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violet nymph
at level 30 i died on a level 21 heist and i had an army of 40+ minions with me
and i didnt even half fill the bar thing before grabbing the important object
spice cipher
you are low level, not surprising
best tip is ignore heist while leveling and rush to maps
violet nymph
ok
still mural
there's not a limit to the total number of enemies that can spawn. there is a limit to the number of enemies currently alive & in the heist at a time.
so when you kill one enemy, another can spawn to replace it
sour mountain
i would figure blight ranks highly because the rooms might drop blight maps
which are good value
i dont know why accessories are ranked so highly - because you can pack your bags with them and vendor them?
still mural
yeah, and because you want a lotta alts this league for rogue gear in addition to the usual stuff
sour mountain
i would figure also because the chaos and exalted rates are busted up this league
because of their raw drop rate from currency rooms
velvet palm
No, because there are a bunch of implicits on jewelry that are very expensive
slender temple
Will there be low level heists when it goes core ?
Of will it be act6+ stuff only
copper kernel
When have they mentioned heist going core
velvet palm
I sure fucking hope it ain't going core
molten eagle
so, shall i move some stuff around? i can redo the tier list if needed
south shard
Little late into heist... could someone explain to me the best way of doing heists / grand heists? I heard something about fracturing 17/17 currency grand heists?
wild geyser
So next league Zana is last boss and Heist goes core in her place
fierce path
Will heist end in early December or later due to recent news
livid lake
not sure yet
possible it will end 7th december with a short league starting 11th.
or it might go through to jan with the temp league running alongside
next epoch
@south shard The payoff isn't really there unless you've got a lot of currency to invest into rogue gear and a exalt conversion trinket
south shard
Ah ok. So deep delve / fracturing maps still? @next epoch
next epoch
Fracturing maps is off the table right now. Cost of fracture fossils/beasts is driven way up by blueprints
subtle sinew
Lockpicking contracts are good if you're looking to make a few bits of Chaos
You could also get lucky
next epoch
Right. Running normal contracts/heists can be plenty profitable as is. You just won't make currency on the super primo 17-currency heists without a big investment, because getting a copy of those blueprints is expensive
south shard
Gotcha.
Thank you for the info!
daring pivot
Is it profitable to just run normal blueprints instead of fracturing because the cost of fossils/arachnid is super high rn
shut ore
is there a way to identify what contracts have which rewards? im trying to farm harbinger rewards
cunning blade
theres a cheat sheet i believe on reddit
it shows u what job type grants which rewards
shut ore
nice ill look it up
ruby stump
You guys think it's still profitable to run the 17/17 blueprints if you have a 3% regal to ex trinket and gear for rogues already?
spice cipher
If rng blesses
still mural
@shut ore it's also in #guides-archive if you had any trouble finding it
cunning blade
You guys think it's still profitable to run the 17/17 blueprints if you have a 3% regal to ex trinket and gear for rogues already?
probably, but not by much anymore
scenic cave
are blueprint reveals shared across characters
sour mountain
i believe so, i think you can do twinky shit by doing lowbie heists on low lvl chars and getting reveals
not sure tho
dont think its really worth it either but ymmv
violet nymph
Hello, what does it mean when it says That Team is invalid. when trying to confirm the BP?
still mural
you may have assigned a rogue to a task that they need +1 job level for, and then unequipped their +1 job level item? or you haven't assigned rogues to every task? @violet nymph
violet nymph
Yep I splitted a BP and Vinderi need level 4 for engineering
Crafted
a +1 to all job levels for him
now it works, thanks
violet nymph
Should I finish maps before I start running heists?
random bloom
What is the best team for farming currency blueprints?
cobalt falcon
Usually vinderi for double and karst for alert reduce
storm crown
Been using tulina plus karst plus vinderi. Get extra chest 😆
Grand hiests really eats away The coins quick 😑
cobalt falcon
Will lower lvl GH consume marker lower for reveal?
noble pilot
What is that red ball projectile in the tunnels? Pretty sure that is more of my Heist deaths than any other source combined
small mirage
Its fired by certain enemies
They charge it up pretty slowly, just pay attention to the telegraph
It also travels slowly, you can dodge it
noble pilot
Hey thanks for the info. Do we know what attack it is? Was thinking it might be nice to have on a character
sudden spruce
Hi guys. I avoided the fractured blueprint hype. Is it still profitable if I have none of the gear? Looks like the 3% trinket is around 17ex, and the fractures are ~3.7ex, plus the initial blueprint
wondering if it is worth doing still if I have to buy all the gear to get going
storm crown
The red ball is very dangerous. Luckily it like 2 sec charge up time and they dont change direction
cunning blade
@sudden spruce wouldn't say its that profitable anymore
hype is still going
and its probably gonna last into league end
winged meteor
is there some sort of hidden gimmick to heist alert and stealing artifacts? i realised that in some of my runs, even after stealing the artifact, the place is empty and there werent any guards actively spawning
also i read that alert levels are raised by killing enemies, i've never really seen that happen (aside from not killing the alarm totem on time). does this "killing of enemy, raising alert level" part apply to the subsequent amount of alert level raised when opening chests or sth?
next epoch
the "killing enemies raises alert" mechanic was removed a few days into the league after everyone realized that it sucked
winged meteor
ahh i see
mental schooner
if i regal a contract, will it change the layout / chests / reward rooms in any way or just the guards?
runic thistle
does taking the same rogue for 2 different jobs stack their bonus ?
violet nymph
Does IIQ on a BP affect the reward chests drops or just the monsters?
royal trellis
monster
violet nymph
Ok and when I open a reward currency chest which gets duplicated but I only get 1 exalted from it means my trinket procced and replaced a single regal? Do I understand this correctly?
royal trellis
exactly
mossy meteor
What rogues should I level for each of the 9 jobs?
