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[wanton thicket]

Yes

Including everything that has changed thus far :(

[waxen kindle]

so did you not put on a crown of eyes or use battlemage's cry to adjust that

because it shouldn't be that harsh

[wanton thicket]

You just take wand mastery

It’s that harsh lol

Deadeye version I ran had 14 splits and 9 projectiles

Err 13 and 9

So 126 hits per attack

That goes down to 36 with snipers mark nerf

Went from ~2200 increased damage to like 800 with mastery

And with reduced snipers mark increased damage taken and then reduced effectiveness of KBolt

I lost all of my damage lol

[waxen kindle]

that is unfortunate

[wanton thicket]

Very

At least I had fun and sold like 3 of the builds for 3-5 mirrors each lol

[tawdry plover]

They all become veiled scarab- ones u open that give a random one

[solemn dagger]

What is this?

Can i click it?

Trust nobody on Discord..

Oh, nvm, it's the Passive Atlas Tree site, my bad

[opaque radish]

Any guesses on what Transfigured Holy Relic might be?

[full basin]

I feel like exorcising corpses should raise a monster (like metamorph) to defeat to get the crafted item.
Feels a bit wierd otherwise

[hot quail]

i just hope they add a button to cut down on the yellings when we craft

they sounded really long

in the video

[sonic stirrup]

we already have that, it's called blood altar

I can see why they want this to be different

though I guess it could also have been made different

via making the monster an amalgamation

I kinda like not having to fight though

[hot quail]

agreed

i dislike metamorph, i dont need more of it

[sonic stirrup]

Like, especially if you've filled the entire necropolis

Sounds like it would've had to have been really difficult

[hot quail]

we've allready fought and killed and traded for the good monsters... i dont want to suffer again

i am wondering about the keystone for map modifiers

if you remove any chance of added content,but add 0-80% on map modifiers..

what would be the benefit?

[sonic stirrup]

just a lot of raw pack size, iir, and iiq

[hot quail]

so for like raw scarab farming?

[sonic stirrup]

I feel like it has some consideration for MF grinding

When you just want to blast maps and MF

do nothing but blast enemies

[rain oriole]

why no atlas tree or gem data or any kind of spoiler today..

[visual wyvern]

The atlas tree has been fully released already - not sure it needs a spoiler at this point

The adjusted Gem Data is already in PoB - just not the new Transfigured gems yet

[rain oriole]

ohh atlas tree revealed already lol i didn't know that

we have map data too ?

[visual wyvern]

Nope not yet

Got a whole week of spoilers to go - and theres only really a few things left to reveal

[rain oriole]

yeah including challenge rewards(generally last one spoiled)

[violet nymph]

so to know if a link is legit check the origin so blabla.com that is the important part and if you cant trust it then use https://www.virustotal.com

and the answer is yes for that one

[tender ibex]

idk if I can trust VirusTotal 🤔

[maiden mesa]

i thought it was spelled with a G and not C

[rain oriole]

someone mentioned about atlas passive tree calculator which calculates best pathing any idea about that website?

[visual wyvern]

pathofpathing

[sterile brook]

well you can always

[wanton surge]

The size of your brain astounds me

[maiden mural]

have we gotten the challenge rewards for Necropolis yet?

[dusty cove]

gife alt elemental hit info 😦

[neat ice]

will there be more leaks?

like the ones before league announcement

with new uniques, ubers uniques drop tables, maybe some scarabs?

[full basin]

a bit so yes, but no tduring weekend days

expect new ones today 10am New Zealand time

[worthy hawk]

wait does watch stone doesn't give +1 tier to maps?

[harsh bone]

They do

[violet nymph]

https://poeplanner.com/a/xWO

we farm corspes , scrabs and ritual this league

meta in shambles

remaining points for scrab specilazsiton

[wanton surge]

I wonder what the Blight scarabs would do

Bronze scarabs sure, I get

Guranteed blight encounter

But what about the others

[neat ice]

maybe more bosses faster blights lucky chest

usual stuff

[sick mica]

any forts if new posion cococton gem be worth build

[crisp rock]

do you think the new league mechanic will be in heist too?

[devout osprey]

no

[crisp rock]

sad

[devout osprey]

idk for ssure though

[crisp rock]

i mean nobody knows it except GGG :D i like the new season mechanic but i really like heist too

[hasty perch]

the new atlas tree lets you reach 100% chance to get a mecanic

holy moly thats crazy

[violet nymph]

except things like beyond etc.

[hasty perch]

yeah , but if you can force the other stuff you can prob kirac the beyond

[violet nymph]

player got only nerfs this league

and no power creep like in other leagues

[violet nymph]

wrong

build i gota play got buffs

in ascendancy and in gearing

your wrong but I don't feel like arguing with delusional

[lusty burrow]

atlas tree changes more than make up for any perceived nerfs lol

but the build i'll be playing got massively buffed anyway

[sick mica]

Poisonous Concoction any forts around new gem we getting for build as pathfinder

[hot quail]

I am just sad they nerfed harvest juice farming with the sextant change

With the removal of the "atleast one (color) plot"

I doubt they can dedicate 3 scarabs just for 3 colors.

[scenic linden]

why was that necessary?

with the atlas points you can pretty much get yellow plots every time

[hot quail]

Because different colors are used for different things, and people wanted to be able to target farm specific colors

Yes, but for Crop Rotation you only want 1,max 2 plots of the color you want

[scenic linden]

ahh that makes sense

[hot quail]

It also doubled the amount of lifeforce that droppes

[scenic linden]

I think I saw someone using crop rotation on yt

[hot quail]

With a drawback of iirc 100% more monster life

[scenic linden]

that probably gonna have a scarab

[violet nymph]

op skills got nerfed and a jewel giving free stun immune now works as intended !!!! end of times !!!!

not like we cant craft 7 affix items and multiple veiled mods on same gear now

oh also tatoos are back and omens now can be farmed in ritual

tatoos are op all by themselves and we are geting unquie item buffs

[ornate harness]

from what i gathered from the league trailer it seems like the crafting gimmick can only create items, not modify them?

why are people comparing them to fossils

[scenic linden]

yeah its more like rog

guess who is losing his job this league

[dusk sky]

So is melee getting nerfed more this league?

[scenic linden]

except cleave of rage I don't think so

[ashen storm]

I wanted to do rog this league

[hot quail]

You absolutely can do rog this game, he'll likely be faster for items than necro

[dusk sky]

I mean call to arms is removed and made into a skill gem. .3.

[hot quail]

Since rog just need a few logbooks, depending on how many corpses spawn and how rare the high tier ones are, it is probably like eldrich crafting vs conqueror tier

[scenic linden]

ahh right

at this point one has to wonder if ggg has something against meele

[dusk sky]

yeah. ;w;

[violet nymph]

they are very likely to drop from rares

just read atlas mods :3

a node says it makes common packs to have %50 chance to be lead by rares

[dusk sky]

Hoping it's fixed in poe2, I love my bow builds and I always wanted to try mine, totem and trap stuff but fuck sometimes I just wanna hit something.

REALLY HARD, up close mind.

[hot quail]

Yes but there will likely be a wide array of mods, spread over many tiers

[violet nymph]

mods are one tier higher thingy

and we can make rare mods double chance to appeae from passives with some points

appear*

but 7 affix items will be

[hot quail]

So you get... +100 to speed weight instead of 50.double of 0,1% is still not high

[violet nymph]

well drop pools are big so its actualy better

[hot quail]

Just remember that GGG allways juiced the crap out of any mechanic they show in hype trailer

[violet nymph]

also lots of mobs will drop them in juiced maps

as i said packs having rare mob with %50 chance

also not all mods are bad

[hot quail]

Yes but what is base?

[violet nymph]

corpse droping mobs can also drop other loot

[violet nymph]

we gota datamine this day 1

[hot quail]

The mech will likely be way better than rog high end. But hVe higher floor

[violet nymph]

yeah 7 affixes

and can have veild mods

and influence mods without having influence

[hot quail]

By affixes =?

[ornate harness]

also aren't there custom necro mods?

