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sterile fulcrum
wild arch
46% conversion is the max then :/
near thunder
radiant lance
if you want full conversion you're gonna have to use consuming darks either way
which i guess is the trade off
i mean other than playing flameblast
and its clunkiness
torpid sonnet
There are probably going to be other skills where you want to push quality, for example the cold archmage (although you can't enhance that because it's a support)
torpid sonnet
You don't lose the loot you have already picked up when the timer is up
barren crescent
It just becomes murderous
Once alert is raised the timer pops up, you can still open caches during that timer. Once timer ends, all loot goes in lockdown and tons of enemies spawn
void wing
#ggg-tracker was literally spam of Bex posts saying you don't lose items you've picked up when timer ends and yet people are still making the claim.
Big confuse.
fallow veldt
Reddit be like
smoky badge
Reddit: I need to precision click so many times = Time waste. Ruins my immersion when I can't zoom through content
grim parrot
what kinda builds would be good for this league mechanic? given itll be rewarding
grim parrot
probably something really tanky since ggg is notorious for their oneshot bs
smoky badge
Probably something fast with a combination of farrul's fur + 3L phase run for perma 50-100% invisibility
If mobs after lockdown don't give any xp then chance to flee supported skills
grim parrot
it most likely wont give exp since itll mean easy abuse till level 100
smoky badge
I wonder if rogues can also aggro mobs
karmic bay
I think flicker can be kinda fun
barren crescent
karmic bay
what no int axe?
barren crescent
olive mauve
I'm worried the new league is going to be syndicate with extra steps
But I'm also excited because it looks like fun
barren crescent
Guys get the thermal drill!
fallow veldt
Betrayal was my favorite league so Heist will be my favorite one -
grim parrot
DOZEEEERRRR
olive mauve
Betrayal is fun, but saying it's not conveluted would be lying
olive mauve
Also my biggest pet peeve with it, is you can't run the final boss
Which is a really fun fight lol
grim parrot
some betrayal characters are just hella funny
olive mauve
That's true
violet nymph
mood
grim parrot
they put a lot of effort into them
sterile fulcrum
Betrayal is literally my favorite league
fallow veldt
And in betrayal league if you have played. We was not able to release them so sometimes ours choices was rips
sterile fulcrum
You can go zoom zoom. It requires some intelligence. It has great rewards.
grim parrot
my 'ead keeps trying to leave me shoulders!
olive mauve
Ah I didn't , lmao I actually realized that an option last week
sterile fulcrum
Has rewards inside maps and inside its hideout
grim parrot
favorite betrayal characters?
fallow veldt
Aisling or Cameria
olive mauve
It that fled
fallow veldt
Aisling is XES
grim parrot
guff and janus
grim parrot
gonna bash you into red milk for this
fallow veldt
And an another one https://web.poecdn.com/public/news/2019-01-17/Kardalak2.png
Oh... I hope that it will have more of these with Heist
barren crescent
back to channel topic shall we
grim parrot
hope heist characters will be as lively as betrayal
tame fiber
@barren crescent absolutely on the heavy metal music gets the adrenaline flowing
bleak ferry
Do you have to escape to someplace in heist? Also do enemies drop loot or is it just the boxes? I feel like I missed this somewhere.
copper kernel
if you dont escape you lose the loot
bleak ferry
What does not escaping mean? Is there a timer or just dying because you got too many mobs to go on?
barren crescent
Probably through a door or something
the timer running out means that you can't get more loot and hordes of guards flood in
you don't have a timer to escape, but you shall not die
half current
You can get kicked out of the area before grabbing big loot too
radiant niche
I wonder how strong they will be
wary stratus
I expect the guards will just ramp up in power so if you're dumb enough to try and stick around you get a guaranteed death
radiant niche
Yeah probably
half current
XP farms gonna be lit
radiant niche
and i doubt they drop/xp anything 🙂
shut mica
barren crescent
sounds about right
radiant niche
Back to pathfinder +660% mvt speed boiz
radiant niche
I heard people farmed fossile like that back in the delve league ?
Guess we will see
bleak ferry
if monsters on the escape truly give nothing I think we will see zdps characters they are just built to be immortal and run past everything.
tawny ravine
Or every build now runs Phase Run and Aspect of the Cat
Actually that does sound thematically perfect
mystic canopy
Pathfinder poison BV meta?
Or just cyclone and minions and BL mines like every league?
hasty perch
actually BL doesn't seem great for heist
like BL in closed spaces with doors doesn't feel great
mystic canopy
Yeah I was just thinking that actually
mystic canopy
Guess it's cyclone league again boys 😩
wild arch
Zdps knockback cyclone
hasty perch
and cyclone/BV tends to do very good in those layouts
coarse moon
catch me on ek
hasty perch
like toxic sewer like stuff
mystic canopy
Ek would be nice
wild arch
I'm just hoping for a replica fire cospri
coarse moon
i will throw something if we get a replica cospri
something between a party and a fit
hasty perch
i want replicas for charge based uniques
wild arch
A rave it is then
hasty perch
kaom's way with frenzies 
wild arch
They showed off an ambu replica
hasty perch
endurance charge void batts
wild arch
Idk how I feel about it
coarse moon
seems better than the original at least
wild arch
Also viper strike better have an attack based alternative 
wild arch
Oooh
But wouldn't that be a bit too overkill
Since melee already got several trigger weapons
hasty perch
can give more options
wild arch
I'm more concerned about stacking
hasty perch
it would probably be better using it with high damage caster weapons than cospris i think
wild arch
You say that, but VS infinite scaling exists
hasty perch
also it would be a very nice lazy helmet
strap it on your melee character to proc your 4 utility spells
wild arch
What's the cheapest way to get 100% poison chance on champ without sacrificing weapons or gloves
coarse moon
tree + hoag
wild arch
coral garden
lesser poison plus poison gem
wild arch
Just thinking about a potentially nasty combo
violet nymph
Do you guys think characters are gonna be less powerful again? Since you can't craft perfect items no more?