Anywhere that will tell me what is best for which job, dont want to spend too long leveling them in stuff iw ont use them for 😄
Im level 92 so already mapping, ive just ignored heists cause they are needlessly complicated about what to level for what
velvet palm
what the fuck is that tier list
torpid pewter
Getting a Rogues Stash every now and again in the main league is lame. It should be in every map. Also Map bosses should proc either map, mission, or both. But not nothing. I mean, nothing feels as suck as doing red maps and getting nothing from it (checked drops and all was garbage)
torpid pewter
Yeah, it isn't hard to get rid of markers
torpid pewter
Oh and I think for Heist, and in particular, grand heist... It should have been a crafting. Where your grand heist was a combo of heist blueprints. Then you wouldn't need a rogue mark sink. It also would have some synergy to the theme.
next epoch
I wish there were some sort of endgame to heist beyond the unique contracts. like, a "one last big score" for your whole team
violet nymph
that'd be cool
but obviously heist was like
way out of ggg's league for the level of content already
cunning blade
they never make an ending for leagues
oshabi in harvest was like the only recent league with a final boss
next epoch
still wish they'd implemented heart of the blight
that being said, delirium had a capstone (simulacrum), legion kinda did (five ways), synthesis had one (cortex), betrayal had one (mastermind), delve had three... it's hardly as though harvest was unique in that regard
metamorph and blight are the only recent leagues that genuinely didn't have anything at the end -- I'd count the unique contracts as capstones for heist, even if they aren't truly final
next epoch
not sure whether that's missing content or just a running joke
cunning blade
i think its missing content
they probably just went fuck it, keep him mysterious then released the league
sonic glen
of course it's missing content
you don't patch in bosses multiple times in a league if they finished it on time
sharp iron
What's the difference between Tibbs opening "mechanical chests" after lockdown and Niles opening "magical chests"?
tawdry plover
When you have tibbs, all chests are "mechanical" and if you have Niles all chests are "magical". There's functionally no difference that I've noticed
next epoch
... and if you have both?
pulsar notch
You get 3 chests after lockdown
next epoch
no, I mean, which chests are mechanical/magical then 🙂
pulsar notch
From my experience it can open any chest in the heist not sure if that’s really the case
I’ve opened large chests and small chests with both tibbs and niles
void wing
I think the only part where mechanical and magical matter are big chests.
Normal small chests can be opened by either.
sour mountain
i kinda think that all the new leagues should be rethought and put together somehow
sharp iron
What do you mean "put together"?
rocky bridge
@next epoch i've run them with both
basically what happens is niles unlocks all chests first
then after that the next 1/2 you open are tibbs
any chest can be open, there's no mechanical difference
tired kiln
chests unlocked normally by counter thaumaturgy are magical for example, i noticed this being relevant in grand heists where tibbs couldn't open the magical chests i left behind for later
fierce path
hey, Karst cant get agility more than lvl 2 ? it tells me "lvl 2 - max lvl"
severe nimbus
you can use item with "+1 level of all jobs"
and karst will be 6lvl lockpicking and 3lvl agility
strange minnow
can i change a job type on a contract somehow?
strange minnow
duh that sux
i need engineering 4, run out, stash is like holding 200 other contracts
torpid pewter
Was flame wall secondary debuff nerfed/removed from applying to projectiles that pass through?
Mainly asking because PoB's config to apply passthrough does not add it to the dps calcs
torpid pewter
Well, looks like something removed or not functioning properly. I removed a support that didn't drop my dps by much, slotted in flame wall, and the secondary buff did not seem to be applying to sparks or ball lightning bolts.
Probably known issue https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2949751/page/1#p23684471
And https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2971569, so yeah, looks like flame wall is busted
ebon locust
Hi, quick question,
If you apply prime regrading lens to an alternate gem, is there a chance that it will revert to the default quality gem?
velvet palm
ye
pretty sure it's still more likely to hit what you want if you take a different alt qual gem
like, if you want anomalous, using it on a divergent is more likely than using it on a default
I think
livid lake
give them items that give + levels
odd sail
ah ty
livid lake
Ah yes what he said.
stuck mauve
nearly impossible, you'll want to shuffle to find one
odd sail
I mean buying one
stuck mauve
like a fracture service?
odd sail
yea
stuck mauve
join forbidden trove, there's a channel for it
odd sail
ah tyvm
odd sail
hey so if I play with isla
i will unlock the discount guy
oh
wait who is the one that gives you the discount guy
ah thank you
ah and it's
gotcha ty
huck is maxed out :(
oh wait
nvm i just noticed he has 4 skills
ok
now he's maxed out
and still no niles
nvmmm
molten lynx
Isla doesn't introduce you to anyone
@indigo wolf the progression you quoted. is that really correct? cuz i used huck many times now and no niles in sight
wooden cloud
are 17 currency rooms still profitable? Or is there a large upfront cost?
is 32 exalt enough to get started?
next epoch
Probably not. Even a 3% regal-to-exalt trinket is ~16 ex, 4% is 100ex+
wooden cloud
is the 4% really necessary?
cunning blade
for profits? yes
everyone is doing it to the point its no longer profitable at low investment levels
next epoch
There's a limited supply of those blueprints, after all (not because the blueprints are being used up, but because copying them requires rare resources), and the people who are fully kitted out to farm them drive the price
wooden cloud
aight ty 
digital forge
except the price of those items have been dropping for the last 7 days.....
next epoch
@digital forge Which items, the trinkets and rogue gear, or the blueprints?
autumn snow
molten lynx
oh yikes
we got more cakes
it´s just weird to me cuz according to the order i should get niles next on a huck heist
but i´ve been running enough huck by now to max him out in 2 abilities so far i think
but no niles in sight
digital forge
@next epoch the fractured fossils and split beasts. were 4ex + now are <4ex
stone turret
Hey guys, wanted to check if rolling of heist contract with higher quantity affects the reward room chest loots?
