so you can leave with 1 helmet 2c 1ex etc i believe
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carmine vigil
gaunt loom
cobalt falcon
Is there any limit we can increase difficulty?
violet nymph
u guys think an occultist ED contagion will be good for ultimatums?
spring citrus
does the league reset or in anyway lose your toons there?
Ohhh okay when will that happen? or when does it happen
Ohhh ok ty!
violet nymph
Does someone now.. if when I play Reap Mines will this cost life too?
I mean it's a spell so it can be used as a mine right?
wanton bridge
reap if i understood it correctly is melee attacks
barren crescent
reap if i understood it correctly is melee attacks
where you get this information? Might want to recheck this.
red jackal
that's just a conjured scythe - if that's what you're referring to
wanton bridge
yes
wild arch
Cruelty support sounds like it's gonna double dip on viper strike threshold
Also vile toxins to an extent
slender temple
Did anyone ask about whether it will be noted ON an item if it has been split and therefore imprint-immune? becuase this affects people selling bases and buying bases. gonna be some scamming if its not obvious if something can't be imprinted anymore by just looking at it. asking here cuz not much traffic here someone @ ggg might see it.
spiral light
it says on the item itself below the mods if it was split
its somewhere on the content reveal video i think
tender tusk
mirrored and that should probably be red
spiral light
or like have a line divider between the explicit modifiers or something
paper flare
Not split, then you'd think it's unmodifiable
tender tusk
split makes the item have restrictions on it
imo all mods that restrict editing in some way need to be clear
and corrupted is red while mirrored is blue even though mirrored is more restrictive lul
paper flare
I mean corrupted is red bc vaal is red
spiral light
Split stops imprinting and further splitting right ?
Both copies cant be imprinted or split again, yes
slender temple
ok thanks
only other seriously abused beast thing is the 1:6:6 thing . capture -> 6 boss -> 6 craft per boss
if they nerf it i imagine it will just drive the price up as spply goes down
so it would be fine to leave it alone
tender tusk
hopefully they just make it so the beast just goes to the map owner
slender temple
well 1:1:6 or 1:1:1 doesnt matter
it will stil be worth doing
as the amount of captures and crafts obtained will just lower the supply
peopel still thirsty for spiders
red jackal
just annul it off 
red jackal
yeah, obviously. :p
fallen wind
what info comes out today?
red jackal
dev manifesto
fallen wind
nice nice. patch notes are thursday right?
fallen wind
time to see how much shit gets nerfed to the ground again
winter rain
only once but still ez ex
Not really since getting Split tag on an item makes it impossible to meta craft with imprint beasts. So you are getting 2 items but both with reduced usability.
neat rover
bro imprints use like 1% of playerbase...
carmine vigil
Imprints?
barren crescent
not many people make it through the first few acts
I have to say I hate this statistic, such pointless on multi million user platform for f2p game
slender temple
i guess
slender temple
Oh what are blueprints also?
blueprints are special contracts you can run from rogue harbour
imprints let you snapshot an item that is magic and you can revert it if you brick it.
barren crescent
That is like saying average player matters for harvest balancing, while at other sentence referring that average player according to t his steam statistic doesn't beat Brutus.
By face value both "average players" are referring to same pool of players.
bold basalt
of course noone ever talks about average player
everyone expcts the 'median player'
cut of the absolute casuals that dont get into map, the absolute Empy juicers
and ou get relevant people
barren crescent
Except when faced with an opinion they are not supporting
bold basalt
can't use 'everyone who ever played PoE' interchangeably with playerbase
barren crescent
You shouldn't, that I agree
raven elm
Will rewards be coop friendly? or based on party leader only? This was my issue with the past league =/ it was not very coop friendly
ember lodge
Hmm just found out that MoM applies before Petr Blood. That opens up some interesting interactions
silver kettle
Will rewards be coop friendly? or based on party leader only? This was my issue ...
Every player in a party gets their own separate rewards from ultimatum encounters
next epoch
I have to say I hate this statistic, such pointless on multi million user platfo...
the relative numbers are still meaningful, although I wish they'd reset sometimes -- right now the stats for anything past A3 are weird because they include counts from back when A4 didn't exist
bold basalt
Every player in a party gets their own separate rewards from ultimatum encounter...
i'd like to know if there's some looking into beast multiboxing, any feedback on that?
silver kettle
that's the sort of question I'm not supposed to discuss here, sorry
I'm just here in my spare time, not in an official capacity as a GGG rep
bold basalt
no problem
slender temple
if you can . please put in a ticket (again) to get pale council music to music player . I think henry(ggg) did that a few leagues ago but instead we got a bunch of other stuff almost all the good stuff too just not that one song haha..
odd patrol
So wait, anyone got an idea on how to make money all my methods were just gutted?
slender temple
mirror recipe obviously
odd patrol
Oh Ok what is it, a full set of unidentified exalted orbs, one of each influence?
slender temple
i have no idea
i didnt see anything about sextupling einhars so
thats gonna be a good way
its kind of painful but
consistent
also just picking up good bases might be ok too
with the einhar nerfs
meta crafting wont focus around infinitely duped perfect bases
odd patrol
Yeah the best bases might be worth more than 1ex
slender temple
actually that is quite a good target
hit t16 ASAP
you can make some good money
not from drops per se but
odd patrol
Yeah I'll try the mirror recipe too
slender temple
from the 5 affixed smart loot
that might be good enough to fix yourself to sell ? idk
lets see
odd patrol
Yeah we'll see
violet nymph
Patch notes when?
slender temple
tomorrorw
violet nymph
!summonpatchnotes
copper kernel
30 hours from now probably
slender temple
yes first you find like 600 exalts then you go on the trade website and find someone selling a mirror then place 600 exalts in trade window and a mirror will aappear
or wahtever it costs
violet nymph
Ah i see
knotty wolf
600 is a bit cheap isn't it
slender temple
right now y eah
but this friday it will be cheap
if you can make 50-80 ex in the first day
i wont even be in maps until day 3 but i watch teh discussions haha
knotty wolf
50-80ex first day haha good one
That is how much I could make in 3 months with my current skill level.
cunning blade
the fuck?
wait so they didnt nerf indigon for mana stacking?
