dont think he's allowed to share any vid/content from the new league/changes
#1┃mirage-league
silver kettle
Hard to make a video of something whose main purpose is to stop things you can't even see, anyway
languid path
are the showcase videos using brands with new behaviour?
in the news post and press videos
native sonnet
btw, dk if any1 else noticed from the demo vid
silver kettle
Yes @languid path
native sonnet
both instance had increased duration linked to it
languid path
yeah then they look ok for clear still
wet plaza
I mean in the best case it'd show not much changed
And I guess that's the main takeaway?
silver kettle
That doesn't really work unfortunately, because if we try and 'prove' that all it does is give people an invitation to pick on everything different even harder
People just need to play it for themselves 😀
languid path
yes access to alpha clients please
north dragon
hopefully theres archmage numbers nerf
if not there is skills to abuse archmage dmg on
native sonnet
do elaborate
violet nymph
oos is still pretty powerful with archmage
wet plaza
Dunno it's just showing off stuff. One can dream about more animated previews :p
north dragon
lightning dmg suppose to have a huge range of dmg
cunning blade
penance brand looks amazing clear tbh
north dragon
but archmage just brings the average higher
cunning blade
if u can get it faster ofc
also did bex hint at gutting archmage brands? make archmage not support brands?
native sonnet
expecting some minor nerf, nothing that drastic
especially since they gonna make brand recall cost more mp depending on ur brand mp cost
north dragon
archmage meta still jsut that most might go oos this time
tender pawn
brand recall will not refresh duration, that's why archmage brand is gutted
native sonnet
yeah its still good with oos but oos is less auto targeting/coverage than brands and u prolly want/need to be in range to spam a lightning skill to maximize it
vs brand u just drop and run
tender pawn
plus more mana usage per brand recalled or sth like that
I wonder more about that part:
Brands now return to their original or recalled location when dropped by monsters, rather than the dropped monster's location.
marsh wyvern
we were just talking about that
storm copper
The thing I don't get is why nerf brands so much? Why nerf brand recall duration increase if the synergy with Archmage is broken?
marsh wyvern
scroll up slightly
tender pawn
oh, mb
storm copper
Brands were never broken or op before Archmage
violet nymph
stormbrand was kinda too good for leveling last i remember
they've nerfed it before
native sonnet
not really, not after they nerfed it twice
storm copper
I was planning to make a brand build as my league starter but that plan has gone to hell as well
And on top of it this is a small crafting league...might have to skip this whole league which makes me sad
native sonnet
just gotta adapt and make use of what's available instead of committing into something this early
violet nymph
The change to brands dropping honestly makes me sad
Altho the only brand variant i care about doesn't really care about it as much.
violet nymph
Penance brand honestly is the only one i care about now.
tender pawn
I hate GGG for teasing arma+swiftbrand and not showing it in video
north dragon
melee is tempting
violet nymph
Penance brand + swiftbrand honestly looks really cool for mapping
tender pawn
arma brand was my fav in betrayal and i'd really like to see some more love to it (considering nearly nobody uses it when they can use storm brand)
wary stratus
noticed something in the gameplay videos.. I think there's a new effect on mobs when they get shocked, it's quite nice looking
(that screenshot is 100% lightning conversion earthquake with brain rattler btw)
violet nymph
i wonder if they're buffing brain rattler
wary stratus
it checks all of the boxes (underused, 2h melee, supposed to be strong), so probably
wet plaza
Arma Brand is in such a weird spot with the ignite multi but innate high cast speed
errant warren
with swiftbrand itll probably be better now
since the cast speed is actually more useable
zinc swallow
is harvest it's own league? Do our delirium characters get transferred to harvest or do we need to start over for harvest.
zinc swallow
so start from the beginning for harvest? shoooot
zealous monolith
Everyone starts fresh, and there will be Harvest and Hardcore Harvest, with SSF as an option for both.
zinc swallow
im on act 6 of delirium. is there any point in me finishing? (I'm not happy with my build anyway
zealous monolith
Depends on whether it's fun for you or not
merry marsh
To learn the game
zinc swallow
yea i guess i should get an idea of the difficulty in part 2.
native sonnet
swift brand better be "more activation freq" or a huge cast speed like over 70% for it to be worth using
errant warren
if you dont like the restarting every 3 months then standard is the game mode you want
native sonnet
cuz faster casting is like 50% inc cast speed and is not even a good support to use
errant warren
20% more activation freq. would be ~ my baseline for using it i think
native sonnet
at lvl 1, scaling to 40% at lvl 20? =x
keep in mind that it does have a big downside of reduced duration (upside for penance?)
wet plaza
Would be dope if arms brand converted activationfrequency into some kind of ignite scaling mechanism
native sonnet
i guess 40%more at lvl 20 is kinda in line with the average support gems
that sentence though.... =/
"not as good as other supports"
though the 1 after "but if you're rapidly placing many Brands, it's a huge damage increase"
errant warren
i dont see how the math works there
How can 10% activation frequency ever beat 20% damage
marsh wyvern
haha ngl that confuses me too
native sonnet
it would make sense if it comes with some "stack" mechanic
x%more dmg per stack/hit recently
native sonnet
well, if anything the "huge dmg increase" part sounds hopeful ~
errant warren
hopefully they realize that activation speed is the same as damage on multiple brands or one brand
only exception being arcanist, because triggers/second is hecking important on trigger builds
errant warren
triggered spells are down a slot though, so the other damage sources arent scaled as high
so fire rate tends to be better gains
old cedar
how is this ANY good . Wouldnt you rather have 70% block chance than 100 and mitigate all dmg?