I am gonna trying splitting BP, just thinking which i should go for, heist target with Trinkets or with Unusual gems
cunning blade
just pick whoever u got 
tender veldt
i think there's a spreadsheet or somesort for that
most important ones are Karst(LP), Tullina(Agi), Vinderi(Demo & trap disarm), Gianna(perception), Nenet(perception),Tibbs(bruteforce),Isla(engineering),Niles(Counter thamaturgy)
those are heist members with their highest lvl cap jobs. I'd say that lvl all of em up
dreamy pike
is there a way to reset my rogue instance? any time i have to go to someone elses harbor to trade i cant leave that instance till a buddy logs on......example im in the US and trade someone in Australia after that trade every time i go to rogue harbor im now on aussie server
velvet palm
niles
odd sail
also i have audio off
velvet palm
fuck gianna
odd sail
aight then
velvet palm
she's bugged and her lines are fucking awful
odd sail
tyvm
odd sail
what are the best heist targets
cunning blade
4% regal to exalt trinkets
next epoch
I mean, that's the most valuable outcome, but that doesn't make trinkets the most valuable target
just like Emperor's Luck isn't the most valuable div card even though it could give you five mirrors
cunning blade
not anymore
apparently they removed that after some dude actually landed 5 mirrors
next epoch
really? anyways you get the idea
cyan pewter
do item quantity on brooch effect chest reward?
cunning blade
oh
time before lockdown, reduce alert raising rate
maximum reinforcements, reward room more monsters for exp farming
main drum
If you have the 3% exalt trinket is it profitability to farm grand heists?
I have enough ex for 4/5ish splits and wanted to know if that is sustainable
cunning blade
assuming u got amazing gear on your rogues too
yea its still profitable, but not enough to be worth imo
lost trench
is there a way to buy the acquire replica uniques challenge?
light adder
Some are selling those in trade 820
lost trench
does the blueprint location have an influence on the outcomes of the final room? so if there are gems/replicas etc.?
oh man, never saw that, thanks 🙂
odd sail
how come this is the meta blueprint
when it doesn't even have karst
is tullina better?
velvet palm
don't you just take a karst with + job level?
odd sail
ah i see ty
odd sail
why does it say "that team is invalid"
odd sail
it literally
won't let me select gianna
it won't
let me accept
with anything
just
'invalid'
got it
runic merlin
hey guys, i farmed other stuff in the league and want to try out heist
is there anyone that did update video on gear and what is best to run for money?
sour mountain
alex is it a story heist
cunning blade
did u have a +1 job levels and took it off or something
dim moat
Does +1 to level of all jobs stack if you have it on multiple rouges?
cunning blade
if it enables u to get karst on all the wings yea i guess
u want karst and vinderi on all wings if possible
dim moat
tullina?
cunning blade
karst is technically replaceable with enough reduce alert elsewhere
yea tullina, nenet works too
but karst gives most
cunning blade
what about him
he doesn't do anything except opening extra chests after lockdown
u want as much currency dupe and reduced alert as possible in blueprint farming
dim moat
i have those already. just getting luxury gear
cunning blade
then stuff like time before lockdown etc if u can squeeze in for a bonus u guess
so long as u can get all the chests in every wing, u can do whatever
dim moat
@cunning blade do you just use 1 socket fossil to fracture the BPs?
cunning blade
I don't run BPs not anymore at least
cunning blade
I ran a few when I had a 2% trinket, used 1 socket cuz i was a TR pathfinder
rigid idol
Corroded is god damn high cuz people cant run reflect
cunning blade
chaos dot masterrace
rigid idol
You think
Like that what i was like why people craft chaos item now
Then i realize ohhhh
rigid idol
Dense
rigid idol
@dim moat dense should solve the problem with regen in general
rigid idol
https://i.imgur.com/FZozViN.jpeg
insane dud
odd sail
so i need to get job level on vinderi and karst?
rigid idol
yes
odd sail
on like.. items?
odd sail
which
rigid idol
i wouldn't reccommend doing frac without at least a 3% though
and get duplicate currency on your main 3-4 rogues
odd sail
on which item
and also what's the point of running this if I have to get job level? can't I get something better instead
I'm interested in buying a better one, not selling
i see
tyvm
royal trellis
stacked decks count as currency, right? 
odd sail
<@!179906818917531648> job level vinderi
lol u cant even get to engineering 4 with items
on vendiri
how?
ig ill just use him for level 3 engineering
and leave 1 wing without him
royal trellis
in that bp you only can use 4 vinderi if you got a mirror service with +2 job on vinderi xD
odd sail
that's crazy
rigid idol
that's crazy
you was saying
royal trellis
royal trellis
you need that base and a lots of imprints and slam regals
rigid idol
any base work
the point is the craft
and Ilv
ye but i mean the base doesn't need to be require lv 5
or something like that
as long as it has ilv to do it
like if the one with lv 1 exist would still work
ye true
beside you need a engineer lv 1 or 2 anyway
and even if lv 1 exist
it would still have to same mods
cuz it ilv 84 minimum
rigid idol
i mean self craft is like quite hard to get a +2
regardless
and the return is not that worth if you not like playing ONLY heist
odd sail
someone help
rigid idol
Bank lul
zinc wadi
are the trinket or unusual germs blueprints more profitable
zinc wadi
yeah so id prob make abit more profit if i was farming 17c trinket instead of 17c unusual gems?
rigid idol
fractured they both cost same no
but ye this late into the league i would say gem
if you care about standard
because there no guaranteed heist go core
so trinket become useless
because let be honest here if you are fracturing BP this late
you already have a tons of money
those 2 doesn't differ too much from each other
zinc wadi
not exactly tons, have poured all my currency into my bv. so now im fracturing bp with a 3% trinket saving up for a 4% before i start saving up for a aurastacker
rigid idol
well this late into the league everything is harder to sell
but if you grind non-stop i would still say gem
just cuz you can't just expect getting exalt trinket
every time
unusual gem has a bigger pool
zinc wadi
yeah but not often anything has any value
zinc wadi
lol true
rigid idol
there a reason they both cost similar price
zinc wadi
yeah
rigid idol
but if you was talking about normal blue print
then yes trinket cost more
just do gem imo
or just do whatever you feel like
if gem has better layout
go for it and vice versa
zinc wadi
ok then ill keep going with the one i have
rigid idol
you wont lose money if you have a 3%
better rely on vinderi and currency dupe
than the big reward at the end lol
bread example is unhealthy
and shouldn't look as an example
zinc wadi
lol no thats just insane luck
ruby cargo
What builds can tank heist? Not even any scary mods and I die lol
tame palm
what is the level of the heist's?
ruby cargo
81
coral garden
Im doing 83s fine with pf TR/CA @ruby cargo
ruby cargo
@coral garden pf TR/CA?
ruby cargo
@coral garden anywhere i can read up on this?
ruby cargo
@coral garden how much it cost?
coral garden
Dont know
I play on ssf so 0?😂
Just check out the guide and do some pricechecking
stuck estuary
:)
violet nymph
Question: is it worth completing the heist when you're farmin ilvl83 lockpicking with %regal->exalt? It guarantees around 3-5c from the markers but double the time/heist if not more
rigid idol
Question: is it worth completing the heist when you're farmin ilvl83 lockpicking...
