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[fossil fulcrum]

i mean u can play golem, its totally fine

[edgy pagoda]

i jsut want to summon shit and watch it go wild and replace it if it dies

[fossil fulcrum]

animate guardian FG is really strong too

it just has slower clear

[edgy pagoda]

there just arent enough to fill your skill slots and the game is balanced around you using them all

maybe once mp comes out there will be some aura skills or something

[fossil fulcrum]

you should try forge guard summoner with animate guard, its exactly that you summon him+buff a bit and hide in the corner while he one shots everything, his dmg output is really strong+he taunts

[zenith cloak]

animate guardian gets his shit pushed in without question this league

waste of currency gearing him

[fossil fulcrum]

oh we were talking about another game ahha

but ye in poe it looks like a meme now

[zenith cloak]

Oh, well yeah what I said is still true but carry on

[edgy pagoda]

got a build suggestion misha?

and yea they made ssf summoner a bad idea

in poe

[zenith cloak]

you talkin last epoch eh

[fossil fulcrum]

ask in le discord i think plenty of people made it even with videos

[edgy pagoda]

thanks

[zenith cloak]

Last Epoch been in beta since Bush was in office

[edgy pagoda]

this league in poe i was hopign to go bv or LC and farm maven to get the boots and go play rf

but that just isn't happening

[fossil fulcrum]

multiplayer is coming in 2-3 months and they are aiming to launch in early 2023 before d4

😤

[edgy pagoda]

also content feals actualy tested when it comes out

[zenith cloak]

Those last epoch devs been promising shit for years

now that they got that china money maybe it will happen

[fossil fulcrum]

idk i played it for over a year and i can see the whole playerbase only growing significantly and game improving+everyone liked it after trying, as it is now its already ok to launch if they make multiplayer work. There are very few bugs and they arent game breaking

plus the devs are pretty wholesome and easy to reach/open to constructive suggestions, they regularly talk to active known beta testers and even i had a long talk with some of them in dms on some game issues and how to solve them, i think the game looks promising overall

[zenith cloak]

Im not saying last epoch isn't good because I love it. Been loving it since I was a fat mage back before they changed everything

[fossil fulcrum]

[zenith cloak]

just let me know when poison wraith spam is back 😉

[fossil fulcrum]

fire wraith is meta now, but psn is op so should be playable for sure

[zenith cloak]

thats why I say its even more important for GGG to listen to fans. Ignoring the loot issue like they know better when its obvious they didn't test this shit only makes games like Epoch look more enticing

Oh well. They probably look at it like the player base was so high on the loot explosions that now they think they are in withdrawals

[edgy pagoda]

it is hilarious that every other game of this type found out players like a consistant reward at the end of challenges with chance of getting more

[fossil fulcrum]

listening too much to fans isnt good, but they should acknowledge issues if someone from community brings up a problem with proofs/clips and detail description. I didnt like how ggg handled that poor summoner streamer about Animate G issues

[zenith cloak]

GGG has had 9 years to balance this shit and they still manage to fuck it up

[fossil fulcrum]

they literally told him: we tested it and its fine 🤡

[zenith cloak]

I mean the bottom line is that if you do harder content you should get better rewards

[fossil fulcrum]

next league...dies in non alch maps

[zenith cloak]

the ramp up of better and more loot drops should coincide with difficulty. But Chris Wilson knows best 😉

[edgy pagoda]

i swear i wish this game was single player so i could just download a old version and never update

i would happily play even sentinal for the next 10 years

without a problem

[zenith cloak]

Id download last league and be chillin

[fossil fulcrum]

ye they should add custom leagues, but where you could play older patches

[vale stream]

Currently , a lot of player want to be back in 3.13. Good old ritual league

[edgy pagoda]

i missed ritual so no clue what it was like

the atlas tree is the only piece of content i wouldn't want to give up at this point

[vale stream]

Atlas and atlas tree are both good. Harvest change is awesome too

[edgy pagoda]

mainly cause it lets me block shit i don't like more than anything

maybe scourge so i could krangle stuff tell the end of time

[jovial field]

scourge tainted currency was good for early 6l

[fossil fulcrum]

i agree its good, but i think it has one flaw that is making game really not noob-friendly(with current drop rates), if you could progress through atlas with a decent pace without it then its fine

[jovial field]

and off colors oc

[vale stream]

Yeah but old scourge currencies , current tainted currencies are scam

[proud skiff]

yeah, they have that dev (sorry i forgot his name) that does friday streams, and he actually talks about game design when people ask for x or y and explains that "hey thats a good idea, but here are the issues", or "that would break x y and z" or would require thousands of code edits etc. its really awesome to watch, plus he's a nice, chill guy

[edgy pagoda]

now they are

[jovial field]

yeah like 1/10 chance

[fossil fulcrum]

mike ❤️

[proud skiff]

i thought it was mike! lol

[fossil fulcrum]

he is very active on discord too

[proud skiff]

he's awesome. i always forget to turn it on, cuz its during the workday for me. i wish they would market it somehow, its a really cool "feature"

[brave panther]

I think the only leagues I didn’t really play since I started (ass end of delve) was sentinel, synthesis, and uhhhh, maybe a couple others I can’t remember the names of

[proud skiff]

i do wish LE would lean just a bit towards complexity to get closer to POE tho. i'm one of the (i think) few people that went from LE -> POE because i realized i wanted more complexity, not less

[brave panther]

I think syndicate and blight were my favorite tbh

[edgy pagoda]

my fav was the legacy league XD

still have a couple tabs filled with league stones in standard

[proud skiff]

now that sentinel is over, loot issues aside, i see more and more people say sentinel was one of their favorite leagues, but i don't really understand why. did people just really like the league mechanic?

[edgy pagoda]

nah the game was just in a good place

and recombs were amazing

since it made loot feal good

[vale stream]

I think recombinator + simple but rewarding league mechanics = favorite league

[proud skiff]

it had no balance changes from the previous league tho right? so what made it better than the one before? (i don't know what league that was)

[edgy pagoda]

recombs. also mageblood card maybe?

[fossil fulcrum]

legacy was very dope for sure

[vale stream]

The league before sentinel was Siege of the atlas , the big expansion of the year

[fossil fulcrum]

i dont usually like slot machines but it was fun

[proud skiff]

yeah the recomb stuff looked cool

[fossil fulcrum]

and vault mf farming 🤤

[edgy pagoda]

MF being good 🤩

"get your mf chars ready"- to be deleted

[vale stream]

Empyreangaming group wasn't full mf ?

[edgy pagoda]

yea and they nearly lost currency mapping

[proud skiff]

i really hope they bring some of the good harvest crafts back. was super interested in diving deep into it, and i get that they had to detune it since you can take the stuff out with you now, but it seems they removed too much

[edgy pagoda]

they didn't actualy need to nerf it

the game would have been fine with all the crafts still there

[proud skiff]

didn't they tho? cuz now you can trade the mats/store them right?

or, trade them later i mean

[edgy pagoda]

you could do that before it was just anoying

[brave panther]

It had ways to make crazy good loot; all of the fun in ARPGs is in the loot, and if you’ve got fun/interesting gear you can either craft or trade for, it’s a much more fun environment to enjoy the game in.

Which is why this whole loot change is broadly controversial and unliked; if you take away the loot, then what’s the point?

[edgy pagoda]

they removed loot from the loot game and removed loot crafting from the loot game

[proud skiff]

oh yeah, i totally get that they took the loot out of a loot game, but i think people were saying sentinel was their favorite before they realized how effed the loot was this league

i'm just pissed cuz i coulda played sentinel but i was like, eh, new league is in a month, i should just wait. so i made a few characters, took them to like act 3, and tried not to play and wait for .... disaster

[edgy pagoda]

i rolled a char for sent just to farm weapon recombs a month before it ended

i have 43 armor recombs 37 acessory recombs and 0 weapon

[proud skiff]

i play pretty slowly so i just didn't wanna get invested in a character just to restart right when i was getting good

[edgy pagoda]

thats why i enjoy standard

and hate every time the game updates

[proud skiff]

but now i just want to rollback the clock (which i guess everyone wants at this point lol)

[edgy pagoda]

cause they just straight up delete builds

ah yes it took you 7 months of farming to get the gear to actualy play this build in ssf excuse me as i delete it being able to do content

[brave panther]

I admit, I didn’t play a lot of sentinel (only got to 86 and like yellow maps on a bone shatter build), but it was fun.