barren crescent
of course
radiant niche
The new basis would have to be super crazy to counter-balance the harvest crafting
Btw, chris talked about the new loot system -> less item but better ones
Did he meant to say that the league test that, or is it in maps/campain too ?
violet nymph
i didn't do a whole lot of crafting in harvest to be honest
so this league won't be too different for me
punishment makes up for lack of easy explosion chest
barren crescent
it won't be in this patch
but having so many items drop costs them 2M $ annually
in server costs
violet nymph
iirc the loot in the heists themselves will be less-better
barren crescent
they are looking to reduce amount of drops but turn that into better items
violet nymph
ziggy says so in the video
barren crescent
What it comes to Heists, I assume it won't be that loot rich league but we get those special bases etc which make them strong
And like you saw on the announcement page: "Life modifiers on this item are 8% stronger"
etc
lavish bane
I really hope that's true, I hate managing loot filters
I end up every season having 3-4 loot filters depending what I'm running low on I toggle between them
It would be greatly appreciated to have more meaningful loot than quantity of loot
barren crescent
these "enchants" or what they are are for Heist.
autumn steppe
How will the game go if you're playing with someone. Like 2 characters doing a heist?
lavish bane
Do we know if they plan to publish details on the wiki for new items and alternate quality gems? Are they going to keep it secret until go live date?
barren crescent
most likely datamined on thursday
lavish bane
Is Thursday the pre-push update release?
autumn steppe
I really like the idea of gearing up your "crew" so that they're as strong as you are
barren crescent
Wiki is community upkept library
nothing to do with ggg
Yeah I think the torrent update comes on thursday, someone surely knows more accurate timing
lavish bane
got it
barren crescent
For example ppl can't datamine drop locations
hence why newer divination cards often miss drop location on wiki
violet nymph
how much you want to bet there's a replica headhunter that's completely fucking useless lol
violet nymph
that'd be a nuts defensive item
hasty perch
getting that then grouping with your friend who has a HH without telling him you got the belt and seeing him wonder why his HH isn't working LUL
putting it on an aurabot and asking the carry of the group why he lied about having a HH 
the trolling potential is there
slender temple
@autumn steppe haha there is no way they gonna be that scaled
maybe up till end of acts with casual 3 link items in mind
they will become glorified door openers pretty quickly i bet
violet nymph
i mean, einhar does quite a bit of damage even at high-tier maps
barren crescent
@hasty perch that would be actually nice
lime pivot
Thats sick idea @hasty perch
hasty perch
violet nymph
if there's any replica unique with +1 additional strike targets i'm buying the first one that comes up and playing heavy strike punishment forever
probably as berserker
velvet palm
but what if it's a pair of gloves
violet nymph
fine by me
i don't feel like crafting warlord shit
or looking through rares on trade
hasty perch
punishment overkill damage with blasphemy might make dual strike fun too
violet nymph
yeah
hasty perch
with it's massive per hit damage and crit on full life
velvet palm
weak rain
do you guys think that heist can be ssf friendly? i really want to play ssf again but after harvest i think my experience would be somewhat lackluster
silver kettle
I'm definitely going to be playing ssf heist
violet nymph
bex teased replica headhunter lol
native sonnet
baited, its a bex comment, not bex post
hasty perch
could gain the map mods
but not stackable
would be broken as f
tho
EK be like "let's roll triple phys added as x maps"
slender temple
i just wanna know if there are any chaos dps spectres in heist
crisp tree
replica headhunter crystal belt
velvet palm
replica deez nutz
ember lodge
Do you think Firewall will buff any projectiles that travel through it, or just attack projectiles. Like Fireball for example 😛
ember lodge
Spellslinger sounds rather fun then.
wild arch
Unleash the new mortar spell
torpid sonnet
Interesting, in this screenshot the regal-to-exalt mod is a 36% chance but on the official announcement page its 5%
hasty perch
different mod tiers
there's a level requirement
the other is most likely the worst tier
lavish bane
Trashcan
Atleast Mathil can buy all the new Heist gear out of the gate when league goes live
#RMT
slender temple
haha
lavish bane
Its kind of not funny imho
hasty perch
yeah i believe that if he RMTed he'd name the tab RMT
that is absolutely not obvious trolling
lavish bane
Really? or is it the typical stream ego?
spice cipher
he isnt that dumb lol
native sonnet
can't say the same for some
devout osprey
i cant remember a time mathil played off-stream. so you can watch his vods for all his earnings
and yeah the tab name is a joke
copper kernel
no dude hes clearly RMTing
all the handouts he accepts on stream are just his rmt purchases
velvet palm
Thank you detective kermit, LADS, GET 'IM
barren crescent
Ladies and gentle exiles, we got em!
lavish bane
#missionfailed
autumn steppe
@slender temple. Lol I know but it's wishful thinking
lavish bane
Here's the thing though, joke or not, don't joke about rmt
he spends a lot of time in game, which I spend a lot time in game
I have a hard time believing currency and items he's gotten at times, and joke or not don't joke around about rmty
But hey, he's two mathil have five new builds within the first week with level 23 alternative quality gems, and mark my words he probably will
copper kernel
native sonnet
troll?
lavish bane
nah, and you're entitled to your own opinion
native sonnet
mathil is by no means rich at all lol
lavish bane
I don't know rmt-ers rmt just to stock up on currency just to have
wouldn't the goal of rmt be to get ex for $ and trade ex for gear?
