +100 %(no longer scales with number of golems summoned)
so its a nerf at 5+ golems
eager charm
is tonight patchnotes?
roughly 10 hours or so
spice charm
Patchnotes being like our second shot of bad news lol
But you'll be immune for a few months after it kicks in
empty crystal
That should be enough to handle. Good thing they usually don't do in-league nerfs.
barren crescent
Patchnotes being like our second shot of bad news lol
manifesto is just a warning shot
rotund crescent
Is the new league any good?
empty crystal
It may still be PoE 
sweet osprey
Is the new league any good?
Ask again after anyone has actually played ;)
hasty perch
so its a nerf at 5+ golems
Yeah stacking golems and primordial uniques to get silly buffs isnt a thing anymore
Shaper of flames still there tho
inland summit
I wonder how bad having spellslinger cost mana now really is.
empty crystal
You don't wanna know.
From the reddit thread where GGG replied* it reads like they even put a higher mana multiplier on it in addition to the mana cost.
spice charm
essentially it feels like the right hand doesn't know what the far right hand is doing.
empty crystal
Kinda.
inland summit
They upped the multiplier as well? I’m so baffled i’m chuckling.
Endgame spellslinger builds didn’t have any mana left I presume?
inland summit
Hm
I bet auras are gonna get nerfed as well given the trajectory. They don’t like pure damage from gems anymore
Or flasks for that matter
fringe umbra
SO patch notes eu time when?
spice charm
When the bells of the GGG devs office begin to chime, and they release white smoke from the stacks will you know the patch notes have been released.... and all bloody sanity is lost in 30 minutes.
violet nymph
"why doesn't ggg communicate on reddit anymore?"
half the reddit threads are snarkily making fun of ggg
drifting bough
They buffed dot damage on poison which to me makes no sense. They buffed it by 50%. Its gonna run rampant this league Hard
random stream
When the bells of the GGG devs office begin to chime, and they release white smo...
It is 3ish am in NZ
violet nymph
They buffed dot damage on poison which to me makes no sense. They buffed it by 5...
they did this because they think poison is actually in a good place, but you're forced to play PF/assassin usually so they also nerfed those two
which is actually a fantastic change
drifting bough
Yeah it is. But now i imagine deadeye will have fun with certain poisonbuilds.
violet nymph
raider as well
berserker maybe?
any fast attacker
i haven't played scourge arrow in a while, maybe i should start with it
random stream
tbh, deadeye with mirage and focus fire ballista all going poison sounds fun
violet nymph
split arrow on one bow, barrage on the other
with barrage focus ballistas
oh no i want to play it
random stream
😉
violet nymph
actually pure barrage has pretty good clear with the threshold
violet nymph
Yeah it is. But now i imagine deadeye will have fun with certain poisonbuilds.
it's not going to run rampant, it's basically just negating a lot of the nerfs that are coming to it in general. hit builds will still end up doing better than it in most cases
violet nymph
welp, they're murdering spellslinger
it won't be played this league and get buffed next league probably
🤷 glad i never played them lol
rotund surge
I bet auras are gonna get nerfed as well given the trajectory. They don’t like p...
pls no
violet nymph
i wouldn't mind them nerfing the overtly powerful ones
(but buff the weak ones please)
i can't believe they refuse to touch aurabot even though having one nullifies all the nerfs basically
rotund surge
honestly, we don't know if aurabots will not be nerfed.
And they would need to literately nerf them into the ground, since most groups run with three different versions of "aura"-bots around.
There is no middle ground for groups that play these high end groups
violet nymph
good, honestly, if they were nerfed
but i feel like something should be done to nerf aurabots specifically, while making auras actually better for people that use one or two on their regular builds
like... heavily reduce aura AoE
so much that you have to invest in aoe on the tree if you want people to not randomly fall out of it while you're playing
rotund surge
If these groups would not abuse the economy so much. There would be literately no impact on me personally, if people decided to play the boring ass gameplay that is poe group play.
