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[violet nymph]

basically annihilating staff + heatshiver

actually maybe reap mines

[vague venture]

Think I’ll be able to get comfy pinnacle/Maven DPS on Boneshatter or Shield Crush without breaking the bank?

[karmic maple]

rf letsgooooo

[neat summit]

imagine they replace it before league start they better not just remove it without compensation

whats something intresting that could take its place owo

[obtuse zodiac]

will energy blade work with crucible passives on the weapon? did they specify?

[torn isle]

even without reliable onslaught?

[brave marsh]

it probably doesn't

it kinda replaces the weapon

and the passives are just stats belonging to the weapon

poor energy blade

[barren crescent]

Eh, I dont see crucible going core, so it will come back

[queen oyster]

Surely the More Skill Trees mechanic will go core

Next league: maps with skill trees

[lilac saffron]

Attack speed gem being obtainable earlier makes up for it for attack builds

Onslaught support was whatever imo

Unless you were already fast

[pure sail]

Why there is no Extra speed in momentum showcase video?

[floral mirage]

isnt this pretty much the atlas tree

[balmy moss]

Listen guys, i don't really have anything concrete in mind, but I'm brainstorming, it's like a vision, a daydream... I see Tainted Pact... Golden Rule... Petrified blood... Or is it chaos inoculation... Pathfinder??? Herald of agony??? Cold points???? What was that geisha chest?????

Could Pathfinder enduring life flask offset the dot when it stops leeching?

Hmm another cool thing is 10% instaleech from tree and 2x10 more from those claws, totalling 30

But I'd love to leaguestart bow or wand. Bow is something I know I love, wand is something I've always wanted to try. Gonna be looking for some kb/ps ideas

[copper vine]

Guys, aint concotion player and barehand player being left out of next league?

[grizzled moon]

sure, kinda

you can have stuff in your weapon swap, there were nodes like weapon sell for a divine

[copper vine]

Well, i could just put unusable weapon that way as well, but some bottle for main hand would be nice, or the unarmed to have gloves to be in weapon slot XD

[pastel mauve]

I mean, concoction players are being screwed over anyway if i recall

[torn isle]

I honestly do see crucible going core, but with caveats.

[neat rover]

you know what is bothering me? I dont like how league mechanic works..to get even started i need to get good base, after that insane amount of rng layers for good nodes... if lucky i get something good then i have to craft weapon itself

i wish it wasnt that way...

and what if i want to upgrade my existing weapon? can i use it while its in the forge???

think about it...

its more lame than i though....

[tawny pasture]

The weapon have the tree on it

So yeah you can use it

[neat rover]

i hope that default items that game provides for upgrading are somehow usable

i am very skeptical about this league

it feels like kalandra v2

not rewarding at all

[rocky nebula]

I wonder how passives like the "vendors for a currency orb" work. Based on the past experiences, they only show the rarest and best things in a reveal livestream and when playing, you barely ever see those things they showed off.

Is it gonna be completely random or based on item types/levels?

[neat rover]

most likely

currency is attached to the mod

not item

[rocky nebula]

yeah so how does the game decide to roll those mods?

[neat rover]

we all know

its rng

i wonder if there is mod for mirror

[rocky nebula]

probably is

but will never be seen or only once or twice on reddit

[neat rover]

true

[pearl geyser]

staffs will be interesting to see what mods they get, being as they have melee and caster mods

[barren crescent]

staves*

[sick mica]

will storm call be meta

[pale hemlock]

Onslaught is not that hard to get

[warped trellis]

Can you scour a weapon that has a tree to be normal rarity without losing the tree?

[bronze cave]

yes

scouring tree and scouring weapon mods are different

[sonic stirrup]

Trees aren't affixes, so. Probably yeah. Can't really know for sure though.

[warped trellis]

Hum, if you're trading for the good trees on weapons, and you can't really see the details of the tree in a trade window, I see a lot of scamming potentially no? Since you can't check affixes values on a normal item to ensure its the correct one from the trade website.

[bronze cave]

Depends on if you can see them or not i guess

[warped trellis]

Yes I guess so. From what I saw in the reveal, I though holding alt just showed what the tree looked like below affixes but not what the nodes actually do. Hope there's something in the trade window for this.

[bronze cave]

pressing ctrl+c on an item shows you the allocated nodes on the tree

But not the unallocated ones sadly

[azure oriole]

Is it possible to respec out of crucible node stuff? Like, let's say I get a bow node that converts phys to chaos, and I don't want that, since it bricks my build, is it possible to just opt out of the node and not use it?

[torn isle]

you have to specifically opt to take nodes?

[bronze cave]

You can respec the tree, but you cannot "jump over" nodes

So if there's A->B->C in your tree, and B is bad for you, you can stay at just A

But you cant take A and C but not B

[torn isle]

is it possible to not take A? (can't remember if that was auto-allocated)

[winged hatch]

Ive sen people talking about the new vaal skills but I can't find any info on them except that they will exist

where to look if not in the patch notes

[sterile brook]

4 of the 9 new vaal gems are visible on the crucible page: https://www.pathofexile.com/crucible near the middle

[winged hatch]

thank you

[sterile brook]

I assume we'll get the rest mid next week (Wednesday?) with the rest of the 20/20 gems

[oblique hare]

Stupid question, are Weapon passives skills only limited to non-unique items or unique items will be able to have one as well ?

[rotund pine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW4g0UBw5go u guys think they gonna change it?

[dusty cove]

uniques can have too, just requires end game geode or whatever they called it on stream

[carmine flare]

can u begin on the new league?

[glad bloom]

No. It will start 7th april

[wild arch]

Heavy strike

[rotund pine]

i think cold dot still pretty strong

[unreal beacon]

Rolling Magma + Holy Flame Totem + Flame Wall, then transition into something

And I think Splitting Steel still should be fine for act 1

[tired wasp]

Ice Shot on Deadeye or Scion?

[thorny pond]

PoB updated?

[rigid tartan]

https://poe-beginner-guide.com/toxic-rain-champion/overview/

Will this work in crucible

[devout osprey]

Changelog: 17.08.22, 10AM

[tribal bridge]

Would anyone be kind enough to help a poor console peasant?
I can't use pob and would like to make sure the build I have mocked up in poe planner isn't going to suck kitava nuts. 🥲
It's a dex stacking ice shot deadeye.
I never made a bow build before so I'm sure it's terrible

[rotund pine]

some saying new pathfinder is good for toxic rain....

[rapid harbor]

How long can we expect crucible league to last?

Haven't played in awhile, not sur ehow long leagues last now

[dusk gazelle]

3-4 months, somewhere in there?

this one lasted 5 months because it was special

[rapid harbor]

ahhh darn I missed it

I want to play a league that will last a bit longer

[silk palm]

It lasted 5 months because it was last league of last year

Which means challenge leagues come between it and the next league

Which last an extra 2 months

[rapid harbor]

Can you therefore predict when the next league that lasts longer be?

[silk palm]

Probably last league of 2023

[rapid harbor]

around what month would that league start? October?

[silk palm]

So, 3.24, probably, which last year, started in October, yes.

But, GGG has expressed interest in making 3.25 the "poe 2" update.

[rapid harbor]

ok thanks very much

[rustic mountain]

dumb question, is the max hits for impale 8 as Champion?

Or is there a way to get more

[quartz basin]

So question that will be VERY specific in terms of what it effects. Anyone know how crucible will affect Dancing Dervish? Like, is my minion gonna have a skill tree XD

And can it be leveled up when it’s active? Like where would be a good place to go in search of answers for this?