I’m admittedly having fun playing Lake with friends even if the loot is fucked but if I was playing on my own, I’d probably not be playing tbh

[proud skiff]

yeah, i tried the standard equivalent in d3 and it wasn't that interesting to me. maybe with the millions of different builds i can make in poe it would be better here, but in d3 there's just not enough variety to make it worth playing without seasons

[edgy pagoda]

yea i get that but d3 is...shallow so that isn't suprising

honestly considering looking into that d2 mod

[proud skiff]

i mean, i'm playing solo and having fun, but i have the massive advantage of not having previous poe experience so everything's fresh and fun even if there's not as much loot as i'd like. its been really fun playing totally blind, and running into random shit and just be like ... WTF JUST HAPPPENED

[violet nymph]

you know how sad this is? I would have been so happy last league lol

[brave panther]

Hey man that’s 20c right there on the table

[proud skiff]

lol now do the strongbox and get a mirror only to realize there's nothing on the market to buy cuz noone can craft

[brave panther]

Ezclap

[vale stream]

You can use these 2 exalted orb for a meta craft atleast.... Oh wrong league

[edgy pagoda]

i just wanted to farm a mageblood for standard play this league Q.Q

like i was full on ready to take advantage of mf changes to farm for cards

[brave panther]

Yeah going in super fresh is where you’d have the most fun and I’d recommend just ignore the doom and gloom from us who’ve played previous leagues.

If you don’t know what to compare the game to, it’s fine.

[proud skiff]

yeah i'm not letting it taint my experience, but i still have the f5 fever cuz its fun to see what ggg will do next 🙂

[brave panther]

It’s kinda like, if someone who was born allergic to peanut butter, versus someone who’s had it every day suddenly becomes allergic; the person who’s always been allergic isn’t going to miss peanut butter at all

[edgy pagoda]

...that is a lie

[proud skiff]

like.....all the streamers, who are obviously playing high end maps, say there's no loot and archnemesis needs detuning so ggg goes and balances the midgame

[edgy pagoda]

i have seen 3 diffrent people eat a peanut butter cup that were allergic

[brave panther]

LOL

[proud skiff]

dude everyone misses peanut butter, its a human condition

you pop outta the womb and immediately ... WHERE'S MY PB AT BITCHES

[fading lynx]

Lmao

[edgy pagoda]

why do you think animals drink milk? cause it goes well with pb

[proud skiff]

then momma makes you wait 6-12 months before they give it to you, video it, and laugh hysterically

[brave panther]

Oh I guess I got timed out of the PoE channel?? It directs me to #offtopic, but idk if they’re trying to curb the conversation away from the corporate troubles or not lol

I personally think metamorph was really good personally

I’d have liked blight way way way more if the league mechanic specific blighted maps would’ve dropped more but I was doing like, high yellow maps and not getting any, 😦

[edgy pagoda]

metamorgh actualy feals better this league wish they would add more loot mods to AN

mm should have always been like this

with diffrent parts effecting loot drops

[brave panther]

I can’t really think of anything I’d change about league mechanics that isn’t directly “I wish more of the mechanic would spawn” lol.

Like I loved blighted maps in blight but only got like ~3

[pale hemlock]

New beyond dudes seem overtuned, especially them sevitor dudes that does their little lightning charge.

[sacred hill]

Really fucking sick of being 1 shot by random fucking rares when I can literally afk in front of magic packs or the map boss and not die

Lol

[edgy pagoda]

beyond was gutted by the one boss limit

[brave panther]

That’s another complaint a lot of people were having with this league, that some rares are just infinitely harder, you’ll kill them, and lol lmao enjoy your portal scroll

[pale hemlock]

Beyond still spawns a ton and the general is kind of rare and got ton of life.

[brave panther]

I’m misremembering probably, are breaches beyond, or Is it different?

[pale hemlock]

Some beyond packs are over tuned. I got max block and spell block with aegis 12k armor and they kill me quicker than anything else in the game for some reason.

[brave panther]

Please remember I started playing in delve just before syndicate dropped so am big ignorant lol

[edgy pagoda]

yay killed a 4 mod rare and got 2 white items

one was a flask even!

[pale hemlock]

I killed a Kativa touched rare and got an aegis aurora

With all white sockets

[brave panther]

The coolest thing that dropped for me was an Uncorrupted wand with all white sockets on it out of a temple,

That shit had me sooooooo excited, super hype

[edgy pagoda]

anyways i'm gonna go do the best crafting i can right now

a grilled cheese sandwich with cooked onions

[sacred hill]

Rlly making me wanna stop til they fix it or indefinitely

Just feels dumb to keep losing exp cuz a ultrarare zoomed in at 300mph from off screen and 1 shots me

[soft bronze]

Is this league as bad as I am hearing? I am playing trade league but haven’t finished the campaign yet. Just about to finish act 10. People seems to be saying that rares and very hard with some having 1 billion hit points?

What are peoples thoughts?

Running RF and Fire trap.

[native shoal]

whats some low level animate guardian items? whats the staff called? and what boots and gloves?

[sacred hill]

I’m also rf and fire trap but I’m an alt addict with no life so I also have finished act 10 and started maps with boneshatter slayer and toxic rain trickster

And yes the rares are even worse than the complaints

I just got one shot (again) by a rare in a t3 map and raged

So I went to a t8 map and purposefully afk in front of the map boss

And my health didn’t move from max

Same with magic mob packs in t8

Yet fucking random rares are unkillable and 1 shot u

It’s cuz of arch nemesis mods

Idk if I can bring myself to play this anymore until they fix it

[edgy pagoda]

i keep launching the game wanting it to be good Q.Q

[molten oasis]

What happened to fixing the rare mobs? I mean giving loot is not fixing rare mobs. They are still harder then bosses, and the loot certainly doesn't give you any power to handle them.

what good is a game for killing things if you cant kill things?

[quiet moss]

@edgy pagoda definition of insanity

[edgy pagoda]

HAH you think rares give loot?

[teal anvil]

Bro... what happen to this game

[edgy pagoda]

VISION ||of garage||

also money

[soft bronze]

I just feel a bit cheated right now… loved the last league which was my first one. Invested in the game and now… they CLEARLY did not test this AT ALL……

[sacred hill]

Yea seriously if a 6 year old played maps for less than an hour they would notice this shit

[quartz summit]

Probably my worst league start yet but it’s mostly my fault for league starting something I’m not familiar starting with, I tried league starting the build I wanted to end with. I have like 6k hours on steam but my rate of progress is like for someone with 1k hours lol.

[wraith pebble]

got 5 divines from emperors luck

[brave panther]

Go buy a scratcher, right now lol

(Or don’t actually; every lottery winners life has been ruined somehow)

[wraith pebble]

gonna buy more emperors luck and pull 5 mirrors

[ocean viper]

Is there some kind of guide for building defenses for dummies? I can't manage to figure out how to not die in t10 maps

[coarse sedge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[zenith cloak]

Xionfate step #1 learn about defensive layers

step #2 craft spell suppression where you can

step #3 know that sometimes the rare is going to kill you because GGG can't balance

[sacred hill]

Sometimes is more like 50% of the time in my experience

I started just running away from them unless I see them dying as I’m running away then I go back and kill it

Lol

[warm sierra]

do you think divines are going to keep going up in price?

[brittle river]

HNNNNNG

THE STARS HAVE ALIGNED

[junior sundial]

rf guy go brrrrrrrrrr

[zenith cloak]

when you realize you've been wasting alchs and chisels because quant doesn't matter this league

[silent dew]

running a lake and not getting a reflection at all three times in a row is bonkers to me.

it shouldnt be possible

[deep totem]

ahah, now imagine the life i live :d i mostly only do delve 😄

it's

at least the chests dont feel nerfed

mobs are tho

[zenith cloak]

@silent dew look on the bright side now you dont have to be disappointed at the inevitable shit you get at the mirror

[silent dew]

i havent even gotten to that point. i'm still excited at the "what crazy combination of mods am i going to get this time" only to literally not have one spawn

3 lakes in a row

[molten oasis]

when you go defiance banner, granite flasks, and determination, 3k hp have 62% phy reduction and get one shot by a melee attack.

[robust light]

just making sure every click matters

[silent dew]

archnemesis.jpg

[zenith cloak]

@molten oasis you didn't give much context there

sometimes you get crit

[molten oasis]

I also have 40% change to block and 100% spell suppress. the boss was the guy from the pit when going to duresso, not at all a dangerous boss.

[zenith cloak]

lol

that dude is a chump. you suck bro 😉

[molten oasis]

but apparently he is

this game is starting to fell like evey attack one shots you

[zenith cloak]

I mean its melee. You shouldn't have been there

[molten oasis]

I really am not sure what else defensively I can do

Im already running around

[zenith cloak]

lol dont run around when homie is swingin

where*

[molten oasis]

but seriously it really feels as though the content has gone to one shot mechanics either you go glass cannon or you go all in on defenses and spend 15 minutes on all bosses

it really has felt bad after scourge

[zenith cloak]

Or you have defenses and go lightning conduit

conduit goes hard

[uneven mason]

Hey guys, can someone help me test something out? I started the league late (today) and currently doing the acts. I'm in Act 1 right now and every time I open the Marveil's Cavern or Shipyard Cave area, my ping goes crazy and after a few seconds I get disconnected. This happens only on those two zones (maybe related to underground sea level tile set?). If I open any other zone, I can play fine. But it's blocking me now with progressing.

