tooldev-general

[lone ingot]

formatting issues are the bane of parsing really

why did we invent the tab character huh

two invisible characters, what could go wrong

[ebon kernel]

wtb everything in json so my peon js skills can be used without too much thinking

[worthy cape]

Have you looked at hideout exports?

They are JSON with duplicate keys, which is a perfectly legal thing but which approximately all libraries just yolo into a dictionary and go la, la, la 🙉

Had to do SAX-style parsing of them in Python and C++ to not lose decorations.

[lone ingot]

the more you know, didnt realise duplicate keys in JSON were a thing lol

"The names within an object SHOULD be unique." from rfc7159

"should" not "must"

[worthy cape]

One of the specs, maybe more Informal, recognizes its a place where implementation choice happens.

If you like JSON, things like v4 material graphs are probably the more regular and boring.

Mostly because people don't typically hand-edit those.

[lone ingot]

i don't even get really, if you are mapping out multiple things isn't it only 2 additional characters [ and ] to represent them in an array? over doing {thing: {}, thing: {}}

well less than 2 chars really because you also remove : from every following entry

i guess it's still there because things were built around it haha, i just can't see an advantage like payload size or w/e

[ebon kernel]

speaking of duplicated jsons keys, I actually forgot I had to deal with that yesterday as i combined all the stat files into one

  {
    "key": "base_can_gain_banner_resource",
    "value": [
      "While you have this Skill and have no placed Banner, you can gain Valour",
      "While you have this Skill, you can gain Valour"
    ],
    "type": "active_skill_gem"
  },
  {
    "key": "base_can_gain_banner_resource",
    "value": [
      "While you have no placed Banner, you can gain Valour",
      "You can gain Valour"
    ],
    "type": "aura_skill"
  },

had to provide the type as a file name ref

[worthy cape]

Maybe a happy little accident that was relied on, based on the grammar.
Maybe something that made it easy to emit without too much buffering, particularly if you're translating from something that does allow them.

[worthy cape]

@velvet fog The tooltip on pages like https://poe2db.tw/us/Chaos_Infusion seem a bit off, having both levels and weird ranges (-25)%, (0-50)% for the mods on the support, with a list of Level Effect that seems irrelevant too.

[kind dirge]

Hey @velvet fog, it looks like something is wrong with the tooltip localization for the Ascendency pages. No matter what language I select from the menu bar, they never change and are seemingly random.

-https://poe2db.tw/us/Infernalist (Russian)

-https://poe2db.tw/us/Blood_Mage (Korean)

-https://poe2db.tw/us/Titan (French)

Just a few examples. Pretty funny bug, but thought you'd want to know.

[merry carbon]

Anybody know a way to get what things are currently on sale and also calculate when the next stash tab sale is? PoEDB has it on their website but afaik there is no way to retrieve this data via HTTP requests from anywhere

[frank drift]

stash tab is simple, every 3 weeks, unless it falls on a league start weekend, in which case it's the week after

I think chuanhsing has said before how he gets sales, you could try to find it in the search, but I expect he's just crawling the sale page

[merry carbon]

Seems like you'd have to do some of the sales manually then since league starts aren't consistently spaced out, that sucks.

[merry carbon]

Thanks!

[frank drift]

yes, but they're generally announced at least a month ahead of time

[lyric cliff]

A sneak peek at the website I've been working on lately, hopefully I'll announce the beta soon with more details.
Huge thanks to everyone who gave me advice here and helped with navigating the path of exile 's data exports and PoB related questions ❤️

[tall oyster]

Does someone have a repo for creating gem or item images? thought someone posted something here a bit ago (poe2)

[velvet fog]

what's kind of images?

[tall oyster]

mimicking the in game hover cards

like what you have on the db

really only need for gems, working on an update to my quest tracker

[ashen aspen]

yes, i wrote a library for that

https://github.com/marconett/poe2-item-canvas-renderer

[ashen aspen]

although gem rendering is kind of rudimentary as far as i remember

[tall oyster]

Thanks!

[velvet fog]

The Prohibited Library channel has noticed a discrepancy between the Mods.dat weights in the Poe1 game files and the recombinators' results. The game files also don't reflect the patch notes' "Sceptres, Staves, Rune Daggers, and Wands now roll Attack Modifiers less often." The recombinators' results are consistent with the patch notes. Will the Mods.dat weights be removed or will they no longer be used as a reference?

[tall oyster]

Totally unnecessary tool but I made it for my own purposes and thought I would share it https://github.com/juddisjudd/poe2-log-viewer

[tall oyster]

have a few more tweaks i need to do and need to finish the campaign with my fresh log lol but pushed 1.0.0 which has better categorization and search now

search is quite fast

[ashen aspen]

you should implement triggering webhooks based on regex ;)

maybe that's out of scope for this log viewer. but i like being able to get notifications for poe trade messages

[tall oyster]

funny enough while doing this i was thinking about discord webhook stuff but doesnt make much sense in this tool, potentially with my quest tracker though

holding off doing more work on that until we see what happens in 3.0

[faint spade]

250MM-300MM per day on average over the first month of this league for me. sitting at almost 15 billion overall for the league.

[dapper vale]

Good to know, thanks!
Thats a few gigabytes huh

[faint spade]

Its large, but as you alluded to a lot of that data is pretty redundant. By the time i do the diff and only consider items listed for sale, the number of items left is way less than 1 percent the original number.

[molten kernel]

hi friends, had a quick question. certain skills have a datamined projectile speed value (e.g. fireball = 1040). i was wondering if anyone knew what the unit rate are for this? is it like units per second, or..?

[velvet fog]

1040 from projectiles.datc64

[molten kernel]

is it known what that value actually stands for, though? 104m/s doesn't seem realistic for fireball

[velvet fog]

not sure, could be 10.4 unit/second

[blazing fern]

Hey folks, random question here: Did anybody ever look into the .dat and figure out which NPCTextAudio is triggered on which wave of a Simulacrum?

For some context: I'm the dude trying to get Exile Diary back in shape hehe. I have been working on automating pulling strings and static data from the game but wanted to see if I could read that part from some .dat files instead of hardcoding that part

[velvet fog]

https://poedb.tw/us/FlavourText?q=Simulacrum

[blazing fern]

I was looking at that, and I think it's all the number seems to be the DeliriumVoiceSimulacrumX- lines, but the number does not match the wave number unfortunately. 1 triggers when you see the NPC I believe, 2 on wave 1, and 3 on wave 3 or something

[shadow peak]

1.04 nearby/second 😵‍💫 🔨

[velvet fog]

use statistical methods to record the frequency of each paragraph to determine which ones are used in which stage.

[blazing fern]

Unfortunately that sounds like my only option yeah

[fair ledge]

I guess you could ask someone who afks sims for their client file

[blazing fern]

I think I need videos to match them. The client file does not log which stage it is. I couldnt find recent full runs but I could just run that myself, or check some streams

Oh, I have actually been running Deli farm strats for some tests of the app recently, I got 6 simulacrums just waiting there lol

[fair ledge]

if he only says it once per wave tho

[blazing fern]

Yup, but all I need is to identify what wave it was and note it down 🙂

With my logs + a pause at the end of a wave I should be good I think... as long as I can make it through the whole simulacrum lol

[blazing fern]

Welp... I am not good enough and failed at 11. I'll go ask some folks to help another day. If anybody finds where that is defined in the .dat in the meantime...

[carmine merlin]

It’s 104 units per second from memory
SkillArtVariations is the dat used to link projectiles.dat and the skills themselves ( I have a spec for this with all the keys that I can publish if needed)
I was working on adding all the proj speed info to PoB a while ago but didn’t finish work on it yet

[shadow peak]

I assume the exp calculations in PoB2 are just placeholders, right? Or are they actually identical to PoE1?

[carmine merlin]

placeholders from PoE 1. Have GGG talked about changing the formula?

[shadow peak]

I don't think so. I was just curious and wanted to make sure. I'm trying to get some early/basic PoE2 work done before the announcements.

[gilded tree]

I found a few full runs for poe2, maybe sounds are identical?