[violet nymph]

like 4 prefix 3 suffix

[hot quail]

Yes, there are

O....o

[ornate harness]

man i kinda wish i played in crucible

[violet nymph]

its juicy af

[ornate harness]

spicy crafting sounds fun

then you go to like harvest/bench and refine your crafted items right

[hot quail]

For sure

[violet nymph]

i wanna try if when we get 7 affix can we anull 3 affix part and modifiy 4s

[hot quail]

You hunt for that t-1 mod, then fracture it and craft as base

[violet nymph]

then craft the rest 3

this way we might get some good mirror tier items

like curse effect + charges + all res + flat life

[dusk sky]

also asking as someone who'll be wanting to play this season, are the league starters available applicable to necropolis relatively or should I wait and/or ask later for that?

[violet nymph]

with 3 implicts from harvest craft

[scenic linden]

Yes Ik that feeling

[ornate harness]

i'd wait a bit

[violet nymph]

usualy same

[hot quail]

League starters are being thought out right now by lots of people

[violet nymph]

i gota play necro sst suisde bomber

[ashen storm]

manaaaa

[violet nymph]

srs*

[hot quail]

Ill just go deadeye with la or ice shot

[ashen storm]

mana

[violet nymph]

mana is not real

[hot quail]

For the fifth time i a row

[dusk sky]

I just wanna do a cheap leaguestarter for duelist or shadow so I can supplement future builds on either that one character or new ones

[ornate harness]

honestly the nerf i was most surprised about was mana and dropping white sockets

[violet nymph]

i can give my srs pob i stole

[ashen storm]

its the mjolner league

[hot quail]

You can still omen white sockets, no?

[ornate harness]

no one wants to manage mana and white sockets is like

why???

[violet nymph]

ritual profits tripled

[dusk sky]

whats it for?

[hot quail]

Why from ritual +

[violet nymph]

you spawn flying skull

[hot quail]

Does ritual drop omens?

[violet nymph]

its hits thrice then explodes

around 5m pinnacle dps with garbo gear

[dusk sky]

oh raging spirit?

[scenic linden]

that sounds like one of path of exile build yt channel builds

[ornate harness]

it's been 3 centuries since i played poe (sanctum was my last league) wtf are omens

[violet nymph]

i checked pob and watched 40 min vid its legit

[dusk sky]

wait but I said I wanted to play duelist or shadow. >:T

[hot quail]

Omens are consumable items that trigger on certain conditions

[violet nymph]

posionus conc assasin for you

for duelist go play a meta one

[hot quail]

Like "you gain 100% more xp for 2 min the next time you level up"

[scenic linden]

Meant as a joke coz of the long name lol

[hot quail]

Thats an omen of.. I cant remember the name

[violet nymph]

yeah some are weird or straight up fake

i literaly seen "mageblood is for qol"

[ornate harness]

omen of blanching

i see

[scenic linden]

lmfao

[hot quail]

"you lose half as much xp the next time you die" is also a nice totem for lategame

[violet nymph]

dont lack ehp

[hot quail]

Or "you get max sockets/links" next time you change sockets or links on an item"

[ornate harness]

you lose quarter xp actually

[hot quail]

Those two are ofc pretty nice

[ornate harness]

i'm on wiki

[hot quail]

Ah, yes

[ornate harness]

oh these are from tota

[hot quail]

Ye

[ornate harness]

yeah omens were shown in reward pool for ritual in the league reveal

[hot quail]

Aaah

[ornate harness]

though it feels like betrayal keeps getting nerfed

[violet nymph]

i gota run scrabs ritual and league mechanic :p

[ornate harness]

[hot quail]

I just want the new ice shot trans to be good

But the no + arrows...

[ornate harness]

i don't think i can stand playing another bow skill this league

i played ts to death in sanctum

[violet nymph]

play necro srs with me

anyways imma go

bully anyone who says patch notes nerfed us

[ornate harness]

i mean i'll probably do that until i get wraithlord

[scenic linden]

well if the new scarabs are good enough it might actually be a buff

[ornate harness]

maybe

[scenic linden]

and sellling aisling on tft was never fun

[devout osprey]

tft was never fun

[scenic linden]

XD

[ornate harness]

i can definitely see gravicious intervention being super good if you can get that favored map scarab

[scenic linden]

hopefully they make the scarabs to drop in other divisons too or its gonna be everyone in intervention

[ornate harness]

i think there's a new betrayal cheat sheet lemme find it

[scenic linden]

ayo its already out?

[scenic linden]

gravivics got the biggest buff lol

seems like its gonna be everyone in intervention

[ornate harness]

vorici research for harvest scarabs

wait it's harvest vs delirium

wokege

[scenic linden]

there goes my white sockets

well its not completely useless but now it seems like Caterina rushing is the way to go now

[safe plover]

I am just sad that literally every build got nerfed by the hillock change

you can forget about 30% qual uniques

[copper dune]

ok, but if they needed to nerf player power, that was a great place to do it.

[safe plover]

did they though? Even with all the player power from last league it still was not all those many players that were farming ubers

and given that betrayal is not exactly popular to begin with, in that all they had was veiled items and hillock as exclusive rewards - it didn't help betrayal to stand out

[copper dune]

Ever think that maybe the reason why Betrayal isn't popular is the root of the problem? Making betrayal crafting tradable serves the public more than keeping it niche.

Now, if you don't want to interact with Betrayal, you still have access to those things

[safe plover]

We do not have access to 30% qual crafts though

Betrayal is only the 2nd most efficient scarab farm(deli orbs is best)

[midnight crest]

but AoE + bigger chill path.. + pierce With proper build it can be good but without try you can't say for sure..

[copper dune]

beastcraft still can

[safe plover]

Harvest exists for lifeforce, Beasts exist for beastcrafting, breach exists for loreweave and some specific uniques, legion for its special jewels

what did betrayal have? 30% quality and veiled items that are useless after you hit the affix one single time

now it only has the veiled items and veiled orbs

and veiled orbs are not even related to how you set up your board, just your catarinas per hour

Believe it or not, syndicate USED to be popular, back when you were able to use it to flip breachstones.

[safe plover]

has to currupt the item

[violet nymph]

Betrayal needs to be replaced by ToTA

[safe plover]

that is way too much power

[faint ravine]

Corrupting is an upside unless you plan to mirror or vaal though. Just means you have to finish crafting first, then corrupt, then link

[faint ravine]

Tota needs to stay exactly where it is

The tatoos are nice but the tota gameplay is toxic af

[violet nymph]

So you didn't reach 1000 score in ToTA

[faint ravine]

0es ci full dodge eva spelldodge block 0 damage builds go brrr

[faint ravine]

Sure did

[ivory maple]

Betrayal has great xp, great ssf gearing, some important veiled mods (phys as ele, endurance charges) etc.
Just dumbing the mechanics down to 1-2 things is too simple

[faint ravine]

It's all about cheesing the ai and not getting hit because everything is 1shot anyways

[ivory maple]

Betrayal together with essences, expedition and harvest is the bread and butter of ssf

[safe plover]

how much do veiled items sell for? 1c? 2c?

[violet nymph]

Why do SSF players need a league when they can simply not trade, this proves that they are easily tempted

[safe plover]

oh, and the beastcraft 30% quality only works on weapons and armor

we still cannot get 30% flasks easily

[faint ravine]

....vaal orbs

[safe plover]

i said easily, not a "must roll quality, then must roll 1 in 20"

+- 10 quality can hit anywhere in the range

[faint ravine]

But rolling flasks is much faster that getting hillock into reserch 4

[safe plover]

expensive as hell

[faint ravine]

...which still didnt give you 30qual either

Just 28

Perfect gear is expensive, oh nooooooooooo

Whatever will we do

[safe plover]

I am not talking perfect, just decent

even rolling a 5c flask when it comes to quality goes to a div or above

[faint ravine]

Rolling a decent flask is like 100 alts tops, plus 4 glassblowers for 20 qual

[safe plover]

done around 60 times because it is currupt craft needed

[faint ravine]

Hillock 4 Bench went for 1-1.5div for 28%

[faint ravine]

You need 60 attempts on average to hit a 1 in 20?

[safe plover]

The currupt rolls Quality/implicit/nothing BEFORE the 1 in 20

[noble terrace]

Is spectral throw going to be a good league starter?

