1┃mirage-league

[sonic field]

much better than before yea

[steady sedge]

huge burn everything dude

[sonic field]

it falls off fast

but its a nice tank buff later

and its needed for the juicy relics

[steady sedge]

Probably i will start as elemental srs or poison-elem srs or elem zooguardian

than go into spectres

[sonic field]

ill try the new holy strike

[steady sedge]

GGG understood those

Minions should rise up

Other should bend the knee

Embrace minions. Reject other playstyles

Minions should be always good.

Other should suffer.

[merry anchor]

blah minions

[gusty wraith]

do we have any info if the frag slots that we used to unlock in t17 maps now will be unlockable in nightmare map or somewhere else?

[merry anchor]

dropped in nightmare maps

but instead of being a regular map its just gonna be run to boss, kill it, collect frags, leave, repeat

[sonic field]

slots not frags

aka 6th device slot from t17

[merry anchor]

ah

i read it wrong

my bad

read fast take chances

[rotund patio]

When details for the new gems release?

[sonic field]

next week

[safe sable]

font ?

[golden orbit]

So between It That Fled (Transportation) for foulborn uniques or Rin (Transportation) for Originator Influenced maps. What are yall going for?

[odd gate]

rin assuming wombgifts are reasonable to farm

[prime tree]

are originator maps now harder to get? haven't really looked too deeply into the patch notes / new atlas mechanics/changes

[steady sedge]

blah you

[merry anchor]

ah you scared me and my pants fell down how dare you

[steady sedge]

and what about you ugly minion hater

[merry anchor]

ugly, thems fightin' words

[golden orbit]

I was wondering the same tbh. I feel like foulborn uniques have a small enough pool for now for It the fled transport to be worth

[steady sedge]

go melee pussy

go

we will fight

[merry anchor]

i will go melee cause minion stink

they dont shower

[golden orbit]

Why not both ? Dom Blow

[steady sedge]

you are not shower too

[steady sedge]

i just minion zealot and assault everyone who assault minions

even they dont do it

better defense is attack

[pine crater]

The foulborn uniques not listed on the patch notes will still be available and the same for 3.28?

[merry anchor]

i dont remember seeing any foulborn uniques being removed, just some numerical changes to keep over performing builds in check

[vague hemlock]

Almost certainly

[golden orbit]

I think Foulborn uniques being 1/3 of the uniques available is enticing tbh. Originator Maps still drop randombly from threads found in maps?

[hardy oracle]

Is there any way to target farm timeclasps? Its gonna be so pricy for 20 duration

[lucid stone]

Are ancient orbs gonna be way more expensive now

[prime tree]

depends how common they'll be in the drop pool, but maybe?

[slow isle]

What builds are you guys looking at for this league?

[summer dawn]

I was thinking of trying out flicker strike this league. Minion buffs trying to pull me back.. Any flicker folks in here have thoughts about next league?

[heady cove]

I am not a flicker strike folk, but.... I do kinda want to play flicker this league

[prime tree]

all 3 of my "might play this" builds got either nerfed or are not possible, so probably just fallback to storm burst totem. Haven't done a totem starter since expedition's FR totems.

[heady cove]

On the topic of totems, the new transfigured shockwave totem looks kinda cool

Go hiero, shockwave totem, and scale AOE

Could be cool

[tired widget]

I'm league starting viper lash and maybe pivoting to flicker to farm enough currency/xp to transition to a wardlooper

[vast berry]

Viper Strike of the Mamba: Now has 30% less Attack Speed if Dual Wielding and Each Weapon Hits separately if Dual Wielding, dealing 20% less Damage (matching regular Viper Strike). It also now has Cannot inflict multiple Poisons in the same Hit.

The "hit separately" part HAS to be unintentional

this patch is a 75% dps nerf to a 2% used skill

actually just doesnt make sense

[torpid vine]

Guys, Arcane Isle Hideout or Apex Titan? I cant decide T_T

[merry anchor]

neither. im a giant space turtle hideout main

[past depot]

being a new player in POE1 is like getting dropped into an organic chemistry 2 course halfway through the semester when you are a pottery major

my face when ppl talk about skills, and builds

1+1 + ?

[north inlet]

Arcane isle

[north inlet]

So true

So what do you do in this case?

Copy ur friend’s notes

The PoE equivalent of that?

A build guide

[vague hemlock]

What gems don't really want to be imbued, actually?
Other than most if not all reservation skills, obviously, which skills benefit from extra level/quality over a lv1 support?

[merry anchor]

spectres

cause i believe they need to hit lvl 30 gem and without the extra level from the corrupt, im not sure they make that number

[hollow osprey]

Just a heads up, you still get the benefit of 20% quality if you already get it before

You corrupted it

Honestly losing 3% quality isn't that painful

[tame iris]

the main thing being lost is vaal skills

like lightning strike wont go for it

VLS is too strong

[vague hemlock]

Yeah, I know. Might be somewhat expensive to quality all those gems, though. Might just run lab just for quality if it gets too bad

[hollow osprey]

Idk getting a MP Support on LS is pretty good

[tame iris]

its less clear and less damage than vls

[vague hemlock]

Oh yeah, forgot about that as well

[hollow osprey]

Wait

Do minions benefit from Ancestral Call?

Ah fuck nvm

[tame iris]

i think the divine judgement AG does? and maybe some spectres but not completely sure

[honest torrent]

so... am I right to say this league has no new league mechanic? I don't see any fundamental gameplay difference between running a mirage and running another map

[summer dawn]

I was thinking of trying flicker this league, and looked deep into ward loop while I was learning CoC. What is your thought process here?? Might be what I am looking for

[hollow osprey]

Isn't it for the best?

PoE 1 has too much League mechanics that every once in a while you need a League that buffs the other Leagues

[hollow osprey]

Gem says minion can't use it

[tame iris]

ah

funky

[inner pulsar]

I'd have to open pob, but I'm not sure what 7th link would be worth the effort of rolling exactly High impact mines on hexblast of Havoc over just getting +1 level from a temple.

Though I might sing a different song once I see the exceptional supports

[vague venture]

This will be my stupid idea of the league

[young knoll]

did all content creators collab on their new video about mirage league?

[odd gate]

one of them probably started it and the rest did it as a meme

[inner pulsar]

I mean, there was a wave of "winners and losers" for 3.27. And at least 2 videos for 3.26.

So whether or not it started as an honest critique, it's become a meme.

[tired widget]

My plan is roughly

• level as viper lash assassin up to white or yellow maps
• maybe swap to one of the following flicker builds:
  • golden rule + the red trail + shadowed blood
  • flicker strike of power + unstable infusion
• quickly farm up 20~30 divs
• respec to saboteur wardlooper

flickering as assassin is a little scuffed compared to bottom side ascendancies, so I might not do it at all and just farm as viper lash, but I just know that if I don't scratch my flicker itch i'll end up making an alt to flicker anyway.

[idle jewel]

Looks like I will going to need to fix skill issue on build crafting part
I started at end of league, so all I did is big chilling, doing T14 40% deli map's and insta dying in simulacrum at wave 7.

Can't proceed this way into new league if I want to make some profit from what I like to do

Is cold dot build's even good for simulacrum?

I will probably start on occultist with vaal cold snap + vortex type stuff.
Stacking es for defense will be harder, I can imagine.

[tame iris]

its pretty bad because i ts so many buttons for cold dot damage

and simu mobs get a shit ton of res

[idle jewel]

Sadge

Witch will be either chaos dot or cold dot. It's not debatable.
My second option is templar. I will have both of those character's. Maybe he's better for that?

[inner pulsar]

So I might get assassinated for asking, but what happens if you Mirage a Krillson?

[willow grove]

do when have the full new ascendancy class revealed?

[dawn heart]

yeah your done buddy

[eager raptor]

With the changes to Tujen, is the assumption that it should lead to more other currency being found per window or does the removal of abyss and cluster jewels rather lead to less items per window?

[odd gate]

i assume same items just changed weights

[eager raptor]

👍 That was my assumption too

Also, we haven't seen the center bit of the atlas tree where the kirac nodes were, have we?

There's this line in the notes but I'm not sure how to interpret it:

Kirac no longer offers Atlas Missions, and defeating Map Bossess no longer has a chance to grant Kirac Missions. As a result, the Planar Tactician, Solidarity, Expert Reconnaissance, Commissioned Officer and Expect the Unexpected Notable Atlas Passives and associated small Passives have been removed.

I worry that pathing north on the tree might be getting more tedious

[edgy nimbus]

Whats the max level of the coined support gem?

[willow grove]

level 1

[halcyon tusk]

since frac orbs and ancient orbs are added to the core loot table will they also be in sanctum?

