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[carmine crag]

mostly as you level you will use raging spirit with zomboes as tanks

[violet nymph]

Ye got that far 😄 i was thinking after what should i go for first? like the primordial jewels or ?

[sharp coral]

hello is this the not slow chat?

[carmine crag]

they removed slow earlier when they did the server fix

[sharp coral]

well now its back

and 5 minutes are to much for a conversation

[kindred dagger]

its not back for me so far, crashed just before a boss, have to redo all the area...

i guess it was was nearly the entire day so, cant complain much much now, maybe...

[sharp coral]

it was playable for 10 hours they fixed the server at 12am gmt+2

[loud bough]

can't sustain map with these dc:(

[amber finch]

Path of P A I N

[split cliff]

Its 8am - they went to work and messed it up again?

[violet nymph]

Stop trying to sustain maps when you can't even sustain a connection

[slow narwhal]

are they doing matience?

[violet nymph]

They don't have a five day week?

[devout osprey]

not planned DaChain

[split cliff]

It said maintenance but they still turned the login back on, pls choose one or the other

[slow narwhal]

@devout osprey ok i didnt know if it was on my sie

side

[split cliff]

I got 2 6L from 6 wave Act 7-9 its pretty good

[light jay]

i usually get 20-30 c till i end acts i almost doubled my currency thanks to ritual

and im not even in act 9 yet

[split cliff]

But I got 0 glassblower, I miss them from Ritual

[harsh bone]

I know ritual is insane this league especially in acts

[light jay]

wait i meant ultimatum mechanic

there is no ritual in acts

[devout osprey]

ritual appears in maps iirc

[median basin]

I've killed Brutus 17 times in a row.

[harsh bone]

It is, I was just joking at his typo lol

[last axle]

Fml

Seems like only way to get chain on new blood tentacles is either gem or deadeye notable

[median basin]

que 14k

[kindred dagger]

at least there is a queu, so there is a litle glimpse of hope that its back !

[median mural]

I like this new mechanic

[light jay]

level 68, mid act 8, lol thanks trialmaster for exp

[last axle]

Ye xp is nuts

[last axle]

dude, bro dude wtf

[sour mountain]

whats the problem

[last axle]

ultimatum pog

[violet nymph]

big gains

[last axle]

I wasnt expecting unnatural while doing acts lol

[spiral cipher]

Have we figured out the numbers on cruelty yet?

[vast gazelle]

Yes 15% more minimum, up to 50% more with a hit that's 3.2% of the mobs life

So very good for clear kinda meh for bosses

[spiral cipher]

well it depends

it's dope for like

earthqauke

and fireball

and putting on a secondary skill

@vast gazelle do you know if lifetap and arcane surge work together or no?

[vast gazelle]

They are antisynergy

Arcane surge cares about mana costs of spells

Lifetap makes you spend life instead

[spiral cipher]

So I have to choose one or the other @vast gazelle

[vast gazelle]

Yes or put arcane surge on a travel skill

Since it's global and lifetap isnt

[spiral cipher]

the only skkill i have that doesn't cost life

is a travel skill

[fading cedar]

Is anyone trying Reap? How is it?

[spiral cipher]

@fading cedar both pdot spells are tight

[fading cedar]

What do you mean?

So far I'm not that happy with the clearspeed 🤔

[spiral cipher]

Then you wont be happy.

[fading cedar]

What do you mean by "tight"?

[spiral cipher]

they hit hard

i feel tanky

life is good

[fading cedar]

Do you have a PoB link?

[spiral cipher]

i'm using a poe planner

I don't build with tiems in mind

[subtle stump]

Spectral throw as a reward for finishing ultimatum challenge, cool, definitely worth it

What a waste of time.

[fading cedar]

Which ascendancy are you picking on ascendant? Gladiator is the first, but what is the second?

[spiral cipher]

https://poeplanner.com/b/d6x you can get about 25% damage the base stats you need extra passives and very efficent pathing that allows for more life/damage from tree with thi.s While getting icnreased recovery from trickster. spell block from gladiator, and frenzy charges while clearing.

we really dont care about trickster besdies "IT's the best."

we care about trickster start

[knotty wasp]

This is why people going scion o.o

[violet nymph]

I could cherry pick bad rewards and good rewards and make a case that ultimatum is worth my time or not worth my time

[spiral cipher]

@violet nymph then the mecahnic works as intended

[violet nymph]

Yup

[spiral cipher]

you'd run vitality pride herald of puritty in auras (Turn hop off in chain maps.) and use lifetap fortify leap slam cruelty

[violet nymph]

Oh no no no

[spiral cipher]

if you want you can put in faster attacks but i'm the kind of person who prefers fat damage

or you can also do the same with flame dash

but the mana cost is higher and you'd lose foritfy

you can also use shield charge with fortify cruelty

and then dash with arcane surge

but that requries osme fandangling

[shut ravine]

#how many trials of chaos are there in ultimatum ?

[sleek dew]

Man miner seems pretty bad for ultimatum.. I hope it gets better with tremor rod but right now you get a million monsters that spawn around you and you die instantly lol

[last axle]

hmm

What should i equip on exsanguinate

bruta or cruelty?

[boreal canyon]

does the ultimatum modifier that you select affect the prizes

[hasty perch]

Isnt this basically a reskin of ritual

Like instead of clicking 3 rituals you click the mods in one

The encounter is so damn similar it doesnt feel like a new league

I'm not even at maps yet and I feel like skipping with just exsanguinate and reap added and no endgame expansion sigh

[past turret]

so are there any early impressions for how this league/mechanic is for hardcore? seems like one in every five or six encounters it is just brutal. I know some (a lot?) of that is my build but seems like there is some decent variance

[formal jewel]

What are some modifiers to look out for?

AKA ones that can end runs REAL QUICK

During Ultimatum that is

[past turret]

softcore so it matters less but generally just following the usual thought of avoiding stuff that limits mobility seems to work well enough. until it feels like I spawn with a crowd five or six levels higher who just remind me why I will never play hardcore

[red wharf]

anyone having buggest beastcrafts? Nothing happens and beast slots get emptied

trying to craft bleed mod on flask

[devout osprey]

i had to craft something else first, like unique amulet

[red wharf]

hm, didnt work, but then i put in randomly selected rares, and worked at 2nd shuffle

thanks 🙂

[cedar pewter]

found my summoner wand from an ultimatum lol

[devout osprey]

oh, so the unveiled one is 4s cd, but crafted is 8

[cedar pewter]

yeah

[tired knot]

anyone getting this mid ultimatum?

been getting this a few times recently

[cedar pewter]

ouch 😦

hope i don't get hit by that

[crimson aspen]

Is there any reward difference between choosing higher levels vs more variety of modifiers?

[cedar pewter]

def sounds bug-report worthy

[silver kettle]

that sounds like it's going to be my fault, sorry >_<

if it's client crashing logs will be generated automatically, I'll make sure to check it out tomorrow

[devout osprey]

huge mistake that it says "1 animation's', not animation, unplayable

[tired knot]

rip, i just submitted it to bug forum

haha didnt lose much anyway

[untold dragon]

Loving the loot explosions after Ultimatums.. not even in maps yet. Ritual also felt a little bad when you barely got anything from the mobs actually killed.

[signal girder]

are map drops bugged I literally can't sustain t1 maps

[cedar pewter]

hit or miss

once you get rolling you'll be good

[twin radish]

how does one get a map version of an alva thingy
wanting it for selling a t3 corruption catalyst

and i read somewhere u can now

[quick raven]

I seem to be on the lower end of the bell curve this league when it comes to the mechanic, but if anybody else is dying a lot on it, I added a CWDT-Frost Wall to my setup and my survivability has improved a lot, it fucks the melee monsters pathfinding and eats projectiles

[slender temple]

getting sassed by the trial master yes i suck let me get to maps and gear up abit

[last axle]

Is it just me, or do ultimatums need hella dmg+aoe?

[limpid current]

and survivability, dont think of running ults without good effective ehp

[next epoch]

he gets even meaner when you lose a couple in a row

"You know the goal is to succeed, yes?"

[astral tusk]

I just had Einhar with me on an Ultimatum and when he died I failed the Ultimatum, is this intended or a bug?

[next epoch]

That sounds like a bug to me!

...especially because Einhar isn't supposed to be able to die. Are you sure you didn't step out of the arena maybe?

[slender temple]

einhar died? wahaaaat

DO YOU NOT EVEN HAVE AN INVINCIBILITY FLAG EINHAR?

