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[grim basalt]

ele hit bow warden might be kinda nutss

[fading cedar]

Elemental Hit of the Spectrum will be good, but also expensive probably

Something I could consider running, but I'll start with either Lightning Strike or Frost Blades

[indigo lotus]

i hope rupture gets added to pob soon, i want to cook up some varunastra crit bleed gladiator but I can't get a good handle on the numbers without that

maybe something like perforate with crimson dance could work for that since rupture stacks

[pulsar depot]

Anyone got a Low-Medium Budget League Start Golem build, can't find one but not finding one gives me hope the Golem gems will be cheap this season

But maybe they'll be more expensive because no one will farm them

[indigo lotus]

stone golem elementalist is solid enough and they all build the same

2x clayshaper, primordial jewels

[pulsar depot]

Ye, that sounds about right

[indigo lotus]

primordial chain is an option but not always recommended

[random trellis]

anyone match my freaks?

[pulsar depot]

I wish I had 2k laying around so I could do the thing where we make our own item and I could just force a good golem item into the game

[indigo lotus]

what would your ideal golem item be

[pulsar depot]

Like Golem Weapons are so doggie Doo that Golem players really should get a piece of gear that compensates for their total lack of stats aside from +1 golem

Maybe a chest piece that just gives you good defensive relative to the different number of golems... Id have to think about it

[indigo lotus]

there's also that suicide golems build if you want to do bossing that uses maw of mischief

[pulsar depot]

Hmmmmmmm that sounds kinda fun

Maybe I'll just be basic and do the skeleton swarm necromancer thing

[agile hemlock]

I think poison carrions necro is a thing

but that needs abyss jewels

[pulsar depot]

So I can farm T16's without much trouble

[indigo lotus]

blight is getting some fun buffs this league so any minion build would be dope

[indigo lotus]

chest that converts additional maximum power charges into additional maximum golems

[pulsar depot]

If I could get 10+ golems without damage output loss I would be SO HAPPY

Id play golems every season

[indigo lotus]

something that has battlemage for minions

[pulsar depot]

I hate getting to 8 golems and then being like "I guess I have to make that stupid sentinel thing to keep going"

Sentinel sucks

Based Sentinel Hater

[indigo lotus]

sentinel thing?

[noble python]

Any specific farm method people are looking at in Settler's? Or are we still waiting on more info on the way gold/village thing works?

[pulsar depot]

Ugh I can't remember the name I don't even look at it but the animate knight

I hate that thing

[indigo lotus]

oh animate guardian? that gives more golems?

[pulsar depot]

No

[indigo lotus]

tough to tell, anything map-blasty since the resources only spawn in maps, and lots of goodies are being added to T16s

[pulsar depot]

It's just like the best next step as a minion that you just sorta have in the background. All of the POB's for league starters talk about it

[reef quest]

I need BUILD friend for this season

[indigo lotus]

ah yeah just your personal mini aurabot

[reef quest]

I need 10cast per sec

[pulsar depot]

It's like, idk I just really hate Animate Guardian

[noble python]

ahhhh, good catch.

[indigo lotus]

anything cast on crit would do you fine

but they arent league starter

[indigo lotus]

expedition with the one big explosion is always quick, plus maybe ritual since it has the wildwood stuff being added?

that's what I'm gonna go with

[indigo lotus]

actually speak of the devil, since corpses are being added to ritual you can go with the marionette autobomber again this league

[pulsar depot]

:0 oh snap you right

Time to farm Ritual

[indigo lotus]

theyll be tradeable too, unless youre an SSF player

but methinks everyone will be trying out the currency exchange this league

[pulsar depot]

Nah I'm a basic league boy

[indigo lotus]

the two things i really want to play this league is volcanic fissure of snaking berserker with warcries, and some form of crit bleed gladiator using rupture

[noble python]

Was anything really added with heist?

I typically do heist early on

Ritual with wildwood is intriguing

[thorny pond]

Rupture looks good with high attack speed I think

[indigo lotus]

or just multi hits, it's why i was thinking about perforate

[indigo lotus]

nothing added, if anything it was nerfed since you cant get boss div cards anymore, but thats it

[noble python]

ah that sucks

[thorny pond]

Crimson dance + rupture might be the combo?

[indigo lotus]

that's what i was thinking, but that also means you cant go aggravated bleeds

so you have an extra skill point to throw at gladiator

hell you could maybe go dual wield block because of the double d effect of dual wielding node

20% more attack speed and 40% attack block implicitly

getting the lucky block node plus a couple dual wield block would probably be decent

[thorny pond]

I think people are sleeping on the double inherit bonuses of duel wield. Because the 50% shield block node is good. But also attack speed is a little harder to come by now

Since rage no longer gives attack speed outside of berserker

[noble python]

Is anyone planning on killing all bandits?

[thorny pond]

Not til end game if needed

[indigo lotus]

its still pro0bably the best option for non league starters

[noble python]

that's fair yeah

[indigo lotus]

otherwise im helping alira i think, maybe helping oak if i find a goldrim or something

[fading cedar]

I think movement speed is no joke

[noble python]

I was thinking of helping Alira, but I may pass on it entirely (if I plan to respec my starter later to an end build)

[indigo lotus]

its for sure a good chunk of movespeed, but i dont know if i care for it early

[indigo lotus]

well yo ucant skip it, its a mandatory quest

[noble python]

oh right...

[indigo lotus]

just help one and do the bandit swap vendor recipe to kill all later if you want

[noble python]

ahhhh ok

I didn't realize that was a thing, cool

[noble python]

sweet

ty

[indigo lotus]

o7

[pulsar depot]

Yo that's sick

[cunning yoke]

I was gonna flame you until I realized you weren't talking about the sentinel league mechanic lul

[pulsar depot]

Oh no I like the sentinel League mechanic that was fun, I am just an animate guardian hater

[cunning yoke]

AG is literally the worst skill in the game, I'm with you

[indigo lotus]

what if they add a transfigured version of it that makes it respawn with all of its equipment after killing X amount of enemies, but it's much squishier

[pulsar depot]

Anything so I don't have to click a button for it

It's the most unsatisfying button click in the history of keyboards

[indigo lotus]

someone's never played charged dash

[pulsar depot]

True

[cunning yoke]

Just give me a transfigured animate weapon where the weapons are permanent but super limited tbh. That'd be way cooler than AG.

[pulsar depot]

I have played Golemmancer 3 times, Righteous Fire once, Vaal Electric Arrow once, and Chieftain Reap/Bleed once

And then there was Krangle but I wasn't going for anything in that league but lvl 50

[reef quest]

explain

[indigo lotus]

if you want to be slinging 100 spells all over the screen at all times, just play cyclone cast on crit

tons of those builds for many spells around

[noble python]

Did GGG list if recombinators will behave differently than a prior league?

[grizzled moon]

no special mods atleast

[indigo lotus]

they did say it would be weaker

[cerulean sundial]

Will characters from 3.24 migrate to Standard Thursday or Friday?

[grizzled moon]

today

[noble python]

ahh ok

ty

migration appears to be 6pm est

[lucid axle]

did they say if maprunners can do unique maps as well ?

[grizzled moon]

doesnt seem like the reveal says

[violet nymph]

is there any good atlas tree out already for 3.25?

[sudden gull]

Do we happen to know if the new patch will patch the campaign crashes? I've been experiencing a ton especially after boss fights. I've seen several streamers also have to deal with them.

[silver kettle]

Friday's patch introduced some issues that can cause crashes, the end of league patch today should fix them

[sudden gull]

Cool, thanks for the update.

[bright crypt]

when can i start the download for settlers of kalgur on friday?

[tawny pasture]

3-4 before start its on steam normally

[silver kettle]

generally about 2 hours 45 minutes before the patch goes live

if you have a slow connection and are using the standalone client we also release a torrent the day before

[tawny pasture]

2h45 is really precise 😮 isnt last league the queue was already up ?

[silver kettle]

well servers always go down exactly 3 hours beforehand and then the patch distribution takes a little while to set up, which means it basically always does end up being within 10 minutes of that time

[sinful portal]

Coming back to PoE after a year break because of settlers league

Looks so great

[buoyant bough]

One might say GGG operates like clockwork, like some cogs and sprockets 🤔

[pseudo crane]

If I haven't played the last league will I have to download previous patches (Should I download them now to save time on launch day?) or just the new one, on the standalone client?

[tawny pasture]

wait the new one on launch day

[split whale]

what day is the league coming out?