[safe plover]

so 20 times 3

60 rolls(and this is ignoring bricking)

[noble terrace]

Or at least decent

[faint ravine]

There are no corrupted flaskimplicits

Corrupting flasks gives EXACTLY and ALWAYS between + and -10% qual

Read the newsposts before you complain about them

And even IF you were right about the odds, which you arent, then it's still not become more expensive to get to 30q as to 28q before on a 5c base flask, BY YOUR OWN NUMBERS

Because hillock 4 Research wasnt free

[safe plover]

Only if working off of cheap flasks

even a 20c value flask becomes more expensive to currupt roll than the hillock craft

[faint ravine]

For flasks in the 5c cost region to get to 28+q, this is basically a straight buff. Easier to trade, more accessible, cheaper

[faint ravine]

Correct

Which circles back to my point of "perfect items are hard to get oooooooh nooooooo"

[safe plover]

most builds use a 1 div unique flask

it isn't even "perfect items" it is just a non-optional 1 div flask

[faint ravine]

And now you have to choose if you want to invest into it for higher uptime or not

It's not like a q20 flask is unusable

And you get a higher ceiling

(from 28 to 30q)

Also the only 1div non optional unique flask i can think of is ToH and precisely on pathfinder or traitor builds

This is a nerf primarily to prog tbh

[safe plover]

I guess your idea of good gear is not the same as mine

I was thinking like oriaths end in rf builds

which is essentially needed to help the clear

(but actually not COMPLETELY optional)

[faint ravine]

Oriaths end 1 div?

I wanna play in your Economy lol

Also for clear you dont need 30qual

Your flasks should be perma up at 20 and probably even 0q when using oriaths end. You get more than plenty flaskcharges from the kills

Quality only increases duration and duration really is only relevant when there are no mobs dying, and on super charge intensive flasks like olroths, dying sun, ruumis

Oriaths end in particular has super high base duration at very low charges used, being a bismuth and all. If you dont sustain oriaths end while using it (aka mapping/clearing), how are you even clearing at all?

[safe plover]

Last league played a pathfinder, needed TRUE 100% uptime(as the flasks fixed resistances), took a lot more investment than you would think

Perhaps pseudo 100% uptime is good enough while mapping for most builds

[faint ravine]

Ok so now we're down to 1 out of 19 ascendancies (well, 2. Scion pf also counts i guess)

Which i btw particularly pointed out already

That and traitor builds

[safe plover]

any other ascendancy can only hit pseudo 100% uptime

[faint ravine]

And rolling perma ele flasks for Pf is STUPID easy

[faint ravine]

Wrong. Traitor.

And scion.

And we're very far away from "Most builds require a 1 div unique flask with 30q"

Which, again, you DIDNT HAVE to start with, as max was 28q

Also flask duration Tattoos are coming back

Helping with permaflasks

Also Eater implicit on bodyarmour for 2 charges each 3 seconds

Avaliable to all classes

[safe plover]

I saw no mention of that even with ctrl+f on the patch notes, they are merely changing the effect of tattoos, no indication of letting them be rewards again

Hillock no longer has quality craft
"Hillock's Transportation Safehouse reward is now a chest of Essence Scarabs. This does not apply to Ruthless." "Hillock's Research Safehouse reward is now a stash of Anarchy Scarabs. This does not apply to Ruthless." "Hillock's Fortification Safehouse reward is now a trapped stash of Scarabs."

only weapons and armor, it currupts

there is not one for flasks, they added in flask currupt to replace hillock, but that is +-10 qual and will be a pain to hit a decent value

[faint ravine]

But, AGAIN, you COULDNT 30Q flasks TO BEGIN WITH

[safe plover]

also chances are that the odds will get worse when they add flask currupt implicits in a later patch

[faint ravine]

Well, you could, but that's multiple leagues ago now

[safe plover]

it is still a betrayal nerf

[faint ravine]

Didnt watch the Video then i guess

[faint ravine]

I dont think anybody will argue against that

[forest remnant]

I call this the no bullshit only walue, atlas.
no extra content can spawn.
points leftover to grab economically preferable scarab droprate nodes.

I'm ASSUMING Back to Basics doesn't prevent Melvin Witness. (And that you can still run Juardian/Elderslayer Meeps, just without extra influenced packs spawning. 🤔 )

Although I'm hoping ( ) that Anarchy Scarabs may make spec'ing into Rouge Exiles actually worth.. so could go a Torment/Exile tree instead, too. 🤔

What sucks is Unwavering Vision prevents Scarabs from dropping.. but the only reason I'd even WANT 20 extra nodes, is to get more Scarab drop chance..

Especially since there's a node that makes uniques have 200% inc scarab drop chance.. and Exiles are uniques.

[wary smelt]

if ur gonna spec into exiles might as well spec into delirum too

for the node that gives chance for unqiues to drop clusters

you'll get ilvl 84 clusters that way

[forest remnant]

B-but.. I hate Delulu.. It's scary.

[wary smelt]

it's big money if u hit good ilvl 84 clusters though

uniques is +2 to ilvl i believe

[forest remnant]

Hmm.

I need more atlas passives.

problem is, only way to get more, negates half the strat I wanna do..

[wary smelt]

what are u trying to farm?

[forest remnant]

melvin witness bosses, mostly.

and juardian/slayers.

sadly destructive play now requires u to clear.. :/

I'm curious how it scales.

[wary smelt]

it says on the keystone

[forest remnant]

that doesn't say how it scales though.

just that it does.

[wary smelt]

oh from the reveal they said it was under 50 for max i believe

[forest remnant]

based on the thorough exploration node, i imagine "less than 50 monsters remaining" would give full destructive play effect.

[wary smelt]

u'll probs have to wait for datamine to get the actual value but even then it's not like you gonna check how many monsters there are to get +2 additional bosses

[forest remnant]

but i wonder if the full effect guarantees 3 extra bosses, or just increases chances of getting 3.. and by how much if so. and also what the thresholds for clear increasing chances would be.. like if u just clear on the way to boss, how effective is that vs <50.

[faint ravine]

Play strand, do both

[forest remnant]

Cries in Mesa gone 😭

[faint ravine]

(i know you need 10 different Maps for maven rush)

[forest remnant]

Shity Square also gone.

was a good melvin map.

[faint ravine]

I prefered Atoll for easy combination with essences and alvas tbh

[forest remnant]

(Mesa wasn't, but it was easy for clearing and killing boss.. i ran like 100 mesas at end of affliction to grind out some challenges fast.)

[faint ravine]

But with essences gutted i'll need a new plan anyways

[forest remnant]

is it really gutted? u just gotta do yellow+maps now, and dont have duplication.

i wonder if esse scarabs will have duplication.

This seems really interesting to me.

[faint ravine]

You dont have duplication, AND you only have 1 high-tier Essence instead of +1 to all essence tiers

[forest remnant]

Afaik that's a new node.

[faint ravine]

90% of essences had a shrieking already anyways

[forest remnant]

So a boss can effectively have a chance to drop horrors/stuff, if u hit it.

[faint ravine]

Yeah, or a tier1 miniondamage one

[wary smelt]

tbh essense nerfs will probs just cause price to go up to adjust since demand is gonna be same

the bigger issue is if the league mech is actually really good and makes essences demand drop

[faint ravine]

If you spec into essence you'll kill at least 3 essencemobs with in average something like 4-5 essences in them

[forest remnant]

league mechanic is gonna be the most cancer thing to ever have cancerred in PoE.

gonna make metamorph, bestiary, and harvest look like it was fun.

[faint ravine]

One extra Essence dropped is barely anything

[forest remnant]

well if u hit a good remnant corrupt early, u can skip to boss, kill, then backtrack to get rest of essences. 🤔

donno if worth hassle.. but an option.

i think it all ultimately depends on how good essence scarabs are.

[wary smelt]

this pairs well with essence at least

[forest remnant]

I was grabbing that too.

But didn't think about that synergy.

Man, I'd needa drop 22 nodes somehow..

[wary smelt]

anti synergy with Crystal resonance though

[forest remnant]

You think?

5 hatred essences count as 1 modifier or 5?

[full basin]

nope. replaces means that instead of 5 different essences you gues 5 copies of a one

still should be 5 mods

[wary smelt]

oh does it just show same modifer 5x?

[forest remnant]

Yeah.

[wary smelt]

oh ig not anti synergy then

idk how they code it though

[full basin]

otherwise this mod would be completly useless =D

[forest remnant]

🍝

[wary smelt]

anyway i wont say if it is or isnt anti synergy til patch is actually out. you never know how devs code somethings

[hot quail]

It means you wanna scout all essences first and find the best one for 5x the payoff

[forest remnant]

then kill boss, then do rest.

