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[limpid basin]

who snitched

lol, they really just went and did that

[cunning fern]

[full raptor]

hello. does anyone have any idea if there are pobs or build guides for sabo reap mines? i've seen some on youtube but they are like 3.19/3.20

thanks!

[odd gate]

there are exsang mine guides, can probably swap exsang for reap and be good

[full raptor]

oh. would this one from crouching tuna before be good enough then? https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/exsanguinate-miner-trickster-league-starter

[odd gate]

yeah that looks good to me

[full raptor]

awesome thanks! it'll be my first time doing reap. would the support gems for exsang more or less work with reap?

my plan is doing sabo instead of trickster for mine nodes

[solid oak]

You guys think I'll be fine playing soulrend/bane just to farm currency for another build or is it best to choose an actual meta league starter? coz ik its more of a bossing league so idk lol

[balmy moss]

I'm not feeling managirl anymore bois

golems sound exciting, but I'm just leaning toward hierophant archmage now

I can't think of anything I could do on elementalist that would compare

[strange loom]

I had intrusive thoughts about trying an Arc spell trap Sabo as league starter. Not sure how viable it is to farm some early currency for an Elementalist

Was playing an non-archmage Arc Elementalist in Settlers.
It was fun for early mapping, but in the end ... was currency farmer to later do an Cobralash Trickster

[faint ravine]

Source?

Not that I don't believe you, just wanna know where 😄

NVM found it, end of patchnotes

[faint ravine]

Think of it positively, golem Ele stuff will be hella expensive early on because it's the new shiny, while archmage stuff will likely be significantly cheaper

[balmy moss]

😉

[faint ravine]

If you enjoy playing blue evangelical giraffe, honestly go for it

[balmy moss]

Promote Golem
Play Hiero

[faint ravine]

Primordial eminence are gonna go to the fucking moon instantly 😭

[timid garnet]

Frost Blades
Lancing Steel
Lightning Strike
Shattering Steel
Splitting Steel

Arc
Kinetic Blade
Kinetic Blast

for CI Trickster

Out of the skills mentioned which would be the best and budget friendly while having very good endgame scaling options in 3.26 after nerfs

[faint ravine]

Kb mines should be just fine tbh, though it never scaled amazingly, but you can always respecc.

Late game LS or msoz ee is probably the best top end despite the nerfs

Arc mines should also be fiiiiine.

Just don't try to selfcast arc lol

[void kindle]

fyi PS locus will probably still be great for league starting (obviously don't go CI early) even post-nerf

[dreamy light]

Is Toxic rain best played through ballista's or self-shot?

[odd gate]

ballistas so you can ca if you want, but if you don't like the double delay, self attack is fine

[sonic field]

for general gameplay ballista most likely better but for heist id say self shot

[timid garnet]

I don't like playing mines so I guess I will have to league start with something and then transfer to LS

[dawn iron]

Which content creator's build guide isnt bait?

For the meta builds i mean.

[sonic field]

check spicyaushi's build list googledoc

he checks builds on stream taking pob and guide links from reputable creators

and also specifies if newbie friendly etc

[dawn iron]

Ok. Thank you , exactly what i need

[outer sun]

KBoC is still strong, only lost a tiny bit from returning proj nerf

Although I'd run hybrid instead of CI on that

[timid garnet]

Is it stronger than ls post nerfs??

[outer sun]

LS was barely nerfed, really

[timid garnet]

oh then good I will just play ls I really like that skill

but what do I league start with ??

[outer sun]

PS mines are still good 🤷

while nerfed they still outperform massively

[reef pasture]

Was sanctum nerfed in 3.26?

[sharp forum]

better question is , where are the nerf patchnotes for sanctum that we were promised today

[reef pasture]

Ah crap

[violet nymph]

The Shaper of Storms have still 100% chance to shock ? or their deletete it ? ^^

[sterile atlas]

That part wasn't changed

[twilit wyvern]

I'm torn between starting BAMA or PF PConc of Bouncing.
What kind of content is each build best suited for?

[faint ravine]

Pconc is a mapper for sure. Bama is much more of an allrounder

[thorny pond]

Nooo I was so looking forward to playing a Cold Elementalist

[green oracle]

Since all PPL are already Posting builds i thought ggg IS still releasing the new passive tree or are they Not changing anything inside the tree besides the already posted changes for ascendancies?

[rose dragon]

Some tree changes are incoming, current pobs are hopium that tree changes won't impact them

[green oracle]

Sounds rly stupid to make a build when U dont know what IS changing ngl

[rose dragon]

Well informed guesses aren't totally useless

[thick rock]

does anyone have a good leveling filter for econc slayer

[thick rock]

its worse to wait to refine your build just because of minor changes when GGG didnt even give an eta on when those changes will be published

[green oracle]

I mean IS IT only minor changes

[thick rock]

yes theyre just adding some cold damage and caster wheels

they might or might not be included in existing builds but its highly unlikely to be a total game changer

should be easy enough to just update pobs based on the changes if needed

[green oracle]

Nah i wait If they Post IT 2 late then i Just Play RF

[thick rock]

thatll rlly suck if you get stuck playing RF

horrid skill and they nerfed the single target dps lol

[green oracle]

RF IS fine can Always Transition into Something Else later

[thick rock]

its also kind of impossible to make a build based exclusively on patch notes anyway unless its changes to the tree/ascendancies

[green oracle]

Im Not playing any Meta builds thats Like 0 fun

[thick rock]

like u never know how rare stuff thats showcased willa actually end up being

like if you want to start a poison srs build its kind of a gamble whether or not the glove mod is going to be easily attainable or not

poison srs is still a solid build based on existing stuff in the game

[green oracle]

No Minions in my House

[thick rock]

but that glove mod can just nearly double the builds damage if its not too rare

[green oracle]

Minion builds are Just bait Not falling for that Kind of Shit again

[frozen belfry]

how many concurrent mercenaries can I summon?

[magic osprey]

wait so let me get this right, secrets of the atlas stuff is all in core? and the actual league mechanics are mercenaries?

[merry anchor]

yes

[magic osprey]

interesting

[merry anchor]

Only one Mercenary can accompany you at a time, but you can have up to three total in your service

[hidden cave]

I'm still undecided on what to league start guys. VFoS or BAMA? Both would be new to me so bonus points for good guides out there for either

[brave sigil]

i don't know what build to do i wanna do poison but minions is weird, assassin has no defenses, and i cant do occultist because my friend is doing occultist i guess I'm going poison cyclone champion 😭

[ocean remnant]

Kinda like the followers in d3 then?

[brave sigil]

yeah except hopefully they do more damage

[merry anchor]

feels more like straight ripped from d2

[ocean remnant]

Build randomiser gave me divine ire scion for this league

Never played d2 sadly

[brave sigil]

i did divine ire last league so i'm kinda salty it got giga buffed right after

[ocean remnant]

I did randomiser before patch notes so the buff was nice to see

[brave sigil]

i kinda want to play a scion, thats the only base class i havent tried yet

but it seems kinda bad idk

i dont like the ascendancy options a whole lot

also idk if they're even up to date with all the ascendancy changes

[ocean remnant]

Randomiser loves giving me scion, got kinetic blades scion last time too

[strong nebula]

kinda new, why is braserker so much better than champion for a volcanic fissure of snaking build, if champion got giga buffed defensively

[restive trellis]

warcries, and also champion is maybe better lategame, the issue is that celestial brace is so big for new champ

zerker is better on league start, especially since it uses kaom's primacy so well

[sonic field]

warcry node and feels smoother with more attack speed

and can steal the jugg node for endgame str stack build

[brave sigil]

would poison blade vortex be okay for ssf leaguestart?

most of the builds I see have a bunch of uniques so i wasnt sure. Seems hard to scale its damage too

[wanton flower]

Wait, is it confirmed if mercenaries join in other peoples maps? so 6 players = 6 mercs?

[supple jay]

Yep

[wanton flower]

Do they show that in the reveal?

if it is im almost certainly aurabotting

[balmy moss]

worb totems

[fleet timber]

Being able to cycle through 3 of them on a whim will be nice for that - party play is about to get quite juicy

[balmy moss]

I want haste and curse on hit ring on my merc 😉

[gleaming zodiac]

they said it in the Q&A, also they count as .5 for loot/difficulty increase so if you play 6player 6merc you get a 9 player bonus for the loot/difficulty

[supple jay]

They did say the scaling has been changed though, so who knows what 6 player 6 merc will realy be compaird to 6 player now

[wanton flower]

are minion aurabot builds completely dead?