Could someone in here test if they have the same issue?

Btw. I've created multiple instances already and it didn't help

[still crater]

Have you tried changing graphics renderer?

[soft bronze]

just did my first map.... WTF. How did this EVER get hrough testing.

[visual umbra]

Something something- vision

[dapper stump]

so when I finish killing the mobs

do I need to go all the way back to the portal? weirdchamp

why not put a portal right there to avoid the trip back

[next epoch]

press V, click the button at the bottom of the window

[fallen sundial]

welp im done this isnt fun at all lol struggling to even get alch to alch my yellow maps.. and havent even found 1 vaal orb.... so rip when i get to red not worth playing this league hopefully ggg fixes this

[vast gazelle]

imo just pick up every rare you see and vendor it id’d

that will help alot with alchs

[soft bronze]

this is so bad. Before completing act 10 I cleard level 68 delve with ease.... NOW having cleared act 10 I am insta killed by rares. Literally every single one.

i am dying in all content now. I wasnt getting touched before with RF and fire trap but now... its like playing in impossible mode naked. Its this invisible wall that just suddenly appears and you cannot get around it at all.

[tawny pasture]

There is no such a difference between act 10 and map tho

It have nothing to do with the patch

You sur you still have capped res ?

[lucid moss]

I haven’t had a problem with trash rf gear

Whats your armor/res/life?

[tawny pasture]

Yeah , what he is saying dosnt make sens

If you can do lvl 68 delve , you can do map , unless you dont have capped res after kitava and this is more a you fault , cant blame anything else

[lucid moss]

I hit maps with 80/78/78 res, ~10k armor, 3k life and was fine

nothing bought from trade or crafted

[gritty heath]

I got to T12 with mostly acts gear (only bought a weapon and a 6link) and I ran out of alchs and bindings and can't event progress the atlas anymore. And I did heaps of heist contracts. It's ridiculous. Game is in a good state except the loot.

Grinding super low tier maps just to be allowed to play content is insane

[fossil fulcrum]

did you take all +1 map lvl clusters on the atlas tree, that helps alot and allows to progress

but ye overall it will suck even if you unlock the whole atlas

mapping just feels not rewarding at all, why avarage player has to watch and search for guides JUST to get some loot to buy some basic gear and being able to progress on atlas

those things should be given to everyone without guides/atlas strats or anything

[patent ridge]

Tbh I think they should nerf loot even more. Also nerf melee as its unfair and broken.

[fossil fulcrum]

if blizzard invest enough they might do it before d4 launch

[edgy pagoda]

even the AI knows

[quaint umbra]

🤣

[rancid pumice]

PREAAAAAAACH

Sounds like undercover chris

[umbral plover]

how the hell i am gonna collect 860 exceptional scythe artefacts ?? ;p

[devout osprey]

logbooks

[umbral plover]

got this on tujen

does this change??

tommorow

or this shard stay

[devout osprey]

no it stays until you reroll

[umbral plover]

sweet

[blazing ice]

can a helm have +2 minion and then the minion modifers (socket minion life, socket minion damage, etc?)

[devout osprey]

yes hardside

[brave marsh]

you can also deal for half price obv

it’s more likely going to cost like 500

[rare wyvern]

Super cool. I would invest in the expedition atlas points of course, I've been also running jun missions to try to target farm expedition scarabs. That process has been slow, I've never really done betrayal before, but I thought it could be a fun change of pace to try to help my expedition grind.

It'll be a bit of a process, but it won't take too long of you really pursue avenues of getting expeditions. I think the the last kirac mod is expedition too, though it's pretty expensive given... The state of things

[olive bear]

Have there been any updates on the loot problems since the last patch note?

[dull pewter]

No lol

[olive bear]

well damn..

[sweet shell]

is the patch launched yet? didnt notice last night haha

[gritty heath]

League loot is a bit better. Overall loot is still garbage

[hollow sigil]

Chests are better, lake is still fucked. I just did a difficulty 11 breach in a level 83 map and got exactly 1 shard

[polar sierra]

Is it time to riot boys?

[clever mural]

I feel chests are ok but mob drops still garbage

[tiny thicket]

Been about 20hours since the last post... So hopefully update in about 4 hours.

[clever mural]

seems they just posted that they are announcing more changes later today to league

[tawny pasture]

yeah they said it yesterday

[clever mural]

no they said it right now

[valid cape]

Chest loot beside currency one is still garbage. Ggg makes higher tier base drop more often, but who care ? who care about high tier base, they were already flooded in the market before the change and now what are you gonna do with these if you can't even craft them

[clever mural]

in the console launch post

[tawny pasture]

they also said it yesterday

[clever mural]

true but the hope is for more changes on top of what they already announced

[hollow sigil]

The Metamorph in my lake has 6 AN mods including three that give it resists against me ???? Why is this possible

[tawny pasture]

cuz you bulded it like this ?

[hollow sigil]

Because you choose the mods on lake metamorphs

[clever mural]

rng hates you

[upbeat mason]

man crafting my own 5 link os so hard without $

[edgy pagoda]

Ggg- ya this seems fine to release to console

[tame badger]

beginning of the end for consoles having a not ass trade system

[river forge]

WTB UBER LAB CARRY 10 c pluis my offering

[pale hemlock]

has the fix patch taken place yet?

[tawny pasture]

the first one yeah

[tawny pasture]

#trading

[pallid heart]

arcanist strongbox sheesh

[stiff lantern]

guys which loot filter are most used in this league ?

[tawny pasture]

same as prior league

neversink semi strick

[stiff lantern]

ty

[pale hemlock]

[pale hemlock]

There's so little loot this league, the regular filter feels like a strict filter of past leagues

[stiff lantern]

[teal birch]

yeaaa rog

[vocal kindle]

that's hot, grats

[gritty heath]

I got to red maps with the leveling filter (until I quit the league)

[native shoal]

anyone quitting? if so can i have your stuff? lol

[violet nymph]

Here we go lads/lasses

[gritty heath]

Yeah you can have my 3cs 😄

[native shoal]

hahaha

[gritty heath]

Seriously. I played for more than 20 hours and only have 1 divine and about 100 cs in TOTAL stash and gear combined

[carmine violet]

I want that Rog at my hideout

[fossil fulcrum]

guys are you hyped for 25% inc currency drop?

i think 1.25x0 is still 0, but we will see

[quaint light]

90-95% nerf, 25% increase is going from 100 to 15 to 18.75....

[fossil fulcrum]

yeppp

wait for 5 more hotfixes in upcoming 2 weeks

[quick quarry]

Let's run some math. Do the ol base currency rate * 50% MF gear * 150% quant map * Estimated Historic bonus vs the new rate.
1 * 1.5 * 2.5 * 10 = 37.5
1.25 * 1.5 * 2.5 * 3 = 14
It's about a 60% nerf for league loot.

[fossil fulcrum]

hahah put x instead of *

[random sierra]

I have played map T1 for 1h with essen

So hard

[fossil fulcrum]

the issue is that itll probably still be more efficient to farm expedition/heist instead of mapping

[fossil fulcrum]

yee u need not a clear build for sure

for essences

[random sierra]

I'm play Spark, it clears so good but Rare so strong.

More status on monster

[gritty heath]

Remains to be seen if the loot is fixed. From the description it is still underwhelming because most rares still going to drop nothing at all, unless you buff them 10x times

[zealous narwhal]

Anyone else having an issue where your game crashes after inviting a person to party?

[ornate shuttle]

I have just read the latest post

And tbh I'd rather just hear a sorry than all of this

But yea looks promising

[proud skiff]

have they ever released a retrospective before? like “here’s what went wrong and how we’re fixing it”

by wrong i don’t mean we ate your loot but internally this is how we got in this shit situation

[ornate shuttle]

Yeah I don't think they ever did

[proud skiff]

i think that’s the only way to fix their image at this point. plus i love reading stuff like that 🙂

[ruby nova]

Oh shit I heard loot is back!?

[minor totem]

nop still bad even after patch :KEK:

[ruby nova]

Please deploy it within the next 6 hours because that's how long I have before I got off work.

[rare gate]

Maybe the latest will release before I get off in 2 1/2 hrs

[static juniper]

A letter from the GGG Ombudsman?

[zenith otter]

nerf 90%, buff 25% of the 10% left, call it a day 🧠

[gritty heath]

They are super quick to nerf things 90%, but are super slow with tiny 25% buffs

[proud skiff]

heh. dev teams do these all the time, and some companies release a public version sometimes for particularly bad mistakes

[gritty heath]

"Nerf loot 90%? Sure deploy in 5 minutes"
"Give 25% more of the now tiny loot base? You'll have to wait 5 days into the league sorry"

[proud skiff]

i mean….what should be telling is they worked on finding a number they were happy with for 2 leagues right?

[golden niche]

And I even got used to a nice community control scheme on my deck. Why you gotta make me hurt you, ggg.