If you truly and fundamentally want to nerf group play, reduce rewards people get in group play.
violet nymph
Group play should definitely exist, but aurabots power people tenfold
lilac saffron
Its just about the rewards really
violet nymph
To be honest the actual solution is that aura effect mods should be massively nerfed in all contexts
lilac saffron
Selling juice to groups is better than running it
Its so stupid
Imagine a set of scarabs sells for 50c and gives you 40c on average if you run it, but if you run as a group it becomes 2ex value
Its warping every single league economy so much its insane
ionic summit
But how do they fix it without making me playing with my friend feel like garbage
shell river
its fine as is
limpid oyster
is it normal that they buff or change skills so close to the release?
limpid oyster
hm true
wary stratus
"a bit rushed" that's literally every league, lol
void wing
It's not unexpected.
wary stratus
even when GGG is ahead of schedule they're still scrambling to fix things last minute
it's just how they operate
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3 months of development time is only really enough to get each league like 90% the way they want it, that last 10% of polish takes as long as the first 90% so they just don't bother, it'll get fixed later, maybe
violet nymph
is it normal that they buff or change skills so close to the release?
actually yes it is normal. they have a history of this and have had for years. They are doing balancing stuff right up until patchnotes drop.
wary stratus
it's only really concerning when they're doing balance changes after the patch notes come out, because at that point it should be done already barring massive problems that slipped past testing
sinful wren
so the gem spellslinger is not a gem anyone so they should remove it right?
wary stratus
probably better off just pretending spellslinger doesn't exist until it comes up in patch notes again in a few months
sinful wren
oh they should remove the reservation if it cost mana
fallow veldt
Yea and got damages auras...
sinful wren
so then keeep the reservation and change the text for trigger spell to something else because if it does res mand and cost mana spellsilger is a laugh stock to use now
like if they dont change anything I want to see next patch spellsilger is removed
fallow veldt
Poet's pen still exist
sinful wren
yeah plz remove spellslinger if thats the argument your going with
timid geyser
is it normal that they buff or change skills so close to the release?
Main thing to keep in mind Balance/QA is like the last major step for major patches so this ends up happening every now and then. tbh it really isn't a huge deal.
dusty cove
lol, just wait for patchnotes before going full meltdown
copper kernel
we already went through a few meltdowns
prisma cedar
so what builds are people planning to play this league? inspire me! 😆
copper kernel
ed/c
wooden zephyr
im thinking absolution guardian
i was gonna play edc but my friend said he wouldnt play w/ me if i did
fast coyote
Need to see patch notes
dusty cove
fire traps / explosive traps
prisma cedar
I was considering tryin vortex instead of arc
dusty cove
maybe something else if some of the nerfs are not too bad on other things
wooden zephyr
@jovial pecan spin
jovial pecan
<@!198541906345459713> spin
Rain of Arrows
wooden zephyr
thank
inland summit
we can expect patch notes at the same time as yesterday's manifesto release right?
rotund surge
so what builds are people planning to play this league? inspire me! 😆
I wanted to play Raider, but then I would build for aliment immunity and then I can't fully experience the new flask system. So, I will go a ES char that can have 5 fully automated Flasks and see how good/bad it is and how absolutely annoying it actually will be to set up.
prime ocean
why does GGG suck at league start
livid apex
what do you mean by that
rotund surge
why does GGG suck at league start
it is their kink, so don't shame it.
empty crystal
You never experienced any blizzard launch if you think GGG sucks at it.
indigo wolf
I'm going to guess those flask orbs are about as rare as veiled chaos orbs and about as effective as getting your preferred veiled mod from an aisling unveil (before this current nerf)
livid apex
error 37 gamers where you at
indigo wolf
Which is going to be acceptable RNG for people who understand the game but useless for average players outside of buying what they wanted outright.
empty crystal
Buying flask in trade.. good idea 😂
Probably cheaper than the orbs.
Except for the 1 time a challenge wants you to.
indigo wolf
Last league actually I was surprised to find out that relatively easy to craft flasks could still sell for like 10c after a month
rotund surge
You never experienced any blizzard launch if you think GGG sucks at it.
lets be honest, the ultimatum launch, was the worst launch i ever had in ANY game. Even after the queue, you where constantly rolled back in the next days, making it impossible to play.
empty crystal
It sure was a highlight of the most f***ed up launches.
Never been closer to take a bite out of my keyboard tbh.
rotund surge
I think it took me 2 days (each around 5-6h) to get to act 6
empty crystal
I started late and still quit after 3 disconnects at Merveil.
