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[sonic stirrup]

Oh or did they say in the video

Ah

They did

Right, I forgot that

[river karma]

I'm new to the game and love rougelike genre and I hear sanctum is PoE rougelike. What would be a good sanctum runner?

[pastel void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eL6L-aZw-Q

[tawdry plover]

Hexblast mines has been a premier choice

[pastel void]

lance is all about sanctum

[tawdry plover]

Have you seen sanctum? It's not as much roguelike as you may expect

[pastel void]

poe hc is a roguelike change my mind 🙂

[tawdry plover]

It's as close as poe has to one but isn't very similar to what I play rogue style games for

[sonic stirrup]

It's a bit of a roguelike, yes, but might not necessarily be something you enjoy if you're expecting an actual roguelike experience

[maiden mural]

1 day 15 hours to go

[pastel void]

https://tenor.com/view/now-now-cat-now-now-now-now-cat-nopeify-gif-23687708

[maiden mural]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-dexter’s-laboratory-dexter’s-lab-cartoon-network-piggy-bank-gif-15286110300998350193

[neat rover]

really digging challenge rewards

[pastel void]

Yep want that portal mtx

[ivory grove]

I want to pop out of a volcano

[pastel void]

huh?

[ivory grove]

As a portal

Maybe have it as a lava pool?

[pastel void]

ah

[ivory grove]

Idk, i think it would be cool, though the vulcan portal is cool too

[barren crescent]

Ggg doesnt patch note specific item drop rate changes

[sullen glade]

honestly, 40% of my interest this league stems from that black market and its ability to supply decent rares instead of having to sift through dropped rares or waste time crafting

[silk otter]

Hello! I'm a returnee (I'm kinda new) and I will definitely try this league. To that end, I was trying to find a league starter melee build that could be fun and easy or something haha. Any tips?

[sullen glade]

so far the best build guide imho
explains everything in detail, and is pretty straightforward
very tanky, decent damage
maybe want to use lacerate with the blood and sand instead of the Lacerate of Haemorrhage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsgx58XIxuQ

[sullen glade]

if you are a really new guy, then this guide is even more beginner friendly, and with an extremely tanky tank of extra beef, though not nearly as much damage as the above
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_bN8HOJz_o

[silk otter]

Thanks bro! Will definetly check it out!

that's the big guy no? at the select character screen? @sullen glade

[sullen glade]

the gladiator is the duelist, which is the slender guy
the juggernaut is the marauder, which is the buff one

[silk otter]

got it.

[maiden mural]

Day 3 of asking where death mtx is

[versed storm]

How tanky is Lightning strike and how good is it for bosses ?

[lime crypt]

yes, yes

[versed storm]

So I am just unsure if I wanna start with Lightning Strike or Ball Lightning and transition into the Nova Build, both seem good for Bosses and are tanky, right?

[agile hemlock]

nova is probably better at bosses

[lime crypt]

depending on your budget, LS can range anywhere from 100m to 1 bil boss dps, and around 1 quarter of that for clear, but anyway, you can't do campaign with either I believe

need to swap at 70 normally

[versed storm]

Tuna Max roll guide starts playing LS at 55 I think and for the nova build I would play ball lightning till I get the Kitava helmet

Also I dunno what I wanna do for this season, last seasons I always did legion and I gets boring

[lime crypt]

I have positive view for tuna build usually, but for LS, his build is the least credible among all streamers that are going to play LS next league

deadeye is the least favorable class to play LS next league, no high level of tankiness like slayer, no high level of damage like warden

[versed storm]

Oh FR ? So we play warden or slayer ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jW24ruPUtQ&t=113s

Can I just listen to this dude ?

[lime crypt]

my main concern is the price of LS of arcing during early league that could have been spent on an upgrade to an item or 2, which is better for early league, but in the end, every LS will turn into LS of arcing anyway

[versed storm]

I see. But I guess Nova gem will also be rather expansive

[lime crypt]

they are 2 different skills, 2 different playstyles, pick what you prefer

[versed storm]

Thanks 🙂 Do you have any recommended guide I can follow for the league start?

[lime crypt]

the one you link is good, or palsteron, or a few more I think, just watch them all and see which suit you the most

in fact if you can somehow get LS of arcing early on, can play tuna build as well

[west nacelle]

when will the download for 3.25 start?

[grizzled moon]

3-4 hours before launch i'd say

[west nacelle]

thanks

[grizzled moon]

if you got a decently fast connection its not a problem

[silver sleet]

Hey guys, anyone got a lead for any poison melee skills i.e Viper Strike/Pestilent Strike or Cobra lash? Trying to pob a Hardcore viable build but i'm not very experienced at build creation. What I#ve come up so far (Trickster VS/PS) lacks defenses.

[final bear]

At what time is release??

[grizzled moon]

https://www.pathofexile.com/

[final bear]

Lol there is a countdown ty

[cinder garden]

How to tell a gameplay was from league or standard? Was it possible?

[grizzled moon]

it might say it in the upper right corner

[cinder garden]

Oh lol, silly me, didnt paying attention much

Thank you

[tawny smelt]

does anyone know chill hideout music i can use?

[jovial igloo]

CEST is not in favor this time :(

22.00 is a bit late sadly

[tawny smelt]

very late

[lost sorrel]

is it tomrrow or saturday for us aussies?

[high fossil]

Saturday morning

6am on the east coast

[lost sorrel]

damn had my hopes for tommrrow aha

[jovial igloo]

its in 33 hours. lets say it like that 😅

[high fossil]

Chuck a sickie and spend the day planning on pob and acquiring snacks

[lost sorrel]

honestly im still a bot when it comes to that stuff wouldnt have a clue what build to play thats easy to start on

[high fossil]

!guides

[drifting thicket]

A short list of places to find builds for new players:

Maxroll.GG's leaguestarter buildguide section has high quality build guides

If you are more into video guides, a playlist by the youtuber Zizaran, he also has a bunch of other video guides for new players.

A collection of minion build guides created/ curated by GhazzyTV

You can also always find popular builds on the Builds section of Poe.ninja, but those aren't really guides, just snapshots of live player builds without any explanation for what makes them good or not good.

[high fossil]

Some good sources to take a look through, see if anything seems like a good fit

[dreamy maple]

if you had to recommend a witch build for 3.25, which one would it be, and why?

[whole shore]

why are they wasting everyone's time, release it today

thursday is the new friday

[thorny pond]

You can’t play? I’ve been playing since yesterday

[grizzled moon]

standard is available, the new league launches later this week

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/jokes-joke-went-over-your-head-superman-the-joke-gif-15643668

[prime tree]

probably EA elementalist

decent allrounder, maybe a bit on the squishy side, hard to fudge up with relatively easy to understand mechanics. It's a very straight forward build overall.

[dreamy maple]

Yeah unfortunately thats also the only thing that came to my mind quickly.. but I hate playing that, lol. (that = totems)

[prime tree]

holy relic or SRS are other ones i can think of, but haven't played them so i can't really vouch for either. WoC ignite also an option, haven't played that either, at least not further than like early yellows when testing it. It might fall off in reds? not sure.

[dreamy maple]

Yeah unfortunately minions aren't for me either.. woc is kinda nice, good decent start.. I played that 2 leagues ago and I see it more as a "tool to get me somewhere else" as a transition to coc-fr or whatever

[prime tree]

could check the build index on the sub https://ie.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1eaudsu/325_settlers_of_kalguur_league_start_build_index/

[opaque junco]

1 more day of boredom i suppose....

can't wait till i settle for callgirls

[dreamy maple]

tyvm, ill glance over it 🙂
Rn I'm prolly going LS Warden, but.. idk I miss my witch already, lol.

[sage thorn]

Finally, we get to learn something about that "Riben Fell" place.

[violet nymph]

what do you guys think about flicker strike? seems like a lot of people will do that

[sage thorn]

It was written at one point that using Flicker Strike does not count as "continuously moving".

[lime crypt]

how hard it is to finish 36 challenges? uber hard?

free mtx next league look so cool

[prime tree]

challenges have gotten easier (imo) with each league. 36 is usually a bit of a grind, but not too bad.

[lime crypt]

I started playing since affliction and think I never got beyond 15 🥲

[prime tree]

oh, then it might be a bit tougher, relatively speaking.

[sage thorn]

Prepare to see the people who get all the Settlers league challenge rewards flaunt them in PoE2 Act 4's Town.

[lime crypt]

provided poe2 is on time

[sonic canyon]

Even if they were to delay a second time, which I think is unlikely, people could still flaunt those rewards in 10 years time if they wanted to.