Up to you if you wanna buy marker or sustain it yourself
vernal isle
Should I worry about losing currency if I run random bps without an exalt trinket, or is it just the meta fractured bps that aren't worth it without one?
cunning blade
fractured
u aren't losing anything if u run random BPs u get from drops and only reveal the good rooms
rigid idol
Then they re still good to pick up the end result regardless because eventually you run out of marker
Regardless if you do % exalt it better to just do grand heist otherwise you lose out some value out of the trinket i suppose
odd sail
yo
anyone know any better blueprints?
the meta one really really isn't working out for me
violet nymph
WTB The Twins normal challenge + The Twins Conditionally (all 4) IGN "@I_AM_GOD"
velvet palm
@violet nymph have you considered reading the rules?
turbid robin
how does gianna's "reduced bp reveal cost" work?
slender temple
@turbid robin whakano has right left arrows
sharp iron
This is going to be my most epic heist yet. Possibly of the whole league.
5x currency, 2x essense.
sharp iron
Here's what I got from it
ebon locust
help! currently have a grand heist with +5 demo and +5 trap dis, but only vinderi have this level... how do you apply other for the +5 job?
marsh wyvern
level them up
ebon locust
all are max but they only have max 4lvl on demo and/or trap
only vindiri can 5lvl both jobs
marsh wyvern
ah. well use him for both
violet nymph
you must have been paying out the ass for blueprints then lol
vernal isle
For hiring costs?
fierce zodiac
Do heist mechanics change after 70+ level heists? Is 72 the highest level?
lyric shuttle
does +3 charlevel actually DO anything for helpers?
devout osprey
they deal more damage from my minimal testing, they dont seem to die so i think thats it
hasty perch
pointless imo
final yew
hey how can i read up on how revealing works? i wanted to complete my challenge and burned through so many coins
not sure if they were wasted
rich orbit
does this count as a good drop ?
cunning blade
probably like 30c
violet nymph
infused beachhead is 22c per
zinc wadi
hey this is my bp im running, im using the 4% trinket and im on avg 2-3 exa profit pr bp. is this a good bp or is there room for improval ?
finite sedge
You're profiting two to three ex per blueprint even after paying 300 c for fractured fossils?
cunning blade
u getting vinderi on all the wings?@zinc wadi
oh wait
ur already running the best bp out there publicly available 
unless u find some dude secretly holding onto a better bp and willing to share, don't think u can improve lul
zinc wadi
@cunning blade r u sure? feels like a really slow bp layout imo
cunning blade
wait theres one out there with 19 currency but only 3 vinderi
doubt its better tho
zinc wadi
i currently have this one and a 16c with 5 harbinger bp. both are karst and vinderi on all 4 wings, the other one is trinket
@cunning blade
cunning blade
Dunno tbh
everyones just running the one with the most currency rooms it seems with 4 karst vinderi ofc
zinc wadi
ah ok
rigid idol
@zinc wadi it all come down to ex/per hrs imo
but you profit pretty well so it good imo(especially if you already have 2 vinderi and 1 karst on every wings)
wooden cloud
Does having the rogue perform 2 jobs stack their effects? I don't think so but just to making sure
tawny fractal
What happens if you leave a quest contract on the ground? Like will it be able to drop later?
devout osprey
yes
torpid pewter
So after getting close to the close of the league: I like it overall. It provides a very solid alternative/game mode than mapping and delving. And it is not self sustaining, so it has moments where you reach to the other modes to refill your contract stash. My biggest hurdles in Heist are sustain of contracts and markers to do grands. However, as I tweaked my build to be more performant overall, the contracts started flowing in. And I see my rogue marker issue being resolved if I work the Ally gear to offer some bonuses there.
It is unfortunate however, that I am sure it will be nerfed heavily since it allows a casual meme player like me to not worry to heavily about currency
velvet palm
hopefully it just doesn't go core 
torpid pewter
I would prefer it to. Or more accurately, I would hope harvest is tuned to be on core, then heist
It would be a nice economy disruption to core 😉
coral garden
Its a solid alternative to mapping because of repository bug
velvet palm
it bad 
coral garden
Watch them fix the bug when it goes core and its gonna be so bad for exp
velvet palm
I mean, come on, it's been mostly negative reception, it can't go core, right?
torpid pewter
I don't know what you mean by bug for repository. I know repo and tunnels have MASSIVE spawns in reward rooms. But Mansion is just as 'intense' without reward rooms. It seems each contract type has various levels of intensity.
torpid pewter
From my understanding the consensus is it is great exp, but there is just as much risk in it as juicing up a map
🤷
coral garden
I doubt its intended
The spawns and then exp not stopping
Whereas in other contracts the exp actually stops after a while
I dont see much risk running it because u can either do it safely or u cant. Every run is gonna be the same since u run it white. Whereas mapping is more unpredictable
I actually find it safer to be in repository
torpid pewter
Well, I would agree, there is a lot more tension in tunnels than repo. I saw diminishing returns on exp, but I will triple check
At least lvl 82 tunnel, after the 4th run in the same heist chest room, it stops yielding exp. No map mods
Mind you, per heist reward room. So if there are 3, you can hit them each up 4 times. Those 4 runs yielded 1% on a lvl 94
torpid pewter
On a lvl 80 repository, same setup, no mods, and a similar 4th run barrier on exp yields. However, with repositories, there are essentially 2x as many respawn rooms with the mid path generators. And they spawn just as much as reward rooms.
