tooldev-general

[worthy cape]

I tried asciidoc out for some notes on the current project, kind of weird but seems good.

[grave wren]

I found it weird at first too but its integrations are amazing with in doc diagrams

[frank kayak]

yeah its annoying that it split up

is that asciidoc supported for github and gitlab readmes?

[grave wren]

Gitlab yes GitHub unsure

Gitlab even supports rendering in text diagrams via mermaidjs and others

https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/asciidoc.html

Has a good overview

[frank kayak]

i did know about mermaid in markdown

[grave wren]

are there any good strats for user configurable content - e.g. customizing a hotkey tool or output for a bot? I always struggle with coming up with things usable by normal non devs

[golden bane]

Config file with arcane syntax. Document it well (aka only you understand it) and blame the users if it doesn't work /s

Oops that was a common strat, not a good one

[grave wren]

config in brainfuck you say?

😄

[golden bane]

The sky's the limit

Jokes aside, I'd still go with config files, just because it's so damn simple

[grave wren]

wonder if i should just make a companion webapp that makes the config

but i guess making it in the first place would be smart

but we wouldnt want that for hobby projects

[sharp wave]

how does one retrieve items info using ahk?

I tried send ^c but it doesnt work

[civic crane]

have you added a bit of sleep before reading from clipboard, because poe has to read input from windows event queue and obviosly it does on next frame not immeadiatly

[sharp wave]

I added sleep before and after and now it works thx

[empty venture]

Anyone got some experience with privacy/cookies policies? Do I have to put those on my websites? Do you know any good generators/templates for those?

[long sky]

What's your website?

I work in marketing ops so have to deal with a lot of tracking related stuff

[empty venture]

I don't think I'll have any tracking/cookies except for authentication (unless some library uses anything behind the scenes)

[long sky]

If you have no tracking or ads you can likely get away without any sort of cookie policy without any real problem

you'll want a privacy policy if you're collecting data though, particularly anything sensitive like email address

[empty venture]

well, I'm storing email addresses for authentication

also got "login with google/facebook", I think they require you to have a privacy policy

[long sky]

Yeah in that case you'll want something basic in place that explains what personal data you're collecting and what it's being used for

you should also double check you're not also deploying FB/Google tracking on your site inadvertently by using their login tools

[ivory echo]

any javascirpt people here?

is there something small and lighter weight than electron to build desktop applications? I'm a C++/java/rust dev., so not sure. Is there anythign on the edge 0of replacing react or electron?

[grizzled seal]

@ivory echo https://github.com/sudhakar3697/electron-alternatives seems like a decent list, can't speak for any of them myself though

[ivory echo]

I don't know much about ithat area and the list if quite large.

[golden bane]

Tauri is a Rust framework that runs applications on top of the system browser https://tauri.studio/en/

[worthy cape]

This thread and the one it links are kind of neat on that they cover why it's often a good reason to use something self-contained like Electron rather than the system browser components: https://twitter.com/nornagon/status/1443819600919990275

Jeremy Rose 🌹 (@nornagon)

Good thread about Electron. I think the memory usage stuff misses the mark though—the complexity of the browser makes it difficult to correctly analyze memory impact. https://t.co/XU436P4ySp

Twitter · Oct 1, 2021, 6:06 AM

In short, the system is at a different update cadence than you may like, and apparently in the macOS world, extremely stale.

[golden bane]

I'd also just use Electron, but if you want something else, Tauri is a good choice

[worthy cape]

I for one like that Electron, regardless of the bloat and superiority that smug people feel, has enabled meaningful programs on platforms I care about.

[ivory echo]

tauri look great, but having to do GUI stuff in it or anything with fluid requirements sounds painful. The choice against electron is because i wanted something newer that has a longer shelf life.

ithe app will have some performance problems i know of, but i don't think those will be made any worse with electron since they arent display oriented - it will be doign a lot of graph tracing (eg, walking the passive tree a whoooole lot

I despise rust's growing body of non-mutable messages passing systems. unnecessarily slow nd complex. doing graph theorwetic problem sin rust is apain in the ass. done if before. the ownership models really hates it and allt thes olutions are basicalky a repimplementaiton of pointers.

we did a graph lib in rust but it wasn't looked well upon because of its heavy use of unsafe.

[worthy cape]

Self-referring data structures \o/

For pretty much all the Advent of Code algorithms I devised I ended up with the big old numeric indices for vertices and edges.

[ivory echo]

poiters by anotjher name

I had the biggest argument with one of the rust guys year ago over that. that is was essenially an anti-rust patterrn

[worthy cape]

Rust's guidance towards a particular type of structure and code is great if your problem can be recast into what it wants you to write.
It's less great when you can't and have to argue with all the peeps that hard-assume you're doing it wrong.

[ivory echo]

reading the arch page, and ... how to ask this even

do you write in rust or js?

[worthy cape]

What page?

[ivory echo]

i thougth our graph libary was pretty good too.

https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/blob/dev/ARCHITECTURE.md

definitelly faster and better than teh one everybody used at tthe tiem

[worthy cape]

Ah, that kind of "you" 🙂

[ivory echo]

soryr i meant would i write in rust or js?

kind of

would a dev using tauri write in rust or js

basicaly i was going to use JS bcause there will be an interface.

and js is fast for a non c-like langauge

I looked at ProtonNative too.

[worthy cape]

Seems like a mix but it appears that much of the core logic may be in Rust if you look at something like https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/tree/dev/examples/api

Oh shoot, meeting time.

[ivory echo]

k thx later

[grave wren]

I just used tkinter for my d2r macro was easy enough

[frank drift]

I doubt much of anything has a "longer shelf life" than electron, unless you can see the future

[golden bane]

I've implemented a tree structure in Rust recently, and the common response to how to implement that was to use an arena allocator. Where did you get that that's an antipattern?

[ivory echo]

my veiw - and i dont know how others donew see thsi - is that indexes are just hiddden pointers.

and i wa sreferring to heterogenous pools of cycic strctures

a cyclic tree owul dbe one exampe

the ownership and copyign kills perfomrane

when you have to use the extra indirection

[golden bane]

Indices are more safe than pointers, since there are bounds checks if that compiler can't prove in-bounds usage

[ivory echo]

marignaly safer yet, but you can't leave the bounds checking on most often on these tpes of structs like you can when runnign an array

pointers can have the same thing too if you use a debug memory libaryr

overall indexes are a litle safer, but they also iintroduce some other issues like indexing itno the wrong arena. Ive seen a couple libraries that try to get the ocmpiler to carry around compile time only type info to repvent this, but none of them were zero cost.

i have big goals for rust.

ive had them for about 4 or 5 year now thoguh. i just hope they get oer some of these humps

it took c++ until 07? to get over a lot of its issues

[golden bane]

I don't mind that you have to write some data structures differently in Rust. When I learn a new language, I try not to bring with me some preconception of "how it's supposed to be"

[ivory echo]

@golden bane how did you resize the arena?

tha was another pain point

[golden bane]

I didn't have to yet

In fact, I didn't need to remove any nodes at all. That makes everything much easier of course

[ivory echo]

There is just no "rust" way of doing those. The old rust way was to just use unsasfe, but now if you use it ppl trash your library, downvote it, etc.

i have no prolems wtih unsafe if it is used well

[golden bane]

We'll, there is the "I know better than the compiler" unsafe and there's the "I want to trade safety for performance" unsafe

[ivory echo]

thats actually exactly what i was referring to

[golden bane]

But as Rust gets more popular, people seem to make that distinction less and less

[ivory echo]

it had a huge influx of JS ppl abotu 4 years ago, and i have no idea why

many wanted to recrate their ecosystems

the would have liked the pre-1.0 rust better

[golden bane]

WASM and slow tooling imho

[ivory echo]

the one with gc and everyrthing

pre-1.0 rust had a gc and a lot of other features that got tossed

[golden bane]

If you want an easier to learn language that Rust that maybe has a GC, Nim could be a good fit. Although I don't know how stable/reliable that is yet

[ivory echo]

im good with rust. im better with c++ and java, but my rust is acceptagble.

i do a lot of low level and much higher level "strategu" code, but the low-level is where i started -user space tcp/udp stacks, hardware speciifc code,etc.