besides the alt qual berzerk
but they decided to nerf TR and also gut hardened scars
vast gazelle
they nerfed indigon for miners, correct, it wasnt really abusive with selfcast
berserk and vaal rf were a bit silly for spells too
mint bloom
I'm just glad ignite prolif doesnt seem to have been touched
hopefully elementalist doesnt get other nerfs too
looking forward to BA and Hexblast again
vast gazelle
im interested in minmaxing another hexblast if i can make enough money to afford to make gear
lethal minnow
they nerfed indigon for miners, correct, it wasnt really abusive with selfcast
It's not even a nerf lol. Since you place mines before poping arcane cloak lol
vast gazelle
well, i find it difficult to believe mana costs wont then be enough that spamming out that many mines is a pain in the ass
carmine vigil
so bv and bb getting a nerf from what manifesto said right?
sharp valley
is there a table of the changed corrupted essences ?
violet nymph
so bv and bb getting a nerf from what manifesto said right?
yes
i.e. they'll still be perfectly fine lol
they'd have to like halve bb's damage and like
idek what they could do to bv that would make it not viable
carmine vigil
actually feel like that would kill bv
slender temple
Well it would be a worse cyclone
ornate summit
Are there any skills that apply a physical dot like the new blood skills currently?
tender tusk
only non bleed phys dots are item degens
ornate summit
ah ok, thanks for the info!
thin sail
What about fire bv self curse now
empty lion
Was going to play that Scion MoM miner this league, guess not D:
unkempt pecan
So I understand Ultimatum isn't infinite, but has at most 10 tiers?
crimson eagle
who knows
red jackal
I think I read/heard 15 somewhere, but I might very well be wrong
15 seems quite high tbh
crimson eagle
yeah
unkempt pecan
I was asking how many times can you choose to keep going.
This has no relation with time nor enemies killed. 🤔
crimson eagle
they said 10 in the video but it might be more
crimson eagle
they mentioned a special suprise at 10
unkempt pecan
Hmm...
frank rivet
that special surprise is likely just a bossfight
like kosis but vaal or something like that
red jackal
its based on time not enemies killed though
that's not true, it can also be based on waves
different types of ultimatums
winged tartan
Who else gonna save up, gamble it all, lose it all and repeat this same process throughout the whole league?
Considering what they said you could do with exalts I guess you can do it with every item in the game including div cards and maybe even "mirror" items the same way?
frank rivet
only if the ultimatum asks for it
and i'd imagine they wont make a mirror gamble one
unkempt pecan
Make a mirror dupe but make it a trap by making the enemy literally invincible.
frank rivet
because that would feel terrible to drop for an average player?
cunning blade
u can sell it?
unkempt pecan
Reduces inflation.
zenith warren
Mirror gamble one bad to dropp for an average player?
What is bad about like 100-200 ex?
frank rivet
not playing content is bad
remember legion? running emblems was literally not viable if you didnt have a HH
frank rivet
its the same kind of gating
zenith warren
You say dropping 1 valueable item that you cant use yourself does make the entire content invalid?
frank rivet
access to content should not be a "valuable drop"
when the best way to use a map/boss key is to sell it it feels bad
zenith warren
There will be like 100000 other thing you can run
And sell the only thing you cant use since you dont have the currency for it?
exotic grove
didnt they say when you choose a different wave mod or whatever it changes the item in a predictable way?
looking up seeing theres gambling
since its weighted the chance of you increasing your mirrors is so low
spiral light
the thing with legion was that the rewards scaled twice with speed, increasing both the rewards and the rate that you got them, and that was what made it not viable without HH. i don't think it'll be that way for the itemized ultimatums, as its a fixed reward
austere geyser
i cant wait for putting in exalt to print another one just for my game to crash together with the whole instance
unkempt pecan
Just 1Ex - not much lost.
opaque copper
Farm tidal 20x for low level league mechanic easy clappings, get tabula/other low level uniques, easy act 10.
zenith warren
Or just level normal and be as fast?
spare axle
probably done 10 acts by the time you get a tabula with tidals
carmine vigil
Whats tidals?
devout osprey
tidal island
carmine vigil
Thats the egg mission one right?
carmine vigil
Ah ok
mortal folio
probably faster than running for an oni-goroshi start
zenith warren
I dont know what does make farming oni goroshi fun
But i guess everyone for himself 😄
paper flare
I dont know what does make farming oni goroshi fun
Pain and suffering, it's fun when it's over
tawdry knoll
Yah and then you finally have it on HCSSF and die in act 3
So the suffering starts all over again
worldly scaffold
PATCH NOTES WHEN
slender temple
PATCH NOTES WHEN
within the next 8 hours
thin vine
any guesses as to whether corrupting fever's corrupted blood can be applied by totems, and if so whether it would apply at full damage?
nova ether
will rewards from ultimatum scale with map quant/rarity?
slender temple
any guesses as to whether corrupting fever's corrupted blood can be applied by t...
should say on gem if it can be used by totems
rather if it CANT
thin vine
the gem applies a buff to you like blood rage, it doesn't get linked to totems ever
unless you want the totem to repeatedly cast the buff on itself
that's why it's weird, we don't have any other buff that has its own base damage separate from any skill's damage
carmine vigil
bv dead?
fallen tulip
is Legion farming nerfed? cant rmb names of the nodes
sour yew
Harvest is a Zana modifier for 12c. We'll find out real quick if Harvest is sufficiently nerfed, lol
tulip warren
Lol WTH is this new berserker node. Cast when damage taken proc every 10 times you get hit? WTF.
limber gorge
Is the conqueror fight "map item" tradable?
