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fossil fulcrum
ruby nova
No to mention the knowledge that certain exits/entrance would only spawn in a certain cardinal direction.
steady dragon
sometimes the layouts have cues
for instance in Western Forest act 2, you can find Alira's camp by following the main road and finding a stray path with a torch
its the only torch on the entire road and the stray path is somewhat subtle stones on the ground
ruby nova
That and looked for webbed trees for Weaver's den.
steady dragon
the layout also makes it so that the weaver's den is always on the opposite side of alira's camp
ruby nova
for instance in Western Forest act 2, you can find Alira's camp by following the...
Huh I didn't know that. Learn something new everyday.
steady dragon
there's a lot of tricks like that that speedrunners use to guess the map's whole layout by only seeing a small fraction of it
here's one i like: in the chamber of sins, the direction of the waypoint in the central circular room will be the direction of the 2nd floor entrance
proper widget
ye but a lot of these tricks u pick up over time, thats part of the long term philosophy of the game. ppl take it for granted when all they have left is plowing maps of pinatas
i appreciate acts every time i play it, i have a sense of challenge i dont get with just character builds
ruby nova
I remember when I first played and discovered how freakishly huge Felshrine was.
Then I learned that there is nothing of note here and I should literally just run along the road.
ruby nova
here's one i like: in the chamber of sins, the direction of the waypoint in the ...
furiously note that down
proper widget
overleveling is important for new players but they overdid it in acts... maybe poe2 will be more cutthroat
steady dragon
*furiously note that down*
you can also note that it's the same for the act 7 chamber of sins
ruby nova
Danke
violet sandal
What are the league mechanics that aren't that affected by the changes, I've heard most people are endless heisting
(Because high level heist isn't worth it before getting some prep)
quaint light
anything chest-based I think?
violet sandal
So like, Blights? Heist? Expeditions?
quaint light
like 30% blight (loot explosion is technically mob drops) but the mobs have archnem and the towers were not designed for that
Ritual also
since most of the drops from that were from the totem shop
but Ritual still has its old issues
molten mason
toxic rain how is it this league?
violet sandal
like 30% blight (loot explosion is technically mob drops) but the mobs have arch...
Dang yeah that sounds bad
ruby nova
Ritual is technically not mob based right? I mean it got a point buy system and all.
quaint light
Yeah but the new issue is that if you get a super bad archnem on your first ritual... you now have to kill it 3x or 4x times
with the special archnem loot only dropping for the first kill, so any benefit of having that super hard mob is moot
violet sandal
Yeah but the new issue is that if you get a super bad archnem on your first ritu...
Oh wow that is also really bad
quaint light
yeah with the old mob density ritual could just overload you with rares, it does not do that anymore BUT you are in the arch nem lottery
violet sandal
So basically Heist is the way to go huh
ruby nova
Yeah but the new issue is that if you get a super bad archnem on your first ritu...
... Good thing I picked Crackling Lance as my main skill.
Right?
... I can win this, right?
quaint light
im staying off the game untill we learn what they plan to do, my feeling is that if we tank the user amount enought they might take us seriously.
ruby nova
But it's boring though, and doesn't advance the map.
violet sandal
im staying off the game untill we learn what they plan to do, my feeling is that...
Supposedly user 70% drop off was average of 30 days, this league it's 3
So I'm guessing they'll do something
I've heard leveling heist content isn't worth it though due to whatever changes
So people are just doing endless downleveling heists
ruby nova
Supposedly user 70% drop off was average of 30 days, this league it's 3
... Oh man I should charge my phone.
violet sandal
Oh the numbers aren't that bad
This is the chart someone sent me
gloomy tapir
Does your chart has background proof? Cuz i trust steam screenshot guy more, and its far from 70%
quaint light
I think the second friday is the real tell, weekday is going to drop from people going to work/school
violet sandal
Does your chart has background proof? Cuz i trust steam screenshot guy more, and...
Yeah that's what I meant by saying the numbers aren't that bad
The chart I was sent was probably bogus
quaint saddle
Error 404: loot not found
violet sandal
That's what I meant though
quaint light
you use a book of regression and keep you at lvl 69
violet sandal
Buying contracts to run them isn't as profitable as getting whakano's is what I've heard
Gotta try it out soon to make sure though :P
quaint light
I misunderstood, could have sworn there was a strat around heist where you just keep your character under a breakpoint to farm a certain heist thing
violet sandal
That's also what I meant, but I think I made a mistake thinking that also delevels Rogue levels
rocky nebula
Oh the numbers aren't that bad
This is the chart someone sent me
Delirium best league WOOOOOH! Let's fuckin go!
torn dove
this is statistics from https://steamdb.info/app/238960/graphs/
eternal girder
is this the new strat? just do all leagues that didn't actually drop items so that they dodged the quant nerf? like heist, ritual, expedition, uhhh betrayal?
did delve dodge the nerf?
rocky nebula
Expedition has always been good I think.
gloomy tapir
No ritual was
cunning yoke
Is legion worth it on lower tier maps?
sweet shell
uff that many dropped already ?
cunning yoke
Like atlas speccing I mean
fallow mica
marsh oracle
how do u unlock all rerolls?
fossil fulcrum
https://www.twitch.tv/alkaizerx/clip/SeductiveBrainyJellyfishRuleFive-PkYm-HRobA...
had to watch twice to be sure it wasnt quin69 doing his classic take
next epoch
🐶
👕👍
ruby nova
what a damnation have I done
You just made a metamorph.
fallow mica
ruby nova
Looks like you accidentally mixed in an Archnemesis mod there. That's why it's fugged.
Choose your body parts carefully next time.
For now please kill it.
violet nymph
Is seismic trap good for the kalandra league?
vapid geyser
Is seismic trap good for the kalandra league?
Yes. It’s no longer OP as it used to be but it’s still solid from what ai’ve seen
violet nymph
Yes. It’s no longer OP as it used to be but it’s still solid from what ai’ve see...
I can't seem to find any guides or anything for it this league?
light apex
no othere statements ?
boreal crag
Nope
ruby nova
violet sandal
I find this kind of hilarious lol
This is quite impactful, resulting in around 25% more high armour base types dropping.
light apex
cool mapping still pointless then
violet sandal
It's almost like
Hey, comeon, this is good right!
light apex
not sure if GGG actually clueless AF or just playing dumb
boreal crag
They really are tripling down on this shit smh
dusk drift
so is it playable now? lol
boreal crag
so is it playable now? lol
If you like getting 25% more useless rare armor bases :)
light apex
25% more applied after the general 50x less on all loot 🙂
violet sandal
The thing is, it's not even 25% more loot
It's 25% more "weight" of getting higher basetype armor
light apex
how about the loot ?
watching a few streams - seems to be unchanged at all
yeah
had to use up remaining hopium fumes 🙂
well good luck to ggg then 🙂
zenith otter
it was a nice run :)
light apex
undoing loot creep of almost a decade in 1 patch... yeah
cunning fern
… seems like ggg bend over and just gave loot explosion
Not actually solving the problem
light apex
what loot explosion ?
cunning fern
Idk the new patch
boreal crag
new patch did fuck all
light apex
there is no loot explosion 🙂
cunning fern
Ok so no screen clutter problem LUL
light apex
yeah GGG really saved us from a lot of clicking
boreal crag
Don't worry guys! We're just saving you some extra clicks :)
light apex
i mean when you dont even feel like starting the game - so much less clicking
quaint saddle
Archnemesis modifiers should have been completely scrapped
light apex
a league or 2 ago yes 🙂
boreal crag
I don't think they're going anywhere. If they were, they would have been gone already
violet sandal
I wonder what bad can come from either nerfing additional "loot rarity/quality" or removing the stat so that MF stacking can't happen and keep the loot gain decently high
and not nerf the entire loot drop down with MF parties
soft onyx
3 19 c out already?
light apex
ye
quaint saddle
and its continuing to drop
light apex
still 95k ppl played in yesterdays peak on steamchart
tho from day 1 150k to day 3 95k 1/3 of pop drop in 3 days
ornate shuttle
I just dropped in to complete some map bonuses, not really farm anything
Got a divine drop on like a white map, but hell it doesn't even release the dopamine at this point
light apex
hehe i checked out prices for some gear i want...