[golden bane]

Sounds fun

[ivory echo]

i think it i used rust daily like i use c++, i woudl be better at rust than c++. maybe

hard to say. rust's size and sometimes "automagic" compiler are difficult for me to reason about sometimes, but I can tell you waht a c++ compiler will most likely do just from school and digging through asm to see wtf happened

[golden bane]

Godbolt is great of you want to compare different approaches to a problem and what assembly gets emitted

[ivory echo]

i love that thing

so useful

the compare is reallty good when trying to see why one version runs slower/faster/;

[golden bane]

I come from Python and if you want performance, it's good to know what's in C and what's not, where the fast paths are, etc. So I don't mind writing Rust that way too

[ivory echo]

i used to write python trading straegies at a place that employed a big python contributor.

we tried eveyrhing under the sun

best we came across was still even after dev stoped - psyco with a limited python subset

this was when pypy was just getting started asnd was terrible

[golden bane]

Now I'm just going PyO3 bindings to Rust in my new project

[ivory echo]

oh god yo uhave to deal with that? so sorry.

pyton-c interface is horrible

[golden bane]

Idk, I don't have to deal with it much if at all

[ivory echo]

i used ot make a smaller veriosn and use a code genreator to get me stub that I would thenjust hack on and check in

i still use pyton

last place ias at i mde a bunch of cgi scripts (i dont do front end very well) in pyton. ppl laughted but tuned out ot be a god send when we sold

[golden bane]

I write some Rust code, throw some annotations/PyO3 specific types on it, run maturin develop, and am able to just import the module in my Python code

[ivory echo]

my web dev tech was stuck in the 90s. so rthe web guy there showed me how to get react up and running

thanks for the chat. got to get doign. friend dropped off 4 occulus sets and asked me to see why they werent working for him. he's kind of tech illiterate .

so am i mostly, just slightly less illiterate than him.

[golden bane]

Yeah, was nice talking to you. Hopefully you'll be able to fix them!

[ivory echo]

im guessing just somethign dumb

all 4 dont break

later

[broken egret]

Does anyone know if poe ninja Ultimatum economy data is available somewhere? I don't see it on the data dump page, but poe antiquary seems to have it

[ivory echo]

i was looking but didnt see anyting. I was trying to figure out how the prices were deriived.

[frank kayak]

...time to change the twitch password

[velvet fog]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/q2gcq2/

[simple ravine]

a reminder to replace passwords with random generated ones, that's for sure

I'm pretty bad at that myself, because password manager UX is somewhat bad still, especially on mobile

[long sky]

I use 1password on iOS and it's genuinely pretty solid, particularly now that Safari supports browser extensions

[simple ravine]

yeah I mean, password manager support on Android is pretty solid as well

it's just annoying

[frank drift]

Bitwarden is a good cross platform password manager

Lastpass sucks since it got bought from logmein or whatever it was

[simple ravine]

I used Lastpass, and did not notice any dramatic changes in functionality after the acquisition

I did change because I wanted better bang for the buck, and Bitwarden being developed in the open, feels pretty good since it's peer reviewed

[grave wren]

its just shit that you trust a random provider with your store again

[simple ravine]

oh lawd, this dump has all their terraform stuff in there

[grave wren]

obligatory is this open source meme

[frank kayak]

i guess the sauce is now open but not free/libre

oh no longer about twitch

[simple ravine]

my comment on terraform was about the twitch dump

i stumbled upon it and had a peek

[frank kayak]

oh

building a new computer and have now most of the stuff together except for the board and case. website of the trader said 2-4 days for delivery - getting now the message that its not even in their warehouse...

hope the trader wasnt a "Griff ins Klo" (bad choice)

ill see it next week...

[golden bane]

Did you check Geizhals for reviews?

[frank kayak]

i did find bad reviews for the trader after i bought it - mightve been the one i had bad experience with a few years ago - cant remember

for some parts i did compare on geizhals but for most just pcpartspicker

will be this here: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LKCyJf - cpu and gpu was already there, gpu is the version with 4GB, PSU with 650W

[golden bane]

Why though? Geizhals is so so good, better make use of it if you can

[frank kayak]

forgot to compare traders :/ - in most cases i just chose amazon

this trader was the last of 3 choices for that case - amazon wouldve delivered in december, mindfactory doesnt deliver here...

did choose quiet parts hope its worth it 🙂

[golden bane]

Why not one of the usual case brands, be quiet! or Fractal Design?

[simple ravine]

Is 1920X the previous version or the current?

[frank kayak]

i do have a Define R5 for my NAS and very happy with it - but i wanted to save a bit and this one did have good reviews

[frank kayak]

first gen 😛

[golden bane]

Yeah, why Threadripper at all? Do you need the extra lanes? There are also 12/16 core CPUs for AM4

[frank kayak]

it did sleep in the bookshelf during the pandemic - finishing the build now

i wanted cores

[simple ravine]

ah ok, so you already have the CPU since before

[frank kayak]

and the gpu is my old one that worked fine with poe 🙂

will use that one till the prices are somewhat sane again

[simple ravine]

I'm impressed that 760 works well still, nice

yeah, i'm not buying a gpu until those prices become sane again

i hobby-tinker with 3d stuff with gpu-render-engine and would love for a 20GB+ VRAM card to render those VDBs (volumes, like fog, smoke, fire etc)

[golden bane]

How about this one? https://geizhals.de/be-quiet-pure-base-500-schwarz-bg034-a2126864.html

[frank kayak]

i did see some decenet price drops in the pcpartpicker price histories - you can set an email alarm

looks also fine - but the Antec is already paid. if they cant deliver in time ill complain and perhaps use that one instead

also was marvelled to find a pretty cheap 35€ mechanical keyboard https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07RKPB6KQ/ with good reviews. my old cherry was their cheapest model a few years ago for ~80€

cant go back from mechanical

lights will be turned off

[golden bane]

Yeah, looks quite busy with the lights on

I have this one: https://candykeys.com/product/vortex-race-3-iso-de
It's a shame that 75% form factor is not more popular

Also I have some custom key caps so it looks less bland

[frank kayak]

i need the full layout im used too or the thinkpad ones im used too

[grave wren]

always picked up cherry mx board 3.0s for ~30-40€

[frank kayak]

did have a look at that one as i couldnt get the 2.0 i have again. but i think i saw prices quite a bit higher

87€ for 3.0 S - 150€ for used 3.0 ( https://www.amazon.de/CHERRY-MX-Board-Black-Linear-US-Lay/dp/B071G5QWJL )

i do have the mx brown switches in my mx-board 2.0 - what switches do you prefer?

[golden bane]

Brown

[grave wren]

black

[frank kayak]

brown feel pretty nice but i dont know no others

are black tactile or linear?

[golden bane]

Linear

65mg weight, iirc

[frank kayak]

thats heavier than brown?

[golden bane]

Yeah

[frank kayak]

k

[golden bane]

Browns are 45 iirc

[frank kayak]

the Havit has red Kailh or how its called. Chinese MX copies but the new ones got good reviews

[golden bane]

Then there are also reds, which are basically lighter blacks, intended for gaming

[grave wren]

i used reds for a while

[golden bane]

Although blacks were primarily for gaming as well. Maybe gamers are getting weaker over time lol

[grave wren]

but blacks are so much nicer

bottoming out reds was way too easy for me

[frank kayak]

i always want keyboards with numblock but as a lefthander its unnatural to me to use it with the right hand so itll prob end up unused again...

[golden bane]

It doesn't happen too often for me, but when I write a longer text and manage to push my browns just past the trigger point, it feels amazing

[frank kayak]

hm i push them through - i wish they had a bit more resistance still like them a lot though

[golden bane]

You could get an extra numblock keyboard and set it to the left side of the keyboard

[frank kayak]

has to be one part for me

[golden bane]

There are also some keyboards with detachable numblock

[frank kayak]

there are such keyboards with quertz and lefthanded but after that i dont have much choice left with other properties

[golden bane]

All left-handed people I know just use computers like right-handed people

[frank kayak]

yeah prob just try a bit more getting used to using the numpad

[golden bane]

On another note: My venerable Alienware M17x R4 died just this week. I got this thing in June of 2012, so over 9 years of service. Did have to replace the battery and charger, but not bad. Now I'm not sure what I want to get as a replacement

[frank kayak]

9 years is a good duration

[grave wren]

what about an actual notebook :^)

[golden bane]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking

[grave wren]

i think someone at uni had something like this

and the battery was out after like 20min

was hilarious

[frank kayak]

i dont use anything else than Thinkpads - need the original Trackpoint (clones from Dell/HP are just bad)

[golden bane]

But a new Thinkpad is just as expensive as a gaming notebook with an RTX 3xxx

[grave wren]

i'd not get a thinkpad as private person

[simple ravine]

I'm not understanding wanting resistance in your keyboard.