If I have a nickel for every time a streamer said "look at this mirror tier gear I made off stream, let me tell you how I did it"..
anyway, its off topic, probably should get off it since this is league mechanic related
copper kernel
leaden cypress
dat creeping frost Frozone RP time
lusty sandal
Does the alternate gem mods will get some visual indication to disting them from classic stats ? Maybe on Alt ?
native sonnet
bex said they are working on that to show different visuals
lusty sandal
Nice !Thanks
hasty perch
here's a secret about streamers and poe
when you play 12 hours a day every day you're bound to get good drops
and when you play 12 hours a day for years you get a lot more efficient at playing by habbit
making it even more likely to drop good stuff because killing 1000 monsters in 5 mins = twice the loot of killing 500 monsters in 5 mins
it's not streamer RNG or RMT , it's just that while people are looking up on youtube "how to make currency" they're clearing maps
when people are reading global in hideout
they're clearing maps
when people are checking their stash to know which map they want to run next , hesitating between plateau and toxic sewer
they're clearing maps
coarse moon
hey take those facts and logics elsewhere
coarse moon
there ya go 🙃
half current
That was quite the read
And kharjou writing a smaller walls still had better arguments
Interesting
south aspen
Yeah they're no lifing
half current
I mean, strimer RNG bad and strimers do RMT
slender temple
Mathil makes a point of not accepting handouts in his closing comments usually
Other streamer like mbx only exist from handouts
lavish bane
I like mbx a lot
seems like a really humble person
Guess you have to be after crowd sourcing thousands of ex to ex spam trash for gold
south aspen
Not sure what to think about the new league
lavish bane
its betrayal 2.0
smoky badge
Hopefully not a brain dead league
lavish bane
and with much better loot
smoky badge
It's like Alva temple
south aspen
Synthesis was delve 2.0 but I wish synth went core in some form :/
violet nymph
it's farrrr more like incursion than betrayal
except it's less about clearing fast and more about picking targets
whether or not to go for chests or fight enemies
smoky badge
Rooms don't exist if you don't have intelligence on them and stuff
lavish bane
literally the youtubes and forums are riddled with people saying its betrayal 2.0
smoky badge
More you invest = more rooms
south aspen
It's what you get if betrayal and incursion fucked and had a kid
lavish bane
I really hope they do away with alva and rework her content, I absolutely hate temple
south aspen
... yeah
smoky badge
Could just replace alva with this new content
lavish bane
Heist looks pretty interesting, I'm sold on it as new content, won't know until we play it though
lavish bane
My guess is does more dmg, has faster projectile speed, and less projectile speed
devout osprey
altered knockback support, reverse knockback 🐸
smoky badge
It's just alternative quality not a new gem @.@
lavish bane
no, alt quality gems of the same type won't stack
its the ability/support gem that prevents it, which won wins my guess would be which is socketed first or which is higher level/quality
south aspen
archmage x4
smoky badge
Depends
Woke and normal worked till GGG fixed them
lavish bane
its not intended for 2 of the same gem to stack even with different quality, it wouldn't make sense for that to be allowed
south aspen
Archmage x4 freezing pulse w/ faster casting or volley
smoky badge
Not about if it's intended or not
lavish bane
@smoky badge my point exactly, even if it works at first I would expect it to be patched to prevent it
lavish bane
it legit shouldn't work and I would expect it to be patched, anyones guess if they've fixed it before season goes live
south aspen
What about the cold to fire one?
lavish bane
🍉
devout osprey
portal, any guesses?
south aspen
Multi use portal?
lavish bane
My guess is you should go do your own research, I'm just some idiot on a discord server, I have no idea
south aspen
No one knows about most of the options yet
lavish bane
portal alternate quality = portal explodes with rainbows and kittens upon opening
smoky badge
oof I forgot about alternate quality on portal and detonate mines
mint salmon
Do people get to test out upcoming leagues? Or is it all done internal
devout osprey
QnA
smoky badge
There are testers
south aspen
bigger size Portal
lavish bane
I mean some of the alternate quality options make sense based on type, and every gem can have a max of 3 alternate qualities which includes the base quality
but its all speculation, they could pull a few rabbits out of a hat and surprise us
south aspen
I thought it was 3-4 alts plus original type
rigid aurora
ziggy said ~1-3
lavish bane
No, its max of 3 alternate qualities, and some might have less
lavish bane
there are 900 new gem outcomes if I read the number/description right
south aspen
I also wonder what the ice spear ones will be like
lavish bane
Ice Spear alternate quality = replaces ice spear with cat pooping rainbow mtx
You know, I'd actually pay a premium for that mtx
I'd also start actually playing ice spear builds
south aspen
ice spear looks good tho
pliant monolith
If the new supporter packs reflect the time/effort of this league, I'm putting a bet it dies in less than 2 weeks.
rigid aurora
^^
tawny ravine
You'd actually give it 2 weeks?
devout osprey
i got a feeling ggg made them more simple because reddit cried about too flashy mtx a little while back
lavish bane
well that's dumb
devout osprey
those are my feelings, not facts
smoky badge
People like things available in the supporter pack rn, it's about less items in them.
devout osprey
my guesses
pliant monolith
It's a lazy reuse of previous skins, just like we've seen with MTX
It's fine to occassionally do that, just don't charge full price for low effort.
rigid aurora
devout osprey
another thing is poe 2
rigid aurora
smoky badge
What are these reskin of?
rigid aurora
People like things available in the supporter pack rn, it's about less items in them.
pliant monolith
Seraph set
lavish bane
does anyone actually play ice spear tho?