[carmine merlin]

@molten kernel type skillartvariations { Id: string AnimatedArt: [MiscAnimatedArtVariations] BeamArt: [MiscBeamsArtVariations] EffectPacksArt: [MiscEffectPacksArtVariations] ObjectArt: [MiscObjectsArtVariations] Variants: [string] BuffVisuals: [BuffVisualsArtVariations] VariantID?: [i32] ProjectileArt: [ProjectilesArtVariations] Stat: Stats MonsterVarieties: [MonsterVarietiesArtVariations] ActiveSkill: [ActiveSkills] GrantedEffect: [GrantedEffects] }

PoE 2 file is a bit different with a few more columns and some different names for 2 of the dat files

[blazing fern]

Maybe? If you have a match of text to wave I’ll take it

[dusky flame]

what data files are needed to properly stitch together gem info? I want to try and automate for my own use, was looking and it seems like:
activeskills.datc64
activeskilltype.datc64
activeskillweaponrequirement.datc64
gemtags.datc64
skillgeminfo.datc64
skillgems.datc64
skillgemsupports.datc64
supportgems.datc64

[swift beacon]

Depending on what info you want, there's also:
GemEffects.dat
GrantedEffects.dat
Stats.dat
ItemExperiencePerLevel.dat
ClientStrings.dat

[oak estuary]

Someone posted a nice graph of how those tables are related, but I'm having trouble searching for it in Discord

[dusky flame]

gotcha

thanks for the info

[paper plank]

Don't know if this is the right place but here goes;

I’m working on a Path of Exile Archipelago randomizer and it’s finally in alpha!
Looking for testers to dive in, find bugs, and help shape it.

Archipelago is a cross-game randomizer where items, unlocks, and goals are shuffled between players and even between different games. In this PoE version, we can’t change the game directly, but we can read your character data and logs, then tweak your item filter to match your randomized progression.

Your “loot” might be:

• A new skill gem
• Permission to equip a higher rarity item
• More passive points or flask slots
• Even your ascendancy class

Goals can be finishing the campaign or taking down endgame bosses.

It’s chaotic. It’s weird. It’s fun. And yes -- there will be bugs.
https://github.com/stubobis1/Archipelago/releases
If you want to help me DM me, add any Issues, or post in the "Archipelago After Dark" discord ( google or dm me for link, bot removes the discord server link) under future-game-design > path of exile

[tall oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[fair ledge]

sounds neat, though I can't find the Poe thread under future games

[paper plank]

It has to be in the ap after dark chanel

Ill put a link to the discord for questions in the readme

[paper plank]

Archipelago is a multigame randomizer. This adds PoE to archipelago

[tall oyster]

Not a Poe tool or related thing so this channel really isn't the right place for that

[worthy cape]

You can tell by the name, ArchiPoElago 😉

They're inquiring about what kind of information can be obtained from PoE clients and APIs about PoE things, that aspect seems fairly on-topic to me.

[tall oyster]

[worthy cape]

I like the idea, tool-assisted artificial external ruleset to play PoE by for additional challenge.

[paper plank]

That's a really good description

I also like ArchiPoElago lol

[paper plank]

I actually already implemented it, this is a functional bit of software (I need to iron out bugs though)

so I need playtesters

[outer jay]

I think this channel is more about how to develop rather than looking for users, perhaps try the subreddits?

[paper plank]

1. I want playtesters before posting to reddit, I want to find and crush bugs so it can be a smooth experience.
2. I posted in PoE 1 general, and they said for me to post here.

[bright ridge]

Started to see some CloudFlare issues on our OAuth flow for Chaos Recipe Enhancer (we haven't pushed any client updates in the past few months)

Where there any changes to the auth stuff by chance? New requirements anything like that

[compact isle]

missing a user agent in the right format

enjoy this public shaming 😂

[bright ridge]

Lol oopsie dasie, definitely an easy fix. A regression for sure - I remember patching this in last year. Thanks for the quick response!!

[sharp mulch]

// ==UserScript==
// @name         Abyss socket filter for poe trade
// @version      2025-08-02-3.26-Merc-League
// @description  Adds abyss sockets to trade filter on pathofexile.com/trade
// @author       Krakenbul
// @match        https://pathofexile.com/trade/search/*
// @icon         https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?sz=64&domain=pathofexile.com
// @grant        none
// ==/UserScript==

(function() {
    document.body.innerHTML= document.body.innerHTML.replace("@change=\"updateInt('w', $event.target.value)\" \n                :disabled=\"unavailable || disabled\">","@change=\"updateInt('w', $event.target.value)\" \n                :disabled=\"unavailable || disabled\"><span class=\"sep\"></span>\n            <input type=\"number\" min=\"0\" max=\"6\" step=\"1\" class=\"form-control socket abyss\" \n                :class=\"{'modified': value.w != null}\" \n                :placeholder=\"translate('A')\" \n                :value=\"value.a\" \n                @change=\"updateInt('a', $event.target.value)\" \n                :disabled=\"unavailable || disabled\">");
})();

Userscript for adding abyss sockets to the socket filter in trade, useful for searching bugged abyss socket items
(just uses simple string substitution to replace the tail-end of the white socket HTML template with itself + an identical abyss socket template appended to it, probably not the best way to do it but I'm not a userscript/js dev)

Easier solution for searching these items is a pre-crafted URL that makes use of the abyss socket filter:
https://pathofexile.com/trade/search/Mercenaries/E8MlO5KS5
I believe this allows you to edit everything about the search query while retaining the abyss socket but I haven't tested it. I also don't know if trade links expire.

[frank drift]

they do expire; I think it's around 100 days without being used, or a site update can expire them any time, so don't rely on short URLs

[dusky flame]

is there anything for decoding pob links or is just base64 encoding? was hoping to make something to extract gems used in a pob (for poe2)

hope that makes sense

[worthy cape]

Base64url-encoded zlib-deflated XML

[dusky flame]

thank you!

[rose gyro]

any dev of craftofexile here? wondering how they managed to get data on jewel mods. if i understand it correctly, they are the mods with domain 'atlas'. but they don't seem to have spawn_weights? (looking at https://repoe-fork.github.io/poe2/ -> mods.json)

[rose gyro]

@serene siren kindly pointed me towards https://www.craftofexile.com/weightings, i guess that must be it 🙂 further up i read that originally no spawn_weights were included at all, for any item; now they seem to be 'obfuscated' into just 1 or 0, so at least we know which mod can appear on what kind of base type (which is enough for my use case). but that only seems to have been done for the item mods, not for the jewel ones, which still don't have any spawn_weights at all.

[hexed mesa]

what are the odds merchant stash tab items end up in psapi

[worthy cape]

50/50 😛

Either it does, or it doesn't.

[compact isle]

no public stash API for poe2

[hexed mesa]

fair enough, assumed we are getting this in poe1 eventually though

[hazy fiber]

means you have 2 months to figure it out for poe1 if async trade comes to poe1

[compact isle]

we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

I suspect they'll be included unless something goes awry

[strong patio]

Possibly just have to figure this out on launch but ill ask anyway. Is the async trading limited to just non currency items? Or is there no limits. Anyone can list anything in theory even stuff listable on faustus.

[compact isle]

there are limitations, nothing in the currency exchange can be listed

[dusky flame]

this is probably a dumb question but what determines the gem colors (poe2)? is it just the stat req?

[tall oyster]

POE2 Quest Tracker now supporting importing POB codes to get gems from build for the "Gem Progression" panel. Just waiting on data for quests for Act 4 and the interludes.

[faint spade]

Is this a "no stash api soon" or "no stash api ever"

[compact isle]

nothing is set in stone

[shadow peak]

make sure to support pobb.in links.
From personal experience I can tell you that people will try to import those even when it explicitly states "paste/import PoB codes", then wonder why it doesn't work, and report it as a bug. 😵‍💫

[tall oyster]

Good point, will do for sure, thanks!

[lyric cliff]

from experience you can support just the link, and people will try to post the PoB codes, even though the placeholder text is https://pobb.in/...
so ye, support both 😅

[plain mural]

Is better trading still actively developed? I was thinking about a rewrite in something which isnt ember.js

[hollow phoenix]

MTD — 9:57 PM
Is there some alternative to PoE2 overlay in terms of trade QoL (like highlighting an item, sending a notification in discord, etc.)?
Do any of the open source like Sidekick or Exiled Exchange 2 have it?

[somber mortar]

Poe lurker

[hollow phoenix]

thx

[tall oyster]

alright pob code and pobb.in links are supported 😛

[hollow phoenix]

Nice, looks good man!