[fast coyote]

League starter iceshot will be rough
Most damage comes from items

[tribal bridge]

True but if the tree and stuff isn't good then items won't help either

I just don't know if the build will be any good in general

[fast coyote]

Iceshot I hope they buffed, we have no info yet but still
You need a bow with high physical
Cold pen if not omniscience
And you saying dex stack (another late game affixes) And Hyrri ire most likely
Campaign should be fine but you might get stuck high yellow maps

[tribal bridge]

The only unique I was planning was starkojas.

Although that chest would be better

[fast coyote]

Hyrri’s ire kinda BiS until you have 50 divine armour

[tribal bridge]

So 2 uniques 😂

See I already needed to change something.

[torn isle]

Just thinking, they might have to do a one-time pass on all current unique triggered abilities to remove spell tags on unnecessary triggered skills to prevent wonkiness with triggerbots.

[edgy pond]

Curious what are the challenge reward for this league. It has been a treat last few leagues except AN cough

[balmy moss]

With chaos DMG map mod introduced and armor+es masteries, does it make sense to try building hybrid life+armor+es? Never tried that and not sure if that would be worse than just life with extra chaos DMG we'll be getting now

[next stag]

armor and es worked before because of divine shield

[torn isle]

Honest question: considering crucible is designed to be extremely difficult at max difficulty, is it adviseable to go more offensive or defensive?

[grizzled moon]

you can choose your difficulty, think it'd be fine for most builds

[austere whale]

just play a freeze build 4head

[vestal shore]

defensive

[midnight phoenix]

its impossible to tell right now

the last time we had a mechanic that was remotely similar to this was probably expedition and that was really best handled with a bunch of dps to blow up all the mobs before they could do anything

but before that was ultimatum which u could trivialize with recovery on block

so

its hard to say

[tall sorrel]

is there any obvious really strong league starters these league? im having a hard time picking one

[torn isle]

RF is always an option, but honestly, best to wait for more details on changes and stuff first.

[tall sorrel]

yeah i was thinking about RF but im worried about the damage

[bronze cave]

3.21 will last 4 months instead of 3.

[grizzled moon]

probably gonna have to wait for starters

[tall sorrel]

theres already plenty of videos

[barren crescent]

I'd be surprised if RF doesn't do enough dmg to clear with eventually

[merry grove]

haven'et played in a while, crucible looks like some good fun though, plus plenty of other changes since i last played (i think garden? lol, i may have logged in since but not seriously)

i should probably look up new skills and stuff and start thinking about what sort of build I want to main

[tall sorrel]

i think id love EK ignite but im sure it'll be expensive even though it got "cheaper"

[merry grove]

i saw the ruthless mode they added a bit ago when looking at crucible stuff, read about it. i'm not sure if i want to only play there cause i love having pantheon and other stuff they remove... but the feeling of finding something great in ruthless is probably pretty ncie

[wild arch]

You won't find anything great

[merry grove]

Don't do that to me, don't take away my hope

[wild arch]

Abandon all hope if you're thinking of playing ruthless

[merry grove]

hope is the only thing that keeps you going in the dreary lands of wraeclast

even if it is but false hope

[wild arch]

There is no god

There are no items

[merry grove]

who said anything about god

have you ever seen the true face of god, exile?

[signal frigate]

items are a myth in ruthless

[tranquil jasper]

any idea how crucible works with party play?

[sonic stirrup]

Well, they explained it.
All party members together channel up the thing.
It starts when someone leaves the circle, or if it's fully charged.
All members who charged it at least anything, will get Crucible xp from it.

Special crafting benches from the special encounters that require the special items to enter will not be shared.

[tranquil jasper]

thank you

was it shown in the ziggy interview?

[sonic stirrup]

Uh, somewhere in the livestream they explained it

Dunno which part

[tranquil jasper]

ty

[sonic stirrup]

Probably the q and a

You're welcome

[signal frigate]

i like crucible damage on the weapon for free

[prime tree]

I'm not sure I understand the crucible loop just yet.
Say I'm at early to mid maps using a bow and my weapon swap are two one-handers in which i level 6 of my main skill gems to flip and get 21/20. I want to cook bases that I could then craft into a weapon i'd actually use.
I have to take a base out of my stash tab in which i keep a bunch of those bases, stick it into my inventory, run the map. At the crucible thing, i open my inventory, swap to my weaponswap, take out the two one-handers, put in the bow base, swap back, pick the base from my weaponswap to cook, channel for x seconds, complete the encounter, open my inventory, go to my weaponswap, most likely just drop the bad result onto the ground, put the two one-handers back in, weaponswap back and continue.
And I do this every map? Or am I misunderstanding how the mechanic works?

[verbal birch]

thats exactly how you have to do it, unless you 6S the 2h weapon and use it instead of the 2 1h weapons

What im concerned about is Soulwrest... its a unique minion warstaff, and by default warstaves cant roll caster modifier, so im scared that in crucible i cant get any minion passives on the tree 😦

[sonic stirrup]

Would it get minion stats even if it was a staff

[verbal birch]

good question

[sonic stirrup]

lol

[verbal birch]

staff is supposed to roll everything

oh nevermind

"all kind of staff affixes"

and warstaves can only call "non-caster staff affixes"

[sonic stirrup]

Staves don't roll any minion mods

At all

Only minion wands and Shields get minion mods

Well, I say mods, but more specifically I mean explicit modifiers

[verbal birch]

damn... this will suck

[sonic stirrup]

Well

You can hope for defensive stats

[verbal birch]

well, we dont even know what broken minion passives there are

[sonic stirrup]

Probably not too unrealistic

[verbal birch]

but if there are any, it would be a real shame to not be able to use them

[sonic stirrup]

Well, I'm pretty sure they said there would be

For minion wands, at least

Not 100% sure

It's been a couple days since I watched the livestream

[verbal birch]

i kinda like the idea of poison orb of winter, cant wait to see what passives there are for other build types

sadly ggg completely broke the build i wanted to do 😦

it only works with the old flask mastery "1 charge/3s for utility"

[prime tree]

Welp, I guess I'll have to wait and see which QoL hostage(s) they'll decide to release with the 3.21.1 patch, because this sounds tedious (as the kids say:) af

[sonic stirrup]

Really?

[verbal birch]

well, it could also work with the time jewel, but its expensive as fuck in hardcore

its basically reserving full life and mana, and only surviving because of the utility unique flask that lets chaos dmg not go through energy shield

[sonic stirrup]

Ah that one

Was that your only source of over time charges?

[verbal birch]

yep

[sonic stirrup]

Ah yeah that idea is dead then lol

[verbal birch]

and it works fine if you have a belt with "reduced charges used"

it was a crazy build, but so tanky

[sonic stirrup]

Now the only sources left are what, pathfinder and pathfinder (ascendancy notable)

[verbal birch]

time jewel

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Traitor_(keystone_passive)

[sonic stirrup]

Oh yeah and the traitor yes

[verbal birch]

in sanctum this jewel was 1div in hardcore

but maybe in curcible i can manage to get it? 🤔

[sonic stirrup]

I wonder if the flask charge changes will make it more or less desirable

Mastery changes

[verbal birch]

well, also remembered that they even showed a crucible map mod that would totally break the build anyway

[sonic stirrup]

Which one?

[verbal birch]

iirc i saw "Cant gain flask charges"

dont ask me where i found that, i copied that from chat with friend 😂

[sonic stirrup]

Are you sure that wasn't a special Crucible encounter mod?

They don't roll map modifiers

[verbal birch]

well, i called it "crucible map" 😄

[sonic stirrup]

And I only remember them adding chaos related map mods

I thought you meant as in: Crucible league map mod

No build will be able to deal with all Crucible thing area modifiers

At least that's the impression I got

[verbal birch]

well, we didnt even see all of them yet

but yeah, its like with maps currently, some build just cant deal with reflection for example

[sonic stirrup]

Yeah, but probably worse

[torn isle]

In Q&A they mentioned that uniques would roll mods appropiate for their attributes.