light apex
splinters jewel still 60c....
everything else crazy expensive too
guess it makes sense since the supply is 50x lower
boreal crag
tho from day 1 150k to day 3 95k 1/3 of pop drop in 3 days
they have 63% player retention at the start of today lol
ornate shuttle
it is the combined result of reduced drops and MF parties quitting and not supplying the market
light apex
tho i dont know where ppl get the currency to buy 🙂
marsh oracle
cunning fern
they have 63% player retention at the start of today lol
Wait, 89.6% on betrayal? Holy fuck
Who the fk
Plays betrayal league
Holy
marsh oracle
Yea I'm making mad money from essence but I dont know where they get the money
Still seems like a problem because after flat drops like essence/heist/blight, you have no endgame content
boreal crag
That was when betrayal came out
ornate shuttle
yeah after the qol changes it aint that bad, but at the start it was atrocious
light apex
@boreal crag no worries - they are racing to the bottom - i feel like if theres no big walkback today - its going to reach new lows in a few days
boreal crag
Feels like ggg just enjoys 2 steps forward 10 steps back /shrug
gentle spear
cunning fern
The buff chest loot, u at least get alchemy now kekw
light apex
maybe its me being paranoid but it feels like the game is on fast track to wilsonvision on an exponential curve
marsh oracle
betrayal league mechanic was so garbage but I liked my character that league 🙂
another thing is ppl feel like theres no fallback to a terrible league mechanic (lake), u got same crappy & nerfed builds and general mapping is ruined; so either you heist or you're complaining
light apex
next league we gonna have to farm act1 half a day for loot to kill mervail
cunning fern
betrayal league mechanic was so garbage but I liked my character that league 🙂 ...
I’m heisting and complaining both at the same time LUL
boreal crag
betrayal league mechanic was so garbage but I liked my character that league 🙂 ...
90% of my money this league is from t1 maps doing essences lmao
marsh oracle
90% of my money this league is from t1 maps doing essences lmao
same lol
cunning fern
90% of my money this league is from t1 maps doing essences lmao
Yoooo, low tier map farming is back? Pog
boreal crag
nah, essence market is super over saturated now
cunning fern
I think they need to do what they did to incursion
light apex
yeah got my +2 bow essence for 2c on sunday... like wtf the prices 🙂
bold imp
Aaaaand crash. 😦
cunning fern
Limit the amount of requirements for lake of kalandra
Hard cap the requirements
Maximum of 12 or something
quaint saddle
good job i stopped buying supporter backs back in Ritual League
mystic bolt
I dont really mind nerving loot.
But nerving loot in combination with making the game harder, just ends up being frustrating.
I still remember when I could play a meme build with decent success.
And nowadays a builds requires so much more to feel good in red maps that you cant really go for memes anymore unless you super invest into it.
cunning fern
good job i stopped buying supporter backs back in Ritual League
Lmao imagine buying supporter pack past 3.0
marsh oracle
what I noticed is no one knows or cares (even ggg) what the lake of kalandra mechanic is
cunning fern
If u bought anything past 3.0
marsh oracle
the only content creator to even attempt to play it is grimro
quaint saddle
well i mean i got the the crusader set from conquerers of the atlas
cunning fern
the only content creator to even attempt to play it is grimro
I mean, I want his take in the newly buffs chest loot
Gotta wait a day or two for that
marsh oracle
yea I wanted to try a few things but feels foolish to run lakes before GGG do the buffs
light apex
ye kalandra mech is complete ass - get 1 in 10-12 maps and running it doest even give you as much loot as half a map
quaint saddle
light apex
lol game just crashed sitting in HO doing nothing
mystic bolt
I am just sitting in my hideout flipping items for profit until hopefully we get an answer on whats going on.
I really, truly hope that its all just a glitch in the code and GGG had no intention on it being this bad.
Or maybe they messed something up while testing and it felt great because of that.
I know its pure Copium, but in my mind GGG is in the top 3 of cool game-developers.
And I really don't want that perception to change.
fossil fulcrum
nice patchnotes 🥱
forest coyote
light apex
the league got wilsonated 🙂
ornate shuttle
any feedback on the kalanda loot buff yet?
gleaming zodiac
lake got buffed few minutes ago
soft onyx
I am just sitting in my hideout flipping items for profit until hopefully we get...
i actually agree with u on that top3 thing
mystic bolt
They would be number one without the Tencent thing.
I have never seen such a dedicated bunch of developers.
Never seen so much communication with the fanbase.
Never heard of another developer who actively helps a player that is struggling with a gambling addiction by preventing him to buy loot-boxes after the player requests it.
- Every time Chris is talking publicly about game design etc I get the feeling that he is a really cool dude.
And now they are doing this shite.. There has to be an explanation. There MUST be.
patent ridge
Melee needs a nerf
mystic bolt
Destroying Standard Economy just for the sake of change.
Archnemesis.
The Harvest stuff.
Leaving stuff out of the patch notes.
Promising cool Kalandra Lore that doesn't exist.
Going against what every player I know is requesting.
It just.. leaves a bitter taste.
fossil fulcrum
any feedback on the kalanda loot buff yet?
Just ran yellow lvl 16 template mirror, drops are on par with what you get from 1 yellow+alch map from the previous league
but nothing else is fixed
so basically we now run several trash maps to get 1 mirror map that gets us at most as much as 1 alch map from previous season
fossil fulcrum
Melee needs a nerf
Quin69 lvl take 
mystic bolt
What are you talking about? Melee is almost as op as Channeling skills.
naive narwhal
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Community_Team Trolled by the community team 
fossil fulcrum
What are you talking about? Melee is almost as op as Channeling skills.
1 or 2 skills, 99% of melee is trash
i wonder if there is even 1 player who uses cleave now
copper roost
They would be number one without the Tencent thing.
I have never seen such a de...
Its easier to blame it on tencent than admit that GGG/chris have changed imo, since almost all of us really liked what chris did in the past. I think this is really what chris wanted and not tencent enforcing which direction the game takes
mystic bolt
You obviously have no idea how balancing works.
Melee is way too strong right now. Especially strike skills like Double Strike.
I mean.. That skill literally hits TWICE at once!
fossil fulcrum
ok troll
mystic bolt
I thought that was obvious after I said channeling skills are op..
mystic bolt
Its easier to blame it on tencent than admit that GGG/chris have changed imo, si...
I dont blame Tencent at all here.
Chris has stated many times in the past that he has complete creative freedom.
Which is the reason why I am worried..
copper roost
My bad I thought you did since you said they would be no.1 without tencent
Yeah haha I'm getting antsy too. I used to close one eye and still play on but this league...
mystic bolt
League is fine.
The general changes are the problem 😄
plucky juniper
game is crashing :/ Also, first monster i meet is a permafreeze red einhar beast
high blaze
idk how i dropped an aegis aurora from a random shrine mob in t13 but overall this league is garbage
copper roost
I never said the league wasn't fine, I mean this league is the first time I am worried
Nvm hahaha
high blaze
and if i didnt drop something to upgrade my build i would ve stopped playing
mystic bolt
Eh.. Lets just wait and see.. Maybe they will post a statement in a few minutes that explains everything.