[cursive glen]

What build is everyone going on launch? anyone got any good guides to follow for this season?

[agile hemlock]

it's worse than other attacks, but people like the playstyle and thus play it.

[violet nymph]

it honnestly looks really fun to play

if you have another things fun to play please tell me

[cursive glen]

found this for builds for this league

https://ie.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1eaudsu/325_settlers_of_kalguur_league_start_build_index/

[agile hemlock]

frostblink ignite is kind of decent

[upper dragon]

i should have expected it, but how am i only finding out now that corrupting a gem has a chance to make it a vaal one

[cursive glen]

What build is everyone going to start with this season?

[errant quiver]

Explosive arrow is gonna be kinda mid this league, lost defenses and didnt get much in return. Explosive trap is kinda aids but depends on whether you like the playstyle. Outside of DD all the part 2 starters are good, i'd put RF in top starters cause of the Pohx bible

Also depends on what you're looking for. Good old and trusted tech or new stuff (mostly new melee builds)

[cursive glen]

I feel RF has always been good tho

[errant quiver]

RF is pretty weak compared to other builds, but because Pohx basically solved it for low-button, braindead playstyle with 1000 people to troubleshoot its amazing to start

[neat carbon]

I'll probs go with Ice Nova hiero.

[cursive glen]

What are you gonna go?>

[neat carbon]

alternatively bleediator or lacerate slayer.

The only downside might be the cost of loot

[errant quiver]

Ill prob decide tomorrow haha. Prob pconc of bouncing , SRS into holy relic or lacerate bleed.

[cursive glen]

ice nova suppose to be good?

[neat carbon]

and mb some 0hp miner for ubers if i feel like going through acts again

[violet nymph]

i wanna be unkilleable and still deal a ton of damage for atlas mapping, pohx just made my day

[errant quiver]

Archmage ice nova was insane last league, didnt really get nerfed (inspiration, some other stuff) so it will still be good

[cursive glen]

why are u thinking of RF?

[errant quiver]

And good as in still easily possible to do T17 and ubers with investment

[violet nymph]

coz i wanna be unkilleable and very good aoe damage

[cursive glen]

ill prob go ice nova this league then seems like a good start

[violet nymph]

for league start i mean

[cursive glen]

Is there a lvling guide for that archmage nova?>

[errant quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbu2hLKek18

[cursive glen]

Oh nice and a POB as well

seems like alot of fun

[errant quiver]

Its a bit more complicated than most starters so you need a bit of knowledge to pull it of cleanly

Ice nova of frostbolts is a transfigured gem, so you either have to run lab yourself or wait to buy it (expensive)

[cursive glen]

Yeah tbh i've only ever played archmage ball lighting Im, prettyy sure

so deff will need to follow it closely and might need help lol

[errant quiver]

The starter gear is not that crazy though

[upper dragon]

i'm thinking of going lightning strike. but knowing me i might just wing it

[errant quiver]

Sustaining mana can be a bit more complicated when its also your Ehp

And you want to use kitava's thrist helmet to automate eventually or you'll hate your life

[sharp sandal]

do we know if runes smithing can be applied on unique item , or only rare ?

[agile hemlock]

only rare

[lime crypt]

anyway to transfer fast currency from removal only stash to standard stash? clicking on the 20 or 40 stacks feels so long

[barren crescent]

Good build, but requires sun glasses

[prime tree]

wait for the patch. a new feature will allow you to ctrl+rightclick to fill your entire inventory, and ctrl+rightclick in your inventory will transfer all of that thing in your inventory into the the current stash tab or the one with the matching affinity

[lime crypt]

nice, too many have complained that the qol to move bulk currency for trade is not applied to currency tab

[clever hound]

ive been planning to play necro build for a long time now but they buffed melee and i dont know what to do

[lime crypt]

give in to your desire bro

[boreal fern]

Can you place multiple banners on 3.25?

[cursive glen]

that build looks wild lol

[flat egret]

what are the early theory crafters saying will be the most broken build

[lime crypt]

builds with a dozen of mirrors invested

[woeful blade]

Are there any up-to-date guides for elementalist fire skills?

(rolling magma, blazing salvo, or just regular fireball)

[ivory grove]

One of the worst feeling is seeing the count doen for something you are exitec for only have a few hours left and you have to go to work before you can try it

[hoary oasis]

Is there a place where all 3.25 maps are mentioned? I can't see maps being mentioned in patch notes

[lime crypt]

there is, they mostly suck

[hoary oasis]

Well, if we can swap div cards between maps we can just run the one map we like, right?

Where can I find the list?

[coarse bridge]

The maps are in the patchnotes

[jade rapids]

if you need a few key items for archmage ice nova, is it worth hating your playstyle through campaign and early maps?

[hoary oasis]

Ah, I can see them now, sorry

[south breach]

Isn't Kitava's Thirst easy to get or at least go for? I'll need one too lol

[jade rapids]

not if everyone wants it lol

i don't think it has a deterministic way of dropping

unless people know something I don't about finding a specific unique

[south breach]

I only ready it's random rng drop and you can also chance for it I think

Was curious if there's a specific piece of armor to roll chance for it

[errant quiver]

If you're planning on clearing T17's/ubers/getting 40/40 i'd say it is worth it, but if you're just playing to have fun and blast some T16's I would say don't ruin your early experience, plenty of other builds to try that are strong on it own

[south breach]

Yeah true but the reason I picked this build was to be able to do everything with 1 character hehe

[jade rapids]

ziz says he doesnt like slam skills, but ground slam slayer seems fine

yeah i saw someone say it's a good one and done

[lime crypt]

there are like 1001 builds that can do everything

[jade rapids]

if my early campaign/mapping sucks i dont have fun with the league

the most fun I ever had was leveling with RF in 3.23

or 3.22

such a smooth build

[errant quiver]

Stick with something simpler then imo

[jade rapids]

ground slam has war cries but seems simple

no more fucking melee totems lmao

i saw subtractem has a frostblink fire trap elementalist

iirc it doesn't need specific uniques to start

[coarse bridge]

Witch is in the worst state it’s ever been in fyi

[jade rapids]

ah, good to know

im really hoping the melee changes will make melee levelling a similar experience

i practiced act 1 a bit this week and act 1 on marauder felt awful

[dawn summit]

Any conformation about recombinators work for fractured items yet? Like make 2-4 fractured mods on an item?

[lime crypt]

seems doesn't work

[dawn summit]

It worked in sentinel league. So curious if the feature was same now

[lime crypt]

I doubt it would, seeing how multiple fractured base items were so broken in necropolis

[dawn summit]

Multiple fractured items are the same as any non fractured bases. Just makes it easier to craft stuff really

[lime crypt]

they are not the same, they practically trivialize crafting, making it so much cheaper than normally would

items that would cost a mirror in different leagues only costed a few tens of div in necropolis

[dawn summit]

Recombinators is also make crafting easier. 2 meh items make god items 🙃

[lime crypt]

easier, but not much easier, nothing is as broken as triple fractured base last league

anyway, I hope they don't allow any fractured affix to work with recombinator

[wraith saffron]

do we have any info on what the "cone" is for GSS ?

[dawn summit]

Atleast i hope it does. Synth items are better than frac items. So allow recomb fracs isnt gonna break market as peeps only mirror synth bases anyways 🙃

[lime crypt]

I hope dev make item hunting more difficult, not esier, this is not diablo games that need to cater to casuals so much

[jade rapids]

That's just elitist

this game and D4 are already so different

[lime crypt]

this whole game is already elitist

[jade rapids]

If you want itemization to be hard, play ruthless

[lime crypt]

most casuals can't even finish half of campaign, leave along getting involved in crafting

[lime crypt]

how about I want the base game to be hard and ruthless to be even harder?

[jade rapids]

Well I'm glad the devs don't listen to people like you

[lime crypt]

as expected, people are too spoiled by easy crafting in necropolis they become entitled

[lime crypt]

nor do they listen to you

[jade rapids]

Okay?

Do you just want to be mad about something today

[lime crypt]

good thing that every league mechanics that come back next league got toned down, and so is recombinator

[lime crypt]

mad about idiots wanting bis items handed down to them within week 1, how about that?

they should go play d3

[jade rapids]

That's the largest strawman I have ever seen

Burning man level

[lime crypt]

good luck

[jade rapids]

Note that I haven't said anything about making crafting easier

[lime crypt]

strawberry boi

[blissful onyx]

wanting crafting to be more accessible
waaa soybaby want free gear

Surely there's some nuance here

Wait no

It's poe disord

[jade rapids]

This is path of exile

You can't have fun unless you're suffering

[blissful onyx]

Pardon me

forgot what chat i was reading

[random juniper]

When is the league launching in Europe?