[proud skiff]

oh nice! my deck is coming tomorrow, is poe really playable on it or just for leveling?

[gritty heath]

What is that?

[south tulip]

100-90% = 10 +25% = 12.5, so no the league is far from saved

[golden niche]

It works much better than I expected. You can embrace two styles of controls, either going whole hog with the default controller scheme, or simulating a desktop hybrid.

I went with a hybrid. Joystick style mouse movement works just fine.

[gritty heath]

If the rares now drop 2-3x times loot that could still be ok. Problem is you find a 4 mods rare and it still drops nothing

[golden niche]

You give up on the quality of life inventory snapping from the controller setup, though.

Gotta use that haptic panel.

[gritty heath]

Could you use controller for mapping and mouse for inventory?

[cyan adder]

This league is such a mess lol. When are the drop rate changes coming?

[proud skiff]

nice. i usually play 2 totally different types of arpg builds on console vs pc but i’ll have to try a more cursor style build on it

[gritty heath]

Soon. I am waiting too 😄

[cyan adder]

I logged in, asked if the update was there. People said no. Logged out.

[golden niche]

You can essentially use both by having the left joystick bound to movement, then using a haptic pad or right joystick for free mouse movement.

How exactly the left joystick binding works is magic, but there are a few highly voted community setups that run the gamut.

[cyan adder]

Playing TFT until league becomes better

[golden niche]

If you get a deck and wonder why the paddle buttons suck, you're making the mistake I did. Turns out you're supposed to press in from the back of the screen, not grip them on the handgrips.

Just throwing that out. Blew my mind.

[proud skiff]

hahah. i saw a post about that this week and i just know i’m gonna forget and be dumb

[golden niche]

The nice thing about the desktop control emulation is that you can share your skill layout between your computer and the deck. The controller scheme binds skills as it goddamn pleases, in a way that will have no relation to your keyboard. If you use a keyboard deck binding, you can just set your buttons to whatever and leave the skills where they are.

Say you like having your dash on q, but the default controller slot for q turns out to be Y, and you would rather die than have dash on Y.

Only way out is to move it from Q.

You can make that go away with the steam input bindings one way or another.

And now I want to play more but no loot.

[proud skiff]

ah yeah, i use a 5-button mouse and sorta treat it like a controller, but i bind the buttons to make sense on my keyboard for when i play on my laptop so that’ll work perfectly

[golden niche]

Yus, same idea.

[proud skiff]

annoyingly, keybinds don’t sync between mac/pc but the skill placements do, so if i sit down at whatever machine i hadn’t been using it’s a brainfuck

not much to complain about tho, when most games don’t even attempt to maintain a mac client, i give ggg mad props for that

sorry i think we got a bit off-topic from the channel heh

[woeful dome]

they told me to buy mageblood

[proud skiff]

please tell me that’s actually how it dropped and you didn’t dr it

[woeful dome]

yes they dropped like that

[proud skiff]

what a perfect pic

[eternal girder]

you should pick up and identify all of those flasks and hope one of them is actually good

[ocean fulcrum]

nice joke

[eternal girder]

the V I S I O N

[ocean fulcrum]

⚓

[red robin]

It actually happened to me as well

[light apex]

so ggg finally speaks again

reads like anchoring dthough

first 50x nerf

now 25/33% buff....

[round oyster]

you didn't even know what anchoring was before you read it on reddit

just one big echo chamber

play the game before you complain about a patch you don't even have yet

[lusty axle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[edgy pagoda]

i have spent 20c rolling maps today 🙂

because i have 0 scours and just a bit more alchs

[pure gazelle]

Bruh 🤣 buff by 25%

[edgy pagoda]

bruh if they told me they needed to masivly reduce drops to remove the need for doors i would have accepted it

[shadow stream]

this company can't stand for their own desicions. i quit.

[proud skiff]

i must be psychic, opened discord without even having gotten a notification and the latest ggg update was from 2 minutes ago

[shadow stream]

saving rmt lovers ass again.

[last river]

Tbh polling redditors and doing what they tell you would have led ggg to make better design decisions overall than they did in every patch since 3.14

[pearl canyon]

[olive bear]

Patch is out, I wonder if it'll change the drops enough, but adding 25% extra after rolling back 90% is not much of a change

[tough roost]

They didn't roll back 90%

That was just a random number that one guy pulled out of his ass and everyone decided to parrot

[last river]

By "a random guy" I assume you mean literally the top MF player in the entire game

[proud skiff]

it’s the context that matters, poe is not a single number game, there are many variables so boiling one equation down to be the same for every drop everywhere is silly

[tough roost]

You mean Path of Mathh? The guy who is routinely wrong about shit.

Or do you mean Empy and his gang? Which falls so far outside of the standard and these sorts of changes were practically targeted towards.

[last river]

Tbh what "90%" really means is that map juicing is nerfed by 90%

Which is insane. Even the people running like half or a quarter of the juice the empy group does are going to feel that, and it's gonna feel like shit

By the time you're fully rolling forward with t16 farming you're probably at like half of where they are

[fossil fulcrum]

i mean there is no point arguing since you can come to the game and see those amazing buffs for yourself

[tough roost]

Because if you mean Path of Mathh, whom as far as I can tell is the guy who started this whole "90% less. 25% more means 12.5% loot" shit. Was something he literally just pulled out of thin air for an example, and reddit being reddit decided to cling to it and parrot it forever.

[last river]

idk what path of matth said, I'm talking about show

[proud skiff]

i still agree the numbers they’re pushing suck and screams of poor faith negotiating but the 90% stuff is also pretty unfair to apply everywhere

[tough roost]

who

[last river]

The guy who basically manages everything for empy group lol

90% is totally reasonable. It's not literally 90% less loot, but it's absolutely fair to say that juicing is nerfed by 90%, and that alone is enough to keep rioting until a full reversion happens

[tough roost]

Right so the guy who does the sort of content that the intial changes were targeted towards.

[sick pike]

Most of the loot came from League monster which they admitted lost huge Quant. So it does effect almost every aspect of the game

[tough roost]

In which case every one else's "90%" meme shit is still way off

[proud skiff]

but how much of the 90 is from juicing being less powerful vs the mobs themselves?

[last river]

What do you think they're doing? Are they playing a totally different game? They're throwing scarabs and delirium orbs and atlas passives at the maps in the exact same way that everyone else does. They do the same thing as normal people, just to a greater degree

[proud skiff]

or rng

[tough roost]

A far greater degree, so they're hit far far more by the removal of multiplicative loot

[fossil fulcrum]

tbh i dont really care if its 90 or 80 or 50, all i know is that i do maps and i get 0-1 alch/c at most+bubblegum, we will see how the buff will improve it

[proud skiff]

i just think in a game as complex as poe, making a generalization like that doesn’t make sense

[tough roost]

People complain about map and alch sustain practically every league any way

This is the first time there's actually been a difference

[fossil fulcrum]

i dont have issues sustaining maps, my issue is that i dont get anything from the maps

[pure gazelle]

Where can I farm/get shaper maps?

[proud skiff]

you’re totally right, i guess it just became an instant pet peeve once i saw how widely the number was being “misused” (imho)

[last river]

Are they? They say themselves that their maps cost like 230c a pop. A base t16 with a top layout is like 20c early. Throw on 4 winged scarabs and you're already at 120c. The main thing they're doing that we're not is meticulously rolling maps(variable cost in c) and delirium orbs(another 100c for scarab ones or ~25 for the other ones). The average player is juicing at like 30-50% of the amount they are in the endgame

[olive bear]

I guess the best we can see is if someone runs a decently juiced t16 map and see what they get?

[tough roost]

Plus being in a 6-man group and having a dedicated MFer killing all the shit

[last river]

But MF wasn't nerfed.

The extra quant shouldn't matter, it's just the same multiplier on top of everything.

[tough roost]

Except the multiplier is stronger the higher the base is, and the base is incredibly high with 6 players plus an MFer.

30% less items to someone who finds 100 items is 70 items (30 less), to someone who finds 1000 items it's 700 items (300 less). The latter of which is much more noticeable.

[gritty heath]

Uniques are definitely dropping more, and overall there are more items, but it's still not even half of what dropped before

[olive bear]

But wouldn't you agree that doing the most end-game super juiced map only giving you 6-7c profit per player after taking 10 minutes to complete is dramatically different than other leagues?

[gritty heath]

I had 1 divine unique drop in the 2nd map after the patch so there's that

[tough roost]

Items drops are lower, for sure, never said they were in a good place. But I'm just sick of people parroting this "90%" bollocks.

[olive bear]

Understandable. We won't ever have the exact figure, just estimation. But it can definitely "feel" like 90%, especially after Sentinel giving us all the loot

[tough roost]

That's because the lake has no in-map loot

[past spire]

hello how big is the change to drops after patch?