[next epoch]

tragic accident while feeding his beasts

[slender temple]

bahahahhahahahahah

[astral tusk]

Well I didn't die, I was in the circle and only had burning and choking active, so what would have caused me to fail o.O

[next epoch]

What kind of challenge was it? You can fail the "defend the altar" challenges without dying if the altar takes too much damage

[astral tusk]

Just defeat waves of enemies

[final umbra]

Am I high, or does Controlled Destruction not support Corrupting Fever?

Why tho

[ashen imp]

Decent quality currency drops

[warm valley]

definitely havent had as many chaos in a while

but those weird statues kinda hurt

and they have some hp

[final umbra]

Has anyone else done a ritual and beaten it and then just not gotten anything

[violet nymph]

You sure it wasn't destroyed?

[austere geyser]

are ultimatum encounters while leveling supposed to be so hard, yet so unrewarding? im easily rolling through every boss in the campain, yet ultimatum mobs seem to wreck me hard. and the rewards are usually some useless rares

[scarlet scroll]

should I use this on my 5L chest to make 6L ?

or too risky?

[violet nymph]

Too risky

You don't mess with your five link until you can guarantee a six-link or until you have a spare tbh

If you have a five link craft saved then it would also be fine to gamble but still eh

[harsh bone]

They are 100% lowering how many rare monsters in ultimatium

There's too many

[upbeat lagoon]

Hey everyone, just wanna know if the non-XX to XX horticrafting mod can be used on an influenced item?

[harsh bone]

I'm a minion build

[fervent fable]

Does trials refresh or reset?

[slender temple]

its 10 fusings basically. if you think about it that way its not worth it atm

[lucid dagger]

wow. so exciting.

[light jay]

thank you trialmaster

[storm crown]

wuold you use 10 fusings on yuor 5link? 😄

[storm crown]

its too feed the headhunter 😏

[dense forge]

hi, should I do Ultimatum in maps or acts?

[lilac saffron]

I really dislike this mechanic as some builds get litterally shredded

In comparison ritual was way more simple and fair

Because the mosters didnt spawn litterally on top of you

And they weren't nearly as tanky

[harsh bone]

At higher tiers, there are too many rares that are super over powered. The snake literally has insane attack speed at some ultimatums lol. It might just be that my damage is too low for them

[lilac saffron]

I agree. I get the nerf to explode chest but I think that being forced to either run it anyways or go occultist/glad because rare mobs from ultimatum got multiple times the hp of a map boss makes no sense

[harsh bone]

ikr, they get insanely buffed somehow (i'm not picking the ones that buff monsters), idk how they get insanely strong like that

They grow in size too for some reason lol

[verbal wyvern]

I hope they’re looking at the numbers n data, ultimatum is full of way too many rares and other mobs with insanely high hp pools

[lilac saffron]

They got soul eater

So they get damage reduction on top

[clear tapir]

What do you think about ultimatum in maps ? It seems to take a long time to run and I have seen any very good rewards yet

[lilac saffron]

I dont know. Rewards seem rather fine and the xp is good. But it takes a lot of time to do some of the mechanics (stand in circles omegalul). I guess its fine if you can actually kill all the rares or most of them. But you need to either have extremely good gear or play one of few builds that can actually deal damage WHILE not getting oneshotted by mobs that spawn on top of you. Also they managed to add chaos damage on top of another league mechanic without making chaos res easier or better to get.

[violet sundial]

Why is -60 chaos res with CI? LOL WTF

[red jackal]

still immune against chaos damage

[carmine vigil]

died after trying to go for this

rip 30c

[fathom gale]

how do inscribed ultimatums work in a party

[kind crane]

👀 in belly of the beast lol nice one

[violet nymph]

what sorta builds are excelling for ultimatum?

[jaunty wadi]

necro is so OP

from white map yesterday got those insane boots too

[violet nymph]

what type of necro are you playin?

[jaunty wadi]

i started with blazing salvo mines but got tired and now leveling raise spectre necro, will get to maps with dudes from a5 and then switch to syndicate operatives

[violet nymph]

ooooo gl hf

[cerulean ginkgo]

anyone figure out how you can fail certain ultimatums? is there a hidden timer on the stone circle and kill ones?

[jaunty wadi]

no its certain mobs that cast some spell and when they cast it 7 times u fail

[cerulean ginkgo]

ruin, yea, but ik I didnt have a ruin mod on my last one...

[spiral cipher]

do yellow/red map ultimatums have new tiers or is it just the same stuff?

[crude scarab]

Ultimatums feel super rippy? I just reached maps and can blitz through t3/t4 stuff, but die reasonably often on the first or second wave, can't kill the rare mobs

[lilac root]

Get good?

[crude scarab]

fair

[lilac root]

Jokes but yeah i hit a wall every few teirs just gotta re spec gear amd try again

[native dust]

Need a char that's constantly moving and dealing damage to be able to farm them

ED/Cont, TR, poison bv

etc

[violet nymph]

Lightning trap seems to work well for them

Atleast for me so far

[nimble sun]

is it just me, or whenever i see ritual, i remember i forgot aobut the ritual from the last map

[final umbra]

Exanguinate is a spell - can spells leech life?

[silver kettle]

yes, you just need a source of life leech that works with them. most sources of leech are attack-specific

[spiral cipher]

idk i feel like if have decent single target

i have 0 probelms with ultimatum

Rares are too telegraphed

white mobs do fuck all for damage

[final umbra]

Huh

[quick raven]

It is actually insane how lucrative the league mechanic is, I just got to t1 blue maps, cant wait to see how crazy it is on A8 reds with 100 quant 50 packsize

[steel plinth]

Does anyone sometimes get failed in league for no reason even tho you are doing everything perfectly right?

it happened to me several times and wanted to make sure its not a bug

[lilac saffron]

Its the protect the altar thing

[steel plinth]

oh yeah didnt think about it lol

[grizzled girder]

Ruin stacks can get failed too.

[jaunty wadi]

Anyone tried raising trial mobs as spectres? Is that a thing?

Especially those ranged archer dudes

[quick raven]

You can spectre them, idk what the rare only ones are called though

I think this is one of them https://poedb.tw/us/Trial_Champion

I really really need to progress this char and not roll a 3rd, but the temptation to make a witch just to play with new spectres is strong

[silver kettle]

feel free to hassle me for names of the rare-only monsters

[quick raven]

consider yourself hassled @silver kettle

I know there's that fat looking spellcaster and the huge sword guy

[silver kettle]

sword guy is Trial Champion yeah. the massive blood caster is Trial Titan

[quick raven]

Do you have the stats on what the champion's buff and debuff is?

[silver kettle]

it's just onslaught for allies and covered in ash for enemies

applies both with the massive wave it fires

[quick raven]

hoo boy so we can get an onslaught spectre now?

[silver kettle]

sure

[quick raven]

Oh do you know if all monsters in general have very small mana pools like the chieftains, or do they vary? I thought manastorm necro aegis could be good on some spectres, but there is no data anywhere on enemy mana amounts

[silver kettle]

none of the ultimatum monsters' skills have mana costs

[quick raven]

sure, but in general. Since manastorm sacrifices all your mana when you cast a spell to give yourself 25% of that as added lightning damage. There's a lot of potential spectres that cast a spell on a cooldown and then use attacks, like the kitava herald

But if they all have small mana pools like the carnage chieftains it wouldn't be that great

[silver kettle]

honestly I have no idea what their actual mana pools are

their stats are auto-calculated so it's not like I manually entered them 😄

[quick raven]

Oh you dont have to find them out, I was just wondering if monster mana pools were different from type to type or if they all have the same amount

[silver kettle]

checked a bunch of random monsters and they all have exactly the same amount of mana, so yeah

[quick raven]

Makes sense, none of the casters I've used have ever seemed to run out of mana even if they have a ton of soul eater stacks. Thanks for all the work you do!

[final umbra]

Does Exanguinate count as a 'hit' for vulnerability curse on hit from a ring?

[eager charm]

it does hit, yes

[ashen imp]

Are there any key builds people are going with to handle ultimatums? I'm finding myself being taken apart

[light jay]

Thank god I went cyclone in this league and not squishy raider. Easily clearing all trials

[balmy imp]

oh baby

[spiral cipher]

wait did viper design the monsters this league?

[ashen imp]

So just ignore ultimatums until build is finished then?

[silver kettle]

I did the gameplay for all of them except one, yes

[small elk]

I still haven’t figured out what the monster type that gives ruin is

[wise lintel]

am i stupid, or is the droprate for chaos higher?