[edgy nimbus]

Ty

[willow grove]

np

[frank adder]

I would guess so yeah but don’t take that for granted. It would make sense 🙂

[barren crescent]

Dream and sirg have done em for longestI think, at least systematically

[barren crescent]

Ruckus will ensue

[lunar stirrup]

We still have to collect 4 voidstones .... or 3?

• 1st from uber
• 2nd searing/eater
• 3rd any of the Incarnation boss

[hidden fulcrum]

have they released the actual patch notes yet? not the reveal post

[lunar stirrup]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3913392

[hidden fulcrum]

thats the reveal

[lunar stirrup]

what?

[lunar stirrup]

What kind of actual patch note is ?

[hidden fulcrum]

its the reveal thats missing half the shadow nerfs probably

[odd gate]

read the first two words in the link

[odd gate]

maven

[lunar stirrup]

Didn't mention in there

oh you mean unchanged ....

so that's mean maven stay the same I guess?

[frank adder]

Yea maven is the same

[sonic field]

ayy it finally arrived

[quick birch]

so is the elementalist nerfs bad? im new but i was gonna do a ignite elementalist build but idk what the nerfs are to it

[tepid mist]

Say it with me: I will leaguestart static strike. I will not change my choice. No new info will sway me. I will leaguestart static strike. I will not change my choice. No new info will sway me.

[autumn stirrup]

they nerfed the golem buffs. Liege of the primordial wont have the 50% increased effect of buffs granted by golems.

[quick birch]

so my ignite build should be fine, well i say build but im winging it, i just wanna do a aoe dot burn build lol

[high fossil]

yeah, it should be fine

[autumn stirrup]

Wing to win.

[prime tree]

note that ignite builds also lost all the awakened gems which they used like 3-4 of depending on the build. So, that might also be a good deal of power gone unless there are new exceptional gems that will make up for that.

[quick birch]

uhh idk what that means haha, im like a noob to poe1 my most arpg build experience is pd2

[tepid mist]

There has to be at least one new dot exceptional right?

[prime tree]

eg. https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Burning_Damage_Support has an awakened version https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Awakened_Burning_Damage_Support which not only gives a higher number for Supported Skills deal #% more Burning Damage, but also gives +1 to Level of Supported Fire Skill Gems at lvl5. So, that's a good chunk of damage for an ignite build using a fire skill. That awakened version will no longer exist in 3.28

eg. a reap ignite elementalist deals ~35% more ignite damage with 4 awakened supports compared to the same setup with non-awakened gems.

3.28 introduces new exceptional gems, who knows if they can make up for that. it also introduces the "pseudo 7 link" stuff via the coins that could potentially give you lvl1 cruelty which would be huge for ignite damage, but also depends on how common or uncommon those coins are.

[quick birch]

so ignite was nerfed but not intentionally type of thing?

dang because i wanted to do ignite rolling magma then maybe find a new skill later on

[sonic field]

definetly

[prime tree]

well, there are the direct nerfs to elementalist which will affect ignite from normal lab onwards, then there are the golem nerfs on the cluster jewels if you were planning to use those which would affect you in like early to mid endgame and then there are the awakened gems which would affect mid-late endgame. There might be buffs to make up for those nerfs via the new exceptional gems and pseudo 7 link stuff, but it's a big unknown right now. Especially if you are playing ssf.

it's not like the elementalist and golem nerfs are substantial enough to have a huge impact on ignite builds up to like mid endgame. It should still be playable, just maybe lost a lot, a bit or no scaling later on.

[proper pendant]

Man .,. I have no clue what to play in this new league.,any suggestions ? I usually play a single character , This league I am interested in doing some boss farming , ( But I need the character to be able to do some mapping as well as I will probably only play this character ) ...

[hazy jetty]

Feeling analysis paralysis around picking a league starter :/

How do I cut through the noisy if this, what about that, but the other type shit and get a build prepped that actually means Something to Me??

Sorry if this message comes off weird. Been having g a bit of a tough time tbh and could use the support of yall in this awesome community 🙏

[quick birch]

ahh okay, maybe ill do it at the start and if it just gets too bad ill just do a aoe fire damage build

[proper pendant]

I might have to wait for some of these youtubers to come up with some stuff , also in my ccase I hope someone from this discord channel will give me some suggestions , It;s weird as I am not a verry experienced player so I don;t really know what most of the spells are I have to look them on youtube every tim.

[hazy jetty]

After over 650 hours I actually relate to this hard lol…

Tbh, my initial thought is something like “When did I stop PLAYing games?” And what I mean by that is I am not savoring the moment I guess if that makes sense? Like I’m so focused on being efficient that I forget to enjoy the actual game lol.

[high fossil]

might be time to try ssf? there's more grinding, but you actually feel the impact of what you drop, instead of just focussing on div/hr strats

[proper pendant]

Yes , that happens some times , but also , because I only play 1 build / league , If I start something that is really bad and I can;t even finish the maps I give up on it and stop playing the league....

[high fossil]

as for builds, everyone is cooking right now. Once gem and tree data gets released next week you'll probably see actual build guides get shared around pretty quick

[proper pendant]

I am also interested in the new hammer divine skill , i hope the numbers are quite high for it .

[sonic field]

the slam? we have the numbers

220% eff and 85% speed

[proper pendant]

the one that uses frenzy charges ,, i will look imto it

[sonic field]

power not frenzy

[high fossil]

it seems like it should be a decent slam, numbers are roughly on par with other popular slams from what i've heard. Not mega-strong, but the consensus i've seen is "playable"

[proper pendant]

yes power charge

I am curious how will it be on single target

[prime tree]

tyty's list is a decent starting point for good league starters (these are in order afaik ie. best to "worst")
The poe build subreddit usually also makes a list (tho not really tiered iirc) of starter builds https://old.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/

[hazy jetty]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense! I wonder how you or we might be able to find a compromise if one exists? Like having a build guide as a north star of sorts but taking opportunities as they arise to make best guesses about decisions, then referencing the guide afterwards if wanted?

[prime tree]

new skills are always a gamble because who knows how they'll be mechanically

[proper pendant]

For me is quite simple , I don't really follow a build guide letter by letter , I look up a guide before a league starts to see if I like this visuals for a skill , and also if I understand how it works , if the build is too complicated and I need a PHD in poe to understand how it works I look for something else

For me The hardest build to make work was the impending doom , I liked the way it looked and at that time I was super new to the game , had no ideea what I was doing , It took me like a full day of reading about it to make it do dmg...

[hasty perch]

yeah they're more fun in SSF because if they flop you're not behind on the economy

if your starter flops in trade you lose out on opportunities which is annoying

[brittle bobcat]

My build approach tends to be to find a guide online on launch day and play it by the letter, maybe looking into how it works once I get stuck in maps 😄

[proper pendant]

Right now , If i start the game blind , I manage to get to t16 maps , every time , But I never manage to scale up dmg / defenses high enough for end game bosses ..

Also , I do that in Normal game not HC , I do tend to die a lot 😄

[main scaffold]

oh wow, Jung's KBoC Necro is still good next league? hmm maybe I should try that.

[prime tree]

i think ben's starting kboc, so i guess. haven't looked into kboc at all tbh

[proper pendant]

At the moment I am tempted to start balistas , Have they nerfed them at all ?

[hot quail]

I dont think so

[sonic field]

theyll feel a little bit more clunky mid leveling now due to the new placement speed changes

but theyll feel much smoother later

[proper pendant]

Damage wise , they have not changed stuff correct ?

[sonic field]

nope

unless you used some skill that had its numbers adjusted

[ashen storm]

Does voltaxic rift inversion work with spells

Sounds cool for big boom expedition with 90 chaos res mobs

[hot quail]

So since this will be a mapping league, im thinking perhaps expedition and maaaaybe harvest depending on whether we get horned scarab effect back.

But how to get lots of screen explosions on a minion build? AG?

Since mamba poison got kinda shot

[toxic flint]

Did GGG mention the reason why Harbingers content is being removed?

[frank adder]

My guess is they’ve wanted a rework on them for a long time and wanted to push atlas passives for other league mechanics further which needed something to go?

[toxic flint]

figured that would be the most liekly case

[frank adder]

Something like that 😁

[toxic flint]

I for one enjoyed fighting The Blue Man Group

[frank adder]

Or it’s just GGG cooking and stirring things up

[toxic flint]

until we meet them again

[frank adder]

Im looking forward to them coming back reworked and better

[toxic flint]

perhaps we'll see them in the next league cycle or two

[frank adder]

Not the next I’m pretty sure

[swift zenith]

Not kinda, completely thrown into oblivion. The build is dead

[hot quail]

Well yes, so how to adjust minions for juiced exped with explody

[lunar stirrup]

Now .... why would I sacrifice an exceptional gem .... for a regular 3/20 gem?

Am I missing something here?

[prime tree]

maybe you don't really care about your max lvl exceptional chance to flee support gem, this is how you can part ways with it.