or is there sthg im missing
violet nymph
getting maxblock is hard unless you're a build specced into it specifically
like a gladiator
old cedar
Im sorry
violet nymph
or when you do have 70 block but want to use both acrobatics and block 🙂
old cedar
Im not very experienced. I saw a build with some demon looking shield that had a lvl 30 skill that dealt damage back, I only had that in mind
my bad
violet nymph
surrender
old cedar
Yes that
native sonnet
no need to apologize
violet nymph
most gladiators won't get much out of glancing blows which is true
native sonnet
these channels exists to help everyone learn , even vets makes mistakes all the time
old cedar
I'm just thinking there might have been a better way to word my question
wet plaza
Don't overthink it's fine
old cedar
I've also seen this trying to think how I may use it. I've played storm brand and you usually buff the brand itself in your 6 link. Do you think there is a combination of spells that when triggered with arcanist will be more powerful?
native sonnet
yes
in fact we just found a broken case of it earlier if u wanna scroll up lol
but ggg is aware of it now and will be fixed before release
wet plaza
You prevented the next Harold woo
old cedar
I will search for it
native sonnet
and arcanist opens up the whole spell arsenal so there's tons of possibility
wild arch
ED/cont brands? 
native sonnet
VD with necro
inc cast speed per corpses consumed recently -> cast speed increse activation frequency loop
wild arch
I wanna see bodyswap brands in action
native sonnet
that sounds suicidal lol
wild arch
That's the best part
native sonnet
looking into minion instablity brand now
marsh wyvern
i wonder how many people have that necro vd build planned out to break the game already
and just not saying anything
wild arch
Summon skeleton/dark pact brand
native sonnet
yeah, there's lots of potential/possibility
even unearth brand has pretty high dmg with gmp/proj scalings
marsh wyvern
thats weird i was thinking of skeles + dp brands as well lol
native sonnet
but the "projectile range" in the post got me worried about its targeting/clear
wanton flower
Will the new herald ring increase the frequency you can hit the same target as well? Anyone know
wild arch
Should be the case
wanton flower
So you'll have 7-8 lightning strikes a second roughly if you use two of them
Could be a fun build
Run -60% lightning resist with the new gloves and chest as well
old cedar
Do you guys think in terms of performance this league will be less "heavy" than delirium?
wanton flower
For sure
wild arch
Unless you activate delirium
old cedar
Oh the new gloves btw, they would work well with winter brand right. I saw the winter brand, seems good for bosses?
wild arch
The wither gloves?
old cedar
Yeah that increase cold dmg
old cedar
Oh so it only counts with like , what? Arrows?
silver kettle
any damage (or thing that could inflict damage) that isn't damage over time is a hit
wintertide brand only deals damage over time
it never hits enemies
old cedar
So like, initial vortex damage but not the dot. Cool
silver kettle
exactly
wild arch
Does vortex have initial damage?
silver kettle
yep
old cedar
Yes it explodes
wild arch
But so does cold snap
wild arch
I thought they were supposed to be somewhat different
cunning blade
can ball lightnings from different entities dmg the same target
wild arch
I have a semi related question
cunning blade
like arcanist brands
wild arch
Why is there no love for melee ignite 
native sonnet
isnt bleed in a pretty good spot? (i heard)
wild arch
It is with assailum
silver kettle
hey I have a lot of love for ignite 😦
I guess melee ignite is just something that hasn't been gotten around to yet
though I do have a note to look at tec slam ignite after the changes
wild arch
Does the slam support add ailment damage at least?
wild arch
I tried stormfire brain rattler ignite EQ once and the results were honestly sad
Even tho it was probably the best melee ignite option
I thought about trying melee ele hit, but there's literally no reason to use it over a bow
violet nymph
if wintertide never hits hooooly shit is EE gonna be nuts with it
Realm Ender would be great for melee ele hit
problem is that the melee staff strike animation is fucking shit
it feels so wrong
the first hit takes way longer than the second hit so it feels awful
you'd have to play like
berserker
for that not to feel like garbage
violet nymph
so yeah that's a very small thing i wish they would change
make the staff strike animation less 1..... 2 1.... 2 1..... 2 and more 1. 2. 1. 2. 1.
violet nymph
the first attack is very laggy, the second hits immediately after basically
try using a staff with a strike skill in early levels and tell me it doesn't feel like absolute garbage
barren crescent
I think thats just strike skills
wild arch
Just slam with caged god
violet nymph
no, staff is different
i can bear playing smite or frost blades or molten strike at early levels, especially once i get ancestral call
but if i use a staff with any of those
the awkward fucking staff animation makes it shit
i can't think of any other weapon type that acts like that
violet nymph
reason why i'm going on about staff is that i wanted to play the mythically obscure melee ele hit using realm ender
and it HAS damage potential
i started the build, picked up realmshaper for leveling
wild arch
Ele hit trypanon has more potential
wild arch
Ele hit trypanon raider with the alt ailment keystone
violet nymph
realm ender is a +4 7L for elemental hit, it's basically the perfect weapon for the skill
but staves. feel. so. bad
the non-fated version is a +2 7L for elemental hit, at level THIRTEEN
but STAVES FEEL SO BAD
ggg please
wild arch
So what you're saying is that staff needs to be nerfed and spells need to become more meta
violet nymph
fuck it i'm writing an inquisitor tree for it
maybe ggg will make staves better one day so i can use it
gloomy bay
Just play Blitz Charges :^)
wanton flower
herald of thunder could be pretty nuts this league, just theorycrafting in pob with some new stuff and I'm getting some crazy high dps numbers
survivability is an issue though
violet nymph
so many cool fucking things about ele hit destroyed by the fact that staff is shit
😠
like how you can use sand stance flesh and stone to give yourself defense and blind nearby enemies, and use that so that you don't need to stack accuracy because of effigon
rigid lakeBOT
violet nymph
pretty low budget
influence mods, especially for boots and body armour, as well as bottled faith
would probably bring it up to 2 or 3m dps
at the moment you're getting to like
late yellow maps with the build
if you can stand how shit staves feel
it should be sufficiently tanky with fortify combined with flesh and stone
not to mention regen from cons ground and leech from soul raker
quiet geyser
The Brand Changes Seem not that cool.