[quick raven]

The monsters that give ruin only do so on a longish cd ability, usually like 7 sec cd, I think when you see random monsters start glowing blue, they are using the ruin ability

[small elk]

that assumes that I am able to see anything

[quick raven]

It picks a random type, usually the rare only ones

I didnt notice it til recently lol

[untold dragon]

So glad I switched builds... BV (assassin) with some rampage feels sooo good for ultimatums

[quick raven]

Yeah I switched from my miner that could rarely do more than 3 rounds to a bleedstorm glad that reliably clears all

even the circle ones!

[untold dragon]

admittedly, i can't actually see anything.. but just running in circles and keep plague bearer up as much as possible works wonders. Adding the biscos leash just made it even better.

nice timing, server kicked me 20 sec after finishing a conqueror

[noble thistle]

hum, they changed a lot syndicate, but wiki is not up to date so, i need info about aisling, does they just removed her bench? only veiled chaos orb now? (on research)

[pale hemlock]

I'm liking ultimatum, nice reward, lot of xp

Only issue is channeling cyclone stops as I click next ultimatum and I got to spam click so I don't get swarmed and die

[violet nymph]

Been doing a raider tr ca haven’t died yet.

[violet nymph]

Is syndicate as complicated as it seems? I've avoided it forever because it seems super convoluted and complicated

[devout osprey]

give it a try. all you want is to put the syndicate members in the certain spots depending on what reward you want

[violet nymph]

yea ill watch a vid on it and give it a try. might as well

[lavish finch]

does the mechanic get more rewarding in higher tier maps?

[lavish finch]

im in yellow maps and its kinda sucky ngl

[cunning blaze]

My low life perma adrenaline champ is dying to ultimatums a lot. Should I accept that my build idea sucks and reroll, or just stick with it until perma fotrtify in 3rd lab?

[lavish finch]

@cunning blaze the ultimatums seem over tuned if you push them far

[bright pond]

Anyone had the issue where during the survival trial after completion of the last round tells you you failed? Just had one where I met the timer for round 6, but instead of the rewards it just said failed and offered no rewards.

[lavish finch]

you selected ruin

and got too high sacks

[bright pond]

I didn't have any stacks.

Not that I saw - but I suppose it's possible. I did have T3 Ruin going.

Thanks. It was probably that tbh.

[lavish finch]

how can you say you didn't have any stacks

then say not that i saw

[bright pond]

Typing before thinking?

Normally it shows up top right corner.

left*

I didn't see any stacks there.

[lavish finch]

considering how much more rippy this mechanic is compared to ritual the rewards are like so much worse

[formal jewel]

3 Rounds later:

[gritty anchor]

Do Ultimatum challenges have timers?

I just had one of those "Stand in the Circles" challenge with the reward being double currency

And like 80% of the way through I suddenly failed

[eager terrace]

did you have a ruin modifier

like Ruin or Restless Ground 3

[gritty anchor]

Nope, the modifiers were different

Lightning Ground AoEs, no flasks, stacking dmg over time

But unless it bugged out I guess ruin modifier is the only thing that'd make sense

[eager terrace]

no Stalker or whatever

[gritty anchor]

So maybe I'm remembering wrong

[eager terrace]

yeah it just sounds like a ruin ending, they're very abrupt

[gritty anchor]

Wish they had some sound effect or something, was jumping from stone circle to stone circle and then suddenly "failed"

[eager terrace]

I didn't notice at first but it puts a big thing over your head if you have ruin stacks

like a blue shape that gets more lines added with more ruin stacks

[gritty anchor]

Ah I haven't seen that, I'll keep an eye out next time

Thanks!

[spiral cipher]

@silver kettle nice fair mobs Not a one of them does something bullshit so far but they all pose some kind of threat. I'm particuraly fond of the fire bats "Can you stop !#@!# stunning me while i'm trying to cast." has been my reaction to them every time.

[final umbra]

Are there any helmet enchants for Exsanguinate?

[frail kayak]

How are people surviving ultimatums?

Seems super punishing the amount of damage they do. Everything will be fine and then boom one shot. I'm decently tanky for being a standard build (aka not a facetank shaper beam build, but still decent regen and reductions) but man

I can do red maps fine but ultimatums are super off and on whether or not im getting one shot. And theres so much going on the screen its hard to tell what even hits me.

[terse sinew]

Pinging him 😂

[verbal wyvern]

multiple defensive layers

[frail kayak]

I mean, yeah of course. That's a given for any character. I'm curious which defensive layers people are using to reliably run ultimatums. In my experience they're hitting a lot harder, seemingly randomly, compared to other content, so I've been considering converting a character that I normally don't need to go max block on just to add another layer. But even then, some damage is one shotting 5k hp so its still a one shot 25% of the time anyway

[valid bloom]

honestly i cant tell what is the "damage dealing" enemy in the trial

it gets so chaotic and some mob with some sort of lightning projectile absolutely demolishes me

and frozen pulses are probably the worst challenge you can pick

the second level explodes immediately when you get near them and they can stack..?

[frail kayak]

Yeah that's the other thing, I might just be getting hit by things that should be obvious one shots, but even though I melt all the mobs in there, there's sooo much going on the screen you can't really tell anyway it seems

[valid bloom]

lightning runes are visible but the freeze stuff are impossible to see at higher level trials, there is just too many things on screen

[verbal wyvern]

personally im using a block glad with high armour and molten shell

[valid bloom]

i died twice to trials so far, and both of them were right after i picked another trial

[verbal wyvern]

having no issues unless i just stack things without paying attention

[valid bloom]

pick like 7th trial, move away and instantly die because something spawned there

[verbal wyvern]

certain modifiers don't work for certain trials and areas

you'll just get fucked

[valid bloom]

the stone circle stuff are pretty bad unless you're armor stacking fortify user

[frail kayak]

I think armor is probably pretty important. I feel like I see a lot of those rares with phys damage auras

[verbal wyvern]

ruin mobs are a safe modifier, same for the totem and enemy movement speed increases

[valid bloom]

does something happen if you get more than 5 winstreak?

[verbal wyvern]

no, at 10

[valid bloom]

wow

[verbal wyvern]

but at that point, you'll have 8+ stages each time

won't be easy

[valid bloom]

the rewards are extremely sweet for ssf but damn, the risk is extremely high as well

[verbal wyvern]

for sure

[valid bloom]

remember when delirium was the most insane hardcore stuff when it was released?

i think this league tops that

[verbal wyvern]

for sure

honestly, ultimatums could get nerfed

[valid bloom]

some mobs in it should be nerfed

there are some ranged mobs that deal too much dmg

[verbal wyvern]

the amount of rares needs to be toned down

[hexed sparrow]

It’s funny how many 5L uniques I’m printing

[neon hatch]

was just gonna ask if this league mechanic is way harder than the last one lol

[valid bloom]

oh last one was nothing

absolutely

[verbal wyvern]

other than a few mob types and the amount of rares, ultimatum is very good

[neon hatch]

last one felt so rewarding for a new player like me

[valid bloom]

last league the only bad thing was, if you're standing still you get slowed to death

[neon hatch]

im barely doing any this league because im getting wrecked

[valid bloom]

on some encounters

[verbal wyvern]

i loved ritual, it felt rewarding for me being a casual shitter

[valid bloom]

also harvest is still good

you get 5 links quite often

[neon hatch]

it feels like you have to be so tanky for ultimatums

[valid bloom]

maybe not the best for high level crafting but for mid-range stuff it'll be useful

im bleed bow gladiator with vigilant strike, 90% phys dmg reduction and it doesnt seem like im tanky enough

but again, i think its more about visibility

[verbal wyvern]

wasn't using fortify, am now even tankier

[neon hatch]

i wonder if they'll nerf ultimatums. have they ever nerfed a league mechanic before?

[valid bloom]

every league?

lmao

its always hardest at start

[neon hatch]

wow ok

[verbal wyvern]

can't even remember if they changed ritual, wasn't there for the start

[valid bloom]

metamorph had offscreen oneshots

[neon hatch]

ritual felt so easy compared to this, its kinda crazy to me

[valid bloom]

ritual barely has any scaling

you get the harder rituals way later so its not too bad

[verbal wyvern]

ultimatum has some hella scaling

[valid bloom]

but this league is just hard every time

it feels wrong to skip them but i might have to do that if its stone circle or in some really terrible position

or chicken out mid fight if i see billions of ranged mobs

[neon hatch]

i wish I had done my first maps experience with rituals and not this league

[valid bloom]

nah

its fine

both are optional

unlike something like betrayal

oh god

1. open map

2. get ambushed by three bosses

[proper widget]

whats so hard about the league mechanic? i can usually do 3-4 rounds in t2s right now

[quick raven]

It's kind of mandatory to have a good system of layered defenses and/or massive regen. If you generally rely on being able to kill stuff instantly, it still wont be enough since Ultimatums have a lot of damage from unkillable, unstunnable sources like the lightning runes, flame skulls, etc.