[lime crypt]

2077

[jade rapids]

Next week

[random juniper]

Like 8,9 or 10 pm

[jade rapids]

The website has a countdown

Use that

[blissful onyx]

Anyway crafting in this league will probably also be OP anyway

[agile hemlock]

Accessing gear being excessively hard annihilates build variety

[blissful onyx]

Easier access to commodity currency, recombs, unique sink for runes

[jade rapids]

There is no real argument for making crafting harder

[blissful onyx]

Crafting GG items currently is not hard

[jade rapids]

Only the top 1% will benefit

[blissful onyx]

Not hard at all

[thorny pond]

Can we just ban that toxic ass behavior

[blissful onyx]

It's just a matter of 'do you have a squad farming divs for you to buy enough locks'

Then you craft a mirror item for X build and sell it to plebs for the next 3 months

[jade rapids]

I mean for me crafting is very confusing,but I also don't get to craft much because I don't have the money

[thorny pond]

I wish people/companies would be more willing to call out and ban toxic behavior

[blissful onyx]

Currently the best endgame crafting methods all involve the same basic methodology

[jade rapids]

High barrier to entry since the good crafts require multiple docs per each attempt

Divs

[blissful onyx]

Crafting leagues like necrop change up the formula and let solo players access some of that ability typically reserved for a few people who play the game for a living

Because to craft a mirror tier item usually takes about 3-5 mirrors worth of currency

[jade rapids]

Some people are insecure and need to feel superior

It's a shame I had a concussion for necropolis, never had a chance to mess with it

Looking forward to clash of clans boat league though

[blissful onyx]

There's an argument to be made for making crafting harder by limiting currency, but also making it more accessible by streamlining the process

This is kinda what LE does

That system also has its downsides

[jade rapids]

LE's system is interesting

[blissful onyx]

But people tend to speak more favorably of it

[jade rapids]

We don't really know, but POB now has a "trending builds" tab

I'm gonna try ground slam slayer from ziz

[blissful onyx]

Just go watch spicysushi's stream

He's got a whole spreadsheet

tier lists are like 99% opinion

[jade rapids]

The real tier list is what happens a week from launch

Looking at poe ninja

[noble python]

trickster is also great, because it can pivot into so many builds

[jade rapids]

I don't really understand yet how to have a league starter that can pivot easily

Though I guess this league is probably a good test for using gold to respec

Yeah, it's just annoying to spend another six to eight hours leveling up again

[noble python]

Yeah

[jade rapids]

I mean maybe less than that, if you buy some good leveling uniques and stuff

Time is precious

[noble python]

I'm planning to be more efficient this league

[jade rapids]

One of my friends wants to farm oni goroshi lol

[blissful onyx]

You pick an ascendancy that's versatile for defense and offense, then build a tree skeleton that has easy access to various skill archetypes

[noble python]

like accomplish the same league goals but in less hours played

[jade rapids]

Yeah but that requires an understanding of each of the archetypes and which part of the trees are good for them

[blissful onyx]

Yeah

That's why I just steal them from content creators

[jade rapids]

Nice

Eventually I want to make my own build

[blissful onyx]

Listen, poe is about working smarter not harder

[jade rapids]

I have 1,200 hours but I've only gotten to red maps like four times

Never beat shaper

[blissful onyx]

This isn't counting time before steam

[jade rapids]

Where's the gem that paths through maps for you

[lime crypt]

so true, 6h fubgun still makes 10x the money compared to average guys playing 15h per day

[noble python]

I plan to eventually work on refining my own builds also. To get to that point you need to be able to copy an established build+min-max it to where a build creator's is

so many damage sources, come from different buckets which add up overall

and cause damage to balloon

[jade rapids]

I could make a build to get through white maps easy

But yeah I don't understand how to scale for the late game

[blissful onyx]

It depends on your build

And skill

There's only a few scaling options that work well

[noble python]

You need a ton of experience with POB

[blissful onyx]

Probably the easiest and most accessible is crit

[jade rapids]

Most leagues I play, if the Lee starter I pick sucks I stop playing lol

So many times I've gotten to yellow maps and just hit a wall scaling wise

[blissful onyx]

Scaling crit is intuitive and simple

[jade rapids]

One time I did like fire Nova mines

[blissful onyx]

A lot of people will be playing attack skills this league and crafting crit gear

[jade rapids]

Kept dying in t10 maps

[blissful onyx]

Scaling defenses is more complex

[jade rapids]

Part of me was wondering if I could find a build that was off meta and sell pickaxes to the gold miners, so to speak

[blissful onyx]

And most of the time people dying in early mapping are doing so for a couple reasons

1. negative chaos res
2. not enough recovery

[noble python]

FYI, there's a reason content creators get known for mastering single builds

It's because there is so much detail in every build

[jade rapids]

Yeah it's just a complicated game

For affliction I did slayer bone shatter, but my trauma stacks overwhelmed my recovery

[noble python]

I started with Boneshatter in Affliction league also

[jade rapids]

Which ascendancy

I wish I would have done Juggernaut

[noble python]

Jugg

But, I moved away from it

and eventually played a Penance Brand Trickster actually

[jade rapids]

I wonder what the mobs in this League mechanic will be like

Oh that sounds interesting

[noble python]

PB Trickster of Dissipation was busted. That was the first league I completed every boss, including Uber variant

[jade rapids]

I hate leagues where you're forced to interact with the mechanic during the campaign

Much easier to die

[blissful onyx]

lol people were asking here if they should run slayer or jugg boneshatter

And a few people were saying slayer is bait

And it is

WIthout good gear you just die

[jade rapids]

The new endurance charges seem cracked

So jug just seems like the natural option

[noble python]

Jugg gets attack speed+accuracy built into ascendancy

[lime crypt]

pretty much describe last league, no way to turn it off

at least affliction had the choice to not enter wildwood

[noble python]

Slayer has some niche things. I considered it. (Tainted Pact+Golden Rule with overleech+endurance charge stacking) but ultimately decided against it

[jade rapids]

I remember getting my teeth kicked in in Perandus league

That was a tough time leveling

[noble python]

Out of all leagues, Ancestor has given me the "best" longterm value via standard from tattoos

[jade rapids]

Tattoos were so cool

They're back right

[noble python]

I still have ~10 original tattoos which are worth multiple mirrors together

I got to level 100 in Tota league just from the league mechanic

[lime crypt]

were tattoos made core in necropolis?

[noble python]

Yes, but the early ones are still super expensive

For instance "Flasks applied to you have 8% increased Effect"

https://poe.ninja/economy/standard/tattoos/tattoo-of-the-tawhoa-makanga

[lime crypt]

that shit gonna be even more pricy with tincture next league

[noble python]

or this https://poe.ninja/economy/standard/tattoos/journey-tattoo-of-makanui

nice

Farming TOTA was my only mirror drop in 3 leagues

[graceful fox]

I wonder how league will be rebalanced for ruthless

gravecrafting completely broke the mode for 3.24

hopefully shipments don't do the same

[noble python]

I think certain builds will be way harder to min-max

[graceful fox]

but still feel worth doing

[noble python]

but we have recombinators

that was in a league I never played

So I'll have to learn the mechanic

[graceful fox]

We don't have proper recombinators

not as they were in sentinel

and for ruthless I doubt that will be very accessible

gold for respec is huge for us though

unless we get very little gold or it costs a lot more

[noble python]

TBH, the "rare" enchants for weapons will be really good

[graceful fox]

they don't work on uniques sadly

[jade rapids]

It's kind of annoying that for the currency trade, You have to pay gold for each unit if currency you want to get

[graceful fox]

That's not annoying, that stops it from being abused by bots

[jade rapids]

True

[graceful fox]

you have to go do maps and kill mobs to use it

[noble python]

I'm speculating people will make mirror tier gear with recombinators, then finish it with a specific enchant

like the Nimis one or something for projectile builds

[graceful fox]

some enchants will be buildaround

[jade rapids]

It all depends on how much gold we do or do not get

[graceful fox]

if WoE's 'counts as dual wielding' can be put on other 2 handers that's gonna get funny

[flat egret]

what are some skill gems projected to be the most popular this league?