velvet palm
It's not like brands were cool in the first place 
north dragon
brands dark pact
barren crescent
still consumes your life
wet plaza
Pop those 
barren crescent
Skele DP Arc(anist) brand
desert abyss
hmm will we see changes to passive tree before it starts?
desert abyss
ok i just played last week so duno how it was before
gray ravine
uhm... so harvest looks like a boss-mechanic?
or something closer to synthesis?
devout osprey
or a metamorph lite
barren crescent
it doesn't seem to have timer related content
gray zealot
It seems like youll map for opportunities to start a harvest event and then u have a opportunity to do one craft
dull pewter
Ugh idk if i feel good about this new league :-(
bronze cave
I'm hyped for the economic omplications of the mechanic
wild arch
You mean the inevitable market crash?
wild arch
Mirror tier gear will heavily drop in value considering that everyone will have easy access to it
bronze cave
currency too
The only gear that doesnt lose value is uniques
at least the build enabling ones
wild arch
Synthesis gear on standard will skyrocket in price most likely
bronze cave
I hope they really go all out with the harvest stuff like they said. Because if the amount of good crafts you get is only mediocre or low, its gonna be a bit boring
frigid holly
targeted annul/exalt alone in combo with existing crafting is pretty damn powerful. Also that one in the video for switching influence looks crazy powerful
ashen zodiac
Definitely gonna try arcanist brand with ball lightning <3
frigid holly
(especially if you're SSF like I am)
bronze cave
yeah, but basically all crafts that are not these 3 powerful options are going to be kinda useless once you get a bit of gear
so i hope they are available to you at a good frequency
After day 2 im not really gonna care about alch, chaos or whatever crafting effects, its the targetex ex/anuls/influence stuff that you want then
frigid holly
One thing that strikes me in regard to trade league (which I've never played on so this is maybe missing something), is that the whole basis for the economy is the 'gold standard' of exalts. But targeted exalts (if accessible) blow regular exalts away fro actual crafting, so will that totally undermine the base of th whole economy?
bronze cave
I think and hope it will
its not just exalts, all other crafting currencies are available via harvest crafts too
frigid holly
right but pricing happens in exalts/chaos
bronze cave
yes, but that is dependent on the value of other currencies too
frigid holly
there should be massive inflation
bronze cave
its only priced with those 2 currencies because they produce easily handled numbers
frigid holly
If this ever goes to Standard it'll be like 30s Germany
bronze cave
their values are tied to each other though
frigid holly
(for people with existing large savings)
bronze cave
I think in trade league it was never this profitable to really rush high map tiers asap. People will want these high end bases more than ever
frigid holly
fair enough
wild arch
Seeds are gonna be the new currency
bronze cave
Guess it all depends on frequent those good crafting options are
torpid sonnet
The value of ex is inflated a lot by their use as currency, so I dont think these targeted slams will make a massive difference to the price
also ex are still used for some of the expensive bench mods
rotund pine
yo guys do u think the damage of the spells triggered by arcanist brand will be boosted by arcane mage?
stark hull
archmage?
rotund pine
oh yea archmage lol sorry
stark hull
ggg said archmage cannot support trigger spell like arcanist brand
rotund pine
dang
stark hull
that would be busted, you pay 1 cast for archmage and the brand cast 5 other skills with the archmage bonus dmg 
rotund pine
yea that's wut i'd like to see lol
so the way spell totem cast spells is not trigger?
the reason im asking is i think spell totem can use channeling spells right?
rotund pine
but brands cannot
stark hull
we don't know that yet
rotund pine
i heard other people say cuz brand is trigger spell so it wont support channeling
stark hull
have to wait until they reveal the arcanist brand full detail
open vale
Big brain on the harvest-league page:
They're showing a T5 Dig map as the display-map for showing off the "Does not consume sextants" modifier.
Dig map currently only exists as a T11 or higher.
Does this mean we (could) get a reshuffled atlas for 3.11?
jaunty wadi
They always shuffle map tiers around tho league to league
tawny pasture
Every league they suffle it
open vale
Did they for 3.10? or did i just play way too much so i forgot about it
tawny pasture
Yup
open vale
welp. a sign that i should probably play less poe /s
open vale
did say it here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2781046
We are making very minimal changes to the Atlas in Path of Exile
so there were changes but not a significant amount.
bronze cave
oh yeah, you're right, there were a couple maps that got tiers changed +1 or -1 to prevent easy target farm
gray ravine
to be fair tropical island is also way overpriced because of the nice layout
tepid olive
especially for deliriums, good to hear they increased the drop rate of cluster jewels
hollow wharf
stark hull
devout osprey
tldr
wild arch
@rotund pine you can't trigger channelled spells in any way
Arcanist brand is literally spellslinger on a brand
Minus the extra damage to balance it out
violet nymph
also minus aoe and projectile range
wild arch
Well yeah
That has to be there, considering that you can place the brands ahead of you and just run away to safety
rotund pine
yea... guess no duo-winter orb or homing flameblast pizza action
so does spells like freezing pulse overlap if using things like gmp?