I was surprised when Grimro said the lightning runes were super rippy and that he never picks them since I consider them a free mod, but he is one of those kill everything super fast easily builds that doesnt really have layered defenses.

[frail kayak]

It isnt

[quick raven]

Explode is meh, since it the monsters dont have death effects and that doesnt help with the mods like flame skulls

[frail kayak]

I mean dodging the mods is one thing

From what I can tell its melees and what looks to be like arrows or some other projectile that can get real rippy real fast

But with so much crap going on all the time its really hard to tell

[proper widget]

the rares get pretty insane

[quick raven]

If you want to clear the 10 round ones you are going to need god tier skill or layered defenses, since by that point you're guaranteed to have like 3 different unavoidable damage mods at rank 2 or higher

[frail kayak]

I think a big thing would be to slow the rate at which things spawn while still (hopefully) giving us more credit towards kill progress so it doesnt end up taking forever

Just being able to properly see whats happening would be a huge boon

[proper widget]

in poe? never

[frail kayak]

by round 7 or so I'm quite literally just running in circles and hoping I don't get one shot by things I couldnt see coming

[quick raven]

You can be an ice shot/bv/kb god with explodey and that's not going to help when you have rank 3 runes, rank 3 skulls, rank 3 frost balls, etc

[frail kayak]

Yeah I'm playing what is usually a pretty tanky DO build, so I have occultist explodey and defensive curses, white mobs disappear almost instantly. Like I way outdamage whats coming in, and I don't feel squishy anywhere else. But I had to learn that stopping to cast blight is almost guaranteed to get me killed, even if its just for 1-2 seconds to refresh infusion

[dim musk]

smh, i wish the game would tell you how you failed an ultimatum

[valid bloom]

other than dying?

maybe you forgot to defend the thing in the middle, with orange health bar

[quick raven]

By the way, this is the most rippy content I've ever seen and I've been playing since 3.0, don't feel bad if you are struggling lol, if you can survive this you can survive anything

[valid bloom]

other than that its pretty clear if you fail or not

[dim musk]

i'm not taking ruin, i'm killing everything (attackers slain), and i'm not dying

[valid bloom]

take ruin

thats free

[frail kayak]

well, take it towards the end

[dim musk]

no, i don't have a mobile build

[valid bloom]

you're never gonna get hit more than once by ruin mobs every round

[frail kayak]

it can spawn on you and with bad rng you could auto lose by rounf 7

[valid bloom]

if you're having trouble killing the mobs in first place maybe you should skip until better dps

[dim musk]

i'm not having trouble killing mobs

like i said, ultimatums just end

and i have no idea why

[valid bloom]

well then you completed it?

[dim musk]

no

[valid bloom]

if you fail the dude says something

[dim musk]

smh

[frail kayak]

I've never lost when I didn't die

[valid bloom]

i ran away like a coward once

[frail kayak]

From what I know you either were out of the ring for too long, ruin stacked to 7, or the pillar in the middle died if you were supposed to defend it.

[valid bloom]

oh maybe its bugged

cause im pretty sure winning/failing will make him say something in the end

[cold ferry]

It's never a bug, it's a feature. /s

[dim musk]

i was just supposed to kill attackers and i did that, lived, survived, no ruin.

this has happened so many times in a row.

[valid bloom]

on that topic i had a few instances where i clicked on a challenge and it stopped the ultimatum

[frail kayak]

did you get loot? or like it literally just ended and thats all there was to it?

[quick raven]

Are you taking the ground hinder thing that respawns enemies as ghosts? Rank 3 of that makes the ghosts give ruin stacks

[valid bloom]

yea got the loot until that point but i wanted to continue

[frail kayak]

I know it doesn't always go up to round 10 or whatever

[lilac root]

Some times it emds at round 5

[frail kayak]

like in yellow maps I think it was usually an auto complete after round 7 or something?

it sames to range from 3-10 I just dont know what dictates the max round

[quick raven]

Yeah the number of rounds you can go to is more or less map tier dependant, I dont think you get 10 rounds until reds and even then its not guaranteed

[proud ridge]

Hey. I'm playing with a friend and I'm downscaled. We can't seem to find any Trials of Vaal or whatever it's called (the ones where you can do more waves to get more loot and it gets progressively more difficult). Is it because of scaling?

[frail kayak]

The ultimatum mechanic isn't showing at all?

[proud ridge]

Yeah, we literally went through 4 whole maps and there were none

[frail kayak]

League mechanics don't show if you overlevel the area. as far as I know if you're being downscaled to his level then they should show up, but perhaps there is a bug or some further restriction to stop overlevelled people from farming league mechanics even while downscaled

that level restrcition lifts past level 68 zones (aka mapping)

They probably just don't spawn even while downscaled to prevent people from milking low zones for currency and stuff

[proud ridge]

Ah, I see, makes sense. There is also this bug, kinda I guess. When you are doing it with a party, sometimes some people don't get any loot even though they didn't die. Happened quite a few times.

[frail kayak]

I don't have friends, so no idea on that one

[proud ridge]

Sadge

Thanks for the answers though ❤️

[torn root]

What do you guys think about nugiyen's take on exsanguinate? Is he only cyclone CwC because he's ssf and doesn't have the wand enchant?

https://poe.ninja/streamers/builds/char/nugiyen/REAPpearedOnYoutube?type=streamers&i=2&search=skill%3DExsanguinate

[verbal wyvern]

kekw

i'd like to know what my win streak is

a leaderboard for # of ultimatums completed in a row 🤔

[tawny pasture]

am i the only one who game crash once in a while but only during ultimatum ?

[last axle]

Are ultimatum lengths random?

[ebon locust]

does this also reflect freeze?

[silver kettle]

yes

[formal jewel]

Bruh wdym I just ran around in circles

[formal jewel]

Again
I'm just walking around in circles

[next epoch]

who would win: the servant of a god of chaos, or one bubbly boi
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pathofexile_gamepedia/images/f/f4/Plague_Bearer_skill_icon.png

[formal jewel]

Can you just pls
Accept the fact that walking around in circles is cheesy as it is and GGG won't make you a boss

[violet nymph]

i'm surprised how well my build is doing lol

[silver pumice]

You can fail the encounter without dying, maybe your friend failed it

[sharp leaf]

what implicits should i have on jewels? Corrupted blood + cannot be hindered and anything else handy this league?

[final umbra]

can you have both a mark and a curse on an enemy

whoops wrong channel

[rustic dew]

The quality of the rewards, is it affected by (a) the map tier and/or (b) the map mods?

[grizzled harbor]

Am I the only one having an issue where some rares I get during ultimatum do not show up on the ground? I have even turned off all my filters.

[lavish finch]

Yep

I think they're trying to fix it

[teal yarrow]

Do the rewards get any good once you start mapping?

[proud bloom]

no

[north dragon]

Rng

Only got shave once

Shavs

And tons of chaos rewards

[minor rampart]

Does # of ultimatums completed in a row affect the reward?

[dim musk]

not that i've seen, and i'd think that would be exploitable by a lot of builds if it did.

[final umbra]

So, anyone figured out any hidden details about the ultimatums?

[minor rampart]

I see, thanks for the info

[sullen scroll]

wasn't it datamined Trialmaster was gonna be a boss?

[devout osprey]

he is. i saw grimro fight him

[violet nymph]

Would be cool if we had mods on watchstones that said like 5% chance for ultimatums to contain essences or currency

[gritty anchor]

Ye thats gonna be a no from me, dawg

[wind sundial]

Are Ult rewards still temp nerfed?

[copper kernel]

As far as we know

Isnt it only for survive encounters

[silver kettle]

It's only the xp and monster drops from survival encounters

[carmine vigil]

So monster drops is this when the survival counter is ended?

[split cliff]

Yes not the ult rewards

[carmine vigil]

Ok cool

[whole girder]

Kill the yellow, that increases visibility 🙂

[hasty perch]

"Waiting for teammate" on ultimatum choice

I m in ssf

Hum

GGG u good?

Oh the timestop stopped

And i m dead

[tiny zenith]

Does anybody has problems completing an ultimatum? I can do almost all content of the game, even reflect maps thanks to being a mine salvo build. But as I start an ultimatum rares chase me and group together and became far tankier that even the map boss. Is it just my build not suitable for Ultimatum or do you think that rares are overturned in the new league mechanic?

Getting flashbacks to heist league when escaping with multiple rares on the door.