Like.. Maybe Chris is being blackmailed by RaizQT to release Hardmode into the public and they can revert it once the Police manages to bring him down..
high blaze
i have like 12 13 divines into my build and still its so hard in red maps kekw nice work with mobs
high blaze
Eh.. Lets just wait and see.. Maybe they will post a statement in a few minutes ...
or maybe we are the testers KEKW
every league start so far had many issues , they had to adjust things even tho they said they "tested"
lean drift
guys how is the patch so far?
lean drift
i have like 12 13 divines into my build and still its so hard in red maps kekw n...
lulz
boreal crag
Attaching to the Tencent conversation;
Tencent has bought many over seas game companies and such, and for the majority of them, they focus on making the Chinese version of said game and focusing only on that, and allowing the original game devs continue creating content and such for all other regions. It's not Tencent's fault to an extent. The only thing you can really blame them for is the mtx pushing, as well as giving CW money so he doesn't have to give a shit about what the players actually want and can live off money that majority of people would never be even close to making in their entire lifetime.
high blaze
even so it wont be that much of a deal , they need to properly buff things not small changes
the life adjustment feels like a placebo nerf kekw
they took the life from arch mods
and increased base rare mob life
copper roost
Maybe Chris is being blackmailed by RaizQT to release Hardmode into the public
This league feels like hardmode already 🥲
high blaze
this game feels like garbage already
copper roost
And not the fun kind of hardmode
high blaze
And not the fun kind of hardmode
they can keep the hardmode part but make it rewarding
boreal crag
the life adjustment feels like a placebo nerf kekw
Rare mob life isn't even the issue. The issue is the archnemesis effects, and the sheer amount of damage rare mobs output. Ghazzy's video goes more in depth for it.
copper roost
God I never whined so much before 🤮
mystic bolt
Same
I always was like "Yeah.. Not for me, but I can cope!".
But this time it really feels.. strange.
copper roost
I always was like "Yeah.. Not for me, but I can cope!".
But this time it really...
Exactly this
high blaze
Rare mob life isn't even the issue. The issue is the archnemesis effects, and th...
actually it is , it can have mods but make it less tankier so u can actually kill the mob
and add rewards not wetstones
light apex
oh yeah what the fuck is up with armor/weapon quality mats
boreal crag
I've had no problems killing the mobs due to their health. Killing them before they kill me 6 times though? That's the other issue.
light apex
i have 1-1.5k of each they drop in multiple full stacks
boreal crag
oh yeah what the fuck is up with armor/weapon quality mats
They made archnemesis mobs have their effects from the league, like when you would stack certain mods together.
violet sandal
Attaching to the Tencent conversation;
Tencent has bought many over seas game c...
Well the thing is, we have seen from other Tencent games that Tencent-bought franchises have been producing quite a lack-luster customer experience but pack full of creative MTXs, I don't think it's natural to say people are worried
Not that developers have no responsibilities nope of course not
high blaze
I've had no problems killing the mobs due to their health. Killing them before t...
i ve had issues with only 2-3 rare mobs in t16 with bad map mods on poison conc 3/4 arch mods so far tho
boreal crag
That's what's causing the scraps dropping and the all white sockets, etc.
mystic bolt
I think the idea is great!
Have very few rare monsters but supercharge them with hp and damage but also actual ways to dodge they're attacks.
Like Kitava!
You can beat that guy without ever getting hit.
And stuff like that should work for every rare.
I of course dont expect a cinematic boss fight every time I encounter a rare, but would it be so hard to let arch-nemesis mods have slow but powerful effects that you can dodge?
boreal crag
i ve had issues with only 2-3 rare mobs in t16 with bad map mods on poison conc ...
To be fair I didn't give a shit about map rares, I was farming essences /shrug
light apex
if only the arch mobs dropped stacks of better curencies
high blaze
To be fair I didn't give a shit about map rares, I was farming essences /shrug
essences are cringe tho , essence mod arch mod rare mob , stacked af
mystic bolt
I hate that..
high blaze
if only the arch mobs dropped stacks of better curencies
not stacks but at least currency
mystic bolt
My brain does not accept the fact that Divines are the new top tier currency..
high blaze
its ok w divine changes
mystic bolt
I see 50 divines and think.. well.. that is not a lot.
high blaze
they should add divine shards and cards or buff drop rates
mystic bolt
Just convert EX cards to Divine Cards.
high blaze
yea felt bad to stay with 2 ex in my stash first day
mystic bolt
That is what the original players wanted they're cards to be.
boreal crag
Honestly the best idea I heard was to just make a whole seperate currency for the meta mods, since that's what drives the prices for the "top currency." If they really hate the way exalts were being used, why make it feel bad by basically not being allowed to actually make certain items feel good by rerolling their mod values smh
mystic bolt
Honestly? I think the worst part is the 6-Link recipe.
At least let it drop 50 fusings or something like that.
20 is such a sad number.
patent ridge
Latency build confirmed?
cold flax
im in lab 
I SURVIVED
its back
now its 4 minutes of waiting until the latency is gone
high blaze
Honestly the best idea I heard was to just make a whole seperate currency for th...
but now its easier
ruby nova
Ugh why is Arc so weak.
I ran a general nonbias skilltree and absolution, blazing salvo and crackling lance all out performed Arc by a wide margin.
Which is sad because I love how Arc feels.
stiff lantern
i'm seeing some lightning strike builds with dreamfeathers what's the deal with then ?
honest dune
i'm seeing some lightning strike builds with dreamfeathers what's the deal with ...
If you mean replica dreamfeather, they are armour stacking
Gives loads of attack dmg
stiff lantern
any idea what would do better between claw+shield vs replica dreamfeather ?
patent ridge
Spectral Helix feels so weird to use
honest dune
any idea what would do better between claw+shield vs replica dreamfeather ?
You would have to check in pob because they scale quite differently
It depends on a lot of factors aswell, budget specifically
Armour stacking being better at 100ex+ doesnt help you much if you only have 2
pastel mauve
I mean, 2ex is not gonna get you far anyway
lean drift
bruh imagine + fire as well 😦
junior cobalt
This league feel so bad in every term. Its sad for casual player like me
past badger
Cusuals shall now remain casual nubs for longer
hybrid fog
This league feel so bad in every term. Its sad for casual player like me
bad for casuals, bad for veterans, bad for streamers
distant parrot
its just bad? i mean.. boring?
ornate shuttle
bruh imagine + fire as well 😦
aint that lose life a huge downside?
past badger
Maybe not for totems
lone whale
Or solid recovery
Fck theorizing builds, I'm theorizing leagues now
How are the chest drops after patch?
grim bison
Better but still shit
past badger
Yeah heist players need to get out of rougue harbor so i lag less 
gloomy tapir
You also lag then the same way they lag you. Stand up, start with your self and leave it first kek
ashen whale
Is toxic rain better than PC?
patent ridge
What specs does the toxic rain have?
ashen whale
Idk Im still looking at build guides. Somewhere around 10ish divines same with PC. Although I am planning to spend more to either
I just like the toxic rain playstyle
But since this league seems bad, I wanna run something meta so I wont suffer as a casual
sacred hill
oh kk
i tried that on my lvl 70 and it was ilvl 10 lol
trying rn
im noob at crafting, any random tips before i try and fuck up
dull pewter
Ya dont cract in 3.19 its a waste of time lol
light apex
there is that ^
sacred hill
i thought the ilvl 4 sceptre supposed to be relatively easy to craft tho
light apex
problem is harvest has been basically deleted from the game
which makes it a tad harder
dull pewter
Crafting is a gambling simulation now
light apex
better off farming low maps for currency (or ideally expedition)
but buying is kind of a pain too since supply is low and prices are on the high side
sacred hill
yea thats why i was trying to craft, i just looked and even trash sceptres expensive
light apex
basically this league is screwed up in many creative ways
at least normally when GGG fucks up the league mech there is a solid base game to fall back on 🙂
this time around tho its f-ed from both ends
cursive widget
how good is the new buffed lake? Or is it still shit?
halcyon cosmos
still shit
past badger
Its buffed meaning more scrolls and whetstones
past badger
Good thing my first.month is only to run labs then
halcyon cosmos
yeah i quit the league and uninstalled...
past badger
Thats a bit drastic
halcyon cosmos
the game took a direction that it really shouldn't have
past badger
I get the quit but uninstalled....?
cursive widget
the game took a direction that it really shouldn't have
it's just crazy the amount of cognitive dissonance being displayed by GGG tbh
halcyon cosmos
this guy said it best
obsidian pelican
and I wanted to buy a supporter pack :/
halcyon cosmos
if only i could refund the hours and money i spent on this game
obsidian pelican
The global rarity change really feels bad in kalandra
cursive widget
its like "REVERT THE LOOT NERFS"
And then GGG is like "Look we made archnemesis monsters a little less tanky!"