"Conquerors of the Atlas encounters can now be accessed through a map item."
devout osprey
i think it gives you a map item that you can buff instead of giving you a map with no mods
vale briar
What is the value of defy pain here? Obviously you’d have massive armor and take the big hit, then total recovery is increased, but past that?
gloomy violet
So... for the incursion unique changes, it's not clear if the upgraded versions are affected or not? Does Coward's Legacy (upgraded belt) still have "count as low life" and then non upgraded is "full life"?
devout osprey
they only updated the version that was written in notes.
sonic glen
So they say that the Vaal Reliquary Key is the rarest yet...but I've never seen a Reliquary Key at all. Is this a past league mechanic I'm not aware of? I started in Delirium.
copper kernel
Its a 1 league thing
tawny pasture
leegacy league was the first to introduce iir
gloomy violet
they dropped in delve league too
but i got 36 challenges in delve and never saw one
ionic kernel
So uh. looks at ipdates Did they kill Toxic Rain?
thin vine
So they say that the Vaal Reliquary Key is the rarest yet...but I've never seen ...
reliquary keys haven't existed in temp leagues since before delirium
i think the last league was delve?
violet nymph
yes, delve
cunning blade
@ionic kernel doubt its a kill
must find a sweet spot now for aoe according to remi
dunno how much tbe spread scales with aoe anyway
if it scales more than the pod aoe then we might have to go less aoe to scale single target
limber spire
if they made it so that aoe overlap never happens, it might be time to swap into conc effect + tons of projectiles
cunning blade
uh
if theres no overlap then the skill is dead
and GGG has done dumb shit before but I doubt even they are that dumb to do that
rocky nebula
If they have, it's gonna be another oopsie that won't be fixed until the end of the league
ionic kernel
Unless killing it was their intention?
tawny pasture
Mathil effect ?
lucid stone
Reserving Mana or Life no longer involves spending anything - so you don't need any current Mana to turn on an Aura, you just need enough of your Mana orb to be unreserved that the Aura's reservation will fit. However, while previously reservations were mutually exclusive with costs, this is no longer the case and it's possible for a skill to have both a reservation and a cost, in which case the cost will still require spending (but using a reservation skill a second time to 'turn it off' does not require paying the cost again). The most notable case of this is Mine skills - these all have costs as well as reservations, which must both be satisfied to use the skill, and can each be modified separately. This also means that mechanics that add to the costs of skills, such as the Voidbringer unique gloves, will now affect skills with reservations, which previously escaped this due to being unable to have both. Likewise, Support gems that add a Mana reservation to skills, such as Blasphemy, no longer inherently remove the cost as part of that process.
This is a big buff for march of the legion builds.
sharp iron
Wait, since mana cost and mana multiplier are being separated, what will happen to Enlightem support? Will they change it to resources in general, and thus make it lower Life and Rage costs as well?
sharp valley
.... maybe
i mean it should work that way since it affects the cost multiplier now
there is no mana multiplier
sharp iron
Actually, I don't think that would work well for Rage. Let me explain.
Let's assume something costs 4 Rage to use, you have -20% general resource cost reduction, and Enlighten support for a multiplier of 0.94
I might be wrong, but what I think will happen is that it takes the cost of 4, applies the 20% reduction to get 3.2. Then that gets round up to the whole number of 4.
After it gets rounded, it then applies Enlighten. 4 * 0.94 = 3.74. Gets rounded up to 4.
So it depends on whether the cost multiplier of Enlighten is calculated before or after the rounding.
Is there anyone from GGG online right now? I'd like to ask about your order of operations when it comes to math like this. Is the number rounded before Enlighten is calculated or not?
silver kettle
I'm here but I dare not weigh in on something that technical without testing
split cliff
@silver kettle Do you know why you didn't shuffle the atlas this time around? Complications with new Atlas Passive Tree? A lot of people are dissapointed about it
silver kettle
I don't sorry, wasn't involved in the decision. Probably not the sort of thing I should casually discuss here if I did, anyway
split cliff
Alright thanks for the reply, have to poke the community team
slender temple
does darkness enthrone now properly give the boost to 2 x 1 % rmr jewels now with the 2 decimal places for rmr calcs?
native sonnet
Does berserker’s defy pain reflect damage just get completely nullified by elder chest mod “you and minion take 100% reduced reflected dmg”? Barring increased like shock of course
livid lake
assume so
violet nymph
Or the new atziri staff
inland summit
are the new vaal reliquiary keys and rewards reworks also available in standard?
marsh oracle
what does cruelty do
fading cedar
Is Cruelty a good support for Reap or is it a bad one? What could be the optimal links for a DoT focused Reap?
vast gazelle
dot focused reap is probably going to be linked to brutality swift affliction controlled destruction efficacy and uh
fading cedar
what does cruelty do
Up to 50% more damage over time, scales from initial hit, don't know the numbers though
fading cedar
Maim is attack only
vast gazelle
it seems to be encouraging hybrid hit dot but theres little support for something like that
not so far as i know
it supports flesh and stone
the only thing you don't get is the maim on hit chance
any case, there are a few potential options
maybe empower setup, maybe lifetap, maybe maim
yeah maybe maim doesnt work
it should imo but whatever
point is 6th slot openish
could even do woke inc aoe
fading cedar
Hmm... 🤔
eager terrace
hey viper if you don’t mind, do you know if any of the changes to the temple uniques had any impact on their upgraded versions
I assume it is only specifically for the version listed in the notes
silver kettle
Yeah the upgraded versions are separate items, it's not like fated uniques where they inherit stuff by default
You also gain a Cruelty buff, which makes all supported skills deal up to 50% more damage over time, based on the amount of damage of the initial hit.
-patch notes
That's literally as much as I know lol, but yes I assume like shock
eager terrace
cool I figured so but wanted to verify
was a little worried for my coward’s legacy
vast gazelle
yeah im assuming its kinda doa unless they were super generous with the numbers
if nothing else i hesitate to build around it precisely because i dont have the info about how it works
wary smelt
idk why they didnt tell u what cruelty is on the gem it self lol
silver kettle
I would assume it's in the reminder text
fading cedar
I think petrified blood is only good in a context of layered defenses such as High armor, fortify, other means of Damage Reduction and so forth
And even then you can still do that with some kind of ES build and be better off
Not to mention that, so far, the only relevant payoff of being low life is a damage boost, which is the easiest thing to achieve in the game for far lesser costs
vast gazelle
trust me
its not always the easiest thing to get
and you get a variety of effective benefits for petrified blood
overleech, functionally doubling your regeneration compared to life pool
also more damage is well
more damage
theres no reason to turn down a 30% more multi for your skill, esp if you have limited ways to scale it
some builds, like dot ones in particular, actually dont have that much access to scaling
fading cedar
Pain Attunement builds will still use traditional ES low life in my opinion
Especially because spell builds don't have access to life leech outside Doryani's belt (meh) and Life Leech gem
vast gazelle
ehh ES low life has a nontrivial investment cost
shavs, chayula amulet, at minimum acceptable ES gear
native sonnet
to scale corrupting fever, i would link it with support gems instead of the skill applying the debuff right?