[devout valve]

Do the new pinnacle bosses also have uber variants or do we know?

[supple jay]

Not yet. Will later on

[magic osprey]

gah i wanna get my hands on the pob

and also maybe the new atlas tree

[drifting sun]

Is there a cheat sheet to mercenaries? Specifically:

1. What are all of the different mercenary archetypes?
2. Is there an easy way to tell if a mercenary has any special gems or items? (e.g. "of trathus" or "infamous" mods). Also, do we know what are the good mods?

Right now, it seems really painful to check every mercenary for skills and/or loot.

[gleaming zodiac]

skills are written as text 🤔 , you don't have to hover them

[drifting sun]

Only the skills, not the gems, so you don't know if the support gems are special

[gleaming zodiac]

and special support are golden afaik

[tawny ore]

It is worth forcing a ag into a non minion build just to stuck more buffs and merc to have a friend?

[gleaming zodiac]

it looks fine to me, in a glance you should able to determine if that mercenary is good or not for you and you can then look at support afterwards if you are looking for something very specific 🤷‍♂️

[outer sun]

You need at least a 3-link and use a Shaper Shield. If your build doesn't have a source of shock then you can have double curse+base shock

You won't feel good with a Kingmaker AG on a non-minion build

AG have a very high base life level so the gear you can put on them is likely to be quite different from what you gonna put on Mercs I think

[tawny ore]

Will some effects stack between them?

[outer sun]

You need to be specific since some stuff stacks and some don't

Like the Tyrant helmet - different damage types stack but -res doesn't

[tawny ore]

Uniques items I got my answer just now

[drifting sun]

Wonder how rare aura skills will be on mercenaries? And is it possible for a mercenary to have 2 auras?

[slow pond]

looks like 1 aura only, at least they've only showed 1 aura mercs

[gleaming zodiac]

they seemed to be pretty common 🤔 , not sure for 2 aura but it kinda makes sense if they almost all have at least 1 aura

[outer sun]

bruh

Could at least check the page

[gleaming zodiac]

right i forgot about that one 🤣

[drifting sun]

Do we know which map gives the Non-Channelling Skills mana cost craft?

[silver rover]

Maybe the crafting bench will tell us day 1

[sonic stirrup]

Bro is living in the future

[drifting sun]

I saw that the trigger craft was already found to be in Act 9 refinery, so wasn't sure if all of the craft locations were known

[sonic stirrup]

They are literally in the future

You are asking about the future

[gleaming zodiac]

i just hope the chaos res craft will be in early maps 😱

[sonic field]

ay yo, this will leave me space for some other auras on my champ prob flesh and stone and precision

damn this mechanic will be juicy

[outer sun]

I'm only concerned about their marks overwriting mine

[sonic field]

and haste is juicy as well

[sonic field]

they should be like minions i suppose

in that matter

[outer sun]

AG overwrite your curses if you put curse on it

[sonic field]

just slap deodre ring on merc if it will overwrite (i'd do that even if it doesnt and add a curse on hit gloves/ring)

[sonic field]

afaik the trigger craft in refinery is not that new, but idk

ah its "new" aka 10 month old

added in settlers

[odd gate]

it'll probably be yellows

[gleaming zodiac]

i just hope it's not in some random unique map tbf 🤣

[sonic stirrup]

Probably won't be

If any things are added to them, it'll be the more interesting ones than just plain res

[balmy moss]

worb totem worb totem

[random juniper]

Opinion on jung roan starter=

[sonic field]

works if you have spaghetti fingers and are an ex league pro

(yes jung used to be in league pro play)

[balmy moss]

you like world of warcraft?

[kindred shoal]

Thoughts on funner build, holy relic or bama?

[random juniper]

Its not tooo bad i think, adrenaline only for bosses, desecrate too pretty much. Punishment too. For mapping just reave and shieldcharge should be fine

[torpid turtle]

Do we have any idea how many of the trathan (whatever they are called) skill gems there are going to be next league?

[sonic field]

no

[drifting sun]

I'm also trying to decide between holy relic and BAMA. Here is what I've gathered:

• Holy relic: easier to play, better clear, requires two transfigured gems, need to use lancing steel of spraying to attack
• BAMA: better single-target (boss) DPS, easier to gear (can vendor swap between two gems), harder to play - if you run too far without blinking, then your clones despawn

[random juniper]

I would guess 10

[viscid plank]

Where can i find starters for the new league need ideas!

[frank pike]

youtube

[frank pike]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1vPoXHbQ-4I7_7JEAHXfU76A8E-wy_hRsWiIrFhb_Av0/htmlview

this was made by some streamer

it has most of the popular stuff being done by various streamers/youtubers

[odd gate]

also poebuilds subreddit has a pinned thread with league starters

[viscid plank]

Oh you guys rock!

[kindred shoal]

Thanks! Also what do you mean vendor swap between gems

[sonic field]

vendor recipe

[frigid blaze]

in the patch notes it stated lightning strike projectiles was reduced 50% damage to hits and ailments. Is this 50% of total damage, or 50% on the gem's attack damage %

[sterile atlas]

50% of total (projectile) damage. It just has a new 50% less damage stat specific for its projectiles.

[limpid basin]

Is this 50% of total damage, or 50% on the gem's attack damage %

what is the difference

[high fossil]

Well LS has a damage effectiveness of 456% at level 20, so reducing that to 406% would be a much smaller nerf

[limpid basin]

oh a minus, yeah it's definetly not that

[candid plinth]

when does the new league start?

[pastel void]

13th

[high fossil]

There's events in this server with the launch time in your local time zone, or you can watch the giant countdown on the path of exile website

[frank pike]

in forever

i cant fucking wait

after the initial weekend i'll be busy studying for my last exam, which is sad, then i'll have a week of complete freedom to grind the hell out of the game, then work

so sad that the most pog league comes out when im gonna be busy

when these past 4months or so i've been super free

[high fossil]

Have you considered quitting your job and playing PoE from a laptop under a bridge?

If you can get a nice bridge i hear it's not so bad

[frank pike]

i mean i havent even started the job, i'm studying pharmacy and i'll be getting work practice by working in a pharmacy as an assistant

also

my pc is bad

i'll buy a better one with the money so i can actually play poe1

and not have to use cloud gaming

[high fossil]

Oh yeah, definitely don't quit your job until you've got the upgrades done

[strange loom]

I had intrusive thoughts about trying an Arc spell trap Sabo as league starter.
Not sure how viable it is to farm some early currency for an Elementalist Was playing an non-archmage Arc Elementalist in Settlers.
It was fun for early mapping, but in the end ... was currency farmer for my final char: a Cobralash Trickster. Really wanna try Traps tho. Not sure about mines.

[frank pike]

i've heard talks about arc mines, never traps so idk

and mines with automation- detonate are fine

[fallen anvil]

sorry if this is been asked a lot, but is kingsmarch content going to carry over to mercenary league?

like we gona be able to do the shipping and farming and such still

[deft girder]

Yes but no more building the town, it'll be already finished.

[gleaming zodiac]

they are account bound 😱 !! we'll be able to carry alts with them 🤣

[gleaming grove]

big brain aurabot merc alt carry service

ive decided im gonna use champ to farm up gear for a cyclone of tumult sabo

[tidal bobcat]

so are the mercs going to be purely rng with gear/skills/attributes or are there a handful of preset ones that can spawn?

[frank pike]

rng but kinda preset?

like they said 30 classes

[gleaming zodiac]

30ish archetype yeah

[frank pike]

but the gear and skills will be randomised slightly for the same class

[gleaming zodiac]

their skills/gear are probably not tied to their archetype they probably have assigned set of gems for that specific archetype yeah

[tidal bobcat]

so 30 merc builds with rng gear got it

[frank pike]

yea, like each class will have like 12 potential skills but only will get 5

[untold dragon]

The new faq says there are "infamous mercs" that can appear and are more common in maps with higher quantity

[frank pike]

ye infamous mercs will be the ones with the new skill gems i think

and just more powerfull in general

[untold dragon]

or the gold support gems

[frank pike]

we wont be able to get the gold support gems

but i think in the preview there were normal mercs with gold supports?

not sure

[untold dragon]

right, but if you have one without it, you want to recruit the one with it

if it helps you

[frank pike]

depends on what they do, but yea

[gleaming zodiac]

yeah the one shown was when he was using his attack skill it was fortifying nearby allies

[untold dragon]

I'm expecting some are insane.. especially if each of the ~30 have a different one.