rigid aurora
no
lavish bane
it doesn't work well with gmp so it could be a single target skill but even then there are way better options
pliant monolith
Ice spear totems was a thing before freezing pulse became top tier
south aspen
It works well with gmp
gmp adds tons of damage to it, what are you talking about
It shotguns
lavish bane
@south aspen gmp adds projectiles in line, it doesn't add a wider array of projectiles
south aspen
The line spread does get wider
smoky badge
Ice spear totems became better with blight as you could anoint pierce notable
south aspen
I know because I PLAYED ice spear one league
lavish bane
I literally just grabbed ice spear and gmp seems underwhelming from a gmp use case vs gmp and other abilities, dunno
I never played ice spears, grabbed the gems right quick just to mess around on wall
south aspen
Ice spear has a random spread to it and gmp increases that spread a little
lavish bane
ok that I buy
south aspen
ice spear shotguns. Each projectile that hits deals damage
rigid aurora
south aspen
Ice spear has different multiple projectiles behavior
rigid aurora
but tbh this channel is for league mechanics, not skill discussions
lavish bane
@rigid aurora so you're saying we should leave?
lavish bane
nah
weak rain
this is the most passive-aggresive gtfo i've ever experienced
smoky badge
He's right tho
lime pivot
i like the armour set in the spellsword one but the pack is so empty
rigid aurora
you mean the Klansman outfit?
lavish bane
so how about those trinkets? sees wack
lime pivot
those are white tho
smoky badge
Yeah people like armour sets it's just less items in the pack
lime pivot
it kinda looks like the guy from made in abyss
pliant monolith
how exciting klan heists, we can get together and steal documents
devout pivot
hmm i wonder what will they change molten strike to with alter
pliant monolith
I will say on a positive note, it does sound like this mechanic MIGHT have group play opportunities
lavish bane
step 1, get friends
step 2, convince them to play poe
step 3, talk to them in build discord sub
lime pivot
smoky badge
That's just the typical herd of comments
pliant monolith
If you play ice spear no one is going to be your friend, you're clearly clueless
lime pivot
looks like the support pack
lavish bane
@pliant monolith you play ice spears?
pliant monolith
Hey, that's my comment!! I'm famous
Hell no, literally no one out of the campaign plays ice spear
lavish bane
right so what you talking about? I literally said the same thing
pliant monolith
the only use I've ever seen for the skill is a totem skill swap for single target damage
lavish bane
outside of ice spear totems I can't recall ever seeing anyone play self cast ice spears
pliant monolith
Are you blocked from the build help channel? or just clueless in general?
I want to read about peoples honest opinions of the new heist, pros and cons.
lavish bane
mate, I'm not even talking about ice spears build.. think you might be misunderstanding. I responded to a point someone else made about ice spears.
lime pivot
winter orb cwc ice spears is decent
lime pivot
didnt mathil play it
wild arch
Snakepit chaining ice spears 
smoky badge
Imagine GGG adding a better hideout to eagle set compared to spellblade to make it worthwhile
Ah that would be really fun
lavish bane
I hope they secretly have another mtx set to go with heist league
wild arch
lavish bane
heist has so much cool stuff in it, I guess they had to go hard on content I can understand why the mtx was weaker than past leagues
wild arch
Why do people even care about the mtx
lavish bane
I mean, I'd rather have a better league than a better mtx
people like mtx because 99% of games allow for 0% customization
pliant monolith
A sneak mechanic in an ARPG seems massively counterintuitive.
wild arch
Is it that hard to just buy some other set if they don't like these ones?
smoky badge
Yes
lavish bane
I think sneak mechanic is brilliant, it breaks up the entire gotta go fast game that POE has become
pliant monolith
Oooor they could change loot based on rarity instead of quantity to slow down the game and increase performance.
smoky badge
It's like you are saying that people will play more in a party for heist :p
They had excuse to cry about it in harvest
wild arch
They're doing that tho
pliant monolith
Considering 100% delrious maps are the meta for end game farming, no no they are not doing it.
wild arch
They already said the heists use a new drop mechanic
lavish bane
i would argue the sneak is a mechanic of sorts, but only in the sense that it the less you engage enemies the most alert level you can waste on actual looting
wild arch
Less and better loot
lavish bane
kill more = loot less, loot more = have to kill less
pliant monolith
"better loot"
lavish bane
that's the goal, they did specifically call that out
they want fewer drops but better drops
wild arch
Can we take a moment to appreciate the new fire bow base tho
pliant monolith
Delerium will be on the zana missions, people can just ignore the mechanic and farm that for more profit. Unless heist just makes it RAIN there is no chance it's going to be better.
lavish bane
I would gladly trade the need for loot filters for 99% less drop rate but drops are good loot
rigid aurora
man i cant wait to open all those chests in heist and get wisdom scrolls!