vast gazelle
correct
petrified blood on the other hand
you can consider going on SSF
with no particular gear and just some specific pathing
which cannot be said for ES low life
native sonnet
so... 520base life cost, assumine 5x 1.5 multiplier support = 4k life cost to activate it.....?
vast gazelle
most multis are 1.25-1.3
and it self refreshes
if you spend life
youre supposed to use it once per map or so
fading cedar
with no particular gear and just some specific pathing
If you need to be at 50% life with no ES you need 200+ increased life on tree and possibly a Kaoms to not be 1shot anyway
vast gazelle
If you need to be at 50% life with no ES you need 200+ increased life on tree an...
thats... thats not how this works 😛
so, for ES based builds in theory you have way more raw HP number but way worse recovery access than life
its not too hard to hit 10k es on CI, for instance
but without money to get high ES on every gear slot and other investments then its just equivalent ES numbers to similar life builds but less recovery
so you trade off tankiness for more auras and pain attunement
until you spend actual money, then its better
petrified blood at 20/20 puts you at 50% then converts 40% of hits into dots
of which it throws out 24% of that dot
its not quiiite as simple as saying this is...
like 95% of full life ehp
but it kind of is
and then you get access to much better regeneration
to mitigate incoming damage
you cant just chuck in PB obviously
fading cedar
Which means that at 5k life, you have ~4.5 eHP
vast gazelle
right, which is squishy but ok
then you go get some leech and regen
and that effect is magnified
and by the time you have 6 or 7k HP youre just way tankier
fading cedar
Leech and regen don't magnify eHP, at least I don't think so 🤔
vast gazelle
not in a direct way but
if you get hit for 2k and you have 2k life you just die
if you get hit for 2k, with pb, and you have 2k life
you take 1200 and you have 4s to mitigate the 800 damage however you like
fading cedar
Except in your example, at maximum life 2k you have 1k current life and you die anyway
vast gazelle
nono
i mean 4k max 2k current both times
just example numbers to demonstrate the effect of pb
fading cedar
Hmm... 🤔
vast gazelle
if nothing else you can argue PB is a sidegrade to ES based low life
but you only need good life and leech/regen numbers to use it
which you can obtain without special gear or optimized every slot
therefore more accessible
fading cedar
I think what matters is that you have to maximize eHP. Either with high ES or with additional mitigation mechanics.
As far as I'm aware, it's a lot easier to achieve 10k eHP with ES than it is with life+armor+fortify+others, but maybe I'm wrong
If we use the 10k eHP as a benchmark, of course
eager terrace
also viper if you get a minute, the bug fix regarding increased effect of non-damaging ailments, was this a totally global thing
like everything that checked against that stat was applying twice as much as it should have
shy pivot
will mana cost increase affect life cost ? for instance, indigon mana cost increase ?
leaden wraith
seems like PB is a pain to optimise
shy pivot
or will indigon mana cost turn into cost & reservation multiplier ?
vast gazelle
we dont know for sure on what change indigon is getting if any
but yes, if indigon still says mana costs
then it will only affect mana costs, not life ones
dusty field
PB has to apply after MoM calcs, no?
eager terrace
well the mana lost from MoM should be unaffected by PB
dusty field
correct, but the life lost from your health pool would be impacted
eager terrace
yeah
like mind over matter takes its portion from the damage before life
and PB doesn't change the amount of damage taken
just the amount of life lost from that damage
dusty field
Yeah so does the calc go for elemental damage like Dmg -> Fortify -> Resists -> MoM -> PB from Life or does PB trigger before MoM
Because the amount of life taken is different depending on what step you trigger PB on
I don't care about the amount in the degen whatsoever, question is posed with the assumption you can just outright outregen
eager terrace
well MoM specifically states that it happens before anything is taken from life
so I dunno how PB could be first
dusty field
The math says it doesn't matter actually
eager terrace
but PB doesn't prevent any damage
eager terrace
I figured that was the kind of thing mark would have answered
but yeah MoM always takes mana before it gets to your life, just like how ES takes it before life or mana
dusty field
it makes no difference if it's before or after, the only point at which it'd make a difference is before to impact mana loss, the initial life hit is the same regardless of operation
eager terrace
right I think it would only matter if you don't have enough mana to cover what MoM wants right
dusty field
Yeah, and your max hit would be that adjusted value =< life *.5
your adj value could at most be equal to (life*0.50)-1
PB happening before would be neat for balancing your optimal mana but that's it
It's still really strong, but not as huge
eager terrace
yeah I think it probably shouldn't work that way haha
mind over matter is already pretty dank
dusty field
If you have 4k Life, and reserve 51% to be permanently in LL, you sit at 1960
With PB you can get swatted for 23320 elemental in one blow and survive, without PB you'd be instantly dead
eager terrace
you mean like pre-mit damage
dusty field
You'll have 1 life left with that swat
I'm trying to see the value in running PB with agnostic, so I have zero concern about the successive degen
eager terrace
I'm a little distracted but I feel like you're taking like 2800 up front there
with 75% res and 20% fort
dusty field
23320*0.20=4664
eager terrace
right and don't you take 60% of that instantly still
dusty field
Yeah, I'm calculating wrong
I keep wanting to assume it resolves for the adjusted value out of habit
That makes it's benefit pretty marginal
proper widget
pb + agnostic seems kinda bad
isnt the point of agnostic to scale regen independtly of ur hp
but pb wants some minimum hp moreso than normal
round grove
Do we know if refreshing corrupting fever duration will pay the life cost again or is it just from cast triggers?
eager terrace
I would guess it is only from hard recast of the buff
it sounds like it refreshes ala blood rage
dusty field
@proper widget There's a benefit, but it's not huge
eager terrace
so the same buff just extends / resets duration
round grove
That’s what I figure based on wording
dusty field
The benefit is incredibly marginal with MoM
You get swatted with a 2k hit after reductions and take 42% of that as life with MoM, vs the raw 60% with just PB
The benefit is higher with more MoM obviously
Shaped Chest, Watcher's Eye and MoM puts the damage you see from like down to 28%
There is a benefit, but it's not huge
Without investment into life it's not going to be a good time
dire locust
What does cruelty do? The gem doesnt explain it
copper kernel
Hybrid, hit & dot thing by the looks of it
sharp valley
that was the idea and description they gave us on reveal trailer
sour mountain
I wonder if my cruelty consecrated path chieftain will work
tiny bronze
How do we get that low-life effect with the damage reduction? The one with the three black spines over the health orb
wanton bridge
Petrified Blood?