[gritty basin]

So interestingly - those notes say that trigger skills don't work b/c there'd be no way to know what is supposed to be triggering/doing the trigger. But what if the equipment itself had gems socketed into it? Assuming, of course, that such a thing is possible - which it very well might not be

[high fossil]

Mercs don't get their skills from gems in their gear. You won't be able to give them skills by giving them gear with gems.

[gritty basin]

Has that been explicitly stated? I know in the video it showed the mercs having their own skills natively, and the gear unsocketed - but IMO that's not a guarantee that socketed gems wouldn't work

[frank pike]

yes, it has been stated

[gritty basin]

Ah, well that's disappointing. Totally reasonable - it'd be extremely broken if it wasn't that way - but I do enjoy some broken gameplay from time to time

Do ya'know if they happened to mention skills granted by gear? Like gear that grants Level X <skill>

[frank pike]

they wont be able to use that

but they did mention that gear that grants passive tree stuff will work

like keystones

and annoints on amulets

[gritty basin]

Oof. Support builds might actually turn out to be (nearly) meta then

[high fossil]

I wasn't mentioned explicitly in the FAQ, but i wouldn't hold out hope. The mercenaries get their skills inherently, not from their gear.

[gritty basin]

Yeah... I fully agree that being able to give them socketed gems would be broken af. Skills from gear feels a lot less broken to me

Mostly because of how limited it is - there's not that many skills you can get from gear at the same time

[frank pike]

that would probs mess with their AI if it worked

like they probably have preset patterns how they use their skills

and giving them new ones would mess that up

so most likely it wont work

[gritty basin]

Fair enough, that'd really come down to what skills it was. Like auras shouldn't break things, imo, but I'm not a programmer

[vale socket]

how many endu charges does a merc give? 3 + 3 from annoints + 2 weapon + 2 boots + 2 rings = 12???

48% global dr kek

[high fossil]

How are you planning to get your max charges that high?

[vale socket]

oh right.

back down to reality, lol

[frank pike]

there is an item that says nearby allies have maximum charges equal to yours

[gritty basin]

I wonder if there's going to be any way to turn off specific skills, or if you just have to find a different merc. I can see situations where certain auras or skills are problematic with builds, but the rest of the merc is good

[high fossil]

Oh, well that should work, yeah. 48% global dr here we come, baby

[vale socket]

wait ambu's charge does that

[frank pike]

now you just need a merc with enduring cry and give them conduit gloves too

[gritty basin]

Quick, delete those messages! Gotta farm the meta gear before everyone sees it 😛

[balmy moss]

I think you'll get a merc per instance, so even though turning off skills would be better qol, that will probably not be the case

[frank pike]

ppl have already figured it out

[vale socket]

what are conduit gloves?

[frank pike]

there is a pair of gloves with the conduit keystone

conduit says that you share your charges with allies

[vale socket]

oh, lochtonial carress yea

poggg

[gritty basin]

You're probably right, but if there's 30 archtypes and presumably it's an even spread... even if you can exile 5 types you're looking at 4 in 100 maps of finding the type of merc you want

And there's no guarantee that it's only one merc build per type

[balmy moss]

good, instead of getting bis merc during acts, you'll be able to upgrade it as often as your gear during progression

[nimble hedge]

4 in 100 is a weird way to say 1 in 25

[vale socket]

wait how do u get two from weapon again

[nimble hedge]

It will stay the level you got it

[gritty basin]

I know, but I was thinking in percentages and them's the words that fell off my fingers 😛

[frank pike]

yea even in the same type they have different skills, in the preview video we saw the same merc class twice but they had only like 3/5 of the same skills, the other 2 were different

[balmy moss]

good

[gritty basin]

I fully agree that I don't want to find the BIS merc in 10 maps and be done, but I also don't want to struggle through with an incompatible type b/c I'm unlucky - because the only way to change it is to roll a whole new merc

I can be optimistic, even if I'm prepared for the 'worst' (insofar as not the maximum QOL)

[vale socket]

i wonder if leadeship's price on merc is viable

[restive trellis]

I predict there's going to be 12 archetypes

[gritty basin]

I'm pretty sure they said 30 already

[restive trellis]

mercs apparently don't have stats so it should work

[gleaming zodiac]

yeah i've heard 30 somehwere too 🤔

[restive trellis]

30 will be turbo annoying if you can only exile 2

[nimble hedge]

If EVERY merc is useless except like 1/2 then thats a tuning issue on GGGs part or your build is so weird and niche its your fault

[gritty basin]

Which made sense to me - one for every ascendency plus one for the Ascendant (Scion) take you to 25

And I could easily see her getting 6 variants since she's sorta the meeting point for all 6 classes

[frank pike]

they do, but its kinda weird

[nimble hedge]

They have a "hidden" skill tree

[frank pike]

they mentioned in the video that there are around 30

[gleaming zodiac]

yeah i've not been able to find it when i searched for it yesterday 🤣

[gritty basin]

The first example that came to mind was that MF build that uses the frozen enemy thing for party play

Not exactly niche, but extremely specific on where damage can/can't come from

[nimble hedge]

Well a merc applying something like a mark or a curse is enough to be useful imo. In my case I will most likely want any merc running malevolence. You can also just put items on a merc and even if the skills are tank or dps based they are still useful

[frank pike]

in the interview with ziggyD

i think?

[vale socket]

is curse limit per character or per monster?

like baseline with no +1 curse cna you and your merc get 2 curses on a mob

[gritty basin]

I do agree that for most players, there's going to be a very broad range of options - just gonna have to wait and see how it works, I suppose

[gritty basin]

Per player, afaik - in party play I think you can stack curses/marks. Not 100% sure though

[nimble hedge]

They told us how mercs work though?

[high fossil]

Per player. Each time a curse is applied, any curses that don't fit in the curse limit of whatever does the applying get removed

[vale socket]

yea

so if u want a 2nd curse need to put doedre's ring or whatever on the merc huh

[frank pike]

a bunch of the classes we saw dont really fit into the ascendancies? like there was flamequiver, reanimator, thunderquiver, striker, stormhand, eruptor, winter deacon

[gritty basin]

Not saying they'd be tied to the exact ascendency name, more just like the skill sets and playstyle

[frank pike]

some of them yea, but some others are kinda random

like there isnt a class specific to wand attackers

and for bow characters, we saw 2 bow classes, flamequiver and tunderquiver

so its more like skill archetypes

like slams, bows, wand attacks, sword attacks

and elemental versions of those?

[gritty basin]

I don't pretend to know I'm right - just following gut instinct 🙂 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank pike]

yea

[gritty basin]

I will say that Betrayal is going to be CRAZY value this league

[lost quartz]

Can mercenaries use skills given by equipment?

[frank pike]

no (99% sure)

[lost quartz]

do you have a source

[gleaming zodiac]

they should be able to use triggered skill on equipement as long as it's not triggered by a gem slot

like the new starfall axe that cast starfall on crit

[frank pike]

like they said they wont be able to use triggered skils and socketed gem skills

[lost quartz]

but like, corrupted jewelry auras

[frank pike]

so i assume they wont be able to use skills from equipment

like they havent mentioned it, but they have stated that they have their own skills

so i assume they mean they can ONLY use their own skills

[gleaming zodiac]

they can't use anything that is related to equiped gem since gear doesn't have sockets

[lost quartz]

corrupted jewelry auras doesn't need sockets

[frank pike]

like

MAYBE

[gleaming zodiac]

yeah i think stuff on hit/crit, etc that has an ability on it would work imo

[frank pike]

but unlikely

[lost quartz]

they needa clarify this fr

[high fossil]

The vibe is that merc skills have nothing to do with their gear. There are some edge cases that haven't been confirmed or denied, but i've gotta assume they've kept it simple

[gritty basin]

Assuming that the "force rush one safehouse" thing doesn't get broken somehow. Putting... idk, probably the div cards (Gravicius?) and scarab (Cameria?) and just forcing that safehouse as fast and frequent as possible. I think it's possible to get close to a 1:1 rotation from map to safehouse

Like a 2:1 is worst-case, 1:1 is best case

[lost quartz]

how are you getting that much int per map for it

they've reduced the int + all the scaling options

[frank pike]

all max level dudes?