[bright sable]

Ssf things

[brittle bobcat]

That's 3x high level high quality, not level 3.

[hollow osprey]

Lets be real here no one plays Harbie since 6 years ago

[left wave]

[lunar stirrup]

i see ... but still, for a regular gem? why?

why kill off the awakenedexceptional gem gambling?

[lunar stirrup]

because in their eye is a low-effort-content, they will bring back a better version of harbinger content in the future, so don't worry about it

[left wave]

Is the new sion ascendancy out yet !! @lunar stirrup

[shut crescent]

I did harbies... it's a good early atlas strat... well, it was

[lunar stirrup]

not yet

[brittle bobcat]

Sounds like a decent source of fodder gems for double corrupt, coins, etc.

[lunar stirrup]

I'm gonna miss beachhead too for the cheap leveling method

[left wave]

Changes as welcome

[hollow osprey]

Oh god Templar melee is gonna be so bad because no mana leech nodes

[prime tree]

coins only work on skill gems tho, right?

[left wave]

Any good early gae far strats !? Ok cleaerer builds

[brittle bobcat]

Good point 😄

[left wave]

Will delve be good this league !?

[lunar stirrup]

is still the same, if you love delve then still gonna love delve

[sonic field]

fossils will increase in price tho

since they have been pushed to be delve only

but mechanically same stuff yeah

[lunar stirrup]

wow that's nice, haven't read this far but ya, then delve is gonna be better 👍

Good news for physical spectre, but elemental spectre ..... need to wait Ghazzy test is it a buff or nerf 🤔

[full basin]

This might not be the case if to many delvers start working xD

[sullen perch]

does anyone have a spoiler of this new mirage bloodline ascendancy?

[merry anchor]

nope

[vapid topaz]

do i need to wait until league release to see Reliquarian builds?

[vague hemlock]

Ascendancy full reveal on Monday (NZT) IIRC

[hollow osprey]

No but it will be more expensive

[vapid topaz]

can i play relic of pact build without these points but instead with the ascendancy?

[sullen perch]

Can u guys tell me how many i can inflict hallowed charges on enemies by default?

[open halo]

What is the info available on the new runegrafts for 3.28?

[prime tree]

unknown so far

[prime tree]

2 were revealed, the remaining 8 we only have the names for now.

[open halo]

Are they in the patch notes?
I'm unable to find them

[prime tree]

Arcane Surgge also graants 15% increased Life Regeneration Rate to you [sic, poedb]
and
Gain 3 Rage when you use a Life Flask

[open halo]

Oh wow templar can't stop winning huh

2nd runegraft is meh,
Unless I'm missing some interaction

[prime tree]

if the regen rate also scales with arcane surge effect, then that is indeed pretty neat

[tawny ravine]

Since it says "also grant" it should scale (like Crave the Slaughter scaling with rage effect)

[open halo]

With how it's worded it will work the same way as the hiero notable,
So it will scale

[slow isle]

Has anyone already decided league starters or will you guys wait until logging in to change your mind?

[noble stirrup]

any cool pobs outt here with that new belt?

[open halo]

Im on mobile rn so I don't have a pob with me but in starting a Templar,
If belt cheap then guardian shrine stacking spark,
If belt expensive then flamewood totems

[thorny fiber]

RF bro staying RF

[pseudo comet]

Hi 🙂
<- poe1 noob here 🙂
I just have a little question: is there a decent deadeye build I could play now in the current league, which will be decent in the upcoming mirage league? I just would like to play a ranger as someone new to poe1 and it would be nice if I could play something similar in the upcoming league 🙂 Thanks 🙏

[odd gate]

maxroll has a good LA guide
i assume it'll get updated for 3.28 (not much changed anyways)

[prime tree]

elemental hit of the spectrum also an option

[pseudo comet]

@odd gate @prime tree many thanks, I'll have a look 🙏

[whole nest]

you mean without the support gem? Guardian gets a new node that does that, and maybe the new cluster notable(s) interact with it as well.

[prisma steeple]

I claimed it but it is not showing up in game is it still not uploaded into the game or whats the issue

[prime tree]

https://www.pathofexile.com/my-account/twitch most of the time you have to go here after claiming it on twitch for it to then show up in your ingame inventory

[stable rock]

is phys dot elementalist still good with the golem nerf?

[whole nest]

should still be fine for clear and early progression imo, single target will probably be more of an issue now

losing % damage from the clusters is pretty big

[stable rock]

ok thanks!

[queen current]

Can I login yet

[prime tree]

as in play the new league? no. https://www.pathofexile.com/ when the countdown reaches 0, the league starts. 3h prior the servers go down and shortly after that the patch servers go live and shortly after that the queue opens up.

[queen current]

Oh I know I'm just super excited and can't wait lol

[oblique steeple]

relic is relic on every class

scion just gets the gigacrit damage from the center center jewel location, nice ascendancy choice, has the best leveling in the game, and other things

Probably going to be best on Sabo, and scion is the cozy play what you've always played pick

[sonic field]

this needs they lycia bloodline buff at the bottom

[prisma cliff]

stones solo, comfy t16 farming, delve 400-450, ssf or trade but low budget - 10 div, noob, skill issues - SHIELD CRUSH - jugg or champ / slayer?

[sonic field]

zerker maybe

[north inlet]

Wait what’ll happen to scion ascendant

Or will reliquarian be a second Scion ascendancy

[prime tree]

scion will have two ascendency choices once 3.28 is live

[frank adder]

Scion will be able to choose between regular ascendancy and now also reliquarian 🙂

[sonic field]

[prime tree]

judging by the name of that account i have a sneaking suspicion...

[sonic field]

yup

[sonic stirrup]

Wdym

[iron flicker]

rmt bot look at the date the account was created lol

[sonic stirrup]

Yeah, almost definitely

I just wanted to see if it'd respond and how

[sonic stirrup]

It could also just be regular phishing :p

[hot quail]

Does anyone have any pictures or links to the new miraged harvest lifeforce or miraged logbooks?

[sonic field]

idk about logbook but lifeforce is on the reveal page, and it doesnt show anything

[nocturne sand]

https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/league-starter/kinetic-blast-deadeye-league-starter#faq-header
is this a good beginner ish build

[sonic field]

just the name

[sonic field]

if you plan to pay for boss carries

because boss dps is far from great on kb

and its squishy

[nocturne sand]

alright thanks

is poison srs that bad for maps?

[sonic field]

no

it will be slower than kb ofc

[hot quail]

If you wanna map with poison minions, go ranged animate weapons, imo

They have really really good clear

[sonic field]

yeah aw is great

[hot quail]

You swap 2 gems for bosses and bosses melt too

[nocturne sand]

would that be just switch srs for aw and keep everything else the same?

man i want to play kb but i dont want to screw my self for bosses

[hot quail]

I dont know what srs guide you want to follow, but I dont see how different they could be

[nocturne sand]

the maxroll one

[hot quail]

You get chance to poison jewels and the 2 jewel abyssal belt

[nocturne sand]

im not nearly good enough to play my own

[hot quail]

Rest is just QOL basically

[nocturne sand]

https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/poison-srs-necromancer-league-starter

[hot quail]

https://youtu.be/RewVHLHq5mM?si=Lvfjq6bbJoakGjGF

Helm breaker made a very good league starter with it

[nocturne sand]

they do have an AW guide too

https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/poison-ranged-animate-weapons-league-starter

[hot quail]

Oh wait same author

[nocturne sand]

minions should be good right

[hot quail]

Lål

Yeah 200%

[nocturne sand]

i feel like starting aw/srs then make a kb later if i really want to play it still

would kb be ok for just voidstones im not experienced enough for ubers and all that

[vernal chasm]

has anyone made videos on sanctum

for new league

i can't find any

[sonic field]

nope

sanctum hasnt really been a popular topic since the changes

[vernal chasm]

i never really tried it when it was good and want to now 😅

[verbal tapir]

yh

or just buy carries for them

[verbal tapir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP6Q1hCYsy4

[abstract pulsar]

anyone else feel like the economy is gonna be rough? they buffed currency drops... but everyone else gets more currency so that changes nothing? meanwhile no chaos sink means divine will go super high and every strategies that don't make raw divines will just have to work harder and harder?

[golden orbit]

Most likely, the community will pit a different more stable sink currency like GCPs instead of Chaos. Happened before, not a huge deal.

[dense fulcrum]

whatre gcps?