[sonic stirrup]

For reflection you can always like, swap in an item, if you can't grab the mastery + pantheon or so

[sonic stirrup]

They did?
Neat, if they said that

[verbal birch]

that would be awesome

and it would also make sense

so many minion weapons would be useless

there are swords, sceptres, maces, daggers, claw, bow.... 😄

[sonic stirrup]

Not to mention the odd regular caster sword or so

I think there's some

A rare bow for spells is definitely not gonna fly though lol, probably

For those crazy enough to still do that

If there's anyone

[verbal birch]

Imagine Mjölner not rolling caster things 😄

[torn isle]

rolling for more atkspd is still useful. 😛

[verbal birch]

sure, but thats just 1 passive

[sonic stirrup]

Mjölner wouldn't be that bad off

Like, you can roll socketed gems are supported by

[verbal birch]

have to say, the dual wielding claw mastery sounds interesting as well 🤔

[verbal birch]

Yeah, but wouldnt it be attack support gems then?

[sonic stirrup]

It might be

There's probably some generic ones

I don't remember what ones specifically were showcased

[verbal birch]

reddit megathread is awesome

[sonic stirrup]

lol

And yeah, as expected, fairly generic

[verbal birch]

im sure there will be lots more

[sonic stirrup]

Yeah

[verbal birch]

I wonder if someone will manage to get a 13 link whispering ice or something 😄

[sonic stirrup]

lol

[verbal birch]

i just noticed, whispering ice wont work with these passives, since it doesnt have a socketed active skill gem 🤔

[sonic stirrup]

True lol

Better to run a rare weapon probably

Well, I mean

For maximum gem links

A rare staff would do better

[young eagle]

when can i create the char for the league?

[tiny sandal]

when it starts

[verbal birch]

Or just buy the early access for 999,99$ 😛

[young eagle]

is there an early access?

[verbal birch]

then you can create it 1 min earlier

ofc not 😄

[young eagle]

[devout osprey]

kind of is

you can download before the league starts

and sit in queue when that opens

[verbal birch]

well, the only people who wont be able to do that are the ones with crappy internet

[devout osprey]

i think its 2 hours, at a 10 gb update ish

[fresh coyote]

Hey fellas, im planning on returning to poe. I really enjoy playing support builds in public lobbies, are they still a thing?

[verbal birch]

i can download with 30mbyte/s 😄

supports are always a thing, just not with mf

even if i never played in a party

im a lone wolf

[devout osprey]

public lobbies got different builds, maybe u can do purely defensive aurabot

[sonic stirrup]

dedicated curse characters are fairly different than two leagues ago

and aura bots will probably have a slightly harder time fitting in all the auras now without some masteries

[fresh coyote]

What would you think is the most wanted support? Mad damage buff or strong defenses? Something else perhaps? Balanced?

[devout osprey]

both, but huge damage is great defence

but that would be harder to provide in public lobbies, unless you fit all kind of auras

im feeling this will be horrible to level with

[fresh coyote]

So im really out of current go-to's. What classes would you recommend for me to look up in the forums?

[devout osprey]

idk myself

[verbal birch]

Isnt guardian still the best support?

[slender relic]

12 generic reservation mastery is probably better than the specific when you got as many auras as a aura support

[sonic stirrup]

True.
At the very least, you gotta climb around less for odd masteries

[pearl geyser]

'im feeling this will be horrible to level with' likely level with a minion or totem build friend for safety 🙂

[violet nymph]

can an afflicted fountain give a major affliction?

[dusty umbra]

also remember 24% mana res from bubonic boots

this league

[hollow mason]

whats looking to be the strongest crucible league starter builds?

[small rock]

What should i do till crucible comes out

[wild arch]

Wait

[violet nymph]

do we have a crucible challenges list yet?

[devout osprey]

not yet

[unreal gust]

Does league end tomorrow or Tuesday in the US?

[pale hemlock]

Bow League

[distant harness]

i need to know how Vengeant Cascade works with bow attacks!

[midnight rampart]

So do yall think ice shot will be decent to league start or will it still be better to something like lightning arrow and transfer to ice shot after farming some currency

[signal frigate]

helmet swap league

[chilly depot]

Ice shot will be alright to start with, especially if you get lucky doing vaal side areas and drop ice shot

[chilly depot]

Rf jugg, cold dot, toxic rain poison semsic trap, fire trap elementalist

[violet nymph]

hello league bros , can i hear about you guys league starters? i was arguing with my friends about league start

[rotund pine]

they better give adrenaline update fast

[rotund pine]

wucha arguing?

[violet nymph]

my friend throws me builds he found in shady build sites

they have like perma 50 rage and every single buff in pob etc.

[rotund pine]

well let him play those

[violet nymph]

he is going to fail tho

[rotund pine]

he'll learn

that's the only way

[violet nymph]

he have more hours in the game than me

[rotund pine]

well then maybe it'll work out for him lol

[violet nymph]

but he keeps buying 2c items for divs

[proven osprey]

Does anyone know if crucible forge weapon passives work on energy blade?

[violet nymph]

yeah imma wait him to switch builds mid league

[rotund pine]

i think they said no

[violet nymph]

i think it will not?

because we have to remove the weapon to put in?

[tawny pasture]

Hour played mean nothing

If you dont learn

[rotund pine]

i mean if u dont plan to stick with starter build u'll switch anyway

[proven osprey]

Ouch.. so no EB play.. 😦

[rotund pine]

frost blade

[violet nymph]

tring to slam a special exalt to alerdy influenced base teached me so much

[violet nymph]

he days he will do t16s with it and farm eater

[rotund pine]

jesus u already slamming exalts, i played since close beta still never slammed an ex

[violet nymph]

i will play cleave ignite then switch to rf when i have curency

[violet nymph]

slaming normall exalts are a scam

[rotund pine]

that... tbh doesnt sounds too good either

people START with rf

[violet nymph]

but im wanting to play cleave since 2 leagues

[proven osprey]

I just love tankiness and sufficient damage to all content w EB lol. Like un-diable-ish.. guess I need to play better w other build

[rotund pine]

then switch to cleave lmao

[violet nymph]

new defensive nodes is my chance

[rotund pine]

i mean EB is not really touched right?

[proven osprey]

But eb changes the weapon.. and if forge passive don't work.. 😦

[rotund pine]

so? u dont lose power compare to last league

[proven osprey]

True lol

[violet nymph]

one way to see tho

[rotund pine]

u just dont gain more power

plus u can sell weapons with good trees

[violet nymph]

we can try to use it with an alerdy forged weapon?

[proven osprey]

Haha. Ture

[violet nymph]

there is an +1 divine when vendoring thing right?

[proven osprey]

Will try for sure

[rotund pine]

yea

or potentially a lot more if the tree is good

[violet nymph]

if weapon xp is just from kills

5 way farmers will make the bank

[rotund pine]

from the league encounters

[violet nymph]

eh then not i guess

[rotund pine]

i dont think normal kill give exp like for the gems

eh, 5 way still make bank with gems

[violet nymph]

like scourge i think only the special enemies of leagu

[violet nymph]

5 ways feels weird

[rotund pine]

im actually glad weapon tree wont get exp from 5 way, cuz i dont like farm that no end

i know, i dont like 5 way

[violet nymph]

yeah would be explotible

also i think i saw an t3 node about vendoring

other thab div orbs i thibk

[rotund pine]

ye, we'll see

[violet nymph]

also i still think trapers etc. is strong ish

[rotund pine]

rip sabo

[violet nymph]

but idk if they can do the mechanic

[violet nymph]

i didnt understand the changes fully tho

[rotund pine]

just try attack build, weapon tree big potential

[violet nymph]

yeah ignite cleave strong

[rotund pine]

i dont either but, some youtuber says rip sesmic

they removed a fire multi mastery tho lol

[violet nymph]

500k dot is all i need and i can get it for 90c

[rotund pine]

but prob wont be much

[violet nymph]

yeah

i dont need it

i will use 2 curse auras

[rotund pine]

500k? cold dot sitting at 4mil

[violet nymph]

with eye of maliece

path of microwave

[rotund pine]

self explode?