[tall oyster]

now just need quest info

[hollow phoenix]

Say maybe you'll know - is there some legit way of obtaining a player's stash items stats?
I saw that there's no official API for that, but is it available locally on the machine in the logs or something?
I'd assume not, but wanted to try to develop something and the API limit is a huge bummer

[frank drift]

https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/reference#stashes

[hexed mesa]

given that they have poe-2 tag role id assume they are interested in poe2, also the question earlier

[hollow phoenix]

Yeah sorry meant for poe 2

[frank drift]

not for PoE2 yet afaik

[hollow phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-15861633468404990584

[frank drift]

as if I can tell 3px x 3px icons apart

[oak temple]

Hey pals anyone know the default resolution of heist locks or if we have an image we can use at hand somewhere for template matching (the curio ones that are on the left and right side of the banner with the item name)

[echo thistle]

hello Lovely People Of #tooldev-general ❤️

i made a free hour-long video where i make a poe2 trade tool from scratch. it covers stuff like the trade site api, mapping stat ids, hotkey functionality, etc. i used this channel waaay back when i was getting started so i thought i'd share the video here, check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQCnd2uVx8c

[tall oyster]

I kind of wish anyone who makes videos about coding with AI would start pushing people to at least try and learn the fundamentals of programming so they can maybe understand the code being generated to some degree. (not bashing your video by the way at all, all though at that length I would add some chapters lol)

[echo thistle]

i totally agree--fwiw we review every single line of generated code in the vid. i did add chapters (theyre in the description) but youtube doesnt add it to the timeline for some reason lol

[tall oyster]

oh weird i see now, youtube doing youtube things

[exotic egret]

Disgusting that the LLM suggests a chrome user-agent when you were doing that bit

[echo thistle]

hahaha totally, absolute slop

[tall oyster]

Finally pushed a bunch of new updates to https://divineview.app/ auth is working now with your POE account so you can view/edit/sync your filters. Getting closer to having the loot drop simulator done. Been sort of if a pita lol

[rose gyro]

what would be the fastest reliable way to get access to 0.3 game data? can data already be mined from the torrent file they release, if i'm not mistaken 1 day in advance? does https://repoe-fork.github.io/ get updated quickly?

[oak estuary]

Usually the torrent won't contain the data files, so you have to wait until the patching server is up on release day. Figuring out new data columns/tables takes a bit, so most tools like repoe might update with known values relatively quickly, but if things moved around a lot it'll take longer

[rare lodge]

Hey y'all 😄 Helping add to the PoE2Wiki some with a page dedicated to community websites ( https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/List_of_Path_of_Exile_2_community_websites ) so it can be a useful resource for the Subreddit. I'm only aware of the websites that I use, but if you are building a site or even enjoy some other webpage that's not already on the list, please feel free to add it. Or if you ask nicely I can add it for you if you don't want to make a PoEWiki account.

(PoE1 has a similiar wiki page: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/List_of_Path_of_Exile_community_websites if you're only working on a PoE1 website)

[cobalt wolf]

Hey!
I think it was in the 0.2 release that i asked here if https://repoe-fork.github.io/ could get updated,
and learned that the maintainer was in bad health.
We got the updates, it was just a little bit delayed.

Sadly i don't remember their username.
I hope their health has improved.
Just wanted to ask what expectations we could have for the update of this repo for the 0.3 release?

[hexed mesa]

@zenith zodiac

though looking at the repo there was a commit last week

[lyric cliff]

So now that I officially made a Tool for PoE and announced it in the subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1mv3nza/introducing_poeez_a_contextual_build_guide_and/)
how do I get this cool Tool-Developer badge and that green shimmering name effect? 👉 👈

the tool is https://poeez.com/.
it's a contextual build guide, where you can attach builds to your characters and compare your progress compared to them.

it's still in early stages, and the most feature complete parts are the campaign guide and skill tree views. but I'm planning on working on it a lot more.
you can easily import any build from PoBbin and split it into progression steps.
Or you can search for other builds people have imported based on skill names, classes or a creator name

[velvet fog]

what's the trade name this league?

• The Third of Edict
• Edict
• Rise of the Abyssal
• Abyssal
  https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Dawn of the Hunt

[hazy fiber]

assume thrid edict is the expansion, and somthing to do with abyss is the league

[velvet fog]

they use the league name as promotion words too

[somber mortar]

guessing "Rise of the Abyssal" due to clip in the content reveal

[velvet fog]

good catch

[echo thistle]

it'll also be in https://www.pathofexile.com/api/trade2/data/leagues after launch if you need it programmatically 👍

[somber mortar]

Didn't know that api got enabled for poe2, nice

[clever thistle]

Rise of the Abyssal Abyssals? 😄

[tall oyster]

@lyric cliff #tooldev-general message

[hexed mesa]

to whom it may concern, flavourTextParsed was removed from Item definition in the docs even though theres no mention of it in the changelog. which is probably because its not ever set as far as i can tell. made me feel schizophrenic for a moment though and had to check the old docs page on web archive lol

[zenith zodiac]

l have recovered and should be able to update repoe the weekend after the release

[cobalt wolf]

thank you so much for the reply and good news.
cheers!

[rose gyro]

you mean the weekend of the release (staurday 30th), or the week after that?

another question you might be able to help with: didn't this used to work, to list the artwork, and download an image? am i doing something wrong? https://www.ggpk.exposed/poe2/art/2ditems/amulets/basetypes
https://image.ggpk.exposed/poe2/art/2ditems/amulets/basetypes/crimsonamulet.dds?format=webp

[zenith zodiac]

oh it's 3 days from now, wow l have not been keeping track. should be all good to update the code this weekend.

[zenith zodiac]

there have been problems with that site since l moved the file index to D1, l've been working on a fix but it wasn't a high priority

[hazy fog]

send a modmail and ask.

noone from mods bothers reading here

Hey Novynn, if you read this inquiring minds want to know if 'the web guy'[you] has help now that he has two front ends to maintain 🙂 the subreddit sends you their energy

[compact isle]

it's not just me working on it but it has occupied a lot of my time recently 😅

[velvet fog]

does in-game market browser have live search?

[worthy cape]

Does it matter for tools?

[frank drift]

I feel like either the page or the video said no live search

[hazy fog]

is zao the help

[echo thistle]

what do yall think this means for price checking trade tools? a trade tool still automatically fills out the trade filters for a given item and that's useful, but id imagine ggg ships that feature next? thatd be awesome

[compact isle]

I'm like 2 leagues away from deleting livesearch

it's a terrible terrible system

(only half /s)

there are a few interesting tool-related trade things for this patch but nothing explicitly endorsed so I'm keeping quiet 😄

[echo thistle]

awesome, mega excited for everything so far--thanks for your hard work ❤️

[clever thistle]

grats ggg on the new trading features!

[compact isle]

https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/changelog#4-3-0 preview

(yes the updated time is tomorrow, I'm a time traveller)

auction house API now

[clever thistle]

wait... so... next month? 😄

[compact isle]

I am exempt 👼

though now people call the async trade system an auction house too

sigh

[worthy cape]

My favourite term from the community is "flea market stall".

[ebon oasis]

garage sale

[compact wigeon]

okay hold on that currency exchange API is cool as shit

[gilded tree]

I feel like we should use one of the other names

[compact wigeon]

Centralized system for exchange of fungible tokens of value?

[loud flint]

Wow all Novynn needed to finish it was for me to join the company

You're welcome everyone

[gilded tree]

Let’s go with that

CSEFTV

[compact wigeon]

Surely I'll be put in charge of the department with the primary responsibility of assigning appropriate names to a variety of things, aka DWTPROAANTAVOT

[clever thistle]

car boot sale 🚗 🇦🇺

[urban vortex]

what's the best/most up to date data source for POE2? I'm looking for stats, skills, passives, etc

[tall oyster]

well we need to wait until the day before or day off when we get the download

or you can check what the db has so far

[urban vortex]

yeah current data is fine, but also would like to get the updated data soon after 0.3 release

[tall oyster]

then yea you'll need to wait until we actually get the download, then you can parse yourself or wait for this to get updated or any of the other options

[urban vortex]

thx

[rose gyro]

any resource on parsing the data ourselves? is there a tool to help with that, something like VisualGGPK2, for poe2?