[hot quail]

Right? Not sure how it works with the MEDS, but that could be stonks

[forest remnant]

seems like too much hassle. prob not worth.

[hot quail]

If corrupting gets you an upgraded essence, which used to go for like 20-30c..*5

Thats potentially 100c per map for 1 vaal

[forest remnant]

crystal resonance says "A map boss", so if u have multiple bosses, i guess only 1 of them gets the extra essence? lame..

[hot quail]

And since the higher end essences will be waaaaay rarer now

[wary smelt]

ends up being the same. and you don't vaal essences lol

[hot quail]

You know what i mean.

:p

Also with the level change i would expect the amount of essences available to drop by a bit.

[wary smelt]

all this does is that when you hit the high tier essence it's a gamble to when you get it

[forest remnant]

What are "Doomed Spirits"?

[wary smelt]

that node just changes essence money to spike when you do hit the MEDS ones.

the money making is about same with or without it

[forest remnant]

yeah, it's more RNG. cud just as easily eff u.

[wary smelt]

if you want consistant money making you just dont take that node if u dont wanna gamba everytime

[forest remnant]

Are they like Torment?

[wary smelt]

we don't know yet ig

[forest remnant]

I really wanna know if Anarchy Scarabs are gonna be pog or not.. that'd make deciding on tree much easier. 😅

[thin willow]

anyone know if the league is out yet or not

sorry if dumb question

[forest remnant]

friday

[thin willow]

😭

[light adder]

you can check the countdown on homepage or ingame login

[forest remnant]

this is the waiting room.

[thin willow]

didnt know that thank you

[forest remnant]

This is what I'll do if Exiles are trash, and Back to Basics doesn't work out. (Prob drop Tamper-Proof strongbox node to get Scarab type node for best Scarab. 🤔 )

[faint ravine]

True

[faint ravine]

Didnt think about that that's a good point

[violet nymph]

why torment

for rares drop scrab per mod by %50 increased thing?

[forest remnant]

more quant from ghosted bosses.

[violet nymph]

ahh boss version

imma do rare version

with srs explodey

[silent sage]

Anyone knows if we're getting more tattos than the ones in the patch notes? From reading I got the impressions the ones noted were only the ones changed, is there any chance the keystone tattoos are back?

[forest remnant]

Whoops, I'm blind, 2 nodes in the "roof" are missing.. 😅 🙈

[wary smelt]

nope

if it's not in patch notes it's not gonna be in

[vivid badge]

Look I aint got an idea on where to go with it, but you can have 12 spectres up so this gives you 600% crit rate for spells lol

[forest remnant]

Is it 12?

[vivid badge]

If you use temporary spectres. Ye, 4 from the helmet, 4 from the base gem, 2 from soul wick, 1 from passive, 1 from skill quality

[wary smelt]

i mean still trash item

[forest remnant]

there's a delve affix for +1 spectre too, no? and cud get 1-2 from unique weapons.

but you're better off being a spectre build than just using them for some crit, when there's easier less hassle ways to get crit.

[dreamy raven]

can GGG hurry up and announce the league rewards 🥺🥺

[violet nymph]

its a totem

and unanimated cape

dont forget smol pet

at lvl 40 you get a whole character effect that is unseen when you use any auras

[dreamy raven]

where did it got announce?

[light adder]

they are trolling

[dreamy raven]

Uhh that troll emoji

[violet nymph]

i love trolling here

but i also help people

[dreamy raven]

I will consider everything u say hoax

[violet nymph]

league rewards might be announced 3-4 days before

[violet nymph]

nah i am legit about poe lore

[silent sage]

despair

[forest remnant]

I just hope they're bad, so I don't have to do Challenges this League..

[frigid jewel]

Hi all... looking at Ramako Sun's light in marauder tree... Someone knows how far is "nearby" for apply the -20% fire resistance to enemies?

[gray swan]

@frigid jewel Not 100% sure but most ascendancy related things like this like the Occultist -20 chaos res is 6 Meters.

So a good guess for me would be that.

[frigid jewel]

Oh, sure, didn't though about this. I guess you are correct, thanks

[winged wedge]

I want a bud with good clear and 'spectacle' that can still do bosses well

*build

How is LA Deadeye?

[wary smelt]

bad single target @winged wedge

it's why it transitions into TS which has good single target

but TS did get nerfed this league

more than fine for LA to get to 2 voidstones though

[violet nymph]

spectacle?

[velvet palm]

Wait where do you get tattoos from now

[violet nymph]

Necropolis mechanic allflame will spawn it on mobs

[sweet canyon]

what is your starter for Necropolis ?

[devout osprey]

im going rf cheif from pohx

then after some money ill see whats good

[sweet canyon]

i dunno what to play this time,
Hexblast, lightning arrow, rf, it's hard thiis time

[visual dock]

guys how does this affect the rewards from necropolis league ? im struggling to understand the increase/reduce effect of hunted modifers nods on atlas and how they actually impact the rewards

[austere whale]

what is embers of the allflame?

[light adder]

stuff like this

[violet nymph]

What are Demonic Powers?

[light adder]

what the text at the bottom tells you

[violet nymph]

What are those benefits

[light adder]

ask again when they patch them into the game

[fierce nacelle]

Did they change the passive skill tree at all?

[visual dock]

entirely

[fierce nacelle]

Not the atlas the pasisves for characters

[visual dock]

oohhh barely

mostly some mana mods changs

[smoky geyser]

Like the horny mechanical spider god

[visual dock]

so it increase the effect of the negative but also the possitive? but werent the possitive mods considered devoted and not hunted?

[wary smelt]

im assuming they work on both

we have no way to tell til its actually in game

[visual dock]

i see thanks

[sage thorn]

That teaser
Oops! All Frogs

[somber junco]

the more the risk, the greater the rewards

[cursive gust]

Y'all, is the keystone tattoo going to be available in league?

[sonic stirrup]

Dunno

[cursive gust]

Rest in peace!!!

[quiet sail]

It doesn’t look like any of the big node tattoos are in

At least they’re not in the patch notes

[fallen trench]

So, I was messing with this new item, and found that you could go a marauder berzerker caster build with the item...
I decided to add spark to the build... I tested to increase the rage in configurator, it does increase it.
How could I move forward with this idea

[maiden mesa]

i thought it was spelled with G and not C

[maiden mural]

they added tattoo-s back?

[honest egret]

yes, not all though

looks like just the small node ones

at least i've seen only those in patchnotes

[viscid sable]

hmm, is march of the legion dead now with the removal of reduced mana cost on flasks?

ah, bigdaddy has a video on this it seems, excellent

[wary crater]

Hello gamers, I plan on comming back to the game after a bit of a break (didn't play past few leagues) I am fairly new to PoE overall and currently looking for a build to league start with. Would you recommend cyclone shockwave build for someone unexperienced? looks fun to me.
If not is there any other (non bow) build i should look at?

[neat ice]

Shockwave cyclone is weak af, take a look at hexblast mines or necro detonate dead

[wary crater]

I am not saying i am looking for something OP, just something "newbie" friendly and fairly easy to build

I played DD last time i played the game, looking for something different, great suggestion tho

[neat ice]

Dd is easy to build, have very detailed guide on maxroll

[snow marten]

I'm just curious what happens when you put DD is T17

Somewhere it was mentioned scaling of health wouldn't go upto T17..

[neat ice]

Some of dd folks said that it doesnt matter

[snow marten]

Fair enough then.. not a DD player myself

[wary crater]

what do you think about poison blade vortex?

looks great on paper and based on video I just watched plays cool as well

[neat ice]

You can make it work fairly cheap, but its pure mapping build

And i dont like poison

[wary crater]

I am crap at bossing anyway

[snow marten]

Bossing is easier then you might think.. with the right build

[stable yoke]

How is LA gonna be for bossing? Like will I be able to do the ubers n stuff?

Seems as long as I can dodge getting one shotted it's ok, but idk if I'll have the dmg

[barren crescent]

It can, but requires gear

And you need to basically do ubers hitless

[stable yoke]

Hmmm

[neat ice]

Why do you want to boss on la?