[violet nymph]

i should not be exploding

[rotund pine]

wait, wrong amulet i think lol

it's prob eye of innocence or something

[violet nymph]

yes

eye of innonce + 2x razor of seventh sun

• emberwake

[rotund pine]

i played that nuke totem build, it was so safe, i was like lv65 in the map, and just, chill

my first lv90 char too, just no way to die

[violet nymph]

i was also saying that a lot but i decided to focus on relaxiness on my build now

playing 3-4 button builds hurts my hands so i will only play 1-2 button builds now

[rotund pine]

no it's like 1 button, just drop totem, they just suck in all the mobs and self explode lol

[ocean portal]

when does the league start?

[devout osprey]

7th of april

[rotund pine]

next fri

[ocean portal]

oh ok thanks

[rotund pine]

just, check main site

has countdown

[chilly depot]

That should be the other way around

[violet nymph]

well im bad at playing

big sword swung swung is more of my type

[midnight rampart]

Ty, i always end up swapping to ice shot and figured with the new stuff it might be decent to league start for once

[chilly depot]

Rf is probably the easiest build to play and gear atm

Go juggernaut and you only really need 1 button for the occasional fire trap against tankier rares and map bosses

[chilly depot]

With the 2 new additional projectile nodes by ranger start you don't really need lmp or gmp which lower your damage

[violet nymph]

maybe i can use two at same time?

[chilly depot]

2 builds?

I wouldn't play 2 builds right at launch, Rf fits your melee playstyle cause you have to be in melee for rf to work

[torn isle]

Most people start with a SSF friendly farm build (e.g. RF) then maybe switch or make a new character with a less SSF friendly build later on (e.g. any "low budget" build)

(by definition all SSF builds also works as a starter build that has 0 budget requirements)

[chilly depot]

I personally am torn between rf, lighting shot deadeye or fire cyclone berserker

[violet nymph]

i mean slaping them together

insted of fire trap lets cleave em

but that can be hard on league start

[chilly depot]

I mean you would want to scale the ignite damage not the Cleave damage, so you would want to convert cleaves damage to fire and get some ignite chance

[violet nymph]

chieftain!

this league would be league of chieftains im saying

[chilly depot]

Rf damage scales of fire dot multi, dot multi and burning damage

[violet nymph]

at least 1% in poe ninja

[violet nymph]

yeah and cleave ignite is close to it i guess

but i need to spend time in pob

[chilly depot]

Nah jugg is better for rf, just grab either avatar of fire or the fire mastery the converts phys to fire

Jugg is tankier has better regen free endurance charges etc

[violet nymph]

would godess scourned work?

i think not tho

[chilly depot]

No

[violet nymph]

if i get high on copium i might farm oni at league start tho

but its painfull

[chilly depot]

If you go for oni don't go rf just lean into Cleave and ignite

[violet nymph]

if new support gem replacing onsalught is good

i might do it

[chilly depot]

It's not

In terms of losing onslaught for it

[violet nymph]

well we havent seen anyting yet tho

[chilly depot]

It gives you movement speed and that it

[violet nymph]

well then we can try witch? instad of sci

[chilly depot]

For rf or cleave?

[violet nymph]

cleave

i can make 4 witch chars and swap between em

killing hillock under 30 secs is just enough i think?

zone reset is 2 mins so 120 secs i think

[torn isle]

Almost sure it had some sort of stacking attack speed on it too, but might be wrong on that.

[violet nymph]

i think i will gaslight my guild to farm oni's

[torn isle]

but wouldn't the oni be terrible for crucible because of low item level?

[chilly depot]

Hopefully uniquies are different when it comes to crucible

[torn isle]

that doesn't matter, since tree depth is relevant to ilvl regardless of it being unique or not, same way sockets are.

[chilly depot]

Cause you need a specific map to put trees on uniques

[balmy moss]

this works if helmet has only 1 stat? or for example armor+es ?

no evasion at all?

[chilly depot]

What should? If your talking about the poison and bleed immunity mastery if armor or evasion is higher it should, use pob and find out is my best answer

[sonic stirrup]

Ilvl 80 Oni-Goroshi be like

More than half of the ones on trade are 80+
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/397y770H5

[sonic stirrup]

They don't really need to be

Or is there some relevant unique that legitimately cam only exist at low item levels?

Though Oni-Goroshi could be bad because it might use 1 hand Crucible tree, but it could also specifically be made to use the 2 hand one for all we know

[violet nymph]

maybe that card one?

but it would be expensive i guess

[violet nymph]

oni also had weird interactions with energy blade and some other gear i think

[sonic stirrup]

Looking at sanctum, it doesn't seem to have affected price as expected

It will affect it in Crucible

But keep in mind that more than 50% of Oni-Goroshis on trade are from div cards

[violet nymph]

if it gets both trees it can be op?

[sonic stirrup]

So it won't be too much of a difference

[violet nymph]

yes high ilvl ones

my goal is just to have an cool char and a thing to hang on wall after league tho

im very exicted for it

[sonic stirrup]

I'm also excited for crucible

I'm planning an elehit wander with triple leech, because I'm crazy like that

[violet nymph]

thats ehy we are in #1┃mirage-league instad of #1┃general

i think imma keep doing theory crafting

and try my oni farming strart

because scion might be dead for oni

[sonic stirrup]

Farm Oni-Goroshi div cards?

[violet nymph]

no directly the sword

i only reached around lv6 before

in 6-7 hours i think

[sonic stirrup]

Well, farming it directly will almost certainly fuck over its Crucible tree

Unless they specifically code in an exception for it, that they haven't mentioned already in either q&a

[violet nymph]

well if it is realy that bad i can switch to godess scourned

[sonic stirrup]

lol

[violet nymph]

sometimes they dont mentoin things in q&a

[sonic stirrup]

Indeed

[violet nymph]

like fishing easter eggs or nerfs

[sonic stirrup]

lol

[violet nymph]

molten fisrods?

[sonic stirrup]

Well, I really don't think they'll add an exception for low ilvl uniques.

[violet nymph]

well we will see after i waste 10 hours of my life

[sonic stirrup]

Also

Right

The goddess scorned is actually a reason to make an exception, isn't it

[violet nymph]

yeah because they disable item slots etc.

or maybe that vaal axe that counts like all item types or replica wings of entrophy?

[sonic stirrup]

No, I mean on ilvl requirement for crucible trees

[violet nymph]

yeah

they said new helm will keep its tree if bricked right?

[sonic stirrup]

Because at the very least trade has 0 the goddess scorned that aren't at ilvl 28

[violet nymph]

did u checked afk/offline players too?

[sonic stirrup]

So it would, unlike Oni-Goroshi, be a legitimate reason to exclude, if not all, at least some, uniques from the level requirement for crucible trees

[sonic stirrup]

Yes... https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/GvQEZUb

[violet nymph]

i also wonder about 5 to 1 recipe, does it still works?

[sonic stirrup]

Yes?

You mean as a means to reset Crucible trees?

[violet nymph]

idk maybe we can do somthing with it

or combining trees?

what is the min level required to combine trees?