completely ignoring loot stuff
halcyon cosmos
they didnt even make it slightly less tanky
obsidian pelican
I just want to be able to afford alch and vaaling my maps
halcyon cosmos
i just want to FIND alchs and vaal orbs
cursive widget
all I gotta say is, someone at ggg needs to get fired big time
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or maybe chris should at least play the game LOL
halcyon cosmos
pretty sure he does
obsidian pelican
It's just not fun which is my issue
halcyon cosmos
yup there is soo much content in the game and i feel like if you arent doing endless heisting then you are wasting your time
cursive widget
pretty sure he does
zero chance he played the game with these new changes all the way to t16 maps+ and thought this was great for PoE
halcyon cosmos
i know he plays/played the game
because he wanted a new game section to be added
so that he can enjoy that more
which would be hardmode
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why don't they create "hard mode PoE" as a separate option, like hard core, or SSF
and then they can see how many people actually enjoy it
halcyon cosmos
because its too much effort
they should have just rolled back the changes to loot and just restarted the league
and gave out like free cosmetics or something
obsidian pelican
No point restarting the league
cursive widget
then PoE is gonna turn into runescacpe where people fork the old game and the devs can continue working on a dying patch nobody cares about
obsidian pelican
just revert the change
halcyon cosmos
but the problem is they wont revert the changes
past badger
No please no revert i need them 3k wisdom scrolls
halcyon cosmos
we know this because of the patch since they didnt mention it
cursive widget
but the problem is they wont revert the changes
yep exactly.
It's crazy to me that they seem hell bent on NOT reverting the 95% nerf to loot.
obsidian pelican
idk dude they completely nuked harvest so crafting is so demotivating now
halcyon cosmos
they should have kept the farmvile expact of it
cursive widget
idk dude they completely nuked harvest so crafting is so demotivating now
yeah this too man. Not only did they nerf loot, they nerfed crafting.
obsidian pelican
Like bro I don't even loot maps
I just craft for my currency the first 2 weeks
you get like 1 craft a harvest
cursive widget
kinda seems to me like they are purposefully trying to make players quit
which is fucking weird
obsidian pelican
Can GGG stop trying to make all the fucking league mechanics Alva
solar grove
has anybody noticed in the lake sometimes you see kalandra in an arena and then she just flies away?
halcyon cosmos
yup
solar grove
usually I get the reflection item option
but sometimes she just leaves?
and nothing
halcyon cosmos
they mentioned that its a intended machenic
obsidian pelican
i wonder if we get to fight her
obsidian pelican
uhh ani the TL;DR version of the lake buff
halcyon cosmos
they arent
solar grove
feels like i went from like 2c loot to 4c loot
obsidian pelican
Elemental is giving like 2x the loot it did before (still bad) league mechanics in lakes are completely worthless
solar grove
i'll try a few more atleast 😒
cursive widget
I still can't believe that chris literally said they are buffing item quant/rarity so "get your MF characters ready"
like BRUH
biggest troll in history of PoE
past badger
He meant get mf going for the normal lewt we are accustomed to
200% iiq will net same results as in 3.18 no mf
narrow canyon
Yo these videos covering the Kalandra league are concerning. I was going to come back this League, but why bother if it's actually this bad?
strange harness
I mean I came back after like 1.5 years of not playing. I'm finding it enjoyable to play (currently just starting yellow maps) but getting loot is much worse for sure
I just apparently chose the shittiest league to return to lol
naive shadow
Are people still playing the new standard wipe?
narrow canyon
Like, the Rares are... Rarer... And loot is rarer on top of it, with the added challenge of Rares being stronger. Why.
strange harness
¯_(ツ)_/¯
past badger
Rares being stronger my ass
light apex
loot from rares is definitely meh but as for them being stronger - oh yea... 4archnem mod rares in t16 ...
naive shadow
I'm glad the patch notes didn't solve anything
narrow canyon
Rares being stronger my ass
Oh, so the most efficient and best farmers in the game are just... Lying.
👍 Cool. Got it.
past badger
I meant with regards to stronger as in not overly deadly
narrow canyon
Well from what one is saying, they're not really any more tanky... It's just that they typically hit too hard. Not persay the Rare it self, but minions. It just adds up.
glass totem
Anyone run any lakes yet with the buff?
lone whale
From what I've heard it's better but still not great
ivory ledge
Is 3.10.0c out? My game is still showing b?
plain lagoon
Ran one this morning, think zone level 78, some loot dropped rather than basically nothing, still not good though
rose pasture
Ok, holding lakes then still.
echo dagger
im running out of currencies XD
echo dagger
i think i need to kill 10k monsters for 2 alchs or other currencies wew
well i keep getting portal scrolls maybe the game is telling me to go home now stop killing monsters
rose pasture
but but, the loot is great! (they say)
see? too much alrdy, need nerf:
echo dagger
the none needed is too much
rose pasture
I wish 5 scraps can buy 1 chaos
plain lagoon
Heist will get you an ok amount of chaos, sadly was running it for alcs/bindings and only got 2 in like 7 heists
rose pasture
😂
plain lagoon
Can't use those chaos to reroll maps until they're rare :/
past badger
but but, the loot is great! (they say)
see? too much alrdy, need nerf:
Holy shit lol
fast current
but but, the loot is great! (they say)
see? too much alrdy, need nerf:
I've had this shit happen so many times
a few times it was a shit ton of maps or flasks
but these rare's dropping 15 of the same item is so stupid
unless its like a synthesis item
lofty sable
so the time to farm mirror with wisdom scrolls is upon us?
past badger
Aye
past spire
how hard is difficulty 9 on kalandra? its equivalent to yellow map?
rose pasture
so the time to farm mirror with wisdom scrolls is upon us?
big juice big juice comin! (c) lily
toxic olive
I did t9 expedition on kalandra and didnt felt it
ive died 2 times to some fucking rare on t2
that spawns hit scanning water elementals
halcyon cosmos
the game is in a worse state then in onslaught league
patent ridge
Yeah I don't understand the whole "rares drop more useful items" like sometimes they drop 10 rare weapons with all shit rolls
rose pasture
Every old league content..
light jay
Economy in this league is bizarre
past badger
No sharks were harmed in making those
visual umbra
Kalandra is dead on arrival. Typically just lurk here, but this is by far the worst league I've ever played.
void badge
Kalandra is dead on arrival. Typically just lurk here, but this is by far the wo...
yes
thorny pond
Thousand Ribbons is a good leveling unique lol
light jay
Kalandra is dead on arrival. Typically just lurk here, but this is by far the wo...
Even ultimatum crashes and streamer priority queue is nothing, it's little pp compared to Kalandra
vast dew
my experience as someone who just got back, after five years, is so different from the angry mass (not saying that people who are angry are wrong)
narrow canyon
xD Technical issues never stopped nobody really in PoE. Remember when handles were completely broken? Couldn't progress Labyrinth. People made do.
rocky siren
Having an issue where I can't get into some instances/maps and requires multiple tries. Anyone having this problem?
wide kayak
I'm gonna get attacked but i don't care.
I kinda like how drops currently are. (SSF)
And i think trade will also manage casuals got fu... hard but what are we gonna do.
Compare to when i started (Harbinger) it still feels like more stuff drops.
visual umbra
Top kek.
wide kayak
I've got no issues sustaining maps or map currency when a few leagues ago it was dogshit to even sustain because there was no atlas skilltree.
Issue now just is: Everyone tasted the sweet good drops from leagues before and doesn't want to adapt to less drops.
(But looking at empy situation that is fked juiced maps should still drop more than that lol)
coarse sedge
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visual umbra
You mean for the past 7 or so years? Yeah ripping out one of the best parts of poe was a solid move. And you don't even begin to go into the raw currency loss and how ggg has hamfisted "rares" over crafting currency.
coarse sedge
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narrow canyon
Issue now just is: Everyone tasted the sweet good drops from leagues before and ...
There is a video right now of doing completely juiced up 6 party member full drop bonuses highest drop rate map runs, and they were making 30C gains. Last league they were making multi exalt gains minimum, and they weren't finding really any maps in Kalandra, and almost zero uniques.
wide kayak
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I've had no issues sustaining alchs even used them for crafting this league
narrow canyon
They even did full juice and the map was FULL magic mobs. Not one rare.
wide kayak
There is a video right now of doing completely juiced up 6 party member full dro...