[harsh bone]

assuming we can use fracture/synthesiszed items and the chances are the same. Then everyone can do it. Which I hope is the case

[graceful fox]

from what teasers have shown, trading was costing a handful of gold per trade and recombinating was costing like 50000g

mark said the currency exchange won't feel accessible early on but by the midgame it should feel cheap to use

you are ultimately paying for the privilege of having trades happen while you carry on mapping

[jade rapids]

I remember seeing in that trailer that trading a div for chaos cost like $100,000 gold

[noble python]

I haven't given a ton of thought to the new trading feature, except I probably will initially use it to exchange currencies when the traditional bulk trading tool fails

[jade rapids]

Since they wanted about 200 chaos

It will make buying essences a lot easier

I wonder if the currency exchange will make some League mechanics less valuable

I'm sure people will want essences, but usually the strategy was to overcharge for bulk

There will be some sort of meta with the currency exchange

[harsh bone]

If it stacks, then it's a farming strategy. The average player will be a shit ton richer. We no longer have to have Play time & Shop opening time

I can use my time to play, and sell while offline

Trade market is a must for anyone who has a life

Insane we lasted this long without it lol

[noble python]

honestly, one thing people haven't really mentioned is bulk farming+trading a certain currency for a different one.

[jade rapids]

Yeah this is definitely going to be a boon for the casual player

[noble python]

Like, in heist you can have currency converted to other currency with a trinket

not sure how efficient that could be

[jade rapids]

I do wonder if we'll see weird exchanges

Like GCP for whetstones or something

[sleek flame]

so i know there is some math you can do to figure this out but im unsure of how the formula works. im curious as to which one of these will do more bleed dmg mainly because the differrence in effectiveness of added damage as well as the less damage multiplier.

[harsh bone]

Probably will be available, but I doubt any of them will take off

It's so much easier to just have a main trading currency

but if you want something specific or have a ton of it, im sure you gonna find offers

Just be ware that most of them are a scam in terms of conversion lol

[native sonnet]

rates are probbaly gonna be quite different from what every1 is used to

with every1 liquidating their small currencies en mass/ converting upwards

[harsh bone]

Yeah with how easy everything is going to shuffle around the playerbase, it's gonna be so different

[flat egret]

any ideas about which skill gems will be the trendy ones?

[jade rapids]

I wonder if this will make chaos a stronger currency

It's already the defacto "dollar"

[native sonnet]

i can see both divine and chaos worth more relative to the others

[harsh bone]

I wonder if smaller currencies will be devalued or go up in price. I feel like initially they'll be lower then go up in price as people want more of them

[flat egret]

they arent currency they are "tickets for fun".

[jade rapids]

I wonder what alterations will look like

[harsh bone]

3:1 is my guess

[jade rapids]

This league will definitely be significantly different than any we've played before

[native sonnet]

it also make bulk sellers less competitive/ less able to surcharge bulk pricing

[jade rapids]

Yeah I don't think bulk sellers will thrive

Although you are limited to 10 trades at a time

[native sonnet]

since buyers can just buy 1k alts from 200 diff players instead of u with the bulk

[harsh bone]

Yeah it changes how flipping works. Kinda sad. I just learned how to flip properly in 3.24 lol, but this is so much better

[jade rapids]

You know, I bet you could do a real economical analysis with this league

Flipping is stupid anyways

[flat egret]

you always could no?

[jade rapids]

Well yes you always could

[native sonnet]

some1 might write another thesis on this for their phd

[jade rapids]

But I'm really curious to see how much the economy will change

I feel like it's a significant shake up

[native sonnet]

ppl already did with the old trade/economic system for their phd lol

[jade rapids]

You can't charge premiums for saving people time anymore

Well theoretically

[harsh bone]

Not really, the flipper was a version of a trade market that people use. He was the middle man

It makes everything easier for everyone for a fee

[jade rapids]

Yeah you're just paying for convenience not value

Which is why house flippers are stupid too

[harsh bone]

Yeah so it was fine, but not a solution i'd like the game to keep

Hopefully flipping will be much harder with trade market

[jade rapids]

I think people will still try to undercut and buy out lower trades

But it's so easy for someone to list below market price

[harsh bone]

I just hope the market won't be so fked. I just want to farm w/e I want then put sell orders and log off

Not having to dictate time to sell stuff is so nice

[noble python]

it'll be based on supply/demand

If you farm a currency people want, they'll trade for it at market rate

[cursive glen]

So we gonna have our own little town now with a ship and house and stuff?>

[harsh bone]

disregarding the prices as long as I can just set the price and forget.

[flat egret]

one thing that i was thinking about, in the event of poetrade site being able to handle all its trade with "buy this" functions or similar. Looking at poe economic history and patterns, i'd say any and every item for sale ever would end up in the hands of whoever is the richest, person or group 😄

Its a funny consequence.

[harsh bone]

Exactly. A better hideout

[flat egret]

It would be nice if the town was globally progressed but ill take this league and enjoy it nontheless

[harsh bone]

That would be so bad though. No sense of progression. You'd log in and the town is already built from everyone playing day 1

[jade rapids]

Just like a Minecraft server

[harsh bone]

I doubt it takes more than 1 day of gold farming to max the town anyway

A session in T16 and you go from 0 to fully built

[flat egret]

i like social mechanics so whatever i suggested, just imagine it being not boring in the way you think 😄

[jade rapids]

I feel like the town buildings will be time gated

Like it will take real hours to build something

[harsh bone]

It would be cool to have features that are only achieved by community contribution. Like a special worker that everyone get if X amount of ships sent by X date

[native sonnet]

yes/no, the resource processing takes time, but building seems to be instant from the video?

[jade rapids]

I think I'll be surprised if you could max out the town in one day

[harsh bone]

It won't. Everything is instant. Quinn was saying he wants this on the podcast yesterday lol

[steep grotto]

Can someone explain to me why gear quality giving "more" instead of "increased" matters so much? It's not like you can get other sources of "more" on gear anyways

[jade rapids]

Oh gotcha

[flat egret]

In some ways, the seasons are more or less like this, over time, people and builds are enabled and the landscape shifts. So a nice complement would be inseason progression as well. But now im day dreaming, really hyped for whole asstown

[lime crypt]

I never understand this part about poe, totally contrary to real life where wholesale is always considerably cheaper than retail

[daring herald]

Need the damn challenges to post already

[harsh bone]

Processing / smelting / other actions takes time. Kalguur takes 15 hours to get to and back

[jade rapids]

That's because shipping some other quantities of items multiple times cost more money than one big shipment

In PoE there are no logistical costs

[harsh bone]

It looks like an incredibly fun mechanic that I wana play for months not just a week

[native sonnet]

there's no other sources of more that interact with the values of ur weapon/armor

most gear,lets say phys weapon for example usually has at least 160 or even 200% + increased phys dmg on itself
quality being additive with this suffers diminishing return, whereas being a more multiplier results in higher dmg

[flat egret]

its the precursor to poe mobile. exile management 😄

[jade rapids]

As a more casual player, I like the idea of being able to get passive income

I don't have to be a no-lifer to participate in the league

[harsh bone]

I like the idea, I'm just not a fan that everyone is pretty much getting the same passive income

I hope there's enough variance

[jade rapids]

That is a good point

[harsh bone]

Might as well send us 5d daily if that's the case. Kinda boring

[lime crypt]

passive income is the dream of everyone, and even in life, not just in game

[native sonnet]

lol, the variance might be what more than ppl like once we figure out the mechanics

[flat egret]

looks like enough variables in town game to create unique progression

[jade rapids]

Just wait two weeks for someone to do all the math

[lime crypt]

I notice a cap of slaves you can hire, wonder if you can increase that cap

[jade rapids]

And then everyone's towns look exactly the same

[flat egret]

I like how Mark looks for binary dependencies and just deletes them, im sure he would hate "one town" season 😄

[harsh bone]

Yeah since each crop/ingot gives you back a different reward, people could choose what they want
But realistically, everyone will be sending out wheat for more currency lol

I'm not 100% sure it's wheat, but yeah that's what I remember

[native sonnet]

yeah its wheat for currencies

[lime crypt]

and also depending on which game content you play, if you bossing or sanctum, may forget about all those ores

[harsh bone]

6 seems to be the cap for shipments, but 90+ for the whole town

[native sonnet]

but i imagine there are more ways to manipulate the reward and its gonna make a huge difference when the strats eventually gets leaked on reddit

[harsh bone]

Since you can send 3 goods, you gonna send wheat for currency, w/e for uniques for a chance of MB, and then will see the third one

[native sonnet]

pretty much every league mechanic has been like that, like tota strats, necrop grave crafting, recombinator etc

u can send more than 3

[flat egret]

i never visit reddit for poe strats i just interact with the game and analyse my gut feeling 😄

[harsh bone]

It's not efficient to send more than 3 per shipment if we can't farm inifnite resources

Since each place pays double for 100 of 3 goods

[lime crypt]

but this time though, I doubt the veterans will optimize this one better than the ones that have great experience with base building games

[native sonnet]

depends, we dont know the full mechanics yet

[harsh bone]

It depends on if the shipments scale multiplicatively or not

If 100 gives you 2 divines, 200 gives 4, 300 gives 8 then sending more is good

[native sonnet]

doubt, dust is the scaling multiplier

[harsh bone]

but if it's a static 2 per 100 wheat then sending 100 is more efficient

Ohh right

[flat egret]

dust?