[lilac saffron]

Both

Your build isnt ideal since you got monsters all around you all the time (and most of the times spawning right on top of you), there are a lot of ranged mobs that will get covered by the extremely tank rares. On top of that the mobs are extremely fast so you cant even kite them with most builds. I tried leaguestarting with a miner but had to reroll to a gladiator because dying everytime you interact with a league mechanic isnt fun. With slam builds or some good melee builds it becomes very managable. The other issue is that there is a lot of chaos damage (once again) and this time harvest sucks so you wont be able even go that route to fix your gear. Regardless, I think every duelist ascendancy works well, and you can likely say the same thing for berserker and chieftain. Occultist is also very good, and I imagine COC nova assassin should still be doing fine at medium/high investment. Minions might also be fine but with all the nerfs you might need a huge investment.

[tiny zenith]

I guess im just not going to do any ultimatum then

[normal zinc]

don't bother doing ultimatums past 2nd-3rd reward. Exp and item caps are extremely heavy handed. I've been testing with breaches and abysses, and you'll get more from just doing one breach or abyss than going past cycle 4 of an ultimatum. Waste of your time. Unfortunate that they gimped their main league mechanic lol

[proud raptor]

I switched from salvo mines because not having the detonation sequencing felt really bad, been using ice traps and ultimatums are pretty easy, the amount of freeze and chills just trivialize the whole thing

but ice traps feel horrible to play so I'm thinking about going vortex occultist or cold slinger maybe, does anyone know another cold build that should be good for the league?

[tiny zenith]

If I have time this lague maybe gonna play a little with slinger exsanguinate+reap, looks really good for ultimatums. Or at least Ziz makes it look decent.

[carmine vigil]

so dying at a high tier still drops the monster drops and i got lucky and got a ex

i did miss out on my rewards because i died tho so rip me

[mild pine]

I'm enjoying hamlet essence farming, for 2c zana and hamlet passives it guarantees 3 total essence fights at +1 level. Not huge money, but easy and something different.

[sudden garden]

Mage skeli necromancer is really good for the ultimatums

Just run around and circles spamming skellies, ez

[onyx mauve]

I'm kinda sad talismands went from amazing and probably worth a gear shuffle, to wtf is this garbage.... somehow its worse than talismans pre-buff.

[gritty anchor]

1c for 2.5ex

[vast gazelle]

seemsgood

[gritty anchor]

I wonder if I can survive this

[worldly sedge]

Hey all, looking to maybe make a new char. About 20ex atm. What builds out there can wreck the league mechanic / ultra tanky?

[wind sundial]

man ults keep making me make my item filter stricter and it's never enough

[vast gazelle]

dps while moving is the priority and tankiness

so i recommend cold dot or cyclone or coc

[worldly sedge]

I'm playing BF/BB and moving a crap ton the whole time, but i cant really take hits it seems, even baron in red tier maps one shots me sometimes -_- so annoying

[desert agate]

Did they "fix" ultimatums having no lootsplotion?

[wind sundial]

Not yet, but it's only survival with no lootsplosion.

[noble ember]

In your guys opinions, what are the best, *easiest mods to run for ultimatum?

[lilac root]

Depends on what it is i like survival with the guy who follows you just run away lol

[next epoch]

okay, lesson learned, don't combine ultimatum with delirium 💀

anyone else had an issue where, after starting an ultimatum, all audio except the ultimatum pause sequences is muffled? (if it helps debug any, this is happening to me in harbour bridge)

[gloomy bay]

I’ve had it happen but I haven’t figured out how to recreate it

[limpid current]

miasma, small arena, stormcaller, couple levels of ruin, free fodder pretty much

much of the other mods are situational

also the cold mod is very easy

if you have cannot be hindered any mods involving hinder are also freebies

as is random projectiles if you're running builds with no projectiles

[restive snow]

does the quality of loot or anything increase on higher winstreaks?

[wise lintel]

ive decided to play tectonic jugg - good decision for the ult?

not tanky enough to stand and hit?

shit. im currently lvl 44 and had no issues doing all the stages

[north dragon]

Gonna try kulik staff or w/e it is

Lots of different combinations

[limpid current]

cane of kulemak

[ember lodge]

It's just occurred to me how broken something like freeze prolif might be on ultimatums.

Going to have to try that out tonight, maybe in a cluster jewel if it works well enough.

Cos freezing the big rares is hard, but freezing the endless hordes is easy

[fallen tulip]

freeze + hinder + temporal chains

ezpz

[lethal wren]

bad luck on draw 30 mtx box , and got 10box is repeat .. fak

nothing can do on repeat one ? example conbine

[lime girder]

can you expect chaos orbs from ultimatum and if so, when? probably posting on wrong channel sry

[wise lintel]

i made about 30 ults and 3 times i had that 2c loot

its a possible roll

[lime girder]

what stage of game were you on those ults?

[wise lintel]

low

im only lv 48 right now

[runic zephyr]

not sure if bug, but anyone else noticed that sometimes you dont get the reward its showing?
the ultimatum just now showed me some random cluster jewel, but in the end i dropped a cobalt jewel.

[lime girder]

alright ty

[wise lintel]

i think the first one i had at maybe lv 30

[primal spruce]

is there a way to see how many rounds are left or you just gotta keep gambling xD?

[bold basalt]

Anyone knows if number of waves is random, or influenced by your streak or something?

[spiral coyote]

pretty sure its just random

[bold basalt]

That's meh

I know I said I like simple league mechanics, but not literally the same league twice in a row

Well, I liked ritual more

[wind sundial]

It's random but based on area level what the max is

[glass ibex]

yoooo why the F they removed the influence options!?

http://prntscr.com/11t4uve

and i cant find a bug report channel here -_-

[eager charm]

why would you report it to us, we dont work with GGG

[zenith warren]

@glass ibex influences are in statfilter now

[lavish finch]

how do you fight the trialmaster?

[violet nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755852540553461790/834459364327686204/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755852540553461790/834459402484318248/unknown.png

Dafuq how rare is this

[wind sundial]

ultimatum league is pretty rad

[violet nymph]

Ye tell me about it i got 9 badges so far

[lavish finch]

9 badges?

badges of brotherhood?

[violet nymph]

yes

[lavish finch]

what the fuck

how is that even possible LOL

[violet nymph]

https://gyazo.com/45bafbbe755dc2efebe02877d1dde324

[lavish finch]

you sir

are lucky af

[violet nymph]

Quarry op

[lavish finch]

@violet nymph why are you running quarry?

[thick cipher]

How does item rarity / quantity help with ultimatum rewards?

better to just run white higher tiers or lower tiers but blue/yellow

maps

[lavish finch]

this seems sus af

[fading cedar]

What's the maximum number of consecutive ultimatum encounters?

[languid path]

10, the 10th wave is the boss himself

[fading cedar]

Oh, okay!

By the way, have the new Uber Atziri uniques been revealed?

[spare grove]

can anyone let me know if they get stinging doubt trial

[wind sundial]

Atziri's Rule looks pretty rad

[violet nymph]

Quarry farming is a tactic that comes up basically every league when the league mechanic is profitable when in acts.

Also with badge no longer being tied to blight, getting it in this process from ultis is pretty normal.

[craggy marten]

Is there a reason my ultimatums never seem to reach the 10th wave? I've gotten up to 9 once I think but typically they cash out around wave 8. Only running red maps at the moment

[copper kernel]

Pretty sure the 10th wave is the boss encounter

[lavish finch]

Have you been quarry farming? Is it even worth

[violet nymph]

I'm playing in a private league so i have not been. but i'd say seems to be worth if @violet nymph is being honest about where he got those from.

[opal nimbus]

the real ultimatum experience

[dusky kernel]

Christ sakes GGG, we need to have a talk about letting the player a chance to see what he is doing and learning.

||https://i.imgur.com/nLVNOAY.mp4||

[dim sorrel]

Does the ultimatum scale through your level or map tier?

[languid river]

Ok. I got in fight with trialmaster. Then failed it with boss at 50%. Why?

Can it be because the ruin mob was hitting me in the map phase or something? Was at 6/7 ruin when boss pulled me into his arena.

Can it be that the mob becomes invisible and follows there also?

[silver kettle]

the boss himself applies ruin if you have selected a ruin mod

[languid river]

Okay, explains, thanks.

Note to myself - dont get hit.

[pure drift]

whats the best area for ultimatum farming?

[valid bloom]

does what you pick as challenge also change the types of monsters that spawn?

[rocky nebula]

Did they change corrupted blood to ignore bleed immunity?

ok seems like they did

[violet nymph]

yes, bleed and corrupted blood are two different things now.