tiny bronze
Ahh, it's an aura, ty
tiny bronze
yee, I can see the lack of aura tag
austere geyser
Was the surrender shield added to the core drop pool?
devout osprey
no thats a boss drop
or hold up
it dropped from breaches or breachboss, not breach league tag
can drop from normal breaches too, rarely
frank rivet
Monster restrictions
This item can be acquired from the following monsters:
Uul-Netol, Unburdened Flesh Uul-Netol's Pet Uul-Netol's Pet Uul-Netol's Pet Uul-Netol's Pet Uul-Netol's Trophy Uul-Netol's Trophy Uul-Netol's Trophy Uul-Netol's Trophy
not a league tag drop
devout osprey
Sir, i got that shield twice from a normal breach
frank rivet
so probably wont be global
devout osprey
correct
frank rivet
yeah those mosters spawn in normal breaches
native sonnet
no? there's like only 1 or 2 weird case where snapshotting still exist IIRC, don't see how/why CF would/could snapshot based on current mechanics/wording
do u have a specific scenario u r thinking of ?
not sure i fully follow what u r trying to say
socketing support gems would update the skill cost/dmg, so it's not "snapshotted" by any means
lean lark
are things like the more damage per blood charge on the new reap skill additive with other more multipliers or are they a separate multiplier?
native sonnet
separate
minor oyster
if you link arcane cloak with lifetap do you just die when you hit it?
frank rivet
Arcane Cloak is like Dark Pact, the mana sacrifice is not a cost, its a skill effect
the skill itself has no cost, nothing will happen if you link it to BM
vast gazelle
i would assume it adds a life cost, but yes, you wont just sacrifice most of your life or all of it
frank rivet
Lifetap does not add a cost, its a normal mana mutliplier that converts cost to life
and Arcane Cloak has a base mana cost of 0
lost quartz
Some of these ultimatum modifiers look absolutely deadly, and just straight up disable some builds??
rocky nebula
That's why they made party play actually doable
And you also have a choice to whether or not continue with something you can't do
so at least there's a choice
maiden coral
Some of the challenges look brutal
dire locust
Whats your opinion on the new berserker node?
It seems like it will just kill you without helping that much :D
Lets say you have the 10% more damage taken mod on and 60% phys reflect reduction, its still like 66% of your lifepool gone
thin vine
it's a constant +10%/s to leech cap for anyone running the phys reflect immunity mod on chest
low kindle
correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first league mechanic in a while without any new loot associated with it
strange nebula
hi, any theory crafters here?
im using summoner next league and will use https://poedb.tw/us/Mahuxotls_Machination
what keystones should i get for life base build or energy shield build?
low forum
my goal is making build what can make day 1-2 for 8-10 tier waves because GGG most likely nerf or lower refunds after couple days of league, thats hapening most likely every league
*i mean rewards not refunds 😄
i mean everything is overtuned for launch day and maybe second then they balance it
low kindle
what keystones should i get for life base build or energy shield build?
wdym? you don't have a choice, you get all 6 of them
fallen tulip
im using summoner next league and will use https://poedb.tw/us/Mahuxotls_Machina...
why
lavish warren
my goal is making build what can make day 1-2 for 8-10 tier waves because GGG mo...
Opposite
High waves are gunna rip people
livid lake
no spoilers/leaks.
rocky nebula
correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first league mechanic in a while withou...
I suppose some new uniques will only be available through the league mechanic
or do you mean influenced items or exclusive bases?
barren crescent
no spoilers/leaks.
harsh bone
Do modifiers apply to only the player? Or their minions as well?
Like the projectiles fly in random directions we saw, would it apply to minions?
dusky kernel
does anyone know if things like spark or bouncing projectiles bounced in the ritual arena?
ah nevermind, i forgot the ultimatum arena isnt closed off
you can just walk out
low kindle
I suppose some new uniques will only be available through the league mechanic
yeah that was the case with all league mechanics, but they also had something extra
low forum
Staylifted i mean rewards, best rewards for those most likely be launch day and day 1 if you manage to them example red tier
*manage to do them
eager charm
@harsh bone only if the modifier says minions or allies explicitly
fading cedar
Can anyone explain me the Atziri's Rule mechanics? You basically trigger alternatively a storm call and flameblast on a 1.5s cooldown each?
livid lake
yes
fading cedar
So basically 1 cast every 0.75s?
livid lake
you cast a spell that has a 1 second cast time, and that triggers each of the other ones
fading cedar
Hmm, on paper it seems a bit weak, what am I missing? 🤔
livid lake
it is kinda weak, i think you'd have to go inquis so both your on hit damages have the same pen, though I guess you could go elementalist for the exposure and then use elemental pen once they start selling
violet nymph
those atziri spells look like they hit really hard
so there's that
and you wouldn't even need to 6l the staff i don't think
elfin onyx
Oh theres a channel for ultimatum league stuff..okay!
Will the league mechanic be friendly for party play?
violet nymph
yes
elfin onyx
or icky like most of the other ones
thick ridge
Unlike Ritual, Ultimatum will allow each party member to individually do reward stuff.
violet nymph
as discussed in the videos, each party member gets a separate string of rewards, and the modifiers that affect the ring are voted on between the party members
elfin onyx
oh sweet! thanks
violet nymph
is ultimatum poe 2?
devout osprey
no
lilac saffron
I feel like the mechanic is fine but I wish it was more rewarding endgame. I would skip it honestly. Sometimes you get a lucky exalt but you could do this other thing and make more currency. At least ritual added a good amount of packs to the map, this one doesnt do as much. I still like the final boss encounter tho, looks cool and rewarding.
wind sundial
we literally have not even gotten to try it wat
violet nymph
I feel like the mechanic is fine but I wish it was more rewarding endgame. I wou...
are you like... predicting the reaction to the mechanic
like what
eager terrace
no he really time traveled
lilac saffron
Who knows
sharp valley
who is doing ultimatum at coast and dying like a pleb? 