native sonnet
no, same as freeze pulse-gmp currently
native sonnet
yes
signal dune
does the cold dot brand does anything when there are more then one of those brands attached to an enemy besides other effects like damage per brand attached to an enemy?
silver kettle
Yes, their DoT stacks
signal dune
also do we know how bv arcanist brand will function?
signal dune
nice
native sonnet
that's actually not great (compared to ppl's expectation of BV on the mobs)
since u can already self sustain BV stacks
errant warren
yeah since we know its gonna have a huge reduction to damage and AoE thats liek the worst activator for BV
errant warren
selfcast BB and use brands for bladefall 
lime grail
is this the official complaining about brand changes channel
final wolf
Thats interesting
giving up your glorious vanity for that is way better than giving up belt slot
violet nymph
who knows, maybe one of the other 4 new timeless keystones will make it a hard choice
torpid sonnet
the thing is soul tether synergises heavily with one of the existing glorious vanity keystones
violet nymph
not eternal youth, i'm guessing lol
marsh wyvern
im dumb, what exactly is the implications of that change.
barren crescent
Not "every" slayer cyclone gets 4k ES 9k ehp non stop leech without slayer node
and loss of ~6%ish total ehp/s leech
marsh wyvern
can you dumb it down even more? from what im seeing, it looks like nothing really changes
violet nymph
referring to what
marsh wyvern
the belt
violet nymph
there are no changes to the belt
just that some of its stats have been compressed into a keystone
that will replace eternal youth as a vaal timeless keystone
violet nymph
i mean
barren crescent
unless you keep the belt
marsh wyvern
oh so the other jewel keystones has been changed/removed then?
violet nymph
what do you mean
marsh wyvern
lol i dont know
marsh wyvern
trying to figure out what the deal is
violet nymph
on the jewel
marsh wyvern
or is it that the corrupted soul keystone and the belt stacked?
violet nymph
they work well together
that's all
so you'd want the belt and corrupted soul from the jewel for that interaction
but if you want soul tether from the vaal jewel obviously you can't have another vaal jewel to get corrupted soul
wanton bridge
Dumb question
violet nymph
no such thing
wanton bridge
But How much block will i need to run on a staff build with Glancing blows to be capped on both
wild arch
Base cap is 75%
violet nymph
38%
wanton bridge
My math thus far says 40% block/spell block
To be capped at everything
My main problem is recovery
violet nymph
well 38x2 is 76 unless you're using anvil
wild arch
Are you trying to do staff gladiator or something else?
wanton bridge
As I wouldn't have access to stuff like Surrender or AA
Are you trying to do staff gladiator or something else?
@wild arch staff Zerker
Or staff Jugg
I ask this
As I'm trying to figure out how much life regen I'll need
And EHP
wanton bridge
Yes
Also if i did go glad, I'm definitely doing sword and board
Staff maybe fun and all but sword and board is far more reliable
Also dumb question numero dos
Do simulacrums get boosted by the harvest buffs?
wild arch
What harvest buffs?
wanton bridge
The ones shown in the intro
marsh wyvern
@violet nymph thanks. was thinking it was more complex than that as poe things usually are.
wanton bridge
The beefed up harbinger map
wild arch
No idea until they reveal anything
wary stratus
Nobody outside of GGG can answer that lol
native sonnet
no simulacrum was shown/teased so can't answer that
wanton bridge
Also can it affect the drops from Atziri's Vaults?
wild arch
We don't know anything about that system
wanton bridge
That's something I'd like to keep an eye on
As it can take some maps from meh to VERY NOICE
wild arch
Best I can offer is 1 seed
wanton bridge
I was thinking something along the lines of Vinktar Map
Or Mao Kun or Perandus Manor
Also semi important question uno
Do the harvest buffs collide with buffs from delirium orbs
wild arch
We don't know anything about the harvest buffs
marsh wyvern
i dont disagree, last time i played tec slam i used that one staff... forget what its called tho and it was terrible
violet nymph
tectonic slam isn't a strike skill
marsh wyvern
ok
violet nymph
as far as i know that wouldn't use the same animation, maybe i'm wrong though
marsh wyvern
you are prolly right
violet nymph
was the attack pattern like
1.... 2 1.... 2 1.... 2
cause that's the awful staff pattern i hate
i really should record some video to display what i'm talking about
silver kettle
oh so I checked this
every weapon has the same timing
assuming we're talking about basic attacks here
silver kettle
probably 3.7 with the melee animation stuff?