[rocky nebula]

All things considered, this league has really ruined performance for me. Conqueror mobs that spawn pretty much freeze the game for me, even though I have a good PC

[sonic glen]

so when do I start seeing these crazy improved act boss drops

[dense summit]

wait, Ruin and Stalking Ruin are different?

[sonic glen]

Yes

Ruin buffs the monsters, Stalking Ruin spawns the ghost that chases you

Both add to Ruin stacks to make you fail

[dense summit]

huh. thanks

[solid basin]

Do hardcore players even make much use of this mechanic? It seems dangerous, to be honest, but I'm new at the game and still suck at handling trials. Already died twice so far while practising in softcore.

[violet nymph]

When do we get to kill trial master?

[verbal wyvern]

Trial master is the wave 10 challenge

[violet nymph]

Wave 10? is it when you completed the ultimatum 10 times in a row? or when does this wave 10 occur?

[verbal wyvern]

You have to complete 10 waves of the ultimatum

[violet nymph]

Yes but isnt that every ultimatum?

[verbal wyvern]

Unless you’re quite high into maps, you won’t see it

[violet nymph]

10 waves

[verbal wyvern]

No

[zealous ledge]

i love the new league it closes your game at log in screen 😄

[lavish finch]

Great game design kekw

[glad whale]

Is it just me or does sometimes it just feels like one Ultimatum wave is easily doable and then the next one is just extremely hard

[lavish finch]

Well yes they are supposed to get harder?

[hot quail]

If you pick the wrong mods...yes

[eager terrace]

it's probably the layout

the mechanic is not particularly flexible when it comes to spawn placement

seems to spawn the same amount of enemies whether it is a tiny room or completely open space

[grizzled harbor]

Did they change something in the last patch? I went from finishing every single t16 ultimatum to dying in every single one.

[spiral light]

might be confirmation bias, but i feel like they slightly lowered the amount of mobs and increased their damage?

[empty crystal]

feels like it. but could also be that my defense sucks 🙈

[violet nymph]

Uhm is the bug known that Ultimatum offers no next item?

https://i.imgur.com/20RTVfW.png

[rough onyx]

Yeah they know
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3090038

3rd bullet point

[violet nymph]

Ah thanks

[little crow]

are there any builds that hold up well in high tier ultis? something not meta

[spice yew]

There any good league starters that aren't Arc Witch or Summon Witch?

[vast gazelle]

yes

what do you want to do @spice yew

like what kinda playstyle

attacks, spells, any element, etc/

[spice yew]

If anyone happens to know any, I'd super appreciate it. Just tired of the same rinse repeat haha. Feel free to @ or DM

[verbal wyvern]

"rinse and repeat" is the core gameplay of ARPG's @spice yew idk what you're expecting really

[spice yew]

Considering they have added spells and Arc is an ancient ability it's time they nerf it and make other things just as viable.

^^^ That. Like everyone else when they add new abilities.

[verbal wyvern]

then don't play arc or summon?

theres plenty of skills to choose from

[spice yew]

You see the part where I asked a good league starter right? Make that two people to just avoid.

[verbal wyvern]

i could recommend something but then you totally hate it and blame me for my "shitty suggestion"

idk what skills or playstyle you enjoy

[spice yew]

Still looking for any league starter suggestions.

[vast gazelle]

id recommend flameslinger https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009295, steel skill champion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ITwRb8xv8, or cold dot occultist with wintertide brand https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2909303

if he doesnt see this feel free to at him and credit me lmao

[spice yew]

Necro cremation?

[junior iron]

guys whats the best atlass passive tree to go for for some consistent currency farming ? last league i used to do harvest + harbingers but this league i don't know if it's still goo

[vast gazelle]

im pretty sure farming up temples to sell valuable rooms is big profit

[buoyant agate]

Got my first Inscribed Ultimatum. It's a Survive trial. How long will I need to survive?

[sonic glen]

why didn't alva give me a temple item? She just opened it...

[strong widget]

A lot of the good currency farming methods got nerfed. I think lab farming and heist can do some

[eager terrace]

inscribed survival missions seem to be ~90 seconds

[vital cargo]

@sonic glen theres 2 buttons 1 says open the other says get it as a map or w.e

[neat rover]

its me or ultimatum rewards are 95% of time dogshit?

like i havent gotten any item worth more than 10c

[quick raven]

these guys are sick, they have a die beam and charged dash's cool older brother

no idea if they would actually be good in maps though

Viper if/when you see this, the images they leave behind that blow up chill the player even as spectres

[sand garnet]

so does getting a win streak make ultimatum rewards better?

like if you win 8 times in a row do you keep getting better and better items from subsequent ultimatums?

[eager terrace]

no

[sand garnet]

ah

so there's no upside apart from pissing the trialmaster off?

[eager terrace]

not that I can tell

[sand garnet]

:/

do the rewards at least get better with map tiers? i seem to be getting the same low tier rewards in red maps as i got in whites

like, 130 perandus coins as a 4th reward bad

[eager terrace]

seems pretty similar to me tbh

[dusky kernel]

pissing him off is how you get offered more rounds

eventually 10

where something happens

[quick raven]

pissing him off is also good for your soul, nice to get back at that petty bastard

[eager terrace]

I don’t think consecutive wins is tied to the total waves

when I first fought him it was right after bailing on a trial at like wave 3

[violet nymph]

Hello guys...i want to ask about inscribed ultimatum!
Ive already did 300 maps and only dropped one of them.
Is that supposed to be like that or i m doing something wrong?

[lilac saffron]

I dropped way more in less maps. You might just be unlucky.

I dropped like 10 in 140-150 maps

Or maybe Im the one being lucky. I dont know

[violet nymph]

dont think so cuz ive dropped already 13-15 ex

[lilac saffron]

I wouldnt complain then lul

[violet nymph]

its not a complain, im asking if its ok 😛

[lilac saffron]

Yeah it definitely can happen

Most of them are bad anyways so not a big loss

[dapper dragon]

people are like ultimatum drops no loot, this is my 3'rd ex

[tawny pasture]

people hate cuz they like to

ulti is really decent

[vast gazelle]

ulti usually gives me 3-10c min

i dont know how one could dislike it

[tawny pasture]

GGG , since when alva is a powerfull monster than can be tormented ?

[vast gazelle]

her gold digging ways are giving her moral concerns for once

[tawny pasture]

its been 2 temple

that she didnt buff me

i hate her

[light sinew]

Anyone struggling to keep their zombies and spectres alive in ultimatum as a minion build?

[proper widget]

do u have 2 defensive minion clusters on the tree

may not be enough at that with so much stuff going off

[light sinew]

I believe so

Can't check since at work currently

[silver kettle]

Oops

[clear tapir]

do you know what is the itneraction between delirium and ultimatum encounters ?
do they stop the clock of delirium ?

[copper kernel]

yeah they pause delirium

[red jackal]

they also add very little progress to the delirium bars fwiw

[next epoch]

delirium makes ultimatum encounters incredibly deadly. don't do it

[quasi heron]

for those who said this league sucks, to each their own 👍

[violet nymph]

You can get that in every league tbh

But congrats

[quasi heron]

never had this kind of luck in any other league, and I'm relatively new so lucky I know what this was.

[hasty dawn]

i heard heist made exalt plummet now ultimatum raise ex prices?

[sly quest]

how much do exalt ultimatums go for?

[clear tapir]

what does it mean when the color of the item is not yellow but a little bit blrured like that ?

[light adder]

Relic version from the vaal reliquary keys for example, just a shiny version of the item

[frigid shore]

Is there a trick to get ultimatum to go beyond 6-8 waves? im doing T16's but never seen higher

[verbal wyvern]

its rng

[frigid shore]

so just unlucky I guess

[vernal lagoon]

how do you even spawn the boss ? i feel like it never spawns and smh yesterday i got it twice in same hour WTF?

[red jackal]

rng

[vernal lagoon]

lol

i thought if you do them perfect one after another there should be an increased chance

smh i got it after a good streak of non failed t16 ultimatums

[red jackal]

I still haven't seen it at lvl 94, 23 watchstones, finishing (almost) every ulti

[vernal lagoon]

oh...

dunno it seemed super weird getting it twice in same hour yday

i thought there's something hidden behind it

[violet nymph]

I thought it would happen like

Often

At t16

[hasty dawn]

does minions help capture stone circles faster

[modest canopy]

Hey I have a question about the Trialmaster Boss me and a friend was doing it, he died, I didn't (didn't get 7 ruin stacks either) but ultimatum failed anyway for me.
is there anything else that can cause me to fail the Ultimatum mechanic. Cause I'm kinda sad I lost a Prism Guardian
Sorry if I'm asking in the wrong place

[rich bolt]

I'm nearing the end of the campaign and ultimatums are getting nearly impossible where before I could do at least a few waves; is this intended or could my build be just unsuitable? (storm brand + golems elementalist)

[carmine vigil]

How to get to higher than 6 rounds of ulti?