So 2% instead of 1. 😄
lilac saffron
I mean there is some work behind it
I doubt it wont go core
But it needs a lot of changes
torpid pewter
I don't understand what weight is behind the line 'it needs a lot of changes'. You can't juice a contract to the same degree that you can a map. So that is a weight to maps favor. However, plain runs of contracts are better in every way than plain maps of the same level. That is going in the contracts favor. You can control the difficulty more in maps. So map favor. You can control the loot in contracts more (by type and skill), so contract favor. The goal post moving here is the thief trinket that can double your reward. Another for contract. However, contracts have a single run failure and maps have multiple failures. So there is some more risk for more reward. The reasoning for marks as the trigger in contracts is that grand heists have big reward options, but cost a lot of marks. I mean, you could say on a t16 plain trop map, you don't, as a lvl 95, get as much exp as a lvl 83 tunnel contract, or repo contract. And you could also argue that a completely juiced t16 trop map still doesn't compare to a alt+vaal lvl 83 tunnel/repo contract. However, what I have seen in that last example, with my casual build, is that I can complete the t16 trop map all juiced up, but I can't complete the lvl 83 contract with alt+vaal. So the difficulty in contracts comes out higher. Again, leaning on that risk vs reward.
I mean, I am not the devs. So I am not pushing that my assessment is theirs. And I know from being in the game dev industry, that they have to walk a very narrow path with how much behind the screen data/info they can share. I am just throwing my 2 alts out there on why I think it is fine as is, and presenting the depth of my feedback in hopes that someone who is behind the screen nods before slamming the nerf hammer all over the place
😄
torpid pewter
And for a final point... These contracts that aren't Tunnel, Repository, or Mansion... They either have more lesser guards, traps, or guards who chase longer. Seems more balanced than initial glances show. I hope the devs do a data dump on what was popular during the events (for the heist league).
lilac saffron
Wym
It legit makes no sense
Having to exit and reenter an istance to secure loot
Like, whats even the point of finishing contracts at this point
Just loot and run the next one
sour mountain
i am inclined to say that contracts should have delve loot explosion
rigid idol
Does having the rogue perform 2 jobs stack their effects? I don't think so but j...
Yes it does work it stack additive
If it doesnt work no one run 2 vinderi and 1 karst. Not only that but their gear effect stack too additively ofc
burnt sinew
how do i get in vcs
raw crest
The only way to juice the contracts is map mods yes?
Haven't tried corrupting one yet
They have been great for leveling, 92 to 94 just leveling my jobs to 5, ill be 75% 94 to 95 when I finish the last job to 5
As long as I don't die :)
I have definitely eaten shit more than once in them
versed cairn
Hi all, I have 2 noob questions If anyone is kind enough to answer.
- What's the most number of fossil chests someone's seen on a blueprint
- Do blueprint locations change affinity for chest types? If so which ones have affinity for fossils and delerium?
zinc wadi
does chance to duplicate currency stack, or is it just affecting the chest that the member that has the brooch?
torpid pewter
Hi all, I have 2 noob questions If anyone is kind enough to answer.
1. What's th...
I have seen 3 or 4 in a contract, and 6 or more in a grand heist. Higher the lvl, the more reward chests. There are plenty of heist cheat sheets online showing which contract type has affinity for specific reward chests. For fossils, Brute force and Agility are ones I see.
torpid pewter
does chance to duplicate currency stack, or is it just affecting the chest that ...
Do you mean an Ally + your thief trinket? Since the Ally applies to your actions, I would consider that it stacks. OR it is generally higher from their boost, and yours is rolled separately on the check to determine. Either way, you benefit from having moar.
severe nimbus
is there a way to give animated guardian to someone and keep all items in it?
barren crescent
AG items are stored on the character
not on the gem
you basically have a ghost "inventory" that the AG access
hoary berry
i feel like the channel description needs to be updated
eager charm
why
devout osprey
"🛠️ A channel for in-depth discussion of the current harvest league and upcoming heist leagues' mechanics. No random poe image spam or narrating your poe experience." 🙂
thorn cairn
anyone in here today? having a hard time with heart of glory..really need some advice as a DoT
barren crescent
close enough
formal jewel
So
basically it's kinda like payday 2?
Grab stuff
except you're forced to go loud once you get what you need to end the heist
marsh wyvern
@formal jewel no you don't have to get the thing at the end. you can just leave and start a new one
if you really need markers you can finish the contracts but honestly there is no reason to, the entire mechanic was gutted around league start so its just smash and grab pretty much
go pick up loot, exit, repeat. zero risk, just loot
rare girder
wait you can skip the end loot in normal contracts...?
I thought that was only blueprints...
damn
devout osprey
answer is yes
rare girder
damn well if I knew that before there would be alot less stacked decks and ex shards lying on the floor rn
formal jewel
How do "Grand Heists" work?
light adder
If you don´t ask anything specific the answer is go in take stuff out
formal jewel
But what is the difference between grand heists and normal heists?
Oh wait nvm
grands use blueprints
light adder
Rewards you can only get in them, replica uniques, alternate quality gems etc
torpid pewter
Does the thief trinket mods show up in zones mods? I am looking and I don't see some from my trinkets mods
next epoch
No. The modifiers apply to you, not the zone
zinc wadi
any suggestions on making my heisting faster? gear is optimized on both build and rogues. i clear in 15minish
zinc wadi
im using a 4% trinket with 2% chance to duplicate currency btw
wooden cloud
better to fracture farm blueprints or just run regular contracts/blueprints
in terms of profit/hr
versed marlin
If you have a good trinket and well rolled rogue gear then the higher investment will yield higher returns. If you don't have the items to min max fractured BPs then your cost will eat any returns and lower investment options are better for you.
wooden cloud
only got a 3% trinket rn
lilac saffron
I dont even think its that worth it regardless
I see the regal to exalt trinket as you drop 4 chaos instead of regal orbs
solemn finch
can i find Smuggler's Cache in someone else map?
slender temple
@solemn finch yeah
lilac saffron
What are the best modifiers to get on the crew?
wooden cloud
Pretty sure this is good in general
Stolen from a reddit post
You can roll haste on arrowheads for speed as well
rigid idol
It good imo but on karst and vindeei you want all job on tool on them especially
sharp iron
Tarkleigh and It That Fled together in the Rogue Harbor
lilac saffron
@wooden cloud thanks, missed the reply
sharp iron
Getting the Heist cat is tantalizingly close for me
I'm at 21/24 for the missions I need to complete to get it. Just 3 more.