[snow marten]

What kind of masochism is that

[stable yoke]

Well basically I started playing around a month ago. LA has been damn good to me for mapping, and it's all I know lol

So I was hoping

But I had a feeling

[snow marten]

Its a mapper.. it does mapping well.. single target not so much

[stable yoke]

It would be good or decent at making currency then yeah? So I could make another boss killer character to gear up

[neat ice]

Sure

[snow marten]

Legion.. Breach maybe.. Something like Alva could somewhat work..

[zenith warren]

+1 socket for minion builds from heist

[snow marten]

Heist farming huh

I wonder if lab running is something people might end up doing..

[green remnant]

What are some decent looking league starter that people has theorised by now?

[neat ice]

Hex blast, dd, la, some of the new archmage setups, bama

[woven steppe]

whats bama stand for?

[cunning nova]

blink arrow mirror arrow

[high wing]

How huge is the nerf for early ts builds ?

Like for league starting and early mapping

[neat ice]

Pretty huge i’d say

But on high end still best bow skill in game

[high wing]

Ok so not worth to use over LA?

[neat ice]

La is better on low-mid gear

[high wing]

So if I were to league start this, it would be better to have la as main skill? https://pobb.in/4eKd68zYMaiI

[neat ice]

Why do you leaguestart on scion?

[ashen storm]

[high wing]

I find acts extremely booring even with carry and willing to have a little weaker start in order to not do acts again

[stable yoke]

So I'm lvl 82 lightning arrow but been kinda winging it.

But I just found precise technique and dang it's so strong. I'm wondering at what crit chance would it be a bad choice?

Wrong channel I suppose for this

[green remnant]

Precise technique usually only for lower levels unless the build doesnt rely on crit and yes wrong channel

[worthy hawk]

when you have a decent base bow and precision and can spect into the bow crit chance/multi nodes

[open turret]

When is the new league usally released on console?

[scenic linden]

is there no timer on the title screen?

[open turret]

Oh idk, didnt check. Ill check

[neat ice]

This league is released at the exact time as on pc

[dusk sky]

Is there any good mine league starters that'd work for necropolis or should I just wait

[scenic linden]

hexblast probably was the only good one this league

Saw a lot of content creators trying the new gems so I say its hexblast or wait

[dusk sky]

🫠

[wanton surge]

Hmmm

Trying to make an early game build that uses Unwavering Vision by pathing through beastiary nodes into the gateways

[dusk sky]

It's anxiety inducing, I've always been curious about mines in general, but not having a clear idea as to how to use them, as well as being determined that one didn't need a league start guide in the past just made me never try them proper. <`>

[scenic linden]

Tell me about it, I have been trying to get into minions but not sure if it would actually feel good to play or in this case not play

[dusk sky]

Probably doesn't help that the two builds I typically like doing (bows and melee) are either expensive so you can't league start with them, or super nerfed or finnicky respectively.

[wanton surge]

I had a decent amount of fun with minions

Zoomancer and the like

[dusk sky]

here's hoping PoE2 is more freeform but otherwise I wish you could experiment more/there were more people experimenting with PoE. Or even just giving simple guidelines on What to do/not to do for a league starter. <~>

[wanton surge]

Build's are fun, but they do feel kind of samey since their almost all varying shades of "stand and watch minions do cool stuff"

[sour wing]

Every time I league start with minions I end up rerolling into something more button intensive xD

[wanton surge]

If that's your thing then minions are nice

Yeaaaa Imma try building non minions this league too

Just wondering what

[scenic linden]

only if the game stops punishing you for experimenting, why is respecing not free

[wanton surge]

I also want to use a character I haven't heard the unique dialogue of, so it's a toss up between mines/something like blade blast

[scenic linden]

[wanton surge]

Tbf

[dusk sky]

Game's gonna make gold the resource for respec, which means it'll be overall cheaper

[wanton surge]

They are making respeccing

WAYYYYY easier

[dusk sky]

in poe2 imean

[wanton surge]

For atlas trees at least

[scenic linden]

lmfao that's the part I'm worried about

[wanton surge]

I mean if you have fun with one minion build for one league, you still had fun

It's just that you probably won't find much enjoyment in future minion builds since their all fundamentally just reusing offerings/minion buffs while watching your minions do cool things

Unless you really like that playstyle

Which...turns out I don't-

[sour wing]

I've had lots of fun with minion builds. I just end up losing interest at around lvl 92 lol

[wanton surge]

Fair

I want to do a marauder totem build again since that was my first build playing the game

[scenic linden]

wait really? that's freaking awesome, why can't they do smth like this in poe1 though

[wanton surge]

Without a guide too

It was funni

It was also in standard league so I restarted as a Witch following a dedicated minion build

[dusk sky]

part of me's also just tempted to make another league starter again myself but I know I'm gonna get told "find a league starter build instead of making one it's bad" instead of anything ultimately constructive. <~> But it's anxiety inducing knowing there might not be anything till a day after the league starts.

[wanton surge]

There already are league started builds coming out thoo

[dusk sky]

Any for mines tho? Traps I'm sure

[wanton surge]

I didn't know there was a distinction between the two tbh XD

[sour wing]

I asked tytykiller his opinion on best build for Legion/Ultimatum (what i'm probably gonna be farming cause they are fun) and he said DD xD

but everyone is gonna be playing DD

sooo.. idk

[dusk sky]

Traps have more variety and detonate on proximity.
Mines only have 4 different skills and a skill that helps support the playstyle in skitterbots, and have to press an extra button for Mines to go off

They both generally take similar nodes and if you're playing shadow they end up going into the same ascendancy, but there's different strats and mechanics to mines altogether

[scenic linden]

It was the most played ls this league how tf it didn't get any nerf but srs got one?

[sour wing]

Good question lol

[scenic linden]

[wanton surge]

I wanna farm Beastiary/Ultimatum/Ritual

[snow marten]

Why in gods name did they nerf tornade shot AND sniper's mark.. like cmon

[wanton surge]

Maybe smth else than ritual but the nodes are pretty close together

[copper dune]

Gotta shake it up I guess, lol

[wanton surge]

NOOOO ranger only has 90 million powerful builds instead of 100 million

GGG finally killed her smh

[copper dune]

Lay down your bow and pick up a staff/axe

[snow marten]

I somewhat called it a while ago.. "Watch them nerf sniper's mark cuz tornado shot is too OP"

And guess what...

[scenic linden]

tbf ts was broken af

[snow marten]

Yea.. but then nerf tornado shot.. not a mark skill that just soo happened to be used

Ow well... nothing we can do about it now

[scenic linden]

lmfao

[sour wing]

Does DD really have the AoE for Legion farming though?

[snow marten]

i completely understand the reason they nerfed tornado shot.. and it was called for.. But sniper's mark is not only used by ranger..

[wanton surge]

yeah i get the frustration

I think they just want people not to use Sniper's Mark for a league or two so other skills can get attention

[snow marten]

Meanwhile my planned league starter will be using it anyways..

Just sad to see its dmg decreased by 30% Just from that nerf.. It was a decent build.. but now its more of a gamble

[frigid jewel]

What is the worst that can happen if you make your build? That is bad. And? You are going to learn something from mistakes. Next one will be better. Is your time and your fun. Sure, if you only care about being effective, that is another topic. If not, just go for what you like

[wanton surge]

What are your guys planned atlas tree sets

[fringe fractal]

can someone tell me what mtx they use

i want this so bad

[wanton surge]

I wonder what the new blight scarabs are gonna do

[dusk sky]

The big problem is that I don't wanna get stuck and have to restart, I'm trying to get to the endgame so I have a character I can use to take advantage of the necropolis economy and then by proxy freely experiment without worry of failure

I've already failed in leagues passed and I've already accomplished getting to the endgame on my own merits with some critique on a slayer vaal cleave build.

[rancid gate]

U wont really know to abuse early eco if ur new even if u somehow get a good build going day 1-3

[fresh spoke]

So I have a couple questions. I haven't played in a couple leagues. If a group of 3 would rush maps together what builds would you have us go comp wise? Is aurabot still a great thing. Help would be appreciated.