silver kettle
probably quite a few people 😄
eager terrace
how likely is it to offer a unique off the rip
that's going to determine how many bodies pile up
silver kettle
from memory uniques start in mud flats 😛
pulsar juniper
drool.
silver kettle
one of my early game runthroughs was a bit compromised because I was freezing pulsing and had 2 flat cold + explicit spell damage wands by ledge
that was the god luck
eager terrace
I'm definitely going to throw myself at them asap
based softcore
hey so was that non-damaging ailments bug fix really as global as it read
like it was just twice as good as it was supposed to be everywhere
silver kettle
dunno, first I heard of it was patch notes
eager terrace
kind of a spooky bug fix tbh
whole anvil
damn... what to run...
zenith warren
Something good?
whole anvil
lol so many
violet nymph
i'm starting fireball miner
violet nymph
the clunk factor keeps it alive
whole anvil
here we go!
violet nymph
getting all this on maybe a 5ex budget at most is so nice though
hope there's not too much phys stuff in ultimatums lol
i have kaom's heart in this build which might be a mistake
whole anvil
is purify fire miner good ?
whole anvil
ok then its official thats what im going to run. Thank you
violet nymph
remember, grab a frenzy charge, use minefield, and use charged mines
thick ridge
Is it worth it to mule for a second quicksilver at league start?
violet nymph
probably not
tropic lichen
i would totally do it why not
whole anvil
omg the Queue is going to take forever... at 35k lol
vagrant remnant
when server upgrades coming?
devout carbon
just 17k left ahhh this gonna take some time
covert nacelle
servers are malding
strong dove
So how does this part of the Ultimatum mechanic work?
vast gazelle
So how does this part of the Ultimatum mechanic work?
its ggg giving u an ultimatum to become a streamer
toxic plank
streaming queue www.twitch.tv/hcviable
cedar pewter
Dude, Ultimatum is hard as balls
Also, I forgot just how weak summoners were in early game lol
true dagger
Dude, Ultimatum is hard as balls
Can you elaborate a little? Hard like how? Generally interested
cedar pewter
So, in act 1 at least there's 2 versions; one where you kill stuff
that's pretty easy unless you pick shitty mods
and another where you survive
it spawns 5-6 rare mobs on you, so if you get any auras at all
you just get fucked
true dagger
interesting. Good to know
cedar pewter
strong early builds are fine but if you're playing totems or minions or something
take the reward on 2 or 3
by 5 my skeles literally couldn't even swing before dying
there were just so many mobs lol
fiery shuttle
dusty lichen
i'm not in-game, but can you see the # of ultimatum waves beforehand? is it mentioned or you just go with it
silver kettle
you can't see the number beforehand
dusty lichen
ah alright, thanks
mild pine
Is breathstealer going to be amazing for ultimatums?
cedar pewter
I've lost 3 ultimatums now to just dcing :/ can't stay connected for the life of me
lean adder
I get kicked every 5 minutes in game
devout osprey
alot of poeple are. read #ggg-tracker for latest news
spiral cipher
yo the vaal guy talksshit
bold basalt
ggg working flawlessly
toxic plank
proper widget
maybe next league bud
sleek light
3.15 pls
rancid flicker
wind sundial
The league mechanic doesn't seem as brutal as I was worried about.
cyan agate
warm lodge
The ultimatum is wait in queue or go to bed
cedar pewter
I regret setting up to start this league early 😦
warm lodge
I got my friend to start playing, and he also just quit lol
cedar pewter
What is happening to my queue, 214 27358 98 23051
oh im in
oh nvm, I have to be logged in. I'm out
neon pagoda
wind dagger
wind dagger
hahaha
i like ow they try make it look like theres 4 billion people playing
i bet the streamers are paying to play rn
tacit jacinth
If there is a lot of people you need to restart ur game its bugged lol
cedar pewter
Ziz got like 2k subs in 20 minutes when he told them to take away his stream priviledges
steel fulcrum
43926757 in queue XD
spiral cipher
has the screeching stopped yet?
wind dagger
lmao
vestal tulip
Man last league wasnt this bad wtfs the difference 😦
lone reef
cunning blade
i got 3 rare rustic sashes from ultimatums in act 1 alone
and not a single whetstone
;_;
warm dagger
warm dagger
Been looking for a +1 chaos wand in ultimatums
cunning blade
queue just died didnt it
hexed sparrow
i found a juicy +1 cold wand
but it disappeared when i crashed on my next load screen
limpid fossil
did you do all of the waves?
hexed sparrow
no just the first one
limpid fossil
then you deserved it
hexed sparrow
lawl rip
limpid fossil
you're supposed to do every single one of them no matter what
hexed sparrow
or ELSE
first in line to crash
I felt like i did all 10 waves or whatever, considering i did the same ultimatum in submerged passage 8x after crashing going into ledge lol
lament turtle
Do you guys find ultimatums kind of difficult or I'm just bad?
In comparision to ritual for example
hexed sparrow
they do a shit ton of dmg in those first few zones for sure
just get flame wall and run in circles xd
hollow bison
and queue time
elder pawn
idk if you count essences as currency but those too. I've only managed to do 2 with all the crashes
dense mauve
And no leveling uniques Sadge
limpid fossil
the shade one or whatever is imo the easiest one
the one that is supposed to follow around and can only hit you 7 times
verbal wyvern
The few ultimatums I did, actually pretty fun
dense mauve
the one that is supposed to follow around and can only hit you 7 times
If you upgrade it to the third level it becomes ranged so probably a good idea to keep it on level 2
wind sundial
I'm scared of any ruin mechanics at all :( don't wanna touch em
cedar pewter
stepped away for a bit; is it any better now?