[light apex]

i wouldnt get too excited

[past prawn]

Patch has been live for like 2hrs. I don’t think anyone knows for sure.

[thorny fiber]

Not sure if I should play today or wait for the patch tomorrow lul

[sturdy fulcrum]

i mean...33% to uniques and 25% to currency. it isnt enough to fix the problem realistically, ggg painted themselves into a corner and keep doubling down. 33% or 25% of 0 is still 0. memeing a bit here obviously but it wont be a night and day difference

[past spire]

ah great :/ hope they will improve things again later then

[light apex]

i mean everyone is free to do what they feel like it but i'll just skip the next 2 weeks and see what the situation is after that, though to say my expectations are low would be an understatement

[past spire]

i just wish i could sustain alch, scour and maps for now , dont care about other items

[trim bridge]

this is easy though

[sturdy fulcrum]

honestly i cant complain. ive had a fantastic league start regardless of the issues with drop rates and what not. got ahead of the curve and stayed there. ggg just needs to stop placebo buffing stuff that doesnt actually really matter

[past prawn]

I’m just blasting heist

[past spire]

do heist 8h a day?

[trim bridge]

no

[past spire]

if i want to do maps i cant , thats is not a solution

[trim bridge]

legit didn't do anything besides alch and go since start

[light apex]

heist/expedition - > the new endgame 🙂

[trim bridge]

no issues sustaining anything

[last river]

I've just been blasting white maps for essences. Not the best money but my l;eague start build is too fragile for red map legions rn

[trim bridge]

expedition/blight/essence nodes + map nodes on the atlas

[sturdy fulcrum]

expedition puts me to sleep. im a delve kind of fella. and its just as profitable as always. no alchs required

[trim bridge]

and i'm having a blast

[past prawn]

Weird, I find alch orbs to be hella rare even in heist

[dusty cove]

How is the patches feeling?

[trim bridge]

idk

[past prawn]

No one knows for sure, it’s been out like an hr

[light apex]

essences before the first patch were a bit of a... feelsbad... especially the 6 essence 3+ archnem mod rares

[trim bridge]

guess depends on the build

[past prawn]

Jealous I’m finding 5c to every alch I get

[past spire]

this is what i currently have and i am in t6 maps atm : i have some trouble fiinding new maps and i invested all atlas nodes in it

[sturdy fulcrum]

they nerfed harvest mob health. so that fixes the whole life force thing, right? ggg doesnt read things. just in general. they dont read. their new years resolution was to read less

[trim bridge]

tbh i have that issue every league early on

[dusty cove]

I asked for feelz not statistics 😋

[past prawn]

They reduces the life force costs

[trim bridge]

just gotta keep blasting, doing kirac missions and hope to fill out atlas more and more

[last river]

I'm actually sustaining alchs in white maps, but my atlas tree is a weird makeshift legion/essence tree, but also near full

[past spire]

ok thanks !

[last river]

I absolutely was nowhere near sustaining til reds

[past prawn]

I feel like roughly an hour isn’t enough for a feel but the reviews seem to be the same as before

[trim bridge]

i mean look at this abomination xD

[sturdy fulcrum]

to me personally the league has felt fine since day 1. i blasted hard and got to like 90 or some crap day 1. 6l a carcass and continued blasting and easily sustaining and profiting. it worked for me but 95% of players cant commit that amount of time.

but my experience isnt normal. i got lucky lol

[last river]

Oh hey that's like mine

hope I can spec out of essence soon, this shit is getting boring lol

[past prawn]

I made it to lvl 39 the first day

[trim bridge]

t16 essences are big money though for alch and go

[last river]

What does essence even gain from higher monster level?

I thought it was all the same so long as you were in maps

[trim bridge]

wait am i confusing something? aren't they higher tier essences on higher maps?

[last river]

Maybe? I get high tier essences all the time in t5s tho

Does anyone here know if doing higher tier maps actually helps essences?

Cuz I get shrieking spawning all the time, and I don't think deafening can naturally spawn without using remnant on it

[trim bridge]

well i guess then there's that xD

[mossy matrix]

deaf only from corruption or selling lower tiers

[trim bridge]

i mean i'm blasting t16 anyway

not like i'm gonna go down to white maps again so it doesn't really matter

[last river]

THat's fair. I'd be doing t16s if I could without dying constnatly lol

[trim bridge]

which build you running

[last river]

cf glad

[sturdy fulcrum]

cf feels so good for blasting. ive been partial to the champ blunderbore/gull version in past leagues

but gull is a bit pricey now...

[last river]

Never heard of it

I just do grimro's version

All rares

[sturdy fulcrum]

havent seen his but ive heard good things

i have a blade vortex addiction so thats what i end up doing, for better or worse

[last river]

It's... specialized, but fun when you're geared to do the content you want to do

[sturdy fulcrum]

hard to beat cf for reasonable budget map blasting though

its nice and comfy

[last river]

Yeah. Idk what I'm gonna roll next. Maybe I"ll just farm legion in t16 til I can afford omni or something

[sturdy fulcrum]

honestly im surprised omni is as cheap as it is currently. not that its really cheap, persay

[last river]

OIh wow that is cheap

These things always shoot way up in week 1 tho

[arctic gyro]

Is the league mechanic more rewarding now

[sturdy fulcrum]

allegedly

[arctic gyro]

Is it still rippy

Because anything past 5-6 difficulty I am not going near it lol

[sturdy fulcrum]

i dont think they changed any health/damage scaling in it specifically

[arctic gyro]

Ah sadge

[trim bridge]

i hate this game

[sturdy fulcrum]

exalt drops feel bad

[last river]

ur rich

[trim bridge]

and is should still update my lootfilted

👀

[sturdy fulcrum]

but at least you can use them to craft with less thinking

[trim bridge]

expedition is best content

[arctic gyro]

Truw

Im doing harvest now as well

[sick pike]

Just shut your eyes and slam

[last river]

tbh my hot take is that making exalts cheaper was a good idea(slamming has become garbage since their introduction) but they should have introduced some new currency instead of swapping them with divines

Maybe a reroll prefix/suffixes only currency

Since that got yoinked from harvest

[gritty heath]

Yeah that's what Zizaran said

[sturdy fulcrum]

that would have taken care of it

[trim bridge]

just feels weird

[last river]

Oh shit I'm as smart as zizaran

[sturdy fulcrum]

im all for mixing up the economy but they could have dont it much more elegantly

[trim bridge]

exalted are pretty much a huge part of the PoE brand

everything revolved around them

[arctic gyro]

I hate how when I look at exalted orb in my stash I no longer thing wow I have currency

[trim bridge]

and now they're just another popcorn currency

[arctic gyro]

Its the iconic currency

Divine be ugly

[last river]

tbh it's wild to me that ggg didn't think to update divine art

It legit looks like it's from 2003

[arctic gyro]

Its so bad 😦

[last river]

exalt looks fuckin rad

But it's shit now

[arctic gyro]

Yep

[trim bridge]

like the gameplay decision was great

but it feels so weird

[arctic gyro]

It kinda butchers unique pricing though

There's such a massive range in price now

[last river]

Also has anyone put together a self curse trickster worb yet?

People were theorizing it'd be good with the kalandra rings and asc

[sturdy fulcrum]

im just waiting for the next ridiculous concoction that captain lance puts together. hes always got some wild stuff in the works

[arctic gyro]

I wanna do something with self chill trickster

[ornate shuttle]

oof

I hope mine updated automatically, I don't wanna experience this

[ornate shuttle]

yeah, they should just swap the functionalities lmao

exalted orb looks more 'premium' to me

or just update div's texture because it honestly looks terrible

I hope the graphics update in poe 2 will touch UI and item pictures

[thorny fiber]

imagine.. you could drag and drop specific buffs/debuffs at locations of your choice

[ornate shuttle]

yeah I'd like that

imo it really neds a major rework in UX/UI

because the decade of existence really starts to show

[light apex]

no worries - im sure Chris will make sure the UI matches his vision - think D2R (22 year old ui/ux)

[soft bronze]

Where is the best place to farm amber for crafting? Want to get into this league. Any decent videos?

[light apex]

amber? u mean the harvest essence thing ?

[light jay]

Those patch notes are pure garbage anchor. Just wanted to share that I'm still disappointed

[hushed moss]

Thank God, it seems I've dodged a bullet when deciding not to play this league

[gritty heath]

Yeah I ran a dozen maps and they still drop pretty much nothing

[light apex]

ye good call 🙂

i was worried how im gonna split time between poe/la and d2 but the problem just fixed itself

thanks wilson

[hushed moss]

Well time to go back on grim dawn I guess

[gritty heath]

Grim dawn with mods is probably not a bad idea

[hushed moss]

Maybe I'll give last epoch a try

[light apex]

POE this league is just going to be good meta content - see how/if GGG manages to get out of this hole they dug for themselves

[dull pewter]

Maybe GGG wants poe to die because blizzard secretly bought them and want everyone to move to d2r and d4 lol

[hushed moss]

Nah, GGG is owned by tencent

[light apex]

i wonder if theres gonna be another chirs podcast tour of "we're very sorry, we fucked up, you're right we dont know what were doing"

[hushed moss]

After the league is over probably

[steady prism]

😮 db?