I like em flat and easy to push

[grave wren]

if you dont need desktop performance get a macbook air or ideapad

[frank kayak]

a Thinkpad lasts long - price is worth it. not like iCrap

[grave wren]

[x] doubt

t480 was a shitshow

if youre in for a linux machine maybe check out a tuxedo laptop

schenker prebuilt with support

[frank kayak]

yeah some generations arent that good - i do check reviews first

[golden bane]

I'd like to be able to play games, but I don't need the latest and greatest hardware

[grave wren]

my macbook air from 2013 still goes strong

[frank drift]

my previous laptop was so bad that Firefox dropped support for it in ~2016

[golden bane]

There doesn't seem to be much between proper build quality and full desktop replacement

[frank kayak]

you get good used Thinkpads refurbished very cheap - they are used in business for 2 years or so and then replaced while still solid

[simple ravine]

Microsoft Surface Laptop

[grave wren]

Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro

5800h, 3050 gpu

[golden bane]

I have a T420 which I like very much, I just wish it had a FHD screen

[frank kayak]

what are laptop brands you just stay away from? for me its mostly Acer

[golden bane]

Acer is kind of low end

[grave wren]

acer and lenovo customer thinkpad fakes

[golden bane]

I've had Lenovo and Dell before

[grave wren]

acer you buy for 2y for the hw and thats it

[frank kayak]

my T410 did last long, did have some crashes 2 years ago though but yesterday it did run fine again after not using it for 1.5 years

[frank drift]

I have a Dell but I don't ask much of a laptop, don't really work on the laptop very often

[frank kayak]

also not a big fan of HP (HPE is fine)

[grave wren]

the dell xps a study colleague had was a shitshow of being loud and useless

[golden bane]

My father has a t460s for work, but I didn't like the keyboard when I tried it out. Too flat

[grave wren]

with the 4k display at 13"

@golden bane https://www.lenovo.com/de/de/laptops/ideapad/500-series/IdeaPad-5-Pro-16ACH6/p/82L5006SGE

[frank kayak]

currently typing on a Thinkpad P50 with a Xeon - P-Series are workhorses - but costs

does the W-series still exist?

[grave wren]

dont think it does

[frank kayak]

gone in 2015 it seems

[golden bane]

Wow this might just be what I was looking for, very promising

[grave wren]

theres been some good sales on these as well

[golden bane]

I can get 10% student discount too

[frank kayak]

how are the reviews?

[grave wren]

Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro Gen 6, 16" 120Hz, AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX 8-Core, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVMe-SSD, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 4GB ~ 1300€

almost bought it

but no reviews back then

[golden bane]

I can't find any proper reviews now either

I'd really like to know what's the display like before I buy a laptop

[grave wren]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-IdeaPad-5-Pro-16ACH-review-Ryzen-5000-laptop-with-large-120-Hz-LCD.558244.0.html

[golden bane]

Seems like my googling skills are failing me today. Thanks for the recommendation. Seriously considering buying that laptop

[grave wren]

Should add pro Googler to my CV, welcome

[frank kayak]

from the Lenovo page. IPS are the pricy ones with good color but a bit slow right? - not sure if its non-glossy though

[grave wren]

IPS are fine

Good viewing angles and fast enough

[frank kayak]

my county just doesnt leave the top 5 of 400 counties in the corona incidence statistic...

full of idiots (me included)

[golden bane]

Not glossy, there is an outdoors pic in the testing article

[long sky]

‘Bama?

[long sky]

140Hz IPS aren’t too hard to find, pricey though

[grave wren]

They got a lot cheaper like 300-350€ for IPS 2560*1440 and 144hz

[frank kayak]

wrong side of the pond

[long sky]

Norfolk? That's like the 'bama of the UK

[frank kayak]

weather too good

id like that rainy weather

[long sky]

Gotta move to Ireland in that case

[frank kayak]

ill keep that in mind for when im in rent

love that we finally have pre-league teasers back

[worthy cape]

Balance 2/3 thoughts:
Gonna be super fun for people doing trade stuff with the new ||variance in immutable intrinsic base defenses on base types||.

[frank drift]

maybe in late 2022 GGG will add it to filters

[frank kayak]

"add"? huh...

the api misses a lot

wondering if my Aegis char will survive this patch

im guessing that part 3 is auras?

[civic crane]

Tomorrow, we'll share Part 3, which covers our plans for Auras, Curses and Elemental Damage Over Time

[compact isle]

I'll make sure to bring it up

also woah role logo

[worthy cape]

Fancy.

[civic crane]

+10% intended to be a bonus, but now it will be a new standard. be ready to vendor your influenced <10% base prop items 😄How this will affect unique items hmm

[frank kayak]

ah nice, i hope the aegis defence aura notables dont get butchered...

[frank drift]

ES is 0-20%, even better

[simple ravine]

base defenses, such as "x-y% cold and lightning resistance"?

[worthy cape]

armour/evasion/es

Those that have the crafting mod tag "defense".

In particular, this is stuff like the base armour value on a chest.

[simple ravine]

ah like this having 776 armour?

[worthy cape]

Correct. Goes from 776 now to 776 + 0-10% hardcoded on creation in 3.16

Kind of like a slightly-better-made item.

[simple ravine]

Ah yes, that's different than the two-tone boots' resistance implicit indeed

[velvet fog]

More rng

[simple ravine]

Yeah, why keep things simple when you can make it complicated? 🙂

[worthy cape]

If you take it to the extremes, bases get a bit larger variance in intrinsic monetary value from this, and in some people's eyes it may degenerate to "anything not perfect roll is not worth even blinking at".

I find it a bit quaint and if it creates a bit of spread in value, more affordable bases?

[simple ravine]

maybe, inb4 that immutable base-value becomes mutable with new currency

[rapid pagoda]

or, as Valdo once said, "everything short of perfection is irrelevant"? 🙂

[empty venture]

Because of that change ppl will filter out like another 80% of items. Less items = better (?)

I don't really see whats the point of it tbh, what is the goal here.

[empty venture]

Is there any reason why trade api isn't listed here: https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/index ? I mean something like www.pathofexile.com/api/trade/fetch/{items} which is listed here: https://app.swaggerhub.com/apis-docs/Chuanhsing/poe/1.0.0. GGG wants to remove it or something?

[civic crane]

because it's internal api of website, and the fact that you can access it is just a by-product of modern interactive web instead of MVC

[empty venture]

so I'm guessing the main drawback is that is more likely to change

Is it a good idea to get URLs for item assets on GGG's CDN through that API (considering they are introducing hashes in URLs)? Like whenever I encounter a base item/unique (+ influence perhaps) I don't have yet I'd query trade API for that item and then store the URL for later. Just so I don't have to query the same stuff over and over again.

[civic crane]

yep, but don't forget about alt art, influenced items, corrputed uniques art on rare items, fractrured, syntesised item effects, influenced maps etc etc

[empty venture]

don't care about alt art and corrupted rare items at all, other effects would be nice to have but not necessary

oh, I need to worry about those when getting assets, right

[oak estuary]

Hey @compact isle were you able to follow up on this? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3097030

[compact isle]

which part? That particular case seems fixed

[velvet fog]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/19091/page/145#p24317329

[compact isle]

that case is fixed in 3.16

[ivory echo]

just got a msg that fb user data is now up for sale from the back

trying to verify myself, but this would have to be one of the largest hacks ever

[long sky]

It's likely old scraped data, no?

like, up until the Cambridge Analytica stuff kicked off you could search fb users by email address and scrape their profiles

[ivory echo]

no, from a decent source it was the hack in the news a couple dys ago

up for sale on dark net markets

i'm trying to verify

[worthy cape]

It has been reported initially as a hack but there's no information supporting that it's much more than a massive scrape.

[ivory echo]

this iis the info supporting it

[worthy cape]

In any way, there's still value, especially if there's been mitigations to the public access method used.

[ivory echo]

this is the claimed dump of all th eusers

the biggest dark market closed up shop starting a few days ago so not really sure where it is - looking though

[worthy cape]

I hope they enjoy my vintage 2009 profile picture 😄

[ivory echo]

i've been facebook-less for abot 5 yearsa now.

plus we get to see if fb really deletes your data when you ask them to

[grave wren]

Prolly less cool than your current one

[ivory echo]

i couldn't find anything on the few market sites i checked, but could be on a smaller one.

[empty venture]

AWS is so fun... just started to use it recently and it seems I already managed to brick my env :x

at one point deploy timed out, the instance was stuck in rollback or something for 1h and after that everything is super slow

tried rebuilding the whole env, went quite fast actually, only 10min

now upgrading version of a platform, already 45min passed and still waiting

maybe amazons servers are overloaded cause New World

[simple ravine]

environment what? like traditional vms?

[empty venture]

elastic beanstalk environment

I believe its a couple of different services bundled together

won't argue, thats a good reason

update took over 1h, finished but still appears to be the previous version

[simple ravine]

ah, have no idea about the java things

[rapid pagoda]

oh, well, there's your problem. use terraform

[pseudo ocean]

So, new league, new web app tooling opportunity?

[round hazel]

Actually bad base but 6T1 roll may worth more than good base and T2/T3 roll. Just the new stuff fails to add incentive to id all base (like Widowsilk Robe may be, Occultist's Vestment that have implicit? or Necromancer Silks??) and GGG seems no intention to just del so many tier of gear: Currently there is 17 tier of pure ES chest. or 2x very early base , + 5 sets of 3)

waiting neversink how to code the new filter system

[simple ravine]

Call me Nostradamus.

[frank kayak]

@velvet fog i think your server has issues. cant reach it atm

[frank drift]

same from US Comcast

[empty venture]

wait... does PoB work on Linux? Am I being stupid all this time?

[oak estuary]

It works with wine

[empty venture]

is there anything in it that actually depends on windows?