silver kettle
I'm not 100% sure
but anyway, it's not a staff-specific thing
so would be a much larger change
marsh wyvern
i just checked the old build guide i used for tec slam (it was EE's) and no it looks like its normal when using a slam back then
violet nymph
well right now i'm going through twilight strand as a templar, and sceptre doesn't feel too bad cause the attacks are pretty evenly spaced
silver kettle
checking on templar too, the timings are exactly the same
I think you just notice it more with a staff because it has lower attack speed
native sonnet
rip hege, used to be "the" staff when i started playing
violet nymph
i seem to recall the staff's second attack coming out way faster and the first attack being way slower
silver kettle
oh yeah that definitely does happen
but the point is, that happens with every weapon
violet nymph
i recall it being way worse on staff, the uneven-ness of it
silver kettle
right, that's what I'm explaining is not the case
I think it just feels more uneven because staves are slower
wild arch
Just use multistrike
violet nymph
if the game would give me a damn staff i could do more testing lol
it feels like enough of a difference probably just because of the attack speed
as if the slower the attack speed you have the more of a difference there is in that first and second attack
gotta say, slow hits never feel good when they're uneven
like, with slower attack speed it feels like the staff's animation becomes more uneven
so yeah, that's yet another reason why strike skills are awful
wild arch
Now if only they could allow us to use viper strike with axes
violet nymph
i really hope something gets added or changed in 3.11 that makes strike skills decent
i thought that was going to be the "reworked skill type" and it'd get some cool new qol support
alas
wild arch
Right, so now we got strikes and slams
What about all the other aoe skills like lacerate and sweep
barren crescent
🌀
violet nymph
slams are getting upgrades
strikes and other melee skills left in the dust
i mean cyclone has been too powerful for too long
barren crescent
no no, its barely playable according to Legion players
violet nymph
those people never played coc
cyclone is basically the only playable coc skill
everything else is suboptimal
same with cwc
wild arch
Flicker CoC bodyswap
velvet palm
yawn opinions
violet nymph
unarmed feels way better for strikes because it doesn't do the weird chain attack mechanic
just consistent hits
same tempo
turns out staff smite is actually fine which is interesting
it doesn't use the normal strike animation
if elemental hit had the same animation as smite it would be great, alas it uses the same animation as basic attack
hardy thunder
native sonnet
random thought, we farm seeds that hatch to monsters, so does that mean they are eggs instead of seeds...?
cosmic spire
Just wait until we graduate to farming chickens.
brave pulsar
brave pulsar
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2874544
wary stratus
"However, we can give a lot of 'Physical Exalts' early in the game through Harvest as they can only be used on lower level items and don't have any implications for Endgame items." if they mean item level, there are definitely low iLvl items that can be used endgame
iLvl 1 bows for +gem levels for example is fairly common
rocky vine
So can I craft early +2 staves?
wary stratus
.. maybe? I have no idea what crafting method is used for those
I just know that +1 to Level of Socketed Gems is a guaranteed modifier on an iLvl 1 bow if you use a Farric Wolf Alpha on it (with Cannot Roll Attack Modifiers), and that's powerful enough to warrant crafting around
the same quirk almost certainly works with some other basetypes
native sonnet
45 craft categories, assuming all can spawn on each type of seed (3), and say 10 different monster types = 1350 different unique seeds? hmmmm
proud knot
how do you guys think harvest crafting will affect the value of currency this league?
primal whale
Exalts might be pretty cheap
As well as Annuls and Divines considering you have target-annuls/exalts etc
lucid stone
So how do 'early game exalts' work
Couldn't someone save their crafts and then use them on endgame? Is there an ilvl restriction?
lucid stone
Hmm. No stash?
primal whale
Early game exatls work like every other craft
You run through the acts, open caches and plant stuff
Once you can harvest you just craft it onto whatever weapon you are using
#1┃crafting-advice will explode once 3.11 hits
pearl fossil
doe we know if collectors and dispensors are set at two for all tiers?
hot fiber
did they say somthing about selling seeds to trader to get other crafting outcomes or smth?
native sonnet
no info on either of thos
cobalt falcon
Is there any other league reward on harvest?
bold otter
anyone know if the pool of crafts temporary per harvest or unused crafts get stored?
wanton rivet
idk how long u can keep a craft up but anything u dont use gets turned into seed juice
silver kettle
you can leave a craft ready to harvest as long as you like. once you harvest it, you have to use it in that instance. if you condense it, you keep the lifeforce but lose the craft
cobalt falcon
I see, stored life force can use for future craft?
I mean after craft list revealed
Or need use before encounter
native sonnet
no, u can only use the lifeforce earned from that instance for crafts u got from that instance, u can't used stored lifeforce for crafts
rocky vine
Did Veil of the Night just get buffed?
violet nymph
it's a shitty item even without the "resistances are 0" stat so
it'd need even more buffs lol
that being said i'm sure it's among the 50+ reworked uniques
given how famously shitty it is
much like bitterdream
primal whale
well Veil of the Night is a meme item so idk
lime jasper
why did I get a random ping from a discussion channel i had never even step foot into until now
silver kettle
from memory, to give credit to you for having a necromancer VD brand idea
lime jasper
yo viper you here now
can you tell me why the keystones for damage taken as don't state "hits" anywhere in it
silver kettle
tempered by war?
silver kettle
because they don't only apply to hits
they aren't conversion
other damage taken as mechanics do say they only apply to hits, because they only apply to hits
these ones don't
lime jasper
so the fking discord has been lying to me
saying damage taken as only applies to hits?
native sonnet
did they say that specifically or did they say you can't convert dot
cuz the latter is true for dmg dealt
silver kettle
a lot of people think damage taken as = conversion, so I imagine it might have come from there
lime jasper
so if you haev tempered flesh
and you're sitting ina shaper vortex
you take 50% dot in fire in stead of 100% cold?
am I getting this right?
silver kettle
tempered by war? yes
I had to double check this with Mark1 the other day to make absolutely sure, not gonna lie
lime jasper
okay I had enough of this shitty discord spreading lies everywhere
native sonnet
no cause there's nothing to trigger; yes like snipe/spellslinger
lucid stone
Snipe fires an arrow when there is nothing to trigger.
lucid stone
Important for EE reasons.
native sonnet
u sure that's actually "snipe" and not the default attack because there's nothing to trigger, like when oom it default to default attack
but there's no default spell, so AB/spellslinger wont do/trigger anything if not linked
lucid stone
Yes, 100%.
It says so on the skill card.
If there are no skills linked, it will fire its own arrow.