wild arch
If you don't want it feel free to play standard or whatever
rigid aurora
i mean tis going to be standard anyway, you wont get anything of use from heists anyway
oh boy, replica uniques, 70 of which are useless and clog the pool
pliant monolith
The rares might be decent
lavish bane
@rigid aurora what are you talking about? alt quality gems, new bases, trinkets, replicas
pliant monolith
I hope you're right apple
lavish bane
@rigid aurora heist has an enormous amount of useful stuff
rigid aurora
great alt quality gems so that i have to spend mor time alt tabbed in wiki than playing
great new bases, 90% of which will be useless
lavish bane
ah it makes sense now, you're trolling got it
pliant monolith
The main issue with those rares is we are back to the old crafting system, so it'll take me 50-100 ex to really make something nice this league
rigid aurora
trinkets which only serve a purpose in heists
smoky badge
I don't mind even if it doesn't drop anything
I'll just spend my time getting rouges to max level 3.3
lavish bane
I am for one really looking forward to crafting using the new bases
wild arch
Did you not see the trinkets with over 40% chance to double drops
lavish bane
I also like that you get to start doing heist early in the game so its useful
rigid aurora
yay so 40% more wisdom scrolls
rigid aurora
doing heists early game will do nothing for you, the point of the campaign is to get out as soon as possible to play end game
lavish bane
Honestly my only grip is they are releasing SO MUCH new stuff that there's no way to even pick an ideal base class, my guess is we won't even have wikis for the new bases and gems until a good while after release
wild arch
Trickster works for literally everything
lavish bane
I'll bet I'll end up with at least 8 high end / end game characters because of new bases and heist drops I'd need to reroll to use
I wouldn't use trickster for bows
copper kernel
bold of you to assume theyll be worth using
rigid aurora
a man of intelligence
light adder
It´s almost like you are overthinking how to do op stuff so much you aren´t just going to enjoy playing the league
lavish bane
@copper kernel anythink is worth using with enough alt and chaos spamming
copper kernel
also everything that can be, gets datamined within the hour
lavish bane
@light adder but this is what I find fun about playing leagues?
wild arch
Chaos spam some clubs on the beach
light adder
You do you
lavish bane
@light adder thank you
@copper kernel so where do you think we will see the data mine first? reddit or 4chan?
lavish bane
Still kind of shocked 4chan is even a thing
lavish bane
so I actually had an idea from view, those corpse boots, impending doom, and body swap
you could literally make an occulist auto corpse bomber of what is probably going to be easy to get league items
wild arch
Body swap makes sense but where does impending doom come in
That's for hand casting curses
lavish bane
right, so you body swap which does a lot of dmg, coc the new orb ability that sucks enemies in, cast curse x 1/2, walk away, they explode from impending doom
i guess you can't call it auto but
copper kernel
where do the new boots come in?
lavish bane
I though the black hole sucked in enemies, the corpses should remain on ground
copper kernel
they dont
wild arch
It sucks all corpses
lavish bane
the black hole really is just a aoe grouping skill to wrangle enemies together, no?
copper kernel
anything that dies near it doesnt leave a corpse
lavish bane
than yes, two different builds, I misrecall the black hole ability, I though it just pulled enemies into its center so you could AOE them down
wild arch
And besides body swap doesn't need corpses anymore
You just get more aoe for jumping to them
lavish bane
Violently destroys your body and recreates it at the location of a targeted enemy or corpse
you need enemies or corpses, but both are options
lavish bane
I can't do flicker, it gives me a headache
wild arch
W E A K
Do trypanon flicker then
Oh shit that would be a neat replica
Trypanon but extremely fast and never crit
lavish bane
what is trypanon flicker?
wild arch
Slowest weapon that always crits
Can't get a headache if you do one jump every 2 seconds
lavish bane
oh I see what you're saying
yeah I mean I guess I could just disable screen shake or whatever
I just don't prefer flicker
I'm really hoping that bows get some tight low this league, which looks like the new bases might
wild arch
The fire wall & bow preview looked neat
Could do burning arrow with the wall and new fire base or something like that
lavish bane
The thing is in what scenario is burning wall helpful?
I looked at that new ability and scratched my head a little
ice wall was good for shaper/elder fight if you had problems with squid adds
ice wall is also good with cwdt in hall of grand masters sometimes
but given how fast and dense end game is I can't see flame wall being too useful, but might it will be great
most things die immediately and for the things that does, like Sirius, I don't want a flame wall between us or blocking my vision
coarse moon
ngl if you think a flame wall being up could get you killed in the sirus fight you might be worried about the wrong problems in that fight
lavish bane
really? four laser beams and you're ok with a good chunk of the screen being taken up with a firewall? and how is a wall of fire going to help you in the sirius fight?
coarse moon
the wall gives flat dmg (which for some builds is actually rly nice for when you unload dps)
and i dont need to see every inch of my screen for that fight at this point
most of my movement in the fight is based on sound cues
bc his most lethal attack is predicated on how quickly you realize he just ported over (ailment/die beam)
the laser spinner can be easily traced based on any of the 4 lasers in the spinner
lavish bane
I'm not arguing against sound cues being what you should be reacting upon, vortex for instance is a great example drop and move so you have dps while you move and can start dpsing again
I just wouldn't want a wall of vortex that might hide the beams you're trying walk at a 90/45 against in preparation for the die cue
I guess I just see flame walls being more useful outside of sirius
violet nymph
"If you die prior to the lockdown, you can return to the Heist." GUYS
THIS IS IMPORTANT
You don't brick a grand heist if you die before the alert
"In a Grand Heist, each wing has its own alert level to manage, so if you fail at one wing you'll still be able to attempt the others. You can also Stash your items between wings to 'lock them in' in case you die in one of the other wings."
this is also huge
wet harbor
I really don't want mjolner or cospri to get a fire version
violet nymph
what would be wrong with that lol
wet harbor
I want the "triggers fire spells" weapon to be its own thing whenever it happens
brave pulsar
wet harbor
they're iconic
brave pulsar
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2932440
slender temple
ok
what i dont see is
will the swarms of enemies that spawn when we reach max alert level grand experience and drop items?
and that would mean they are finite then
sharp iron
I'm totally going to play Elusive Shadow for max immersion
slender temple
im going to play horde of minions necromancer
because sneaking around in poe is stupid haha
violet nymph
i'm going to play berserker heavy strike because BIG HIT PUNISHMENT EXPLOSION
young knoll
What are you guys theorycrafting prior to patch notes will be a good build for league mechanic. Eg: minion builds won't be as good
young knoll
Chris literally stated that minions won't be as good as other builds for the mechanic...