[golden orbit]

Gem Cutter's Prisms

[dense fulcrum]

i fucking hate when those shits are high price fuck

welp econ gonna econ

[golden orbit]

It makes lab running slightly more used xD

People have theorized exalts will replace chaos, but i don't think there is enough exalt sinks

[odd gate]

there won't be nearly enough gcps floating around, they're going to be used by the 100s looking for good imbues
lab runners will make bank selling 20/20 trans gems to gamblers

[vernal chasm]

ty

[warm compass]

hey guys does normal breach give juice for the Genesis Tree? Or only the breach with the walls and defending Ailith

[devout osprey]

"normal breach" too

or it did in keepers league

[warm compass]

awesome thank you, working on atlas tree and im thinking of blocking the wall one

[vague hemlock]

Wombgifts are rarer compared to defence, though

Nice thing about unstable (normal) breach is (I believe) they are the main source of breach rings

[warm compass]

true i would run out of gifts, fuck

[vague hemlock]

Probably can buff drop rates on atlas tree, but defence is more rewarding per breach for wombgifts

Although unstable might actually be more rewarding per hour

[inner pulsar]

Did we see all the breach passive nodes on stream? Or are there still ones we don't know yet? I know there's a scarab to make hives lead to a fortress, but are there passives that make it more likely?

[vague hemlock]

There were two fingers on the "hand" that allowed for breach type blocking that we don't know

[native panther]

Is the new scion asdendancy already fully revealed somewhere i dislike that they did Not Show fully which effects every legendary Note has because it would Help for build making or also new Passive tree If there reworks

[golden orbit]

Officially no, but there are several reddit posts theorizing based off the shape.

[sonic field]

will be in roughly 24h

+- 4h

[native panther]

Alright

Wait i have an idea

The Guardian sentinel stays forever now right after summoning

[sonic field]

for that instance

so resummon each map

[native panther]

Yea

[sonic field]

but just once

[native panther]

But how Does it's damage scale.

?

[sonic field]

poorly

its op in campaign but dmg is very bad late

like of most stuff that cannot be supported

[native panther]

Ah Shit

[sonic field]

in endgame it becomes a nice survivability boost

since he takes part of your dmg iirc

[native panther]

Because i want to Go Ruthless and thought about making there and absolute defence stacker and use it as a damage source but i think Clearing a map would Take hours with that Thing alone xd

[sonic field]

well its ruthless so everything takes hours

[native panther]

Also true

Can it inflict Dot ailments? With example Chance to poison or anything

[sonic field]

it should, but with its attacks not the dot aura

[native panther]

Ok

i'm curious : Summon Sentinel of Radiance is an minion skill granted by Radiant Crusade, a Notable Ascendancy passive skill for the Guardian. It summons a Sentinel of Radiance that taunts on hit and deals fire damage over time to nearby enemies that scale with its maximum life : if you could scale it's damage with fire dmg over time multi and with minion life

and minion damage since it says it scales like that

but from what i read prob only minion life

[sonic field]

i think minion dmg still works on it

just minion life defines the base dmg

[native panther]

i see

i wonder if the burning aura does get affected by AoE increase because i cant see it on pob

[sonic field]

your aoe no

minion aoe probably yes

[native panther]

oh ye

[sonic field]

if there even are sources of minion aoe

[native panther]

not sure xd

yea

on masterys

by 30%

[hollow osprey]

Just don't forget to summon it on every map

[sonic field]

yep

[undone sequoia]

Any bow builds for mirage? 🏹🏹

[golden orbit]

oh wow, i don't think i've seen a bow build in a hot minute now that i think about it. I know there is a youtuber that is a huge advocate of CA/TR. Ele hit of Spectrum saw some action and is not nerfed. Bow skills kinda underwhelming though since wanders are basically better ranged attacks with a shield....

[hollow osprey]

Ohyeah I saw the trailer that GGG still loves bleed Split Arrow

[marsh wagon]

is pohx chieftain RF thing expensive? can i get to delve 500 with it without too much currency?

[frank gate]

Short answer: It's relative.

Long answer speaking to the question in general and not the asker: PohX's guide is immaculately detailed and has a support community that can help with it, however as someone who played it too around 75-100 divine investment last league. I will say it's functionality in delve, past about layer 250 is limited, and you will likely eventually need to transition builds if you wish to focus on delve. You can make it work. But it won't be optimal. I swapped off RF to Earthshatter, and then when I had enough currency(around 200 raw div though eventually investing much more in failed crafts) into MSOZ for delving, and got too around layer 600 before I eventually dropped the league at about a month in because of real life occurring.

If you are looking for a logical progression of PohX's RF chieftain, CWS Chieftain, is often considered a good delving build. But I personally lack experience with it to say if it's any better than RF Chieftain.

Finally a point that may seem obvious for some, but I do think needs to be stated: One of the things about League Start builds that a lot of people don't get initially, is that, often times, what is optimal for the early game, is not going to take you to the far reaches of end game. And you will eventually need to transition your build, either partially, or completely.

All that is to say, what you consider expensive is up too you. How much do you plan to invest timewise? Vibes wise? Effort wise? I personally found RF to be very boring, it's a very inactive build. However, it is an easy to understand build, without too many moving parts. So it was low effort. And easy to come online.

[maiden belfry]

yo for a impale build is slayer or champion better?

gonna go essence farming

[marsh wagon]

just to make sure i didn't misunderstand, you got 250 delve around 75-100d comfy? The lower not so comfy?

[frank gate]

No, I got too about 250 by the skin of my teeth.

[marsh wagon]

with around 75-100d investiment at that time?

[frank gate]

75-100d at that time yes.

[marsh wagon]

ok thanks, good to know

if a low cost delve build exists i'd love to find it

[frank gate]

Note, I make no claims of being a good player.

[marsh wagon]

appreciate sharing your experience

i dropped into pohx discord too to ask, haven't got a response yet

in theory it sounded like a good plan

about 2-4m dps and tanky with 90 res

[frank gate]

My advice, watch Jorgen, he'll put out a build video each league and generally, it'll be 2 or 3 lower investment builds, and then whatever looks like the meta for Deep Delve this league.

[marsh wagon]

i honestly prefer witch builds but RF pohx sounded so tempting with the 90res and autoexplosions

it didn't sound expensive too

[frank gate]

The issue with the chain explosions is mob density in delve is not quite like mob density in maps. Along with that the carts movements are...

[marsh wagon]

guess i'll find out if i don't find a different delve starter

[frank gate]

It makes it hard for the ignite prolif to work.

It works at nodes.

But getting between nodes is 1 shot hell.

At least that was my experience.

[marsh wagon]

hard to imagine
the ascendancy gives 90 all res right

since u stack max fire and fire covers the others

u have block and all too

[frank gate]

Mmmhmm.

It seems like it works, but doesn't in practice.

[marsh wagon]

must be some one shots, i'll adjust my expectations

in theory it sounded like the toughest char ever

[frank gate]

It's not. health stacker, or ES/int stacker takes the cake for that.

[marsh wagon]

thanks again, appreciate the sharing of your experience
until i find another i'll lower my expectations but keep this as the first choice

[frank gate]

Yeah.

It is a good getting back into the game build.

[marsh wagon]

the floor seems high

i hear u can do t16 without significant problems

doesn't lose steam in yellow maps

[frank gate]

Oh yeah, 100% it can do T16s with much less investment than even I put into it.

It is again, IMO boring, your gameplay consists mostly of standing around, waiting for ignite to proliferate, and occasionally dodging 1 shot mechanics.

[green remnant]

Its basically a high floor low ceiling build, as is most league starter

[grand fossil]

Efficient Delve is mainly about fighting monsters at nodes only, if you try to fight monsters along the way, you waste your time.
It may require a bit of a practice, changing some habits, or char adjustments to make it just run (leap, charge, blink, etc.) as fast as you can from node to node.

[white lichen]

Do you need to know where to explode walls to be good at delve

Or efficient at getting fossils

Thats always been a friction point for me thats stopped me really trying delve

Are the nodes just better/good enough that you can ignore side paths?

[thorn oasis]

Was i crazy or was there something called frost mage in the video ? If so is it in the patch notes ?

[tame iris]

its one of the new exceptional supports yes and itll be in the gem info not patchnotes

(assuming they dont keep them hidden for us to find out atleast)

[hasty perch]

looks uber cringe to use tho

dealing with the mana cost when you reserved all mana

i dont remember the exact wording maybe you can EB that

worst case scenario its lightpoacher gaming

[ancient trail]

kinda in the mood to do a bosser but honestly not too sure on what to play then? like i want main focus to be speed bossing asap ykwim? im normally just flicker enjoyer or cws 💔 but i absolutely suck at actually doing bosses so figured might as well just spam it this league xdd

[tame iris]

should be able to

but you can also just like mjolnir it

similar to how people do with high end archmage builds to enable indigon

[edgy gazelle]

did they say that we can still get foulborn unique jewels?

[hasty perch]

they nerfed some foulborns and breach stays so probably?