[jade rapids]

Do keep in mind that shipments have a chance of just being destroyed

[native sonnet]

the dust u get from disenchanting

[harsh bone]

Then sending max wheat to double down on everything is the way to go

I wana know how fast we can farm crops like wheat

They didn't show that

[jade rapids]

I hope shipments that give you items actually contain good items

[native sonnet]

that giga shipment at the bottom with 30k dust and a ton of other mats

[harsh bone]

I think they have items 2.0 with good rolls? But not sure

[harsh bone]

Wasn't that 3 divines lol

[native sonnet]

the 2nd shipment also had 6? divines

[harsh bone]

Yeah

and 0 dust

[native sonnet]

well we dont know if 0 dust

just that it didnt send all the other mats

[harsh bone]

And the last shipment came from kalguur, supposed to be the best rewards

[native sonnet]

it couldve sent 100k dust without other stuff so the dust is higher up there and blocked by the UI

[harsh bone]

Isn't the dust at the bottom shows you how much you sent?

like the last shipment was sent with 30k dust

and w/e the other currency is

[native sonnet]

dont think its dedicated position on the menu, but rather sorted

so if u send just wheat and dust it will be at the top

[harsh bone]

You're right

[harsh bone]

It's an exciting league for sure

I'm just worried about the shipping meta

hopefully there are interesting options than just pure wheat

[native sonnet]

i just hope there's enough short duration routes that i dont need to wait 8 hours/ only get to send them 2-3 times a day

[harsh bone]

Did they show how long another route takes other htan kalguur?

[native sonnet]

like sending a ship out in act 3/4 and getting back 2 stacks of chance orbs by the time u reach map would be so nice for buying maps off kirac

dont think so, also alpha values wouldnt read too much into them

like the mining speed they said they have significantly reduced it

[harsh bone]

That's is such a nice idea

[harsh bone]

yeah I was baffled when I saw mining 200 ores takes 1.44 hours lol

[lime crypt]

imagine getting a ship with a few div day 1, char power x100

[jade rapids]

Mageblood shipment day one

[native sonnet]

some1 will get it/post on reddit

[dark heath]

Does orb of chance on heavy belt really give mageblood?

[prime tree]

like playing the lottery gives you millions of dollars. yes

[native sonnet]

yes, just like buying lottery wins u the jackpot

[harsh bone]

Can a mirror drop?

[dark heath]

Lol

[jade rapids]

For a second, I thought you were asking if you could chance orb currency

That would be pretty funny

[south breach]

Is it worth playing ruthless for this league Kappa

[jade rapids]

Found the millennial

[south breach]

lol

[jade rapids]

I'll never understand masochist gamers

Like those factorio content creators that do stuff like "factorio but I cannot use the mouse at all or rebind keys"

[agile hemlock]

it's an interesting puzzle

[winged wedge]

I can't decide on a bleed glad build, but I will default to RonArray or Ziz if I can't make up my mind. Maaaaaybe Goratha, because he usually doesn't mess up

I don't want to do lightning strike or elehit, because I fear so many people will start with that

[lime crypt]

Coz masochists exist, simple as that, same as sadist, narcissist, and some other mentally ill people

[indigo fulcrum]

is autoexert skill gem available in quest reward in ruthless ssf?

[jade rapids]

Worried about gear prices?

[winged wedge]

A bit, I never have the patience to craft stuff for myself

[jade rapids]

The meta builds usually scale very well off shit gear

[winged wedge]

A good point. But I also plan on using my steam deck a bit more, so I think easy block + easy blood explosions will make for mindless mapping with few buttons

Plus Attrition to double my damage against more annoying bosses

[lime crypt]

True that for LS you have to be a bit mindful of your distance to the boss

[sonic stirrup]

Do you think poe is too fast and that you see too much content and think that you don't look at enough gear on the ground?

[violet nymph]

Was there a new OP league starter discovered in the last 2 days

[flat egret]

whats the most busted skill or build predictions?

[silver cave]

Speaking of ruthless, do we know how settlers mechanics are affected by ruthless?

Just ridiculously less gold?

[sonic stirrup]

We never do

[violet nymph]

We will all look at gear on the ground for 86 30% bases now

[sonic stirrup]

Well, that's pretty much a given, but we don't know the impact of that

[sonic stirrup]

Filters can tell you if you find one. That's not at all what I'm talking about

[violet nymph]

We will look at ground loot for random trays with tier 1 now too

Cuz recombs

Trash*

I wonder if double fracture with inf is back

[wraith saffron]

is replica badge of the brotherhood realistic for SSF ?

[devout osprey]

youre gonna be playing the full 3 months? maybe

[wraith saffron]

is it that hard to get ?

[devout osprey]

i can only speak of experience, but i know "Prohibited Library" discord got some stats

[raw crystal]

GGG cooked

Golden Age of ARPGs lately imo

And looking bright for the future too with PoE 2 on the horizon and things like Titan Quest 2, Last Epoch cycles and maybe even Grim Dawn 2 down the line

[flat egret]

POE is a genre not an ARPG 😄

[raw crystal]

True honestly

[flat egret]

stopped playing ARPG's when i started playing poe 🙂

[mild copper]

in this league ci stack int flicker strike raider is dead right

[flat egret]

ya think just going in blind with a marauder and just adapt to melee meta later will land me a boss killer build?

or are the bosskillers in another castle?

[vernal stream]

Almost there

[wraith saffron]

i quickly looked, from what i saw they got only 2 from 1000 runs... this shit will cost multiple divine

[devout osprey]

yeah, and hf farming the coins

cant just buy 100k coins from others in ssf

[wraith saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-cat-confused-confused-look-serious-gif-16884211

[scarlet mountain]

So you're telling me Ruthless is going to be a wonderful time?

[violet nymph]

Bros doing tricks on it

Back flips on it

[wraith saffron]

maybe you can have better chance to get the item by running lower level contracts

idk

[south breach]

I imagine Ruthless will be a better time than previous leagues probably.

[scarlet mountain]

Unless the rewards for the new mechanic are just that bad on ruthless.

[real tinsel]

how will witch and ranger survive this league? i heard the defenses arent favored with them this league

[raw crystal]

Admin he’s doing it sideways

[agile hemlock]

ranger is fine, witch will depend on how armor bases pan out or go LC.

[scarlet mountain]

100% suppress and stormshroud is basically the option for Ranger still

[maiden mural]

closer now

[grim basalt]

What builds u running?

[thin solar]

Can i finely make my big shield paladin this league or is it still shit

[rigid jetty]

Probably SRS Guardian. Maybe building Flicker later on. How about you?

[vestal mortar]

ughhh i can't decide

lol

Thoughts on carns slayer ground slam? I'm between that, bleedquake jugg, or archmage hiero frostbolts/ice nova

[scarlet mountain]

I'm just going Spectral Throw Raider because I ran it last league and had a blast, and the skill itself, claws and weapons in general just all got buffed.

[vestal mortar]

I did SST glad last league and it was okay

[scarlet mountain]

So the damage numbers will be much higher

[vestal mortar]

i quit early tho cause necropolis sux

[real tinsel]

are you excited with the city builder league

[vestal mortar]

I need the damn spinner wheel to choose lol

[vale glacier]

Is LA still good this league

[vestal mortar]

Idk I think so I love city builders

[rigid jetty]

By saying Raider you mean Warden right?^^ just in case you missed something

[real tinsel]

city building games are comfy

[vestal mortar]

really wish cities skylines 2 was better lol

[scarlet mountain]

I've had the Warden changes on my mind so much that I didn't even give the right one. Deadeye was my option

Spectral Throw needs that +2 projectiles to feel good

[thin solar]

I'm probbably going to run bigshield aura summon guardian, even though its been a shit build for the last 40 leagues

I just want my fantasy of being a paladin with a summon

[rigid jetty]

As long as you have fun and arent really into the maximum div/hour farming stuff you should be fine i guess ^^

[devout osprey]

3 hours ish before it starts

[harsh bone]

~20 hours

[glad merlin]

What time in EU new league resets tomorrow?