Working at Complete Encounters IV and leveling rogue skills to level 5 right now.
Not sure what the last one to complete will be. I am having some shots at corrupting an alt quality gem to level 21 right now, so it might be that.
light adder
Experimented base types and enchantment modification are easy to get if you don´t have those already
sharp iron
Someone helped me out with those
The Complete Heist Quests mission is what's looking most promising. I only have one story heist left to find, and about a hundred more maps I need to run to get Complete Encounters IV
slender temple
24 chall is pretty easy to hit. did you do the heist unique quests yet?
oops that was like an hour and 12 minutes ago haha
desert oriole
what zone do contracts start to drop in? and can one still farm for a tabula in low level contracts?
devout osprey
isnt it coast in act1
fickle sigil
yes, I have a lot and I started playing a new character an hour ago
fickle sigil
when does the current league end?
devout osprey
11th jan
covert latch
wooden cloud
I believe coward's legacy has the best profit margins; just double check on poe ninja and calculate it
nova ether
does anyone have a version to the most up to date heist cheat sheet? i have this one but it looks out of date: https://external-preview.redd.it/h1Dw4KLBUaJZLZVLyMe4MsmmEWRVlwOS0y-ymTlGvpk.jpg?auto=webp&s=931857b239ec813b461b9768da7debcba62cc6d3
hollow blade
cobalt falcon
Type /oos
hasty trout
Is it known which contracts are most profitable(on average)?
devout osprey
lockpicking i guess
vast sequoia
Lock picking grand heists, even when buying for exalt profit you about 50ex/2hrs
wooden cloud
is it ever worth it to unlock smaller chests and skip the bigger ones
cobalt falcon
For large chest you dont want.. like fragment,
When it happen usually have spare gauge
lilac saffron
Fragment is one of the best chests
storm crown
is there a set order how to find all the heist members?
slender temple
yes
https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Rogue
@storm crown
read taht its in there
storm crown
ty½
haughty lintel
not sure if its known or not, but (attached pic) is basically jobspeed for those cursed agility contracts (movespeed and haste aura)
sharp iron
It just occurred to me that the overtuned loot that Heist gives actually turns into a problem since your inventory fills up too quick in Blueprints and you have to do a lot of inventory management in it. So a nerf to the loot might actually make actually make Blueprints more enjoyable since you don't have to spend nearly as long figuring out what to drop.
rigid idol
It just occurred to me that the overtuned loot that Heist gives actually turns i...
lol and that is a problem 😛
sharp iron
I do enjoy Heists, but I admit that they give too much loot
sharp iron
And that's something I thought about when considering what it'd be like if they nerfed it.
rigid idol
but like usually people stash them
i would say they dont need to nerf it as heist go core
but i would say they daily shop might be a bit of tweaking
because it mean you can sustain reveal
sharp iron
I haven't been going back to the harbor in between branches because I'm worried about it not letting me go back. And I've never had the courage to test if it does or doesn't.
sharp iron
Yeah
rigid idol
they fix it long ago though
sharp iron
Oh
rigid idol
i always go back
sharp iron
My bad then
rigid idol
but ofc after a wing or 2
not like go back meanwhile you are doing a wing
lol
but ye contract will drop rarer but since daily contract in vendor is a thing you might able to sustain the marker
even if contract drop less often
something need to be done with the rogue for sure
sharp iron
The biggest thing that made me realize just how OP heists are is when you compare them to the loot of Syndicate Safehouses
sharp iron
It takes a lot of work to get a safehouse. But they give less rewards then a single Heist from what I've seen.
sharp iron
Like Korell's stash gives 3 essences, but then a single essence chest in a heist gives 5.
rigid idol
min max syndicate board still yew profit
well because syndicate people dont care about certain member that much
sharp iron
Even when it comes to the more profittable rewards, it's still bad
rigid idol
well as said they do different things so not much you can do about it
once heist go core you will see
sharp iron
I needed to get Rank 3 Vagan to get an amount of Legion splinters that actually seemed to be good compared to what Heists can give.
And that's apparently one of the best rewards https://expertgamereviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Path-of-Exile-Betrayal-Tabel-1024x405.jpg
rigid idol
the list is oudated
heavily
and also depend on meta. elreon in example doesn't need a safehouse and still pumping out 5-15c every time(elreon veiled mod)
hillock(under harvest was 2-5ex per map quality bench)
but ye the way syndicate work is not properly explain by GGG so people come out with a "min max" strategy to only do 4 chosen member and ignore the rest
but ye it a old league so not much you can do about
sharp iron
I really don't get what's so important about the fact that it's an old league
rigid idol
I really don't get what's so important about the fact that it's an old league
well because it powercreeped
take breach example
you see any currency there?
or alva temple(without selling any of your services)
that just go to show how certain league doesn't really give you currency
they do different things
certain league are too old and get powercreeped ofc heist gonna feel good
beastiary see any currency
the only old league that able to hold the most profit is delve and also require a huge amount of investment but no doubt the most profitable content in the game
sharp iron
Okay, I kinda see what you're saying
But they can always release an update that retweaks rewards to buff or nerf certain things
rigid idol
well they rarely buff old league that the problem. They haven't touched beastiary/betrayal/alva for a while
breach is like i guess it desperate for rework but the exp is still nice
but it in dire need for a rework
the fact that heist drop a whole breachstone make breach feel kinda meh. It breach is just a stepping stone of the so call delirium(its whole existence is to serve delirium mechanic not actually a good mechanic itself)
slender temple
Bestiary is fine leave my boi einhar alone
rigid idol
it is good but certain things are too rare
i got 1 split beast out of like 100-200+ mission
including scarab
doing t14+ ofc
slender temple
Alva can maybe be retrained
sharp iron
They did buff Betrayel when they changed Vagan's rewards to be Legion related.
sharp iron
True
rigid idol
alva idk certain temple stuff are good
especially when you get a ilv85 temple
but like
it not what people aim for
people aim for double corrupt mostly and sac room
which make temple is weird
sharp iron
Main problem with temple in my opinion is that it's unreasonably difficult to get a double curropt.