[grizzled moon]

friday

[split whale]

holy hell that was fast thanks

[grizzled moon]

theres a countdown on the main site

[split whale]

gotcha

[smoky geyser]

BRUH they moved that all the way over by power charges

[dark heath]

Hallu been on here doing the lords work

[smoky geyser]

it was by chaos innoc

[sinful portal]

What's gonna be a decent build in the new league do you think?

[tawny pasture]

there is multiple one

[quiet moss]

what would be a good starter if i want to transition to holy relic of conviction at endgame?

[icy cliff]

What is better for a one build a league guy - Archmage Hiero or Hexblast Trickster

[golden urchin]

probably archmage hiero, hexblast can be good but it's mostly a sanctum build

[agile hemlock]

Hexblast trickster can run all content, but is worse than archmage

[mild quest]

what's optimal fastest mapping guy ?

[golden urchin]

there's way too many to list haha

archmage hiero will definitely be a good mapper with ball lightning or ice nova of frostbolts, or even DD of chain reaction

but there's tons of other builds on other classes you can do for a fast mapper, depends what you like

[kindred lichen]

@silver kettle hey is the added damage effectiveness of double strike of impaling supposed to only be 298 in gem info ? was showing 409 in patch notes

[silver kettle]

looks like the patch notes were giving the incorrect value, sorry about that. will pass that on to get them updated

[kindred lichen]

alright well thank you for the response

[past minnow]

Buy all the tamings now b4 change

[tawny pasture]

who care about std ?

not yet

[high fossil]

people who just got bad news from their doctor

[smoky geyser]

im sorry sir you have laser butt disease

[uneven prairie]

retaliation build?

[twilit hemlock]

dang so theres 12 new skills this league as well 👀

[civic raven]

Didn't play much necropolis due to being busy. But can anyone tell me why the changes to added gem damage, into % damage?

[tawny pasture]

why ? because they wanted to

[civic raven]

Was there...a reason?

[tawny pasture]

that how they wanted to balance gem

[high fossil]

Yeah, balance change. It makes weapon damage more important

[twilit hemlock]

anyone know if gold is going to be tradeable ?

[high fossil]

Gold will not be tradeable

[civic raven]

I dont think gold is tradable

[tawny pasture]

its not

[high fossil]

That is very much the point of gold

[cunning creek]

rip flicker ig?

[agile hemlock]

Flicker is a movement skill only

[tawny pasture]

Flicker dont have Travel tag

[agile hemlock]

Not a travel skill

[cunning creek]

oh right, keep forgeting it is not same tags

KEKL

[stark sandal]

What are some good leauge starters for running blight?

[agile hemlock]

Anything ignite works well

[vernal stream]

i know you can afk a bit with necro/minion setup

[stark sandal]

My first season where I completed atlas I ran blight with skele mage necro build but everyone tells me minions are in a very bad spot so I didn't know if there was a good viable minion build. Also spark looks pretty cool for blight being able to use the passive that makes spells open chests

[vernal stream]

ideally you focus blight maps with only 1 lane, just bulk buy them; not hard to run even with low end gear

just have the right tower combination

[sonic stirrup]

Bro didn't read patch notes nor the RAQ yet somehow heard that the taming is changing

The Taming now has 30-40% increased Elemental Damage with Hits and Ailments for each type of Elemental Ailment on Enemy (from 20% increased Damage with Hits and Ailments per Freeze, Shock or Ignite on Enemy). This change affects existing items,

[undone kestrel]

Boy I sure do hope there ANY way to bring your dead slaves workers back.

It sure would be frustating to get a worker that is 1 in a million, and have him die in a 99% chance sucess task.

(Which I can gurantee will happen, lots of times, to lots of streamers. Get ready for the Highlights)

[vernal stream]

or if they die, they go into a medical house and unable to be used for X hours

[undone kestrel]

Yep, anything in those lines.

[vernal stream]

but then again, they are normal people; not exiles like us

[pastel void]

what is the dang blade trap setup to slay merviel easy?

[primal halo]

is Archmage Hierophant good for sancrtum?

[wispy phoenix]

Anyone link me some pretty solid builds with a nice pob

[tawny pasture]

what is a nice pob ?

and solid for what purpose

[random juniper]

when will we get new mistery boxes? or at least a teasetr

[tawny pasture]

only once league is up

[random juniper]

dayumm

[violet nymph]

Used to be able to afk Uber blights with carrion golem necro

[sacred harness]

Update is out, time to mine baby

[tawny pasture]

mine what

[fossil egret]

https://tenor.com/view/code-purpose-of-life-matrix-gif-5601363

data

[glad musk]

is there any melee build viable to be a bosser? Is Cleave a good contender for it?

[indigo lotus]

anything on poe-vault or maxroll should have decently detailed pobs. keep in mind that most builds aren't going to be anything more than speculative yet, info is too new

[spark harness]

What build do you want though

[cinder garden]

Some gems with physical tag removed, so herald of purity doesn't work for it, right?

[high fossil]

Herald of purity's buff modifies your physical damage, it doesn't care if that damage comes from a physical skill

All the same skills that worked with HoP before will work the same

[cinder garden]

I see, but that skill gem can no longer be supported by support gems with physical tag right??

Like brutality support

To boneshatter

[high fossil]

Boneshatter sure does deal damage

[native sonnet]

doesnt matter the skill its supporting has phys tag or not

[high fossil]

And if that damage is physical, brutality will multiply it

[vernal stream]

what about this damage ;p

[high fossil]

Will it be physical damage, because you're using a phys weapon and not converting it?

Then brutality will work

[hoary dew]

I see people saying you can't exert retaliation skills, is there a reason behind why they say this?

[high fossil]

Oh lord, i am not paying attention to names, my bad

[vernal stream]

whats nice about retaliation skills is that they are auto-cast

[hoary dew]

I think they are just made available to use, not auto cast

[high fossil]

Man, don't misinform people this close to league launch, text-based sarcasm doesn't work

[hoary dew]

Gotcha, it was in the Q&A, thanks! That's unfortunate though, I wanted more multipliers and aoe on crushing fist!

[tawny pasture]

2193% aint enough ?

[vernal stream]

cannot be used by default, meaning it autocasts when you block every 2 seconds

[hoary dew]

I really just wanted the aoe tbh

[tawny pasture]

not at all

it mean to be used you need to block a hit within two second of a block

there is no autocast

[vernal stream]

ah I see it now, well least with gladiator you get 85% block chance with minimal investment.

wonder if I can bind it to movement key, that way it just auto procs when up

[tawny pasture]

they removed that in 3.24

[hoary dew]

I'm looking at the retaliation skills, but honestly it might just be too clunky. Once it procs you can use it once and then it has to re-proc. That is, unless you use the gladiator ascendancy node, which gives it a 50% chance to not be consumed on use or the new secret notable that gives a 20% chance

I also don't know what "retaliation skills have 20% increased speed" means

[silver kettle]

it's attack speed for attacks, cast speed for spells, warcry speed for warcries

just easier than saying alllllllllll of that

[hoary dew]

Gotcha, but attack speed also affects retaliation skills too though, yeah?

[silver kettle]

as long as they're attacks, yes

[hoary dew]

Awesome, thanks!

[shy marlin]

So, they changed the call to arms from behaving like automation into reserving mana? Now I need to calculate the reservation

[hoary dew]

Well I was about to ask a question on how retaliation skills interacted with second wind, but saw in the text it says "usable once for 2 seconds" 😢 I was going to wonder if I could use 2 in a row with second wind haha

[candid verge]

https://pobb.in/nZ7WOza1pwR6

what class is this build for?
and what does he mean by starting with templar mule? at what level should i switch back?

[tawny pasture]

its shadow

cant start as templar

[lime crypt]

retaliation looks doped though: measured retal + no forgiveness is 70% chance to use again and I assume it's possible to use a few hits with 1 block if you're not too unlucky
then there are like 145% cdr of retaliation skills from expert retal support + retal cdr nodes
or can use vengeful cry to make enemies hit you, then use arsenal of vengeance to use retal skill every 6th hit received
too bad only gladiator can use these skills well

[shy marlin]

Trickster came from shadow class. And by muling, you switch vack to shadow after you can buy the required gems

[candid verge]

i see, i never played it before, at what level do i get the gems?

do i have a shared bank that i can put the gems in?

[hoary dew]

I think rolling magma and elemental prolif is fairly early, right after hillock?

[shy marlin]

Though in act 3 and 6, you can buy every gem available at level 1

[tawny pasture]

its a build you want to lvl with

[shy marlin]

Your stash is shared between characters

[blissful onyx]

Builds that require you to mule typically look for a gem that you can get from doing the tidal island quest or getting through the mud flats.