[hushed moss]

Currently it's got one of the worst player retentions this league

[steady prism]

d4?

[dull pewter]

@hushed moss the same company who helped make diablo immortal lmfao im jk btw

Poe in its currency state is so bad ill be playing d3 friday fuck me

[light apex]

poe mobile - diablo immortal 2.0 ? 🙂

[steady prism]

diablo immortal = worst game ever

[dull pewter]

@steady prism at this point we might be able to say poe = worst game ever lol

[steady prism]

na i am haveing fun

just came back to 3.19

[dull pewter]

Im sure you are lol

[light apex]

hey good for you - if you enjoy it 🙂

[steady prism]

i use to play 3.16

[light apex]

tho the numbers seem to indicate most ppl arent

[steady prism]

where you see the numbers?

[light apex]

steam charts?

[dull pewter]

😆

[steady prism]

lol

i dont like the streamers

[dull pewter]

They lost 90% of the steam playerbase already xd

U must work for ggg trying to do damage control atm lol

[light apex]

what does streamers have to do with steam charts ?

[steady prism]

thay like quinting for been noobs

so what if you dont got 20 mirror at the first week of the game

be normal man

[dull pewter]

@steady prism you must be chris with a burner account hHaha

[hushed moss]

You know what, diablo 3 season is sounding a lot better

[steady prism]

😛

[dull pewter]

It really is hahaha

[steady prism]

like for real

thay abuse the game

[dull pewter]

Dude aint no one ever drop 20 mirrors wtf u talking a our

[steady prism]

not drop made

[dull pewter]

I cant even sustain alch irbs to do my maps.. are u on drugs?

[steady prism]

i can send you the streamer name

[dull pewter]

U mean empy?

[steady prism]

yep

[light apex]

i mean... having limited gaming time... i dont really feel like playing a game in such a nerfed progression state

[steady prism]

i like it its become more fair

[dull pewter]

Lmfao

[lunar sleet]

Naor, he wasn't talking about streamer

[steady prism]

if i am haveing hard time why dony you will have hard time

so on what ?

[lunar sleet]

but Steam Chart that keep track of number of player actively playing

[dull pewter]

Are u crazy 😆 🤣 😂

[wraith raptor]

This is why all software should be open source so no one entity can fuck it up for everyone else

[hushed moss]

They literally test game mechanics to their extreme, that's what they do as a team and it requires a lot of setting up

[lunar sleet]

you just misread each other

[light apex]

i dont care if streamers get 4 mirrors in 3 days as long as i can actually reasonably gear my char without spending weeks on it

[steady prism]

let me tell you whan i sew that i wanted to quit like i work so hard for 1 ex and tahy drop like 200 in 1 map

[lunar sleet]

not anymore

im not hardcore player neither

[hushed moss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ww60xr/lake_of_kalandras_player_retention_is_the_worst/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

This is what I meant

[steady prism]

let m,e have a look

[lunar sleet]

i'm usualy playing yellow map and havbing fun this way

but we can all agree that the modification of an important mechanic such as loot shouldn't be done in secret

[light apex]

even map drops playing casually without juicing are shit now

[steady prism]

i can agree that the monster dmg is like too much

[light apex]

anyway - bex being on vacation shows...

[hushed moss]

My aim in these games is having a complete build. The only thing I'll have in a league like this is a complete bag of shit

[steady prism]

so thay need to get maps drops better

[light apex]

pretty sure if she wasnt - the first GGG post would not have been so insanely tonedeaf

[lunar sleet]

Bex got the shitty end of the stick, by giving her time during league launch, when they knew they could get backlashed

[hushed moss]

So I opted out to begin with because I felt the league concept good but very end game oriented

[light apex]

i feel you - in 3 days i have less progress this league as i had in 12h last

and thats whit more playtime

[steady prism]

lol

thay do need to up the qun and rar of that for sure

[lunar sleet]

guess we must enjoy suffering for us to stay in a game economy that spit on us

[light apex]

i cant immagine how its like for ppl not playing a meta build

[hushed moss]

It's pretty simple, game progress at the moment is being stagnated for the sake of being stagnated

[light apex]

nah fuck this - i got other 2 games to play with friends and ggg made it real easy for me 🙂

just gonna enjoy the dumpsterfire from discord/reddit and ggg posts

until 3.20

[hushed moss]

They would rather nerf everything than buff most things to a balance

Since it's less work

[steady prism]

i see tha change and like why dont open the 3.19 what that stuff that like big stuff to change

[light apex]

i dont think its about less work its more about the allmighty willsons vision

[lunar sleet]

playing since open beta, and, no more meta build since 2.9. I can confirm that my experience has become worst every league, and, since the 3.0 I can't even try new spell since they are unertune/need so much invest

[hushed moss]

Besides, this setting a moba, no competitive PvP here unless you're building for PvP to begin with

This isn't a moba*

[steady prism]

who td play pvp and poe

tf*

[light apex]

yes its not a moba - its on fast track to become diablo2 🙂

just wait 3.20 gonna get elemental immunities

[lunar sleet]

I could be "ok" with less drop, if it was either:
-identified so we just pickup "good" loot
-smart loot ( with su/pre close to your ascendancy choice)

No luck , it against " THE VISION"

[light apex]

GGG gradually meganerfing the game until poe2 = diablo2

[hushed moss]

Purity of Elements grants Elemental Ailment Immunity

[light apex]

i mean mobs getting elemental imunities 🙂

[hushed moss]

Ah

So making builds completely useless

Doesn't POE already do that though?

[light apex]

yes with balance patches 🙂

this would be next level tho - make sure no 1 build can do all content

bare with me: the wilsonator, a sentient machine sent from the future to eliminate mankinds last hope of having fun in an ARPG

[steady prism]

i have 9 divine what to buy to get it up in like 3 days?

[blissful wyvern]

Guys what do i do in reflection of angling in lake. Got a fishing rod and there is just a dude sitting there

[spark valley]

what exactly is The Vision?

[patent ridge]

Chris's vision is beyond mortal comprehension

[worldly thistle]

is this ded gaem

[dreamy condor]

Pray for loot

[static juniper]

Chris Wilson spent 15 years wondering the Earth and communing with Nature, Religious Leaders, and the Stars in the sky. In the end, he had a pure vision, one that would bring his soul to an ultimate state of Nirvana. And it was PoE.

But our wickedness has taken its true and pure structure from him, so he has become wrathful and bald.

[steel drum]

Are drops better now? Since patch

[velvet yarrow]

They re but not that much

Like u can sustain alchs now

[steel drum]

Good enough, ty.

[hardy raptor]

good enough ? are u drunk ?

[steel drum]

Indeed

[velvet yarrow]

Its still better than last patch

😭

[steel drum]

Exactly

So it s a win for me

[velvet yarrow]

😭🤧💸

[velvet yarrow]

Btw farm heist

[steel drum]

XD no

[velvet yarrow]

Ehy

It's literally so good rn

[steel drum]

Maybe but not for my mental health 🙂

[velvet yarrow]

Xd

[steel drum]

I prefer doing scourge at tier 12 than this thing you call heist

[sacred hill]

So all they changed is 25% more currency than yesterday and increased rarity from map bosses and gay nemesis

…

[gritty heath]

Yeah but not much. Game shits a ton of rares now, some of the could be good, but IDing them is a massive chore. I IDed probably a thousand rares this league (cause I want to play how Chris intended) and they were all worse than what I can buy for 5c on the market

[steel drum]

I m not a good crafter so doesn t rly do much for me

[solemn forge]

Missed the boat. Add more rares and make harvest good again so we can "fix" or make the rares better

Relying on rares and the shit rng doesn't help

My biggest gripe is the removal of 5l from harvest

[idle wharf]

Mathil did the... Math, heh and the new drop changes ammount to around 12% increased loot.

When the estimated nerf in drops, is around 90-95%

so yeah, still bad

Like im not playing this game until this shit is resolved bad

[vast oyster]

((hate of kalandra)) fix it please we love path of exile don't let us go

[gritty heath]

Their intention is that you will pick up good gear from the ground and just use it without crafting, well my anecdotal experience is that it doesn't work

[steel drum]

Yep. Mostly useless

[tropic frost]

it's been said so many times but if items jsut dropped identified at like hlaf or a third of the quantity, Chris' vision will not only be feasible but genuinely enjoyable

[cursive widget]

that's it? Only 12% increased loot? they need to just roll back the entire global drop rate changes this is getting ridiculous.

[cyan adder]

Did the patch fix the loot issue?