That's empy's group that's what i mean that situation is fked up should still drop more when you full juice
coarse sedge
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narrow canyon
Yuup
wide kayak
I meant that base drops are fine
wide kayak
One message removed from a suspended account.
Lack of communication is the biggest issue i feel.
And that the Playtesters don't catch stuff like this.
Or at least aren't the "usual" PoE player so that they don't look at that and only at how gameplay feels
visual umbra
They did, the balance team simply elected to ignore them.
wide kayak
Oh.
Would be interesting to know how the chinese players experience this atm. Seeing as them having some form of pay2win ingame
(The option to buy starter build straight from the store including leveling gear lol)
light apex
seriously ?
wide kayak
But i'm not even sure if our patches even apply to them since i think tencent manages china without ggg
light apex
i wonder what the playerbase is like
wide kayak
So they might not have gotten a Loot change at all
light apex
if its like 50 times that of normal poe then its easy to see how wilson and co. can just focus on pushing their "vision" and not care too much about backlash
visual umbra
Which is fine, they can enjoy their vision with the small minority of the player base that finds it appealing.
silent jay
did he rip?
restive basalt
I don't normally post. This post is on topic given the notes per patch as of late.
Okay so I am a somewhat average player but not the most skilled. I fear that with these drop rates I wont be able build or craft my planned build. I am not even trying anything crazy. I am playing Arc for goodness sake.
That being said if an average player cant play what is GGG catering to the top 1%?
zenith cloak
they cant get drops either
pearl iris
the top 1% is quitting as a protest 😄
sacred hill
And that the Playtesters don't catch stuff like this.
I don’t get how the play testers didn’t notice the Uber buffed “extra content” mobs in low tier maps
sacred hill
I faceroll t8 with righteous fire yet if I run into syndicate mobs or open a metamorphosis literally on t3 I get 1 shot
zenith cloak
They might put shit gear on a level 40 guy and roll through a level 40 zone
sacred hill
The drop rates I can get them fuckung up since I guess it’s hard to simulate hundreds of thousands players economy
zenith cloak
I am running Ghazzy's SRS build and shit damage and am tanky as hell and although I dont get one shot my minions drop like feinting goats which makes my character effectively useless
sacred hill
But seriously getting 1 shot by random shit that’s so below ur level of difficulty ur capable of
sacred hill
I am running Ghazzy's SRS build and shit damage and am tanky as hell and althoug...
I didn’t run minions or I would have cuz I saw no one recommended as league starter
I assumed they got needed to shit
Nerfed
Usually half the best starters are minions
zenith cloak
Minion damage is still great. Minion survivability is lol
sacred hill
Yea but that’s at least mathematically and theoretically complex
Vs
Player can face tank and 1 shot t8, but gets 1 shot by random extra content mob in t3
zenith cloak
Its like this every league...... GGG has a good idea but implements it like shit. The difference is this time it was preventable, its clear they didn't test, and they flat out lied
This is why people are more pissed than ever before
sacred hill
Yea I hate when people release shit in general and u can tell that it’s so obvious they literally did not test at all
pearl iris
My minion build is doing really well agaisnt normal enemies but having minions be resistance capped AND close to block capped means shit when they still get 1 shot by anything other than white mobs
pearl iris
The problem is i really cannot get currency/items to take them further than that :/
light apex
yeah i played since launch until this afternoon and my gear and progress is less than what it was day1 last league
zenith cloak
@pearl iris Come see me when you're fighting a unique harvest mob in a T11+
verbal bear
pretty sure that post is negative in upvotes, wonder what magic it is using to stay at 0
light apex
the loot nerf is ridiculous
restive basalt
The problem is i really cannot get currency/items to take them further than that...
I feel this
pearl iris
<@181725952668073984> Come see me when you're fighting a unique harvest mob in a...
rare harvest mob is enough to turn the fight in to "can i spawn minions faster than they die around the rare mob"
sacred hill
pretty sure that post is negative in upvotes, wonder what magic it is using to s...
I don’t think they show negatives on posts do they
Same as YouTube removing dislike button
Pussy clown world
pearl iris
Fucking minions with 31% evade chance / 69% block / 39% spell block might aswell have no defenses at all
light apex
yeah it doesnt go below zero, just tried downvoting, i wonder whats the downvote counter on that one 🙂
zenith cloak
@pearl iris the unique harvest mob literally had me laughing it was so bad. when my minions were alive its life bar literally didn't move with 7 zombies, 2 spectres, a carrion golem, and 20 srs beating on it. So I invited another necro that is absolution and we both tried. The life bar STILL didn't move
visual grotto
this league feels unrewarding and somehow stunted early. Im only in early maps but feels like im already to the grind" being boring" not really sure why but this league just doesn feel good to me
zenith cloak
The league doesn't feel good because you don't get rewarded for the work you put in. And the game doesn't give you drops needed to do shit
sacred hill
<@181725952668073984> the unique harvest mob literally had me laughing it was so...
Lol
sacred hill
Trust me ik
zenith cloak
I was like YEAH they tested this shit. Bet
pearl iris
"we tested it in PoB and it was fine on paper"
visual grotto
The league doesn't feel good because you don't get rewarded for the work you put...
I think its amplified because the previous league was fucking great and the opposite effect of drops
zenith cloak
YEP
How can they do so well then shit the bed so hard and have it not be on purpose?
pearl iris
"having absolutely best possible gear with best possible rolls made fights doable, we just didnt test if the gear was possible to be obtained outside of console commands"
fossil fulcrum
so when can we just farm maps and get profit? 3 months later?
zenith cloak
Exalts are supposed to be this big crafting option. Tell me why I have 2 characters one level 90 and one level 75 and have only dropped 2
pearl iris
aint exalt like 5-10c each? 😄
pearl iris
sounds good on paper, more access to crafting own gear
fossil fulcrum
Exalts are supposed to be this big crafting option. Tell me why I have 2 charac...
it doesnt really matter divines or ex...drop chance is the same
pearl iris
I know i would never exalt slam piece of gear in the past. this league i just might attempt stuff like that
zenith cloak
Also I need exalts to fall like rain because I gotta craft my own gear because it sure as hell aint droppin
pearl iris
I just dont see the point in wasting exalt on a potentially usable stat when i can use that exalt to buy a build defining unique...
light apex
speaking of currency drops - didnt ggg make divine drops a bit rarer? supposingly they were equal to exalt up to this league
zenith cloak
@pearl iris with 11c?
pearl iris
in the past...
fossil fulcrum
speaking of currency drops - didnt ggg make divine drops a bit rarer? supposingl...
no they are still equal afaik
zenith cloak
I also sold a poets pen for 2 divine but I digress
light apex
maybe a bit biased cause i found 4ex and 0 divines so far
zenith cloak
It really doesn't matter when the game is in the dumpster right now
light apex
tho theres the part that divines done really have divcards for them as opposed to exalts
true quarry
anyone wana help a noob out lol kinda need a mentor
fossil fulcrum
maybe a bit biased cause i found 4ex and 0 divines so far
you need to find 2k of both combined to know approximate chances at least, but with current droprate itll be in 2026
zenith cloak
Im not normally a doomer but I can't lie about it this time no rose colored glasses
zenith cloak
I mean that "what we're working on" from GGG was like they pissed on all our faces
totally out of touch
brisk turret
Damn, left the game during the nerf league, but it looks like the game is in a terrible state rn
zenith cloak
Honestly the future of GGG relies on how they patch this
restive basalt
As a person that not only plays Avidly but also supported them over the years I have played. I am about fed up with these people finding an awesome medium and then shitting on it. It's like they are behaving like children.
light apex
thats what happens when bex is on vacation - noone there to suggarcoat the messages from wilson and co.
zenith cloak
On paper the idea of getting fewer drops than the previous league but having those drops be more influential looks good on paper. Also the idea of having uniques drop less often but having them be more meaningful as well but as usual GGG fumbled the ball and should have already known about it
elfin warren
guys, what's going on w price of chaos/exalts ?
it started dropping like crazy this league?
zenith cloak
divine orb = the new exalt
restive basalt
guys, what's going on w price of chaos/exalts ?
it started dropping like crazy ...