[tall oyster]

https://snosme.github.io/poe-dat-viewer/
https://github.com/repoe-fork/repoe
https://github.com/poe-tool-dev/dat-schema

[lone ingot]

I'd suggest poe-dat-viewer as a starting point, the library is great

[velvet fog]

Ixchel's Torment shares the same name in both unique strongbox and lineage support

[urban vortex]

what's the data source for poe2db.tw? I'm trying to figure out how it associates mods with items. For example I'm looking at the data from REPoE 2 and I can't see any association of the HOWA's mods with the HOWA item in any of the JSON files

I see the IncreasedAttackSpeedPerDexterity mod in mods.json but there isn't anything binding that to the HOWA item in any file

[carmine merlin]

There is nothing in the game files that links uniques to their mods. poe.db pulls them from the trade site which is why it shows the trade data below the unique on the same page

[urban vortex]

I see thx. So there is no single definitive source of truth for all info, kinds of needs to be glued together from different sources?

[carmine merlin]

Yep, Uniques are all from trade data or manual in the case of pob. Item data is mostly in the game files in the GoldModValues dat file, but this doesn't include the mod spawn data for jewels and some other gear pieces so it's a bit of a mess

[urban vortex]

😭

[clever thistle]

ggg thinks this is a buff 🤷

[oak temple]

hey pals, anyone know of a tool that generates item banners based on names and stuff api or tool?
want to try and make like a display of "last 5 items kind of thing here" and like list them either as an image or a 'fake' creation where the placeholder one piece image is

by banners I mean like these, could make my own but would be nice to know if one exists to not waste time 😅 (thanks in advance for the help <3)
Actually nvm this could be fun to try out

[frank drift]

https://github.com/Path-of-Tools/poe-item-display ?

[oak temple]

perfect ty

[rose gyro]

The patch notes mention this: "The Embroidered Gloves Base Type (not the one used by the Leopold's Applause Unique Gloves) has been renamed to Embellished Gloves."
The item filter changes mention under 'Removed Items' that 'Embellished Gloves' were removed. It was renamed and then removed, did I interpret this correctly and is this intentional?

[hazy fiber]

Possibly the other way around, removed the old one and renamed the other to it? but for GGG to clarify I guess

[zenith zodiac]

I believe this is fixed now, though I won't be sure the update process works until the next pacth is released (d1 charges by rows written, so the code now creates a diff of the file listing and updates the database instead of deleting the whole thing and reinserting 3 million rows after every update)

[zenith zodiac]

I don't like to admit it (probably everyone in this channel is here because we like to see data) but hiding information is probably good for the overall health of the game. back when mtg had a competitive scene there was a time that they massively cut down on the amount of information they were sharing (iirc the had been posting full decklists of every deck that 5-0d a mtgo league) because there was a feeling that the meta was getting stale within a week or two of every new release.

[zenith zodiac]

pob's data is exported here https://repoe-fork.github.io/pob-data/poe2/Uniques/, in case that helps

[frank drift]

I would say good for the company, bad for the game

[hazy fiber]

I think it depends heavily on many factors, if there is info some people have and its hard to obtain and that gives them an advantage that can feel really bad and can be bad for the game, but otherwise hiding more info that players dont NEED to know, like unique items before they showup on trade, or drop rates of things, is good for the game

[frank drift]

I was pretty heavily involved with MtG decklists and there it was pure security theater, just trying to artifically slow down formats being "solved" to appease casual players

throwing GP decklists in the trash was criminal

I don't necessarily mind mod weights not being in PoE data but it's a bit silly since they're easily solved with recombinator, it's just wasting a bunch of people's time for no really good reason

[strong patio]

Probably GGG would sooner tweak the values leaked by recombinator than change up their stance

And abviously add some sort of randomness to recomb costs

[zenith zodiac]

yeah l would say that hiding mod weights was kind of problematic, since it felt like the only people who would be able to find that data were monopolists like tft or belton. bred paranoia

[hazy fiber]

mod weights, vendor recipes and timeless jewels are examples of things I dont like hidden,
but I do like eg unique items being hidden ( until they showup on trade )

[frank drift]

that's totally inoffensive yeah

hiding stuff like mod weights can erode trust in the playerbase too, since players can be suspicious of the developer doing stealth nerfs

some of the worse developers whose games I've played did every buff/nerf stealth (SSG/Turbine) and it created a pretty hostile player base

you'd get on for the day and your build suddenly didn't work any more and you had no idea why

short of reading the info from people who were cheating

[worthy cape]

I wouldn't necessarily put mod weights in the same category as sim computations and drop rates.

Crafting is a rather distinct thing from actual gameplay mechanics and where you focus your play.

Should crafting be completely transparent? That's a big question 😄

[velvet fog]

this is why we call it the casino currency in poe2, rng, and black box

[loud flint]

On the topic of card game, I think Riot is doing some artificial data limitation for Riftbound

[frank drift]

drop rates were data minable in most Turbine games ironically, but stuff like what skills actually did wasn't

eg shiradi one day went from applying infinite boss DoTs to spawning barrels of pork, with zero comment from the devs

[tall oyster]

this is also easy to use https://github.com/marconett/poe2-item-canvas-renderer

[urban vortex]

Does poe2db have an API?

[velvet fog]

Negative

[tall oyster]

POE2 Quest Tracker v1.6.1

• Quest Tracker (With "Optionals" toggle, Act 4 & Interludes have placeholder options until data is available)
• Gem Progression (Import POB Code or pobb.in link for your build, track the gems you need for your build)
• Notes Section (Get notes from imported POB code/pobb.in or manually add notes)
• Saved Regex (Save your regex and easily copy and paste when you need)
• Auto-updater (Easily update the app when updates are published)

[rose gyro]

slick!

[rose gyro]

Two more peculiarities about the item filter changes post (also posted there):

• They mention 'Greater Essence of the Infinite' as being added; yet that already exists as far as I can see?
• They mention "Arcane Robe" renamed to "Arcane Raiment", but there doesn't seem to be an "Arcane Robe" in the game currently; not even as a Unique-specific base type? (trade site doesn't recognize it)

[tall oyster]

has anyone come up with a reliable way to automatically detect reaching new acts (for timers)? wasnt sure if people using timers in poe2 have to manually press something or if livesplit or whatever has as good way of handling it

[frank drift]

livesplit plugin uses the client.txt log like anything else, at least in poe1

never looked at poe2

[tall oyster]

yea thats what i thought it was doing as well

hmm

actually i wonder if for act 1 we check log for:
[DEBUG Client 26704] Generating level 1 area "G1_1" with seed
then start timer when the first occurrence after that is:
[INFO Client 26704] [SCENE] Set Source [The Riverbank]

I assume the other acts would be the same (cleared my logs so can check)

rubber ducking comes in clutch, think i can do auto-timers

[ashen aspen]

i think i'll give this a try tomorrow on league start

[tall oyster]

only thing that of course that wont be ready day 1 is act 4 and interludes of course, since ill be playing probably that night ill at least get the base quests updated and then the optionals and more speed running focused quest litems will be sorted out

[ashen aspen]

ofc. i'll be taking it slow anyways and would want to play the newest act without guides the first time anyway.

[shadow peak]

my timer simply detects the first zone generation of act X, then treats the previous act as completed. worked "reliably enough" for a simple timer that measures individual act-times and total time 🤷‍♂️
it treats the run as complete once you enter the epilogue

[tall oyster]

gotcha hmm are you factoring in loadscreen or anything? thought i saw livesplit does that for poe1 at least

[shadow peak]

luckily, nobody has requested that level of accuracy yet. Most people seem to be content with "net playtime" on a per-act level.

[tall oyster]

i see, well good, good info for me to consider, i apprecaite it!

[carmine merlin]

Torrent out

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3829091

[velvet fog]

I guess there's no data.

[carmine merlin]

Only going at 3.3MB/s so going to take an eternity for me

[clever thistle]

~117GB

[worthy cape]

Guess who has two thumbs and downloaded to the wrong mount?

[hazy fog]

why do you need the torrent can't you just make mark send you it

[worthy cape]

Figured I'd use the spare gigabit host I have back home to bolster the throughput a bit.

[frank drift]

for data hoarding archival purposes

[worthy cape]

Also still curious what's in it, like everyone else ^_^

[carmine merlin]

No index file in the torrent unless I did something wrong

[velvet fog]

ya, just like 3.26, they deleted the index file.

[carmine merlin]

No early data mining (No tree) then for anyone reading this channel

[tall oyster]

rip

Slowly chipping away at requested things. 1.6.3 now supports loadouts for when people have different gem setup using POB loadouts.