And that arrow gets the snipe damage bonus stages.
violet nymph
harvest is gonna get quarry abused
you can make plenty of endgame-level items with >ilvl63 items
and now the crafting for that will be basically free lol
lucid stone
Mainly spell weapons vs attack weapons
violet nymph
i posted a thread about it and everyone was like "no you're wrong you're wrong you're wrong"
lucid stone
That's reddit.
If everyone thinks its wrong, then you should take advantage of it and cash out just as it gets popular. :P
violet nymph
i guess i should lol
my starter's endgame weapons are literally just
2 +2 to puriflame wands
+1 spell +1 phys/fire
lucid stone
I don't know what to play. If Geofri's Devotion gets a buff (like lower cooldown or local crit), I might actually seriously play that.
violet nymph
no other mods required
lucid stone
Can't decide between PF brands and dark pact necro.
lucid stone
You're using reverse psychology on me because you know they're gonna be good. o^o
lucid stone
And cause you know I'll do the opposite of what you tell me
native sonnet
the nice part about brand/spells is u can just swap on another spell and keep 90% of the same tree for the most part
lucid stone
I love purifying flame mines. Brands will be able to take advantage of the HoA overkill thing.
Less AoE might hurt tho
violet nymph
except the clear will be shit
because the puriflame will always just be like selfcast ice nova on the brands basically
let me find footage cause there was some
lucid stone
I never played brands much before. Is the change to brand recall and brands not dropping on enemies enough to make them terrible?
native sonnet
the million dollar question lol
lucid stone
Brands can get some pretty fast hitrate. I think it might be a lot faster than selfcast, and remove the clunkiness.
native sonnet
based on the description, yes it sounds like a pretty big nerf to clearspeed from chaining offscreens
lucid stone
But not unplayable..
native sonnet
but viper tried it and say its not noticeable
since those are "offscreen power/clear" that u dont see in the first place
lucid stone
Then I hope reddit stays on the bandwagon and keeps all my brand gear cheap.
native sonnet
brand gear is basically just generic spell gear lol
lucid stone
Cluster jewels, I guess.
native sonnet
ah
violet nymph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVIMBydGysM&t=1m23s look at this shit
puriflame brand is garbage
native sonnet
dont think it'll be too bad
lucid stone
Brand starter would let me throw all my gear onto my next spellcaster.
If it's mostly generic
I kinda want to do corpse skill brands with a necromancer.
Like VD or something
Is Necro any good with brands?
lucid stone
The brands would get faster with corpse skills
native sonnet
will be fixed before launch
silver kettle
Trying to fix without making it bad though
native sonnet
im kinda expecting a hardcap on the bonus from necro
native sonnet
yeah
lucid stone
pls no viper
native sonnet
after like 13 seconds u go to .02 activation frequency
without any investment
and start exploding 2.4k corpses a second
lucid stone
Well, ignoring that, because that is gonna get gutted, does necro brand have anything else going for it as a league starter?
native sonnet
there's potential with minion instability
lucid stone
If I do dark pact, I'd get +2 which would make levelling after cruel lab pretty smooth
native sonnet
either srs/skele
lucid stone
But that would wreck my life.
lucid stone
I guess if I do necro depends on how gutted
Corpse Pact will be
Because DD aukunas zombie brands sounds very fun if I can make them go fast.
native sonnet
i was actually thinking unearth
lucid stone
Unearth until I can get aukunas. 🤷
native sonnet
with gmp/proj scaling the dps is actually good
but the news said reduced proj range
lucid stone
And since they're on top of the enemy they shotgun
lucid stone
But don't they target other enemies?
Projectiles will aim at the enemy not branded, right?
native sonnet
aye
native sonnet
firestorm still highest dps output with it i think
lucid stone
Gonna reserve a name for leaguestart
native sonnet
as long as its not a superfast moving mob
lucid stone
No intensify, right, because firestorm would be triggered.
native sonnet
ya
lucid stone
Does Mitts give you league-specific uniques?
native sonnet
i would imagine so, if u can get hh from wretched
lucid stone
Maybe try my luck and try to get aukunas from Mitts
native sonnet
spark is another high potential 1
depending on how that max range override interact/affect it
errant warren
I've tried Aukuna's DD before, it has some problems
You need 2 spellcast loops, one for the zombies and one for the DD, because you need at least 3L for the zombos
and the DD needs a full 6
Cuz if you cant slip in Minion Life support, its just not worth doing Zombies over desecrate
Arcanist brand will probably be the best iteration of it so far though, but im concerned that the zombie life nerfs from last league will hit it too hard.
Arcanist - Zombie - Minion Life - DD - Combustion - X is a sort of acceptable setup
native sonnet
does zombie life scale with lvl?
errant warren
yeah
native sonnet
empower then
errant warren
X is probably empower
native sonnet
but idk about minion life
it scales the life for the 6%, but not the base dmg from dd
errant warren
to 50% More
If you are doing Aukuna's your doing the life scaling
If you arent focusing on the life scaling might as well skip the minion life investments
and the gloves
violet nymph
firestorm brands will probably be good
i wish there was a stance aura that switched you between big area and small area for your spells
i think bladefall blade blast will be a better build
this dude really said supreme ego is good for miners
lmao
wild arch
Thoughts on poison EQ? 
Oh shit this made me realize something
How low can you get poison duration to go?
If you can manage to sync up your poison duration with EQ aftershocks then you can abuse the cluster node that gives you 200% Inc poison damage against unpoisoned enemies
terse sinew
Are you really trying to make melee even worse??