sharp iron
I'm theory crafting what I'll have the most fun with
young knoll
Nice, what you got so far?
sharp iron
Just that I'll do Shadow. Probably a melee strike skill, I haven't put that much thought into it.
young knoll
Gonna be brave and try 1 of the new ones? or something else
Creeping frost looks interesting with the 40% movement speed
sharp iron
Keeping track of ammo with the steel skills does look interesting
young knoll
Yea the "turret" thing looks cool
slender temple
@young knoll ill be angry if minions aggro everything and trigger the 20 second timer too early
i thought this was path of necromancer
wanton rivet
prob gonna play spark flamewall elementalist or something
high scaffold
from what im seeing... normal heist dont seem to drop many op stuffs... i guess the main objective in normal heist are blueprints and artifacts for marker?
so basically just like harvest life force to feed into the big tier seeds 
young knoll
Yea it would be amazing to not use a cheat sheet
I still have to use 1 for current syndicate
high scaffold
i can still see a cheat sheet for reward rooms and blueprints to look out for tho
also another cheat sheet or guide on how to min max the mercenaries
frank finch
Yup small heists are for blueprints, experiment bases, and alternate skill gems while big heists are for a guaranteed replica unique
I really like the idea of big heist rewarding 5 replicas in cases but you can only choose one
pretty fun idea
violet nymph
you won't need a cheat sheet for this league
just like you don't need a cheat sheet for incursion
tawdry heron
im probably gonna league start one of the steel skills 🙂 hoping they are good
fathom bolt
so im confused, do you play your own toon? or one of the thiefs?
native sonnet
u play ur char as usual
the npcs are just like einhar/jun that follows u to heist and unlock certain paths as u tell them to
fathom bolt
seems like its gonna be a fairly meh league then if they let people bring thier own toon, 100% invis and high speed = free loot
sage arch
heist runner build inc
violet nymph
i've written my starter for heist
violet nymph
it's way better technically lol
hollow osprey
Yeah, from a one alt item to one alch
violet nymph
it's an amazing leveling item
wanderlust is a 1 alch item too but you don't call it bad
hollow osprey
Yeah not many unique reworks can actually go up in tiers
violet nymph
that's not the point of replicas anyway
wild arch
Eeeeh
violet nymph
i still don't know why it's called that
is lioneye a furry lol
we know what he looks like
wild arch
The cooldown on that thing is .25 if I remember correctly
hollow osprey
@wild arch 1 seconds, but can go down with cooldown recovery speed
wild arch
That's even worse
hollow osprey
Nah, its fine
wild arch
One extra 5 linked rain per second sounds shit
hollow osprey
If it was 0.25 it would be broken as fuck
wild arch
No
hollow osprey
For leveling
wild arch
Then it would maybe be worth sacrificing boots for
hollow osprey
The prices of that item was always high
wild arch
Cause it's a synthesis unique
They're all expensive cause of their rarity
Pretty much nobody ever bothers with an ephemeral build, but that doesn't stop it from costing around 7 ex
violet nymph
rigid lakeBOT
violet nymph
locked and loaded for 3.12
the clearspeed of this build depends entirely on how punishment works
squishy as fuck but like who cares
it's softcore
slender temple
i made a boss killer based on a build someone linked earlier . with a few gear sets to look at to aim for
rigid lakeBOT
slender temple
pob dps shows 24m for the snipe with just 3 items equipped haha
cunning blade
copper kernel
115% life is very far from enough
slender temple
its just a base to play with
violet nymph
you could halve that dps
and still do all content
easily
I want a Replica Paradoxica but it's a 2h axe.
slender temple
eh?
violet nymph
all the replicas are the same base so far lol
slender temple
if there is a replica paradoxica it will have the same base type
we haven't seen a counter example yet
and also it wouldnt maek sense
cuz then its a different item
isntead of a "replica"
violet nymph
oooh, here's an idea
queen of the forest replica, except instead of giving you movement speed for having evasion, it gives you movement speed for free but has the downside "Cannot have evasion, armor, or energy shield."
slender temple
hmm
thtas pretty bad
i guess might still be workable if
u can get your merc CDs low enough to zoom through the heists
zoom in and zoom out
just dont get hit
we know they have a max skill level
but what does that trnslate into door opening speed ;p
can we buff them
with haste?
maybe this league aurabots can do heists (the league content) solo with 1 merc
copper kernel
they probably dont do any damage
slender temple
dont need damage
just need to get to trasure room click loot and go back
my uestion is does the aurabot buff the mercs
if they can move faster to doors and open doors faster
violet nymph
ok i want
soul mantle
except it's ballistas
Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Ballista Totem
(20-25)% increased Attack Damage
(100-120)% increased Energy Shield
50% increased Totem Life
+1 to maximum number of Summoned Totems
Inflicts a random Level 20 Curse on you when your Totems die
that'd be sick imo
slender temple
plausible
at this point . the uniques will get sorted pretty fast but
the GEMZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
what will alt qual RF do
ice ? lightning ? chaos? bleeding?
buff atack dmage instead of spell damage?
violet nymph
Maximum 10 Fragile Regrowth
0.7% of Life Regenerated per second per Fragile Regrowth
Gain 10 Fragile Regrowth when Hit
Lose 1 Fragile Regrowth each second
literally just a better version of the jewel
flipping the stats
desert terrace
Replica belly of the beast 40% ES?
violet nymph
40% increased Global Energy Shield, i'm guessing would be the stat
cause uh, generally 40% increased energy shield is a local stat
wet plaza
Sounds way too weak considering you get 100 and a free 6l from skin
violet nymph
yeah
slender temple
doesn't have to be compared against skin tho. just against the belly
wet plaza
Wat
slender temple
your assuming it has to be somehow a meta item
most of the new uniques will be trash
i bet
wet plaza
I am assuming it should be usable
violet nymph
davoo that's a pretty awful thing to say
violet nymph
i wonder if the fated uniques will have replicas
void wing
It wouldn't be 40% global es, it'd be higher keeping in mind the difference in how much life vs es there is on tree.
slender temple
chris said the new uniques are new items
and they haven't done fated versions yet
but they can in the future
ziggyD actually asked that question
void wing
So I'd imagine probably more like 60-75% global es.