[shadow peak]

oh yeah, good idea. I didn't pay attention to that in your last clip -- would've probably pointed that out as something to consider.
(funny) side note: the background being semi-transparent makes it look like OLED burn-in, so I guess your theme names are 100% accurate 😝

[grave wren]

looks cool, ui wise i could see a timeline instead of the dropdown being even more handy

[carmine merlin]

Not sure if you support imports from Maxroll or poe.ninja, as people use those a bunch too

[tall oyster]

right now pob code and pobb.in if those all use the same xml format than i should be able to

[grave wren]

They do

[tall oyster]

perfect then, ill double check those out in a sec, just implemented automatic log file detection for some other features im still griding through

[shadow peak]

@carmine merlin your latest tweet is giving me anxiety.
Does it mean you guys will (try to) push something out between patch servers going up and the launch?
Let's say everything goes smoothly on GGG's end, what does a conceivable timeline of events look like?
What would the hypothetical update (not) include?

[carmine merlin]

Yeah I'm trying to get everything else ready so I can export the tree and quickly push out a small update with it

Will then work on adding all the gems for a patch a hour or so later

[foggy stag]

I did something like that for steam, my work might be of interest for you 🙂 https://github.com/thmsndk/poe2-death-tracker/blob/main/src/poe2-installation-finder.ts i'm on windows though, and use steam, so unsure if the other detections work 😅
you can parse vdf to find the installation directory for steam.

Your app looks nice 🙂

[carmine merlin]

The tree looked to be very similar in format to the 0.2 tree so will probs work first try when running our export scripts. Might need to add some new assets but I think that'd be it

[velvet fog]

Tree from ggg?

[carmine merlin]

Meant the layout. Just new nodes with no new acsendancies so should be easy

[tall oyster]

Thanks, will take a look 🙂

[waxen musk]

Is torrent going to be missing index files again?

[oak estuary]

Already is

[tall oyster]

@foggy stag check is actually pretty easy, check pathofexile.exe process location by simple process check and then just traverse to the known path from exe location since it's relative

[foggy stag]

Makes sense to do it like that with an overlay yeah ☺️

[tall oyster]

Gunna make a hardcore death tracker, max death 1 🤣

[foggy stag]

That's the intention of my death tracker ☺️ and what I used it for

[loud vector]

hey guys, im having an issue with snapshotting our private leagues, the id returned in the character object, is that unique to the character (and constant) or does it change if the character levels etc? ive run into multiple instances where a characters id returned by ggg api is different trying to figure out a solution to make sure the correct character is referenced on pages such as https://smooth-poe.com/leagues/4ef59374-e398-4e28-873e-266ac168b74b/snapshots/cdbbdce8-e396-4535-8b2d-9a108a69d9ad/character/0037015e-135c-4efd-8344-96e826b8ceaa/details

it doesnt appear to be everytime or all characters, seems to be really random but i cant figure out why its happening

[foggy stag]

I had many ideas, but I stopped playing hardcore, then I lost motivation xD

Wanted to track when I died , and if playtime fatigue had any reason to do with it xD

[tall oyster]

I feel ya there, my motivation ebbs and flows, my loot filter editor I've lost motivation lol

[rose gyro]

indeed works again (if i don't launch too many requests ^^), thanks a lot!!

[shadow peak]

gotta love those last-minute ideas that improve a (sub)feature but require a complete rework

[cobalt wolf]

Added support for the 'import' keyword in item filters.

Do we know how the syntax for this looks like?

[frank drift]

should be on the filter syntax page

it's been in poe1 for like a year already, those are just features that are getting re-added to poe2 since poe2 was forked from poe1 before those features existed

[cobalt wolf]

alright, thank you!
i will try to find it

[frank drift]

https://www.pathofexile.com/item-filter/about

[cobalt wolf]

great! thanks for the assistance 🙂

[river sedge]

Only had this happen once and it was a weird rollback kinda situation. Are you sure youre always tracking the same character and not lets say a mule? Also transferring to parent league might mess things up but im not too sure

[loud vector]

yeah its definitely the same character >< im pulling /league/<id>/ladder and then passing off the characters to a secondary service which grabs all their items/pantheons etc using their oauth token

surely the character->id from LadderEntry would remain consistent as its from that specific league (even if they migrated?)

[river sedge]

hmm im not sure if ladder data is consistent but it should be. Im usually just fetching all player characters per user first and did not have problems so far. That also guarantees that you get private profiles

[loud vector]

mm so you fetch the ladder and then what? you fetch /character/<realm> and loop through the character ensuring the character->league value matches the target league?

the character object from /league/<id>/ladder doesnt contain the full character object with items etc like the /character endpoint

[river sedge]

Yeah pretty much. Honestly a bit of a waste of resources probably but i remember running into problems because characters didnt exist anymore one way or another.
You also said you were using the character id from the ladder entry. Id probably just use the character name then call /characters/name and use the id from there to be sure

[storm hull]

Steam download is up

uh sry wrong chan 🙂

[rose gyro]

filters already validate against 0.3.0

Line 42 : Unable to parse parameter for BaseType rule: No base types found exactly matching "Coral Circlet";
Line 77 : Unable to parse parameter for BaseType rule: No base types found exactly matching "Diviner Cuffs";

"Coral Circlet" is the base type of unique "Crown of Eyes"
"Diviner Cuffs" is the base type of unique "The Prisoner's Manacles"

no mention of these in the item filter info post, nor in the patch notes. they worked on 0.2.1...

did GGG forget to mention they were removed? or did they never exist and did 0.2.1 not care if we put them in the filter; but 0.3.0 silently no longer accepts them?

[tall oyster]

6gb left in patch and keep getting 403

[rose gyro]

got a 403 too but much earlier

[cobalt wolf]

thanks for info, i will test this as soon as i am able to get into the client.
my filter includes every base type so this could be a problem for me.
i only ignored the items they said they had removed.

[tall oyster]

looks like its moving now

[rose gyro]

seem to be getting the errors on different files

[carmine merlin]

New skill tree dats fyi

[fickle yew]

New tree if you want to play around: https://poe.ninja/poe2/passive-skill-tree/

[cobalt wolf]

that update was very quick.
when will path of building be updated then?

[fickle yew]

Some tooltips look a bit funky like hollow palm and my script had a bunch of warnings. But the tree looks good - Hollow Palm is there at least 🙂

[oak estuary]

Before the servers go live is the goal with the tree. Skills and such will take longer

[cobalt wolf]

thank you 🙂

[ashen aspen]

Spaghettification shows as "23% reduced movement speed", which is highly likely a bug. It had "23% reduced light radius" before

[fickle yew]

I'll look. Thanks

[carmine merlin]

Updated spec for tree rendering so far https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding-PoE2/commit/f7b1a12fc237bf65e14bcf16ada6f15aed96c8b7

[carmine merlin]

PoB has the new tree now. Will update skills and the rest of things in the next update

[molten kernel]

heh

[dapper wigeon]

is there a way to get rid of those (Not supported in PoB yet) clarifications, considering the lines are already red?

[carmine merlin]

That is why there is a config option for it

Also a lot of people have no clue that red = not supported which is why I added the extra tooltip

[frank drift]

I think you mean an Options option

[cobalt wolf]

Did they make it possible to filter unidentified tiers in the loot filter?

[zenith zodiac]

repoe2 export completed, scanning through the diff l don't see any obvious issues (except that i removed mod_types.json, as the source data for it was removed), but if anyone finds any please let me know

[urban vortex]

Is this real

[crude crane]

@carmine merlin
Looks like "Convert to 0_3" doesnt work at all, after pressing its just clear pob, its doesnt even keep skills/items.
for example
https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/2dd2
https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/aa9f
Usually only tree dropped some talents.

Will this be fixed or its time to manualy recreate all pobs from scratch?

[carmine merlin]

Yeah that shouldn't be appearing, let me push a hotfix and it should be fixed in ~5 mins

[carmine merlin]

I pushed the update, you might need to wait a couple mins for GitHub to propagate the files so the update succeeds on your end

[crude crane]

Now it works good, big thx

[carmine merlin]

Np

[fickle yew]

Hah I thought it was a meme image. Fixed.

That was fixed too.. Maybe cache?

[fickle yew]

It's a thing..

[molten kernel]

Apparently it's Lich specific if you jump into the Well? Not sure about specific details.

Ooh, footage of unlock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRV81BRwZ2o

[leaden igloo]

Hey guys, pullin my hair out here, seems like this be the tech savvy place. I am having a bit of an issue with network in game and am wondering if anyone has ran into the same.