Drop rates have been nerfed into oblivion and they made high currency including Divines more rare.
quiet moss
Maybe it's just a social experiment... nervous laughter "it's just a prank bro"
elfin warren
Drop rates have been nerfed into oblivion and they made high currency including ...
interesting... it's summer here, and i cant see some nice reviews on Kalandra, i'll probably skip this league 😦
zenith cloak
The thing is PoE players are VERY loyal but......... When you openly shit on them and lie about it. Well.....
ornate shuttle
lol, I thought it was 50/50 or 2 to 3 on 5-mod items
visual grotto
interesting... it's summer here, and i cant see some nice reviews on Kalandra, i...
its not gbreat so far
at the least its boring
zenith cloak
thats the best mirrored item Ive seen. All mine are absolute dogshit
ornate shuttle
yeah the lake seems more enjoyable after the patch
zenith cloak
I didn't know the patch happened.... Ive been playing and still no drops
ornate shuttle
but I'm pleasantly surprised it can go 4/2 (4/1)
it would be bonkers if it actually could do all 6 mods
visual grotto
im thining im gonna wait a week or so before i seroulsy play again see if they fix anything
ill probably pop on for a few minutes here and there but ugh
ornate shuttle
yeah I'm just hanging out there, hunting cheap items on live search, not really farming
zenith cloak
btw those green balls of chaos death are a BIT overdone just sayin
ornate shuttle
+1
visual grotto
my fucking spectres and zombies keep dying.. im a minon life srs build.. they sould be invincible... kinda frustrating on that front too
zenith cloak
unfaithful Im in the same boat sir
which is why I made a conduit character
at least I can control when I die
(kind of)
mild ingot
why do they keep nerfing minions every league?
visual grotto
which is why I made a conduit character
i havnt even finished my uber lab yet, ive never relolled this fast but i was thinking about it. Probably something stupid like EQ jug or slayer/ champ cyclone. Cause if im gonna die might as well be a fun build
and i assume like 2 other people are using eq lol
zenith cloak
I rolled a elementalist conduit yesterday and am level 75 now
visual grotto
why do they keep nerfing minions every league?
they used to be op af but i think they are in a good place till now
visual grotto
I rolled a elementalist conduit yesterday and am level 75 now
ive got jack shit for money i couldnt even get leveling items yet but still might be easier
zenith cloak
minions would be fine now and in a very good place if their survivability wasn't trash. If you can't keep your minion alive you can't play the game
visual grotto
srs seems liek ti does a shit load of early dps but i die from farts
mild ingot
srs is just selfcast with extra steps
visual grotto
my minions keep getting blasted down in big mobs by bad mods then im dead
zenith cloak
SRS is good damage but absolution is better.
visual grotto
SRS is good damage but absolution is better.
yeah i just wanted to play srs, hasnt been good enough for a long time without huge investment
but apparently it stil isnt
zenith cloak
I mean I was in red maps on a 4l and still kicking ass with srs
but the problem is you run into mobs quite often that will just wipe out all your minions
And I dont dare use AG
visual grotto
I mean I was in red maps on a 4l and still kicking ass with srs
thats been my experience just getting into yellows
this is the first league im ring to play 3 different games
so im not in reds cause i only played like 15 to 25 hours at this point
im no speed runner
quaint umbra
slowmode 15 mins for #1┃general?
zenith cloak
Id assume melee is trash this league
visual grotto
melee has been trash for several
since at least archnemesis you get randomly 1 shot
kpretty sure i quit arch after my like 7th build getting 1 shot by trash mobs with huge armour max block and like 7k hp. Not that arch was bad , i loved it. But the rng feelinjg of deaths makes the game feel bad
pearl iris
I can see it having about 121515435154135billion hp
Also 95% resistance to every form of dmg
zenith cloak
I fought a 7 essence I think In lake
had to leave
Oh I dont die to it
Im just sayin its excessive
like 8 balls at once
mild ingot
still not as bad as magma shield
zenith cloak
😉
grizzled pecan
Anyone else still playing despite the bomb dropped today?
zenith cloak
@unkempt lodge you mean GGG not fixing anything?
silent cobalt
Haven't yet.... Ps4
bold sundial
WHAT ARE THOSE 1K EXP % INCREASE GAIN ISLANDS
only good thing of the league 
bold sundial
just spec into Torment/Rogue Exiles, sure you'll die 5x per map, but there's actually some loot
silent cobalt
Rogues is fun, ok
bold sundial
yes, but they gained 400% hp last patch and they hurt with spirits on them
silent cobalt
yes, but they gained 400% hp last patch and they hurt with spirits on them
So i'll see depending on my survivability i guess :/
bold sundial
also my secret strat is the Tormented Spirits memory thing
quiet moss
bold sundial
it's pretty rippy but I got more uniques in 3 maps than in my entire league, and I have >100 map completion
silent cobalt
Memory thing?
bold sundial
yep
the torment spirit one
rares get possessed by 2-4 spirits and it drops
especially if you pop a legion or smth, all rares get ghosted
Atlas memory
silent cobalt
Oh i didn't even know you could double torment a mob
silent cobalt
Ah it's in coop you mean?
bold sundial
I've tested with the new updated Fairgraves tricorne
you can grt possessed by tormented spirits
but only by 1 😦
silent cobalt
I'll check this, thanks for the tip
silent cobalt
😅 i'll start by less lol
silent cobalt
You're already further than i've ever been in the game 🤣
somber rock
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/670728065059651597/1011440683275522138/...
What build can handle this
scarlet lintel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/670728065059651597/1011440683275522138/...
2 less
bold sundial
I had an opulent red beast with quad ghosted, couldnt get near and got onetapped
high blaze
xd?
bold sundial
What build can handle this
no clue, I just hope I have enough damage, or cheese with my mines using the walls haha
silent cobalt
So loot is not that bad, if you're a beast! 😅 And don't compare to other leagues i guess
bold sundial
yeah, lets not compare to other leagues
but compared to current league, its way more loot
silent cobalt
Yeah i understood this just reading redit before ahah
bold sundial
and if you get lucky with rare archnem mod that converts, they drop a ton of rares that gets converted thanks to ghosts
bold sundial
no
I've got innocence touched giving me a winged harbinger scarab in white maps
8c
silent cobalt
Oh ok, cool
I may wasn't lucky last league
Just about arch'em mods, i had currencies ^^
bold sundial
yeah I had to buy binding orbs/vaal orbs to progress
and I'm running out of the 120 carto I got from a synth map
restive basalt
I have played since Betrayal league helped build a big guild with 3 GM 17 officers and 84 members. Today I logout and I won't be back until this game fixed and worth my time. I am here for my guild but not for GGG.
silent cobalt
Ouch, i never bought vaals i think
bold sundial
I had 3 vaals going into red maps haha
bold sundial
I would say in red maps there's about 50% less loot tbh
at start it's actually a challenge if you're not buying currency haha
silent cobalt
Hard to even alch i've read, sad
bold sundial
I didn't have enough alchs/chance to buy maps from Kirac, and was id'ing rare items to get alts to roll my cluster
silent cobalt
Ahah
light apex
yeah tl:dr of kalandra league is - pain in all aspects of the game
silent cobalt
So if you play ssf most of guys may stop playing after kitava 🤣
light apex
im still running a few gear pieces i got in act 10 in red maps 🙂
cause i cant afford upgrades and cant craft them (rip harvest)
bold sundial
im still running a few gear pieces i got in act 10 in red maps 🙂
I had ilvl 13 magic boots in early white maps
silent cobalt
Ahah, good job surviving until there so
light apex
oh yeah in whites it was rough... quil rain carried me a bit 🙂
silent cobalt
Definitly a new vision of the game
light apex
4 link EA tho not impressive vs the new rares
bold sundial
got lucky and dropped 11 6-link from a rare monster in yellow maps, funded my entire current build
light apex
Definitly a new vision of the game
no actually a pretty old vision from wilson, he wants to turn poe into d2
silent cobalt
Really weird, maybe people starting to play now would enjoy? 🤔
Not knowing they are playing the pain-in-ass league lol
bold sundial
I guess
bold sundial
👍
silent cobalt
Hoping i'll enjoy too!
bold sundial
you probably will, at least until yellow maps
silent cobalt
Ahah yes
bold sundial
acts are the same, it's mostly just maps
bold sundial
hey they had 15% ms and crafted res
grave blade
visual grotto
are ex really only 10/1
silent cobalt
3% more rarity on items!! Next next update soon!!
wide kayak
are ex really only 10/1
And this is only the beginning
bold sundial
they were 8c when I sold the 2 I dropped 😦
wide kayak
Wait till 1ex = 1alch
and 1 alch = 5c 😆
silent cobalt
Finally i'll craft with ex! 😅
silent cobalt
Ahah
wide kayak
slamming stun recovery isnt fun
But that stat is good!