Feel like something got changed where people are stuck at 6 rounds

[violet stone]

Just play and keep going at them, im quite sure its just rng how many rounds you get

[carmine vigil]

Really? Felt like 2 days ago i was going higher after passing certain tier maps

[next epoch]

why does the Trialmaster offer such shitty items in maps sometimes

[copper kernel]

the first rewards are always shit

[bold basalt]

my mean profit from ultis is like 6c

its so bad, even worse than rituals

[lament gale]

rituals generally faster/easier too

[rugged delta]

im looking to start the league on a fresh new build, i want something Tanky, Deals dmg, and is brain dead to play. I used to play Sunder but it plateaus so hard, molten balls was a lot of fun, any suggestions?

[prisma charm]

I’m enjoying blade blast bladefall poison with plague

[runic dawn]

kay's summoner

[rugged delta]

do you have a guide i can follow?

[hexed sparrow]

When the trial master says “Chance no longer favors you” what he means to say is “Here, let me freeze your Client and crash you into death” right??

[verbal wyvern]

if you like slam builds, i can highly recommend juggernaut or gladiator bleedquake

[runic dawn]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2181275

[celest blade]

why does it keep telling me that the sacrifice is not correct (doubles currency - i insert chaos / alts)

[unkempt dome]

but which currency it wants?

[celest blade]

oh right, had to hover over it lol

[proud bloom]

How do you get to stage 7 on ultimatum?

I've been doing t14+ maps and it always stop at 6, no ruins.

[agile idol]

oi vey I went from winning every ultimatum to losing like 9 of my last 10 lol

everything is going fine them bam I just randomly drop dead. Not ruin

Worst is when those big hulky-lookin dudes are not even on my screen then suddenly sprint 200 mph next to me and melee me for a oneshot while Im casting something I started before they were on my screen lmfao

[tough iris]

how can i spawn the trialmaster battle

is it rng? or do i need some specific machanic

[red jackal]

rng

[zinc fern]

Did they significantly reduce the number of mobs in Ultimatum?(if so why? I thought it was nice having a shit ton of mobs =higher difficulty)

[empty crystal]

I'd say no. For me looks like not all models for mobs load before they are dead <:

[rose pasture]

Yep.
If you not see monsters in poe it doesnt mean theyre not exists.

Thanx texture streaming

[hollow nova]

is there any benefit to having a win streak in ult?

[languid path]

yes, your ego

[alpine sierra]

People are really bad at maths trying to sell inscribed ultimatums

[true lantern]

Can anyone let me raise their spectres?

[rose pasture]

global 6666

[final summit]

What is the best thing you guys got from ultimatum?

[violet nymph]

4c

so far

[lucid dagger]

Those monsters in Ultimatums that stack ruin --- they have to successfully hit you for the ruin to apply, yeah? Meaning if you have a high enough block, evade, or dodge they can actually be not that threatening?

[rigid stream]

Im Not quite Sure but, i think you have to Not get Hit at all

Meaning Block/Dodge probably wont save you

[cunning blade]

u can evade and dodge

not sure about block

[lavish finch]

anyone using rampage in ultimatum?

[bold basalt]

i do

its pretty nice

sometimes it oneshots wave and stuff

[eager charm]

@rigid stream @cunning blade block does prevent ruin stacks, but you’ll need a high block chance to really ignore them

[rigid stream]

Oh it does? Thats nice. Even the Special Attack one?

[eager charm]

Yup

[storm crown]

If you kill all The monsters you also avoid The ruin, tip of The Day 😏

[fading cedar]

What are the new atziri drops?

[rigid stream]

Ring and staff

[clear tapir]

starting to get a little bit nervous

[storm crown]

Nice

[clear tapir]

my best loot this league !

[storm crown]

Not even in 1 stck ☹️

Why make them fall seperatly!

[clear tapir]

i guess it's because it's rewards from two different step of the trial

[rigid stream]

Phasing

[cunning blade]

yes

ultimatum gameplay is basically run in circles along the edges

evasion is also great

[rigid stream]

You can use a Quarz flask

[storm crown]

Have gotten chaos that has been put together..

[unkempt sparrow]

Yo, how to people sell these ultimatum trial invitations?

[drifting valley]

nice

[lilac root]

Theres ones that drop

[worldly burrow]

best builds for farming ultimatums?

cause i'm done with my current build

[nimble hedge]

I have been hard farming them with a Death's Oath and Caustic arrow. The explosions clear all the rares. I have been farming them super efficiently in reds so I also have a lot of currency I need to dump into it and try and fit temp chains into it for more safety as well.

[worldly burrow]

ok ty :D

[ionic yew]

You can do Ign prolif. Flameblast can clear the whole area. Anything with large aoe basically

[unkempt dome]

tr/ca trickster is so good with high evasion

not the fastest clear but i don't die

[ionic yew]

Raider is a good choice for high evasion and phasing, too

[worldly burrow]

i wonder if i can make my actual build do ultimatums

[hollow nova]

is there a reliable way to price inscribed ultimatums?

im assuming this would be worth 10 fusings at least right?

[eager terrace]

it cannot be worth 10 fusing

it costs 10 fusing to run in the first place

if they paid you 10 fusing and trialmaster 10 fusing, they get 0 fusing profit if they win and -20 if they lose

[sharp kite]

Don't underestimate dumb people though. I Sold a exalt double one for 1ex

[robust surge]

LOL WTF?

Literally doesnt give anything xD

[fallow pine]

yeah wait for the ting to load in

[robust surge]

oh I waited

Like 3 minutes literally nothing

I also hovered over it and it said nothing

[bold basalt]

oops

better luck next time

[hot jetty]

Any luck getting the trialmaster fight to show back up? Ive only faught him once this league and seldomly have I seen the trials go past 6. I am currently farming him in red maps and pass each one every map.

[analog atlas]

hmm... I'm not sure if Ultimatum fight were designed to be fought this way 😄

sitting in a corner/next to wall, spamming skills and dodging harder attacks seems to be most efficient tactic

running in circles usually gets you killed

[ebon locust]

Is razor dance the hardest challenge to find?

[light adder]

Isn´t that still bugged and disabled?

[ebon locust]

ohhh is that why that challenge cant be found??

[violet nymph]

@ebon locust razor dance was disabled for the time being cuz right before launch it was still bugged. So ye that's why

[foggy pivot]

Can I ask questions concerning the trade of inscribed ultimatums here?

[devout osprey]

yes

[halcyon veldt]

Does anyone know how I can recognize the Totem of Costly Might or whatever it's called? I want to do the challenge but I can't seem to ever find the totem even when I select it as a mod.

[vast gazelle]

its an untargetable red totem that appears charges up and releases a wave of red energy so uh

gl

[oblique jasper]

Yup had this happen yesterday as well. Can confirm the reward in indeed nothing.

[eager terrace]

the totem is actually like a small thing that does charge up, blasts in an AoE, then disappears

things caught in the blast get the buff

it's very hard to identify in all the mess

[languid path]

just go farm quarry for a bit

then you can just afk on top of the totem

[lone hatch]

yo where the fuck do I find the razor dance ultimatum mod

I am in red maps and have not found it yet

it's the only one I'm missing

oh I just scrolled up nvm

[thin vine]

anyone have a minute in game to help me test something in pvp?

whether totems apply hinder from touch of cruelty notable

[rare girder]

you cant

[cunning blade]

[slender temple]

in b4 razor dance was reflect mod

[primal spruce]

Are these only on higher tier maps, or am I just being unlucky like I dont think I have ever seen them?

[copper kernel]

razor dance is currently unavailable

[primal spruce]

Yeah that one I know of but I don't think I have ever seen Bonus Chaos damage for example, is it a higher tier of one of them like i dunno tier 4 miasma or something or maybe I need higher tier maps?

[copper kernel]

im not sure but its probably gated by tiers if you havent seen it yet

its not that rare

[next epoch]

bonus chaos damage is separate from miasma, I've seen it in yellow maps

the mod is something to the effect of "monsters gain 30% of physical damage as chaos"

[primal spruce]

ill keep looking then thanks!

[next epoch]

less cooldown recovery is pretty common and can spawn anywhere afaik (it's got a yellow hourglass icon I think?)