[gritty basin]

One sec, lemme grab the note

[lost quartz]

i was getting 35 intelligence per turn in phrecia with the scarab + idols

(and it was bugged over 32)

[gritty basin]

Okay so the scarab of intel was nerfed into the ground (changed to be a new mechanic). But

[lost quartz]

and they also reduced intelligence given baseline

[untold dragon]

I'm thinking Purity of Elements will just be hard to stop using later into the game. It was already great early, but now it's giving ailment immunity to your merc too. As soon as you don't have it, will feel bad.

[lost quartz]

this is only like, 6 intelligence max

[gritty basin]

New notable on the atlas tree gives int for their faction equal to 2x the current rank for executing. You can have 5 people in a faction, rank 3, so that's a possible 30 int per map. Unless they've changed it, I believe you can also get 'betray' options from rivals, which includes giving int for the rival's safehouse. So if everyone hates one faction, then both of the other encounters - which could be juiced, can also give a bunch of int.

Admittedly, changing the scarab means the 150% bonus int just isn't a thing anymore, which sucks. But even so, you're looking at like 5:1 or so on average

[lost quartz]

if you're going for the one safehouse spam strat

you're not running 5 guys in one faction

atleast, not in the one you want

[gritty basin]

Maybe, maybe not. The board doesn't reset anymore, and they took out the tier 4 rewards, so it doesn't matter who's running the show now

And that, I think, frees up some options

[lost quartz]

well you still want to keep the same people at all times

in their safehouses

[gritty basin]

It's been months since I tried it, but I think you'd be able to do something where you interrogate the guy you care about, then interrogate 3 more from that faction, which takes it down to just the one and forces the first guy out of the jail. Which automatically shoves him back in to the correct faction

[lost quartz]

sounds right

from phrecia 💀

[restive trellis]

lol

[gritty basin]

Admittedly, it's probably going to be a little harder to sustain, but if you do the next round with that faction and execute the first guy, then he gets the +1 back to level 3, you get the int from the three in jail, and that might be enough to hit the safehouse

I'm purely speculating, I haven't actually tried to map any of this out yet

[ancient zinc]

im sad about the removal of t4

[high fossil]

T4 was a crutch to try to get people to run Masterminds. Removing hopefully just means we no longer need it

[ancient zinc]

it might've nerfed gravicous card chest

[lost quartz]

100% grav chest is gone

[ancient zinc]

and tora's skill gem exp

[lost quartz]

thats what i farmed in phrecia

free money leveling enlightens

[ancient zinc]

and poor vorici

[lost quartz]

vorici got nerfed so many times 😦

[ancient zinc]

-stares at Aisling-

[lost quartz]

bring back 6 whites

[ancient zinc]

and Hillock

bring back quality 30% and free veil orb crafting 😦

[gritty basin]

Tora's t3 reward is still 200m exp, no?

Like that's not a t4 thing

[lost quartz]

well we don't know

[ancient zinc]

and non-common socket color crafting

it could be but you dont et double crafts

[lost quartz]

they haven't said what the new rewards are, and only showed crafting benches

[ancient zinc]

t4 was double

[gritty basin]

Ah. Missing out on the 2x is a bit rough, but still 200/run when you don't have to re-level her is good

[ancient zinc]

i could be wrong but I believe you still need to?

[gritty basin]

Board doesn't reset when you bonk Cat back to the underworld, and you don't get the interrogation option at the safehouse anymore

[ancient zinc]

like when you go fight the syndicate bosses in their stronghold to farm their content

oh wait what?

so.. the only way to get safehouse contents is through cat?

no wait you still have to fight safehouse but when you fight it, the syndicate members all reset yeah?

[gritty basin]

Nah nah, you can still run the safehouse. Leaders have an itemized drop that lets you go fight Cat

[ancient zinc]

for that safehouse

[gritty basin]

They specifically said fighting Cat doesn't reset the board. I don't think they've said that the safehouses do/don't reset when you fight them, but in the past I think the only thing that happened was the leader being a forced interrogation - which took them off the board

[ancient zinc]

tho if you cant force interrogate them.. shifting members in the wrong safe house just got more annoying

[gritty basin]

You can't interrogate them from the safehouse

Can still do it in the field

[ancient zinc]

yeah that's why i meant

that was one methods to boot everyone instead of waiting

[gritty basin]

Oh. I don't think I've ever tried to use the safehouse to push them around - I just wouldn't run it until I had the right people

[ancient zinc]

especially if your target is a leader

position that you dont want them to be at

i hope the cat drops arent stupidly rare..

rare cath map drops on top of the veil currency

[grand galleon]

If mercs are account bound, does that mean you're limited to 3 across your entire account? That sounds like it would hurt anyone trying to play more than 3 chars or make merc setups for more than 3 builds

[gritty basin]

I believe that's what it means, yes. They also said (in the most recent add-on) that a merc won't follow you if you're more than 20 levels behind

[grand galleon]

Yeah, that actually seems kinda counter-intuitive

Because if you have 3 mercs for your main set up, you essentially negate the entire mechanic for alts

[ancient zinc]

have one merc perpentially be level 19-20

[lost quartz]

one level 20 merc + 2 mercs for your main

[ancient zinc]

and make them a haste bot

[grand galleon]

yeah then pretty much alts are worthless

since you'll likely have a merc that matches your build

[lost quartz]

alt leveling is op anyways

[grand galleon]

not talking about leveling

talking about end game

if you have 2 mercs for your main your alt will have no end game merc if it's a different style of build

like people are talking about soulwrest mercs, doryani mercs, etc

[lost quartz]

if you're like hyper-specializing a merc probably

[gleaming zodiac]

yep mercs just became pretty meh for alts tho

[grand galleon]

i mean thats pretty much the end game no? mercs tailored to your build

hyper-specializing is what most players will likely be doing with their mercs

[gleaming zodiac]

at least during leveling, and if you have more than 3 character you'll have to make decisions 😬

[lost quartz]

i don't expect their skills to be so specialized that it doesn't work for another build

[gritty basin]

If there turns out to be a merc that's mostly support-focused, especially if it's got multiple auras, I assume it's going to be immedaitely BIS

[grand galleon]

i mean you have 4 "specialties" alone

[lost quartz]

true

[grand galleon]

and the ones we've seen so far are dps tank and summoner

there's supposed to be 20 types

and 4 like infamous types

so to limit an entire account to 3 seems relatively counter intuitive

[lost quartz]

is it confirmed that to swap one of the 3 out, you completely lose the old merc?

[odd gate]

wouldn't it be nice to have a high level merc to carry you through the campaign though

[grand galleon]

for one character yes, so everyone assumed each character got 3

I'm hoping we get some clarification

[lost quartz]

yeah this is some issues

[grand galleon]

Like every character gets 3 but you can "pull" a merc from another char

then that would make the whole account bound thing make sense

[odd gate]

they specifically said 3 total

not per character

[gleaming zodiac]

I mean even if they would have been level scaled at least you would have still been able to use one without terminating one

[grand galleon]

Where did they say that? I must have missed it

Account bound doesn't necessarily mean the entire account is limited to 3

But if that's the case, that really deadens the league mechanic as a whole

even for 1 character

[gritty basin]

Earlier today there was a post with additional Q&A answers that didn't get addressed on-stream

[gleaming zodiac]

Account bound and they cant be more than 20 level higher than you to be used

[grand galleon]

Yeah but account bound may just mean you can pull from different characters

[gleaming zodiac]

Yeah that's what it mean but also 3 limited for the whole league

[grand galleon]

But if it's actually 3 per account, that pretty much kills alts

[gleaming zodiac]

Like youd have 3 in ssf and 3 in normal which I also wonder how it work if you migrate ssf lol

[grand galleon]

probably lose your ssf ones

and get mailed their gear maybe

sounds like an exploit waiting to happen haha

[gritty basin]

inb4 you can't use mercs in SSF because then it wouldn't be solo

[high fossil]

Defeat a merc and you just start playing as them

[gritty basin]

lmao

[pastel void]

kinda funny solo self found o and my aurabot 😉

[gritty basin]

I want a 1 in a billion chance to get one of the characters from Hall of the Grandmasters as my merc. Though I don't think I could actually win the fight

[pastel void]

Garuantee you ziz if he does a challenge league will add in no mercs

[gritty basin]

He seemed pretty excited about the mercs from what I saw

[pastel void]

Least I think so

Yeah to play em but in a event league like the gauntlets he does

I dont think he will want em allowed

[gritty basin]

True. Maybe if he was able to work with GGG to limit the possible spawns or something - or make it so they can't spawn until maps?