So In some instances, the stable ones, my network sits around 31-37ms everythings fine, I can play its gg. Then I zone, now my network is in flux between 31-4000+ it just pingpongs up and down, sometimes dcing, sometimes not. Now, I have found a work around for this, I simply just keep resetting the instance VIA dying, or CTRL-Click on wp and starting a fresh zone until it provides me with a stable instance. That was all well and good, but now I have managed to crawl my self to maps, after battling that for all of act 4 and the interludes.

Is there any chance someone is experiencing something similar? Or even possibly have a way to fix it / calm it down?

[frank drift]

this is not tech support, email GGG if you need tech support

[simple prairie]

You're not the only one, but unfortunately it seems like nobody cares.

[leaden igloo]

yeah my bad g, just figured like the most logical place to ask a tech based question before I send an email off thats never gonna be responded to, but thanks for letting me know!

[frank drift]

GGG support is good about responding, though your response time may vary depending on how busy it is

[hazy fiber]

I mean it seems that they are actively working on fixing it as its orders of magnitude better than 0.2 launch

[hazy fiber]

do you happen to be on the canada gateway? iirc some friends said they fixed it by swapping to another gateway so there might be some issue with that one

as it sounds like a routing issue if its some specific instances but not all ( if you need to remake via death/waypoint and that fixes it )

[simple prairie]

Swapping gateways fixes sometimes, but not always. It will literally just start happening randomly during gaming. It happened in the middle of Act 4 boss for me earlier and still waiting for it to stop.

Tried 5 gateways. 50+ instances. Reset modem. Clear logs.

Rubberbanding back and fourth betwene 40-500ms constantly unplayable

[leaden igloo]

go to off topic @hazy fiber you too

[velvet fog]

https://www.pathofexile.com/item-filter/about
UnidentifiedItemTier

[plain marlin]

hey not sure if this is the right place to ask but i'm trying to learn to create a mock website pulling some stats from poe2 but can't find any available api resource for poe2, and poe.ninja is able to display lots of data from poe2, may i understand how do they achieve it and what i need to do? or point me to the right resource to learn how to do it.

[frank drift]

what in particular?

[plain marlin]

for example in poe ninja it displays total number of characters in the different leagues, but i am only able to list leagues but not the number of characters

[frank drift]

iirc poeninja may have access to a non-public poe2 ladder api, and poeninja also has tons of people that connect to it via oauth

if you want to learn how to use the ladder api, you can try the poe1 ladder until the poe2 is public

[velvet fog]

https://pathofexile2.com/ladder/Rise%2520of%2520the%2520Abyssal

[plain marlin]

i see that makes sense, i guess i can temporarily do it by scrapping the data from the website directly, but that would be against tos i assume

thanks for the help

[zenith zodiac]

l don't think it's directly against tos to pull the data, but in practice you will run into tos issues because of the rate limiting (very limited and it's against tos to work around it)

[clever thistle]

this is unrelated to tooldev

[onyx sky]

Noted i will remove it 🙂

[restive jay]

Heya all, I'm looking for where to get a hold of all the static data, items, their rarities, what mods they can roll, things like that. In the api im familiar with (bungie.net) they call that static data "definitions". is there something like that out there? If it's an end point will I need to register for an API key?

[hexed mesa]

ggg doesnt share such data, you gotta datamine it yourself or use something like repoe. though much of what you asked for isnt in the game files (anymore)

[restive jay]

Gotcha, I did see there wasn't really anything they provide other than the skill trees (after I posted) but repoe seems like exactly what I was looking for, thank you!

[hexed mesa]

make sure you use the updated fork rather than the old one

[tall oyster]

Should be called "repork"

[frank drift]

oh, you can search for uncut gems on the trade site now

[tranquil token]

@velvet fog https://poe2db.tw/us/Undying_Hate Is there a page that compiles information about Undying Hate’s Abyss Notable and Abyss Keystone?

[carmine merlin]

alternatetreeextrapassiveoverridesfromjewelstats.dat incase you're wondering where it is @velvet fog

[crude crane]

@fickle yew is there a chance to add select to show all trees from pob loaded to poe.ninja, not only the one that is chosen last, like on pobb.in?

[velvet fog]

added

[fickle yew]

Yes I want to add support for both multiple item sets and passive trees. Now with the first version of currency exchange out for poe 2 maybe that's what I should spend some time on too..

[tranquil token]

and five Abyss Keystones.

[velvet fog]

added

[frank drift]

btw you can put suggestions on PoB discord

[echo wren]

hey, is there an public API, or public DB for all items and so on for PoE2 (just like Po2DB.tw but I want to have the data to make some local tweaks as m trying to make a companion)

when I say item I mean everything from patches to passive tree

[frank drift]

https://repoe-fork.github.io/

[echo wren]

I appreciate it

[frank drift]

don't know if repoe has trees in it or not, can look at PoB's data for that maybe if you need a tree

[hollow sage]

Is there a way to check the behaviour of a skill without testing it in game? Either looking through the files or using some third party tool? I'm trying to figure out whether the UI is lying to me about certain mechanics in PoE2.

[carmine merlin]

Poedb or PoB are your best bets. I just finished adding all the new gems to PoB last night so will have an update out today with them

[hollow sage]

Thanks as always for your contributions to the community. Have you had to manually test any of the skills to check whether they work as expected?

[frank drift]

ultimately someone has to test in actual combat (or whatever is appropriate)

the results of the testing is generally what PoB uses, if it differs from game data

[worthy cape]

While some aspects of skills are in data, a lot of the logic and glue isn't.

[hollow sage]

I look forwards to seeing the results on Incinerate. Trying to figure it out myself has been driving me up a wall

[carmine merlin]

I haven't tested any skills for PoE 2 yet. Have been basing all of it off a the data on the gems at the moment
I'll probs start playing through the acts in a couple days time so I can actually test stuff this league

[velvet fog]

I'm almost done with my Todo list, but there are still a few more difficult ones left.

[tall oyster]

@carmine merlin would it be safe to say you will map things like "Martial Tempo" to "Rapid Attacks 1" to convert?

hope that made sense

[carmine merlin]

Unfortunately GGG changed a bunch of the gems to be completely different bases in the game files. So we'd have to add manual mapping to all of the previous ones

I'm still not sure if I wanna go down that route cause then we'd have to do it for all future patches

[tall oyster]

gotcha gotcha, I can probably carve out time tomorrow to assist with this

(if needed/wanted)

[carmine merlin]

I'd need to do it today before I release an update

Just looked into it a bit more @tall oyster and we currently save gems to save data as their display name instead of using the games internal ID. Internal Id didn't change so would fix this issue down the line if we switched to using that

["Metadata/Items/Gems/SkillGemCompressedDurationSupport"] = {
    name = "Compressed Duration I",
    gameId = "Metadata/Items/Gems/SupportGemFastForward",
    variantId = "CompressedDurationSupport",
    grantedEffectId = "CompressedDurationSupportPlayer",```

[tall oyster]

gotcha, i think i was looking at this stuff recently and noticed that

there are definitely some gems that their internal name and display have been confusing, i think leap slam or something like that comes to mind

[carmine merlin]

If we switched to gameID, all the tools based on our xml format would need to update too

[tall oyster]

me personally i would lean towards display name since i think that would be less confusion i think

[oak estuary]

Until the display name gets changed into something else...

[tall oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hqrg-well-shit-nodding-nod-gif-14341681

[carmine merlin]

@tall oyster I got it working. Thanks for reminding me about it
Somehow missed that we were saving the gameID to the save file so using it as a fallback if the name has been changed

[frank drift]

saving IDs for the win

[zenith zodiac]

does anyone know where monster power of individual monsters (for warcries, abyss keystone of kulemak, etc) can be found?

[tall oyster]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Monster#Monster

that?

[zenith zodiac]

looking for a number between 0 and 3

Monster Power is a number that approximately reflects how strong and dangerous a monster is. An average monster has a Power of 1, strong monsters can have Power of 2 to 3, and weak monsters might have as little as 0.5, or very occasionally less. This value is then multiplied according to the monster's Rarity:

Normal: 1
Magic: 2
Rare: 5

Unique monsters always have 20 Power.

[sharp mulch]

For the min ilvl feature, the minimum modifier level mechanic in poe2 can't ever fully block mods, it forces the highest eligible tier on each mod for the base even if it's under the stated "minimum level" if there are no tiers available above the minimum level

So you just need to ensure the highest eligible tier (constrained by max ilvl) for every mod is always available regardless of the min ilvl input

It would be nice if there was a tick or something to enable that on poe2db

[velvet fog]

Which currency has a minimum modifier level of 79? Are you referring to the Perfect Orb of Transmutation still rolling affixes below 70 when all ModFamilies are below 70?