Blizzards you're not getting through queue is probably better than those rollbacks.
rotund surge
Which is going to be acceptable RNG for people who understand the game but usele...
the RNG sounds abysmal. Since the enchantment you get, "on what condition it triggers", seams to be 100% random. The best way is probably to buy a flask with the correct trigger-enchantment and then craft the rest of it. But that means getting the correct automated uniq-flask will be rage inducting, especially if these orbs are rare/expensive.
empty crystal
why does GGG suck at league start
you wrote that in every channel? wtf
inland summit
Except for the 1 time a challenge wants you to.
do we know the challenges yet?
empty crystal
I think only the rewards, not the actual challenges
indigo wolf
There's probably going to be a challenge about using a flask orb
empty crystal
Most likely yes.
indigo wolf
Since they tend to have something like that for new currency to "introduce" players to the concept
eager charm
you wrote that in every channel? wtf
yea he did. cause what else do you expect people to do? Not be a living salt shaker?
indigo wolf
For the, like, 1% of people who don't follow the game outside of the game but still actually look at challenges
empty crystal
yea he did. cause what else do you expect people to do? Not be a living salt sha...
True true.
leaden storm
yea he did. cause what else do you expect people to do? Not be a living salt sha...
psh it's not even salt since it hasn't even happened. just low tier bait
empty crystal
Forgot we are on the INTERNET
prime ocean
@empty crystal wtf do u mean i sent it in two channels
empty crystal
And you gonna tell us what you didn't like yeah?
prime ocean
pretty sure theres more then 2 channels
empty crystal
I hope 😄
prime ocean
wdym u said every channel
empty crystal
Because you didn't react to ppl asking you why in different channels, that's why I thought you're just trolling harder than imagined.
prime ocean
@eager charm wtf i sent it in two channels pipe down kid
timid geyser
oh no no no 
empty crystal
That was only me though.
eager charm
prime ocean
He was contemplating about it
empty crystal
prime ocean
but new league is gonna suck
rotund surge
but new league is gonna suck
why?
eager charm
???
only thing I'm contemplating is if I want to play nier or not
rotund surge
Nice.
timid geyser
empty crystal
may still be a few hours
rotund surge
I don't want to spoiler you @prime ocean or ruin your day, but its going to be a lot of nerfs, only telling you so that you can mentally prepare
empty crystal
It's just like some others said, manifesto is preparing you for the bad, patch notes are the worse. And then it can't get much worse, so playing is fine.
Having the right movement skill may be more important than quicksilver flask yeah.
rotund surge
I don't truly think it will be harder. Because he said, people who know what they are doing will not really feel the slow down. Meaning that it might only slap new players in the face.
empty crystal
I feel bad for newer players 🙈
wanton rivet
just use one of the new skill gems don't worry about nerfs
empty crystal
That's one strategy for sure.
stuck ridge
well they said they gonna nerf supp gems and buff main gems /shrug
empty crystal
I'll probably use an older skill that doesn't need many flask and hopefully is fine with some ailments.
wanton rivet
one of the new supports is a mini inspired learning like thats pretty strong
empty crystal
Oh yeah, that's probably fun.
livid apex
it's not, limit one mod iirc
stuck ridge
idk, it replaces the buff every time u kill a rare
inspired learning would still be better
rotund surge
I honestly don't mind the flask nerfs, as long as the automation orbs will be not ultra rare endgame loot. I don't mind all the nerfs. The meta will sort it self out. The truly only thing I don't understand is them trying to make the campaign longer. They are aware that people hate it, that's why we get a new one in poe2. No clue if it is actually only about making the mobs harder/smarter and the campaign is just "collateral damage".
stuck ridge
droprate should be like the flask upgrade things he said
lilac saffron
There is no technology for smarter mobs, they will just oneshot you if anything
empty crystal
I feel like it may be harder to reach endgame. But flasks? Well will get a little more exciting is all.
empty crystal
There is no technology for smarter mobs, they will just oneshot you if anything
Well. That's probably the way it goes now and in the future 
rotund surge
Well, they said they want to "improve" the mobs and they do it act by act, and the end result will be that these "improved" mobs will also be in maps.
tired spindle
Are the patch notes out?
indigo wolf
No
lilac saffron
No
tired spindle
Thanks
lilac saffron
You'll get pinged in game news when they release
empty crystal
Improved mob hits you, you die. Sounds about right.
tawny pasture
stuck ridge
should be in a few hours i think
lilac saffron
A bit more than 3 hours I think
empty crystal
I hope they do it in 2h instead of in 4h like yesterday 😄
tired spindle
I knew they were going to nerf Golemmancer after last league but they really gutted it
rotund surge
Lets be honest, if more mobs where like Hillock, after his rework, than slowing the game down would actually make sens.