If it takes longer than that to get the gem it's not really worth playing that build tbh

[candid verge]

if i didnt mule, how long would it take me to get that?

or is it mandatory

[hoary dew]

Looking forward to possible uniques as well, but I hope there won't be like 3 mandatory slots haha

[blissful onyx]

If the class you're trying to level with doesn't get the gem at all, such as trying to get Rolling Magma on Marauder, you have to wait until mid act 3 and do the library quest to get access to the vendor who sells it to you.

[hoary dew]

I was thinking of using second wind if they allowed you to use multiple charges each time they are made available, but honestly a 70% chance to not consume the skill is worth way more than second wind lol (if it worked well)

[lime crypt]

well it's already quite restrictive in which ascendancy to play or if you want to play with a different ascendancy, forbidden jewel is a must

[candid verge]

how do i know if my class can get it or not from the rewards?

[shy marlin]

You level with rolling magma and flame wall, so you need to mule it. You can level up with other skills so you don't have to mule but if you're new, I don't really recommend straying away from the guide

[blissful onyx]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Path_of_Exile_Wiki

Look it up

[candid verge]

ah i see now ❤️ ty

only witch and templar get rolling magma from act1 quest

[shy marlin]

Maybe stormblast mine and lightning orb can do, but I do feel rolling magma is superior

[hoary dew]

Yeah, especially so when glad has access to so much block. Even with jewels it's kind of mandatory with lucky block and base 50% (or 40%)

I'm guessing the idea of a full retaliation build is to use multiple retaliation skills

I'm wondering if I should go bleed with it for the pops, just no aggregation without heavy investment

[candid verge]

but i also see i can buy the gem from NPC after completing the same quest that would give it as reward, is a mule really needed then?

[blissful onyx]

Not every class can buy the gems even if they don't get them as a reward

If you're looking at Siosa, that's the act 3 NPC I was talking about

[candid verge]

shadow is able to (the class i should play)

[blissful onyx]

Shadow can, yes

It just takes a wisdom scroll

[shy marlin]

No mule needed then

[candid verge]

https://pobb.in/nZ7WOza1pwR6
since i have 0 experience, i dont understand why it tells me in notes to start with a mule.
does anyone else know?

[hoary dew]

So you can level with a spell pretty much

[lime crypt]

you don't need block if you use arsenal of vengeance, it opens up new way to play

[hoary dew]

Oh true, that's right. I guess it's still 6 hits vs 1 blocked hit though

[shy marlin]

I think because you get elemental prolif and rolling magma both free right after entering act 1

So you just create templar, kill hillock, get the rewards, switch to shadow

[hoary dew]

And put the rewards in your stash

[candid verge]

so right after hillock? and then the mule is not needed anymore?

i should get 2 gems for doing this?

[shy marlin]

You get ele prolif from the large chest, then get rolling magma as the reward for killing hillock, yes after that the mule is not needed i guess

[candid verge]

large chest is before or after hillock?

[devout osprey]

before

[candid verge]

ok that cleared a lot of confusion for me, tyvm 🙂 i go start a test run to see how it goes

[reef quest]

how do u get 100% cc on cyclone?

[devout osprey]

cc?

[shy marlin]

You mean crit chance?

Plenty ways, weapon crit chance, increased crit support, precision, passives skill, jewelries

Assassin's mark

[smoky geyser]

Anyone whose notice the miner they had an example of in the reveal was steven schitt?

[shy marlin]

He is a legendary miner

I noticed the 3 atlas tree is not in standard, not going core i guess

[smoky geyser]

I swore i had 3 atlas in standard

[tawny pasture]

its core

[tawny pasture]

how many completition you have in std ?

[smoky geyser]

You need to run a nap rp re unlock atlas stuff

You'll get like 100 completions

[vernal stream]

i like how this was insta nerfed once GGG saw it, Rising tempest is no more

[smoky geyser]

They buffed glass shank!

Woooo!

[cunning yoke]

Wrong chat for that

[silver kettle]

technically, Rising Tempest never existed. it was a design that was abandoned months ago and the description for it made it into the previous version of the passive json by mistake

[vernal stream]

ah

[native sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-sure-you-sure-about-that-dog-watching-gif-26139783

[vernal stream]

is the damage on this gem supposed to be correct?

[native sonnet]

not sus at all

[tawny pasture]

for a skill you can use Once for 2 second only every 4 second

nothing busted

[vernal stream]

wonder how the 88% CDR support works on it + an additional 27% CDR from tree

[hoary dew]

I think it's really the fact that you need to block over the cd

[vernal stream]

with gladiator you can reach like 96% block chance with minimal investment

[hoary dew]

Yeah, it's not the chance, just the fact that you need to get hit in the first place. I think it may be clunky but I'm leaning towards starting it because I can just swap to SST bleed or any other bleed skill with glad

[vernal stream]

yea for sure, i never done melee; but dont know if its just fine to use it as a 2nd 6link skill; plan to do bleed

[hoary dew]

Once you use the skill you need to be hit again to use it again

[vernal stream]

can always get the node where it becomes active after being hit 6 times

[hoary dew]

I think it should be tbh, I'm not sure (I'm no build creator 😢 )

[vernal stream]

yea, will leave it to them to figure out their place

[lime crypt]

not every 4s, every 1.63s
@vernal stream 57% from tree, not 45%

[thorny pond]

1.63s have 2 retaliation skills

Plus all the chances of them resetting each other

[tawny pasture]

was speaking about the base gem

[thorny pond]

Seems pretty good uptime

[vernal stream]

yea

[hoary dew]

I think the 70% chance for it to be reusable might save it tbh. I guess with that in mind, is it even worth getting the cooldown nodes? Especially if you're using 2 or even 3 retaliation skills?

[thorny pond]

They still are clunky. But about as clunky as warcry slamming

[lime crypt]

the most important thing is the 70% chance to remain usable

[thorny pond]

Tbh. With the damage numbers… just get aoe

You don’t need to use it more than 1-2

[lime crypt]

just use 2, you need more supporting gems

[thorny pond]

Fist of war crushing fist is gonna be screen wide

[lime crypt]

or the skill that guarantees freeze

[thorny pond]

That one is gonna be the busted one

[vernal stream]

yea

[thorny pond]

I’m interested in the sword storm with impales tbh

8 hits max impale

[lime crypt]

to play retal you need low evade chance?

[hoary dew]

Is 2.8metere base radius massive?

[vernal stream]

block chance?

[hoary dew]

Been playing since bestiary and I have no clue what base radius is good lol

[stoic wasp]

Does GGG release the new unique item info before the updates? Curious if there are new items themed around retaliation skills

[lime crypt]

I mean, if you evade you can't block right?

[thorny pond]

Correct.

[stoic wasp]

You can self hit

[lime crypt]

self hit?

[hoary dew]

I don't think you can technically block anything that might damage yourself

[lime crypt]

so, lifetap?

[thorny pond]

There is a node that lets you use retaliation skills after being hit 6 times

[hoary dew]

Ahh. That's what you meant

[lime crypt]

not too familiar with the skills that can self hit, what are those?

[vernal stream]

yea curious how that would work

[stoic wasp]

Wait, does anyone know this for sure? My whole build might be botched 😭

[lime crypt]

what skill you use to self hit?

[hoary dew]

Well ward loop damages itself to cast spells with cast when damage taken, that's one I know of

[stoic wasp]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Echoes_of_Creation

[silver kettle]

off the top of my head there is no way to self-inflict an attack or spell hit. since you can only get block chance for attack and spell hits, that does mean in practice there's no way to block self damage

[summer sundial]

Def don’t use any evasion on a retaliate build

Take iron reflexes

Because evade gets calculated before block

[lime crypt]

yeah, you want to get hit no matter what

[stoic wasp]

Aw dang. Thanks for clarifying. I played a vengeance build a few leagues ago and it feels so bad to play without being able to trigger it yourself especially with bosses that have delayed attacks. Hopefully you guys will make a unique item in the future or that hasn’t been announced that will let you hit yourself triggering a block or something similar.

Or just trigger retaliation skills after doing x

[faint nymph]

there's that one ring from affliction that comes back with the mark of penance skill, it'll summon enemy phantasms that can hit you

this thing https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Hateful_Accuser

granted, that competes with kaom's sign

[native sonnet]

wonder what they combine into

[sweet canyon]

hey what do u thinks for the RF starter from Pohx ?

[native sonnet]

didnt pohx put a big disclaimer on rf for this league?