[scenic linden]

unwavering vision + expedition for atlas completion rushing, beasts for white maps now that essences are gone will have to see what else to pair with it maybe harbingers and pray for mirror shard XD

[dusk sky]

I'm not as new as again, I've done previous leagues and I've failed those hurdles before. I know economy helps balance out gear if you don't have good elemental resistance by atlas time, I know the real hallmarks of some builds are expensive, hence why you can't league start with half of the skills in the game, and I know you have to be really picky with nodes and gear you get to deal the right amount of damage and have the best amount of defenses and life for the character one plays

[frigid jewel]

In this case you need a strong proven build to start with and make cash with it, assuming you're gonna play on trade. But this is what i never do, even if is the logic thing 🤣 . If i like a build, i league start with it. Eventually fail. And restart. I know i'm not gonna see too much endgame this way, but normally i don't like to play leaguestarter build for a reason or another

[dusk sky]

I'm probably overworrying about things, especially with anticipational anxiety from having to wait for the league to come out but I wanna be able to enjoy the game but also not fail again this time. >~>;

[rancid gate]

Yeah no need

[scenic linden]

yeah the anxiety is killing me too

[rancid gate]

I started 3.23 2 weeks after the launch still made 10 mirrors

[brisk wave]

There seems to be 4 blight scarabs. My guess.

-area contains a blight encounter

• oils dropped are 2 tiers higher
• rewards are rarer. +x% chance for each lane to be duplicated
  -increased chance of dropping blighted maps and maps dropped have chance to contain blight enchant

[dusk sky]

Is that temple builder thing still in the game out of curiosity?

or will still be in the game i mean, I liked doing that when I got to maps for the first (and so far only) time.

[rancid gate]

Alva?

[dusk sky]

her!

[scenic linden]

yes she is

[dusk sky]

Cool because that's one of the things I liked doing most besides bestiary,

[scenic linden]

and now you have a 100% chance of getting her from the atlas

[dusk sky]

oo neat

[wanton surge]

Alva's cool

[frigid jewel]

I'm gonna dedicate one of the Atlas tree to Bestiary, take Mighty Hunter node and go for Einhar business from time to time 🙂

[ornate harness]

how does lightning strike look for league starting? i hear it's decent

[dusk sky]

hey Vijay, what do you typically do for league starts?

[scenic linden]

head to maxroll

XD

anything that makes me use less brains cells and their guides seems to do the trick

[dusk sky]

I assume I'll have to wait when the league comes out

[scenic linden]

yeah

why not hop into the game

the trade is dead but it's a good anxiety killer

[dusk sky]

I have a couple many other games to do that for but I could hop in if only to test out mine stuff with shadow

iirc I don't think ranger can do trap stuff unfortunately, just bows, the potion skills, projectiles and the odd dex melee build

emphasis on trap and no mines because mine's a more int thing

[rancid gate]

Bows and unfortunately dont go together

[scenic linden]

with all this talk about mines, I might end up using hexblast myself

[dusk sky]

I'm personally hoping I can try one of the initial three over hexblast.

Those being stormblast, pyroclast, or icicle

[scenic linden]

ahh those

didn't stormblast got a nerf though?

I might be completely wrong

[dusk sky]

I wouldn't know, but seeing as those are the only gems that are mines by nature

[barren crescent]

smoke mine

[dusk sky]

<~< that isn't real, no damage I'd still use it if only because it seems cool and synergetic with certain mine/trap builds.

[pseudo snow]

Do we know if any of the affliction spectres/corpses are going to be in necropolis?

[wanton surge]

Maybe as allflame embers

Although most of the best affliction corpses were boss corpses so

unlikely

[pseudo snow]

dark marionette was great for guardian's blessing

[ashen storm]

Do valdo maps get the league mechanic?

[lethal robin]

I think it was fair tbh

[snow marten]

Why?

[scenic linden]

is the new ice shot any good as a league starter

[dreamy raven]

based on what other person here told me. its worse then the base gem. I havent checked myself

[thorny pond]

Whos hyped for new tornado gem?

[scenic linden]

that sucks

was looking forward to trying those new gems

[dreamy raven]

I'm probably gonna try the new tornado trans gem or gonna go ice trap sab

[scenic linden]

well I'm, a multi element skill definitely sounds hella fun

[tough zealot]

will this league be juicy as previous or noone knows really ?

[wanton surge]

Depends on how powerful scarabs are

I'd say pretty juicy though

The league mechanic is literally just free juice at your demand

[stuck ore]

can someone suggest me a bosser starter

[unkempt lodge]

what do u think about trap/mine starter?

[stuck ore]

I haven't played either of them

[midnight crest]

its more about how calculation will go and that's hard to say just from view..

But i bet they are ways to make it interesting build, though probably it will have weaker output at start..

[faint ravine]

Basically guaranteed less juicy

Affliction was easily the most juiced league in the games history

[peak hill]

Hi. Could someone share a toxic rain leaguestart pob?

[stable yoke]

Ooh new tornado gem?

[lyric flare]

Is PCoc no main hand and no shield for the transfigured gem? Does that mean another 3 sockets less?

[neat bluff]

My guess is Zizaran will put one out before league start.

[lyric flare]

Ziz will prob do a vid for one, if not, copy his 3.23

[neat bluff]

That's my plan too, waiting for his to drop. Idk if a 1:1 copy of his 3.23 build will work tho

[lyric flare]

I haven’t played his toxic rain, but can’t you check the patch notes to see what way they affect it? Tattoos / transfigured gems that maybe buff it?

[wary smelt]

What do ppl go from TR PF?

PF having access to flask duration tattoo is nice

But I think that's it

Like a lot of builds PF TR was nerfed by flask mana cost craft being removed

[neat bluff]

Yeah Ziz said it probably got dethroned but should still be extremely strong

[barren crescent]

CA ballistas

[lyric flare]

People saying melee got nerf, but with the call to arms gem, could that not make war cries OP?

[sonic stirrup]

in general, call to arms is big qol for melee

I wouldn't call it a nerf at all

especially since you can automate multiple cries, and they all go off at once

[violet nymph]

Any minion league starts

Or totem

[light adder]

ghazzytv on yt for minions

[shy steppe]

I feel like this is a bug that will be fixed lol. It has the exact wording as the keystone had of warcries sharing cooldown. I'm guessing that since it can logically cast them all at the exact same time it's able to bypass the main issue of a shared cooldown.

[sonic stirrup]

It's not the same wording, because the support has more text, one of which is "warcries trigger automatically", with the key point being warcries in plural

And it was also specifically showcased

When I read it, I did assume it was just one, and that it would cycle or so with several

[shy steppe]

The wording that matters is "warcries share cooldown". Which means when 1 is used, all others go on cooldown. The only way to bypass that is if you can cast them all at the exact same time.

Maybe it is intended and the wording just happens to explain the functionality even though it is a different functionality than other cooldown sharing because it is able to utilize the quirk of automation to cast at the same.

[sonic stirrup]

it is a bit odd

[tame current]

+1 proj tattoo cannot be found in the info, RIP

[normal gorge]

Okay so, can someone help me out here? The timers say that the league will start at 3pm EST/12pm PST, but the megathread says something different, I am very confused, (and other articles say 1pm EST/10am PST)

[bronze cave]

I guess trusting the countdown on their website makes the most sense

[normal gorge]

👍

[neat bluff]

How's Heist and Expedition looking

[sonic stirrup]

heist looks largely unchanged

expedition has new fun scarabs to try

that we have yet to see the effects of

[hearty pendant]

Is this build bait for league start? it looks nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_oul4yrcmw

[crisp rock]

to my heist friends what league starter would you play that isnt a bow build?

[keen merlin]

Could probably do just about anything. Frostblink ignite? Don't you basically just run to the exit most of the time anyway?

[hazy bough]

is it confirmed that sacred wisps are not minions? I notice they don't have the minion tag but the description is very miniony since you're summoning something

[waxen kindle]

unlikely minions as they scale off of the player's stats

[hasty perch]

Probably like mirage archer

[hazy bough]

im hoping so because I want to try it with corrupting ever

[hasty perch]

They're you except they skip ancestral bond

The damage doesnt look that good tho

Even vs uniques or rares thats like 50% more damage multi isnt it

Thats not fixing wand single target

Maybe with the unique wand they added but idk how rare it is

[patent heron]

so, looking at the sacred wisps thing, "in your presence" how much room do you think thatll be? similar to "nearby" or the screen?

[wary smelt]

its bad with CF

can only have 10 stacks it doesnt do much

[short blade]

so we get the Journey tattoos at least, even if we don't get the other strong ones

[sonic glen]

so wisps are not minions, yes?