livid apex
What I explicitly dislike as consequence of the manifesto, in no particular order:
- Total nullification of ailment resistance in ele and inquis
- Aisling bench change
- Spellslinger pays trigger cost in addition to the reservation
- Second Wind nerf
- Weird emphasis on traps
empty crystal
I agree on most yeah.
stuck ridge
ye
livid apex
I'm iffy on some other things, but not pure negative
tired spindle
I'm fine with spellslinger. It's a game breaking op effect and should have a premium cost
sharp iron
So if supports are being nerfed, then that should definitely solidify Replica Shroud of the Lightless as the best body armor
livid apex
If they had cut the base reservation it'd make more sense but you currently pay a premium reservation and then the skill cost on top of that
glacial vine
didnt they buff ballista totems?
tired spindle
Artillery
violet nymph
they gave ballistas a new support gem and buffed artillery
rotund surge
yeah, traps are a weird play style, but what ever, never going to play them either way.
I dodge all crafting in poe. I did my double influenced craftings and never crafted anything else in any league.
tired spindle
The aoe one no one uses
stuck ridge
i liked traps in incursion and then they nerfed them sadge
empty crystal
The nerfing part and making it almost unusable is sometimes almost indistinguishable with ggg
broken canyon
I thought we were meant to get patch notes today??
glacial vine
i was going to make my first flicker strike this league but they decided raider should be nerfed 😦 dont bother with occultist though... not like 1/2 of the top 100 players are ci occultist dot spammers
rotund surge
I thought we were meant to get patch notes today??
today depends on your time zone
lilac saffron
Occultist is gonna be a top tier choice
tired spindle
I play hardcore and 90% of the people I joined for trades were elementalist. Will be interesting to see what it is this league
stuck ridge
its like 1am GMT or something
lilac saffron
Elementalist does nothing now
tired spindle
Yea it's rough. But they were super op. Like e ery build I tried to make was just better as elementalist
lilac saffron
Yeah ik it was op
rotund surge
I played Raider in HC ultimatum because I was bored, but only until maps. God damn, that char felled so damn good.
empty crystal
Probably was yeah.
empty crystal
Every developer did 1, nice :p
violet nymph
did any of the non-golem notables even get nerfed though
i think it was just golem stuff
empty crystal
That would have been fine imho
stuck ridge
im kinda happy that elementalist gets a nerf, and we can play something else w/o feeling bad about it xD
tired spindle
Just passed the elementalist running a train on her
violet nymph
elementalist is still in a way better spot than before the recent rework
tired spindle
Yea only the golem stuff. But that's the stuff you wanted
empty crystal
You could have waited a league more until I played an elementalist
rotund surge
you cans still play the elementalist right now!
tired spindle
With the qol improvement displaying your ailments I might try some kind of shock build
lucid stone
So does 50% reduced freeze effect mean that I will be moving at half my action speed if I am frozen?
stuck ridge
ill prolly just go ED as starter
tired spindle
It lasts 50% as long
violet nymph
So does 50% reduced freeze effect mean that I will be moving at half my action s...
yes
indigo wolf
Assumption is yes since freeze duration is a separate stat. Unless freeze duration has changed to become freeze effect
stuck ridge
and i wanna try the new smash out that casts spell on use
violet nymph
they said in the QA that reduced freeze effect means you can actually do actions while frozen
this was confirmed
lucid stone
So did seismic cry just become useless?
violet nymph
yeah it's just an area booster now lol
empty crystal
you cans still play the elementalist right now!
Alright sorry. I meant I wanted to be Spellslinger Elementalist, 2x bad eh.
rotund surge
You can still do that right now, you have time until Fr
tired spindle
I'd seismic cry only boosts radius can they at least make it like 6 or 8 charges
empty crystal
But nah. Gonna wait on exped.
stuck ridge
elementalist is still kinda fine, but not like the insane dmg tho 
empty crystal
I'll probably check if I want an elementalist as a second char in league.