[pastel void]

yeah limit the spawns might work yeah

[gritty basin]

I tried the last gauntlet, the one where everything was all kinds of weird... and tbh I didn't enjoy it. I loved the idea, but Hillock gate-keeping me in a situation where I had nearly zero influence over what skill I could use... felt like my agency as a player was removed

[gleaming zodiac]

That's part of the league tho, they could add a mod increasing party difficulty x3 instead of x1.5 would be a better option imo so IF you chose to use one itll get significantly harder

[pastel void]

Could be a nice play too yeah

[gleaming zodiac]

I agree it was "fun" up to a certain point where it's just too much I dont remember where I died and stopped in that gauntlet lol around act6 i think

[gritty basin]

I think I burned a dozen lives trying to get into the first town, and combined with the knowledge that I wasn't going to be able to play with my friend who was also in the gauntlet, it just sapped any motivation I had to push through.

Was still a lot of fun to watch though

[gleaming zodiac]

Well yeah these are always ssf :/ that'd be cool to make a duo one one day or something

[gritty basin]

6 mans, but class limits

Imagine one of each non-scion class in a party, actually functioning with complimentary builds... it's like food for the soul, it is

[keen merlin]

SSF enjoyers excited for the new league? I'm tempted to go ssf for the first time but the currency exchange is so tasty.

then again I guess everyone's probly a little excited to actually have a new poe 1 league huh

[restive trellis]

I basically always play gsf now, I find with recombinators trade is a bit too easy

chancing being less rsi will make getting common uniques more convenient

[keen merlin]

i just like the idea of playing for fun instead of profit every time

[restive trellis]

exactly, also you can just play at your own pace in ssf

[keen merlin]

ive never been a minmaxer in poe. in fact ive always been very much against it lol

[restive trellis]

there's less incentive to go fast

[keen merlin]

yea i usually dont finish campaign till saturday or sunday anyway

[odd holly]

Am I the only one to notice the stationary spectral shield throw they shown in the reveal stream? Iirc we don’t have that trans gem yet have they shown any details about those new gems besides the newest post they did?

[true bridge]

on the announcement page

[wintry slate]

elementalist int stack heavy strike

[latent nymph]

hey guys when the new league will start?

[lost quartz]

friday

[latent nymph]

NICEE

TY

[gleaming zodiac]

https://discord.com/events/174993814845521922/1378610433761480714

[latent nymph]

what do you think is a good build to play sanctum ?

[primal pecan]

Soooo Secrets of the atlas and Mercenaries League is same league? Or not

[pastel void]

Secrets ( here to stay ) is the expansion endgame merc is the league

Both will be in the merc league yes

[high fossil]

Secrets of the Atlas is the name for the 3.26 expansion, which includes the Mercenary Challenge League

[primal pecan]

Ohh

Thanks

[golden urchin]

Do you have any evidence to support these claims???

[high fossil]

You know full well i don't, please don't call me out like this

[raw swallow]

are there any promising starters for champion other than the jung reave build you guys have seen?

[golden urchin]

[high fossil]

Explosive Arrow Ballistas should be a really solid fallback, afaik

[golden urchin]

I think after new pob update is released, lots more people will be able to theorycraft with the new ascendancy nodes and make some more build guides

[raw swallow]

fair

i might just try champ slams, i know berserker is crazy for it but i just like adrenaline and want to see how crazy new fortify nodes can get

i feel like damage wont be an issue with the current state of slams but i guess were all just waiting for pob

[loud rock]

SSF Deadeye flicker is now viable

[lost quartz]

can we revert the 3.15 act 1 life changes since we're never getting the stuff those changes were being made for

[opaque ravine]

bro is fighting a war that ended 4 years ago

I had to look up the 3.15 patch notes to confirm that was even a thing lmao

[golden urchin]

what were the life changes

monster life increased?

idek what stuff we're supposed to get for those changes but its not that big of a deal is it? never had issues with damage in act 1

[golden urchin]

ok yeah so monster life

not that big of a deal lol

but i am still curious what "stuff" is referring to (from "we're never getting the stuff those changes were being made for")

[rose dragon]

"Brutus has taken time to renovate his arena."

lel

[high fossil]

They were going to rework all 10 acts to that level of difficulty

1 act per patch, as i recall

[golden urchin]

ah

[opaque ravine]

I don't think they ever actually said that, I remember it being something where people misinterpreted what they said

[high fossil]

But they did 1 and 2 and then i think priorities re poe2 shifted

[high fossil]

This bit is definitely speculation

[high fossil]

Plausible

[opaque ravine]

I think the whole point of the early act stuff was to smooth out the progression through acts more or something like that, and after the act 1 and 2 changes I don't think we really needed anything more done

[odd cape]

Hello guys,
In the patch note i saw this and i was planning a scorching ray totem build. It my first time using this skill and i was wondering if the "additional debuff stages now add x% of Damage" is x% of the base damage of the skill or x% of the previous stage's damage ?

[cold halo]

The double armor stat doesn't scale stuff like shield crush right?

Since it'll use the base armor only

[rose dragon]

veteran defender doesnt scale it, so this also should not

[red stone]

which is kinda dumb, but fair enough i guess

[somber pier]

So what's the usual price for holy relic of conviction and lancing steel of spraying early league?

[sonic field]

depends on popularity

but you can check prices from past leagues on poe.ninja

[somber pier]

Can I check day 1?

[frank pike]

Its gonns be hard to see exactly but you can see the entire timeline of settlers

[sonic field]

maybe not settlers cuz its long but for others yes

[somber pier]

Judging from settler's start date, is it this huge spike = day 1?

[frank pike]

Did you set the league to settlers and the timeframe to 365?

It should be st the very beginning

Cuz settlers was 10months long

[somber pier]

https://poe.ninja/economy/standard/skill-gems/summon-holy-relic-of-conviction-1

I'm using this link, I can't see where to change to settlers

Oh at the top

Sorry

I'm blind

[frank pike]

Alt Skill gem prices dont go over like 50c at the start i think

[weary marten]

If I equip an item that grants an aura on my mercenary will that enable that aura? Or do i need to find a mercenary that has that aura? Ex grace, determ or envy

[somber pier]

Ya it's so much nicer I think, thanks a lot ya

[frank pike]

It most likely will not give the aura to merc

[weary marten]

Aight

[sterile nova]

EU servers just went bye-bye?

[merry anchor]

that cause its the server GGG is practicing pause feature on

[sterile nova]

Lol, if anyone pauses, it pauses the whole server? Would be hilarious! 😄

[weary marten]

Probably took then down for maintainance before the release

[mighty spruce]

guys, are runesmithing weapon enchants gone completely?

[merry anchor]

yes

changed to runegraft over masteries

[rose dragon]

Well they werent wiped from already enchanted items, right? But ye, no rune enchanting anymore

[merry anchor]

whatever is in standard is all thats left

[mighty spruce]

some massive power drops across the board then - really hits bama hard

[rose dragon]

we getting free aurabots, we gonna be fine powerlevel wise

but ye, i am crying too about no returning projs for free on 2handers anymore

[merry anchor]

just have to og back to a million dollhairs priced nimis ring

[mighty spruce]

actually, it's only "150% of their value" to the 100% on the tree, which is a 25% reduction in overall damage

and 2 passive points i guess

[azure void]

@GGG Just let us powerlevel with mercenaries after we get a good one bro like come on getting free content by stopping people from powerleveling new builds is just dumb at this point almost as dumb as 1 year leagues

What does it matter if after we geta good mercenary we get to trivialise the campaign we already have to do it once would be nice we can have some fun doing it the 2nd and 3rd time

And hell maybe we find a cool way to level an it might make leveling fun so more people might be willing to level again and not feel its a chore

[rose dragon]

You can already trivialise the campaign with twink gear without merc

Like what's the issue?