dense mauve
no
limpid fossil
i upgraded it to 3 & running around is enough for me
cedar pewter
nice, of course it's not
wind sundial
Settle in for a long run iks
cedar pewter
I think i might just go to sleep, judging by the past 3 days that's how GGG does things
cobalt sparrow
thin basin
^^^ i have problem too
lavish finch
i just got this.. at level 30
thin basin
holys
lavish finch
im one shotting everything
lavish finch
level 36
i think i got lucky
nothing seems to be happening to me
ive had about 2 dcs
hollow blade
yo it's like 220 DPS
hollow blade
or more
cedar pewter
I'll try london
lavish finch
probably dont have it now XD
hollow blade
now u roll back
cedar pewter
i'll play with 300 ping if I can actually play lol
lavish finch
yeah no idea how i had that weapon
at lvl 30
220 pdps
thats like a karui chopper
cedar pewter
I legit think I have under 25 minutes /played
lavish finch
i had a really good streak of like 2 hours from league start
lavish finch
but its got worse for me
cedar pewter
I was 54 in queue though
cedar pewter
I think this is the worst league start I've ever had
and I've been here for all of them except prophecy
lavish finch
yeah its by far the worse for me
hollow blade
why am i not surprised
lavish finch
yeah wouldn't surprise me if they restart
cedar pewter
I can't believe they did the priority queue thing though
that's just gonna piss so many people off lol
lavish finch
I'm not too bothered about the streamer prio
at the end of the day they promote the game etc
hollow blade
dunno, probably cuz 5000 people who watches the stream think it's kinda lame to just watch a queue
hollow blade
letting them in early lets more people enjoy the content
cedar pewter
Imagine if there was a $5k bounty on sirus and GGG gave streamers prio queue
hollow blade
there isn't
cedar pewter
there was
Now that there's priority queue, nobody can compete unless they're a streamer
lavish finch
people also speculating that they give streamers loot prio and stuff now
seems kinda nuts
shut ore
cedar pewter
there's a ladder, why isn't it a race?
lavish finch
every league start is a race
hollow blade
people are going around thinking it is
lavish finch
people like to hit first 100 etc
hollow blade
yeah many people think so
but i am sure most people don't give a damn shit about racing unless it's official
many races are being hosted each league
and those are with prizes etc
if ggg actually gave a damn about league start racing, they wouldn't let people go ahead and play until everyone is in ready to play
gaunt charm
whats this from sorry
shut ore
relic of the pact wand i got
gaunt charm
thats pretty insanely cool actually
hollow blade
what blood sacrament do?
gaunt charm
in the picture above it
gaunt charm
yeah, i did the oposite. saw the skill not the item 😛
hollow blade
woah
limpid fossil
fuck, just lost a chaos
lavish finch
but i am sure most people don't give a damn shit about racing unless it's offici...
many people enjoy the race
hollow blade
they did not say anything about that weapon
lavish finch
whilst the game doesn't have a HUGE competitive environment people still enjoy racing
gaunt charm
its less the race and more whoever can get stuff on the market first makes bank for people wanting to craft
cedar pewter
80% more damage per 10 life? wait that's insane 
hollow blade
many people enjoy the race
yes people can still enjoy racing, and people are still racing
lavish finch
lmfao ive gone through the same zone 4 times now
hollow blade
i just don't get how it's bad PR to not follow that philosophy
clearly when there is better things to prioritize
such as the many 1000s of people who watches the streams expecting gameplay
last axle
Oi, when u can get exsanguite with templar/witch/marauder etc?
gaunt charm
radiant faith from Hierophant and sacrament of the blood would be a fun combo 😛
hollow blade
reddit is not always right about everything
last axle
LMAO i got the 4.2 bill queue b ug
hollow blade
they just wanna go find a reason to complain about trivial shit
cedar pewter
go look at Zizarian, he's made around ~$20,000 by saying he doesn't want priority queue and having GGG disable it for him
if that doesn't show how much people hate it, idk what would
lavish finch
streamers are actively asking GGG to disable it
because it can cause negative backlash towards them
hollow blade
that really doesn't make sense to me
lavish finch
GGG are losing money like insanely right now
cedar pewter
dced on london 😦
lavish finch
still goijng
cedar pewter
finally hig lv20 though
im getting around 2 zones per dc which is the best i've had yet
crisp frigate
While we're talking about how "we love GGG," I took a picture. 
slim star
That seems polluted af, move to a healthier place
hollow blade
or the camera is just bad
cedar pewter
Woo, Beat vaal oversoul before the dc
I like how I just went from 8k in queue to 182k in queue lol
Didn't even leave queue or anything
hollow blade
177k here
cedar pewter
@wet harbor How are the health costs on those mines? there's a 1 min slow in #1┃general lol
Managable?
wet harbor
the mines cost like 7 life and reserve like 7 life on a three link
I'm talking level 15
cedar pewter
Oh damn, that sounds super easy to manage
That's right, mines have like a 30% cost multi don't they
wet harbor
the degen only stacks 3 times so is this a real build? nah
is it a neat leveling trick for blood arc, maybe
crisp frigate
That seems polluted af, move to a healthier place
just ISO 1600+
cedar pewter
Seems better than arc because you get Added fire damage, HoA, Pride
crisp frigate
or the camera is just bad
just ISO 1600+
wet harbor
I rushed to skill duration passives because a 45% increase to a one second degen is real DPS
last axle
hollow blade
queue is so slow as well
cedar pewter
EDIT5: Sigh, that made no difference. We have identified another server code change that is different in 3.14 and might cause problems in rare circumstances (which might actually be "all the time") and will revert that change to see if it fixes it. I want to emphasise that these changes have been load-tested before deployment, so we have no explanation for why they are failing under the load of real users.