[edgy gazelle]

well I hope I can use the foulborn "Might of the Meek" to get perma Vaal Absolution, that would be really sweet

[tame iris]

how are you enabling perma vaal abso with that

[edgy gazelle]

someone made a build which uses the jewel with reduce duration nodes (which reduces soul gain prevention), and then it takes increased minion duration which does not affect the soul gain prevention

If you get enough of both, then you can use the skill before it runs out.

with the new absolution buffs, I'm keen to try it

[tame iris]

Ah i see so its might of the meek in scion sockets im guessing

Can see how thatd work

[edgy gazelle]

there is a reddit post & video showing how it was done last league (you can find if you search for permanent vaal absolution)

[green remnant]

A bosser and a build that can do pinnacle bosses are kinda different things

[smoky geyser]

Post your leaguestart using only standard emoji

[sonic field]

🏏 ✝️ 🛡️

[eager root]

when was the league

[marsh wagon]

pohx discord says 12d is enough for depth delve 500

i'll presume there's some variance in claims and take the lower one to manage expectations

[edgy gazelle]

I would believe it, probably would not be boss hunting in delve though

[marsh wagon]

guess you can save up all the auls and wait for more gear

[bright arch]

you can definitly EB that

its just stronger archmage, better scaling and you can still use reservation stuff

[hasty perch]

Idk about stronger

Like if i scale mana i kinda want to be able to use MoM

And if you reserve a lot the ES cost will be huge

[sonic field]

iirc it didnt mention not being able to use brands

so can go for that

[hasty perch]

More like different i guess

Yeah if they forgor about brands

[native panther]

are we getting the reliquary effects from scion and new passive tree today ? or tomorrow

for me it's 13:19 atm

[misty osprey]

Guys, anyone knows when Path of building fork will be updated for poe 1? With new league. Want to think about builds :(

[prime tree]

all they said was Monday NZ time.

It's the middle of the night there atm, so, will probably be a few hours

[native panther]

🩸 🛡️ 🪖

Alright

[hasty perch]

Expect it between 8 pm and 4 am

European time

[native panther]

Alright

[prime tree]

usually close to launch day. eg. keepers update came on the day of the launch, but it's usually just very basic stuff like tree data. New Gems and some changes will take a few days. You can look at the dev branch shortly after the tree json was posted by ggg to get a version with the tree changes, but you'll still have to do some custom stuff to account for things like skill changes and the likes probably.

[gentle geode]

whats a good class to play? first poe1 leagues i played were with witch so i would like to play another one this time

[grand fossil]

it's not about class but skills you want to play, as those define how your build behaves (move, attack, etc.)

[native panther]

Templar is nice with KF ballista totems next league and marauder rf Chieftain by Pohx, prob also some other nice builds Like eviscerate bleed Block Gladiator, If you want a minion build tanky and Strong Absolution ( got buffed )

[native panther]

mhm Well class can be quite important aswell for skills on some classes you can reach a Lot of notes for certain skills easier + the asdendancy

[grand fossil]

class in only one of the additions to the build, while skills define your build "mechanically", if someone doesn't like "behavior" of particular types of skills (eg. slams, or summons) changing class won't help them there
so to enjoy the game you first pick and test the skills whether you like them or not, and then you potentially choose an ascendancy which adds smth to those skills and to the build that uses those

[golden orbit]

Do you all think the buff to torment spirits scarabs enough to make it worthwhile?

[hollow osprey]

I find it funny that we getting 2 chase items in one League

Even if you don't care about Screams at all (or its gonna be hella expensive) the Cord Belt is still gonna help alot

Fucking ANOINTED BELT

[vague hemlock]

Both are belts as well, which is very funny. I wonder what maraketh/afarud uniques will be super sought after

[misty osprey]

oh, i see. thx. i thought patch noted release = tree is ready. guess not

[hasty perch]

Katal amulet looks amazing

But niche so probably not expensive

[agile hemlock]

Annoint vs abyss jewel is always won by Annoint huh

[prime tree]

https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export is where ggg posts the tree data. Might come today with the Reliquarian reveal maybe

[misty osprey]

thx alot.

[hazy orbit]

guys, i didnt play PoE1 in years, any tips for coming back into the game?

It all looks so overwhelming

[hollow osprey]

Just pick a mechanic you like the most and focus on it

[hazy orbit]

like league mechanic?

[hollow osprey]

Ye

[hazy orbit]

the amount of crafting currency and options is so vast

[hollow osprey]

Builds don't really change much from last time you left

[hazy orbit]

and new league is adding new ones

[hazy orbit]

is there like a tier list of ones that are good?

or just go by what i enjoy

[pine topaz]

in terms of minion starter / leveling skills SRS and absolution are solid options, right?

[native panther]

yes

[hollow osprey]

Just avoid those that requires too much investment

[native panther]

absolution and raise spectre received a buff if i'm right

[hazy orbit]

i have no idea which ones do

[hollow osprey]

Don't worry wait a couple of days

[hazy orbit]

last time i played there was no atlas passive tree @hollow osprey

[pine topaz]

I wanted to play spectres but I think starting with spectres isnt smooth. better to switch to them once you can manage to get a wraithlord and the shield

[hollow osprey]

There's gonna be some 3.28 videos on farming strats

[hazy orbit]

what do you play?

I know i liked legion, betrayal and blight

[pine topaz]

blight is peak

[hazy orbit]

it was also stressful

[hollow osprey]

What the fuck
That was 5 years ago

[hazy orbit]

sometimes id get overrun and hate it lol

[hazy orbit]

yes

[hollow osprey]

Oh yeah avoid Blight

[hazy orbit]

so again, it all looks so overwhelming lol

[pine topaz]

welcome to poe... 😄

again

[hollow osprey]

Blight is good but has too much requirements

[hazy orbit]

should i learn the tree?

is the tree important?

[hollow osprey]

Yes

Yes

[hazy orbit]

or can i just wing the tree

ah damn

how do i do that? fire up a character and get to maps? or theres like poe planner or something

i loved div cards, idk if thats on the tree?

[grand fossil]

for most "on map" mechanics, no points on tree = much weaker loot

[hazy orbit]

i see

[pine topaz]

it all depends on how far you want to get invested into it. one way or the other you will use the tree anyway since you automaticly enable it once you hit maps.

it all comes down to what you prefer. playing the content that you like or get realy invested into it and use the maximum juice that every league brings

[hollow osprey]

Alternatively just go Ritual and pray for RNG to bless you

If you are lucky you getting an average 3 div a map

[plush robin]

never

(strike skills rework in never)

[hot quail]

Maybe level with absolution then, it got a lot of buffs

[hot quail]

Yes, there are atlas tree planners available, but they will update the atlas tree in the up coming patch, we dont know 100% how yet

[pine topaz]

yeah. have to see whats best to go until I can afford speccing into spectres.

[light harbor]

When the new league starts ?

[frank gate]

https://www.pathofexile.com/ has a count down.

[tall plover]

I hate that Divine Blast looks to be kinds shit... basically a shield crush alternative with better base damage singletarget scaling, but no melee tag, clunky delay, and worse clear

[hot quail]

I wonder what crafts the new harvest juice is for

[nova robin]

https://youtu.be/zFzHf3etCTA?t=1247
Idk, the aoe looks massive with some scaling. Trying to scale it like regualr shield crush is probably bait. The delay is negligable with reduced skill duration and couple skill points
I think it will be good with generic dmg conversion/added as extra/ele scaling/trinity.

The showcase clearly went power charge stacking and crit route

[sonic field]

the delay should be reducable with skill duration

and also the dmg is not entirely delayed, its clear is

cuz the small thing that explodes seems to be able to deal dmg itself as well

[brave sigil]

after like 8 leagues i'm all out of SSF build ideas, no idea what to play this league

[nova robin]

roulette

[brave sigil]

hmmm

[devout osprey]

new skill perhaps? the holy bangers

[fleet sequoia]

hey does ggg usually release a full list of skill gems during the week before reveal

[prime tree]

afaik, yes

[fleet sequoia]

im tryna see if the holy retaliate skill is worth investing into lol

oh fr? like all the stats and all?

[odd gate]

probably wednesday

[brave sigil]

yeahh im just not as interested in specific skills as I am mechanics like whether the build uses charges, temp buffs, block/dodge/suppress, what type of defense, etc.

[fleet sequoia]

cus ik theres some rn

bet cool

[prime tree]

they release the 20/20 stats

[fleet sequoia]

rn its only like the changed ones right

[brave sigil]

wait

it's just occured to me i havent used a bow character

[fleet sequoia]

bows are fun

usually made of paper tho

[prime tree]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3870620 this is how they usually do it. tho they are usually released ~1 day before launch.

[fleet sequoia]

ah feck

im not smart enough to pob it all in one night 😭

[prime tree]

atm all we have is what is said in the patch notes and the few bits and pieces they might have shown in the reveal

[fleet sequoia]

yea im down bad skimming down the content reveal trailer atm

[gleaming zodiac]

you're lucky, i'm not smart enough to pob at all 🙂

[fleet sequoia]

xD

[vague hemlock]

Just vibe the skill out, what could possibly go wrong?