Not gonna settle without seeing all trees though.
tired spindle
Yea I was going to try carrion golem with reaper but now you can't really stack golem effect high enough
stuck ridge
its gonna be fun watching raiz on patchnotes
empty crystal
rotund surge
Yea I was going to try carrion golem with reaper but now you can't really stack ...
you can still go necro and do aurastacker, but it would be a hughe pain on necro if the reaper eats a CG.
stuck ridge
he definitly will eat it i think
empty crystal
But that's probably the most funny thing all league reaper eating stuff.
tired spindle
Yea that's why I was going to do elementalist and just spawn more but meh, it probably wasn't good anyway
stuck ridge
i really hope reaper gameplay isnt clunky
empty crystal
Find the internal cooldown of him eating minions? Go reddit.
wanton rivet
idk how reaper scales off the guys he eats but it seems like u want to use a build that has a shit ton of minions like soulwrest
hasty perch
Could also use dom blow
tired spindle
Yea I'll probably just feed him with herald of purity or something
rotund surge
It probably is. You can ofc just automate a Summon Skeletons set up with the Reaper then you also have more bodies between you and the enemy.
stuck ridge
what if the CD is really low, and he never stops eating vaal skeletons 
rotund surge
I honestly think the smoothest game play for him is if you would need no other minions he eats.
tired spindle
Also seems like he does an animation to eat minion right? So if he's eating a lot he isn't fighting
empty crystal
Could go either way. Seems even more interesting now to find that out.
tired spindle
Absolution looks fun too
empty crystal
I want the square mana rune as the old mana rune didn't get anywhere 😄
inland summit
the best dps builds with it might be herald of purity, since I think those are the highest scaling minions atm, share a tag with it, and they can be resummoned somewhat easily
rotund surge
Only needing one Minion would free up a lot of slots on Summoner. Question is if that would make it easier/cheaper to get Auras going. That would be a massive upgrade.
inland summit
prob is neither of them will clear well, and you'll need spiders which are clunky to use
empty crystal
Herald of Purity with reaper sounds interesting.
inland summit
so I'm going full QoL with much lower dps with carrion elementalist
inland summit
also, a lot more ssf friendly
rotund surge
The good thing is that switching between minions is not that hard
inland summit
they share the phys tag too so
empty crystal
I could imagine they try to push reaper hard and make him very strong.
empty crystal
Probably what Haiiro says 
rotund surge
Tbh that's another problem. They said they hit phys supports hard and that's why they buffed melee ability's, might be big dps nerf for minions
I don't want to go spector phys to cold conversion again.
inland summit
I've never beaten maven nor really intend to. Last league got 36/40 without her
stuck ridge
GGG just doesnt know how to shake the meta how chris always says in the videos^^
empty crystal
True.
rotund surge
I killed Maven when she came out, but there you could still logout in the minigame. Quit ultimatum early.
inland summit
A9 good enough for me, plus awakener orbs and awakened gems much more useful
rotund surge
Did her with my CG Aurastacker.
empty crystal
Yeah I was pretty much astonished that not even dying skipped the mini game in Maven.
I'm not that salty that I didn't kill her this league.
inland summit
I'll try to push at least 2 million dps on a tanky build and just cruise through challenges
empty crystal
I never find any tanky build I like
stuck ridge
i killed her once ever, but i dont really like bossing, im more for mapping
and since it feels like 10h to spawn a sirius fight meh
empty crystal
I like bossing, but it's just too much hassle for one boss. Shaper Elder etc are all fine. Though Elder is fastest ofc.
stuck ridge
jeah new bosses take soo much time to setup
empty crystal
And there's just no way to beat them if your setup is just wrong. Never had that problem with the old bosses.
inland summit
I am very happy the expeditions have the boss implicit and can be traded
I'm always hyped for league bosses but they always so hard to get to
didn't proc a single trialmaster last league
stuck ridge
i played ultimatum 3 weeks like a madman and had 2 
empty crystal
It took me a lot of energy to find him 2 times.. skipped all* ultimatums after that. Not worth it.
inland summit
fight looked cool
empty crystal
Looked cool the first time he one hitted me 😄
stuck ridge
jeah but he was kinda a joke boss
empty crystal
Pretty much.
stuck ridge
I hope this time ure not gonna have to do like 500x interacting with the league mechanic to get 1 boss
inland summit
Me too. Would love to be able to really ssf without wasting my life on league hoops
heady pier
Why interact all when you can run polished heist
stuck ridge
Im not that much a fan of heist tho
inland summit
skipped that league, each league I prog a bit further with it, but havent dont much honestly
dont know of any strats
empty crystal
I'm not a heist fan. But not having a lot of fans at all it can be quite profitable.
Unless you're just unlucky like me.
inland summit
it does have chase items and gems
its intricate to an extent and has a couple of bosses
so in theory it pretty damn well rounded
empty crystal
Was an interesting concept at least. And lots of the items changed the endgame setups.