[grizzled moon]

https://www.pathofexile.com/

in 24½ hours

[glad merlin]

So like 10 pm

Damn that’s late

[grim basalt]

Im stuck between two ideas: Power Siphon Trickster which I'll pivot into int stack. Has a top end of around 24m single target. But crazy clear.

Or shield crush slayer, which clears solid (not wand level), but tops out at like 50m+ DPS.

[dusk ruin]

Hey guys, quite new to PoE, played one league tho. Anyway what ddo you think about a build using Firestorm? I found one on the PoE vault website and reading the description it looks solid but i havent found any other build for that gem anywhere else so cant realy compare
https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/firestorm-inquisitor-build-guide

Is this going to be bad or something?

[haughty oracle]

god, what are the chances of the currency market being buggy ? :E

[pure charm]

i can imagine there being a huge bug where people are just gonna get infinite currency with it

[gritty basin]

I'd like to beleive that GGG will have tested for that sort of bug.... but there's no testing quite like having the whole playerbase able to try and break something

[grim basalt]

I doubt you'll be able to get inf currency

[gritty basin]

inb4 you can, but it's just inf wis scrolls

[obsidian swift]

I can work with infinite wis scrolls.

[violet nymph]

Auto id is kinda op

Can create some crazy filters

[odd gate]

honestly pretty low, this kind of thing is easy to stress test (compared to finding broken interactions during gameplay)

and is removed from the general bugginess of the confines of a game engine

[elfin warren]

I have date tmrw but Settlers starting, not sure ...

[twin girder]

LA Deadeye or Slayer flicker for league start ?

[agile hemlock]

LA deadeye will probably feel stronger

[noble python]

that's what I'm doing also

[harsh bone]

I top at conditional 8m with two skills and im happy

[noble python]

Trickster

[devout bramble]

man 'im so upset pathfinder was murdered defense wise

finding a build that's equivelent just feels impossible

it's either warcry piano, awful clear, awful damage or awful defense

and i'm fine with bad clear but it's hard to know if it can clear stuff like breachstones or incursions

[spark harness]

I like power siphon but I really want ralakesh with it and it will probably be stupid expensive for the first week

[grim basalt]

Yeah I should probably be happy with with 20s/30m DMG and big defense. And then roll something else with big currency.

Maybe something dumb like marionette auto bomber after.

[agile hemlock]

Power Siphon should sustain at least power charges very comfortably, and you're trickster, so their duration is high.

[odd gate]

half the builds in the game want ralakesh now

[agile hemlock]

How do wanders get frenzy charges actually

Mines have charged mines

[odd gate]

mark mastery

[spark harness]

Should have just kept the move speed on them and make it t0

[agile hemlock]

Mark mastery makes sense

[harsh bone]

If it's not RF it's not a true build

You do enough damage to kill everything in T16 and you never die

Nothing beats it

[agile hemlock]

T16, truly a bar

[harsh bone]

I mean is there anything farmable after T16?

Bosses are a scam & boring

You can sell T17

You're all good

[agile hemlock]

T17s were the meta farming spot, wdym?

[harsh bone]

Sure, but I couldn't make it work for RF so just selling the maps and enjoy the blasting is fine

I'd rather spend 30 seconds per T16 than 5 minutes per T17

You can make enough currency in T16

[agile hemlock]

You can make enough currency doing T1s

Doesn't make a build whose limit is T1 Alvas a good build

[harsh bone]

Eh beasts isn't fun

Alva works too yeah, but im against time consuming mechanics

[harsh bone]

It is for that strategy

If that's what you wana do all league

I just wana clear T16 in 30 seconds without stoping to cast a skill

[agile hemlock]

Fair enough

It's just not a high bar

[harsh bone]

I mean I personally dislike every mechanic. So I just play vanilla pretty much

I just farmed corpses in 3.24 with 0 mechanics

[grim basalt]

I like all mechanics usually my builds can't survive long enough

If my power siphon fails me shield crush will carry me 😂

[harsh bone]

What would be a reasonable bar in your eyes?

[harsh bone]

If you can kill them fast enough you can survive ;p

[agile hemlock]

Ubers, T17 maps, some of the easy valdos, inscribed ultimatums, simulacrums, 1500 delve.

[harsh bone]

It would be awesome being able to do these tbh. I've never even attempted any of them

[agile hemlock]

I do believe it is possible, but expensive, to do them on RF

[harsh bone]

I would like to find another build that I could enjoy for long sessions and get to the bars you mentioned

[twin girder]

even with flicker buff ?

[agile hemlock]

Yeah

[agile hemlock]

Good luck!

[twin girder]

LA Deadeye must be really good then

[agile hemlock]

It is

Or well, flicker is just kind of weak. You play flicker because you enjoy flicker.

[twin girder]

is crouching tunas la deadeye build great to start with ?

[agile hemlock]

If it's updated to 3.25 yea

[copper lotus]

is this the last league before poe 2 open beta?

[sonic canyon]

Depends on how long the league lasts and exactly when the early access comes out.

If it's 3 months and early access launches in November or later, there could be another league that comes first.

[harsh bone]

3.25 will be extended to 5 months at least

Source: Trust me bro

[copper lotus]

kind of nuts to think about

[harsh bone]

It's such a good league to get extended and work more on poe2 beta launch

[copper lotus]

i dont mind longer leagues i had some gap years so i have piles of content to do

[sonic canyon]

I don't think they'll go as far as dragging out a league to 5 months, but we'll see.

[harsh bone]

Leagues are already 4 months now

[sonic canyon]

Yes, and up until Necropolis, that was considered to be delayed/extended. The 4th month doesn't tend to see many players, so a 5th would be basically empty.

[harsh bone]

Probably will be the case, but with the time gating, sunk cost with gacha style gameplay, trade market

I can see it getting extended

I'd be surprised if it's not 5 months tbh

Your map runners will always be dying, making you constantly replacing them

Getting 90+ perfect workers

The limited ores you have to play a ton to farm them and constantly send ships

Unless it's terrible in practice, it's has longevity on paper

[gloomy thicket]

is lacerate gladiator a good league start in settlers league?

the one made by zizaran

[grizzled moon]

should be

[high fossil]

Yeah, it looks like a solid build

[zenith fjord]

Anyone knows how the league mechanic will work in party?
And gold as well?
Will everyone get separately or only the host?

[mossy matrix]

no

if we have 4 month league, this should end somewhere in December, so we have to have league start before even 2025

let alone the fact, that poe2 will probably at least in February

[mossy matrix]

my guess is that gold itself will be similar to what we have with expedition

other resources though, yeah it may be not that good

[zenith fjord]

Uhm.. sadly i only played 5 days with my duo but like.. in 2 weeks 5 days 😂

[mossy matrix]

in expedition there is an autopickup, so everybody in proximity receive expedition non-tradeable currency

[zenith fjord]

Ahh i see, so i guess i need to start a solo to do something with my part. because as an aurabot i wont be able to do much lmao

[mossy matrix]

let's see how GGG solved this problem

as technically you need workers to get resources

[zenith fjord]

Yeah in the Q&A i didnt see any party related question sadly

[mossy matrix]

I don't think you can get resources fro mthe same mine

[zenith fjord]

I mean i can imagine how powerful it would be if 4 of us would start same ship etc and would just flow in the currency, but maybe its just me, i really hope it will work in party because i dont really play poe alone 😄

[sonic canyon]

Early access for PoE2 is expected to be in November, due to comments by Trevor, the Console Game Director.

https://www.youtube.com/live/g_wwwme3V68?feature=shared&t=170

[worldly nova]

so excited. you nerds ready to go?! TOMORROW IS THE DAY!!!

[zenith fjord]

Imagine me telling my boss i dont work on friday and weekend because my game is more important than my work (fun fact my mother is my boss lmao)
But yeah i wont go to sleep until next day 8am or so, so i can sleep until the league starts, so i can play the whole league start without being tired, yeah.. i kinda do this every league start 😄
Funny right?