[sharp mulch]

Oh no, that was just a random input
I'm referring to this line - "except if a specific modifier type would be excluded entirely".
For example, perfect trans/aug on an ilvl 80 bow base can add t2 additional arrows (55) or t2 proj skills (55).
I just noticed the text is "modifier type", not "modifier". Not sure what modifier type usually refers to in poe.

[velvet fog]

perfect trans/aug on an ilvl 80 bow base can add t2 additional arrows (55) or t2 proj skills (55).
not a bug? haven't started the game yet so I'm confused.

[sharp mulch]

not a bug, expected behaviour based on my interpretation of the text

[hard sable]

anyone know how to fix this? cant get in to boss area

[carmine merlin]

This is not a channel for in-game bugs

PoB update out with all the new gems fyi

[rigid swan]

What channel do I report a game breaking bug in?

[frank drift]

the pathofexile.com forum

[molten kernel]

@nova hamlet I manually mapped every exclusive desecrated mod with their item restrictions as listed on trade:
https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Desecrated_modifier#Exclusive_desecrated_modifiers

[oak estuary]

Do you have the script used to generate this?

[molten kernel]

I did it manually for every modifier.

200+ trade searches

I'm not some tech whiz 😂

some notes: es+ includes es hybrid bases

sceptres have no exclusive mods

time lost jewels have no exclusive mods but can only roll 2 desecrated prefixes or suffixes each (radius size up to med/large, small/notable effect)

jewel mods only roll on normal jewels

jewellery includes belts

the lich's name is relevant for crafting omens

[velvet fog]

no tags on these modifiers

there is no reference or source on the wiki page, which makes people think that the wiki generate by script

[molten kernel]

i will add a note that it was manually compiled?

[velvet fog]

Item Type also needs to be specified from trade searches, not generated

[molten kernel]

ok ^^

[tall oyster]

Just pushed a pretty large update to my quest/gem tracker, also renamed it to "Exile Compass".
Campaign "Guides" can now be submitted via PR just follow the json format I've sorted out now.
https://github.com/juddisjudd/poe2-quest-tracker/tree/main/src/data/guides

[hexed gulch]

sorry to ask such a stupid question but i am looking for all the data to create my own passive tree, is there a location you guys get this from like GGG API?

[velvet fog]

poe1: https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export
poe2: no official, use https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding-PoE2/tree/dev/src/TreeData/0_3

[hexed gulch]

thanks looks like i am looking at the right data

[floral marten]

use the .json tree if you wanna do in web, but keep in mind all assets use DDS

[frank drift]

@velvet fog no desecrated mods listed on this page https://poe2db.tw/us/Sceptres#ModifiersCalc

[velvet fog]

Sceptres do not have exclusive desecrated modifiers

[frank drift]

ah

maybe put a heading with "none" or something?

[velvet fog]

Hi, still can't understand how to determine the specific modifier type. So it can't be programmed.

[tranquil token]

@velvet fog https://poe2db.tw/us/NPCs#TextAudio

Could you add the many NPC dialogues from Act 4, the interlude, and the endgame that were introduced in this league? It feels like a lot of knowledge has been added.

This is a bit separate from my request, but in the past, NPCs used to do most of the talking. However, many of the newly added dialogues seem to be more of an interaction between the player and NPCs.

For example, when an NPC speaks, the player responds, and then the NPC reacts to that response. Would it be possible for Poedb to update so that we can view the entire dialogues in this format? If that’s not possible or too difficult, please don’t worry too much about it.

[velvet fog]

Because there are too many, I don't know how to format them well...

[tranquil token]

Oh, it’s okay. Please don’t worry about it. I don’t want to put too much pressure on a developer who already has a lot on their plate. Take your time.

[velvet fog]

https://poe2db.tw/us/NPCs#NPCTalk

[tawny merlin]

@velvet fog maybe it's already on your TODO list but we cannot see the list of the new desecrated prefix mods on armour pieces https://poe2db.tw/us/Gloves_dex#ModifiersCalc

[velvet fog]

Reveal desecrated modifiers may include base modifiers. Unless you use Omen to guarantee named modifiers.

Body Armour, Gloves, Boots and Helmet do not have Prefix desecrated modifiers.

Sceptres do not have exclusive desecrated modifiers.

Jewel exclusive modifiers only roll on regular jewels, not time-lost jewels.

[sharp mulch]

yeah, no worries, I just take modifier type to mean modifier/modfamily
I implemented it myself for personal use with a userscript by adding one additional conditional in your ilvl_hide_min() function so I'm satisfied 😄

[sharp mulch]

interestingly, named omens can't be used on pieces that don't have prefix desecrated modifiers (even if you force the desecration to a suffix with an omen or if the prefixes are filled)

[velvet fog]

yap, that's strange

[hexed gulch]

thats the struggle right now DDS files

[velvet fog]

The dds file in the .ggpk is encoded in bc7 and compressed with brotli.

[hexed gulch]

i am right the dds files in tree data have multiply images in right

[hexed gulch]

is this the best way to get all the images for the passive tree then?

[velvet fog]

Converting the dds to png shouldn't be too difficult if you have the right tools...

[hexed gulch]

iam using the 0_3 tree data with dds files in but i only get 1 image out the dds files when i am sure there are multiply in it

[velvet fog]

This is the only public repository currently

[hexed gulch]

I understand thank you for your assistance I will keep looking and testing my knowledge.

[nova hamlet]

Nice, thanks!

[floral marten]

It used the concept of texture 2d array, so if you would like to use the dds you need to validate the library you use to draw have texture2d array support

For example pixijs doenst support that, i already create a PR to enable, and i have github that explain how to use pob2 teee info, but only work on windows

I can share if you want it

https://github.com/pixijs/pixijs/pull/11263

Src to use that resources https://github.com/justjuangui/justjuangui.github.io/blob/main/index.html and you can see here https://justjuangui.github.io/, btw is very outdated but a good start

[hexed gulch]

Thank you I will take a look. Very surprised there is not a open source web version of passive tree 😂

[floral marten]

Well still EA

[hexed gulch]

I know but worth me trying every main website manages so it's just my lack of skill and knowledge on the stuff 😂

[tall oyster]

WIP feature someone requested. Quick item checking against imported POB. Will tell you which loadouts the item is matching to (if the pob has loaouts), need to work out more on the scoring for the suggestions (keep, etc...) since I know some people will make a POB and put items in without actually adjusting the item stats much. This project was only supposed to be a successor to heartofphos lol

will probably change the copy and paste to just copy automatically check

[worthy cape]

As trompetin noted, the DDS files in PoB are compressed with Zstandard and are sourced from the games' original BC7 textures.

PoB-PoE2 has the quirk that instead of using multiple images or building sprite sheets, they instead use texture arrays. Each texture dimension gets its own file and the individual images are stored as layers in a texture array. If you decompress the images, you can view these in an DDS viewer aware of texture arrays like RenderDoc.

This was done for performance as you're limited in how many textures you can sample in a single draw call - by stacking into a single texture PoB greatly reduces the number of draw calls needed. Similarly, it uses BC7 block compression instead of something uncompressed like PNGs because it cuts VRAM usage down by 75%.

You've got some various choices when it comes to using the art. Given a sufficiently capable renderer that understands BC7 and texture arrays, you can use them as-is and sample from the correct slice in your shaders. If less capable, you may have to parse the DDS and separate them into individual textures, or maybe even decompress to raw pixel data from block-compressed data.

[cobalt wolf]

Is there any hope for a PoB Linux version?

[tall oyster]

its definitely possible to compile a linux version, its a matter of having a maintainer for that variant

[ashen aspen]

it runs perfectly fine via wine

[tall oyster]

there ya go

[cobalt wolf]

it does crash occasionally for me when running through wine.
(i did not come here for troubleshooting assistance though.)

either way it would be nice to have a native binary.

[worthy cape]

[PoB hat on] SimpleGraphic technically compiles and runs with most functionality on Linux and macOS. It's more a matter of building the stuff around it like the host executable, updating, ensuring that it doesn't write to read-only locations, where user data goes, etc.

It's also a matter of whether one wants to maintain and support it indefinitely as the platform evolves and users find new and exciting ways to break it.