[small mirage]

Can already trivialise the campaign by playing any semi decent levelling build xdd

[azure void]

Does it still feel like a chore though? It does its the thing everyone think when rerolling

[small mirage]

You kind of have to work hard to make acts not be trivial

[rose dragon]

It will feel like a chore even if merc is providing you both auras and alcohol

[bleak crypt]

i feel like having an overpowered merc would convert the campaign experience to a walking simulator, even more than it is already.

i personally enjoy it when i piece together my build

but maybe thats just me

[azure void]

Hmm an effort to change that would be good though plus "by playing any semi decent levelling build xdd" is straight up dumb to say ye even my grandma knows that most of those builds feel aids to play and id rather literally level ice wall than most of those and ive tried almost all of them

[bleak crypt]

not sure what you mean with feeling aids to play

[azure void]

hmm let me put it this way how many times have you done hollow palm or generic bow leveling with twink gear

after you do that 10 or 20 times youll know they feel bad to play its the same thing over and over and its not even interesting after a certain point maybe spice it up with some new mechanic or something to not make it the same every single time id reckon the last 20 characters ive leveled fast had pretty much the exact same setup every single time and im not gonna lie after a certain point ive started to dread rerolling to a new build tha needs diffrent asc cause the leveling is mind numbingly boring]\

maybe mercenaries will add some more fun to it who knows

[hollow osprey]

Do I loose my items if I accidentally removed a Merc?

[south plume]

BRO, a skill that was pretty much dead gets some revival only for it to be INT only????
That feels outright insulting to melee

casters getting all the best stuff is sad

[hollow osprey]

... Wait so does this mean with 500 int you can just get free double damage?

[south plume]

maybe, but thats only on this skill

[hollow osprey]

Ferb I know what we are gonna do today

[sonic field]

you get a warning popup, if you click yes its your fault

[sonic field]

[hollow osprey]

Alright gonna buy some cheap buffing uniques

[sonic field]

yes

[hollow osprey]

Lmao imagine if Perquil's Toe selling for 1 div

Because everyone is running it on their merc

[sonic field]

doubt, maybe day 1

[hollow osprey]

How many uniques are there that gives you buffs anyways

Kingmaker

[outer sun]

Unironically I have an issue with muscle memory where I randomly put my laptop to hybernation going through like two nested windows

[sonic field]

a decent bunch, but youll want tank it up too

[rose dragon]

Don't forget you need to keep Merc alive

[outer sun]

like when I space out it just goes to do some crazy stuff

[sonic field]

also remember about the gear restrictions

[hollow osprey]

Its just an Amulet bruh they can't die that fast

Can they?

[sonic field]

yeah perquil is fine

[hollow osprey]

Oh god can they?

[sonic field]

but you gotta invest into tank on armor pieces

[outer sun]

I'm really skeptical about the "nearby" being consistent enough for most players who want to use that

mercs being alive are probably also an issue but should be less than ag without investment

[hollow osprey]

Find a ranged Merc when you play ranged builds

[sonic field]

depends on content, for t17 i really recommend just beefing it up and keeping support down to innate auras and some stuff on jewellry

[hollow osprey]

Melee merc for melee builds

That way you can relatively stay alongside your Merc

[outer sun]

And then it'll run away randomly, or run into different direction, or will stay in corner for some reason, etc

[sonic field]

there is a very good bow merc with poacher mark, haste and grace

[outer sun]

on a ranged build you want to zoom zoom

[rose dragon]

Assuming they have base res 0 and not -60 and that nearby Will be ok that's my plan (wilma for reflect) for endgame Merc (+ 1-2 auras and tri-attr): https://pobb.in/6vbEoQTCZ6Ru

Don't see a way to fit more buffs in

[hollow osprey]

Well then that's the AI's fault

[rose dragon]

Without lossing tank

[outer sun]

Exactly my point

with AG you can at least put Meat Shield and it'll actually stay nearby but you're not gonna put Kingmaker on at either unless you're a minion build

[rose dragon]

Kingmaker means no Life on block shield means dead merc

[hollow osprey]

Anyways gonna play SST bleed Glad

Things will die offscreen

And my Merc will carry the single target dps

[rose dragon]

Wait for that no damage for 2sec t17 mod

which will now also be in t16.5 probably

[hollow osprey]

Who says I will run T17 maps

Selling them is more profitable

[rose dragon]

T16.5 you will prolly want to run

[hollow osprey]

16.5? 16 with Delirium?

[rose dragon]

new thing in 3.26

t16 with t17 mods for these memory thingies

[hollow osprey]

Wait did I miss this?
Ah but those can't be sold

They are Kirac-locked

[sterile nova]

EU servers lagging again....

[rose dragon]

found them, looks like these drop after you do new bosses

[hollow osprey]

What is Marked For Death again?

[rose dragon]

take 50% increased damage

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Marked_for_Death_(debuff)

[hollow osprey]

Ah so just Shock but stronger

Got it

[ember lodge]

Jesus the new patch notes look so crazy for cold dot 😄

+1 gem, 12% multi cluster and, overcapped cold -> dot multi whew!

[signal goblet]

would templar shockwave cyclone (staff) go phys or elemental convert?
(only item equipped is white staff) (and what ascendancy? inquis i guess)?

[sinful yew]

Damm im hyped for Trarthan gems ( hate the name tho).

Wave of Conviction looks cool but im sad it loses its exposure and lightning damage component.

Also having more cast speed than the skill duration will lead to interrupting the previous on going wave which is quite bad... another skill dead on arrival due to part of its mechanic being poorly thought-out, reminds me of base Rage Vortex. Limiting wave makes no sense, imagine if ball lightning or frost bolt were limited to 1? Oof

Just realized that base Wave of Conviction also has this limitation, i know why no one ever made a build around it now lmao.

[ionic wagon]

sst deadeye time

[versed widget]

I hope the memory mechanics aren't more profitable than t17s, trivializing harder content seems bad

[candid plinth]

I currently am using a witch build using wave of conviction followed up by arc.
I am able to clear tier 10 solo

[quasi warren]

If you can reduce the duration could you cast more often

[sonic stirrup]

WoC ignite has been a build

there's two reasons it's hard to build non-ignite woc

first off, as you now realised, you can't spam it to hit enemies far away faster

second off, the scaling is awkward since you're forced into split elements and don't have a clear easy path to a good trinity setup

not being forced into awkward trinity makes it better

you can still go into melee range to spam it

[hollow osprey]

A cheap unique for your Merc when you want to be comfy for a bit

In early maps

[static geyser]

Many good merc items

https://youtu.be/MtyTz4X-8tQ?si=X3dgiYgd2S-QUZaq

[frozen belfry]

when will they share the new atlas passive tree?

how usually it goes?

[gritty basin]

Those two are gonna wind up changing the whole pathing tree for RF builds, aren't they

[queen cedar]

doesn't RF already travel to the big fire cluster right above witch? might not be that big a change, depending on where exactly those clusters are positioned

[gritty basin]

Fair point, I assumed they'd be at least kinda difficult to get to

[brave sigil]

they're kinda meh tbh

30% inc damage and 12% dot multi

[manic kernel]

has anyone made a PL for mercenaries and what is in it, are the mercs in it or just the core changes ?

[velvet yarrow]

no

you might take hasty demise but its not very interesting

[static geyser]

what is a PL?

[manic kernel]

private league

https://www.pathofexile.com/private-leagues/create

[sonic field]

i already answered them on general but they have trouble understanding what "starts together with the league" means

[static geyser]

maybe a language barrier

I myself just wondered what PL means

haven't seen that abbrevation before

oh private league, i see

[open snow]

guardian looks insane no?

[manic kernel]

u never once said, Starts together with league u said it opens, i wonder what that even means

[sonic field]

#1┃general message you sure about that?

[manic kernel]

Opens

[sonic field]

literally the first response

[manic kernel]

opens?