[oak estuary]

The graphics library is heavily tied to Windows APIs

[empty venture]

I'm trying to launch a headless version from my python code and wonder why it doesnt work after deployment :/

[oak estuary]

If you launch it from the HeadlessWrapper.lua yeah it works on unix

[frank kayak]

i use wine but there also an alternative frontend

https://github.com/aspel/pobfrontend - or one of the other forks - no clue whats the most active atm

[empty venture]

don't need frontend tho

all I want is to get nicely formatted item descriptions based on PoB XML

[empty venture]

tbh dunno if I used that or not... using https://github.com/coldino/pob_wrapper to launch it, havent looked deep enough in it yet

everything works just fine on windows, not so much after deploying on linux

not sure if its linux's fault or AWS's

the fact that I don't know lua at all doesn't help either

hmm... it seems that project relies on modified version HeadlessWrapper.lua

I guess I'll try the original one and see what will happen

[frank kayak]

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/48918 - yes no generics changes to the stdlib for the next v 😄

[gilded tree]

(not clear yet). It's only a proposal.

[frank kayak]

i guess so - but with pike as author and enough upvotes itll probably end up accepted

[frank kayak]

assembled my new pc today - waiting for the monitor - hope i didnt brick it... - im quite the dummy with this

with that pc ill finally stop crashing because im running out of mem and can instead run poe from a ramdisk

gpu will be my old dusty gainward gtx 760 but at least the version with 4gb... - if it survived the transport. will see in the next 2 days when i get the display

not buying a gpu at the current prices...

[frank kayak]

less spammy generics definitions https://github.com/golang/go/issues/48424

[empty venture]

Any1 got experience with "login via google/facebook? I'm quite confused with this. Should I be using OAuth2? What's the difference between that and OpenID? Currently got it setup through OAuth2 and it seems to work but in both cases I'm requiring "email" and "profile" scopes. Do I actually need those scopes? I think I don't actually need any data from those scopes.

[rapid pagoda]

lol, delve debug info in stream

nothing huge, just displays the coordinates of delve nodes when hovering over them

[frank drift]

I don't envy PoB devs

good luck

[carmine merlin]

[empty venture]

I've thought the same... those tree changes

[frank parcel]

do you guys have a donation link/patreon/someway for us to support you guys?

[carmine merlin]

Maybe soon. Not atm though

[hazy fog]

have fun Local

[solid wave]

Well. I have an intention to help any PoB dev with any chore(any) activity.
Tbh, just this because I can't get how do you parallelize process of implementing new patch changes )

[civic crane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law

[solid wave]

Yeah, i agree...
But as a dev sometimes you have some boring activities for your junior, lol )

[oak estuary]

You can always submit PRs for the new uniques, it's one of the easiest things to add

[solid wave]

Okay, will try to do small things

[hazy fog]

of course none of them are purely numeric so far so

[solid wave]

Yeah, that's why I was looking for a head devs 👀

[simple ravine]

Documentation!

[empty venture]

if only pob wasn't in Lua

[solid wave]

Techically, most of numbers are a config that everyone can understand

[oak estuary]

https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/wiki/How-are-mods-parsed-in-PoB%3F

[oak estuary]

Which ones? Skills are handled separately already, so the main line on the amulet doesn't need to be parsed. Flasks are already checked separately, so the lines on the belt don't need to be parsed, and I believe all the mods on the chest are already supported, too.

[tired yacht]

Hey guys, I've some free hours this weekend and want to contribute extremely unskilled (neovim.config is the only lua I've written) labour toward updating PoB with the monstrosity of a patch notes that we've got. Can I help without spending more time onboarding than I have available? 🤔

[simple ravine]

I mean for juniors. boring tasks = documentation

[oak estuary]

Oh, gotcha, heh. I've been working on some documentation around the parts of PoB that get the most questions from new devs, so I'm eager to share it

[tired yacht]

Pinging here again, as I do want to help update PoB (as there is bound to be a metric ton of menial work around so many changes). I have already read through the contributing section in GH but that doesn't mention workload distribution around patch notes rush and I don't see existing issues I can take around updating values.

[empty venture]

I wonder how those tree masteries will be handled internally, in the tree json and tree url

as thats probably the only thing that actually affects me

[compact isle]

hopefully will have details on that sooner than later

[empty venture]

forgot you read this channel 😅

[oak estuary]

We organize it all in a google spreadsheet, PM me for an invite to the channel

[tired yacht]

Done. Thank you!

[dense shore]

Any address to send energy

[rain pasture]

creating placeholder assets for scourge with the power of hue adjustment 😛

[compact isle]

sshh 👀

[rain pasture]

ooo can you send one with a symbol on it? 😄

[rain pasture]

good enough~

[velvet fog]

I can imagine that someone will give PoB energy on reddit every day

[rain pasture]

I don't envy whoever has to build the mastery interface

[compact isle]

seems like you got it but here anyway

[rain pasture]

nah that's much better, cheers!

[oak estuary]

Hey Novynn do you know if/how the scourge mods are going to be distinguished for copy/paste? e.g. crafted mods have (crafted) after them

[compact isle]

I recall something about that, let me double check

it's been a long cycle of working from home 😅

looks like they have a (scourge) suffix on 'em

[oak estuary]

Nice, thanks!

[compact isle]

and they appear between enchants and implicits in the ctrl+c text

[compact isle]

explaining this tree URL format is a nightmare

[hidden marlin]

Kind of figured this would be a difficult addition lol

We wish you best of luck

(all the tool devs!)

[compact isle]

okay give this a try (feedback welcome on confusing things):
https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/changelog

unfortunately doesn't seem like the actual tree JSON is ready yet 💔

[velvet fog]

    "scourgeMods": [
        "Randomly shift into and out of Nightmare\nCannot manually Shift into Nightmare",
        "Take 6000 Fire Damage when you Shift into or out of Nightmare",
        "Players lose 300 Energy Shield per second while in Nightmare",
        "Area contains an additional Scourge Boss",
        "Rare Scourge Monsters drop 2 additional Tainted Currency Items"
    ],
    "scourged": {
        "tier": 3,
        "level": 68,
        "progress": 0,
        "total": 125225
    }

    "scourgeMods": [
        "Bow Attacks fire an additional Arrow",
        "Deal no Cold Damage"
    ],
    "scourged": {
        "tier": 3
    },

[quaint field]

any passive trees in chat

[velvet fog]

only formats right now

[grave wren]

No. Jason is in bed!

[empty venture]

I hope PoB devs will handle the new skill tree in such a way that it will be easy to extract masteries directly from the xml so I won't have to parse url as well

[worthy cape]

Looking at the docs, it's gonna be Fun ™️

[simple ravine]

looking good

[empty venture]

Sorry to ask again but I think my question from earlier might have been missed because of the announcement hype:
Any1 got experience with "login via google/facebook? I'm quite confused with this. Should I be using OAuth2? What's the difference between that and OpenID? Currently got it setup through OAuth2 and it seems to work but in both cases I'm requiring "email" and "profile" scopes. Do I actually need those scopes? I think I don't actually need any data from those scopes.

[civic crane]

you want email as unique id. imagine I signed up with google this year, forgot about your site and signed up again with facebook next year, you should detect this and add facebook as a 2nd sign in method instead of creating account for me

[empty venture]

fair point, haven't considered it before

[worthy cape]

The unique and immutable identifier "current email address" 😄

[frank drift]

I've had the same email for almost 20 years personally

[worthy cape]

There's a fair bit of people, especially older, that tend to use whatever address they got with their ISP. The most powerful vendor lock-in there is, a well-used email address 😄

[frank drift]

yeah come to think of it my aunt+uncle probably still have the same (shared) email address from the nineties

it's @compuserve or something

[golden bane]

I started out with a shitty free mail provider, then changed to a great paid one a few years backs. Migrating stuff I was a pain, everything I thought I don't need anymore I just left there

[rain pasture]

I think security > convenience, personally. If I accidentally left my Facebook open on a public PC, that shouldn't give someone the power to jack into any account I registered with my email address. Let the user add another provider after logging in.

[oak estuary]

I'd probably have stuck with the first e-mail address I got (or maybe second once I realized signing up for 1000 free online games as a kid was a spam magnet) if Yahoo didn't get hacked 4 separate times 🤡

[autumn thicket]

Hey, I'm an android dev and wanna take PoB and port it to android. Anybody got an idea on how to do that? PoB is written in Lua and somehow released for windows. I have no idea if i can somehow take the Lua code and have it bridge with the Java API's in the android sdk. Anyone got ideas?

[empty venture]

I've made it so emails are unique. Whenever an user tries to login via different provider using the same email they will be receive an error informing them that the email is already in use. If they want to be able to login via different provider they have to log in using the initial one and connect the other social account in the settings.
I'm guessing such system should be both secure and convenient enough.

[rain pasture]

this is de wae

[empty venture]

In my webapp project (in python) I'm starting a headless PoB as a separate process and communicate via system.out as I only need very limited functionality. Don't think thats a suitable option if u actually want to port most of the functionality.

[civic crane]

lua interpreter + modify https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding-SimpleGraphic for ui + glue code, done.
basically what https://pob.party/ did

[worthy cape]

Might have a bit of a headstart with my portability branch, or even the ANGLE one as that's OpenGL ES 2.0, but there's still a ton of stuff you need to unscrew, especially the very hardcoded UI.