Searched quite a while for the "rare harvest weapon enchants" until I found out those are orbs from heist
foggy zinc
heist suffers from the atlas problem
gearing the followers still isn't great, and when you finally gear them up you're done with heist lole
empty crystal
Yeah. That gearing is useless for me. I'll quit heist before I have all on Level 5.
foggy zinc
problem is, heist is balanced around your followers having the gear, so it's slow as molasses until you do
the rewards are there, there's just a lot of dead time for nothing
empty crystal
Sure is. Even with them making the level progress faster, it's too much dead time.
inland summit
so its just blast through contracts as they are given to ensure you get follower exp?
foggy zinc
pretty much
empty crystal
That would probably make it a little bit easier.
foggy zinc
I ignore the follower gear till I get to higher ilvl contracts too
empty crystal
If you don't you have to grind all of them together until you run out of coffee 🦝
floral cobalt
Ehhhhh
I dont think heist is ever slow, theres a lot of variables and functionality as to how it works.
For example you can get absolutely massive contract layouts even with increased job speed, which if i remember right, is supposed to shrink down the map.
empty crystal
Yeah. But its tedious to get ready for blueprints.
floral cobalt
Again though thats related to how you build your rogues, most people arent building for extra artifacts for rogue markers because they can just buy them.
If you want to purely farm rogue markers and save as much as you can you have to build for it.
empty crystal
I have enough rogue markers from maps really.
floral cobalt
similar to target farming x in heist, for example if you want to focus on small chests vs large or increased lock down time to hit all chests, etc.
empty crystal
I usually don't get that far because I get annoyed leveling the members.
floral cobalt
Did you heist this league ? Cause i dont remember it taking very long to level mine up. I asked some friends about og heist and they said new heist is very different from old heist in time consumption.
For me the most time consuming thing was farming blueprints
empty crystal
New heist is much more efficient, but is still meh.
dusty cove
enginering heists are fairly fast and good for early map sustain
so there is that going for it :/
rotund surge
when there is new news in #old-game-news but its about mtx, baited.
empty crystal
Yeah And it's a BUFF!
inland summit
I'm gonna speed up time cooking something up lol
rotund surge
I liked heist in the heist league, never touched it again after it was over.
floral cobalt
Patch ntoes any time now.
Annnny time. I just woke up so LUL
YO THATS DOPE ABOUT TIME
Weapon effects on shields finally.
dusty umbra
bets on how they'll destroy rumis?
timid geyser
Just become a replica rumi's gamer
still maple
yup they will nuke it from orbit
dusty umbra
Maybe Zerphis/Lavianga will get buffs
Zerphis might actually be usable in archmage/his cost builds
still maple
praying to chris himself to not destroy my league starter in patch notes
floral cobalt
Ill probably start traps or totems. I havent played totems in a long ass time though so maybe not totems lol
dim nova
praying to chris himself to not destroy my league starter in patch notes
big mistake, never let chris know what you want kept safe
floral cobalt
Then again i want to play beheading melee as well. So i might just start melee too.
Cause i generally dont like making multiple characters unless im having a blast, which i actually did for once in ultimatum.
98 trapper and 98 glad.
Might be easier for me to go trapper first though and then just make another build after saving up currency and uniques to make my melee character.
I really need to see the patch notes to decide my start though and how the league mechanics work.
inland summit
I keep hearing traps are so easy to get up and running
rotund surge
Cyclone got a new mtx, so that should be safe
floral cobalt
Traps are very easy to get up and going
Usually the most difficult part of traps is survivability outside running around.
Top end trappers usually are lowlife shavs
rotund surge
Just stack Fortify effect
floral cobalt
new cyclone mtx ?
rotund surge
the community voted for sharknado mtx
floral cobalt
But yet Jepu, its super easy to get into traps but it kinda can fall off late game if you cant get good defenses set up for it.
for example if you find a nyctas lantern early its essentially a very good 5L for Explosive/Fire traps.
You can certainly use it into early maps as well if you dont want to waste fusings and such either because the skills scale high.
inland summit
Got it.