[tropic frost]

to a degree, but there's probably more to come

[cyan adder]

They want PoE to die before releasing PoE 2 huh

[grim bison]

I mean ..lets be real ...they dont revert changes...Chris will still try to force his vision on everyone and the league is dying fast
Worst case: no one learn and game is dying

[pastel mauve]

Hmm, maybe they're gutting all the drops from POE, just to release POE2 with the message that its more like old POE, easy way to get everyone to switch xD

[idle wharf]

Honestly? Not at all, drops are still shit and will continue to be unless they revert this bizzarr change

[tawny pasture]

everyone to switch for ?

[idle wharf]

Im gonna try tarkov

Wbu

[cyan adder]

Playing TFT until shit is fixed

[tawny pasture]

aint switching , poe still the best arpg out here

[idle wharf]

Ah, good luck then

[tawny pasture]

but i was refeering to dragon

look like he think poe and poe2 are different

[pastel mauve]

Nah, i was just joking

[tawny pasture]

lot of people still thnk poe2 is a different game

[grim bison]

I mean seems like poe2 will not be the poe all the ppl loved in the past

[pastel mauve]

Yeah, i know its not

Different campaign, same endgame

if i remember correct

[idle wharf]

I have 5k hours and this is the worst state ive seen this game in 7 years , not even expedition came close. So yeah, gonna value my time better, thanks ggg

[gritty heath]

Game really does feel half baked, as if it went back to early access

[grim bison]

Best we can do...let Chris play alone his fucked vision....better for our health

[molten cairn]

[cursive widget]

decrease drop rate by 95%, the new patch increased CURRENCY drop rate by 25% (so instead of 95% nerf, it's now like a 92.5% nerf or something with CURRENCY only)

it's kind of a joke how tone deaf GGG is at this point, they just keep doubling down on shit NOBODY wants

[wary magnet]

so what it's still bad ? (at work, cant play)

[pastel mauve]

it buffs it 25% of the Current numbers

So yeah, its still bad

[golden ocean]

25% of nothings is still nothing. just get the negative reviews going refund your mtx purchases

[hoary snow]

Gotta love how they’ve trained the player base to recognize when they’re getting an “increased” instead of a “more” and know they’re getting screwed over lmao 🤣

[pastel mauve]

Never bought any mtx, only stash

[golden ocean]

dont forget teh negative steam reviews. vote this sh1t down

[distant parrot]

is doing lake even good or just waste of time?

[thorny pond]

Isn’t it 25% base drop rate

Isn’t that way more of a buff than people are saying?

[raven flicker]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/wwhvmk/the_only_way_to_make_a_lot_of_currency_now_no/

[mossy matrix]

that is not how math is working

[thorny pond]

Once they figure it out, I’ll be extremely happy seeing 99% less drops but better drops overall. Sucks they didn’t test this at all and it’s affecting everyone’s fun.

[gritty heath]

If everything dropped IDed and was filterable I would mostly be ok with the changes

[mossy matrix]

oh that is copium. Unfortunately they will not fix quality of loot

[gritty heath]

I hate trading for gear

[void thorn]

A 3-4 player group in my guild is making about 0.5 mirrors a day while mapping, super low investment. Not that hard, just being creative. Going back to basics.

[mossy matrix]

yeah, in some form it may be helpful. Less loot means less resource. But don't forget than to separate items from currency, so currency drop as previous league, item drop is like this league but IDed

[gritty heath]

Problem with that though is that ALL your gear is coming from loot drops then half of the game systems stop making any sense

[mossy matrix]

no, if they inherit LE mindset

for example, good example is breach armor

you can get affix only once, so it is drop restricted

and for god sake, just get rid of shit tiers on high level items

[thorny pond]

Not with that attitude.

[gritty heath]

So much that. What's the point of good quality drops if they have T9 mana rolls

[sharp cedar]

People still seem angry despite the drop buff patch lol

[mossy matrix]

because there is still no buff?

[sharp cedar]

?

[gritty heath]

Like I can accept a ring with two T2-T3 resists, that's what I ran this league, but some mods are just bad all around

The buff is a joke

[mossy matrix]

there was a huge untracked nerf and buff is meaningless, so no buff

[gritty heath]

I ran heists and a dozen maps after the patch and it is still bad

[sharp cedar]

Hmm

Shiet

[sharp cedar]

Even currency?

[gritty heath]

It is only good if you somehow luck out and find a 4 mod arch mob that doesn't drop 50 flasks

[mossy matrix]

Just check it with simple math, You got 10 items, now you get 1, with buff it is on some occasions 2 items instead of 1, is there a buff? Not even close

[gritty heath]

Basic currency got a bit better, might actually get an alch back from rolling maps

[mossy matrix]

I have no alcs for rolling maps, so yeah, it is bad

[mossy matrix]

just pick up rares and sell them, inventory anyway is empty:)

[gritty heath]

Haha yeah same, when I ran out of alchs that's when I stopped playing

[sharp cedar]

Sheesh

[gritty heath]

Oh god I hate chaos recipe so much, it's such a boring activity

[mossy matrix]

with heist actually this one is easy

at least for jewellery part

but I did chaos recipe like 4-5 leagues ago

[gritty heath]

I mostly just ran heists this league to have any currency at all

[slender silo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/637184660496973836/1011971793998852106/unknown.png

it just hurts my heart

[iron fern]

50 c at least

[gritty heath]

Heist is actually pretty good content, doors are bad but the atmosphere is top notch

[slender silo]

still

[mossy matrix]

your avatar is in line:)

[slender silo]

it hurts to see

[iron fern]

ye x)

[gritty heath]

Yeah I don't get the divine change at all. I understand removing the vendor recipe, but why switch it with exalts

[mossy matrix]

yeah I never understood bad staff around heists, I don't like breach at most, no rewards mechanic

[slender silo]

exactly

[mossy matrix]

nobody know why, there are so many ways to implement divining "weight"

I guess the main topic is exalt slam, but this is stupid outside of jewels

you have in general <1% to roll something decent, unless you somehow locked all 5 affixes and don't rely on tier heavily

[iron fern]

I mean even if its poorly done, I prefer the divine as the exakt as rare currency

it makes well rolled items more valuable

which is not bad for me

[slender silo]

btw the only map dropping now doctor is spider forest right?

[mossy matrix]

if the target is this, just get rid of recipe, period

[iron fern]

but having two big currency isn't that great for economy

people wouldn't know what to trade with it would be a mess

[mossy matrix]

actually it wouldn't hurt to economy, there are influence exalts, which also pricet, but they didn't shift economy

[iron fern]

and exalt had no use before except for the crafting bench

they still don't have but at least they are not overpriced

i mean you can get some uses to it but anyways

surely divine implementation is badly done

[mossy matrix]

solution is simple, if you want to make divine more valuable, get rid of recipe and maybe get rid of other sources of rolling, divine is valuable now, but not shifting exalts and have exact use for rolling with a big price

[distant parrot]

F this league. F this game. 2 min fight with yellow mob. 2.portal.scrolls.reward

[iron fern]

yea there could have many ways

to change those to be better

[ornate shuttle]

they did just that

[gritty heath]

Targeted exalts like conquerors would be pretty good. Some of the conqueror exalts have like 2 mods available

[mossy matrix]

nah

[ornate shuttle]

there weren't any adjustments to div / ex drop rates (besides the overall drop nerf)

it's just how the economy shaped

[mossy matrix]

they swapped recipe, which made exalts worthless and divine expensive

there are less sources for divines

like 10x less sources

[ornate shuttle]

you said to get rid of the recipe

and they did just that

[mossy matrix]

if only they did JUST that (probably also crafts from bench and betrayal) than it would shift price, but will not dump exalts

but they did on top swap meta crafts from exalts to divines

[ornate shuttle]

oh yea the crafts

sorry, I forgot

[mossy matrix]

yeah, exact reason of problem is this, not getting rid of recipe

[sharp cedar]

Did they really nerf loot drop by 90%?

[ornate shuttle]

nah, now it is 87.5%

[sharp cedar]

lol

[mossy matrix]

hard to say if it is 90% but it is noticeable

[ornate shuttle]

there were buffs (Significant)

[mossy matrix]

t5 map and all my loot is flask, flash improvement currency and 1 t6 map

and t5 is rare with 57% quantity

I didn't play today, so maybe it will be a bit better, but multiply this by 25% and what you have?

[sharp cedar]

More buffs coming today I believe?

[mossy matrix]

except announced one? nah

[sharp cedar]

Do maps count as currency btw?

[mossy matrix]

not really, but didn;t they buff all loot?

[iron fern]

i mean i feel a bit more loot than before

still low but still more

[sharp cedar]

All unique and currency I think

[ornate shuttle]

they are going to improve harvest crafts

but I guess they consider loot buffing done

[iron fern]

I am not that negative about the league because I know that it will be better in some days

[mossy matrix]

which is sadge, like who need uniques outside of 5-10 world drop chase or semi-chase items

[sharp cedar]

Given I'm only act 9 right now, I suspect I won't notice anything since I haven't played in two years

[mossy matrix]

maybe....