[hazy fiber]

^, zao's stuff could be made to run on android, but have fun with PoB's hardcoded pixel widths

[worthy cape]

PoB hardmode - see if you can get a build done before it drains your battery.

[grave wren]

MacBook air crying in agony

[empty venture]

see if you can get a build done before it drains your battery brain

I can't imagine using PoB on a phone

on some big tablet, maybe

[autumn thicket]

thanks, will check that out

Well, there was a pob on the play store, but it's very outdated

[worthy cape]

There's also pobfrontend to adapt, but that's less first party.

[dense shore]

Did you remember to wake up Jason

[grave wren]

no he doesnt want to

[simple ravine]

OpenID Connect is a layer on top of OAuth 2

[sharp wave]

is there a place in the game with all the item classes/prefixes/suffixes created in a database so that I dont create my own?

[oak estuary]

https://www.pathofexile.com/item-data/mods or poedb.tw

[sharp wave]

so If I want to create a program thats uses such data my only option is to copy paste from their website and then read analyse it into a database? (sorry I am not a programmer so my knowledge in programming is very weak)

[frank drift]

https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE has json for many things

[sharp wave]

this is what I was looking for thx

[empty venture]

uhm... I've really hoped I'll be able to get item asset urls from the trade API. I guess not. Because of the request limits it'd take forever to get all of them :/

[frank kayak]

huh - didnt grok that the ip method also applies when youre logged in and the account method headers are in the response...
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2079853/filter-account-type/staff#p15244273

[civic crane]

yes, but with adjusted values iirc

[frank kayak]

rate limiter finally works - now i have to remove the mess inbetween. bad thing when the code comes into existence at 3 in the morning...

i just switched to taking the max timout of the ip and account rules when the account method is used. didnt take the ip method timeout into consideration before

damn it still *** up

:/

only half an hour 😛

prob should timeout the next policy...

[hazy fog]

@subtle cave now you're here

[subtle cave]

I'll murder your face off.

[empty venture]

where is Jason? off for a weekend?

[grave wren]

yeah doesnt feel so good he's resting

[empty venture]

When sending account verification emails, do I need to worry about message bounces and implements some ways to handle them?

[quaint field]

i have some energy here for a Mr. Jason, has anyone seen him recently

[dense shore]

store is a quite far away

[ivory echo]

quick question - trying to get a quick scrip to work - is there a way to lookup a single item or a page for an item? it would be really nice to go directly to something.

oh sorry, my fault, the trade site

im not a web guy so dissecting javascript isn't in my wheelhouse

wish there was an item id field you could fill in to get to particular items

what's you reddit id, i can look for it

im trying a proof of ceoncept idea of being able to list baskets of goods.

is there a way to display it on the site as ifyou wanted to cking someone a link to clink on?

but this is definitely useful

look slike its just the fethc endping with the item id?

you can see the id in the json

very nice.

[long sky]

Ideally, yes

Even if it’s just allowing someone to check they entered their email in correctly or resending the confirmation email

We just had a problem on the wiki where the transactional esp used by the host was being temporarily blocked by yahoo/microsoft because of the volume of spam coming from other senders on that IP

[empty venture]

when registering user have to enter their email twice so it should be correct most of the time

[civic crane]

if not the browser autocompletion i'd leave your site immediatly

[empty venture]

u can just copy the damn thing 😄

[rain pasture]

That just sounds like entering it once with extra steps.

[empty venture]

got any better solutions for that?

[rain pasture]

One input 😉

[empty venture]

actually, any idea what percentage of ppl would create an account if theres a possibility to sign in with social account?

I'd expect that most ppl will just go for social account

[worthy cape]

Community team goes:

Passive tree when? We'll release it as soon as we can.

[velvet fog]

Historically, it's always been released on the Wednesday (NZT) before launch. We'll try to get it out sooner but there is some remaining work that needs to be done on it first. We're waiting for updates from the team to get a more specific time estimate but it's currently the weekend so we aren't able to check with them right now.

[empty venture]

tbh ppl are impatient for the json only because we got patchnotes 3-4 days earlier than normal

[rain pasture]

I think Chris made it pretty clear the only reason we got patch notes early is because they wrote them alongside development (which is a nice improvement.) People impatient af 🙂

[frank drift]

they shoulda seen that not having tree was an issue

[rain pasture]

what is the issue?

[quaint field]

well didnt they mention that passives will be available after stream

i think that was the issue

[rain pasture]

next Wednesday is after the stream 🙃

[frank kayak]

they said patch notes iirc

[frank drift]

probably common for developers

[oak estuary]

I was gonna say I don't use the social media sign-ins either, but that's anecdotal

[rain osprey]

Does pob pull gem data from the api or is it all implemented in house?

[oak estuary]

Pulls gem data from the game data

[rain osprey]

Thanks

How about the skill tree?

[hazy fiber]

given to everyone by ggg

[rain osprey]

Hm? In what way?

I just ask because I'm curious about the overhead involved in implementing the new tree in pob

[frank drift]

via API, as json #tooldev-general message

[rain osprey]

Thank

[oak estuary]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2784312 is an example of the post from Delirium that released the skill tree

[compact isle]

we actually host it on github now: https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export

easier than mysterious .zip files

[frank drift]

noice

[oak estuary]

Time to build some automation! 🥰

[rain osprey]

Thanks

[rain pasture]

rory source code

[muted breach]

Is there a way to register an application to use the PoE OAuth or do need to contact some GGG devs for some kind of whitelisting?

Edit: Googling and reading stuff sometimes helps 😄 Didn't know this awesome site existed https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/index

[empty venture]

Tbh I had to create an FB account just to make the "login with facebook" so totally understand not having social media accounts. Got gmail account tho so I always login with google when possible.

[tawny agate]

Are you doing some kind of AB testing? I don't always have the scourge section on the changelog, I have to refresh few times to get it
For the same reason, most of the time the links give me the old doc

[rain pasture]

We do not allow using "localhost" as a redirect URI.
I've run into this a couple of times and it always throws me for a loop. I end up having to create a bit.ly link to test redirects in my local dev environment. I don't really understand why APIs would put restrictions on the redirect URI.

[worthy cape]

Completely unrelated, a colleague of mine named his machine lacolhost. Eternally confusing in logs and a bit of an own goal.

[rain pasture]

10c@1h0$t

I kind of want to request access to this API just to have something to tinker with. Maybe use it to aggregate stash data or something, experiment with a new web framework..

but who's got time for that with a new league coming? 🙃

[simple ravine]

just use your hosts file to map yourapp.dev -> localhost

[rain pasture]

oh the bit.ly fix works well enough, and makes the code more portable since anyone can clone and run it without having to mess with their hosts

still curious about the reasoning though

[simple ravine]

because you should protect your private keys, barring developer mistakes

[rain pasture]

what do private keys have to do with redirect URIs..?

[simple ravine]

when creating desktop applications, you should always have something inbetween your desktop app and the GGG OAuth2 which holds the app secret.

there's some 'flows' where you go directly to the OAuth authority, and GGG does not support this, as it's not recommended

[rain pasture]

you're saying they disallow localhost to prevent people from storing secrets in their client applications?

[simple ravine]

it's quite normal yeah

[rain pasture]

ah

[simple ravine]

if Rory blocked localhost for that specific reason alone, I don't know, but that's my best guess.

[rain pasture]

as a server side web developer it just comes as an annoyance to me 😄

I need to get some experience in client side development so I have more perspective for this sort of thing

[lusty musk]

@fickle yew would it be possible to add a minimum/maximum filter on life and ES on the poe.ninja builds section, like there is for depth?

e.g. if you want to sort by DPS to look for an interesting build but want to skip the 3k life andys

[frank kayak]

craftofexile has some issues with harvest:

[ember idol]

hello guys... I'm presenting my application that I'm developing for my own use but I'm making it available to anyone who wants to use and test.
"PoE Helper" on the Nexusmods website
is an overlay browser with multiple utilities and price check, simple, that requires very little resource. consumes less memory than a normal browser to avoid crashing the game (for someone like me with a weak laptop). It has easy access to PoE Trade, Wiki, Price Check

I'm still assembling and I need to clean up some outdated links

[civic crane]

let me guess, it's c# winforms with webview. It was fun in beginning of learning programming to make something these 😅

[ember idol]

vb webview2 net6 overlay e price check👍

[frank drift]

the new wiki I assume

[simple ravine]

cool with new people creating things, even though I think it has limited use

[ember idol]

I wanted to do it for a long time but webcontrol didn't allow me to do it... now with webview I can do it

wiki = https://www.poewiki.net/

F2 = overlay browser, F3 = price check

[long sky]

Thanks for linking to our wiki!

[ember idol]

I must thank you guys... my app is just a browsed the hard work and yours

[rain pasture]

hope you guys get some SEO love soon enough 🙂

[simple ravine]

poewiki.net the new-most-used-and-most-updated one now?