I voted for shark mtx, tho I've never used cyclone before XD
this might change that
ocean narwhal
I'm gonna go traps personally, I haven't built them though I have used mines once or twice
inland summit
I'm torn between hiero slam totems and elementalist carrion reaper
ocean narwhal
I was going to go inquistor but then they nerfed him pretty bad
specifically battlemages cry
inland summit
how so?
lusty epoch
slender temple
hey any chance we can scale some stuff liek worm flask with flask effect? it doesnt say unscalable but doesnt seem to work for more worms
minor hollow
Are the patch notes being posted today?
distant hearth
Are we there yet ? And now are we there yet ?
kind jackal
im hoping for 0.5 hours !!! im ready as fuk
lucid stone
CoC Bloodmagic might be a thing now?
proper widget
reaper is op
distant hearth
how do you know, it's not even out yet
hollow mason
reaper is op
could even eat someones ag
lucid stone
bleed reaper sounds cool
slender temple
no it can only eat yourminion
how do you know its not even out yet
lucid stone
Theres that one dotmulti minion unique abyss jewel
daring mantle
Did we hear how long til patch notes are out
distant hearth
I know because I saw the livestream
slender temple
I know because I saw the livestream
😄
hollow mason
yours 40 ex ag gone
distant hearth
yea better keep the ag in your pocket
hollow mason
bleed reaper sounds cool
looks even better
lucid stone
The 4s or so cooldown on moving him sounds rough
I'm planning on something like Uul-Netol axe + Reaper + Rallying Cry
inland summit
I'm just gonna link my golems with knockback for that 3x dmg mod on reaper's bleed
lucid stone
Going elementalist to resummon the golems?
fiery shuttle
When are the patch notes coming? Its already 21July for me but on the site it says they are coming 20th of july
lilac saffron
I'm just gonna link my golems with knockback for that 3x dmg mod on reaper's ble...
just use the belt that makes your flasks affect minions and the flask that knocks back
light adder
10am in Kiwiland, so in some hours
slender relic
Balance manifesto was posted like 24h ago so probably anytime in the next few hours
inland summit
just use the belt that makes your flasks affect minions and the flask that knock...
that sounds awful, even before flask nerf
lilac saffron
wait where you actually serious about knockback golems
kind jackal
They just tweeted "SoonTM"]
violet nymph
Balance manifesto was posted like 24h ago so probably anytime in the next few h...
less than 30min
they responded to someone's tweet about is it less than 30 min
tired spindle
shield weapon effects are aweomse, but where those notes at!
minor hollow
Just watched a vid where someone said if you wanna know how to start this league keep watching, to proceed spending majority saying they aint really got a clue lol
light adder
Bigducks?
light adder
Sounds like his bs
minor hollow
minor hollow
Just gonna let ziz read it for me lmao
floral cobalt
Lightning Arrow and Lightning Strike have brand new effects. nice
"Microtransaction Weapon Effects can now be applied to Shields. We plan on implementing the ability for Supporter Pack Weapon Effects to propagate from your main hand to your shield, in a later patch."
light adder
"Brutus has taken the time to renovate his arena."
floral cobalt
lots of buffs to base gems
tired spindle
get those tar zombies out of my ship graveyard
violet nymph
miner dead lol
tired spindle
so they are only rebalancing act1. thats going to be a very weird transition from 1 to 2
kind jackal
OK wait: Slayer
Headsman: Now called Bane of Legends.
Bane of Legends: Now called Headsman.
were these mixed up the entire time? lmao
violet nymph
to both high-impact/blastchain
oh shit this change is super interesting
you don't need to get 2 clusters on the tree anymore
and it also makes it way better for minions
floral cobalt
Im loving these base gem buffs
tired spindle
why the consecrated ground nerf? makes no sense
floral cobalt
Dual Strike:
Now deals 244% of Base Damage, and has 244% Effectiveness of Added Damage at gem level 20 (previously 195%).
hnnng
floral cobalt
Flicker Strike:
Now deals 210% of Base Damage, and has 210% Effectiveness of Added Damage at gem level 20 (previously 168%).
Glacial Hammer:
Now deals 269% of Base Damage, and has 269% Effectiveness of Added Damage at gem level 20 (previously 215%).
this is the melee gem buffs weve been waiting for.
violet nymph
jesus christ these numbers are so big
why don't they just like
add some flat damage
the numbers are so weirdly inflated
okay rage support didn't get nerfed that's super weird
floral cobalt
Heavy Strike:
Now deals 313% of Base Damage, and has 313% Effectiveness of Added Damage at gem level 20 (previously 250%).
violet nymph
lmao fucking 313%
floral cobalt
Bro heavystrike has over 300% now LOL
tired spindle
yea because thats the issue with chain hook
violet nymph
what the FUCK is this
spell cascade can support minion skill gems?
what kinda spectre bullshit are they letting us do with that change
light adder
yea because thats the issue with chain hook
Blame mathils gauntlet run with it
Chainhook mtx incoming
tired spindle
oh i might do a consecrated path totem build. this buff is pretty big
violet nymph
guys...
floral cobalt
I really might start melee this league now lol
light adder
Time to dust off that jousis lw build
floral cobalt
Reave:
Now deals 225% of Base Damage, and has 225% Effectiveness of Added Damage at gem level 20 (previously 180%).