[sonic stirrup]

All regular vendor recipes use the lowest ilvl of the main ingredients as the resulting ilvl

So you can only use it to decrease ilvl

Seems like the goddess scorned just overrides this and forces ilvl 28? In its special vendor recipe

[violet nymph]

yeah

[sonic stirrup]

I don't think we have that info. Also don't even know what level you mean

[sonic stirrup]

Combining trees is probably mainly good to chaotically make your tree probably better, by using two goodish trees together

Allocated nodes are more likely to survive the merge

[torn isle]

Also might be the only way to off-tree an item.

[violet nymph]

we either going to have some boring or semi interesting league

or very very broken things

[torn isle]

very broken things is a near guarantee.

[violet nymph]

not sure

but i hope

also does that neraby enemies life reserved helm stacks?

[sonic stirrup]

Eh

I think the league will be interesting

[violet nymph]

my main hype is actualy balance changes but at least it sounds better than sanctum to me

[violet nymph]

yeah rn without playing i say it can be in my top 3

[sonic stirrup]

lol

[torn isle]

no mention of whether it stacks, but for balancing reasons, I would think it either doesn't, or it's gonna be hotfixed to doesn't stack, regardless, otherwise, people are gonna run 6 party groups with 6 helms and 6 animate guardians with helms.

[violet nymph]

72 less life?

[sonic stirrup]

96

It's 8, isn't it

[violet nymph]

isnt it reserved 6?

[sonic stirrup]

Uhh

[violet nymph]

maybe 6-8

[sonic stirrup]

I forgot

[violet nymph]

also we dont know rarity of items

maybe they are stacking but verg rare

we dont know if that new quiver bow is t0 or somthing

[sonic stirrup]

It's 8

I think it'll just be treated as a debuff, and not stack

[violet nymph]

anyting can happen i say

[sonic stirrup]

But if it does stack, we'll have some new records for fastest boss kills

[violet nymph]

also how would new passive trees would work in stds recombinators if they dont remove the trees?

lots of possiblitys makes me more hyped

[sonic stirrup]

Probably just take either tree

[violet nymph]

and my grades aint going to like me playing untill 4 o clock

[torn isle]

possibly the same way the tree recombiner will work.

[vital merlin]

Holy crap boys

Mana res on Precision disappeared

I wonder how I can replace that without killing the build

[tawdry plover]

Get some accuracy and lower its level/increase ur mana

[smoky geyser]

Huzzah! Endless heist is dead!

Woooooo!

[smoky geyser]

Mana mastery has the only res efficency on a mastery now.

Huh..

Minion mastery link to damageable minion
Animate guardian/reaper
Intutive link ball lightning chajce to poison slower projectiles
Herald of agony
arcanist brand snipers mark despair
Malevolence

[balmy moss]

Why are people looking at the forbidden rite leaguestart, is it because of the new pathfinder life flask node?

[torn isle]

I'd note that there are res masteries in the crucible weapons, which seems to be where they migrated (and also likely makes them at max 2 mres masteries available if you dual wield, maybe, unless it's only on 2-h in which case just one)

Just gonna be sad that elemental ailment immunity isn't going to be so free now. :v

[tawdry plover]

The res nodes on the tree didn't say mana reservation efficiency, just increased reservation

[torn isle]

ah misread my bad, also blah.

[rocky nebula]

Did GGG elaborate further on breachstones, as in regular breachstones all having their area level raised to current pure breachstone levels?

will they also get the 60% inc rarity and pack size?

[violet nymph]

Anyone got an aurabot pob updated for 3.21 yet?

[final horizon]

Aurabots are gonna need help this league with all the tree nerfs

[jovial igloo]

is it really a nerf tho, isnt global 12% pretty big for aura stacking?

[slender relic]

Think aurabots took like maybe two of the old masteries

Or maybe they also took some of the flat mana masteries too so that might be a small nerf

[jovial igloo]

yet this is only 1 passive point. so in return you can also take extra points

[wild arch]

Just supplement your lack of auras with a link

[jovial igloo]

galaxy brain

[edgy sapphire]

has GGG said anything about how multiplayer will work on crucible?

[pearl geyser]

got to channel it somewhat to get xp me thinks

[edgy sapphire]

so no multiplayer in crucible? that would be awful

[native sonnet]

how did u come to that conclusion from that response?

[pearl geyser]

everyone in MP who channels it, gets crucible xp, either leave the circle or max it to start it

think answer in the ziggyd vs chris wilson chat or live stream vid too

[edgy sapphire]

it was not a conclusion it was a question, and i expected only one person per crucible to be able to channel it so the "got to channel it to get xp" would mean only 1 person channeling would get xp

but if everyone gets XP and trees its cool

[torn isle]

everyone gets xp, but for crucible maps, only host gets the special craft things I believe?

(host of map I mean)

[rocky nebula]

they said anyone can channel it but the encounter will start after a few seconds if any players leave the crucible circle

[verbal birch]

they said only people who channel at least 0.000001s will get anything 🤔

which sounds really weird to me

[cunning cliff]

anyone know what time the league is starting on Friday?

[light adder]

big ass countdown on homepage and ingame

[cunning cliff]

I'm blind apparently

Well more blind than normal

[light adder]

[cunning cliff]

Okay so I can take a half day and then use sick time for the rest I don't need to use a full PTO day

[violet nymph]

my plan is geting sick for first week for quarter 4

[ashen oar]

So Im wondering will you be able to get more void charges from voidfletcher if you use the new widowhail?

[neat summit]

you should ... but voidshot or whatever its called scales off weapon dmg and the new bow doesnt have any weapon dmg

or it will be very small

since its just copying the quiver

[north crow]

Did they specify how weapons get experience for the crucible is it only ones you have equipped during the encounter?

[ashen oar]

Will you consider adding a Crucible specific equipment slot (like for Sanctum relics) so that players don't have to potentially sacrifice levelling gems in their weapon swap?
To address this feedback, we're planning to make it so that the leftmost identified weapon in your inventory will also be selectable in Crucible encounters.

[north crow]

Yeah I saw that so I'm assuming it's only my currently equipped stuff

[ashen oar]

you can pick your current weapon and your weapon swap items

[north crow]

Thanks

[violet nymph]

also does enemies spawn while we channeling? can we just make an ultimate tank and wait untill we get a lot of xp?

[sonic stirrup]

In all of the showcases, it looked like enemies spawned shortly after you stopped

You don't get xp for channeling

You get xp for killing the enemies

Channel longer and there's more and stronger enemies

[wild arch]

Crucible is one of the more tank friendly league mechanics

But we don't know if the special crucible maps have any sort of timer on them

[violet nymph]

i can try to get max block and some spell supress

[woven compass]

godamm thats a sexy ass node

[fallow compass]

has ggg made any statements regarding the power of the crucible trees of 1 handed weapons vs 2 handed ones?

[dusty umbra]

think chris mentioned it

[ionic summit]

Chris indicated that 2 handed would be typically stronger

[fallow compass]

i guess only number wise no?

[ionic summit]

We will see I suppose

[signal frigate]

i cant wait for league start

[gilded raven]

just make sure you are not dead set on a build. no skill gem notes have been added yet

[signal frigate]

true

[pearl sail]

Is there predownload link somewhere or its to early ? ( i mean the torrent)

[grizzled moon]

too early

[hasty perch]

I'm legit considering full abyss investment right away

the revamped uniques look damn strong if you stack jewels

and darkness enthroned is super common it shouldn't be too hard to get a 90+% one

and 100% is legit doubling your 2 best abyss jewels and 2 jewels in the belt

doubling the 8% attack speed when you crit recently on its own is nuts damage from the belt

[lean lark]

This is going to work with minions if you have the minion mastery, right? RIGHT??