[gleaming zodiac]

that's usually what i do lol that's why i always fallback on RF because my builds sucks 🤣

[fleet sequoia]

wellll i spent like a whole day on an ignite based off of divine blast

then i found it all my work was for nothing when i didnt read it had only 100% effectiveness, sad

[fiery socket]

is there a strat to farm catarina fast if i dont care about safehouses?

[fleet sequoia]

yea you just press right

dont worry about it

and then if max rank jail em, repeat

[gleaming zodiac]

take the node that give the 10 random intelligence for completing maps, take an easy map to reach boss, ignore lab mission and run map fast 😅

[fleet sequoia]

oh and dont banish specific ones

thats just for efficiency tho if u just want catarina its w/e

that too^

[prime tree]

that node is gone since... keepers?

[dusk tiger]

new tree out yet?

[prime tree]

replaced by execute gives rank*2 as int to the current division

[gleaming zodiac]

it's gone?! 😱 i didn't know it was still on idols in phrecia i've not spec in jun in normal keepers

[dusk tiger]

the new int for syndicate is kinda ass

[gleaming zodiac]

oh that sucks i loved that node 🙁

[prime tree]

it's very janky, because something internally bugs out and int gained that way fails to lock the safehouse in properly when it causes it to reach 100%. so sometimes a safehouse that would be ready immediately loses 10% int for seemingly no reason

[violet peak]

is poe down rn? i cant get in

[prime tree]

https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export not yet. it's 7:40am in nz

[dusk tiger]

i wanna see the new scion 🙁

if its good i might try a dex stacker

[gleaming zodiac]

it works for me?, game and website are up

[violet peak]

i get to char select and loading the town then this

worked yesterday

[dusk tiger]

dont they port now

isnt the league over

[devout osprey]

it ends tommorw iirc

[gleaming zodiac]

it can happens, try loading a different character

[devout osprey]

ofc "tommorw" depends on timezone

[alpine magnet]

more teasers today?

[gleaming zodiac]

you can also try changing your region you're logging in that should fix it

[alpine magnet]

reboot your router and PC

[prime tree]

reliquarian reveal was announced for today

[alpine magnet]

nice.

[violet peak]

changing character/server connection didnt fix

will try reboot later

Thanks for suggestions!

When does atlas tree get revealed?

[fleet sequoia]

oh

i guess i kind of figured it out, the unreleased holy shield retaliation skill is probably full phys

[alpine magnet]

do you have a 2nd account? try with that

[violet peak]

I dont have a seocnd account. Its ok for now

[prime tree]

could try and verify files (via steam or the packcheck.exe if you are on the standalone client)

[violet peak]

Good idea. Doing steam verify now

[thorny fiber]

oh damn Harvest works in mirages

[atomic sage]

So, economy wise... what would be the best first farm? Expedition or Heist? Maybe Delve?

[violet peak]

Delve

[frank gate]

A lot of things are silo'd this league. Heist is always a good choice for early league. But generally falls off for non-jackpot profits later leagues.

But for long term, Delve is probably going to retain non-jackpot profits longer term than Heist will. Expedition is so-so, depending on how the revamped genesis tree works out, the tree could make it's utility in item crafting and currency generating outmoded/powercrept.

[amber agate]

do you guys think bleed bow is good ? I'm thinking it slightly better than before with extra 7 link.
also I'm not focus on bossing, mostly mapping (legion, new breach, any content with a lot of mobs)
anyone has play it before can you guys recommend it ? thanks

[stable vector]

I mean, they have it.. along with Mark. This is best case scenario. Not sure what else you want? Lol

[hot quail]

Yes, it does

[hot quail]

I think harvest might be better sortof this league, if the new juice is good

But then no horned scarab that we know of

[frank gate]

Harvest is always slept on. Harvest and delve are consistent profit makers, as opposed to jackpot profit makers. Even if you only get say, 2000 juice out of a single crop rotation, that's still 20c added onto the map. For a scarab that typically runs around 10c or can be self farmed easily.

That assuming lack of a horned scarab.

Really speculation about the economy is going to need to wait for release to actually see how it tests out. I think it'll be a lot healthier than the last couple leagues. But some notable scarabs they added, make me real curious to see how item rarities and so on will shake out.

Things like Descending. Corpses, the changes to Neuroses, selectiveness, and the general increase to the juice from base scarabs.

[grand fossil]

bleed bow requires 2 fully supported setups of skills, even for mapping
split arrow for clear (blue/white mobs), and snipe/puncture for single targets (uniques and fat rares)
it was ok build to get to T16s and farm some lightly juiced content, but rather not for more without very heavy investments, which I'm not so sure there are worth it
so as a league starter bearable, but rather not a finisher at all

[halcyon plaza]

What are you guys gonna leaguestart with and why?

[pine topaz]

Minions and I'm lazy and dont need to be fast

[thorny fiber]

RF bro staying RF

[frank gate]

Probably gonna be trying Cardboard Bastards Dominating Blow Necromancer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTeScTwOCIM

Either that or starting with any marauder start I see that strikes my fancy, and then going MSOZ or HSOT following Conners guide.

[thorny fiber]

in the interview running right now, one dev said something like "ele hit will be busted in 3.28, we'll work to fix it in 3.29 - hf with it in mirage"
I love GGG for stuff like this lol

[chilly depot]

holy sweep or hammers, not sure if templar or jugg though

tbf waiting on the reliqurian info before really choosing

thats some scary timing

[halcyon plaza]

when is that info coming?

[chilly depot]

now lol

[halcyon plaza]

oh..

[bronze mantle]

LOL

straight up

flicker league

[frank gate]

That was kinda terrifying yeah.

More than that...

Astral projector means fusilade totems are gonna go wild.

[frank adder]

Haha I was like mines fusillade what?

[frank gate]

Sorry.

[frank adder]

That’s gonna be nice though with astral

[frank gate]

Yeah.

There's a few really good synergies in there.

[bronze mantle]

100% faster debuff expiry is also goated

madness is gonna go crazy well

[prime tree]

how so?

[upper dragon]

question about the tear of purity node. i always mix it up but the "increased reservation efficiency" does that lower the amount of mana reserved or increases. my brain always forgets

[devout osprey]

lower

[frank gate]

I may have screwed up my memory on builds hang on.

[upper dragon]

👍

[devout osprey]

it becomes 25% instead of 50% from that node alone

[frank gate]

Been watching build guides all day.

[stoic jetty]

Some absurd str stacking flicker striking reliquarian looks tasty

[chilly depot]

looks like tears early into astra late game

[lost lagoon]

pyroclast mine Reliquarian is going to be nutty

[frank gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45lRuIcNolk Yeah I fucked up the build. WCOT miner. Not Fusilade Totems.

Flicker strike Reliquarian looks ridiculous yeah.

Pyroclast Miner Reliq looks ridiculous too.

[lost lagoon]

free astral with no AOE downside, plus that aura one = massive aoe

[frank gate]

Yup.

[chilly depot]

verusos gonna be great for leveling

[dusty cove]

flickder reliq with brassdome has potential

[upper dragon]

mystic refractor, would that make things like kinetic blast act like it hits a wall or will it just fizzle after hitting

[chilly depot]

should be fizzle

sorry should bonce targets i belive is actual enemies not walls

[upper dragon]

has it been confirmed that you can get multiple ascendancy nodes from each section? like as someone said flicker league, kitava's feast and terminus est at the same time

[alpine magnet]

can you stack this wih the normal brass dome armour?

[devout osprey]

ye

[chilly depot]

its one per

est early until solve charge gen then feast

[vernal stream]

anyone know if we can stack the new scion acendencies with the actual unique gear pieces

[devout osprey]

ye

it doesnt say u cant, so assume yes

[pine topaz]

#1┃mirage-league message

[upper dragon]

so glad the tree is going core, even if it won't show up much till maps so not that helpful for campaign, its making me tempted to go back to SSF after the item exchange was added tempted me to go to trade

[vale geode]

berserker still seems better imo

[upper dragon]

how nice it would be if you could mix-match regular scion with reliquarian.

[stoic jetty]

Hmm replica dreamfeather armornstack reliquairan

[oblique steeple]

such a junk ascendancy

[ornate plinth]

BUSTIN HOFFMAN

[vague hemlock]

Just keep in mind that you can't get rare weapons/quivers from it anymore

[lost lagoon]

I got pyroclast mines to 2.9m AoE without trying

[rigid yarrow]

Anyone know which skill is being used here, one that was added or just a old one ?

[vague hemlock]

Think it's freezing pulse

[wide scroll]

mirage, might aswell call it elehit

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1ri70ok/ele_hit_league/

[rigid yarrow]

Looks the same. But the design maybe MTX is different.