But it doesn't makes sense regardless.
The armour has no es and would need to change base type to work.
slender temple
your also assuming the alt to life is ES when it could also be mana for MoM builds
violet nymph
pledge of hands, socketed gems are supported by level 30 greater unleash 👀
void wing
Yea it could be mana.
slender temple
what would greater unleash do? add extra cahrges?
violet nymph
extra charges, faster seals.. 🤷
slender temple
pldge of hands is already brokenly strong . any alt to it would be interesting
these replicas have some negative effects too.
what would that look like -100% mana? haha
poh gives you spell damage and % mana and greater spell echo
violet nymph
oooooooh
slender temple
kind of like ambu went from getting end charge on crit to ogetting end charg eon getting hit changed the 2% life regen to -2% life regen.
poh will have to get some penalty stat too
void wing
Doesn't need to get a penalty stat.
slender temple
im just saying based on what we've seen
void wing
The penalty stat is because rep ambu charge gen is better than normal ambu.
slender temple
im just a random potato makiong comments i dont work for ggg
void wing
Look at rep abyssus, doesn't have any extra downsides.
slender temple
so the -2% regen is just to baalance it against regualr ambu then
ok hats fine
yeah
void wing
It's to balance the better charge generation yea, otherwise it would just be a better ambu.
slender temple
ele damage actually easier to mitigate than phys too
violet nymph
REPLICA XIRGIL'S CRANK
+1 to Level of all Spell Skill Gems
+15% Chance to Dodge Attacks and Spells
(60-80)% increased Spell Damage
+(70-100) to maximum Energy Shield
Reflects 1 to 150 Lightning Damage to Melee Attackers
20% chance for Energy Shield Recharge to start when you Dodge
slender temple
also we dont know which uniques will have replicas
i mean. im sure everyone wants a replica HH just to see what ggg does with it
xirgil was a 2h right
violet nymph
it's a staff
slender temple
oh ok
violet nymph
heh, here's a super simple and funny one
slender temple
will we get an alt gluttony belt
violet nymph
REPLICA TRYPANON
50% less Damage
All Attacks with this Weapon are Critical Strikes
violet nymph
yeah
slender temple
like crit strikes cant be reflected, xyz on crit, etc
cast on crit
turns that item into a utility item
violet nymph
REPLICA KONGOR'S UNDYING RAGE
Adds (43-56) to (330-400) Physical Damage
(30-40)% increased Critical Strike Chance
-(15-20)% to all Elemental Resistances
You are Blind
You gain Phasing for 4 seconds on Critical Strike
instead of hits can't be evaded/crits deal no extra damage, just... "you are blind" lol
and phasing instead of onslaught
also reduced instead of increased resistance
slender temple
isnt there an amulet that gives you some bblind bonuses
violet nymph
though that may be unnecessary
slender temple
added this or last league?
violet nymph
oh, oh shit
i just realized i wanted something
really badly
REPLICA MAROHI ERQI
Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 15 Ancestral Call
(200-230)% increased Physical Damage
Adds 30 to 40 Physical Damage
10% increased Attack Speed
10% increased Movement Speed
(40-50)% reduced Stun Duration on Enemies
-100 to Accuracy Rating
literally anything that gives me ancestral call or additional strike targets without me having to do much to get them is all i want lol
compact junco
strike skill on marohi
violet nymph
heavy
strike
b o i
i'm starting the league with heavy strike berserker, that exact weapon i put there would be perfect
i'd have to change some amount of things about the build but it's alright
slender temple
the nice part is i think we 'll be able to get some of the uniques before maps maybe or some or all of hte gems
i mean access to the loot pool
is it 450 new gems making it 900 gems total or 900 new gems
violet nymph
REPLICA REDBLADE BANNER
(80-100)% increased Armour
+(50-60) to maximum Life
20% reduced Taunt Duration
+5% Chance to Block
100% increased Warcry Cooldown Recovery Speed
Warcries have no Power
sorry, it's so easy to come up with ideas for these lol
slender temple
do warcries work with 0 power?
violet nymph
yes
slender temple
but they always haev some min power when you do them
violet nymph
exerting has nothing to do with power
slender temple
yeah
great interim unique
decent stat stick
remember some of the league stuff can be replica too. but what about influenced items ?
]will there be a replica solstice vigil?
or void/star forge?