[primal spruce]

And just like that after running what feels like 100+ I finally got one of them xD

[barren crescent]

For what I've noticed, most of those rarer mods spawn in waves 3-5, very rare on the first two waves

[violet nymph]

Pretty sure a few dont spawn till you take their prerequisite one.

[final umbra]

Playing exsanguinate - I splurged and got myself an awakened chain support - but it doesn't seem to really make that much difference in clearing when compared to the normal chain support. I think it makes a big difference for ultimatums, though - anyone else notice that?

Also, after awakened chain - what should my next awakened gem priority be?

Brutality?

[hot jetty]

Either that or controlled destruction. If you run corrupting fever you could also try awakened swift affliction for it.

[agile idol]

chisel alc vaal'd red map and this is what a full ultimatum gives lol uhhh

[light jay]

finally some good rewards

jesus took some time before i managed to get something good from trialmastah

[frail bluff]

[kind mango]

when no filter

sheesh

[lunar glade]

[velvet aspen]

missed an exalted orb

[kind mango]

there is no way

[misty reef]

ANYONE can tell me what kind of HEIST stuff i can sell, like where to check and what is selling, got ton of blueprint, contract but don't know if they are worth something

[past linden]

What's the lowest map tier that 10-Wave Ultis can pop up on?

[verbal wyvern]

its rng

[past linden]

so they can show in any maps?

[verbal wyvern]

as far as we're aware

[covert maple]

Is there any specific conditions that need to be met to get offered a trialmaster fight?

[lilac root]

Whats the trialmaster fight even get you?

[covert maple]

a completed challenge 😛

[grave bloom]

my PC can handle the rest of the game fine (60-80 fps while mapping with all the vfx that entails) but I'm dropping to a slideshow in ultimatums, what should I do?

[spare crane]

persevere

[grave bloom]

my frametime graph is exponential in ultimatums

[rugged hamlet]

I just wanna say, they are banning people for using the Ultimatum Survival exploit, but it didnt fix it in the mid season patch? They could have made it when you aren't inside the circle monsters do not drop loot and they probably could of fixed it.

[silver kettle]

it was fixed a few hours after people started doing it

[rugged hamlet]

Not on console :/

[silver kettle]

it will be bundled with the next console patch then

either way, it's not going to be mentioned in the 3.14.1 patch except for if it's needed in the console specific notes

[rugged hamlet]

Then thats good.

I appreciate the clearing up of that.

[tawny pasture]

would be nice if game crash wouldnt annul metamorph boss in tane lab ..

[proud kite]

did GGG even say what they were gonna change w map drops? i've just sextanted 4 watchstones, put in 3x fragments w my 69% quant rare map and i got no map at all? i turned off my filter...not a single white map drop....*edit: i ran this map

[tawny pasture]

the map drop isnt that bad

just upgrade your x/164 and it will be better

[coral garden]

U did ONE map

[tawny pasture]

also you should do zana mission and other master like temple(alva)

and buy some map from zana for cheap at start

city in delve is also a good provider

[hidden delta]

hi guys, how's the new league?

[dreamy carbon]

people would be having fun if the texture/loading issues hadn't magically gotten WAY worse

[dreamy carbon]

if the player is given the option to bail on any wave and ALWAYS choose death instead, that's on the player

it's what Legion was advertised as but for real this time, "take your good shit and leave."

[hard cliff]

Yea I go 5-7 waves perfectly fine don’t even get chunked, than randomly get blown up before I even get to blink and can’t tell what causes it because there’s so much going on and everything disappears so I can’t even look over mobs to see what’s causing my death.

I’d say the mechanic is pretty damn rippy for the average person.

[violet nymph]

You guys are having texture streaming issues?
I have one slow load per session of me playing for like 6 hours.

[violet nymph]

Just freeze them 4head :^)

[hard cliff]

same here and its usually when i first log in.

[cloud wyvern]

are miners doing good with ultimatum?? Seems like they might be 2 squishy for how it goes in t15+ maps

[void vigil]

miners getting shit on

you need real defenses afaik

[slender temple]

yeah pretty much every area change game acts like its never loaded any of my inventory or palyer model textures before. and im having invisible monsters in maps frequently

new tier of challenge: invisible monsters. reminiscent of that one RE Game where you could make the zombies invisible hahahaha.

its ok im still smashing stuff i just can't see it

[empty crystal]

Texture streaming is just terrible. But for my build and performance it seems to be okay to not see monsters 😅

[lyric kayak]

is it possible to get Delirium reward type in blood aqueducts?

[crimson frigate]

DM me if you see anything wrong with my new build! Any suggestions
https://poeplanner.com/b/dTY

[neat rover]

how rare is trialmaster? i have awakener 9 level atlas... i did so many ultimatiums im sick of it already

[paper granite]

very

[devout osprey]

i got him in t14 map, im at a6 atlas so i guess youre unlucky

[tawny pasture]

i got it 3 time so far

die twice

[solid tapir]

Hello, wheres an easy place to find Ultimatums?

[languid path]

good old quarry

[solid tapir]

I just reached Act 9 wont quarry be too hard?

[languid path]

then good old harbour bridge

[solid tapir]

Ok ill go try that out thank you

[trail flicker]

Ultimatum happens, 1 ex, 10 ex shard, boss spawns, kill the boss, get achievement, get killed by a busting cold flower after the boss is dead. Lose all reward. Intended?

[tawny pasture]

yup

poe can be a bitch

with the effect after death

[cunning blade]

it shouldn't even be a thing tbh

since the aim of the ultimatum is to kill the boss without dying

not having to continue surviving after the boss already died

[tawny pasture]

they romoved most of the after death effect in game

its lame

but im not surprised

[cunning blade]

so long as ur alive when the boss died it shud be considered a success

[tawny pasture]

its probably because of the delay between the death and loot explosion

[lilac saffron]

Bad coding

[lucid dagger]

Anyone know how Delirum and Ultimatum are designed to interact? I'm talking about delirious maps and not maps with a delirium mirror --- Since the reward meter doesn't move while doing ultimatums in delirious maps, I'm assuming ultimatum supposedly treats the map as if it were not delirious?

If yes, why does it drop simulacrum splinters as loot? Also the ultimatum mobs seem extra rippy as if they were delirious (I ran it on a T10 and I died after 3 waves, but my character can tank T16 ultimatums most of the time).

[cloud wyvern]

gotten 5 times, 3 times took the reward, died 2 times 😄

[drowsy mantle]

yay i'm happy my build still works so far (act 8), first time playing POE not following premade builds, i made an ice shot + iceshot totems
not a popular combo it seems but it's fun to play for me.

https://clips.twitch.tv/GlutenFreeSpikyBeanFreakinStinkin-XAzR7ZJ3TGovdaiu

[tawny pasture]

The meter move from ultimatum

If you encounter it at the start it will move faster than lvl 3-4 for meter

[honest quail]

can i use a corrupted unique for the inscribed ultimatum requirement?

[fast crest]

The unique isn't being modified; so I'm fairly sure a krangled one is fair game. Not 100%

[burnt flower]

Do the rewards actually get better once you get to maps?

[lucid stone]

Does Recoup count as regeneration?

[vast gazelle]

the wiki seems to indicate that its a form of recovery

that is not regeneration

[lucid stone]

Is it % the damage you take over four seconds, or is it the damage you take every second for four seconds?

[violet nymph]

it's % of the damage you would have taken, split over 4 seconds

[lucid stone]

Oh, so it's really bad.

[violet nymph]

no it's pretty decent actually

as in, if you took a 1k hit and you had 2k max life but were only at 1k, it would be 600 flat, and then 100 every second for 4 seconds

@lucid stone

[lucid stone]

What are good non-CI ways to negate chaos damage?

[violet nymph]

Chaos res

[pallid gull]

is there anything that could prevent the trialmaster to appear?

i've been doing hundreds of T14-T16 maps with completed ultimatum without seeing him

[barren crescent]

some rumors going around that the chance per map is 2%

[pallid gull]

https://gyazo.com/ceaa3123924b00af273fd4cf716db08a (i've prolly 300 haewark maps done) and I've had only 2 trialmasters

[livid lake]

@oblique reef Remove the youtube link or I will need to remove your post for self-promotion.

[oblique reef]

@livid lake Self-promotion? This is a guide for the community.

Anyways I don't need this channel to share my guide.

And you gotta say "Please remove the youtube link". Remove the youtube link is an order...

[spice cipher]

cause it was an order from a mod lmao

[oblique reef]

GGG needs to teach these mods some kindness

[copper kernel]

GGG needs to teach regular users to read the rules

[spice cipher]

who da fuck are you

LOL

ggg has nothing to do with this server

[copper kernel]

not literally

but they dont run it

[spice cipher]