[vague hemlock]

If you're basing that off the wiki, I think the wiki might be outdated. You could always check in-game, since it's a lv1 gem

*In that it requires lv1

[tender geyser]

I missed half the interview did they say anything about holy strike?

[chilly depot]

anyone got a link to lvl 20 versions of the new skills?

[harsh bone]

GGG does

[tender geyser]

there are only 3 ones one the /mirage page

[vague hemlock]

apparently it had to be nerfed 4x (the one we have is the post-nerf version)

[tender geyser]

fuck me

welp, absolution it is huh

[harsh bone]

It's not like it got nerfed to be unplayable. It was too good compared to everything else

This information should not even be considered. It was "Nerfed" by 4x because it was in the testing phase which no one should consider as the final version

[vague hemlock]

I might have been a bit misleading. We have never seen the pre-nerf version

[tender geyser]

welp I'm gonna wait for 20/20 gems before going completly doomer

[harsh bone]

That's good, and we shouldn't even know that it was changed by 4x. It's just what the skill went through because Andrew mistakenly had the wrong numbers when he first released it for playtesting

I just enjoy that they could share stuff like this even though we shouldn't know

[haughty oracle]

did they release all imbued skill gems descriptions ?

[sonic field]

no

today we got reliquarian

[pastel void]

Kinda annoying that scion gets nothing for the first ascendency

[hasty perch]

Yeah but ascendancy 2 you click brass dome and you are an unstoppable force

[pastel void]

But speed 😭

[hasty perch]

(or veruso if you want movespeed for campain)

[pastel void]

Hmmm decisions

[hasty perch]

I might grab victario on pyroclast mines and respec to dome later

Would need to put pyroclast in helm or +5 boots tho

Im not 6 off coloring a brass dome

[surreal helm]

I didn’t miss anything in the patch notes, right? There aren’t any changes to ancient wombgifts and foulborn unique drop rates? (Except us getting fewer points for the tree and some foulborns nerfed)

[pastel void]

correcty

Just rares got hit

[surreal helm]

Shame. I used that part of the tree to get free ilvl 86 armour bases

Very easy since you can control for attribute requirements

[pastel void]

prob get the ilvls still but the mods are nerfed and links

[surreal helm]

No, they said there are fewer ilvl increasing nodes

Wonder if it’ll be completely gutted for ilvl

[pastel void]

o I didnt see that

prob lvl 83 then

[lavish badger]

the currency to drop the equipment might be dirt cheap. could still have a few used

[waxen pecan]

I'm a little confused on the Scion Reliqurian ascendancy point allocation. Can I take two from the same item class?

[devout osprey]

1 thing from each "flower"

[pastel void]

nope it sucks 🙁

[waxen pecan]

caster weapon wheel for melee builds pog

literally just an ascendancy with 3 points

if you're melee

[high fossil]

And the same in reverse, terminus just says "on crit", not melee crit

[waxen pecan]

casters have an option on the melee wheel, melee no option on caster wheel 😄

[pastel void]

huh that is fair spell frenzy

[vague hemlock]

Wonder if tree will still be good for fractured bases
Or if they gutted/removed that

[frank gate]

So I have a weird question...

From the looks of it... You get literally nothing for first ascendancy on Reliquarian?

[pastel void]

yup

passive points

[frank gate]

Definitely a late bloomer.

[waxen pecan]

ohhh so melee builds won't be forced to grab from the caster weapon circle, you just get two passive points instead xdd

[frank gate]

It's a binary choice.

You choose one side of the circle or the other.

[waxen pecan]

yeah and I didn't realize the first two points were poof

I thought we had to go into caster regardless if its one selection per circle

[frank gate]

Melee is the bottom cluster, points 5-6, and spell node is the top cluster, points 5-6 for blank and major. Then you get 7-8 for the utility relic and blank to get there

If I understand it right at least... This is your leveling path essentially.

Which really makes this achivement funny.

[agile hemlock]

Yea

[vague hemlock]

Took me longer than I'd care to admit to get that achievement
Izaro whooped my butt the first few times I fought him

*on uber lab

[merry anchor]

hes easy. just literally run circles around him while attacking. hes dumb and attacks where you were not where your going

[vague hemlock]

Lot easier when the ground isn't covered in traps though

[merry anchor]

eh shouldnt matter. just dont stand still

[pastel void]

looks right

also you do get forbiden flames for ascendant

[scenic shoal]

yes there's ff/ff for ascendant nodes (but not for reliquarian nodes)

[pastel void]

yup

[young knoll]

Is the new atlas passive tree out yet?

[merry anchor]

poeplanner isnt updated yet. not sure if its been put somewhere else

[scenic shoal]

and if you've got some spare mirrors there's the crazy good scion unique ff/ff lol

[merry anchor]

well the new scion ascendancy nodes cant be ff/ff

but the old ascendant ones can

[scenic shoal]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Unleashed_Potential

[golden orbit]

Wait, is that legit?

[frank gate]

Yup, it's multi mirror usually.

[scenic shoal]

Yeah every class has a unique FF/FF, most are really good

[frank gate]

Fatal Flourish, my beloved.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Fatal_Flourish

[golden orbit]

Dude what? Does poewiki show the list of hidden notables or do i need to find it?

[frank gate]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Forbidden_Flesh

[sonic field]

pob has them behind each cluster of ascendacies

[cinder flare]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Forbidden_Flesh#Hidden_Ascendancy_Notable_variant

here's a list on the wiki

[golden orbit]

WOW Indomitable Resolve is crazy

[frank gate]

Indomitable Resolve is in fact very good.

10% damage traded for 25% flat tankiness.

[tame iris]

usually around the mirror range for the set^^

[frank gate]

Yep.

[young knoll]

I didn't play last league but when did they add "ctrl right click to put items for last listed". Does this mean what I last listed or by whatever the player market last listed was?

[tame iris]

by what you last listed any item for

And it was added as part of async

so if you list a map for 5c and then ctrl right click a mageblood itll list that mageblood for 5c (you just use it to bulk the same item tho lol)

[hollow osprey]

Technically this patch did

Slap Melee Splash Imbue into your favourite strike skill

[south remnant]

If only scion could access every ff/ff set

or at least ascendant

[vernal chasm]

is the reliquarian replacing ascendant, or is it gonna be added and they keep ascendant?

[frank gate]

Added keeping Ascendant.

[vapid topaz]

added

[vernal chasm]

alright ty

[vapid topaz]

is it possible to compensate for loosing this if i use reliquarian ascendancy?(relic of the pact build)

[quiet torrent]

The new league is coming guys .. how much you like it ..
and which build you prefer for the league starts..
And pls share your experience with us about which strategy is good for early currency farm with weak build
And how to improve the build.. your tips will be helpful as a poe player thanks🙏

[iron flicker]

looks like a juicer league dont like how they killed grueling ulti tho

[tepid mist]

Mirages could make ulti juicier though won’t know til we see also fracturing orb inscribed ultimatums will be a nice bonus

[iron flicker]

true but mirage might not go core after league ends an if the cant block stays then its cooked

[lavish badger]

sabo flames are like 20c

[languid hound]

what build yall gonna go for

[scenic shoal]

looks like a totem league and I haven't done totems before, also haven't finished campaign on Templar before (played plenty but none of my builds have needed the 100% more neck bonus)

so a good chance to check both of those off the list!

[pseudo hull]

so are they like nerfing lioneye's glare

with the two new mods they put on it

because it seems better than a mirror bow otherwise for some builds

[high fossil]

All the changes to the item are in the patch notes

This is what's known as a Massive Fucking Buff

[pseudo hull]

so it's going to have

[inland crescent]

are t16.5 maps gone too? It sounded like palsteron said they were in a video

[pseudo hull]

hits can't be evaded, 500 phys dmg, 50% more attack speed, attack skills repeat, far shot

doesn't that seem kind of unreasonable

better than mirror bow

[high fossil]

Well it's already a really rare drop. Might as well actually get people to play with it, i guess. If it's wildly OP it might catch a mid-league nerf, but it'll probably just be hugely expensive and left at that

[pseudo hull]

storm rain with that will max out projectiles and beams without using ballistas

go warden and get instant 50 shocks

just crazy

[young knoll]

Scouting and kirac nodes will be removed from atlas tree right?

[merry anchor]

correct

unless they make kiracs wheel just do something else cause reports are gone

[frank gate]

Sh--- Should I go for Oni-Goroshi this league? I've never done it before?

[high fossil]

If by "go for" you mean "buy in trade or via div cards", then sure. Otherwise... It's a hell of a grind and i can't in good conscience advise that kind of self-harm

Farming one yourself used to be really, really rough. Then they extended it.

[frank gate]

Wait they extended it?

[high fossil]

From when it was first made available on Hillock, yeah. I forget the exact numbers, but they raised the minimum level for it to appear and reduced the spawn rate

[frank gate]

Ah.