[iron fern]

we gotta keep hope x)

[ornate shuttle]

and all of this instead of just adding that fkin hard mode

[neon bison]

It really dont seem like it this time tho

[mossy matrix]

luckily I was not related on gear in acts, but in maps it started a bit to hurt

[neon bison]

But idc tbh xD

[ornate shuttle]

I just want to chill for a few hours after work, not grind endlessly just to make the game playable

[neon bison]

Game was more fun before but my build dosent rly need investment to be good so im chilling

[mossy matrix]

is PoE for chilling?:) for me it is quite stressful game, which is not that bad, as you need sometimes release anger somewhere, but definitely not a chilling game

[sharp cedar]

I mean they gotta make money so they can't have half the player base quit lol

[ornate shuttle]

It was always chilling for me until now

[sharp cedar]

I went righteous fire build to chill

[mossy matrix]

it is close to 50% retention and week is not finished yet

[ornate shuttle]

put on some music and zoom zoom pop pop

[mossy matrix]

and moving simulator

[trim bridge]

we rich

[ornate shuttle]

yeah RF here too

[mossy matrix]

you was able to kill it?:) which tier?

[ornate shuttle]

how long did it take to kill this fucker

[trim bridge]

t16 and like 5second

[ornate shuttle]

lol

[mossy matrix]

nice dps though

[ornate shuttle]

yeah the incosistency is killing me

[iron fern]

Idk but we have to give them the time to adjust, balancing a game isn't easy when there is so much content and they cannot afford to do a economy breaking mistake, it would result in a rollback which no ones like. Adjusting stuff takes times, they made mistakes and are trying to uprade (slowly and without being clear but still). I do think they can make something good about this league.

[trim bridge]

ca ballista with covenant

dps is pretty sick

[ornate shuttle]

I can map T16s somewhat comfortably and go to a white map for completion and get oneshot by some insane mob

[sharp cedar]

Is this stuff worth a lot? I have no idea

[mossy matrix]

essence of horror is nice money

[trim bridge]

nah not rly

[tawny pasture]

it always been the case , not new from 3.19 tho

[neon bison]

Its not balancing its just a huge nerf xD

[trim bridge]

the horror essences are like 12c each

[neon bison]

Thats the diffrence

[trim bridge]

but nice for some alch and go

[sharp cedar]

Maybe you got some leftover RF loot for me in act 9? 🤣

[neon bison]

Game would work normaly without the changes 100%

90% loot nerf is not a balance

[sharp cedar]

How many c?

[mossy matrix]

it was working fine for 2 leagues in a row without any balance, after fix of archnemesis in sentinel it was really dope league

[mossy matrix]

13c based on ninja

[neon bison]

Exactly

[mossy matrix]

if you have bulk it may be even divine

[iron fern]

this is one of the errors they made, but I am sure they know that if they nerf to much and never buff it will make people stop playing, just look at reddit and youtube.
They cannot afford to loose those people. They surely will react to this and we (probably) will see some buffs. We went so down that it will probably result in a new way of playing the builds if they buff new things

[mossy matrix]

yeah sentinel was the longest league which I played without pause, I played like 6+ weeks and the most problem was atlas grind and I did all 40 challenges at first time

[trim bridge]

idk it just feels satisfying seeing this xD

[sharp cedar]

Rip POE?

[mossy matrix]

let's see on GGG reaction, for now it is some lame PR response

[neon bison]

You say that but its been week and all change they did was 25% buff

And they just keep feeding us with unique inc no one cares about

[iron fern]

people started complaing like 4 days ago

they need time to react and adjust

give them time

[ornate shuttle]

it's all the archnemesis mobs

[iron fern]

thats all we can do

[neon bison]

What they are doing is make last seccond decision and test in on player base

Who cares we are mad

[mossy matrix]

I don't see big deal with archnemesis, yeah some of them are stupid, but in general they are decent addition to game. Problem is that only chosen one are giving something even if it is 50 flasks

[neon bison]

Archnemesis is cool af mechanic implemented in a terrible way

[mossy matrix]

steel-infused triple weaver will give you nothing, which is pain. And some rares you can't ignore, especially in lake

[neon bison]

I do rly enjoy it tho

[mossy matrix]

archnemesis is looking like rare mobs in some other ARPGs, they remember me rares from Chronicon

[iron fern]

Right now the game is in a poor state (no good crafting, loots, forcing people to play some mechanics) and all of those will take time to adjust, we cannot just ask to "rollback" to what we had before, new mechanics means it needs to be tested, and its not within a day or two

[sharp cedar]

What is arch nemesis

[neon bison]

In my eyes is they do this stuff that seems cool but theres 0 testing done they just add stuff blindly

[tawny pasture]

rare monster mod from 3.17

[mossy matrix]

where rare is indeed rare and fancy. Staff like air spirit (big ball) with arcane buffer and gargantuan is looking thicc

[tawny pasture]

tbh how can you even say stuff like rip poe when you have no idea about what is in the game

stop reading and start playing to make your own idea

[neon bison]

And you can obviously see them do it over and over

[tawny pasture]

that a huge problem with the player base

[neon bison]

With minions for example

[tawny pasture]

they dont do stuff themself , they read and reapeat what they read without even testing stuff

[neon bison]

I do tho lmao

[mossy matrix]

I play and see nothing

[neon bison]

LMAOOO

[tawny pasture]

i play and see stuff , less than before but it still drop

[mossy matrix]

I tried to do lake and everything lower than 5 difficulty is lootless

[neon bison]

My guy in acts i literally fought a rare longer than act boss ( it was fixed tho shortly)

[mossy matrix]

I got lucky to have 1 ex, 1 divine and 1 enlighten card. But I have no chaos stuck, no alc stuck, so no alc and go

[river forge]

Maybe they should do what de did to warframe hand PoE off to new devs

[mossy matrix]

so remove luck and I have nothing

[tawny pasture]

i got 21 chaos before reaching map

[mossy matrix]

lol

[neon bison]

My guy spend 50hours in acts

[solid girder]

This is because of POE2. If you think POE2 is going to be a sea of items without a filter your expectations are wrong. They are preparing players for that.

[mossy matrix]

my first chaos orb was somewhere in act4

[tawny pasture]

12 cuz i was sick and cant be productive

[sharp cedar]

I haven't played in two years but it sounds like people were spoiled with how much loot there was

[mossy matrix]

how?

[thorny pond]

They giant loot drops are bad. Getting rid of item filters is a good idea. They just need to find the right balance and then we gucci

[neon bison]

Idk i got 5c doing the league mechanic

[mossy matrix]

I don't expect to see items in PoE2 but why make 2 games, which will have no difference?

[neon bison]

Being over lvl af

[iron fern]

yeas that's why I say we need to wait a bit

[tawny pasture]

2 game ?

its the same game

[sharp cedar]

To remake game engine? Good question

[tawny pasture]

its just poe 4.0

[mossy matrix]

but poe1 will be in there

[solid girder]

They arent making two games, it's one game which is stupid

So the changes you are seeing now are to align with that in the future

[thorny pond]

Don’t get me wrong. This feels real bad. But I have hopes it’ll be fixed and find a good middle ground.

[iron fern]

I have hopes too

[mossy matrix]

I am always curious how they can merge two games in one, where on one side you have 6l items and on the other 6l gems without breaking anything

so I see this as two games with similar engine and one client for play

[thorny pond]

Instead of 300+ items from a blight. You get 25 and some currency

[solid girder]

Less loot and unified rare mods kind of help with that, no? 🙂

[tawny pasture]

there wont be 6l item

[stoic roost]

Yo I just realized so much rage in this league, what happened

[tawny pasture]

only thing that will remain from ''poe1'' is the story

[thorny pond]

They borked loot drops

[mossy matrix]

I mean we have 6l items in poe1, but we will have 6l gems in poe2, unless they dump poe1 completely, you can't merge them

[stoic roost]

I was planning to come back this league seems it's not the right time?

[tawny pasture]

6l item will be legacy and not obtainable anymore

[river forge]

Why can't they do it in one big update

[tawny pasture]

its the good time if you want to play

[mossy matrix]

problem is how you balance between one and other

[tawny pasture]

it aint as bad as people whine about

[thorny pond]

Certain content is decent enough. Other is bad bad. It’ll be fixed

[stoic roost]

Well I'm just casual, maybe didn't get hit as hard as those juicers

[mossy matrix]

I still feel not really clear how they are going to merge poe2 in poe1 without breaking, as there will be different characters and ascendancies

so I still see this as having 2 different campaigns, which will not interact with each other

[tawny pasture]

but it share the same endgame

[iron fern]

clearly

[tawny pasture]

so 95% of the game

[stoic roost]

Btw is the 6 link craft still in the harvest ?

[mossy matrix]

I am not talking about mechanics like harbinger, blight etc

I am saying about the core

[tawny pasture]

campaign aint the core