[sweet canyon]

just said it was a bit better than past league but not playable for Hight end enless a lot of div, no ?

in 'Path of Exile 3.25 - Righteous Fire Chieftain League Starter.' posted yesterday

i just seek for a starter but im a bit lost this league and i have to say that pohx guide and website is fine for help

[rigid jetty]

Have you played a rf/ft build before? I built a rf chief last league with the adorned setup and it was really nice for mapping even without the adorned-transition

[sweet canyon]

played it 2 or 3 time before

[rigid jetty]

Then you should be fine if you like it i guess

[sweet canyon]

i cant choose between lacerate glad from ziz, LS deadyeye or RF halp

[rigid jetty]

I'm not a huge fan of the block setup with glancing blows, i really liked the defiance version

[sweet canyon]

too mutch good things this league

[sweet canyon]

too bad for the nerf 😢

[rigid jetty]

Yeah but a lets say above 15% roll should still feel good when mapping

[sweet canyon]

at least

lacerate of hemo seems good tho

[rigid jetty]

I cant decide between LA deadeye or srs guardian ^^ never played LA until now and am a bit scared for the bossing with it

[lucid stone]

Do I understand correctly that Crushing Fist cannot be used with Unarmed?

[sweet canyon]

hard choice, didnt play neither so Gl

[stoic wasp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1e726kg/infinite_retaliation_build/ check this out if you are planning on running a retaliation build guys. I think you could use https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Echoes_of_Creation with the masteries and self sustain your retaliation skills without ever blocking a enemy hit

[rigid jetty]

Thanks, i hope you will have fun with your choice, i think in the end thats all that matters. Though i still would like to dont rip constantly and get stuff done 😄

[sweet canyon]

Have fun u too

[violet nymph]

You can't exert retaliates

[stoic wasp]

The point isn’t to exert your retaliate skills but that it triggers the new warcry giving you a 35% chance on every attack to make your other retaliate skills usable

You will need another damaging skill to proc of course

[violet nymph]

Yes but that means you'd have to play a normal skill like lacerate to apply the hit to yourself, you'd need to use a warcry (or two, since the damage mitigates) that exerts lacerate and not your main retaliate skill, and then you'd have to cast vengeful which +25 max rage with nerfs is pretty bad when I configured it. I don't think it's going to be a good choice when you can just take enduring cry. Either you play a single retaliate with just the reuse node + anoint or you double retaliate with 'use different retaliate' nodes and reuse nodes and just ignore vengeful

[stoic wasp]

Maybe you are right. It is a heavy investment. However you can proc it more naturally with a movement attack like leap slam or shield charge. And with rage +frenzy charges you should be hopping around like the energizer bunny. I think for maximum uptime you could use the retaliate warcry + 2 other retaliation skills to keep near 100% usable uptime

[violet nymph]

Are you playing glad? Rage does near nothing for any of the glad builds I've configured. Not sure why

[tawdry plover]

Are you playing dot builds?

[violet nymph]

Yes is that why?

[tawdry plover]

Yea

Since rage is more attack damage. And attack =/= over time

Even if it's an attack applying the dot effect

[stoic wasp]

Yes, Playing glad. I’m avoiding bleed altogether. Too much mixed investments in the passive tree/gearing

[violet nymph]

Ah okay so it'll work better for like a crushing fist setup

[tawdry plover]

Yep, basically any not bleed

(Or poison/ignite)

[violet nymph]

I think the devs are trying to keep Autoexertions its own identity separate from retaliates still though with them not being exertable at all but having a lot of baked in DE. Gonna need to figure out better ways to multiply the damage outside of warcries for my eviscerate

[stoic wasp]

I wish I could show you my build Mich but it’s pretty hard to get actual numbers without any of the new skills being in PoB. Hopefully they update by tomorrow

[violet nymph]

Yep I'm waiting on that too. Got a pob baking in the oven lol just waiting for update

[stoic wasp]

I found glacial shield swipe to be the most juicy by far for scaling. It adds extra damage based off shield armour and you can easily get 2600+ armour with one of the new bases which would equal around a massive 8000 added damage at level 20

[blissful onyx]

I need this league to start up already

[mossy tinsel]

Hopefully they put out the whole change before league start.

Eh.

I rather see the chages first then league start.

[violet nymph]

I have no idea how cold skills are working this league all I know is taste of hate got reworked lul

[mossy tinsel]

Eh im going a bleed groundslam chieftain soo.

I dont need gladiators bleed.

I already did calculations before they announced this. And end game id be ranging 31m without the changes in bleed.

[stoic wasp]

Also you can do some spicy damage with the retaliation node “every 4th retaliation skill is guaranteed critical hit.” So you could also stack crit multi if you decide against bleed

[violet nymph]

Yeah that one is gonna be nice especially since we don't need resolute technique anymore so I don't even have to path up for it

[stoic wasp]

For sure. No need for accuracy +. Crit chance frees up a lot of room for scaling

[harsh hull]

How Boneshatter Jugg looking this league?

[radiant pulsar]

How tanky is (Zizran's) Archmage Hierophant as a starter, mid game and 100d investment in 3.25?

[lime crypt]

yes

[pastel void]

ziz is litterally the hc tank guy if you follow it right its one of the tankiest

[arctic cargo]

should i try out arch mage or do what i normally do and go TS deadeye?

[tawny pasture]

eww league starting as TS

[arctic cargo]

or lightning striike

[tawny pasture]

[arctic cargo]

but its fast

[tawny pasture]

how can it be fast

its zdps

[arctic cargo]

what's zdps

[tawny pasture]

zero dps

[arctic cargo]

lies

[tawny pasture]

its good only when reaching some maps with decent bow

[arctic cargo]

i guess

arch mage it is

[tawny pasture]

LS and Archmage need less gear and work sooner

[arctic cargo]

they both seem fun

but ive never done archmage

so ill probably do that

[tawny pasture]

time to try

it made its proof

[arctic cargo]

will the inspiration change mess it up too bad?

[tawny pasture]

you wont notice it

[cursive gust]

Anyone know if dusk ring will be back?

[tawny pasture]

its not in the patch note and item added note

[arctic cargo]

also isnt archmage better for bossing than ls?

[hoary oasis]

I had a lot of fun with cyclone impale shockwave. What do you think, with all the melee changes, could it be a thing in 3.25?

[tawny pasture]

cyclone shockwave will be fine in 3.25

[hoary oasis]

Yay

It's been so many leagues ago I need to check how much has changed 😅

[steady walrus]

Servers down until release?

[tawny pasture]

nop

[steady walrus]

oh, is there a post about the downtime?

[tawny pasture]

is it down ?

[tawny pasture]

should try to log before asking such thing

[livid birch]

is there any world in which a retaliation skill could have good clearspeed

[edgy merlin]

They can have massive aoes so it's dependent on if you can consistently block every 2s

Can you increase the retaliation window?

[livid birch]

yeah

but normally skills with good clearspeed kill things significantly sooner than a monster pack gets to wake up and land a hit on you

[edgy merlin]

Maybe if you're ballsy enough to jump into mod packs?

Ah hm windup

[livid birch]

yeah theyre not instant

[cunning yoke]

I really want divine retribution to be good, but honestly it feels hard to scale the damage with Glad and seems kinda jank to play if you can't get the 50-70% chance to recast.

[reef quest]

Help me with Starter ideas to get to act 6 in 1hour

I want to play occulist

[violet nymph]

That's speedrunner timing brother

[tawny pasture]

1h is better than any top player

be more realistic

and if you need someone help you wont ever be close to 1h

[reef quest]

r u good

[edgy merlin]

Start builds can kind of be whatever

You just use levelling skills to get to a respec point

[tawny pasture]

good enough to know that you ask dont make sens

[edgy merlin]

World record act 10 runs are like 3 hours

And the early acts are the slow ones

[reef quest]

POE need chat Gpt

[edgy merlin]

To get 3 hours you need to memorise every layout and be able to identify/swap gear while running

Ew no

[reef quest]

did they integrate

[edgy merlin]

Chatgpt is GARBAGE for any specific knowledge base

It's a large language model not an intelligence

[reef quest]

Ok tell me at what act i get quick silver flask

[violet nymph]

Then why does Sam Altman have a POOL

[reef quest]

Also what i act i get ice trap or hexblast

[edgy merlin]

1

Tidal island reward

[reef quest]

At waht act i can get cyclone

[edgy merlin]

Act 2 if you do the den quest

Google

Wiki has everything there

[reef quest]

Let me write notes

[edgy merlin]

Google "poewiki cyclone" -> look at obtaining section

Rinse repeat

[bright zenith]

if you go to wiki and write it in the search bar - you get the answer even quicker than with chatgpt and faster than writing it here even

[tawny pasture]

cyclone is after killing gravicus act 3 ebony barrack

[arctic cargo]

so what exactly does the inspiration support change do?