[hasty perch]

you can go lik 32% attack speed belt from a single mod per jewel

[edgy sapphire]

by wording alone i would say no xD Minions are not Players

[lean lark]

I'm hoping it's an oversight on the wording and it should read targets like the rest

[edgy sapphire]

doubt it, it would be insanely strong XD, some minions just go so fast XD

[lean lark]

Insanely fun

[edgy sapphire]

yah hahaha fun but i doubt it xD

you can check the one for charges clearly states targets and not players

[candid solar]

best meme

[vague venture]

How is DD Ele not bait? Imexile’s PoB has crazy gear and only has like 5 mil pinnacle DPS.

[dusky kernel]

Did POB ever fix DD's damage?

because its entirely based on the corpse instead

[chilly depot]

He's going for ignites more iirc, I only skimmed the video

[rotund pine]

man, i need adrenaline update asap

[torn isle]

just noticed, though I'd think they could increase the duration of adrenaline with that massive increse to cooldown.

also, was pillar of the caged god one of the vaal animated weapons (aka complete junk)?

[next epoch]

not really, they've tried to paper over it by adjusting spectre life (which apparently also affects life of desecrate corpses? go figure)

[torn isle]

what's wrong with it being based off corpse life..?

[vague venture]

Maybe elementalist ignite scaling makes a real difference

I wanna play Detonate Dead again but that post-Sentinel nerfageddon on Necro, the DD gem, corpse life, and minion stuff makes it hard to believe the build is still any good.

And Waste Pool and Toxic Sewer are the same tier which would be AMAZING for DD mapping

[torn isle]

what dd gem nerf..?

[vague venture]

It was changed to scale corpse detonation damage life percentage by gem level and the life percentage was nerfed

[torn isle]

the life percentage was nerfed? Looking at the wiki it was changed from 6% non-scaling to 6% scaling upwards..?

[vague venture]

Huh you’re right, thanks for pointing that out. It was Vaal DD that got nerfed (previously 9% at all levels).

The passive tree still lost corpse life scaling but I guess that’s it for Ele. Necromancer is still garbage but Elementalist is still giga strong.

Yeah that makes sense DD Elementalist should be really strong

[torn isle]

necro works better with volatile dead spam anyway. (via arcanist brand or spellslinger)

[vague venture]

Alt quality Cremation giga tank might still be okay too.

[torn isle]

I'd think ele would go for big ignites, while necro goes for faster casts from corpse usage.

[vague venture]

Yea that makes sense based off Dawntaker said. Shaper of Flames and Replica Emberwake to juice the ignite instead of juicing the corpse life.

I feel like I want Polaric Devastation too but can I afford to wear two unique rings?

[neat summit]

Welp at least now I don't have to feel bad about taking enemies can't block lel

[tired wasp]

My strategy will be Abyss farming high lvl bases and unidentify them in crucible to reveal tree and sell. Anyone else going for this?

[fierce nacelle]

whats a good build for harvest?

[violet nymph]

wait is the league out already?

[chilly depot]

No this Friday

[violet nymph]

do we know the crucible challenges and rewards yet?

[echo bluff]

Does anyone know if the Increased Totem Life on Soul Mantle counts as a Life Modifier for Life Mastery?

[slender relic]

It does

[solar grove]

does anybody remember how crucible trees work for unique weapons? Was it from one of the endgame geode maps or something that lets you add crucible trees to uniques?

[slender relic]

iirc you had to add it with the geode maps

[torn isle]

Do we need to complete the geode map to access the ability to add trees, or is the map completion just for xp?

[solar grove]

Adding trees/unlocking more passives is just with the normal league mechanic, and then i think geode maps are extra stuff like adding to uniques and merging trees

Anybody know if you can reroll a crucible tree on a weapon with the regular league mechanic? Or do you need a fresh base everytime if the initial tree sucks?

[slender relic]

As I understood it new item, or you could try and merge two revealed weapons in the geode map thing that can drop

[torn isle]

they did say the higher tier geode you can do stuff they haven't mentioned, so maybe look out for that too.

[burnt finch]

Did Chris say anything about smelting from a corrupted item into a regular rare?

[thorny compass]

no, it sounded like that higher level of crucible map has a bunch of weird mods that it can have however and didn't want to "ruin the surprise"

[woeful vortex]

No challenge rewards this league?

[grizzled moon]

not out yet

[signal frigate]

how much damage increase does the crucible tree have

[sonic stirrup]

Nobody knows (except the devs, but they're not sharing that info)

[sour delta]

What time is new league for US EST?

Or is website timer accurate to my time zone?

[devout osprey]

countdown is accurate

[mortal folio]

Is there a consolidated resource where I can look at league starters?

[brittle cradle]

Reddit

[mortal raven]

tyty's league starter tier list

[lilac saffron]

Cast when stunned

What

Nvm good tier list

[light adder]

yeah, was a nice post for aprils fools

[torn isle]

it isn't an april fools thing though, it's the generic troll starter list. 😛

[burnt flower]

Will Crucible be group friendly?

Does anyone know?

[vague venture]

Yea, anyone can contribute to channelling the Crucible and everyone who does for at least a second or so gets credit from monster kills

[burnt flower]

Oh that's dope, what about the Titans forge?

Do you know?

[tropic frost]

pretty sure chris said only map opener gets to use the device

[sonic stirrup]

And to clarify, any amount of time spent channeling is enough to qualify

And it'll only start once anyone leaves the crucible circle

[tepid sand]

Have league characters flipped over to standard yet?

[sonic stirrup]

Not yet

#1┃endgame-help message
4 hours

[topaz pine]

what is changed on syndicates? i cant understand the part about it that fled. can someone explain what is changed?

[neat summit]

owo

[sand bone]

Instead of the crafting option to upgrade breachstones you get a Kirac map mod that can be run on breachstones

[topaz pine]

so do you have any syndicate board setup suggestions? assuming ITF is out now..

[sand bone]

Well we don't know what the map mod does so its all up in the air

[topaz pine]

but map mods are for intervention stuff mostly right? for example shouldnt we go for weapon quality this league?

i took a break before the "killing mastermind gives levels" update so im kinda lost lol

idk how to setup now..

[lean lark]

Do we know when gems will be released? Or when that usually happens?

So I can stop checking my damn phone

[brave marsh]

any day now

[lean lark]

Was hoping for something more specific 😂

[eager charm]

soon tm

[thick lotus]

What time does the league come out on April 7th? Midnight?

[silver kettle]

depends on your timezone since it's a simultaneous launch worldwide. https://www.pathofexile.com/ has a countdown to the exact time servers go live

[thick lotus]

PDT

[silver kettle]

but it's more or less exactly three days from the time of this message

[thick lotus]

but cool, ty

[slender basin]

Question is raider int stack dory flick dead or is it still reliable

[high quartz]

you'd have to gamble on how reliable it is getting a damage per x int synth implicit base on a weapon early

[tired bear]

Could this work???

[quaint saddle]

i see the nerf hammer strikes again

[tired bear]

Did I just spoil this idea for myself? 😦

With 1000 to str, dex and int that combo is like a 6 300 damage bow with that quiver

[vague venture]

This is genius and I’m gonna do it too.

[rotund pine]

i mean if u dont care about 40/40

[fathom lantern]

Not sure but i think https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Poised_Prism this one would be better.

But if you do the math its still not quite good.

If you have like 2k Dex wich is resonable for a dex Stack char. Then you would have about 420 edps bow. Wich is meh.

[fathom lantern]

Also keep in mind that Hyrri's Demise is not obtainable in the league.