[hidden marlin]

Is there a core group of people running it? Let me know who and I can give you a cool flair on here or something... not really sound with tool creation but at least I can do that 🙂

[compact isle]

my script missed a server or two, should be fixed now

[simple ravine]

implicit A/B testing 🙂

[compact isle]

precisely 😄

[tawny agate]

👍

I use "A/B testing" by habit, 99% of the time it's to means "caching is hard" 😉

[ember idol]

not yet... I'm a noob with ideas... I monitor the comments on nexumods .... and my english is terrible

[tawny agate]

To be honest, as an infra guy, "I missed some servers" reason scare me
You should have dynamic inventory in my books

But I don't know your infra

[compact isle]

I'm doing things I shouldn't be doing, it's not part of our normal process

[tawny agate]

You are not improving your case

[simple ravine]

This is normal. I can relate.

[lavish lance]

in the scourge developer docs preview, there's a new PassiveNode structure - it has isBlighted as a boolean field - was that always there before scourge to indicate anointed passives, or is that new?

[compact isle]

that's been there a while

[lavish lance]

ah thanks

hm, api supports cluster jewels being masteries

[compact isle]

there are "boring" masteries that don't have options or text or anything cool in them

[rain pasture]

activeEffectImage ?string mastery effect checkbox image
I hadn't even noticed each mastery has its own custom checkbox. That's such a neat little detail.

[gilded tree]

https://shouldiblamecaching.com

[lavish lance]

if it's not caching in the app you're working on, it's your IDE's cached indices for the project dependencies ....

[rain pasture]

don't forget to mash Clean and Rebuild

[lavish lance]

sure, but wait, your gradle cache is also krangled

[rain pasture]

cast off IDEs and embrace vim~

[lavish lance]

I mean, vim with enough plugins is surely an IDE, and while I'm down with mainframe style UX I always find myself uninspired to maintain my dotfiles repo enough to make vim setup convenient across envs while modern IDEs are fairly batteries included

[rain pasture]

heh, I've been bumming off an old coworker's dotfiles for years

[lavish lance]

that works great until one day you're sitting there running unit tests that pass in the IDE, fail from the command line via the build tooling, and pass in the build env scratching your head going "what's....different...about my command line env..."

but I'm also guilty of bumming off someone else's 100+ hours of dotfile maintenance

until I finally went and rehashed it all myself on a (coding) bender a few years back

[hidden marlin]

@violet hearth
@lunar crypt
@long sky
@obtuse citrus
@bronze kestrel As far as I've been informed, you and le alex are the big wigs of the REAL poe wiki

you guys want a flair and a symbol? If so let me know what you want. I'll give a custom colour as well

[frank drift]

@oak estuary could use tool-dev role while you're at it

[hidden marlin]

For sure, I just wanted to confirm if they actually want it first, as like I was saying to jasmine, you never know. Some jerks would go out of their way and bug certain flaired users

but its unlikely

[frank drift]

ah

[oak estuary]

🤷 my name's on the GitHub page so I get plenty of PMs as it is, sure why not

[velvet fog]

https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export 3.16.0 updated

[oak estuary]

https://giphy.com/gifs/iOm1xOSfAtPzmPXJqH

[hidden marlin]

👀

GL friends

[lunar crypt]

Sure, thank you 🙏🏼

[lavish lance]

oh, the new tree json is out

[coarse token]

Good luck PoB crew, seems like a LOT of changes to make, especially to layout/artwork etc + mastery stuff

[lavish lance]

https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/pulls

there are dozens of 3.16 PRs up

[hazy fog]

all hail loco identity

[carmine merlin]

@compact isle new tree has weird apostrophes btw

[compact isle]

[lavish lance]

ah string encoding, my greatest love

[grizzled seal]

classic broken UTF8 encoding

[compact isle]

time to track down the heathen who doesn't use a US-layout keyboard

[hazy fog]

[lavish lance]

i wonder how many outages/bugs pasting smart quotes has caused

[rain pasture]

You’ve been struck by a smooth encoding

[hazy fog]

yay new role works

[rain pasture]

custom flairs for every dev project leggo

[hazy fog]

maybe neversink but noone else is as influential

[rain pasture]

Influential Ferret

[hazy fog]

[compact isle]

github updated with a couple of minor text fixes (apostrophes, "Lined" instead of "Linked")

[hidden marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/myman-rickandmorty-gif-5032364

[carmine merlin]

@compact isle got a file background2.png?

[lunar crypt]

I’ll be at work for the next 8 hours, take my energy!

[compact isle]

eh probably can't trust discord compression I'll upload it

[carmine merlin]

ahh ty

[lunar crypt]

I think ‘Project PoE Wiki’ is fine for us

[hidden marlin]

Cool 👍

[compact isle]

https://web.poecdn.com/public/news/2021-10-18/Background2.png

[hazy fiber]

@compact isle all assests are same across trees of the same tree version? could that be included in the tree json?

we are now on v6?

[compact isle]

the assets change each league, tree version is specifically the tree URL encoding and nothing else

[hazy fiber]

the files have differnt sizes, but ok

also what does "tree": "Default" at the top refer to?

[velvet fog]

Default and Royale

[hazy fiber]

ahh k

[fickle yew]

Yeah it would.. How should the ui look though.

[hazy fiber]

maybe have an advanced options button and hide some of the filtering unless its pressed?

would allow you to add more options without it being way to crowed normaly

[carmine merlin]

@compact isle are you able to supply the images for the updated orbit images as we can see quite a few have changed and orbits 5 + 6 have now been added

[compact isle]

just the biggest size is fine?

[oak estuary]

Yeah

[compact isle]

I don't think the old orbit images changed let me double check though

[carmine merlin]

was thinking cause these look a little off

[compact isle]

hm weird

comparing them they are like 1px off which wouldn't explain that

but I'll export them all one moment

[carmine merlin]

Thanks

[lunar crypt]

By the way, we want to implement oauth for the wiki, who do we need to talk to about it?

[compact isle]

I have an email in my queue with someone asking that

it's in the right place it's just a very busy place right now

[long sky]

I’ve already emailed ggg

[lunar crypt]

Oh okay. I’ll leave it with you for now then

[carmine merlin]

Thanks for the images, realised we were using the old normal orbits. Must be an issue on our end then I guess as we're still having issues

[compact isle]

that particular arc is an Orbit5

[hazy fiber]

I think the arcs are correct and the node positions are wrong

particularly "mark the prey" is defenitly in the wrong position

but its possible its our issue

or actually based on the videos the locations look correct for most of em, so probs some other issue on our end

[compact isle]

seems fine on our web tree, I wasn't aware of anything special required

[long sky]

Yea please!

[long sky]

Bing loves us, Google are taking their time 🙄

[carmine merlin]

@compact isle I overlayed the Orbit5.png onto your image and it is cut short like how we have it at the moment. Are you doing some new scaling + transposing for it to connect all the way?

[compact isle]

nothing has changed in our orbit rendering but it's possible we've been doing something all along that isn't in PoB

[lavish lance]

until reading this conversation, i didn't know the lines were static assets

[lusty musk]

exactly like it does for depth, I'd think

mockup:

[cinder stump]

is there a rough workaround way to import the json into pob just for tree if i delete everything related to masteries in the json or something

[worthy cape]

There's one way to find out, isn't there? 😛

[hazy fiber]

sadly no

[cinder stump]

I'm not sure. Importing the 3.16 json just krangles the tree and gives the 3.15 tree with no icons so maybe not

[worthy cape]

Sit tight and wait for the peeps to get it out then I guess

[tulip prairie]

I would just like to take this time to say on behalf of myself and only me, Thank you all for the hard work.

[empty venture]

neither did I... I constructed mine based on json alone 🤔

on the issue: maybe its just the first time there is an orbit with only 3 node places on it (which seems to be the case here)?

[oak estuary]

I think the issue is more that this is the first time the arc length was longer than the asset itself

[empty venture]

u clearly need 90+30 degree of an arc there

its basically the same, no? arc is 90 degrees and with 3 node places its 120 degrees between nodes

[oak estuary]

Yeah, this is probably what we'll end up going with

[empty venture]

tbh dunno why its 90 degree arc and not 360 but ok 😄

[worthy cape]

It's nicely symmetric and you can use mirror wrapping.

[empty venture]

working with svg arcs sure is easier

[slate rover]

@compact isle do you have the new jewel radii by any chance 😅

[empty venture]

what u mean by new jewel radii? not those?

[slate rover]

no the radius for jewels like intuitive leap and such

they will change in 3.16.0 right

[empty venture]

oh, right

[compact isle]

it's 1.2x the 3.15 ones

[slate rover]

thanks

[hidden marlin]

@long sky @lunar crypt I'll just mess around with the font colour but it should be good to go

[lunar crypt]

Thanks, looks neat!

[long sky]

Very!