There doesn't need to be a wind and water stance...
barren crescent
Isnt it 300% vs non poisoned
wild arch
That's even better then
EQ already has a big chunk of added flat and the aftershock has a solid more damage modifier
Plus it's getting buffed in some way
Big poisons might finally have potential
barren crescent
Wouldnt you want Inc dur to push aftershock just past psn dur
compact junco
i played vaal poison eq this league
outside of novelty, its bad
you are basically playing worse poison BV
deep wave
Would it be viable to leaguestart max block necro since bone offering+rumi caps you?
*with glancing blows
violet nymph
sure
oh shit i just realized rumi is gonna be fucking expensive now that glancing blows will be on the tree lmao
violet nymph
why is that
i want to see someone make use of this with the new elemental armor keystone
glancing blows
etc
never die
jugg, brass dome
lol
CI
compact junco
i dont think many people would be willing to spend 8+ points for glancing blows on CI build
its meh at best
compact junco
yea, not even close
barren crescent
oh right I was thinking agnostics
median onyx
Can you just run T1 maps to grow shit or will higher tier seeds need higher tier maps to grow?
compact junco
skin? yea i guess that would be good option
red jackal
median onyx
Ah, missed that, thanks @red jackal
barren crescent
That was important detail, no harbor bridge farming at least for now
bronze cave
harbour bridge farming will be good if t1 seeds are stronk
bold basalt
run harbour bridge 50 times, plant everything, open 5 T1 maps, harvest, repeat
tender pawn
I expect crafting options from low ilvl seeds will be crap
question is, will it be good for storaging leftover essence (or what was it called)
unborn echo
what does replenish means for PoE?
unborn echo
That's how I understand, but I don't know how it's implemented.
I took like 3 weeks to understand that "recover 3% of energy shield" depends on the recovery rate and it's not instant
tender pawn
would be cool if keywords like these were also explained the way they do with onslaught and so on
kindred dagger
lol they replace angostic on the dafault tree, i said it it was too busted as a basic keystone especialy to be able to have it in a so easy spot, seems they'll keep it as a legion jewel so
bronze cave
@kindred dagger what do you mean?
light adder
It replaces agnostic on the legion jewel, since it´s now on the tree, not completely
kindred dagger
yeah they added many legion jewel keystone directly in the basic tree now and agnostic was one of them but they removed it today with another
there was people saying yesterday "na agnostic no big deal" yeah sure so no big deal that they allready changed it
lucid stone
Agnostic is on the Tree. Transcendence is on the templar jewel, replacing the mod that used to grant Agnostic.
ember lodge
Isn't there a notable called transcendence too?
velvet palm
@ember lodge there's an anoint-only notable by that name
violet nymph
Isn't that tranquility
wild arch
wet plaza
Would make space for ballista annoint combos
violet nymph
Yeah
cursive widget
so for the harvest mechanic, we have a tower that grows stuff, a tower that takes the life force out of the stuff you kill, and then a tower that takes lifeforce from the seeds?
ember lodge
It's not useless at all, anyone who used the original arctic armour can testify to that 😁
terse sinew
It is super useful for certain builds which don't do well with many small hits
Also builds that do self-damage hits
Like heartbound loop I believe
Oh they removed agnostic on normal tree? Tbf it would broken as hell
austere anvil
tower doesn't grow stuff, one structure takes life force, another to transfer
devout osprey
what is "the templar jewel" i keep hearing
wild arch
terse sinew
Isn't the agnostic symbol on the jewel itself? Makes sense
Or maybe thats the Templar symbol idk
wild arch
...
Agnostic is moved to the base tree
And the new transcendence keystone is on the jewel
terse sinew
I dont think you worded it the best, and I saw something about it getting removed or moved so I was confused
I understand how timeless jewels work lol
violet nymph
i bet the "faithful converted by xxxx" will be changed for transcendence
the lore of "the agnostic" was specifically linked to venarius
wild arch
Bold of you to assume they thought about that
violet nymph
rude
that being said the splash text for transcendence also works for venarius
kind of
native sonnet
just noticed the square lit up when he was placing the stanchion, basically just confirming the 2radius = 5x5 square
errant warren
|radius |square
stark hull
|AoE |square
violet nymph
What you think, will sweep in next update get "slam" category?
austere anvil
its not a slam though
violet nymph
yeah. but in reddit, they write: "Large AoE melee skills will be categorized as 'slams'. Similar to 'Strike' classification."
stark hull
tag: Swing
barren crescent
"non-cyclone"
round charm
I hope they don't mess up and allow "better rates" of high tier seed outcomes act 8-10 to be so big that it's the meta.
austere anvil
I think its safe to assume if some strike skill involves hitting the ground with your weapon, it'll be tagged as slam otherwise not
nimble fiber
smite buffs
limpid wigeon
stark hull
but... you hit the ground to send out lightning
wild arch
Oh shit it actually could be a slam
Then again it wouldn't benefit from the slam support
compact minnow
Which builds are you guys thinking to start harvest league?
lethal sleet
I made a pretty detailed theory crafting post on harvest mechanics -- is it against the rules to link in here?
wanton rivet
hope slams are good so tired of cyclone
rancid crypt
i'm interested in arcanist brand for gc or the dot brand for vortex but we'll after patch notes & skill gems info
wanton rivet
yeah arcanist brands look like what i was hoping spellslinger would be hopefully its good
rancid crypt
what i was hoping spellslinger would be
wdym?
hazy cloud
so are we gonna see alot of 2handed weapon builds now with harvest?
tender tusk
depends on the changes
hazy cloud
I wanted to try a shield build for once. I always been ranged/caster so far
wicked venture
2h still look slow
violet nymph
Aegis aurora gladiator CI invincible
wicked venture
Give me 2h tectonic slam with crazy attack speed and I'm all in
finite torrent
I wonder how 2h spectral throw would do
radiant lance
I don't know if we'll see a 'lot' of 2H builds, the new changes are promoting a slower playstyle that a lot of players just don't like in modern poe. I think we will definitely see more people playing them, cause that happens when any build type gets a buff.