[sonic field]

yes

[manic kernel]

LuL

[sonic field]

in this context they mean the same thing

[manic kernel]

so u think everyone understands what the word open means in the way u use it?

😄

[sonic stirrup]

Reasonable assumption honestly

[manic kernel]

so i can make PL but it opens when league begins?

[sonic stirrup]

And if you don't understand a wording, you ask for clarification

You don't ask the same question again

[manic kernel]

i did, he said read again after comma

kept responding like that

lul

all good

very friendly guy

[sonic stirrup]

You didn't ask for clarification on what the word "open" means

So it wasn't an unreasonable response

[manic kernel]

"read again after comma"

very friendly

[sonic stirrup]

If you want just answers and no sass, you can ask questions in the question channels

That's the generic discussion channel

[manic kernel]

some actual friendly ppl already answered thoroughly, thanks

[sonic stirrup]

I mean for future questions

[static geyser]

how tanky could you make volcanic fissure of snaking and which ascendancy would that be?

I don't need a 300mil dps paper thin build

would prefer a 70mil dps but 500k ehp build instead

[hot quail]

I mean, if you do a champion id recon hed get stupid tanky with the buffs to fortify

Can you wear shields with snaking? If so ez svalinn for unkillable

[static geyser]

nah it's 2 handed axe type of build

well does not have to be axe, but 2 handed

and I absolutely hate svalinn

svalinn is fake ehp

[hot quail]

Well if you get the stuff for fortify you're at what, 36 stacks?

[static geyser]

randomly you will get 1 shot

[static geyser]

and what does that translate to? I have never done a build that uses fortify

[sonic field]

berserk is kinda unbeatable early, later you can swap to jugg for str stack version, tankyness is fine

[static geyser]

you can change ascendancy in poe1?

[sonic field]

you really want the warcry node on berserk

[sonic field]

yes, just click the altar with no points assigned

[hot quail]

Fortify is a buff that means you take - 1% dmg per stack for 6 seconds

So at 36%..

[static geyser]

I see

I just want something as tanky as my old ice nova hiero

I made that fker tanky as hell, without svalinn

and still 70mil dps

[hot quail]

Not sure i would agree with svalinn being fake just because of what, entropy? Likely a lot of tank from mercernary too, have you checked out any of the league starter lists?

[static geyser]

can snaking champion do that?

similar to those numbers

[static geyser]

why I dislike svalinn is because when that lucky block ultimately fails you're toast

and you can't block DOT

and cannot block certain boss attacks even if not DOT

I don't like randomly going poof while mapping

[hot quail]

I dont think you can make builds that can become immortal from _everything _anymore

[static geyser]

that's fine

I could not tank that memory game mechanic from uber pinnacle what's her name

some things are just not meant to be tanked

[hot quail]

Maven

[static geyser]

but I definitely don't want one of those paper thin all out dps builds

[static geyser]

speaking of STR stack version, would that be some insanely expensive build using those uber rare jewels that cost like 500 div each?

and you need loads of them

I forgot the name of them

[sonic field]

idk if insanely but it is expensive yes, stackers are generally in 100+ div area

[static geyser]

oh 100 div is totally fine

I sold my inof for 1700-something div and that was way into the league when prices already went to shit

so a couple mirror as the end goal is totally fine

just as long as it aint one of those 10+ mirror builds

where the amulet alone is 5 mirror 😂

some insane simplex amu

[nimble hedge]

I'm playing Str stack RF Sion.
Pretty sure all stacking builds can go infinite with currency sink

Also when I comes to jewels, you will most likely have most jewels beat out by an adorned setup. Unless your build REALLY likes something over adorned jewels. Even forbidden flame/flesh jewels take away from the adorned and it's something to consider

[lethal robin]

trickster can

if you want smth very tanky do trickster or archmage hiero

[static geyser]

hiero is kinda dead no?

[pastel void]

https://wheelofnames.com/u7t-3kj need a build spin away no pobs though

[static geyser]

i did archmage hiero in 3.25

and loved it

[lethal robin]

no

almost as good as in settlers

[static geyser]

the best ascendancy node for hiero was absolutely shat on

[lethal robin]

not really?

doesn't change much, manacost was no issue in endgame anyways

only matters early on where you might have to swap in inspiration or path to some reduced cost nodes

[static geyser]

for an archmage double mana cost is kinda big

makes you waaaaay not stable anymore

[lethal robin]

no it doesn't really matter

[static geyser]

of course it matters

[lethal robin]

you realize about 60% of that nerf is already solved through the base regen it got right

[static geyser]

sure as hell matters for ice nova anyway which is what I played

ice nova is dead for other reasons though

[lethal robin]

but yeah point is it's basically just as good of a starter as 3.25

[frank pike]

ice nova hiero is not dead, but its just an okay build, not op, not bad

[lethal robin]

if anything it's better since it survived nerfs much better than most other builds

id say archmage hiero is the 2nd best starter for 3.26

[static geyser]

I don't care as much about what to league start as what is the final form

and how well it runs juiced t17 or mega juiced t16

with possessed titanic shit

[lethal robin]

yeah that's almost the same as 3.25 for archmage hiero

[static geyser]

damage is halved, how is that almost

on icenova

[lethal robin]

use a different skill

[nimble hedge]

Didn't someone send a video of a 3 link ice nova without the mana node doing Uber elder 1 frostbolt?

[static geyser]

uber elder is nothing

come on

thats not what to messure against

[lethal robin]

vortex of projection has almost same damage as ice nova

[nimble hedge]

A league starter only needs to kill elder and maven?

[static geyser]

yeah vortex looks good

but I fear it is too similar to what I ran in 3.25

[nimble hedge]

A 3L with no ascendancy seems pretty okay for a league starter

[static geyser]

but i struggle finding a different but similar build

[lethal robin]

only build that reaches similar tankiness apart from omega budget are tricksters

[static geyser]

I want something similar, but don't want to essentially run the same build again

I'm picky

[nimble hedge]

People are dooming too hard on manaman for how strong it's still gonna be

[static geyser]

define omega budget

my ice nova hierphant ended at multi mirror

[lethal robin]

eh like 10+ mirrors

[static geyser]

yikes

yeah no

I won't have THAT much time

[lethal robin]

yeah ur best option is trickster then

its the tankier by far even on giga budget

[nimble hedge]

Most builds have ways to make them essentially immortal.
Take care of degens
1 shots
And shotguns
And you are immortal

[static geyser]

what even makes archmage hierophant so damn tanky? I know mine was tanky as hell, but cannot remember what exactly made it so tanky

[nimble hedge]

Mind over matter and mana before life

[static geyser]

of course

and 10k+ mana

[lethal robin]

tons of pool but the main thing is conditionals

I assume that image had frost shield, sigil and arcane cloak or some combo of those enabled

[nimble hedge]

MoM is INSANELY good if you have the mana for it

[static geyser]

the one I posted? let me check

if I can even remember how to check

was a while ago

[lethal robin]

but like for reference this was my week3 trickster in settlers with no conditionals

it just reaches a different realm of tankiness lol

[static geyser]

jesus christ

[rose dragon]

Sorry to intrude, that enough to tank uber memory game or was that with guard skill?

[static geyser]

the above picture for sure

[lethal robin]

ngl I didnt test without guard skill and the char is voided so

[nimble hedge]

Trickster will still be good this league. EE and trickster only got slaps on the wrist

[lethal robin]

cant test without now lol

i assume its enough tho idk how much dmg it does

[static geyser]

so yeah surge on

aye memory is coming back

[nimble hedge]

So it's all defensive layers up

[lethal robin]

yeye so if u untick cloak/frost shield/sigil in skills section the numbers will fall quite abit. but still likely quite high

[static geyser]

pob can show cant it

122,5k phys

so yes it can

[lethal robin]

huh I thought it was more and some form of conversion

thats maybe sirus meteor thats conversion

[static geyser]

sirus hits very hard

could be him

that one big skill he has anyway

not meteor

that one is 80k phys

[rose dragon]

Wait can maven memory game really crit or i am looking at numbers wrong?

That crit chance line

[lethal robin]

actually i dont think that screen shows conversion

if u go to calcs and to dmg taken it looks like memory game does have conversion

[static geyser]

bosses always have 5% base crit chance

but dunno if memory game can crit

so what kind of builds does trickster do well?