[hidden marlin]

Thanks guys, we all appreciate the work

that goes for all tool devs. love you long time

[worthy cape]

[narrow kayak]

[rain pasture]

[simple ravine]

Aww!
Would be fun with one of those little icons for the tooldevs as well 😄

[hidden marlin]

If y'all can come up with what you would like, I'll set one up

[simple ravine]

Now that's.. uh, a challenge

[simple ravine]

So, as tool developers adds to something existing, it's like an Exalted orb, right? 🙂

[hidden marlin]

how about a pair of closed eyes so you guys can feel true exhilaration

[simple ravine]

whatever you think is best

[rain pasture]

Exalted orb sounds cute

[hidden marlin]

Regular one? or awakener ones?

[simple ravine]

I'm from the old school myself

I haven't even used an awakened exalted orb yet 😂

[worthy cape]

💥

[civic crane]

give ex orb to zao and ex shard to everyone else 😅

[worthy cape]

I've got my mitts in way too many projects for one icon 😄

[grizzled seal]

considering how much energy tool developers get every league launch, something like a lightning bolt seems appropriate

[civic crane]

or maven orb and pretend we are java fans

[worthy cape]

Ooh, 010 Editor 12.0.1 has this fix:

Fixed a possible crash in scripts that write a large amount of data to a file.

That's probably what I ran into with my mesh debugging from FMT/SMD.

[hidden marlin]

It looks great actually

[simple ravine]

Hehe

amazing

[hidden marlin]

Okay I'll stop spamming this channel now. GL

[bronze kestrel]

The exalts.. RMT!

[bronze kestrel]

I literally had a misunderstanding with one of the devs a few days ago because of just this

I mentioned PNPM and why I like it, and they said "Looks like the teachings of Maven reached JS land" and I genuinely thought they meant Maven the POE boss. Turns out they meant Java Maven.

[viral panther]

do we know if the latest thread of hope ring in pob dev branch is correct? i only see novynn saying 1.2x for general threshold jewel raidus

maybe its just wrong and my build is still fine right

[carmine merlin]

The one in dev now is correct

[viral panther]

brutal

[grave wren]

he wasn't wrong 😄

[worthy cape]

Aaw, Local lost their visible PoB icon with the tooldev one.

[grave wren]

@hidden marlin fix pls

[hidden marlin]

oops

[grave wren]

priz learns the joy of git blame :>

[hidden marlin]

lol

this is a 30 second fix

compared to a 30second-30hour fix

[bronze kestrel]

Nothing is ever 30 s when it comes to code. -_-

[grave wren]

i love it when you hear a new person say "we'll ship this before lunch" to customers

and just watch them sweat more and more

[bronze kestrel]

You had me at "we'll ship"

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

Especially if you then look at their repo and theres 2 tests only. test_config_constants.py and test_package_version.py

Blood-boilingly tasty

[grave wren]

hey until lunch they learned a valuable lesson

win-win

[charred talon]

I made a mistake early in my career of quoting a project without fully scoping requirements... never again

[bronze kestrel]

Like in a way i get it, if you never implemented X, how the FUCK do you know how long it will take? But then most people panic like rabbits and instead of saying - "hey I dunno, lemme check with a senior" they go "You can have it by COB". You absolute sausage.... Why would you promise that??

[charred talon]

yup 🤦

[worthy cape]

Simply let sales deal with the requirements and promises.

[grave wren]

that sounds like the worst trade deal

i've never been more miserable than when a middleman was the "everything is 1 day, do you love us now customer" guy

[bronze kestrel]

That's the worst thing i can imagine

[charred talon]

sales trying to figure out engineering reqs... what could go wrong 😄

[bronze kestrel]

Product in general should only really relay the feature requirement and be the open channel between dev and customer. Actual requirements questioning, impl detail, fleshing features out -- thats dev domain. Unless you're talking about interfaces then some designers will be involved

We literally had to crawl out of the muck in my current job by doing just that -- stopping product from making dev promises to customers like they knew how complex what was and how long it takes.

[dense shore]

Almost there™

[west sequoia]

Could you share a screenshot of the new radius of ToH? If you dont mind

[coarse token]

I wish I could figure out why dev branch works for my brother but not for me 😦

[worthy cape]

Ooh, my FMT-to-OBJ thing works reliably now:

Honked too early, still crashes out on TGMs.

[viral panther]

L: https://i.imgur.com/pTcOfdG.png XL: https://i.imgur.com/OfKCA8y.png

[west sequoia]

Thanks, damn the radius is huge now

[mortal bone]

@carmine merlin you guys are just drawing a clipped version of the arc. I am surprised you didn't run across this earlier. You may need to draw multiple arc sprites to draw an arc. Something like this:
https://github.com/EmmittJ/SkillTree_TypeScript/blob/a12d7606f23dc0829992c9fc0aedf48897d7219a/models/PIXISkillNodeRenderer.ts#L306

I tried drawing the clipped version a long time ago, and I found in the extremes it doesn't work properly

[oak estuary]

This is the first time two nodes have an arc length longer than the sprite. Openarl didn't initially code for this case because the tree at the time also didn't have any nodes that were that far apart

[mortal bone]

Nah, this isn't the first time

[worthy cape]

First time anyone noticed 😉

[oak estuary]

Do you have an example of another tree that potentially has that issue? I'd like to check it out

[worthy cape]

RangerShadow area:

[mortal bone]

I will have to find some. I wouldn't have written this code with out having a problem :d

[viral panther]

🔍 this looks like shadow area

[worthy cape]

(any other rendering bugs in that image may be from my SimpleGraphic fork, I think)

[mortal bone]

@oak estuary what tree versions do you have?

[oak estuary]

Zao showed a good example, but we have trees all the way back to 3.6

And a random 2.6 tree 😆

[mortal bone]

"All the way back" 😄

There are a ton of examples in 0.9.x trees

[oak estuary]

I think a good chunk got removed when we refactored, can probably fetch them from git nvm, I don't know where they were before they got added in the current places. I definitely have PoBs from pre 3.0 though

[mortal bone]

Give me a minute, and I can give you some examples from 3.14.0

[hazy fiber]

we have been discussing this a bit in the PoB discord

as each image is a 90 degree angle, shifting each one 45 degrees outward should line them up correctly```

and surprisingly no one has pointed out the lines in some places dont connect for ages

[mortal bone]

Those are the places where more than 1 arc is needed in 3.14

[hazy fiber]

also @mortal bone do you have "mark the pray" how its line should connect?

ours connects through the mastery, which is incorrect

[mortal bone]

in 3.16?

[hazy fiber]

yes

[hazy fiber]

that is alot... and no one ever pointed it out lol

[worthy cape]

I actually noticed it a few months ago, but noted it as something to investigate as I thought it might be a bug with my renderer 😄

Promptly forgot it.

[mortal bone]

I am having a few issues rending 3.16 need a few minutes 😄

I haven't really been keeping up-to-date with everything. Apparently masteries now have an active/inactive skill sprite sheet...

[hazy fiber]

they have 4 sheets
3 for the node and then 1 background splash that gets activated

[mortal bone]

Yeah, I see they have an icon rather than coords

[empty venture]

u can't path through a mastery, right? even tho its connected to two different nodes

[worthy cape]

Correct, one-way.

The edge is just for "can this be taken" information for the mastery node.

(there's this fun wheel down right that has three notables too)

[empty venture]

is it just me or the new tree is quite ugly?

[worthy cape]

Seems fine to me. Probably a bit of unfamiliarity.

[empty venture]

like shapes of some clusters are really weird

I prefered them being round more or less

[oak estuary]

They're supposed to look like the weapon they represent

i.e. the sword clusters are long and straight

[empty venture]

oh? really?

[oak estuary]

Er, at least the marauder one is

[empty venture]

thats interesting

[viral panther]

i dont like all the wacky shaped wheels

the ones outside near marauder

maybe it looks better in game

[mortal bone]

@hazy fiber mine also just connects through the mastery:

[hazy fiber]

k so its not just us

we "fixed" it by moving the node.... and hopfully it doesnt bite us

[worthy cape]

Probably some logic for 180° orbits that's wack, ours turned into a straightie.

[mortal bone]

I don't use the "orbitIndex" nvm...i do

[hazy fiber]

I think Zao is correct

[mortal bone]

The orbitIndex is 0, so it would be straight

[hazy fiber]

@carmine merlin was asking if we could yoink your implementation for extending the arcs

[mortal bone]

Yeah

It is all open source, pick whatever you need out of that

[hazy fiber]

did what I say before sound reasonable or you do it compleatly differntly?

[mortal bone]

Moving the node? I am not sure or are you talking about the arcs?