[high fossil]

If you have nothing to do for a few days, and need to get RSI for insurance purposes, then maybe?

Otherwise just get the cards.

[frank gate]

Are they cheap?

[high fossil]

Not especially, from what i can see

There's a low trade volume on them that makes my lazy checking of ninja a bit difficult

[plush coyote]

class variety has ended for me

it is only reliquarian from now on

[high fossil]

That's the most variable class though, brand new every league

[patent spade]

I did this after they changed the rates, I spent around 30 to 40 hours mind numbingly going through the beach with multiple characters, deleting them after they hit level 9, and starting over. I wouldn't do it again. But it was a good experience.
If you have that kind of time and only care about trying the weapon out, you are much better off just setting a buy order for the cards or getting the currency for the weapon straight up.
Unless you just want to experience it yourself. Then it's totally worth the gauntlet.
Don't let optimization get in the way of fun and prive yourself from the experience.

[high fossil]

Yeah, i think it was like 10 hours when i did it, rotating 3 chars and didn't have to delete them. That was bad enough. Congrats on making it through that sufferfest.

[hollow topaz]

do we know release date yet

[high fossil]

Yes, we know the release time down to the second. There is a big countdown on pathofexile.com
Roughly 4.5 days at this point

[hollow topaz]

ah so we dont know yet, probably cant get off work with only 4 days xd

[noble stirrup]

yo guys when is the jung roan interview set to happen?

[hollow osprey]

GGG pls I need my Holy Strike numbers

Release the Holy files

[inland crescent]

What do you guys think will be good to league start if I ultimately want to do big bomb expeditions?

[bright arch]

just anything with corpse explosions, so an occultist prolly

[hasty perch]

Mamba

[clever saddle]

what will be gud builds next league? i like melee if thats ever good

[odd gate]

slams are still good, elehit slayer or something, shield crush or divine blast maybe

[pine topaz]

Ele Hit still good after the Nerf?

[silent heart]

Just not broken

[pastel void]

golden rule gem?

why that qwith term hmm

[odd gate]

it isn't nerfed, it just isn't obviously the skill of the league

[pastel void]

O you get to zoom damn

[sonic field]

maw of conquest as 1st node

unaffected by poison

[pastel void]

O right damn thats some insane movement

eff of chill reversed for winterweave and ice orbit or whatever is poison chance and chill on poison and goldenrule is you poison yourself

eh its not that insane is it base chills not that huge of a movement hit

depends if its a huge chill though unsure

[snow marten]

I am curious what are yall planning on starting?

[pastel void]

Eh seems like a needless amount of tech for some movement speed

I was thinking holy flame totems but unsure

[snow marten]

Totems look to be quite strong

[pastel void]

Should be yeah but I rarely play templar

[snow marten]

I can't say I've played totems before or not recently atleast so idk how it'll be

[pale rapids]

Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't the Reliquarian weapon nodes really bad for elemental non-projectile spells? At first glance the only decent ones are Terminus Est and Cybil's Paw.

[pastel void]

Yeah not quite seeing the vision you can get some extra movespeed but its flicker so you dont really need it

Saw some early acts with holy flame totem and it melts bosses fairly well when the tree is speced right

yes Ekiath

[snow marten]

It does look pretty good right now. I'll probably just do minions as its pretty much untouched my changes or flicker

[pastel void]

Ive never done a flicker league start and saw it through to maps I think

dying too much really really irks me

[snow marten]

Yea its not that tanky with low phys maxhit, till later game. And then its usually slayer with endurance changes and leech or glad block

[pale rapids]

That's a shame. On one hand, I really wanted to try Reliquarian. On the other hand, I also really wanted to play Crackling Lance this league. Hmm... I suppose I'll have to wait in case they change anything or reveal some exceptional support that changes things.

Also is it me or does the Reliquarian seem to push towards armour and life and against energy shield?

[pastel void]

Kinda seems that way with the shield and brass dome

But well you dont have to take those

[pale rapids]

Yeah, but for example the more caster-oriented Maw of Conquest, Cybil's Paw, The Burden of Shadows and The Burden of Truth are all based on Life and don't work with Chaos Inoculation, and they scale with Life anyway.

[pastel void]

also true

I dont see reliquarian being particularly strong this league unless theres a really strong combo but not seeing one yet.

Other ascendencys are stronger by far I believe

[pale rapids]

I was really excited to use the Brass Dome node, then they revealed the no ES line... RIP Aegis Aurora.

[lavish badger]

its op op

[young knoll]

so theres no point planning my atlas right now because update isnt out yet right?

[vapid topaz]

what's that?

[proper pendant]

Have you guys decided what to play next league ?

[verbal oyster]

Is ground slam of earthshaking still good in 3.28?

[hasty perch]

a bit worse with overexert nerf

should be the same damage if you get an imbued gem

[snow marten]

The plan is maybe srs popcorn to start

[odd gate]

yeah still good

[proper pendant]

Can anyone suggest me a good build for delve that is cheap enough where you don;t have to spend 50 divs to be good ?

Like a league starter that is good in delve

[hasty perch]

glad herald of agony

[sacred snow]

which streamer's tierlist is usually spot on when it comes to specs?

[hasty perch]

they're all wrong just different levels of wrong

[sacred snow]

which is the least wrong then

[amber agate]

with the kill to elemental hit recently, it is still strong right ? maybe I will play the Trinity version, how do you guys think ? thanks

[junior briar]

Ele hit was strong before

Itll still be strong

The bloodline was simply going to be more power than it already had

[sacred snow]

I need to figure out what to play that is lowkey immortal and also strong 🤠

[amber agate]

thank you

[pseudo comet]

Hi 🙂 is there already a dualist slayer holy hammer league starter idea somewhere to find?

[sonic field]

would you like some fries with your order as well sir?

[junior briar]

You could probably use carn’s old slam guides and make tweaks for hammers

[sacred snow]

yes please, sweet potatos!

[iron cedar]

anyone got some league starters?

[sacred snow]

also hrec necro was lowkey this last season

I barely died

[sonic field]

you can do that again

[sacred snow]

compared to LA

this will be my second league, would be nice to try out other stuff

[sonic field]

everything is almost immortal compared to la

[sacred snow]

why can you use emotes and I cant

[sonic field]

huh

[sacred snow]

oh nvm this is from within this discord

[sonic field]

you should be able to use server emotes

[sacred snow]

yeye

[sonic field]

kf ballista seems like will be the meta starter

[sacred snow]

kf?

[sonic field]

kentucky fried kinetic fusillade

[sacred snow]

I did not become smarter

🤠

[sonic field]

you place sticks

sticks do pew pew

profit

[sacred snow]

yeah I know ballistas, used them on my LA during leveling

just what'll you transition into from that

or you use starters, then buy leveling gear and start another char with your desired endgame build?

[sonic field]

generally when i talk about starter its the build thats swapped into from something else if necessary

[sacred snow]

for me starters meant leveling/early mostly

I went close to LA endgame gear but it was so painfully dog I just ended up swapping

there is something on the lines of flicker that people played last season and was called dumb strong

[sonic field]

i think kf totems have their swap mid campaign

but before that you have to do something else depending which class you pick

as there are few versions of that build

[vague moon]

what all totem setups gonna buss?

[solar ore]

The past few leagues/events I've started Smite Slayer, Reap Mines and LA Oshabi. Looking for a starter for this league that I can transition to an end game build (any stacker really) (no leveling an alt). What are some good options/what are their downsides?

[snow marten]

Stacker and leaguestart are two very interesting combinations.

Pick a starter that scales in the same ascendancy base. Like ranger, marauder. And then later swap to another ascendancy or reroll the character.

[proper pendant]

Guys , when they revealed the leage they kept using this build , what is it ? I want to look for a guide on it and see more details about it

[high fossil]

That is Shock Nova of Procession, the new transfigured version of shock nova

We know literally nothing about it (except that it looks cool as hell) until the new gem data is released

So no guides yet

[proper pendant]

Thank you for the info , I spent my last 2 hours looking for League start frendly Delve builds that are not slams , I have not decided on anything yet...

[frail rapids]

Frost blades ftw

@proper pendant

[proper pendant]

I will look at it ty

[ashen storm]

Are we getting all the gem data before launch

Especially for exceptional supports

[sonic field]

they usually do share yes

im not 100% certain on exceptionals but the others should definetly

[ashen storm]

Cuz in the content reveal they said theyll tease some til launch

But i wanna see it all

[full eagle]

do we know what mirage does to legion?

[gleaming zodiac]

duplicate it and factions are different than the one from the map 🤔 maybe a new faction?! 😱

[vague hemlock]

Wouldn't be surprised if there's a 6th afarud faction with splinters and whatnot. Could have a 6 way now

[lunar stirrup]

Does mirage copy map bosses too?

[prime tree]

they said the fully miraged maps drop from map bosses in mirages, so, I'd assume so