[worldly nova]

Realistic, lucky your mom is your boss! My boss would fuck me up if i did that xD! Yeah im staying up til 7am when the kids wake up xD.

i can quit all my stupid idle phone games. this city builder aspect is dope af

[zenith fjord]

Hahaha thats kinda.. yeah true lol
And imagine me starting with my party, and when my party goes to sleep, i instantly start making my solo character 😄

[worldly nova]

Im full solo, i dont think my friends are gonna play 😦 its okay i like solo anyway

[zenith fjord]

I cant play solo.. im not even playing any games when my friends are offline, like.. i really like to play in coop 😄

[dreamy apex]

isnt the kirac vault pass revealed before league start? is it on the day of league start

[timid solstice]

is there a currated list of crafts that we can use from unique items yet?

[south breach]

Been a while, any good loot filters for this league?

[grizzled moon]

neversink

[tawny pasture]

Can be few day into league

[round sluice]

Thoughts on if the Nature's Concotion node (flasks near tinctures charges gained on hit with a melee weapon) will work with the Warden passive that makes tincture effects apply to ranged weapons?

[grim basalt]

Never sink is good for all league all the time

Unless you need some super custom stuff

[brazen obsidian]

Are we going to settle tomorrow?

[high fossil]

21 hours and change

[short blade]

not really, maybe tomorrow at lunch some data mining will have occured from the patch

but the few images we've seen don't give a lot of info outside of a few "these exist" but not neccessarily what they can be used on

[distant swift]

so launch is 8pm utc and queue usually opens what 1 hr before?

[high fossil]

The servers go down for patching 3 hrs before launch, and queues open once the patch is ready. That's generally 2-1 hour before launch, but it varies

[neat junco]

any idea if divine ire/storm burst will still work?

idk if this affects the build that much

[flat egret]

What will happen to my totem MTX now that totem is removed

[high fossil]

Mtx applying to skills/content removed from the game will be refunded

I assume that's an automatic process because otherwise the support team would pretty much die, but i don't know the details for certain

[paper rover]

guys any atlas tree for league start?

[pulsar creek]

Someone tag a mod to post that the torrent is out since 45min ago

[tiny urchin]

will lighting arrow still viable for league starter 3.25?

[flat egret]

thanks

what do you all think are the bosskiller melee builds this season?

[grim basalt]

Frost blade slayer

Warden ls

[nimble venture]

I dont think they'd kill the only bow skill people use

[reef igloo]

what times does the new season come out is it 11am?

[devout osprey]

pathofexile.com <-

[sterile brook]

The PC and Console realms will go down and patching begins at: <t:1722013200:F>
The servers go live for PC and Console at: <t:1722024000:F>

[lime crypt]

LA got buffed slightly

[flat egret]

So what's in the box

[scenic flax]

will magic find be "good" this league?

heard it was bad last league but i have no idea on what the mechanic works

[high fossil]

Most unique items that had item quantity mods had them removed

MF as we knew it is dead

There will be new ways to optimise drops, i think someone had a MF culler of some kind floating around, but most strategies are still to be developed.

[flat egret]

I just want to know what mtxs will be the gambe

[lime crypt]

a good magic find is a dead magic find, that's what happen to next league

[flat egret]

I got the gold character effect. It could be nice with the blood effect on penance set 🙂

Blood on gold is 🤌

[scenic flax]

i see

is magic find a mechanic that people hated on?

[high fossil]

It skewed a lot of the endgame motivations, and the economic side of things

It was a reasonable concept that got entirely out of hand

[lime crypt]

Last league the 1% was responsible for 90% unique item drops, dev saw that and deciced to destroy magic find once and for all

[flat egret]

I like it when the Devs delete stuff 🙂

[copper dune]

Specifically IIQ (Increased Item Quantity) is the the problem. There are so few sources of it and it is a scaling coefficient for MF that is felt mandatory to take every garbage unique item that had it. This meant that most MF culling builds were like 60% the same build and it was boring.

Removing IIQ while leaving IIR (Increased Item Rarity) dramatically increases the amount of possible builds in the game for an MF centered character. All of those IIQ uniques can now be replaced with random crafted Rare items that have an IIR affix instead. This is a big win as MF folks won't feel cornered into running a very specific build that is boring.

[paper rover]

hey what do you guy think is better for making money, Delirium or Bestiary?

[scenic flax]

i mean we don't know what will drop money and how much yet right

but i assume anything with lots of mobs

[arctic cargo]

between a slam build and archmage what would yall recommend for leaguestart

[reef igloo]

slam

i cant decide if i go ice nova or ele hit deadeye

[unreal mist]

Please tell me the league comes out at midnight

[sweet elk]

Anyone else's torrent speed really slow for predownloading patch?

im downloading 0.3 mbps and uploading 1.2 mbps somehow lol

[high fossil]

That's how torrents work, it'll speed up once people start seeding

[thick torrent]

torrent?! o.O

[pulsar juniper]

the time found in the latest announcement in #old-game-news is in your local time.

[high fossil]

If you've got slow internet you can predownload a chunk of the patch via a torrent

[sweet elk]

So you're saying some people are able to download it fast, and once it finishes the bandwidth frees up and they add to the bandwidth by seeding

lets hope thats how it goes

[thick torrent]

Thats interesting

[lime crypt]

surely your internet is not that bad 3h cannot finish downloading the patch right?

[native cedar]

Yall got ur names reserved? Just grabbed MarauderOfKalguur and PriestOfKalguur 😛

[high fossil]

I just slap a small personal prefix on mine, it's never taken then

[thick torrent]

i cant even decide what build to choose

[candid verge]

hi, is there a way to buy turtle hideout without paying for the entire supporter package? (90usd)

[high fossil]

https://wheelofnames.com/89m-vtb

Found on reddit

[thick torrent]

lol

[lime crypt]

be creative, don't rely on tools

[high fossil]

No, if it's in a supporter pack then it won't be hitting the store individually. Either pay up, or learn to do without, unfortunately

[candid verge]

it also gets removed from store tomorrow? when the patch hits

[grim basalt]

i spinned and got lighting strike slayer

but that build gonna be expensive asf

[candid verge]

what are you talking about

[grim basalt]

wheel of names

did you spin?

[candid verge]

where can i do it

[grim basalt]

https://wheelofnames.com/89m-vtb

[candid verge]

oh xD

[thick torrent]

Toxic Rain Ballista Pathfinder

[lime crypt]

just delete standard char and recycle the name, too easy

[pure blaze]

Heyy

I'm thinking about playing a divine retribution build ^^

[high fossil]

That's why it's Path, not Patch of Exile, because there's nobody c-ding

[grim basalt]

if had torrent i'd just download it to seed overnight

[tawny pasture]

?

[night coral]

so im assuming Oni-Goroshi and oros sacrifice wouldnt work with warden as she converts ignite to scorch orrr

[hasty perch]

yeah no oro

[acoustic light]

is settlers league good?

[vale glacier]

no

[acoustic light]

alright

[high fossil]

It hasn't started yet, but it looks really good.

[reef igloo]

i cant decied to do ice nova or ele hit spectrum

[neat cloak]

So what's the best way to force elreon on betrayal?

[lime crypt]

discard other till you find him

or just farm other endgame content and use currency to buy elreon veiled items, and I think this way is ways faster than wasting time farming elreon

unless you want to sell veiled crafting

[neat cloak]

@lime crypt I'm xbox...the market is trash lol

[lime crypt]

that's...really sad story

[vestal mortar]

is lacerate glad actually gonna be good or is it bait

[fallow harbor]

When does queue begin for league?

[tawny pasture]

about 2h before start

[high fossil]

It'll be good, but a lot of people will be playing it. So any popular/recommended items will see price spikes

[lime crypt]

there is a queue? usually how long? depending on server I guess

[high fossil]

If it all runs smoothly, the queue clears in like 10-20 minutes

[vestal mortar]

Isn't a bit of the draw that it doesn't have high end required items?

[tawny pasture]

i meanm , majority of melee build will use the same range of item

[tawny pasture]

it will need high end crafted weapon

some unique that everyone and their mother will want

[vestal mortar]

true of any build tho no lol

[high fossil]

Yeah, that was a pretty generic warning. I don't really have any particular items i'm thinking of, just "ugh, this axe would be great but it's 2 div instead of 2c"

[vestal mortar]

time to learn to craft phys weaps boys

[lime crypt]

my mother doesn't, my father does

[vestal mortar]

im just waffling between lace glad and slammer slayer

[lime crypt]

I hope queue not too bad, usually how long?