rigid idol
it not unreasonably it just rng
slender temple
Problem with Alva is when you want a specific room to level her up
Give us a damned list
sharp iron
My Heist character has 22 exalts, but hasn't gotten a single chance at double corrupting.
rigid idol
or what do you even mean
slender temple
But not the rooms you are missing in the current league
It took me three leagues to hit the right rooms. I doubled down in 3.10 and just did everything
slender temple
So her hint as to which rooms to do doesn't help and std doesn't update if you hit the right one
slender temple
Std hint will give you one real room tip
rigid idol
you talking about the alva mission right
slender temple
Yeah
rigid idol
i mean it is what it is after all
i done all my alva relative fast
without doing any actually wiki
as suprising as it is
slender temple
I became a master of room selection in 3.10
There is still alot of rng but it's ok
rigid idol
certain of them need buff tbh
because alva being tie mostly to service
it not profit
it market decide
but in the end we gotta remember the game is not all about currency
it about enjoying it
so kinda understand why they keep certain thing feel "unrewarding"
sharp iron
I actually have found the tormented spirits room to be pretty rewarding
I don't think there are any rooms that are particularly bad, I think it's more that there need to be a general quantity increase across the entire temple.
Or, I want there to be. Not that there needs to be.
What I would like a change to is double corrupting. Either make a temple always start with one, or make it so you only need to make it reach level 2 to grant the double corrupt.
rigid idol
@sharp iron that would be too OP
what double corrupt offer is too strong imo
yes it all rng for the chance
sharp iron
Not really. It's only a 1/4 chance it gives a double corrupt.
rigid idol
but it appear more often
it still too strong
especially gem corruption
ofc certain player will want things to go their way to have certain things easier to obtain
that why a lot people loved harvest
but harvest also show that a lot people stop playing it after min max their char
what the point if i have all tier 1 item and face rolling 100 delirium
sharp iron
I have 22 exalted orbs and have gotten zero double corrupts thus far. Yes a double corrupt is strong, but it doesn't need to be THIS hard to get.
rigid idol
i agree on that but ye that also what make it more thrilling
and more rewarding when you get it
ofc getting it is just first step
then you get another 1/5 chance
but ofc i would like harvest to be OP like it use to incoming 3.13 and stuff like that but we know it aint happening
sharp iron
I agree that it should be hard to be rewarding, but I think right now it's too unreasonable.
rigid idol
well the game is a big slot machine
as much as we look as it
everything we do is actually rng base
the crafting
picking up item
but ye i am not disagreeing with you
but like it not happening
because they want game to be challenging in a sense
sharp iron
An expansion I'd actually like to see on Heist is giving contracts and blueprints quality. We're pretty close to being able to give almost every item type quality, so it makes sense. Heist quality would just increase the selling price of the objective, and since Blueprints typically give a choice between five items, that would mean 20% quality will give an additional choice.
wooden cloud
in multiplayer, who's rogues matter
slender temple
@sharp iron jewel item quality when
sharp iron
Not counting fragements and non-equipables (like currency), I think jewels, contracts, and blueprints are the only things left that don't have the possibility to gain quality, or never have.
How I'd personally make jewel quality work is that it would increase the numbers on one affix, and then there's also a currency item that randomizes which affix gets the bonus. And that one affix also has a different font color to indicate it.
That would be more unique and a new benefit from quality
Also don't have it be possible to get it on abyssal or cluster jewels. Those shouldn't be buffed.
Wait. You can't get quality on rogue trinkets either. I keep forgetting about those.
I always forget about that slot, except when I'm putting incubators on my characters. Then I remember about them since they let you get an 11th incubator active.
slender temple
rogue trinkets at the moment are corrupted only
so we'd need to start with having access to craftable / non corrupted trinkets
sharp iron
There are crafting options to modify the sockets on corrupted gear. So they could easily add ways of enhancing quality that bypass corruption as well.
hushed sequoia
I hope they revamp heist so just a single person for fence/begin heist/upgrade etc... and can invite to hideout
sand herald
are these quests just up to luck or ?
rigid idol
in multiplayer, who's rogues matter
the host
rigid idol
Do we really need corruption
that would kill the purpose of trinket BP
just do a ilv83 bp trinket and craft trinket yourself
viscid plank
can i check somewhere what the different heist targets do?
wet harbor
wooden cloud
is there a list/ranking of what big chests are worth skipping
got a 3% regal to ex trinket & pretty good rogue gear if it matters
midnight phoenix
Last i looked u would always skip talisman and abyss
Most of the others are at least situationally ok depending on ur alert level
carmine fiber
wooden cloud
anyone have experience with running 17/18/19 c 4 vinderi/karst blueprints recently?
How is the profit with fracture fossils
sharp iron
So did Heist end since it's 2021 now?
eager terrace
it'll end on the 11th
lilac saffron
@wooden cloud i
i was running a 4/4/4 karts vinderi tullina 17chest bp every run I've gottem between 5 and 7 ex worth of stuff with a 4% bp
wooden cloud
Yeah I've been running a 4/4/3 17c with 3%
Not sure exactly if I am making a profit though
wooden cloud
Nvm, ran 10 today and made about 2-3 ex profit per map
grave valve
redacted league uwu
crystal apex
so [redacted] league huh?
sounds cool
violet nymph
i'm starting to realize that the new league mechanic and the excitement about doing new starter builds is the only thing that gets me motivated enough to go through acts
once.
i basically make 1 or 2 builds a league
violet nymph
i hope the initial reveal will have more in it than the usual first reveals do
since we only have a week
slender temple
@violet nymph i still think the initial reveal is gonna be bigger than they letting on maybe some other pipeline stuff thats coming mid league or after the league
otherwise the 1 week thing does seem weird
violet nymph
heist was the big league
this league will be smaller but it also has an endgame expansion tied to it
similar to conquerors/metamorph
barren crescent
So what [redacted] league starters you guys thing will excel in [redacted] league, I was particurarly looking to invest into [redacted] in [redacted] for [redacted] drops. Hopefully market regarding [redacted] won't be in [redacted]
earnest oar
So excited
grave valve
ugh i can't believe that they added [redacted] like c'mon GGG you really don't need to erase skill identity
also [redacted] got nerfed again lmfao like GGG plz
stuck valley
The supporter packs make me think we're getting a polish pass on old leagues
fair prairie
tawny pasture
this league will be smaller but it also has an endgame expansion tied to it
I dont agree , december league was suposed to be the big one like always , so next league is suposed to be a big league
solar condor
Kuduku new endgame map boss, Totem league, let's go! 🤞
half current
I dont agree , december league was suposed to be the big one like always , so ne...