[vague venture]

Although I’m kinda hoping that the crucible power creep will help DD scale a little higher

[thorny pond]

If the Crucible Trees like the one spoiled is mirror tier rare... hard pass

[neat summit]

+90 to all atributes give or take tho

cuz 100% would be double so 200% is tripple owo

if the bow was a flat 200% which we saw it could go up to at least 225

15-21 life on hit
45-90 all attributes
21-30% attack speed
30% increased area of effect
3-6 cold damage per 10 dex
3 to 6 fire dmg per 10 str
0 to 9 lightning dmg per 10 int

[fathom lantern]

oh you are right. That would be 1260 edps from dex alone.

yeah but you cant drop it anymore

because its a fate Unique and they removed them

you can only get it in standard if someone sell it to you.

and 90 all attributes over 90% Inc. Dmg im not sure

but yeah the 30% attackspeed is nic eto

[neat summit]

xD

[hasty perch]

there's a new one

better

i mean not better

but with 25% all res

which is very nice because thats like 80% on good rolled bow and res takes attribute suffix space

[dusty umbra]

you also lose extra arrows you could have on 800edps bow

[hasty perch]

not really

because the quiver is a common trash tier unique

so you can corrupt it "easily" for +1 arrow implicit

which would make the quiver +2 arrows

+3*

[dusty umbra]

ehhh +2 bow with 700eledps isn't that expensive , add any added dmg from +1 quiver and some ele dps on it

• you need tons of stats to get decent value out of poised prism anyway so at that point you can afford way way better options to you

[neat summit]

they removed the +arrow rolls on bows and quivers anyway

thats where the +2 on the tree came from

[vague venture]

what

[slender relic]

THey removed synth implicits not the explicits

[neat summit]

wait theres a bow explicit for arrows?

thought it was just peirce

[hasty perch]

btw how does the 225% inc quiver mods work on voidfletcher?

[slender relic]

yes.. ilvl 70 for +1 arrow and ilvl 86 for +2 arrows

[hasty perch]

15 voidcharge ? :^)

more seriously

some quiver especially with double corrupt could be very fun

[neat summit]

o ic

well either way theres still the +2 on the tree now so at least youll still have half of it

xD

[slender relic]

that change was probably pretty good for nonmirrortier bow builds

[torn isle]

Could someone link to me the two newest teasers? My browser is being stupid and not showing my the goods.

[grim basalt]

We got 3 days woot

[lean lark]

9 socket Maloney's

[hasty perch]

leveling 15 gems in the weapon swap

widowhail with rearguard :

[wild arch]

Would be more like 7

[lean lark]

Implicits exempt?

[wild arch]

Idk

[lean lark]

It doesn't specify

So I wouldn't think so

[wild arch]

I doubt sockets will be affected anyway

[lean lark]

Agree

But still

[wild arch]

600% increased stun duration craghead tho

With 75% reduced projectile speed

And 75% reduced enemy stun threshold

This could actually be something

Snipe ele hit

[lean lark]

The ball lightning memes

[wild arch]

[vague venture]

I’m trying not to think about the specific crucible nodes that I’ll never see

[wild arch]

I'm liking the sound of this bow a lot for ele hit

[neat summit]

Nerf to the high end ... Buff to the low end ... And pretty neutral in the middle ... Perfect change

[hoary dew]

I wasn't too hyped about the atlas gateways but they're pretty nice. It's not really going to make or break the league for me, but still very nice to have. Here's an essence/breach tree I made https://poeplanner.com/a/363

Essence because I love essence and breach because it's new breach

[neat summit]

xD

[sonic stirrup]

That is some nice use of the gateways

It's a nice tree

Because I can't spot any errors (as in taking detours in travel node)

[hoary dew]

It definitely uses less points and doesn't feel bad to be on two different sides of the tree

[neat summit]

i just wish it only costed the point to allocate the first side of the gateway

why did it have to cost both sadge

[hoary dew]

Yeah haha, I'm just glad that they're so close to big pathing parts on the tree so you don't have to go out of your way

Maybe you do a little bit for the one at the very bottom

[neat summit]

ye

[vivid bison]

So i updated POB to 2.26.3, and it says in patch notes that its updated for poe 3.21. However, the nodes and the gear dont seem to have changed. Do I need to check something or select the new tree somewhere?

[exotic nebula]

Hi, I tried Tornado Shot out last league and really enjoyed it, is that going to be viable this league? Maybe level with Toxic rain and move into Tornado shot?

[pearl geyser]

or could league start toxic rain, and swap to tornado shot once got some gear / currency for it

[serene gazelle]

Hi im new, has anyone found a viable ice shot as a league starter to follow? can you share it? wanna try that vaal ice shot thingy

[full bramble]

Can anyone recommend me some builds for Crucible as anew player? I have so far tried vaal arc elementalist to lv82

Any few button builds?

[pearl geyser]

two I'd recommend is either RF Jugg by Pohx, and Creeping frost totems by Tatianel2 (youtube has links to his spreadsheet with pob info)

[chilly depot]

Or boneshatter jugg or slayer, you use like 2 buttons

One for boneshatter, one for totems

Maybe 3 if you feel like using the rage mechanic for berserk

[astral hinge]

Is assassin poison blade vortex a good league starter for crucible? I was also thinking the classic toxic rain build possibly

Or maybe even a good saboteur build since the rework

[violet nymph]

Will there be crucible nodes on atlas tree or am I thinking of this wrong

[tawdry plover]

There shouldn't be, no

In the event it is added after this league, we may see some

[rugged condor]

Is torrent link release?

[tawdry plover]

You'll find the crucible mechanic in every instance though. Well besides bosses and stuff

[violet nymph]

Okay so my main thinking is to focus on crucible and bestiary for splitting, and maybe breach for fun. Should I just find an atlas tree with bestiary breach specified? There isn't any nodes that benefit the current league?

I'm probably overthinking this (I've never really planned out atlas tree before)

[torn isle]

Anything that improves mob/item quantity helps with crucible I believe? Since geodes are considered a currency type drop.

(in that item rarity modifiers doesn't affect those drops, only sheer kill count and quantity of drops.)

[violet nymph]

Ah man I think im just gonna path Einhar/Essence nodes and turn off my brain

[sour hazel]

do we know if merging items of the same base type/uniques works if they're corrupted?

[sour hazel]

interesting, thank you!

[ebon crane]

I wonder if having specific explisits or implicits affect the tree

Ex: %increased fire damage increasing chance for fire-related nodes

[rotund pine]

might be too deterministic than ggg's taste

[rotund pine]

🤔 does nimis work with vaal la?

[signal frigate]

what does the endgame crucible encounter look like is it like a endgame boss?

[marsh jay]

My god, stonks going up. This completely changed my currency farming strat. Frick breach, Frick Abyss, (probably still taking those but still), this is where the juice is at.

[lilac saffron]

you can only do it once

[torn isle]

And then try to transfer said mods with two chances.

Basically fracturing/splitting should be the first step in any crucible 'crafting'

[sly tusk]

I mean, you split the item in half then have what a 50% chance of the good ones being kept on combine, that's ending up with 1 item remaining on average but costing a split and 2 geodes with combine

[opal falcon]

is it known if you can fully remove a tree from a weapon with scours to generate a brand new one?

[tawdry plover]

Pretty sure it was answered that scouring an item will leave the tree intact

[vague venture]

It’ll reset it tho

[hazy condor]

did you guys see the leak for the crucible skill trees

[torn isle]

regular item crafting is separate from crucible tree "crafting" basically.

[robust fjord]

what leak?

Also LA potential starter?