slender temple
Oni goroshi league ? 😋
radiant lance
they'd need to make 2H weapons pretty op, to make most people opt in over 1H
we'll see
wild arch
Because they gave so much free flat damage to most attacks there isn't really a reason to use 2h over dw thanks to already attacking faster and also getting 15% more speed on top
wild arch
Wait no it's 10%
Dual wielding is just straight up better
Viper's reaction leads me to believe that 2h will get something similar
wet plaza
or dual wield bonus goner
violet nymph
what reaction
wild arch
That sounds fair
barren crescent
I can understand the speed bonus, but why is rest even there
wet plaza
cos nobody dualwielded prolly
barren crescent
kinda funny how its exclusive to phys when you think about it
wild arch
If you plan on doing ele damage you normally just convert phys anyway
Hard to think of exceptions
HOWA is the only one coming to mind right now
silver kettle
From memory it was added at a time when flat ele reigned supreme. Might have been an attempt to incentivise different builds
wild arch
Flat ele was a thing?
barren crescent
it still is
wild arch
Everything before impale feels like a fever dream
soft tree
Wait those it mean that blade flurry can come back?
normal pollen
Flicker comes back
wanton rivet
what build wants the new keystone.. i feel like u'd only use it if you're playing a dagger chieftain or something
swift pagoda
I know you can't gain charges while in divinity, I mean if you don't have divinity and hit 10 times a second
would you gain the buff in 1 second
errant warren
What does divinity do? That uptime seems high
wild arch
wild arch
Seems like it could be useful on a melee witch or something
As long as you're doing an elemental build of some sorts
Then you can just stay on your side of the tree without stretching it unnecessarily towards other stats
wild arch
But yeah, this thing is insane for ephemeral garb
hasty perch
nice for cospri too
and mjolner ofc
but mjolner at least needs str and str is always good to have for hp
212 dex and 257 int on a char using 0 mana is ew
wild arch
You can use mjolner and cospri without absolutely murdering your tree tho
hasty perch
yeah , but I think it's still a solid choice
freeing quite a few mods on gear
considering you lose like nothing from it as a life based cospri
daring zephyr
There's a really small cooldown on collecting the divine charges. Like 300ms or something
lyric pine
afaik wiki says it's a 1s cooldown on gaining charges, so you're buffed for 10 seconds, then unbuffed for 10s, 50% uptime.
bold basalt
ugh, if timeless jewel can be gotten with cards, the price is gona drop to like 25%
same like Dying sun did
misty knot
also brutus lead sprinkler
violet nymph
timeless jewels dropping in price is a good thing 😎
barren crescent
doubt, if anything they go up
with new stuff
and the card will prolly be obscurely rare as per always
grim sparrow
This league herald dominated so much every other stuff was cheap
cunning blaze
Have they nerfed the herald shenanigans more after the mid league nerf?
slender temple
Either lower numerical values or limit noteable stacking to like 2-3 imho
coarse moon
they said during the mid league nerf they were definitely going to nerf it more, but after the league ended
so i lowkey expect it to be a shell of its former self
true cloak
heralds will 100% be dead
slender temple
Heralds are dead all hail brands
wild arch
Brand range got nerfed so they're dead too
coarse moon
nah brands are just about to become better selfcast
wild arch
You mean there are ways to play brands other than selfcast?
wild arch
That's not what selfcasting means tho
soft tree
Could a league starter be BF?
copper kernel
which bf is that
rocky nebula
blade flurry?
echo shale
You can
frail bluff
I hope it won't lag when all mobs attack u at a time
barren crescent
@native sonnet have you checked the pins 
native sonnet
barren crescent
I see no such pin
native sonnet
u're welcome
barren crescent
dusty umbra
Speakin of garb thats permanent uptime as long as you hit right
native sonnet
no
dusty umbra
While losing life or es from stats but take 10% less elem dmg on average too
compact junco
yea and with incandescent you take 25% less (reduced?) on CI, but you have to be CI
dusty umbra
Also synth body armour tehnically can roll reduced req iirc
dusty umbra
Real question is if supported by arcane surge/maim is still in pool
native sonnet
on chest? that's removed iirc
dusty umbra
Yeah i know normal ones were removed
dusty umbra
Was talkin synth mods but probably removed as well
Tho + spell or atk critnshould be still there as synth impli
dusty umbra
Power/frenzy on hit, endu every second, spells/atks crit look like best ones
For melee 15% inc eff of fort is big too
Doesn't look worth at all
shy belfry
yall think Archanist brand will be able to summon skellies?
native sonnet
yes
sturdy sedge
Anyone have suggestions for what to do about the crafts? I went through that reddit parody post and I have no idea what to do. I rarely have any items that are ready to just be essentially "slammed". There's so many seed types and the amount of work it takes to get an item that can actually benefit from a craft is pretty hard.
wild arch
First step would probably be to wait until the league comes out
violet nymph
^
the point of the crafting is for it to be easy
you don't need a good base just to craft
especially early on in acts
say you want to play bow as your starter for whatever reason
literally get a level 1 bow from tarkleigh
get some seeds for a damage type
grow them
and use the crafts
and have a better leveling bow, rinse and repeat as you go through acts
idle agate
They not ilvl restricted?
violet nymph
they are ilvl restricted
if they weren't everyone would just hoard seeds
when the point is to use them as you get them
idle agate
right, makes sense