[tawdry plover]

It's additive with other sources (of reduced) instead of multiplicative now

Which would be a boon

[arctic cargo]

it wouldnt hurt archmage that bad though right?

[tawdry plover]

I think most but not all sources are reductions at least

Let me see some things 1s

On archmage it will make a larger difference. I was thinking more on the attack side of things

I think before you had 89% less+15-30% reduced. Now you'll have 50% less and 45-70% reduced

[arctic cargo]

oh that's a lot

well

idk

might just have to play it and find out

just trying to figure out if i want to play archmage or something else like LS warden or something melee at leaguestart

[tawdry plover]

If I got the math right your skill will cost like 5 times more than it did before

Unless you were using indigon I'm not sure it'll be that impactful though?

[arctic cargo]

5 TIMES?

That seems like a huge increase

[tawdry plover]

100×.11×.85=9. 100×.5×.3=15 lol not 5 mb

Double

[arctic cargo]

holy that is a big difference

thought they were gonna make it unplayable

[tawdry plover]

There could be more sources of less/reduced I'm not thinking of. Just went off the general ones I knew

[arctic cargo]

ill probably try it out

if it doesnt work melee might be where i go to

problem is everyone is going to melee

[tawdry plover]

Gotta find a style of melee that isn't saturated then

On the other hand if everyone's melee, some middle ground upgrades may be cheaper? Since more people may be crafting for those builds

[arctic cargo]

Thats a good point

if i play melee late people might be getting rid of old gear

so i could probably get some affordable gear

[gleaming sonnet]

Do we know which family will Black Morrigan be?

[peak hemlock]

Do we know the rewards of doing the challenges this next league?(mtx wise)

[tawny pasture]

Not revealed

Stay tuned #old-game-news

[peak hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/rogerroger-star-wars-gif-24538011

[chilly cypress]

I'm sure this is a dumb question, could retaliate skills be used by totems?

Or can totems not block

[red stone]

Lads, any build on trickster that can transition early to CI/Es overleech without getting too stuck?

[tranquil beacon]

Which totem and which retaliation?

[chilly cypress]

idk, just didnt know if any could be used by them, im an imbecile when it comes to poe

[tawny pasture]

it cant

[prime tree]

some brave souls did splitting steel tricksters, but not sure how dreadful that is if you don't have a firm grasp on how to build and upgrade it efficiently (and even then...) and what you'd even level it with before you can transition to CI without the leveling feeling like torture. The tree has a looot of travel, so maybe with the gold respec stuff it might be less of an issue.

[violet nymph]

breach and legion are still in the game 3.25?

[red stone]

i despise splitting steel so ill skip that, was thinking on going frostblades instead but not sure how scuffed it will be

[spark harness]

yeah, those are core mechanics

[agile hemlock]

whispering ice does this pretty early, but the build isn't the best.

[errant quiver]

Have you played it after the 3.23 changes? It used to be awful, but its pretty nice to use now.

[red stone]

last i played was affliction i think, was terrible until nimis which is not something i want for league start

[errant quiver]

Fair

[hot quail]

Doing CI early is risky, dont swap until you have atleast 4-5k es

The more familiar you are with the playstyle the lower you can go

[tranquil beacon]

Blade trap trickster, trust

[slow isle]

i heard recombinators are back, what is that?

[tranquil beacon]

Pathofexile.com

[tranquil beacon]

It combines items to get some mods on one and some mods on the other

[slow isle]

interesting

[vernal stream]

yea, its a static forge you will have at all times; just needs gold and some magic pixie dust

[native shoal]

is it friday yet lol

[slow isle]

like that orb that merges 2 influenced items?

[vernal stream]

yea, but less op

[red stone]

recombinators are several magnitudes more broken than awakener orbs tho

[gleaming sonnet]

Oh no. They killed the non-damaging ailment annoint, didn't they?

[cold monolith]

If they nerfed it it was probably deserved

[gleaming sonnet]

Looks gone completely. There's now something called Lasting Tempest that gives "50% increased Duration of Elemental Ailments on Enemies".

[silver kettle]

It never really lived at all. It was a rejected design whose description snuck into the passive tree json by mistake. It was never even implemented

[gleaming sonnet]

Ah I see. Thanks!

[hasty perch]

Good thing it didnt make it then

Way too strong . Although we could argue that some annoints are brokrn too like vines

[vernal stream]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[hushed inlet]

Wait so what is this?

we can craft keystones on gear now?

[tranquil beacon]

Yes

[grizzled moon]

expect those crafting materials to be rare

[mild quest]

wow

[upper dragon]

rare from bosses, i'd imagine the trade route to kalguur will have a high rate of mishaps and take a long time for ships to do their trades since it seems its the furthest one, so who knows if its 20 minutes or an hour or longer. plus most likely need a certain type of resource in high amounts to get them .

[jovial igloo]

is it possible to get this enchant mechanic on unique weapons?

[upper dragon]

no

[jovial igloo]

good to know, thanks

[hasty perch]

Yes, farshot without the unique weapon on steel skills

[jovial igloo]

and there's lots of crafts we didnt see yet right? or do we know them all already?

[hasty perch]

We only know a few

[upper dragon]

one i'm looking forward to is though need to check the trailer again, a casting enchant, something like every 0.2 seconds or something

very expensive, but i can imagine great for SSF or if you are unlucky with unique drops

[agile hemlock]

shame you don't get the 0 cost

[last pumice]

Do we know what levels do you start geting Tincture?

like when in the acts should we start planing to have them

[real tinsel]

AHHH necropolis gone but we have some days grace period AHH

[silver kettle]

The first tinctures can start dropping/being sold by vendors from level 18, but there are no quest reward tinctures so it may take you a bit to actually find them

[last pumice]

Cool be good to play with and see how mana burn actauyl feels like

ice crash warden is the plan heheh

[pastel void]

gonna be neat to not have to use a flask slot for em

[glad musk]

has someone started theory crafting new skill gem Swordstorm? How viable it will be if it requires blocking recently to be usable?

[pastel void]

just have no evasion and the masterys that give you a chance to reuse the skill

idk how good it would be but you can def do something

[tranquil beacon]

Oooh vendors sell em?

[silver kettle]

Occasionally

[tranquil beacon]

Occasionally 🫤

[glad musk]

do you maybe know if any builds from previous leagues used block on dual wield, so I could maybe get inspired and figure myself something out?

[pastel void]

hmmm

https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/Xòféry/AngryXofIsAngry?type=exp&i=0&search=skills%3DDual%2BStrike%2Bof%2BAmbidexterity%26sort%3Dehp

maybe this guy

https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/Rikachizzle/cookiejake?type=exp&i=4&search=skills%3DDual%2BStrike%2Bof%2BAmbidexterity%26sort%3Dehp

Just pulling up people running dualstrike

[normal herald]

Are there any mods around who can assist me? A post of mine was blocked by auto-mod but I'm not sure why.

[tawny pasture]

this discord have nothing to do with forum

[normal herald]

It was a post on this discord.

But I have contacted the mods

thank you

[tawny pasture]

then send message to modmails

[normal herald]

Yes I already have as I said

Appreciate it!

[tawny pasture]

#1┃looking-for-group

[vagrant token]

Can't wait till settlers goes core

[winged wedge]

I am locking in on bleed glad because it's been so long since I played melee. If it sucks, I can shift into slayer

[violet nymph]

blight has been buffed or nerfed? i can't tell

[winged wedge]

Buffed, some of the Prismatic-only notables will be very sought after

Not sure how the new atlas nodes will impact blight farming, however

[violet nymph]

i didn't know that there is some new atlas tree nodes about blight until 5min ago

[bitter locust]

The big is nerf losing the oil extractors

[grizzled moon]

i somehow missed that, thats pretty bad

[past spire]

hi will the timegated new league content be 24h or more for the last parts? just curious

[sonic stirrup]

Wdym

[sonic stirrup]

Yeah I watched the stream, read patch notes, and somehow only noticed in the item filter info lol

[past spire]

for example mining or such, can we 'cancel it' or have to wait for the timer to end before upgrading it ? i see 00:00:00 so curious if some things can take 24h before completing

[sonic stirrup]

I don't think we have those numbers

[past spire]

ok ty seems cool content 🙂

[native sonnet]

they did mentioned that the time here was super early version and they have reduced it significantly

[past spire]

i thought it would be more like warframe with 24h or 3 days craft but i hope its not , although some 7-8h would be nice to start before going to bed

[native sonnet]

that also depends on the amount of ores u have tagged and lvl of miners ig

if u zoomed through map and tagged like 100 ores in an hour vs some1 only tagging 30 ores in an hour

[bitter locust]

From the Q&A after the stream they gave 10 hours as a high end case of sending a boat to the furthest port. It also sounded like that number was before factoring in sailing skill that would speed it up. Most things should be well below that, with big numbers only coming from queueing a ton of things up in sequence

[tranquil beacon]

Hours would be 😴

[gleaming sonnet]

Do we know how do tinctures interact with Blood Magic? Is it the same as having Bloodsoaked Blade?