[vestal mortar]

not bad

just take a shower and make a snack then ur in

[edgy merlin]

I was about to reply with a gif of lace expecting a doily or something but I got half a screen of gifs of women in lingerie in public

[tawny pasture]

25-30k = 10-15 min

[vestal mortar]

or be ready to slam that LOGIN

[rocky vector]

I think the longest queue i've sat thru was about 30 minutes, but usually if its not a super hype league or a league with technical issues its a few minutes at most. if you are in early that much better.

[tawny pasture]

30m was years ago

[edgy merlin]

Theres always more leaguestart prep you can do in 30 minutes

You dont need to stare at the login queue

[rocky vector]

well I did say ever and I have been playing since the before times.

[edgy merlin]

Check your pob, get your bottled water, take your monthly shower

Leaguestart

First movers have market advantage

Everything is worth more

[lime crypt]

prep? what is that, just play

[vestal mortar]

@edgy merlin Lacey Gladys 🔥

[edgy merlin]

What are you gonna eat over the weekend

[lime crypt]

just have to ride that cow girl

[edgy merlin]

Unless someone cooks for you ig

[lime crypt]

only 1st day some microwaveable food, day 2 onwards back to normal healthy meals

[edgy merlin]

Damn I wonder if they sell microwave meals here

I havent had any in years

[lime crypt]

playing the game less hours but in a healthy, concentrated state, is ways better than longer hour yet sluggish and tired

[edgy merlin]

Yes but you could be healthier for longer

[lime crypt]

no worry, the ship will get me a mirror day 1

[edgy merlin]

I wonder how many peoplr are gonna be staring at their screen waiting for 10 min voyages

[native cedar]

I just dont get it man...

How tf can a free game make such good content league after league, but a $60 game w/ cosmetics and paid dlc's cant even come close to the potential this game actively plays out

[lime crypt]

because the $60 game people still happily pay that's why

[agile hemlock]

I mean, POE also has lootboxes, cosmetics, and other such monetization mechanics.

[lime crypt]

communism is bad because no matter how hard you work, you get paid the same as the ones slacking off doing half quality work
d4 vs poe is no difference

[native cedar]

D4 - which dont get me wrong, i love the diablo series, isnt even relatively close to being as good of a game as poe

[tranquil beacon]

What kind of analogy is that

[sonic stirrup]

It always feels a bit weird to pay for a game and then also pay in the game to look good and also for more content in it

[lime crypt]

the analogy is that if you get paid the same regardless of the effort you put in, you won't put in any effort

[sonic stirrup]

Though some might argue that poe in practice is a 20$ game

[tranquil beacon]

Reasonable argument

[lime crypt]

china stopped communism in 1976

no idea why propaganda still say they are

from 1976 onwards, china is dictatorship state capitalism, nothing to do with communism anymore except in the name of the ruling party

[sonic stirrup]

This sounds very offtopic

#offtopic time maybe

[lime crypt]

no country is absolute capitalist (some are absolute communist), most countries lie in a spectrum in between

so, what do you guy league start? old question asked for a million and 1 times already

[grizzled gyro]

archmage hierophant

but in classic poe fashion, i will probably change my mind last second

[sonic stirrup]

Reave of Refraction warden

[tawny pasture]

choose one for me

[sonic stirrup]

Dual wield phys claws, because I'm just a little bit insane

Well, honestly I kinda pick themes haphazardly

[lime crypt]

you have a dice? assign builds 1-6 and throw @tawny pasture

[sonic stirrup]

And then try to cook with it

[grizzled gyro]

i was planning to do some expedition this league, will archmage hierophant be enough to handle it?

[lime crypt]

same I will do expedition early to flip some div

archmage still very strong I guess, after they buffed so much last league

[grizzled gyro]

ight bet

[sonic stirrup]

If it was fine last league it's probably still fine

[gloomy thicket]

They didn't even touch archmage

[sonic stirrup]

Most spells only got hit in their leveling stats, and only very slightly in terms of added damage

Except DD which got shot

[grizzled gyro]

i left last league pretty early on so i wasnt following the new build trends, came back this league and saw archmage so i wanted to try it out

[agile hemlock]

inspiration nerf

[grizzled gyro]

should be good to go then

[gloomy thicket]

Be prepared cuz u won't have broken crafted wands like last league

Crafting might be the only prob possibly

[grizzled gyro]

that shouldnt be a problem, i didnt interact with the graveyard that much

[sonic stirrup]

Well, this league also seems like it'll pretty passively spit out loot

Though we also won't have super high end farmers shitting out magebloods

[gloomy thicket]

This league will create more unique crafts for sure tho

[neat cloak]

Can't decide jugg or chieftain rf. I'm on console and feel gearing might be easier for jugg?

[gloomy thicket]

Chieftan always for rf

[sonic stirrup]

And in terms of top power, a lot of spell builds that use rare weapons got buffed because of new enchantments

Also new anoints if relevant

[gloomy thicket]

It's just so much easier to build @neat cloak

[neat cloak]

@gloomy thicket okay ty...I can't wait

[tawdry plover]

Should be a buff to hiero no?

[gloomy thicket]

I'm planning to just start jugg and speedrun story through smth like sunder or boneshatter then see whats best

[lime crypt]

need to sleep early today, league starts at 3am in my place

[agile hemlock]

with indigon, but I don't think you usually get increased mana cost on hiero.

or was there an issue where you could get mana costs to 0?

[neat cloak]

@lime crypt 4pm in NY

[lime crypt]

good for you man

[tawdry plover]

I just meant bc hiero has 50% less

No one else gets less mana costs

[agile hemlock]

less mana cost is worse at reducing mana costs than reduced mana cost

once again, outside of indigon

[neat cloak]

@lime crypt idk i think id prefer 3am...

[tawdry plover]

You're going to have to explain cuz I'm not following

50% less × whatever reduced. Vs 88% less × reduced?

[lime crypt]

3am really messes up with my sleep cycle, lucky it's only day 1, then back to normal routine day 2

[agile hemlock]

50% less mana cost twice is 25% of mana costs, 50% reduced mana cost + 50% reduced mana cost = no mana cost

so if you took any reduced mana cost on tree, new inspiration is worse

which I believe you did on archmage

since 5% mana per cast is harsh (well, 2.5)

[tawdry plover]

I thought hiero would be additive because they are the same stat but I get that then

[agile hemlock]

less is the negative equivalent of more in POE

it just means reduction that is multiplicative

[tawdry plover]

I know more/less are multiplicative but I thought that was for unique stats. Not the same stat from different sources

[agile hemlock]

I mean, more spell damage from RF and pain attunement do multiply

[tawdry plover]

Fair yea I don't think I ever noticed

[sonic stirrup]

More or Less modifiers are always multiplied on separately and individually.

The time that it "isn't multiplied", is when it's literally just one modifier/passive that grans a #% more/less per #

Like for example "#% more damage per hex affecting the enemy" stacks additively per hex

[tawdry plover]

Yea I got it

[tawny fractal]

Do we know if the retaliation skills will share a cooldown? Like if I use one, will they all go on cooldown? To my knowledge that's not how cool downs usually work, but I could see them doing it so that you can't just make a build with as many as possible and just hit em when they trigger

[tawdry plover]

They don't have the line of text line guard skills or movement skills do

[sonic stirrup]

Well, you could use more, but that eats up your gem slots if you want them to actually have supports for damage

[vagrant elbow]

you guys think black morigon will be the eaisest way to get a six link?

[hollow marsh]

God I'm so torn. I don't have a clue what I wanna start tomorrow.

[vagrant elbow]

in ssf

[hollow marsh]

I'm torn between using a bow and going elemental hit are starting something melee since melee is getting buffed

[tawny pasture]

frost blade

[upper dragon]

i don't recall it being mentioned during the exchange video (cause its another feature just on the same NPC) but was there anything new about whether you can get uniques from the black market?

[native sonnet]

mark said "random rarity"

or "any" rarity, i dont rmb which

which imply u could get unique

[upper dragon]

guess we need to wait and see, but if you can, then gambo might be an ok way to try for tabula

depending on how much you wanna invest into the league

[odd gate]

depends on how rare it is, but probably yeah

just kinda ass cause you'd have to spec beasts

[vagrant elbow]

well, might be fun a bit of beasts

Does it have any level restriction?

wiki dosnt say anythuing

[upper dragon]

i'm not knowledgiable on beasts and beastcrafting they might have changed it between the last league and this one but

oh you level restriction mean on equipment?

[vagrant elbow]

no, i meant the zone

so it must be level 68 zones

or higher

wait, isnt that t1 maps?

[upper dragon]

even tier 17 maps don't technically go higher levels right? so probably all of maps

[vagrant elbow]

Well, Black morrigan t1 map, here we go :p