EDIT6: Deploying the change mentioned in Edit4.```only place im seeing new info at~
hollow blade
<:vanity:582390594333179919>
i am in game now if u still want the thing
last axle
i am in game now if u still want the thing
UltimateThiccThigs (ign)
this operation requires ur acc ot be logged in
last axle
finally got in queueu
heavy hill
hollow blade
eyy at least i got refunded the exsanguinate gem i bought you
last axle
aand got kicked out of que
hollow blade
i can buy a new one once ur back in
last axle
eyy at least i got refunded the exsanguinate gem i bought you
how much it costs, can pay that + some extra
last axle
why are u gae, 2nd time
hollow blade
violet nymph
39 dc's so far
last axle
wait queue --> click account --> dc
usually i get to play atleast 10-20 mins before dc
@hollow blade am in
valid mist
Ur 10-20 min will roll back anyway lol
cedar pewter
in 4.5 hours I've had 1hr 10 minutes /played. I think ima just stop playing tonight. I'm doing SSF anyways
hollow hull
wut
valid mist
It's not fair I can't pass act 1 i keep rolling back alot
violet nymph
Good news, I managed 1 ultimatum in 4 hours. Can confirm it’s ritual
cedar pewter
ritual with a lot more density
hollow blade
F
violet nymph
Tbf it’s been great for ssf items, plenty of ms boots as well
lavish finch
anyone think the mechanic so far is kinda eh
cedar pewter
I love it, way better than ritual imo
last axle
I love it, way better than ritual imo
this
hollow blade
yeah
it's like a better ritual
there is more variety in the challenge
this makes ritual feel basic
proper widget
mechanic is nice that they show u the reward straight up and u can choose to do it
makes it more practical if u just wanna skip it, u already know what ur missing more or less
lavish finch
i know it didnt advertise it complex but i was sorta hoping for some deep mechanic this league
hollow blade
i also like that they have small colored icons that tell which type of challenge it's gonna be
lavish finch
this might be the first league since i played that i might skip
hollow blade
instead of text
might be a big mistake on ur part, it's already given me 4 chaos so far
proper widget
ye the mechanic is pretty flat compared to what we've had the past few leagues
lavish finch
i mean stop playing
hollow blade
oh
proper widget
but we need a good rotation of simple leagues and complex leagues
hollow blade
yeah it's probably a good idea to go sleep and wake up earlier tomorrow
unless ur australian
wind sundial
Did my first full ult :)
lavish finch
act 6 and i havent done lab lol
last axle
act 6 and i havent done lab lol
how u in A6? streamer client
lavish finch
probably so haha
hollow blade
were u mistaken for a streamer?
last axle
im like 2 hours in almost end of A2
hollow blade
same lul
last axle
2 hours played*
celest inlet
Leagues been up 5 hours and my /played is at like 1h 35 mins
hollow blade
i had to kill the spider 3 times because the client kept crashing while i tried to leave the lair
hasty loom
I get the season mechanic now. You can keep the rewards you've earned before disconnecting, or risk it all and try continue playing
gritty jewel
Hmmm I like the title. Ultimatum-League-Mechanics. Path of Login Simulator
empty crystal
True. And Char Creation is pure Endgame. Leveling is just for the very experienced.
lean adder
WTF I got a Unique drop and game crashes again... dont know if i picked it up
warped ravine
I at least made it through Twilight Strand before being DC'd
hybrid tapir
ugh cant even play now , continuous timing out cmon
lean adder
Well the first 3 minutes in the game i already got me a tabula rasa on the beach 🙂
proper widget
lol hope u didnt get rolled back
lean adder
hahaha yea
hybrid tapir
league should b called..queue
little prawn
#RESTARTLEAGUE
hybrid tapir
ur account needs to be logged in !?!? i am logged in hahahaha
proper widget
china number one
lucid pilot
umbral vault
all of those are streamers? POGGERS
junior sundial
how do i beat queue boss
umbral vault
you donate to CCP fight against the terrorists in Hong Kong
proper widget
work on your social score maybe you get priority queue for being good
umbral vault
^
violet nymph
last axle
proper widget
I BEG YOU
gritty basin
Has anyone been able to confirm if dying in an ultimatum challenge (whatever they're called) still has the XP malus?
next epoch
wow, some of these challenges really go quick
mighty birch
when are they going to fix the dcing
slender temple
wow, some of these challenges really go quick
perfectly balanced as all things should be
pearl wind
when are they going to fix the dcing
When the whole discord server can go 5 minutes without anybody mentioning the DC's
gritty basin
They gotta go quick, 'cause you only get 5 minutes before you're gonna get booted and have to re-queue! rimshot
lean adder
Yap and again finished a boss and saw a unique drop and poof disconnect 😦 2nd TIME!!! 🤣 😭
proper widget
the game detects when u get excited and shuts down
lean adder
yea aperently
next epoch
resets the "minutes since a joke about server stability" sign to zero
lean adder
And again..... arg....... 😦
magic jackal
Didnt even realize we had a channel just for this...what are these stacks you can accrue and how do you get them?
brazen stirrup
you should check what modifiers you chose for your ultimatum
some of them have stacking effects on you
knotty pendant
wondering, is one of the mechanics of the league not being able to play?
dark lava
whats the difference between SSF Ultimatum league and Ultimatum league?? its asking me to migrate
proper widget
ssf = no trade
otherwise u can trade/party its the normal version
transfer single chars or entire acc + stash
dark lava
ok cheers, so normal league it is then, wonder why they would start me in the ssf league
proper widget
u tick the option on start , less people in towns maybe helps ur fps etc
dark lava
ah yea i see now, thanks heaps 😄
next epoch
u tick the option on start , less people in towns maybe helps ur fps etc
iirc SSF mode doesn't give you your own town instances, it just prevents you from trading or joining parties
proper widget
ssf has separate town from trade im p sure
u can still see other players but only ssf guys - naturally fewer of them, usually 0 lol
rigid pasture
??? what happened... my chaos and my slow strong hammer :C
slender temple
??? what happened... my chaos and my slow strong hammer :C
your stand failed
north dragon
what a wonderful league
fiery matrix
Ruin is a mechanic in there.
If you hit 7, you fail.
From the looks of it you have the guy that slowly wanders towards you, he applies ruin.
dusty field
he gets faster as you work towards ruin III
his slam has a tell, and his projectile is fairly slow unless you have escalating monster speed active
fiery matrix
The only 2 ruin ones I have seen so far are the slow guy that walks at you (level 3) and the ground affect that resurrects enemies that die in it as spectres (level 3), has anyone else seen more of them?
dusty field
Ruin is one of the modifiers you can choose and upgrade 3 times
fiery matrix
Ah, yes, I can see now. The Stalking Ruin (Slow walking guy) always inflicts Ruin.
fiery matrix
dusty field
Not to be confused with Stalking Ruin which is different but also upgradeable to 3
cedar pewter
Just woke up from a nap, how's stability?
dusty field
Just as bad as it was 3 hours ago
cedar pewter
Jesus
fiery matrix
Not there yet, but better.
cedar pewter
seriously?
knotty pendant
League mechanic is to try and get as far as you can without disconnecting
And gettong rolled back
dusty field
the rollbacks are what kills me
hexed sparrow
ya its every time i ge tchaos orbs from ultimatum
dusty field
league content itself is incredibly simple