Bro.... LOL
Spark buffed too it seems
tired spindle
lol okay
floral cobalt
Spark:
Now deals 2 to 29 Lightning Damage at gem level 1 (previously 1 to 29), up to 70 to 1326 Lightning Damage at gem level 20 (previously 63 to 1198).
Now has 125% Effectiveness of Added Damage.
bronze cave
Ritual (costs 13 Chaos Orbs): Area contains Ritual Altars.
Delirium (costs 16 Chaos Orbs): Area contains a Mirror of Delirium.
SICK
floral cobalt
125% added effectiveness on spark now.
tired spindle
350% base and added damage. thats more than vaal ground slam now
toxic cove
so ice crash pogu now?
floral cobalt
Im loving these base number changes aint gonna lie.
toxic cove
maybe with hollow palm or sum shi
violet nymph
the motherfuckers actually did increase the base damage of firestorm
someone do the math, how does it compare to fireball now dps-wise
tired spindle
so much melee damage
violet nymph
also this blade blast change might make me want to try BV/BB
tired spindle
i'm going to for sure do some kind of slam totem facebreaker build or something
those guys couldnt even have bothered to change some other aspect of seismic cry. like up that shit to 8 exerts if all it does is increase aoe
floral cobalt
Ooof impale is donezo.
Impale:
Now has a 140% Cost and Reservation Multiplier (previously 130%).
Supported Skills now have 60% chance to Impale (previously 40%).
Supported Skills now have 0-28% increased Impale Effect (previously 20-49%).
No longer has "Supported Skills deal 5-15% more Physical Damage".
No longer has “Impale Damage dealt to Enemies Impaled by Supported Skills Overwhelms 30% Physical Damage Reduction”.
tired spindle
well they buffed spectral throw a decent amount. im happy to see that. i had a spectral throw build last league but the damage just pooped out on it
violet nymph
it's better for minions and builds that were hard pressed for skill points
since now you only need one of the impale clusters on the tree to get 100%
tired spindle
pluse spectral throw has the best mtx so let me use it more
floral cobalt
looks like they want people to play crit now.
Instead of using things like imaple
both crit gems got big buffs and multiplier increases
violet nymph
g u y s
delirium and ritual
and metamorph
and abyss
"Map tiers and locations have been shuffled (though the 'pin' locations for maps have not changed). Most maps are now initially found at a different tier." AYYY IT HAPPENED
floral cobalt
No harvest on map device is gonna prove how good harvest actually was to all the people saying it was "useless".
I cant wait for those tears.
tired spindle
what it could hit 30 enemies? i didnt know that. also thats a sweet sweep buff. i love sweep. now give it a damn mtx!!!
violet nymph
voidforge sweep here we go
floral cobalt
mmm these melee support nerfs are a bit too harsh imo.
violet nymph
use wand frenzy or quill rain frenzy
floral cobalt
They buffed the base skills but the nerfs far outweight the base increases.
violet nymph
Catalysts no longer affect the chances of rolling related modifiers on jewellery through crafting, and Quality on jewellery is no longer removed when crafting with specific Currency.
bronze cave
Essence drain is losing 25% damage, but could potentially craft a stronger weapon
floral cobalt
Like was there really a reason to nerf multistrike or splash ? I dont think so.
violet nymph
welp. looks like i'm making some more free money this league cuz people are bad.
tired spindle
oh ziggy brought up a good point. you cant blood rage with CI anymore
i didnt think of that
floral cobalt
Hmmm maybe melee wont be the play. Ill probably league start traps then do melee second to see how it feels.
I dont think the melee gems needed higher mana multipliers either for supports, thats a bit head scratching there too.
I dont think i saw more utility based supports mentioned anywhere either really and the few i did see got hit by mana multiplier increases like faster attacks.
Champion fortify effect on a node got changed as well to attack damage instead.
Pantheons got buffed up though, interesting.
tired spindle
i don't really get the new vaal spectral throw.