[cunning fern]

yea u can do LA at starter but lvl with galvanic than swap once u hav currency

[rotund pine]

LA big potential, vaal LA seems bonker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4gqjQB9sPg

[wild arch]

No leaks

[violet nymph]

“All damage from LA/IS can Ignite” and “%Chance to deal 100% more damage from ignites” Idk if these are good but thems the goals I guess

[rotund pine]

"Supported Skills Trigger once total Mana Spent on other Bow
Attacks exceeds 300% of their Mana Cost" is this "their" means the skill that is supported by manaforge or the other attack that is going to trigger it? i find it a bit unclear

[obsidian pelican]

Can't decide between ol' reliable TS (LA start) or Venom Gyre into some kind of TS

[rotund pine]

venom gyre good

i'll do venom gyre then either convert / not, or make a new char

[obsidian pelican]

I've never played venom Gyre, but I've done like spectral throw and it was good enough for starting

[rotund pine]

i did it in kalendra, it's not bad

fast and fluid

[obsidian pelican]

this is gonna sound dumb

Do most Venom gyre builds usually only have whirling for movement

Cuz idk if I can do just whirling cuz whirling sucks for gaps

[rotund pine]

prob better than spectral throw mechanically because with spectral throw u need to throw at a pack, then throw at another pack. but with VG u throw at a pack, then just whirling blade, which will just clear out nearby packs

if u dont use WB u lose a ton of dps from VG

ye WB does not cross gaps, so u need another movement skill but it's not too bad

plus WB is fast

zoom zoom

u can try it on ur old char if u not sure

i do that before league start a lot

[obsidian pelican]

well I've used WB with LS and it was fine but as soon as there were gaps cuz it was my only movement i just straight up stopped doing most of the maps lol

[rotund pine]

ye as i said u need 2 movement skills

[neat summit]

the mana cost cost is 3x the one your trying to trigger

[rotund pine]

ye it's in the patch note

[neat summit]

so like if you were using split arrow that had 10 mp cost
and then rain of arrows was your trigger that had 20 mp cost
20x3 is 60
so you would need to use split arrow 6 times to trigger rain owo

[rotund pine]

donno why they wont make gem description more clear

[neat summit]

ye

[rotund pine]

need some math phd help me calculate how to make my main skill spend 3x cost of my supported skill, and i can have 2 coc setup

[neat summit]

use inspiration on your trigger skill ig

or enlighten

just lowering your mana cost

cuz i could totally see a situation where like

you have a skill ... and then your trigger skill casts on every skill or every othwr skill

just by the cost of that triggering skill

[rotund pine]

but that's another wasted link...

[neat summit]

i mean you can put your mana forge trigger on its own 5-6 link supposedly

[rotund pine]

if i put inspiration and stuff

yea but still

see i need coc right? then at least a spell so that's two, manaforged 3, bow skill 4

[neat summit]

lol

[rotund pine]

then i'll prob need gmp or volley or some shit

[neat summit]

well if your using manaforge you dont need coc ... you could put a coc setup in its own 4 link or the other 6 link cuz bow

[rotund pine]

no i want two coc setup

[neat summit]

lol

[rotund pine]

lol

i wanna be the firework

return coc to its no cd glory days

[neat summit]

gg

[rotund pine]

some genius on reddit also said u can have multiple manaforged setup

like, one manaforged on helm, one on glove, one on boots, lol

[neat summit]

you can

xD

each one will have its own mana requirement but ye

xD

[lament rock]

yo, i heard the new Kirac's Vault might be purchasable with points but I can't find a source on that. It was in the reddit megathread. Anyone know where they might've heard that?

[rotund pine]

but wouldn't ur main skill count towards all of them at same time?

it shouldn't be like "ok 300% of this filled, now fill the next one"

[neat summit]

yes

i would assume yes

so you will have some that say trigger on 60 mp consumed ... some may trigger at 40 ... some at 90

and so on

[rotund pine]

no i'll just make them all trigger same skill

[obsidian pelican]

& that skill will be maximum projectile fireballs right

[rotund pine]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-cringe-gif-27026754

oh my lord... my brain become juice just thinking about it, maybe i dont need coc like u said

[rotund pine]

explosive arrow

[wild arch]

I'm gonna league start manaforged storm rain triggered with storm rain

[rotund pine]

genius

how about 4 x manaforged storm rain triggered with storm rain?

[wild arch]

That's just unnecessary

Still need to leave space for movement, defense and reserves

[rotund pine]

nop, just be a fire squad

[graceful nebula]

Haven't been looking at the past few leagues....what's worth starting this league? About to do some research

Hopefully I'll have some game time for once, I skipped the last few due to life being busy lol

[rotund pine]

wut's ur league goal, wut archetype i like to play?

this league is big buff to almost everything so... many stuff should be more viable

[graceful nebula]

Anything but RF basically

[rotund pine]

lmao

[graceful nebula]

Got bored of rf playstyle

[rotund pine]

i'll be starting venom gyre

u can go look for kobeblackmamba on youtube

or something like that cant remember exact spelling

[graceful nebula]

Found it

[fiery cradle]

did reap got nerf ?

[rotund pine]

i only know there is vaal reap

[fiery cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-monsters-inc-sully-meme-gif-24167879

[steel canopy]

put archmage on your main skill

oh archmage is spell only. hmm

[austere phoenix]

is archmage even good anymore

[dusty umbra]

with new crucible nodes - there are ALOT of good things for it

like we have base mana regen back

100% inc arcange surge eff from one of crucible notables etc

[oak tangle]

Do we have a list of the crucible nodes?

[rotund pine]

some datamined

[sand bone]

Has GGG not shown off the challenge rewards yet?

[silver kettle]

not yet

[silver cave]

I assume it's convoking wand, but I dont know if it's just ilvl 86 or it does have to me done with that combine trees mechanic

[stoic cliff]

Anyone have a good ek ignite build i can follow for 3.21?

[rustic mountain]

Is 300k pinnacle ignite DPS ok for a starting character?

Planning a new build but I’ve not done ignite before and planning on this being the farmer

[neat summit]

as long as blessings are suplimental to auras and not an alternative to auras Archmage will be ded

[torn isle]

Are people forgetting that manaforged itself also has a mo mana multiplier on itself that affects the skills triggered, effectively making it 6x mana cost to trigger (and payment of 2x mana cost)?

[neat summit]

oof did not know that

[vague venture]

Ghazzy posting skeleton mages video tonight? How that build is still playable is beyond me.

[obsidian pelican]

I tried a Ghazzy build once and quit the league 5 days in

[jolly aspen]

can you use the crucible with unique items?

[sonic stirrup]

Yes, but not before you do some special encounter or something, I think it was?

[jolly aspen]

awesome. thanks ❤️

[lone ivy]

when do crucible stuff into play anyone know?

[sonic stirrup]

wdym

[lone ivy]

like when does the crucible mechanics and stuff come into play?(other then the changes to passive tree and such)

[sonic stirrup]

you mean, when is that content made available irl, or at what level?

[lone ivy]

like what level

ye

[sonic stirrup]

should be level 2

league mechanics usually start appearing in the first area after the twilight strand

and by usually, i mean always

[lone ivy]

is that after act 10?

[sonic stirrup]

it's at level 2

[lone ivy]

huh

[sonic stirrup]

the twilight strand is the very first area

[lone ivy]

so you can get the crucible weapon areas after first area?

huh

if u really lucky anyway

[sonic stirrup]

They'll appear in literally every area

that's how challenge leagues work

[lone ivy]

oh shit

huh

[sonic stirrup]

I guess crucible is your first league?

[lone ivy]

I did not realise that

YE

it is

lol

[sonic stirrup]

ah yeah

understandable then lol

[sonic stirrup]

well, literally every area where they can

[lone ivy]

oh shit

never realised that

[sonic stirrup]

you won't see them in towns, the labyrinth, the crucible, etc

but every zone of every act, and every regular map

[torn isle]

Skelemages are just totems with better scaling.

[lone ivy]

prob what I mean then is when is crucible itself able to be gotten

[light adder]

big countdown on homepage and loginscreen for leaguestart

[lone ivy]

no, like

crucible area

or is that just not known yet?