[sonic stirrup]

Correct

[woven steppe]

best flavour for DD for leaguestart?

ele or inq?

[safe bobcat]

necro

[violet nymph]

I have a weird feeling hexblast miner isn't the play for league mechanic

[scenic linden]

Ele easy

[woven steppe]

thought so

ill try ImExiles dd ele

[fluid warren]

2 things: 1 does this league kill most ranged builds? (I know snipers mark was the golden standard for marks, but im looking at the time before it existed and was just assassins mark or other curses) and 2: seems like GGG hates wanders... pS got nerfed, then KB-F got nerfed, along with snipers mark

[sonic stirrup]

Wdym this league

Oh the Nerfs

Was ps nerfed

[tawdry plover]

They just added a new wander support gem

[sonic stirrup]

No, ps wasn't nerfed

[tawdry plover]

I'd say it's a nerf but more it's just a completely different skill to how it was used before

[sonic stirrup]

PSotA was even buffed

[sonic stirrup]

That wasn't this league

Which was what got me confused on what he meant

Well

He's both talking about affliction and Necropolis and saying "this" league

[tawdry plover]

I assume he meant PS got changed...then KB of frag nerf now... etc but eh

[sonic stirrup]

But anyways

New support is op for wanders

49% more dps in presence of rare or unique

[tawdry plover]

Just need to see if new ele hit is going to be great as well

[sonic stirrup]

Or almost 100% if you're using barrage or barrage support

And also two new yet to be seen trans wand gems

And frag kibo absolutely deserved a nerf

[fluid warren]

i meant with the PS nerf from last league and now the KBofFrag + snipers mark this league

sorry

it just seems like they really nuked all ranged attack builds, hell even TS got it (and I dont play TS)

[tawdry plover]

I think nuke is overstatement although the TS nerf sounds pretty painful

Late game won't be that terrible but if u swapped early ur going to LA longer now

[fluid warren]

I was thkining of spectral throw this league, gonna have to test some guess

[mortal crane]

LA still strong

[sonic stirrup]

TS Absolutely deserved a nerf, and has been for quite some time. It has been the meta endgame skill for quite some time

[sonic stirrup]

And again, they buffed some skills like for example power siphon of the archmage

[dreamy apex]

Anyone here league start non-doryani absolution necro? how was it into red maps/yellow. needed a lot of gear?

[lusty burrow]

will be quite interesting to see what the most popular skills end up being when the top two are now significantly weaker

[scenic linden]

rf was still popular even with the nerfs?

[native cedar]

When will we know if there will be any good minion league starters?

[scenic linden]

ghazzy was trying bama league starter build

[native cedar]

bama?

[scenic linden]

blink arrow mirror arrow

[native cedar]

thats not a minion build though?

[scenic linden]

basically you have multiple clones of yourself using the same skill

[scenic linden]

yeah in general sense its not your zombie/specter/skeleton build

it does however benefit from all the minion stuff

[sonic stirrup]

Because it wasn't a nerf per se, it was a rework. It had ups and downs.

Generally better high end

Can invest like crazy in life

Don't need to invest in levels

[scenic linden]

ahh yes phox did mention it would be harder league starter

[limber mountain]

will srs be a good league starter in 2.24?

[honest egret]

popcorn srs will likely be pretty good

hit srs not so much

i think zizaran said he might be leaguestarting popcorn srs, so that means its probably fairly good if he is considering it

[limber mountain]

only my 2nd league and never played any summon builds.. was considering following this build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hff-cb8alUo

but i started lving 1 on 3.23 act 1 is a bitch haha

but tbf i didnt get very far

[honest egret]

yeah thats popcorn srs

not sure about the guide quality, never heard of that creator

[limber mountain]

i just like it because he goes way into the details, which i need lol

[honest egret]

the melee dmg on srs got nerfed, so it will likely be shit to level with before you get infernal legion and minion instability

so i would suggest to grab the srs to level it asap, but use some spell like rolling magma or somethign before you can switch to that combo

[limber mountain]

gotcha, i appreciate the response 🙂 is enough to make me feel like it wont be a waste of time lol

[scenic linden]

I don't think srs got nerfed for the acts

[honest egret]

the more melee dmg mod got removed, i agree its worse in endgame than early

but its still a nerf

[scenic linden]

Yeah true

[limber mountain]

rip

[honest egret]

but popcorn srs doesnt care about the melee dmg mod ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic linden]

Yeah it's just hp

The best minion build for someone who doesn't like minions

[limber mountain]

im just trying to make sure i play a build that i can actually use once i get to end game xD

not too picky about wat i play, i just like to farm mobs :p

[scenic linden]

You might want to look at ignite dd then, not saying it's the best map farmer but it scales really well into t16 maps

[limber mountain]

hmm, i use cast on stun DD for MF right now it is pretty good

[scenic linden]

[barren crescent]

For campaign srs was barely touched

Its noticeable in end game tho

No changes to popcorn srs

[snow marten]

There are a few other skills like that.. where its mostly effected in the endgame

[crisp rock]

Is it League Startable?

[keen merlin]

Yes. Subtractem will be posting a maxroll guide for it and an updated youtube video for it over the next couple of days.

[crisp rock]

awesome :D thank you c:

[keen merlin]

and he already has youtube videos on it from a couple leagues ago if you want to check that out first. he just might have some updates to it with the new version.

[wet escarp]

Hello, about what hour starts new league?

[tawdry plover]

Check the timer on website

[mellow rune]

I remember ziz saying sth along the lines of since last league was a very wealthy one, this one will probably be quite a poor league

is that accurate?

i havent really been following the news for this league

[green remnant]

It was THE wealthiest league in Poe history afaik. So likely there won't be any leagues that comes anywhere close

[austere whale]

Yeah this will be the biggest poe hangover evet

Going from affliction to a crafting league with seemingly no currency drops

[keen merlin]

Sounds good to me. The meta of last league made me completely dissinterested in continuing after I got my challenges done.

[quaint saddle]

Not happy about all the nerfs, i will wait see what the damage is but Affliction may be my last league for a while

[keen merlin]

Okay

[stable yoke]

I am stoked to the bone for necropolis

[quaint saddle]

all i can say is due to last league i don't think necropolis will have a good player retention

[keen merlin]

I mean, you're stressing about nerfs so that's not surprising.

[mellow rune]

tbh same, it was my first league in poe but i got quite bored after i completed the atlas (or most of it)

[hushed dock]

Hey, so what we will get for this? Or red altars are kinda ded?

[dreamy raven]

Since most of the content is being known now. What build you guys thinking which can kill and survive pinnacle bosses.
Anything equivalent to Penance brand in terms of damage?

Build I'm thinking of are

1. Ice Trap Sab
2. DD Elemen
3. Archmage of indigon

not sure how they gonne be

[austere whale]

Explosive trap is still the best bosser leaguestart sans any new broken shit

BAMA is also looking to be insane

But harder to start

[dreamy raven]

I'm mainly looking into endgame build. Dont care about league start since I will be playing in party

[dreamy raven]

I thought of Explosive trap but you thinl the node change which gave AoE gonna be a nerf to it?

[austere whale]

Which node

[dreamy raven]

something 5% more aoe dmg with each mine. Saw it on reddit that its changed

[austere whale]

Traps are not mines

[dreamy raven]

ohh

well lets see then Ice trap Sab it is then ig. Will see if I need to switch to Explosive trap later

[ashen storm]

Indigon archmage can eat a lot of shit at endgame

[woeful walrus]

So I think I'm gonna leaguestart BAMA necro, should I look into ele or poison?

[signal frigate]

how likely is it that i get a mageblood from necropolis?

[neat ice]

Unlikely

[tawdry plover]

2.5× more likely than other leagues u played

[snow marten]

But 2.5x0 = 0 soo lets hope ur above that 0%

[twin token]

BAMA DN

[twin token]

How does indigon vs no indigon compare

[ashen storm]

Idk I can't see myself playing without indigon

but I'm going for mjolner so

[tender ibex]

did we get +1 skill tattoos back?