[gleaming sonnet]

00:00:00 there was because there was no worker assigned.

[harsh bone]

I believe they will work on all ores at once. So you won't be needing to cancel anything

Plus the times on the reveal are way over estimated by mistake. They are much lower

Mark mentioned it in the Q&A with Ziggyd

[past spire]

ok ty for the explanations

[harsh bone]

You can unassign workers to cancel them if you must, it's just they don't take inventory space and wages are so cheap that there's no reason to ever do that

[past spire]

im gonna pay them good wages or they will union my broke ass and ask for divines

[harsh bone]

lol you definitely don't want that

[gleaming sonnet]

I was afraid that we'd have like 10 workers in total and we'd have to choose what kind of workers we want for the kind of work we need. But I think I saw a limit of like 90.

[restive pulsar]

Hello is there anybody here to explain me sanctum iwatched all of the tutorials didnt understand much

[harsh bone]

Yeah you can get quite a bit of workers by the end. I doubt we will be able to use all 90+ anyway

I'm not sure how many ships we can send at once, but I hope there's no limit? That'd be neat

[gleaming sonnet]

More meat for the mapping machine, I'd say. My dream is to be able to get them to do white elder guardian maps.

I don't care if 95% of them will die for that. That's a price I'm willing to pay.

[harsh bone]

It's a roguelike dungeon mechanic. You go from one room to the next until you either die, your Resolve (special health bar) depletes, or you kill the final boss at the 4th floor

[native sonnet]

looks like 3 from the reveal UI

[harsh bone]

Resolve goes down as you get hit by anything

[past spire]

turning the game into anno 1800

[gleaming sonnet]

More like a Paradox Game UI.

[harsh bone]

Did it explicity have X/3?

I see they set a max of crew per ship, but no max ship sent out at once

Mark had 3 come back at once, but not sure if that's the limit

It'd make sense with how the UI looks though as it only fits 3 ships on the menu

[lethal ridge]

why is pestilent strike such a terrible league starter? heard alk say that

[tranquil beacon]

No range, ramping damage, better options

[sharp zinc]

So when i start a new character in settlers leauge. Is my chest and all stash tabs empty?

[lethal ridge]

what would you use to league start a poison build

[lethal ridge]

yes

[past spire]

yes but you can already arrange the stash tabs how you want before the league start

[tranquil beacon]

Poisonous concoction, if youre asking melee, i wouldn't

[lethal ridge]

thanks man - what are you league starting?

[wind sundial]

Have we heard about how and when your workers' wages are deducted in Kingsmarch?

[tranquil beacon]

Dont know yet, will decide during queue as per usual

[lethal ridge]

beast mode

[bitter locust]

There's a coffer you pay gold into that the wages come out of. I don't think they've said what the interval on payments is

[native sonnet]

continuous from the Q&A IIRC

[bitter locust]

Right. I guess to rephrase that, have they said what the ratio of time to wages paid is? Like if the wage is 20 and the work takes a minute what is the gold cost?

[native sonnet]

nope, probably still in balance tweaking

[winged wedge]

They are going to mess up the gold costs, the amount of resources you get, the recombinator costs and the investment to reward ratio for shipping, I just know it

That being said, it would be insane to expect them to get it right on the first pass, and I am happy about the huge changes

[pastel void]

I never got to play with recombinators so im happy to try em

That was one of the few leagues I didnt play

[merry lava]

what build should i play, looking for op ez gg one

[pastel void]

uh well if you want one with solid dmg and tank look at ziz builds nothing is quite op ez gg level though id say

Cause ggg likes to nerf those

[dapper dock]

What do you guys think of a RF league start for 3.25?

[bitter locust]

It's never a bad option

[dapper dock]

Good to know, its going to be my second league, I had a decent time with Ball lightninh hierophant last league, but was scared to use something that wouldn't work just as nicely without a detailed guide like the one I had in maxroll

[short blade]

RF Chieftain is probably one of the easiest, simplest builds to gear for that scales well into t16 maps

most of its "power" comes from its ascendancy and skill tree, and a few easy to craft for damage increases on gear

[dapper dock]

Thats reassuring, last league I was starting to have problems in act 10, but thankfully my savings helped gear for maps, and I managed to do t16 easily

[short blade]

so you aren't struggling on day 2 to find a certain unique that spiked to 100c because everyone wants it

[vagrant token]

also good uniques

[gleaming sonnet]

How much life recovery will I get from Dread Banner with 50 Valour?

[dapper dock]

So how is the unique economy on league start? I joined last league about a month from the end, and most uniques I dropped were worthless

[short blade]

and since you only need Fire resistance (and chaos resistance), you aren't trying to balance getting resists so you have a lot less modifier pressure

[short blade]

take a look at the popular streamer league start builds, download Awakened POE for price checking

[grizzled moon]

most uniques will be worthless

[dapper dock]

I am using those third party apps for sure, very helofull

[short blade]

there's going to be some leveling uniques, or early uniques you could sell for 10c easily on day 1 or 2 that within a week will be worth an alch

[bitter locust]

Pohx has more RF information than you could ever want. It might not be as nicely formatted as some stuff but there will be plenty there to help you along

[short blade]

Yeah Pohx.net for RF Chieftain

[dapper dock]

Thats precisely who I am talking the build from, his pob looks really clean

I have seem some that I cant decipher to save my life

[short blade]

other build creators "hate" Pohx because people coming from Pohx's builds ask for like 10x things that Pohx does like loot filters, FAQs, and crafting guides

lol

he's made himself Mr. RF

[vagrant token]

kikazaru, immortal flesh, rise of the Phoenix all is tier 4 tier 5 and damn good

[dapper dock]

Let's be honest, if you're not very knowlegeable about the game, those things are a must, I would be lost without in dept guide on how to make my build better

[arctic cargo]

is archmage good?

[bitter locust]

"I don't fear the man who has played 10000 builds, I fear the man who has played 1 build 10000 times" - Bruce Lee

[dapper dock]

Last season it was pretty good imo, dont know for 3.25

[short blade]

yeah, Pohx's build is what took me from take 5 days to complete acts and struggling in maps, to completing acts in 14 hours my 3rd league and blasting my way to two voidstones

[pastel void]

14 hrs well thats great for 3rd league in 🙂 keep up the pace

[violet nymph]

It was left untouched and was very good last league so yes

[vagrant token]

Pohx so good that Templar could literaly summon him to help at maps

[short blade]

I'm testing leveling it, Zizaran put out a build video on it for 3.25

its apparently only really losing power in that its going to be harder to craft perfect gear for it without necropolis, but that's the same for every build

[dapper dock]

I was also wondering, I liked doing incursions for div trading at the end of the season, do you guys have any league mechanic to complement my earnings doing maps? Something that wont take me away from the incursions

[arctic cargo]

Does the inspiration nerf affect it too much?

[short blade]

Incursions? Alva?

[dapper dock]

Yes

[vagrant token]

bestiary

[grizzled moon]

youre probably looking at like heist, shrines

[dapper dock]

For selling black morrigan?

[vagrant token]

same part of atlas, just kill few more rares on map that have icons

[vagrant token]

morrigansm chimera, bestiary bosses, and also new beasts

[short blade]

Okay, so league start for RF, I think Pohx has his atlas up, the recommended order is going -> Jun nodes up into Kirac for atlas completion, but Betrayal is important early in the league for the crafting

[dapper dock]

I never saw a bestiary boss, how much do they usually go for?

[short blade]

I'd almost recommend not going incursion the first few days, doing it as your second or third atlas tree instead

[dapper dock]

Yeah I saw that, I will go for it even though I dont understand the mechanic of the syndicate

[dapper dock]

Oh rly?

[short blade]

because the value from the incursion nodes comes from cheap scarabs + people wanting to double corrupt, but people don't have gear to double corrupt at first

[dapper dock]

Oh, makes sense

[short blade]

by end of week 1 there will be demand

[vagrant token]

TBH I find them little bit later, but prices was IIRC like 30-40c?