violet nymph
they're replicas so obviously they don't have the power to influence those items lol
which is kind of cool flavor-wise
so honestly, yes
i expect a replica starforge
lemme make one
slender temple
you deal no non corrrupted blood stacks
violet nymph
REPLICA STARFORGE
(200-300)% increased Physical Damage
(5-8)% increased Attack Speed
+(90-100) to maximum Life
Your Physical Damage can Ignite
20% increased Area of Effect for Attacks
You cannot cause Impale
purephys ignite scaling lol
slam ignite
oh here's a fucking weird one
violet nymph
REPLICA ASTRAL PROJECTOR
+(30-50) to Intelligence
(20-25)% increased Spell Damage
30% chance to Avoid Elemental Ailments
Projectile Spells have 20% more Area of Effect
Projectile Spells impact you instead of at the targeted location
i think this literally only works for fireball lol
it was cooler in my head
slender temple
ok so sire of shards on a piece of jewellery
violet nymph
no, it's not sire of shards lol
it's, the projectile spell hits you and does whatever the impact would be
violet nymph
which is why only fireball works lol
slender temple
i see
violet nymph
and i guess magma orb
slender temple
id like to see a new unique that has an effect like "imaginary friend" that lets you trigger on hit stuff from melee skils without having to hit an enemy
violet nymph
oh oh oh
slender temple
make it a chest armour or something stupid so people have to make a hard choice
violet nymph
REPLICA WARRIOR'S LEGACY
+(30-50) to Strength
(20-25)% increased Melee Damage
30% chance to Avoid being Stunned
20% less Attack Speed
Strike Skills also target the TARGETED LOCATION
violet nymph
20% less attack speed yes op
slender temple
i see less at tack speed but thats a huge multiplier on st
slender temple
id like to see them make alt shit uniques though
i mean not just to collect
but maybe more niche stuff
like alt shiversting
alt princess sabre
haha
maybe they will realize they need to fix the base item. contac tthe supporter and get approval etc
(psst can we make this useful)
wll they give us replica uniques that have RNG mods?
like replica belt of servitude
multiplier on random explicits
instead of implicit
and would a replica tabula even make sense. i seen suggestion of abyss sockets but that would just make that BIS item and crazy synergy with some other uniques
violet nymph
Honestly abyssal tabula makes a lot of sense
I wouldn't be surprised if it was added
slender temple
really?
wouldnt it become BIS
you can do soem ntuty stuff with abyss jewels
6 rmr jewels with nice stats for example
and then synergy with other abyss uniques
violet nymph
It'd be quite expensive to stack the jewels
slender temple
im not saying i wont abuse hte shit out of it and ennjoy it
but whats the downside? you can get 6L from a 2h i guess 1h people suffer?
violet nymph
And you'd need a 2h weapon yeah
copper kernel
no fun influence stats
slender temple
the joke build i linked earlier has the dps in the hat
oh yeah
thats true
no explode or frenzy chest
but you can make a serious stat stick with 6 abyss sockets
violet nymph
Honestly i think the investment required to use it well makes it balanced
slender temple
id love it
violet nymph
And the abyssal uniques haven't been meta for quite a few leagues
compact junco
it would be broken, wym balanced
sage oxide
Road to 100 with tabula if that's the case :p
compact junco
you can get like 300 flat life from 6 abyss jewels and like 90 crit multi with just 1 crit multi affix
slender temple
yeah it can get nutty fast
compact junco
make it 162 with 15 and 12
it would be almost as good as kaom and better damage than anything else in body slot
violet nymph
A worthy chase unique
violet nymph
That's literally like 40% inc damage at most lol
compact junco
bubonics are just per type of abyss jewel so nothing amazing
violet nymph
Lightpoacher might be good yeah
slender temple
the one with spirit charges
violet nymph
Also the belt lmao
slender temple
since harvest launch the belt has seen alot more value
75% boost to toeh gems
insted of 50%
violet nymph
For some reason i thought i dreamed that change lol
void wing
Yea its a solid budget option.
void wing
But if it gets popular it'll stop being budget.
slender temple
its common and has no variable rolls
i only saw like 8 abysses this league tho and i blasted a ton of maps. mostly it ended in the trove
rng ?idk
i also saw a breachlord every 4-5 breaches
in previous leagues i only ever saw a handful whole league
modest yoke
Are those mercenaries litteraly animated guardians? can give them aura equips and take on mapping ?
slender temple
they ar efor heists
u can bring one per heist
and 1 per wing of giga heist
iirc
violet nymph
3
modest yoke
T.T
violet nymph
3 per wing
slender temple
do you think ggg will give us the gem list on the 15th?
beause we are going to get it on the 18th from poedb ;o
once the GGPK file is available
gem info is available
barren crescent
The abyss items got nerfed few times so they are mediocre in end game nowadays
they are still solid for non final end game items
violet nymph
I think I'm just rooting for abyssal tabula now
slender temple
how baout
barren crescent
The belt is good now again
slender temple
abyssal socket on rings ;o
barren crescent
it became 75% inc effect from 50%
modest yoke
In general point will it be harder or easier to get geared up In Heist in comparison to Harvest ?
barren crescent
but yeah body and belt are the top ones atm
Safe to assume harder
when we don't have access to dedicated item editor
slender temple
is it safe to assume taht we get no xp killing the guards after the alarm goes off
barren crescent
but we don't know how strong the loot will be / reward item bases
slender temple
bex made it sound like hey come at you infintely
violet nymph
That being said the better loot system for heist might make it easier to get low budget good stuff
barren crescent
yeah, ggg don't like giving players infinite xp sources
without having to consume something
slender temple
league content generally good way to get unique items early on
so ill be hitting thos heissts up
in my normal gear with my scuffed build
barren crescent
Silent lobby only
slender temple
every act
violet nymph
I always do league mechanics from the start
slender temple
i mean ill die a bunch
barren crescent
act 1&2 for uniqs is so wurf
slender temple
probably start winning in act 3 when i get spcetres
slender temple
i hope we get a viable chaos spectre option this time around
barren crescent
I'd say betrayal lol
fucking up layouts due to fortification spawn
Merveil's Caverns in betrayal start 
modest yoke
Will "uniques stash" be a thing this league ?
slender temple
i started after that league
i can only imagine getting jumped in boss fights
there is already a unique stash tab
just fork out some $$$
barren crescent
here you have to know that betrayal encounters were like 4x as rippy as they are today
in the league
violet nymph
I really hope punishment feels good
slender temple
screenshotted
modest yoke
I know but i ignored it since , 99% uniques i drop are trash xD