You are stunned for a shorter duration. 😆
bold sundial
if I get stunned I definitely get killed in the next 0.3s, my char is paper because no armor haha
wide kayak
if I get stunned I definitely get killed in the next 0.3s, my char is paper beca...
The positive thing with that is.. if you would have been stunned for 0.3 sec and now it's 0.2 sec instead you survive!
silent cobalt
👋 see you and good luck even if luck was nerfed !
bold sundial
The positive thing with that is.. if you would have been stunned for 0.3 sec and...
instead I die from bleed instead of a hit 🙂
scarlet lintel
willow hornet
where mah bird lore at bois
scarlet lintel
honest ivy
i guess it left a forbidden taste in your mouth huh
scarlet lintel
I feel like I'm about to do a mistake
edgy pagoda
the mistake was the freinds we made along the way
zenith cloak
I love how one of GGG's big selling points for this league was all these revamped uniques but the only ones worth a shit are so heavily weighted you never see them so you only get the same bullshit drops over and over as always
that is when you get a drop
sly vale
I've had more empty strongboxes than strongboxes containing even shit loot, lol
shadow vale
all the uniques stil dog
edgy pagoda
i've been farming ossuary for the last hour now and still don't have any alchs yet
scarlet lintel
Someone crack my leg
iron fern
warm sierra
Only place I've been able to get currency is heists
warm sierra
And I'm always out of alchs
sly vale
Yea heists seem normal
shadow vale
im watching gamer of life and some of these clips bruh
people getting 3-4 levels from a single kalandra island
the only good thing
iron fern
people getting 3-4 levels from a single kalandra island
ye
sly vale
Last time so many people got mad was like, runescape
shadow vale
runescape??
sly vale
eoc
shadow vale
u mean back
edgy pagoda
finally got a alch >rolled a map > it has ele reflect
edgy pagoda
i just used a chaos on a map
shadow vale
fr dude
warm sierra
It just feels so shit
In everything but heists
And as much as I like heists, I wanna spice it up with other content
zenith cloak
Here's the thing. Every league since announcing PoE2 has been a look into the future of that game and GGG aren't doing themselves any favors with this league
So it would be in their best interest to listen to their fanbase
We saw what happens (blizzard) when a company doesn't
zenith cloak
just know you're getting the same amount of loot there
edgy pagoda
i got one regret and 2 chroms from the only map i get to run for another hour 😄
edgy pagoda
i was hoping for a t4 map
i'm legit stuck on t3 cause i can't get maps or currency to run maps
edgy pagoda
did the missions i had already before i realised i was out of currency
geuss i could reset my tree and go for the kirac mission a day node
past spire
i saw kalandra in the lake, she said " Wisdom and patience walk as one. " then disappeared, did it happened to you ? what a bitch
fossil fulcrum
im curious about how new players would rate this game, cause i doubt they even know that you need atlas +map tier node clasters to progress on atlas on start and are still stuck on t3 maps
+amazing loot explosions of town scrolls
edgy pagoda
didn't chris say they don't really get new players just returning ones at this point?
past spire
every league i try to bring a new friend and they usually stop before maps, game is too difficult between sockets colors, stats requirements , monster oneshotting etc
(and they all died to act 1 rhoas , no exception, me included 🤣 )
fossil fulcrum
every league i try to bring a new friend and they usually stop before maps, game...
yep, and all this loot destruction+atlas nodes make it only 100x worse for them to get into the game
olive bear
Is heist suffering at all from the drop rate nerf or is that only maps and other league mechanics?
past spire
they nerfed quant % so chests are not affected
edgy pagoda
drop rate is still trash in heist but chest are untouched
fossil fulcrum
heard heist did suffer but still ok
olive bear
I'm wondering if I should try heist or just not play until they release a patch to fix the loot lol
austere whale
thanks expedition
slim solar
I just set atlas to heist and expedition
fossil fulcrum
I just set atlas to heist and expedition
haha i just couldnt get myself to do either of those cause i dont like them, so i uninstalled
slim solar
haha i just couldnt get myself to do either of those cause i dont like them, so ...
true, I am not really fixated on PoE during this 3 days... so I maybe gonna play D3 Season on Friday
past spire
i never really tried heist , i like alch and go map , i will give it a try
fossil fulcrum
yep same, made a speedy mapper cause though kalandra will be mf speedfarming league according to the new mechanic
and oh well its the most useless build now
past spire
speedy farming armourer scrap now
fossil fulcrum
basically
past spire
i am in t5 maps atm becuase i suck at the game but i really want more chromatic or such so i can try my 6l bow 😦
brave panther
Yeah, I’m leveling an aura bot with a buddy of mine and we’re enjoying it, but I straight up told another friend of mine that I wouldn’t play until they walk some changes back as they’d never played before and trying to get them to understand how gear works when they’re not really getting gear is a task I don’t wanna undertake
past spire
even map sustain is difficult
fossil fulcrum
even map sustain is difficult
you need optimized atlas passives to do so, farmers said its pretty hard now
fading lynx
This is what no competition looks like
fossil fulcrum
but it shouldnt be hard to sustain maps in general with all passives, but sustaining 1 certain map...i dont think its easy now
empy clip was on point on this 6 man juiced deli map dropped ONE red map in total
brave panther
Yeah, I’m generally a pleb in this game; only really reached red map on like 2 characters across a bunch of leagues but I still enjoy it. Watching that video was very eye opening as to the impact the changes made
fossil fulcrum
Yeah, I’m generally a pleb in this game; only really reached red map on like 2 c...
you should feel it too as more casual player, those changes affected everyone, the economy is also really werid
brave panther
Oh no, I’m absolutely feeling it
Even my bone shatter build from last league was in high yellow maps around this time, and I’ve only gotten ~3 yellows to drop for my lightning conduit
Let alone gear, I haven’t really found any good gear at all
fossil fulcrum
tbh i think the casual players are the one's affected the most, rich players will always be rich, but with absence of good crafts or big party farmers the baseline items that casual player could afford before for cheap and be pretty strong should drop significantly
cedar nacelle
anyone got a guild i can join?
brave panther
That’s something I think is going to become more and more apparent as the league goes on the longer this loot change isn’t reverted; I didn’t realize just how impactful those 6 man juicers were on the item and currency economy.