[ashen storm]

think only mostly nerfed small attribute tattoos

[tender ibex]

I know we got the journey ones (30 atts) (mana, life, energy shield) at least

[ashen storm]

ooo I didn't know that

[ashen storm]

https://i.redd.it/mav41vqhclqc1.png

just saw this on reddit

[royal crag]

Lack of Skill player here lol I played LA Deadeye in my first proper league in 3.23. Good fun but tried to move to Tornado Shot way too early and bricked myself after hitting a wall on LA. Also didn't like the squishiness as a new player and also trying to learn things like voidstone bosses and getting clapped. With T17s coming in, which do you think will be the better option for a League Start in 3.24 - EA Elementalist (Not sure on an exact build creator yet - maybe Palsteron's if its updated for 3.24?), or TR Pathfinder (Liking Peuget2's POB at the moment and going to do a levelling run in SSF tomorrow). Any other options?

[tender ibex]

@ashen storm thank you

[honest egret]

not sure if either of them is updated yet, but also i dont think either had significant changes? were there pathfinder nerfs ?

i think on paper(pob) the ea elementalist is tankier

[quiet sail]

Pathfinder is infinitely tankier than Elementalist late game

Even after the nerfs it should be notably more durable

EA Elementalist has a mediocre level of survivability but does a lot of damage fairly cheap. TR PF has okay to great damage and insane survivability—with some investment.

That being said, losing sources of mana cost reduction makes solving mana for TR PF incredibly difficult, I think in 3.24 you’ll have to do EB or something.

[tawdry plover]

Lifetap is an OK link really

[quiet sail]

I think EA Ele is probably the more solid league starter, but late game in 3.23 I did Ubers with ease on a TR PF and EA Ele still got 1-2 shot often. With the changes I imagine TR PF is still much tankier but does do less damage and clear is just okay.

[royal crag]

Yeah either Eldritch Battery or I think I’ve seen Palsteron mention Lifetap somewhere (reddit or maybe a stream..)

[quiet sail]

You can Lifetap TR for sure. Late game you normally run Empower but while leveling you could do Lifetap and it’s probably fine.

[tawdry plover]

Usually get EB from the Catarina helm

[quiet sail]

Also an option. But that’s kind of a late(r) game solution.

[tawdry plover]

Yea until then lifetap or mana flask really

[quiet sail]

I’m also not sure how viable Divine Blessing setups are now…

[tawdry plover]

Lifetap isn't so bad, ur 4th ascendancy option may as well be the life flask

[quiet sail]

The downside to Catarina helm is that means you need to get a good source of increased AoE elsewhere.

Normally you can finish it off with Eldritch helm implicit.

I think all the nerfs are manageable for TR PF, and it should still be a very solid build. I’d recommend it over EA Ele—which suffers from similar resource issues but doesn’t have the tankiness.

[royal crag]

Maybe I’m gravitating towards TR since it’s similar starting tree to LA and in my head I’m equating that to a comfy place lol I’ve kinda levelled EA Elementalist before but I think I may have been turned off by Ancestral Bond and not doing anything with my bow except applying frenzy charges (especially after zooming around with LA / TS)

[quiet sail]

There’s also like 3 variations of TR so you can kind of fit your playstyle to it.

There’s no totems, some totems, and lots of totems variants.

[honest egret]

i had the suspicion thats the case in practice, just the default pobs for those builds show more ehp on the ea build

[trail brook]

what class should i go with the new tornado transfigured gem

[sick glacier]

i've seen people post PoBs of inquisitor and assassin that looked reasonable. seen mentions of cold occultist, and im personally planning on pathfinder

[neat bluff]

The nice thing about TR vs LA is the damage scales off level not your weapon, so all you really need is a fast bow to pump

[trail brook]

i was just thinking of jugger to be incredibly tanky

but i am not sure yet lol

[sick glacier]

probably valid. seems like there are a lot of ways to build it

[pseudo snow]

I may just be imagining things but was there a vaal side area scarab previewed at some point?

[quiet sail]

I think it depends on how they’re setup to some extent. But I played both builds last season and TR PF was so tanky I barely died to Ubers and I just accidentally hit 100 without trying because I never died. My EA Ele character with some hefty investment was still pretty flimsy. The PF felt like the tankiest character I’ve ever played and the EA Ele felt less durable than EA Champs I’ve played. I’m sure I could have tanked it up somehow, but I think part of EA Eles defense is kill it before it touches you.

[honest egret]

yep, thats a good testament to its tankiness

sounds much better than my planned 15k ehp starter :D

[royal crag]

Thanks all, yeah I’ll give TR a run through soon and see how it feels 🙂

[neat bluff]

I started LA last league and switched to TR because it was so much tankier, put out just as much damage, and was cheaper to gear. GL

[royal crag]

Yeah probably do the LA Deadeye Magic Find as a second league toon to see what all the fuss is about (and try not to brick myself like this season when I do the crit swap)

[hazy girder]

Hell all ! is there any Guild Recruting where a 40 old GErman guy can Join for some fun together ? I dont wana play solo anymore and wana have some Friends 🙂

[primal halo]

how does inquis CoC dd sound? turn a 2 button build into a 1 button build

[fervent haven]

So does 3.24 start at 11 AM PDT or 12 PM PDT? Reddit says 11 AM, but the countdown timer indicates 12 PM. Did they move it an hour later?

Or is it a daylight savings thing?

[honest egret]

there is a countdown on the website

you can just do the math

oh wait there isnt cos its down for maintanence, sorry

it will be there

:)

[fervent haven]

Alright I'll trust the countdown, I guess the reddit time is wrong

[honest egret]

usa had DST shift like 3 weeks ago and EU is getting DST this weekend, so time zones are always extra confusing around this time of the year

if it starts at the sime time the reveal stream started, it should be 12pm pdt

and thats been a decent indicator so far

[frank smelt]

whats a really good league starter for minion builds or for mass aoe map clearing

[scenic linden]

Zoomancer necro by ghazzy

[frank smelt]

i just did that one but i couldnt get the damage to get picked up

[scenic linden]

if you are ok with waiting there might be some good popcorn srs too this league

[scenic linden]

well other than that there was srs guardian but yk what happened with that

[honest egret]

but popcorn srs isnt really exceptional aoe clear

its not bad, but also nothing special for aoe

[scenic linden]

yeah I meant it as a backup

I'm not even sure if its gonna be any good

[honest egret]

okay website is up, 3h and 42 mins from now but on friday, what does that work ou tot be?

[peak hemlock]

does that mean the merge will happen sooner?

[fervent haven]

By my math that's 3 PM EST/12 PM PST. Dang, was hoping it'd be 2 PM EST... one less hour to play before I have to go dinner with MIL... pretty sure she's got that old-person "goddam youngins and their vidya games" opinion, so no getting out of it...

[peak hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[honest egret]

I'm in EU and it's 8pm start for me, and that's extra early, the normal time is 10pm...

[tender ibex]

Is Sacred Wisp a gem that needs to be in your 6L? Or can it be a separate Socket Group?

[violet nymph]

Should I league start BAMA, explosive arrow or some other totem/minion build

[tender ibex]

Depends on your expectations/progression speed goals. From experience standard minion builds progress effortlessly, but possibly slower than other options @violet nymph

[violet nymph]

Slower but it seems weird to play anything else

I wouldn’t know where to begin

It’s like my friend has only ever played lightning builds while I’ve done minion builds

[tender ibex]

I think the answer is clear

[violet nymph]

To play another minion build?

[tender ibex]

yeah - if you got that much experience with it, simply cuz of the fact you dont need a guide will make you progress fast

[stuck basalt]

Is there any borrowed power in necropolis or is it just juicing and crafting?

[tender ibex]

Well we arent getting another ascendancy like last time

[scenic linden]

anything but bama, don't make diadem expensive for me lol

[polar raft]

Anyone who played pbod? Can it be made to feel reasonable for map clear?

I was thinking about doing arma brand redcaller league start and swap to pbod asap, im just worried the clear will feel garbo 🙂

I didnt get to play with these skills atall before nerf so idk how they "feel"

[thorny fiber]

I guess my League Starter is a simple LA Deadeye
was thinking about DD, never played it, but I dont find any specific DD League Starter and everyone seems to play a different Version lul

[slim scarab]

No news on new transfigured gems? Saw the poison conc of chain and so on, but they mentioned Ele hit?

[abstract flume]

ele hit, tornado, poison conc, incinerate, and i think ice shot @slim scarab

the tornado one looks so cool

elemental tornados

might test it