[dapper dock]

Thats good

[grizzled moon]

you can bank incursions and they add monsters to the map anyway

[vagrant token]

but main money is Morrigan and chimers

[grizzled moon]

but the point is true

[short blade]

but out the gates, things that drop actual currency like Expedition or Legion (but RF struggles a bit with Legion) are more recommended early

[dapper dock]

Is a chimer a specific mob or a mob type?

[vagrant token]

Chimera is like 2div? and could cost more if you roll chance to not spend it

[short blade]

no idea how blight is going to feel this league, it could be amazing, or it could get saturated

[vagrant token]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Craicic_Chimeral

[dapper dock]

Thats good

[vagrant token]

that whitre tier map rare btw

[dapper dock]

In that case I might go for Jun and expedition early, then change to incursions and something else later

Thanks everyone

[vagrant token]

also yelow beast +2c each (1c for pokeball 3 from sale)

but it require some clicking

[dapper dock]

I think I will avoid that because I cant bulk sell right?

[short blade]

yeah, my atlas tree early I have one goal: unlocking Betrayal crafts, and completing atlas, so I do something like this:

https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAASADwAH8qH1A-kXz6LLtNJhCriB_7Fp-IhYDD6tWZenXyrfVqN6tlb_Ywdfbddi-F9kSd1OJ3e_p7Yh53Qxk3aKY1w44JRp3uzx-eu0w7hEH21rZXr4fXitXdOG6LQyxfYmDUwJ4XEH67vE32RiWDIGIsLccOXyf7VaalDFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==

where I actually go up to the "can't drop scarabs" node to get +20 nodes

to start claiming all the map drop % nodes as well as betrayal, because I know I'm just getting to t16s and then getting a second atlas where I do my actual investment strat

[dapper dock]

Unwavering vision is worth it?

[vagrant token]

You could at least througt poe.sale or trade discords, main drawback is clicking

[short blade]

you aren't dropping enough scarabs from maps, and you aren't going to be using scarabs in your low level maps

for that node not to be worth it on atlas 1 imo

[dapper dock]

I see

[short blade]

its not worth it once you actually start running your farming tree, but to me tree #1 is "complete atlas and get lots of maps"

and then once I fill out trees 2 and 3 I will have the orbs of unmaking to respec tree 1

[vagrant token]

TBH wioth scrab prices and trade league mechainic I think I could go to no-scarabs late game

lot of farming strats like... 10c scarabs per map?

[dapper dock]

Maybe gold this time around who knows

[vagrant token]

It much easier to buy 100 scarabs then pick up all 100 different types of scarabs

[short blade]

they didn't mention gold for atlas respecs ever though, just skills, would be pleasantly surprised it if was an option

[short blade]

especially with new system

[dapper dock]

I think they might

[short blade]

god its going to be amazing

[dapper dock]

New system?

[vagrant token]

I think they will not

[short blade]

the currency trade market

[dapper dock]

Ah yes

[vagrant token]

BTW, where is scarab to farm scarabs?

[dapper dock]

I need to see how that works on practice, because seeing how it wont have a list of prices, I would still have to go poe trade to have any idea how much a currency item is worth o average, otherwise I could never get a trade or just go for a low ball

[short blade]

awakened poe my friend, awakened poe

[vagrant token]

it wil have

[short blade]

hover over scarab, hit crtl + d or whatever the shortcut it

is*

[vagrant token]

They are show like top3 or top4 trade exchanges

[short blade]

compare to currency trade market ratio

[dapper dock]

I know, I meant that, still going to see the "pricefixer" value, of course you can ignore it

[dapper dock]

Oh, I didn't see that

[short blade]

there is one limitation, which is that people can only have 10 orders

at a time

[vagrant token]

Mark did this system for himself

he also don't want to be frauded

^.^

[short blade]

which is fine for just currency, but its going to be a struggle with say, sacrabs

[dapper dock]

Is the "stock" what is available on the market? If so, why is the best ratio for him the one with more stock?

[short blade]

because that limit is for buy AND sell orders which means

[vagrant token]

I hope they will have APi to show demand 😬

[short blade]

because he's getting 15 orbs for 1 chaos

vs 5.45 orbs for 1

[vagrant token]

Do you know how steam market works?

[dapper dock]

I guess?

[short blade]

basically there's 1 order up selling 15 alteration orbs for 1 chaos

[vagrant token]

you could place sell orders and buy orders. Whn there is sell order = buy order it automaticaly complite

[short blade]

with 1500 alts in the order

[dapper dock]

I know of the list of prices and how many people selling for that

[arctic cargo]

what would yall recommend between poison conc, hexblast mines, and archmage?

[dapper dock]

But if you can see said ammount and current ratio, why would anyone go for the lower ratio?

[short blade]

hexblastmines trickster is always strong, poison conc might be fine leveling and then if you are doing ranger, it seems warden might be broken this league and if that's true you can respec on like day 3

[dapper dock]

I think thats great

[short blade]

you don't, obviously you take the better ratio

[native sonnet]

u dont, its there for when the better rates are sold out and move on to the next

market and liquidity

[wise python]

if the better ratio isnt available because of people not providing and you want it sold faster

[dapper dock]

In that case it probably benefits people who want a few itens quickly and can grab it there, and someone who wnats to sell hundred or more without much work

[vagrant token]

also if you put in the "market ratio" you will sell slower

[dapper dock]

Thats sounds great to me hahah

[short blade]

but imagine the opposite of the above, there's one order for 15 to 1 for 100, and then the next order is 5 to 1 for 1500 -> if you put in an order for 15 to 1 for 1500, you have to realize you'll get 100 instantly, but the remaining 1400 are probably going to take forever to fill if ever

[native sonnet]

its the same as right now if u see top 100 ppl selling 150c for a divine, u would go to them instead of the guy giving 100c for ur divine, but when the 150c ones are sold out/not responding, u move down the list till u get 1 to respond whetehr thats 130 or 100c

[dapper dock]

Makes sense

[vagrant token]

becausee you order in same pile as other people order and I thing it will have random fullfiling based on size weight

so if you sell 5000 orbs you have 5000 more chances to sell 1 then person who try to sell 1

[dapper dock]

So if for example, 10 people were selling for the same ratio, in a pool of 5000 itens, if I buy 1000, will it get a few from each, or whoever listed first?

[short blade]

I doubt it, I'm guessing it will be first in first out for identical orders

[vagrant token]

I think it will be random

[short blade]

oldest get used first

[native sonnet]

make sense to be FIFO

[dapper dock]

I hope they do it in a way were it takes one from each until it is fullfilled

[vagrant token]

thet require to keep track of timestamps and look like you could add curencies to exchange request

[short blade]

but you'd have to pay gold for the new items, and that would "refresh" the contract

and yeah, they already track timestamps for normal trade

[vagrant token]

difference is normal trade is not like 100 operation in one tick for one trade

[dapper dock]

All I know is that this league is gonna be fire

[vagrant token]

Anyway, I think weighted random is more fair then FIFO

but it depends

[native sonnet]

no

how is that fair

[dapper dock]

I think its better as well

[karmic crest]

What's gonna be the best build for mele (I want a build in which I'm not only pressing one button) any recommendations?

[vagrant token]

if you place sale of 100 scrolls on week 2, you will not wait till league end

[native sonnet]

if i listed something for that rate and its been up for 2 days and u just listed it now, why is it fair that urs have a chance to get sold earlier than mine

[vagrant token]

you could multiply weight

[native sonnet]

if u want urs to sell faster just price cut , that's fair

[wise python]

im guessing thats where the weight comes into effect for older listings

but thats just fifo so im not sure what you mean by weighted random anymore

[native sonnet]

im guessing he mean weight by stock ? idk

[wise python]

either way im certain there will be some sort of bug / exploit with the market early in league

[dapper dock]

I mean yeah, it's a unique mechanic they are testing, surely in poe 2 it will be in the best way possible

[vagrant token]

could they just reuse some code from Real Life currecy exchange?

[odd gate]

i think it'll be unlikely there will multiple bugs/exploits

it'll be relatively easy to stress test in different scenarios

[wise python]

lets bet on it?

actually nvm you just said multiple which is fair, it may not be super bug-ridden

[arctic cargo]

anyone know how bad the inspiration nerf will affect archmage?

[short blade]

Zizaran has put a build video out for Archmage Ice Nova sooooo he at least thinks it will not be too harsh

[vagrant token]

are archmage PBoD still alive or itwas nuked in Necro?