[oak estuary]

We do it similarly already @hazy fiber we just need to do the process again when the angle is less than 180 but greater than 90, acting as if there's another node between the two arcs

[mortal bone]

Yeah, that is basically all that code does

[hazy fiber]

@mortal bone ^that

[mortal bone]

I don't think there is an instance of more than 2 arcs btw

[oak estuary]

Yeah, all the arcs are < 180 degrees. part of why we have the straight line on that one node

[mortal bone]

That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. I know I have some problems with creating a clipping rectangle that fit properly when I tried that

[oak estuary]

Hacky fix for this node. The angle is exactly 180 degrees, so floating point precision didn't bring it into the arc logic and skipped down to the straight line. Might have to figure out an epsilon to go by or something

[civic crane]

I hope masteries dropdown will be changed to checkboxes soon 🙏

[hazy fiber]

theres plans for changes but not "soon"

and to what is still up for debate

[oak estuary]

Actually, we were using angle < pi * .9 as the logic...as someone who hasn't done trig since high school, why would we not just do angle <= pi (which does work, no epsilon needed)

[hazy fiber]

does this change any other arcs anywhere on tree?

or on any old tree is the real but hard question

[mortal bone]

Mark the Prey and Mark Mastery aren't in the same orbit...

that is why I have a straight line...

there has never been a case for drawing an arc between orbits

[hazy fiber]

straight line between it and the node above the mastery

not to the mastery

is the issue

[hazy fiber]

and the other question is, how does it know which way round to place it? that might be why they didnt have it before?

[oak estuary]

Our issue, at least 😛

[mortal bone]

All of the arcs have been the same since 0.9.6, so you don't have to worry about breaking arcs on older trees

[oak estuary]

That makes sense, actually. It just so happens that it draws it the correct direction for this connector. Not sure if there's a programmatic way to make sure it draws the correct direction, though

[mortal bone]

Ah, is that in the royale tree?

[oak estuary]

We would if there was a case of drawing an arc where it was drawing a straight line before, but that would only happen between 162 and 180 degrees, so it seems unlikely

[mortal bone]

Oh, I see. You use the angle to determine if there is a straight or arc

[oak estuary]

Yeah

Our error looks like this

[mortal bone]

if the nodes are in the same group and orbit then you can assume there is an arc. If they aren't there is a straight line

no need for angles

unless this royale stuff breaks that assumption

[oak estuary]

Oh nvm...I was looking at the wrong ending brace for the if statements...

[hazy fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682043188894236693/899562322937397258/unknown.png

[oak estuary]

We do do this

[hazy fiber]

is how it should be correctly linking with an arc to the left of the mastery

[mortal bone]

Oh good

[hazy fiber]

ours is a line

which is wrong

yours seems to just have no connection to the node

[mortal bone]

What is the node that should be connected to mark the prey?

[oak estuary]

id 26002

[hazy fiber]

the node at the top, look at the last image wires posted

we dont draw connections to masteries, its just the 2 nodes to eachother

[mortal bone]

Ok, I see

[empty venture]

any1 know if masteries will be present in PoB XML? if so, how?

[hazy fiber]

they have curved line, not straight, but it goes on the right side.....

[mortal bone]

Yeah, I noticed the same thing

[oak estuary]

Mine did that as well actually. It's whether you use <= or <, basically

[mortal bone]

what is weird to me is that the angle is actually negative...

At least in my code the draw angle would be negative

[viral panther]

@carmine merlin IDK if you guys have a TODO list but the generic reservation on champion of the cause wasn't implemented yet. I don't wanna open an issue sorry

[carmine merlin]

I'll slip it into the update

[viral panther]

thanks sorry for bugging you

[slate rover]

Yeah I noticed and fixed it locally by using >= instead of >, but would mean that is there was a cluster that would be the mirrored version of this then that one would be wrong

[hazy fiber]

yeah, I am not sure how we will handle it

[slate rover]

not sure if node connections are always clock wise or something, but that could help

[mortal bone]

They should always be drawn clock wise

https://github.com/EmmittJ/SkillTree_TypeScript/commit/ca0251a6ea8c03921a39a65f81dc62a0c3251870

I fixed my code 😄

[empty venture]

Its interesting that u never encountered it before. In my implementation of a skill tree I had the problem with clockwise vs anti-clockwise in previous trees, a great portion of clusters was incorrect

[mortal bone]

I have a line that says if it is greater than Pi flip it

just needed to change to greater than or equal to like @oak estuary pointed out

I don't think there has been a case where the angle is exactly 180

[empty venture]

maybe I implemented it correctly the first time by accident 😄

[mortal bone]

It would be hard to draw them in both directions though

[dense shore]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-waiting-gif-19902178

[worthy cape]

Any decade now.

[plush imp]

Hopefully the 2020s 😉

[cold spruce]

anyone knows how to fix EO in PoB dev branch? can't find the code where it gets calculated

[oak estuary]

ModParser.lua

[dense shore]

Don't tell me I need to bust out "all I want for christmas"

[worthy cape]

Eyes On Me

[mortal bone]

the comparison between 3.16 and 3.15 is useless 😄

literally every node on the tree moved

[hazy fiber]

make it changes by group instead

and then have some large threshold for been moved

guess theres no nice way for doing that though

[worthy cape]

Ist out.

[hazy fog]

ping time?

[rain pasture]

may Kuduku have mercy on our souls

[golden bane]

New installer is up if anyone needs it: https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/releases

[civic crane]

released without fixing arcs, literally unusable 😛

[worthy cape]

Simply connect the dots, 4head.

[rain pasture]

angles that don't make sense, shapes that shouldn't exist...

[hazy fiber]

its been broken for years, people can handel another few days

[golden bane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gömböc

[mortal bone]

I can always try to fix arcs properly. Do y'all have a dev discord?

[golden bane]

Yeah, I'll send you an invite

[mortal bone]

I have no idea how tf lua works, but it can't be that bad

[golden bane]

You say that now 😈

[fresh mesa]

Hahahahahahha. Funny.

[grave pilot]

poison concoction missing from pob?

[worthy cape]

Gems and skills and stuff are mostly from the game pack.

So after the league start patch.

[fluid wave]

Is the new fields in the api anything major?

Haven’t dared to check yet 😅

[ancient viper]

When I launch POB the green loading disappears and POB just closes.

How to fix this issue?

[carmine merlin]

If you haven't updated PoB in a while, run it as admin and it should work

[bronze kestrel]

Famous last words.

[mortal bone]

😄 yeah, lua isn't that bad

[frank kayak]

do medium clusters not show the cluster for anyone else in PoB? (test import 110011 Arrojadoa)

its a freshly extracted 2.9.0 portable started with an old wine

oh those are old aura mediums - were they removed by accident? i think they should just be legacy

[ivory echo]

lua is so 2010 when everybvody ran Redisa and single thread still dominated the performacne benchmarks.

never seem to be as fast as some claimed (the guy from Redis had a very good sober view I think)., but everything else seems to have blown nby it.

I write soem bode to try and dispalay the passive tree (wasnt as easy as i thought it would be), and even my shitty jacascript that looks liek C is probably faster.

[modern patio]

from the API the Items have a InventoryId what does that reference? would that match a character / stash id?

[civic crane]

@compact isle https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3187224 Your comment is welcome 😄

[compact isle]

they're not explicit mods so that request makes no sense

[civic crane]

so using count filter group is unavoidable to find cheap item (or at least to find item with 5+ stats combination). Sadge

[smoky flame]

Wait there's gonna be no way to search thru Scourged items?

[compact isle]

you'll be able to search them of course you'll just have to use the specific (scourge) # filters

[smoky flame]

Ah gotcha, thanks 😄

[hidden marlin]

Fuckin' eh, awesome job everyone

also really liking the new flairs for my homies in the community

[golden bane]

I think you mean "fuckin' A"

[hidden marlin]

I'm canadian, we use eh too much

sorry

[frank drift]

also sorry too much

[rain pasture]

sorr-eh

[modest pumice]

I am getting a bug where if I open a build with previous tree, the entire window starts flickering red

[compact isle]

just pushed a skill tree update with some balance changes

https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export

[modest pumice]

seems to have sorted itself out after a dozen restarts of program

[grave wren]

Poor Jason getting awoken another time

[keen dragon]

current PoB still uses the 3.15 evasion formula in calcs.hitChance, the new calculation should be local rawChance = accuracy / (accuracy + (evasion / 5) ^ 0.9) * 125

[oak estuary]

https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/pull/3354

[keen dragon]

cool, ty

[grave wren]

https://reddit.com/r/programming/comments/qashy0/the_day_my_script_killed_10000_phones_in_south/

Am I the only one weirded out by the lack of introspection what really caused the issue

[frank drift]

working a shit job?

[grave wren]

No job could be so shitty that you'd do that stuff imo

Gotta have a bit of professional pride to not just generate random imeis on prod to test something

[frank drift]

I don't blame the guy at all

[grave wren]

I do

[frank drift]

I blame both his employer and Samsung

[grave wren]

You don't just do that shit prod with no logs and no testing beforehand

[frank drift]

I've mostly had jobs like that where everything's done by the seat of your pants so I sympathize

[grave wren]

Can't just blame management if you fuck up colossally imo

[frank drift]

no logs and no testing is the company's fault and the industry's fault, not his

he's not getting paid to log or test

[grave wren]

Wat

Testing and logging is part of a swe job especially if you do risky shit

[frank drift]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/6ez8ag/accidentally_destroyed_production_database_on/

classic example

there are almost no personal failures, just organizational failures