December league is supposed to be big?
Heist and Delirium feel bigger than Metamorph
And betrayal was huge compared to MetA
wet plaza
people rarely differentiate between league and league+expansion
dec leagues always felt small but alright with the atlas stuff
tawny pasture
^
ionic summit
Heist was supposed to be 3.11 so on the league cycle this is supposed to be a bigger one
violet nymph
I dont think that it will be atlas ascendency but maybe more like a temporary atlas acendency of some sort. if you look at the trailer it looks like there is more space on the "atlas acendency screen" for other league mechanics
Which makes me think that there will be some sort of trial mechanic which will give you something similar to an atlas orb. allowing you to socket or build "atlas acendency skill trees" (this makes sense as i suspect this is potentially a replacement or enhancement for the zana mods if zana gets eliminated from the story somehow and becasue there are more than 4 leagues so it is way too small for what it seems to be.)
ei kill these bosses and get a harvest tree added to your dial then do a challenge/boss fight to apply skill points after you get it mostly filled out. those buffs will then last 15-20 maps then repeat(i also think there may be more than 1 tree for each league allowing for buff stacking)
sort of like a super juiced version of a zana mod with no chaos cost
violet nymph
reddit in a nutshell lol
bold basalt
China is allowed to have better things, because they have to pay for them
slender temple
@violet nymph I hope that is true, because between that, harvest and heist. chaos orbs will be worthless
we'll have to use the alteration/regal/exalt standard
we also pay for mtx
just give us portraits
velvet palm
reddit in a nutshell lol
real madlads blame chris for the bad game state
native osprey
blame yourself 
slender temple
Can we start calling this bdsm league since some "she" is near and wants to watch us "struggle "
Struggle and I'll drizzle some loot on you
sage thorn
Just called that since we don't know the league name yet.
next epoch
now imagining an item description with big black boxes across some of the modifiers
"we can neither confirm nor deny that all gems socketed in this item receive +1 to level"
next epoch
oops, leaked
void wing
The gem art is not covered.
maiden coral
Super random
Conquerors and Metamorph had their own trailers
But War and Abyss shared on trailer as far as I can find
Do you think we'll see two or one trailers this Friday
high scaffold
is this channel where i discuss about fishing strat?
how do i start fishing... is it starter viable?
high scaffold
Do you think we'll see two or one trailers this Friday
probably 2 considering they had the time to do so and if they dont connect with each other in some way
or if the end game expansion is not big enough
slender temple
it will be 2 just like they did for conq+metamorph
i expect the "league" to be something simple and clean like metamorph so they can introduce JEWEL QUALITY CURRENCY hahahaha. please i hope it is that
maiden coral
quality for passive notables
grand prism
the league announcement will be in like ~23h right? I'm always pepega with their timezone
silver kettle
there's a countdown to the start of the stream on https://www.pathofexile.com/
grand prism
oh ty
lunar stirrup
is this a spoiler channel?
lilac saffron
The only spoiler are the friends we made along the way
slender temple
if i brick my pants tomorrow after seeing the announcement does that count as a "Spoiler"?
lilac saffron
No
slender temple
k
lunar stirrup
I mean .... the latest update already have datamined spoilers ...
hollow wharf
!rule9
brisk capeBOT
Rule 9: No spoilers either real or made up for new and unreleased Path of Exile content
tender lake
You can pm me spoilers and I will pm you good fortune
north dragon
!rule69
brisk capeBOT
I swear to god these horny bastards...
north dragon
!rule420
eager charm
or we dont
sharp iron
Huh, they're using the word "redacted" a lot
Like, more than what I'd consider reasonable
I am extremely confident that the heist target and replica item flavor texts were inspired by SCPs, so do you think they'll continue that theme at all?
foggy geode
eager charm
I'm going to disable the bot if you guys dont stop spamming it
slender temple
@sharp iron i loved teh SCP theme too. but dangerously close to steampuink bordering on future tech stuff
the way heist was
sharp iron
Yeah, too much technology
Alright, we're only like 10 hours away from the reveal, so let me just say my predictions.
Core expansion: focuses on revising and re-incoporating league previous league mechanics. Reworks the watch stones into having new stuff. Villain does not seek to take over the Atlas, merely witness the conflict and see who is the strongest (so she doesn't usurp Sirius and coexists with him)
League: Boat league, plunder various places including the Kurai Isles and the Far South. Possibly having ship upgrades.
General updates: Bow rework 2, Heist loot nerfed, Harvest re-introduced.
Oh yeah, and Golden Swords will become a base type that can drop normally.
Since someone on reddit reported them dropping in the Playstation version.
Doubt what in specific?
silver kettle
I think you misunderstood that Reddit post. They got a base by using the 5 for 1 recipe with bricked corrupts.
sharp iron
Oh
I thought they just found one
My mistake
I actually predicted/imagined/wanted a winter themed PoE league. But the recent Pirates of the Caribean tease by Bex has me convinced it's a pirate league
Wait a second
The word "redacted" has been used for things being related to fishing in specific before, we have a tease of pirates (which are obviously on the sea) and the word "redacted" is appearing everywhere
sharp iron
So is this channel for the league in specific whilst the core expansion discussion goes in #1┃general ?
slender temple
yeah
fishing tips, tackle organization and secret fishing spots we'll discuss here
i hope they let us dual weild rods finally
fishing is slow with only one rod
but that might be op
since rods have 4 sockets
hollow osprey
If anyone can PM me spoilers I would be greatful
slender temple
what kind of cars do you prefer to see spoilers from
ive seeen some sick custom spoilers for cars out on the road before
tender lake
Is the English ordinal gematria for the league 81?
karmic palm
3.13 league name confirmed? Kekw [redacted]
hollow osprey
Well not spoiler or anything but the name is pretty much in tandem of the sneak peek vid