There’s straight up items I would easily be able to find on trade just nonexistent right now (not that I’d be able to afford them)
drowsy epoch
thank god i stopped playing HC. cant imagine how bad that market is
fossil fulcrum
there will be way less rare uniques and good crafts
drowsy epoch
facts
fossil fulcrum
not rly, people could still get decent gear/uniques, but ofc u cant compare it to sc
but ye i personally dont see a point playing trade hc, unless you are playing with friends
brave panther
I just personally can’t put myself in the shoes of “group juicers were bad for the game, game should be slower and more difficult”; I don’t play these games to go slow and to get loot on a trickling drip feed; I wanna go fast and see loot explode and currently I’m only going fast lol
sly vale
drip marketing
fossil fulcrum
ye the absence of big groups juice and crafting limited options will cause a really bad economy
edgy pagoda
you know what they should have done? waited tell they were fucking done fixing it before nerfing everything to the ground
ok so they want us to craft and make gear threw non deterministic crafting right?
then why do they encourage that at the same time they nerf global drop rates?
why increase mob power at the exact same time as nerfing character effective strength without any other way of making up for it?
i know that is what i said
fossil fulcrum
you know what they should have done? waited tell they were fucking done fixing i...
i actually agree, they nerfed 2 main sources of gear at the same time...what happened to "we will make small steps" change one thing at a time
edgy pagoda
but we NEED CURRENCY in order to craft the way they want us to
so they gutted 95% of the drops while telling us to use the drops cause they removed the alternative
adapting m8
fossil fulcrum
i switched to playing pob, after 2 years break finding cool interactions and making build planners is way more fun than doing maps now
edgy pagoda
adapt is play heist cause it was the only thing not nerfed
fossil fulcrum
ye heist or early essence farm or expedition+boss carry services, i dont know any other income now
edgy pagoda
i play ssf so it is even more unplayable
and that is on me and i know that
but it just makes the flaws more glaring
fossil fulcrum
i play ssf so it is even more unplayable
im surprised ben_ made to t16 with actually ok gear on ssfhc now, maybe e just got lucky
brave panther
The problem with the idea that you haven’t lost 95% is that group juicers directly lost 97.88% of their loot per hour (calculated from last league and this league); if a 6 man running expensive maps can only make 39c per hour, how am I as a casual solo player supposed to ever get the currency to make meaningful crafts? Because the answer is I can’t.
I’m literally out of chromatics, I can’t even color the sockets for the gear I have lol
fossil fulcrum
The problem with the idea that you haven’t lost 95% is that group juicers direct...
the new kalandra drops are better, so ggg wants you to run through 4-5 maps with 0loot to get 1 kalandra map that droppes around same loot as in previous leagues 🤡
edgy pagoda
ah yes that i'm suposed to running with gear that doesn't drop
brave panther
You’re missing the point completely; if a 6 man who are juicing their maps aren’t getting meaningful drops, then that means I am not getting meaningful drops because I’m not able to juice my maps like they are. Like if they’re only getting 39c per hour and their maps cost 227c, I won’t be making that at all
edgy pagoda
and that i can't craft
brave panther
I won’t even get a fraction of that if they aren’t
fossil fulcrum
ye solo players are lucky to make 1 c profit off the map now
brave panther
Explain to me how I’m not understanding, cause it seems to me if a group cannot get good stuff out of a juiced map, why is it then my ignorance to extrapolate that I’m not going to get anything out of my non juiced maps as a solo player
brave panther
It isn’t just profit though; I can’t craft my own items if the currency isn’t dropping to counteract the fact that loot drop rates have been nerfed into the ground
quick quarry
The big juicers just show the problem in a very obvious way since they can show what amounts to hours of juicing for a casual in 10 minutes. Make no mistake, unless you're farming heist, expedition, ritual, blight, or altars, you will be getting less drops in every other league mechanic.
edgy pagoda
let me just run 100 t16 maps on harvest to craft gear so i can run t5
brave panther
Like I said, I don’t have any chromatics. I can’t even color my sockets. How do you expect me to craft gear using chaos and exalts and divines when I don’t even have basic currencies because they’re not dropping.
fossil fulcrum
Explain to me how I’m not understanding, cause it seems to me if a group cannot ...
he basically said that the way those juicers were making currency before is due to several league mechanics that multiplied each other, so with nerfs they got nerfed 1000x more times than you got nerfed. But in this case its irrelivant cause with such nerfs no one gets anything
yee that change came out of nowhere(divine>ex)
it made economy way worse imo
and i dont understand their reasons about it
brave panther
Tbf all of them did, since they didn’t list them in the patch notes lol.
Well, not “all”, but you get the drift**
edgy pagoda
and i dont understand their reasons about it
"we want to"-ggg
there wasn't a real reason they just wanted to
fossil fulcrum
i think divines were in a niche spot before
edgy pagoda
like i said REAL reason that is crap
quick quarry
Their reasons are they want you to play longer. Nerfing loot is just the most direct way to slow players down. Or they are preparing for POE2
brave panther
Don’t get me wrong, I’m completely fine with reworking drop rates and slowing the game down by making good gear less common, but as someone else said above, to nerf loot drops and currency drops at the same time is just so not the fix.
Now, good loot isn’t really dropping, and you’re not getting as much currency as you need to actually craft yourself good gear. It’s a two pronged problem,
quick quarry
They didn't think people would figure it out so quickly which is a massive underestimation.
brave panther
Plus for the fact they didn’t announce these changes at all, lol. That’s honestly a big point of contention for me personally
edgy pagoda
i'm sorry i didn't feal like writing about how only a fraction of builds use timeless jewels and that swaping around random ones into jewel slots wasn't real gameplay they should be doing major balancing changes around
thought it was kinda painfully fucking obvious
edgy pagoda
Plus for the fact they didn’t announce these changes at all, lol. That’s honestl...
they did the release video with diffrent harvest crafts to
brave panther
Did they really? Lmfao
quick quarry
It's intentional they didn't tell us. They knew it would be a horrible thing to tell your players that they nerfed loot across the board.
edgy pagoda
yep they had the better version of reforge in the video
brave panther
That’s insane lmfao.
And yeah, the omission of the changes was deliberate. I only hope that (if)when they walk it back, they do a full reversion instead of just bringing the value back up a little bit.
edgy pagoda
oh can't forget there argument for why strong boxes drop less loot is that they nerfed...mob loot
cold flax
3 cartographers strongboxes in the lake, ilvl 83 - they all drop t1 maps
fossil fulcrum
oh can't forget there argument for why strong boxes drop less loot is that they ...
im 100% convinced its a bug
cold flax
what the fuck is this
scarlet lintel
GGG balance devs rn:
fossil fulcrum
cause they literally dont drop anything at all sometimes which is alarming
edgy pagoda
nah they are just using salesman talk for "we nerfed everything go fuck yourself"
quick quarry
im 100% convinced its a bug
It's not. Strongboxes are a league mechanic and scale with map/player quant. So that historic bonus removal applies to strongboxes as well
half plinth
For the first time ever, I don’t feel like playing PoE today lmfao
edgy pagoda
hey misha i swear i recognize your animated backround but i can't remeber what it is from?
edgy pagoda
For the first time ever, I don’t feel like playing PoE today lmfao
new d3 league hits in 3 days
fossil fulcrum
hey misha i swear i recognize your animated backround but i can't remeber what i...
oh i dont know myself, just found on the inet 😅
brave panther
cause they literally dont drop anything at all sometimes which is alarming
I’ve wondered if it was just my semi strict kicking in, but I’ve noticed that I don’t even see items physically fall to the floor sometimes lmfao
edgy pagoda
oof
fossil fulcrum
I’ve wondered if it was just my semi strict kicking in, but I’ve noticed that I ...
you can turn off loot fliter completely in this league
wouldnt change much
edgy pagoda
i mean i keep mine on just for highlighting chroma recipes
buoyant raptor
I hope PoE will get a competition soon. Dev team need to wake up 😦
brave panther
i mean i keep mine on just for highlighting chroma recipes
Big ups on this one tbh
brave panther
I should’ve snagged Grim Dawn and all it’s dlc when it was on sale for $30 a couple weeks ago, 😦
buoyant raptor
As I heard LE's endgame need to be reworked
edgy pagoda
yea LE is on its way to being good. it aint there yet
buoyant raptor
But I still dont understand the logic behind all this mess. Did they think it will go as the same, nobody will notice or what the fuck? 🤣
edgy pagoda
they just wanted people to buy mtx before noticing
fossil fulcrum
idk i played le since launch and i like it as it is now, there is considerate amount of farming needed and there are chase items that are possible to get with effort
but ye some things need some tweeking
edgy pagoda
yea the le legendary system is cool as fuck
fossil fulcrum
but its mostly cause i love arena
ig if you arent arena player the game is way duller for you
edgy pagoda
i just wish there was more skills tbh
but i doubt that will happen. so more uniques to effect more skills
fossil fulcrum
i just wish there was more skills tbh
thats because not all classes are released, but imo the current skill system is very solid
edgy pagoda
can't even play a full summoner atm without also playing basicly srs
fossil fulcrum
flame wraith is the most op summoner build rn, not sure what do you mean by srs analogue 🤔
edgy pagoda
constantly spam summons
fossil fulcrum
oh ye