I want something diablo 2 sorc-y

ranged elemental spell slinger

[lethal robin]

ee is the best, uses strike skills mainly

[static geyser]

ee?

[lethal robin]

its kinda hard to scale trickster dmg well outside of it tbh

ephemeral edge

[static geyser]

ok

3.25 was my first league so I don't know the lingo yet

[lethal robin]

ig spark is maybe solid on trickster too with enough gear

[static geyser]

vortex looks good, but would maybe feel too similar

snaking looks fun, minus points for it semi feeling like a barbarian

[rose dragon]

what you looking at now strmor? VFoS or tricky or something new?

[lethal robin]

im giga torn on what to start lol

i wanna do ee trickster but im worried about how ps mines will feel in hc

alternative is to do slams zerker/jugg and aim to do str stacking later

[static geyser]

what kind of build is ee trickster?

[lethal robin]

no original plans exactly xdd

[static geyser]

isn't ephemeral edge a weapon?

i recognize the name

[rose dragon]

that fake kind of melee that offscreen

lightning strike, smite, msoz

splitting steel before it got killed

flicker strike if you want even, pretty much all strikes work with this setup good

[static geyser]

out of those I have only seen smite and LS

LS will fry my laptop

literally

[lethal robin]

thing is I feel if I start smth other than trickster im just gonna end up rerolling to it on like day3 when I got gear for EE lol

and leveling new char is annoying

[static geyser]

to play LS i would need to sub to geforce now

[merry anchor]

im just gonna ls trickster. make life simple this league

[rose dragon]

I dunno about this memory game thing in pob calculation - i know for fact i couldnt tank it ingame, but in pob calcs tab it shows its ok

[lethal robin]

yeah the numbers look way too low

[rose dragon]

but it shows entire phys converted to ele for some reason, i dont think thats factual

[frank pike]

i mean, it is on discount rn

[static geyser]

I could tank all hits but the last one

which is the big boi

[static geyser]

not about the sum of money, would just feel bad

uhhh how about that skill..

I don't know the name

it calls down thunder strikes from the sky

multiple, all around you

it looked super cool

[rose dragon]

isnt that smite? or smite of divine judgement?

[waxen juniper]

divine ire?

[static geyser]

but maybe that would suck on bosses

[static geyser]

no

[static geyser]

no

[merry anchor]

storm call?

[static geyser]

I would know if I saw the name

nope

let me see if i can find the video i saw

[merry anchor]

lightning conduit

[static geyser]

yes

thats the one

is lightning conduit good endgame?

like really endgame

[waxen juniper]

conner has some stuff about it if you wanna look

iirc

[static geyser]

lightning conduit looked like one of those feel good skills

[rose dragon]

Isnt conner going for incirneration of venting?

[merry anchor]

you can do a lightning conduit of the heavens version of conners Mjolnir build

[rose dragon]

oh as leveling

[static geyser]

conner converse?

[waxen juniper]

yes

something like mjolner archmage 3.25

[static geyser]

he has a video 1 year old

[waxen juniper]

sounds right

[rose dragon]

Wait did he change his mind or something?

Didnt he say he was going aurastack and mjolner just for leveling

and now theres a full video

[waxen juniper]

not sure, im talking about the 3.25 version lol

nothing really changed

[rose dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnYBVZSmpZo&t=3s

[waxen juniper]

oh i didnt know that

ah its bl of orbitign not lightning conduit

[rose dragon]

and the planning video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZqNepj-V80

[static geyser]

ngl those numbers look good

very good tank AND 200m dps

[rose dragon]

Conner is the guy you go to for crazy dps and tank, but at the caveat of a lil bit of yank and high-budget

he good in this niche

[static geyser]

yank?

I'm fine with high budget as long as it aint those insane 10+ mirror ones

[rose dragon]

Like he doesn't mind having a bit of ramp up or standing still and so on, dunno whats in this one particularly

just speaking from my experience with his msoz and seeing how mfa played

[static geyser]

shall watch his video and see

[rose dragon]

He's good at being transparent - if there is some gameplay yank he will say so directly, don't worry.

[static geyser]

sounds like my kind of guy

no sugar coating

no clickbait

why is he talking about solving accuracy?

isn't mjolnir lightning skill build?

like ball lightning

[high fossil]

You still have to hit to trigger

And misses don't hit

[static geyser]

i see

[odd gate]

mjolner triggers the lightning skill when you successfuly hit with an attack using it

[static geyser]

makes sense

[exotic trellis]

hi, if I play aurabot with The Hand of Phrecia and my buddy plays BAMA build, if I am linked to him, do the summoned "Minions" also gain the aura? because it is there in a build but I think it won't work, no? or is it snapshotted when he attacks with the skill?

[static geyser]

this does look interesting

kinda like whirlwind barbarian and lightning sorc had a baby

though that means you must be in melee range vs bosses

[sonic field]

i think the minions have to be linked, the unique specifies auras only apply to the linked target and you, so unless the minions take your friends stats in some way, the auras wont boost them

[exotic trellis]

thats what i think too

[thick rock]

how annoying is it to play an eye of malice build in t17s

[static geyser]

thank you, I think I found my build ♥️

[sonic field]

depends on what exactly do you do with it

[thick rock]

curse reduction setup not rakiatas

[sonic field]

is it really worth it? the enemies will have increased res by it unless you buff the exposure

[thick rock]

like i was looking into how much resistance reduction i could get using a merc and it was rlly high but im my head im just like "well its still not enough if i roll increased monster resistances on a map"

honestly i think not enough people are worried about monster resistances in t17s with the inversion mastery nerf

the mastery was enough to brute force maps even with mediocre pen

but like

i feel like omniscience is gonna be really popular again

[sonic field]

not really

[red hare]

Thoughts on cyclone champion? Always wanted to try cyclone out but always picked safer options

[gleaming zodiac]

that's what i wanted to leaguestart with but now i'm more tempted with cold dot 😁
damage won't be great on cyclone champ, it'll be okay to play tho imo just not great

[sonic field]

slayer is much stronger early, better aoe and just works better with cyclone

[mighty swallow]

Any thoughts on uniques to add? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dg8EdjR7twZrOaf0RYIbtBQr0f7aiTkRhXBApHj5kzI/edit?usp=sharing

searched for all nearby/allie interactions

[rose dragon]

For Merc?

[mighty swallow]

Yea

Since they dont count as party members, I did my best to compile every unique on poedb that worked with allies or nearby enemies IE blind/etc

I usually stick to similar archetypes so interactions with other builds I'm not 100% sure on, thought about including poisons/shocks/etc of uniques but figured most builds relying or benefiting from that already had alternatives

[rose dragon]

Maybe add a section for defensives, dead merc is useless merc

E.g. using wilma to make it 0dps so reflect won't kill it

[mighty swallow]

Yea that is valid, not a bad idea to give an eye on defensive uniques, less educated there though. I'll def look into it here in a bit, thanks.

[rose dragon]

That's my lategame plan: https://pobb.in/6vbEoQTCZ6Ru basically perquil toe, rarity culler, hopefuly dex+str+int base Merc with 1-2 useful auras. Everything else invested into defences

And Conner made a nice video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi4KxGMFIOc

[lost quartz]

whats with the wilmas' requital

[mighty swallow]

Chest doesn't work afaik

[rose dragon]

Merc cannot die to reflect if 0dps

[mighty swallow]

they dont benefit from skills like that, they're the same as AG

[lost quartz]

didn't think of that, nice

[rose dragon]

Isn't sane default state? It don't need to use unhinge

[mighty swallow]

as in we're all passively sane?

[rose dragon]

Ye

[mighty swallow]

I thought sane was a contingency of the skill

[lost quartz]

still sane, exile?

• me after 12 act 1 melee runs

[rose dragon]

Hope it works, otherwise Just generic rare with high Life and crit reduction per endur or smh like that

[red hare]

What about gladiator? (hollow palm)

[mighty swallow]

I'm still stuck debating if I wanna do RF or VFOS, did VFOS in Phrecia for SSF and loved it, but it lacked the fluidity of chill that RF brings to mapping, but t17s were a joke same with bosses

[sonic field]

low aoe, low dmg, potentially tankier but not neccessarly