[hasty perch]

still alive

it feels bad for clear though

[dusk sleet]

Is bleed boneshatter possible with the gladiator rework?

[acoustic lynx]

whats the stronger league start build between carn ground slam and zish frostblade, im hesitating between the two, im gonna be farming expedition with some legion on league start

[pastel void]

not fb thats mine 😦

Ground slam is tnakier fb is more zoomie

[reef quest]

HELP!!!! i am looking for a skill to level up - damage skill that is versatile. I need to block enemies attack me as mana and life runs out some times

[pastel void]

Mate I cant make head or tails out of just that ?

[reef quest]

do cyclone has moving speed or area of effect?

i used holy flame totem before.. its meh

[pastel void]

Does and it has both except tormult or whatever that lowers movespeed but you can use a unique boot stampede iirc and it will negate the penalty

[agile hemlock]

the classic setup for top side is flame wall holy flame totem rolling magma

[reef quest]

i dont like flame wall

rolling magma

[agile hemlock]

it's the best there is

[reef quest]

not my style

i want single skill spam

[agile hemlock]

rangers go Rain of Arrows

[reef quest]

i am occulist witch

[agile hemlock]

witch single skill is hard

[gleaming zodiac]

oh shit these league challenge rewards looks gorgeous i'll have to do 36 challenges now 😱

[reef quest]

give me anything for occulist

[glass seal]

Damn they were like we put so much effort into league that your chapter rewards are shit tier

[kindred shoal]

League rewards have been out for 10 seconds, give your rating

[8/10] - Look pretty good, like the portal and weapon effect

[reef quest]

using puriify flame.. slow

[agile hemlock]

armageddon brand is decent, but doesn't have the best single target

[gleaming zodiac]

they looks pretty good a good 8/10 imo too compared to other leagues 😱

[reef quest]

lets start from beginninbg. Give me idea of single skill for act 1 and 2

[agile hemlock]

rolling magma

[glass seal]

Rolling magma

[agile hemlock]

even without flame wall it's still best

[pastel void]

8.7/10

[reef quest]

not asking single target. i need one skill

[agile hemlock]

I've done both acts without actually equipping the rest of the setup

[pastel void]

witch is usually like srs to start

[agile hemlock]

oh srs is a good idea

[reef quest]

oh

so i go srs?

[pastel void]

its not gonna go occultist in the end with that though prob more likely necro

[reef quest]

i am testing now... near warden

so need some skill

i am hexblast occulist

but need something to get map quick

i will convert occulist to coc ice spear once i get gears

Can someone give me idea on ascendent build?

ascendent is trash?

[agile hemlock]

phys dot scion is gigadead, but the new glad node seems decent, so maybe some goofy bleed scion

[fluid warren]

spectral throw warden gonna be op

[reef quest]

I need a build. I dont want to click to make damage. I played RF two season. I want RF like build. can someone suggest me one?

[native sonnet]

death's oath

[reef quest]

Can someone give low level coc build?

[native sonnet]

or any sort of auto bomber

[reef quest]

My game play is this. Grab 5 mobs and kill once

[native sonnet]

wardloop (takes abit to get going)

[reef quest]

ANyone?

[peak hemlock]

@native sonnet is talking to you

[reef quest]

Death oath has bigger area of effect like rf?

Give me a skill for act 1 and 2 for witch

[tawny pasture]

death oast is worse than RF imo

Wardlood is good but impossible to league start same as auto bomber

[stark sandal]

Would zoomancer or poison SRS be better for blight ravaged farming?

[tawny pasture]

srs probably

[frail steppe]

is melee a bait next league?

[tawny pasture]

whole league is a bait

skip it

[lime crypt]

the game is a bait, uninstall it

[thin otter]

I hope "Your Warcries open Chests" is added to the Warcry Mastery

[unreal mist]

wait'

the league is already out?

i heard something of a private league

is that how people are theory crafting and stuff or am i just stupid as fuck

[violet nymph]

You can setup your private league you silly goose

not play it

[unreal mist]

wait so what is a private league

[violet nymph]

a league that's private

that releases on the 26th with the actual league

[high fossil]

It's a league with nobody else in it, just you and your friends

[devout osprey]

can make it harder than usual. you invite people

[unreal mist]

ohh thats fuckign sick as fuck

[high fossil]

It does cost real money, though

[unreal mist]

ih shit

early access basically

[high fossil]

But you can crowdfund to get the participants to help cover it

[high fossil]

No, nothing is early

Launches at the same time

[unreal mist]

ah okay

[high fossil]

Just gotta pay to put up the wall, and add the mods you want (that only make it harder, never easier or more rewarding)

[native sonnet]

affliction abyss lmp would like a word

[high fossil]

"that are intended to only make it harder, not easier or more rewarding"

That was a wild one

[native sonnet]

[burnt anchor]

Hey y'all, I've only every really played 1 league. Is there anything that can be done right now to prepare for the new league on Friday?

[native sonnet]

finish ur irl stuff, let ur friends/family know u will be fine, just not responding for the next week, food prep

[devout osprey]

find an interesting build.

[native sonnet]

laundry, cleanup

[devout osprey]

subscribe to neversink's filters.

[native sonnet]

setup standard stash, if not already done

[devout osprey]

oh fk i havent done that

[native sonnet]

decide on build, lvling practice, reread patch notes 10 times, atlas strats

check youtube/reddit for and CC that relates to ur build/strat and downvote them for less competition

[whole shore]

lol

[burnt anchor]

Ok tyvm!

[violet nymph]

cook hamburger helper in advance

[burnt anchor]

Ah too expensive now

[high fossil]

How about 20grilledcheeses instead of 2?

[south breach]

Any thought on the Divine Retribution retaliation skill if it's decent?

[grim basalt]

why would you kinetic blast a warden and not KB trickster?

[hasty perch]

it looks very good , the wording implies that you'll overlap hits

you need to be a spellcaster who blocks or at least stays somewhat melee to make good use of it though and can scale phys converted spells

i could see a divine ire/storm burst build using it , its the same scaling

[arctic cargo]

what league start build would yall recommend that can take me through pinnacle bosses?

with atleast decent clear

[south breach]

Interesting. Not sure what I am doing yet for a league starter.

[kindred shoal]

Does anyone know if your map runners in Kingsmarch will use your atlas tree?

was that in the FAQ anywhere

[lime crypt]

the good old hexblast?

[kindred shoal]

damn

but ty

[pastel void]

would be too storng if they did

[tranquil beacon]

I wonder if you can map so fast you wont have enough workers to mine the resources

The timer on the mining looks veeeery long

[kindred shoal]

Wonder what is best strat for map runners then.. can they run guardian maps and blight maps maybe..

things that give good rewards regardless of atlas

[pastel void]

They can run guardians idk about blight but they have a chance to fail

[violet nymph]

If they don't give at least a doc when they're fully setup im not guna bother in endgame

Div*

[native sonnet]

a div per map?

[lime crypt]

lol dude, if they run blight maps, 100% chance they will die

they don't have anointed rings like you and me

nor do they know how to construct towers

[pastel void]

ha

You dont know that 😦

[swift zenith]

The town things look like a bonus and to idle when you out, some takes hours to complete

[dreamy maple]

What league starter are you gonna play and why?
My best guess rn is LS warden..

If you had to recommend a witch build, which would you recommend?

[native sonnet]

dirtydan archmage balllightning or orbiting

[pastel void]

not ls warden too heavily meta

[tawdry plover]

Going to play TR into some crit poison thing after

[dreamy maple]

I think meta is gonna be archmage and melee

[swift zenith]

Ls and fb will be popular too, warden is also a new thing

[pastel void]

fb will be split by slayer and trickster

Hopefully they each build the claw diffirent but I doubt it

[swift zenith]

I am on the hopes of tinctures to be any good

[pastel void]

heck if fb just gets a way to gen rage for trickster its gonna be great imo my pobs are showing some nice numbers

[distant condor]

Can’t decide between slam or LS

[barren crescent]

Going to hate myself and pesti strike pf

[odd gate]

pestilent feels so bad

[bitter locust]

I see people saying Sandstorm Visage will be rarer in 3.25 but I've turned up nothing searching the patches notes. Where is that mentioned?

[waxen kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFVLcNTXtxM&t=1023s

it didn't timestamp properly 😦

at 28:15

[bitter locust]

Thank you!

[inland crescent]

Think gear for holy relic will be cheap since everyone is going melee?

[pastel void]

A lot cheaper then regularly yeah but a well known person did post a relic build but its obv not gonna as popular

[sonic stirrup]

Maybe they meant pricier because it got buffed in practice?