In general, Wine does a good enough job of it across the OSes, even if we had to do some specific hacks and avoid particular functionality to stop Wine from malfunctioning.

[cobalt wolf]

thank you for this insight 🙂

[worthy cape]

pobfrontend has kind of been a sense of false security as PoB's Lua<->C++ API didn't change too much in the past.

Once things started changing as development actually happened, they're in an eternal catchup as there's a plethora of forks and no clear line of communication.

When looking at doing 2D mesh rendering for the passive skill tree arc connectors, I actually wrote a fallback path in pobfrontend to see that it could actually be done there as well. We never ended up using that and even if we did, I wouldn't necessarily know where to upstream it.

Ultimately, with the extremely limited C++ maintainer bandwidth the project has, the effort has to be spent close to home.

[cobalt wolf]

you are working for ggg now?
are you able to work on this for them? or is this a side project for you?

[worthy cape]

I'm working at GGG, yeah, but not on this. PoB's runtime is a hobby project.

It's nicely separate from any internal knowledge I have too, just heaps of fun building and evolving a platform.

[lone ingot]

I'm working on a CLI tool thing that fetches and extracts dat files to a local sqlite DB using the community schema. nothing revolutionary and obviously riding on the shoulders of giants (pathofexile-dat, pogo etc) but thought people might find it cool

sqlite3 exile.db ".mode json" "SELECT
    bit.name AS item_name,
    ic.name AS class_name
  FROM base_item_types bit
  JOIN item_classes ic ON bit.item_classes_key = ic._index
  WHERE bit._patch = '3.26.0.13'
    AND ic._patch = '3.26.0.13'
  ORDER BY ic.name, bit.name" | jq > items.json

[zenith zodiac]

I also have done something like that https://repoe-fork.github.io/webapp/#/sql/1 (~100mb download so the page takes a while to load)

It's what l use to look stuff up when I'm on my phone. I expected there would already exist a web library for exploring it but didn't find anything open source that worked so l used ai to make some barebones result pagination

[oak estuary]

By coincidence I did just have a discussion on current state on this issue: https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding-PoE2/issues/1305

Like zao said, there just isn't enough bandwidth for the team to take on a proper Linux port, especially when wine usually works just fine

[somber mortar]

interesting . . .

[somber mortar]

a "few" interesting things he said, i wonder if there is anything else :)

[carmine merlin]

Someone else had made a storage of an export of all the dats here https://github.com/LocalIdentity/poe2-data (project was transferred to me after previous owner stopped working on it)

I haven’t had time to work on it to fix it up but once up and running it should have a entire history of the dat files so when ggg changes a unknown column we can refer to the patch notes and maybe start figuring out more column names

I’d love to fix it to get it working as I think it’d help us all
I’d also like to sync pobs dat schema with the public one as there are a lot of files that I have figured out that aren’t in there

Too many things to do and too little time to do them all

[worthy cape]

Historical access to game data with analysis? Rings a bell 😉

[lone ingot]

got junction tables working now

sqlite3 exile.db ".mode json" "SELECT
      bit.name AS item_name,
      ic.name AS class_name,
      COALESCE(GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT t.id), 'none') AS tags
  FROM base_item_types bit
  JOIN item_classes ic ON bit.item_classes_key = ic._index
      AND bit._patch = ic._patch
      AND bit._language = ic._language
  LEFT JOIN base_item_types_tags_keys_junction bttj ON bit._index = bttj._parent_index
      AND bit._patch = bttj._patch
      AND bit._language = bttj._language
  LEFT JOIN tags t ON bttj.value = t._index
      AND bttj._patch = t._patch
      AND bttj._language = t._language
  WHERE bit._patch = '3.26.0.13'
      AND bit._language = 'English'
  GROUP BY bit._index, bit.name, ic.name
  ORDER BY ic.name, bit.name"| jq > items.json

[grave acorn]

I dont know if anyone has asked this but is there any realtime hook avalible to devs ?

[frank drift]

no

[grave acorn]

Dang it would be sick to see live drops

[young osprey]

Someone does have a PoB for POE1 up on Flatpak, runs ok

[fickle yew]

I'm using it through Lutris. Also works fine.. But yeah native would be good too.

[formal kraken]

Anyone know if there are plans to publish the Poe2 tree(s) as json? Currently all my tree stuff only works with json and converting Lua output from pob to json is quite a pita

[frank drift]

export is waiting on full website tree support I think?

[carmine merlin]

We can change out export script to do it in json I’m pretty sure

[floral marten]

https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding-PoE2/blob/dev/src/TreeData/0_3/tree.json

@formal kraken ^

[formal kraken]

Oh damn thanks

[formal kraken]

Ah yeah that was also afaik my problem with Lua, the data model doesn't quite match (arrays where there should be maps etc)

Just because Lua dumps tables like that

[velvet fog]

poe2 character and passive tree in tencent

and quest progress

[hazy wigeon]

Is there a specific lootfilter Condition that got added for Exceptional items, or is the way you filter for them via checking socket count against the item class cross section, IE "Helms with 2 sockets" or etc

[shy dagger]

Hello friends, i am trying to create a crafting related tool but i am having trouble parsing the mod weight data.

i found these 2 jsons
https://repoe-fork.github.io/poe2/mods.json
https://repoe-fork.github.io/poe2/mods_by_base.json

but parsing it seems like quite the task.

i was hoping for something a bit more structured like poe2db's mod groups and weights.

is there something that can output similar data or does poe2db have an api i can use?

oh @velvet fog is here

[frank drift]

repoe is (afaik) only game data, and there are no actual mod weights in either poe2 or poe1 data

poedb is going to be the best source of mod weight data afaik

[shy dagger]

where is that data coming from then

[shy dagger]

you can filter for quality >20 or sockets > default max AND not corrupted

[frank drift]

manual testing, through the recombinator mostly

[shy dagger]

that's crazy

[frank drift]

that's poe for you

[shy dagger]

so i guess i do need poe2db's help

so is there a resource or am i supposed to scrape the website

[hexed mesa]

the alternative would be to just loot hundreds of thousands of items to approximate weights, so choose your poison

[frank drift]

there's an easily accessible items_backup variable on pages that has json, you can pull from that

or you could try asking Krakenbul, who afaik provides the data to poedb

[shy dagger]

found it

what's the difference between items and items_backup?

[frank drift]

I rarely have any need for mod weights

[shy dagger]

well thanks, this will do

[cobalt wolf]

Anyone else waiting for repoe to be updated?
i think the maintainer mentioned it would happen this weekend

[zenith zodiac]

it did update. at least l think it did. is there something missing?

[cobalt wolf]

https://github.com/repoe-fork/repoe-fork.github.io/raw/refs/heads/master/RePoE/data/poe2/base_items.json
oh, i'm trying to fetch this file.
maybe it has been moved (?)

[hexed mesa]

repoe data has been moved away from the repo itself

you gotta go to the repoe website now

[cobalt wolf]

oh. could you link?
google is not being very helpful there

will i find the same json file there with item data?

[hexed mesa]

the link is in the repo description

https://repoe-fork.github.io/

[hexed mesa]

probably

[cobalt wolf]

thank you, i found the file 🙂
seems like it indeed had been moved.
wish i knew this earlier

[cobalt wolf]

There's so many items in this file that does not seem to be accessible in-game.
wish there was a way to filter them out.

[frank drift]

check it vs trade

[cobalt wolf]

that is an interesting idea, so just try to query the complete list of all item bases available in trade and then cross check that with the base_items json data?

[frank drift]

I think that's the usual approach

or you might be able to check poedb, I think chuanhsing only tries to show things that are drop enabled

[cobalt wolf]

is there like an easy json API to query or just a link to a json document that could get me started?
would really appreciate it!

[frank drift]

for poedb? you would basically be web scraping, though individual pages have json

[cobalt wolf]

i think json is the easier approach if possible, web scraping can be a pain

[cobalt wolf]

What is the new way to filter skill gems?

i filtered on base type, but seems like it may have been renamed

[frank drift]

you're manually creating item filters?

[cobalt wolf]

i'm writing a program to generate item filters

i think i figured it out actually.
well, i didn't figure out the base type name, maybe it doesn't exist anymore.
the class is named "Uncut Skill Gems" and levels can be filtered by "GemLevel"

[frank drift]

for practical use I'd say just use filterblade, but if you're having fun, go for it

[shy dagger]

@velvet fog Hi, sorry for mention. idk if u read the conversation a few screens above, but is it possible for you to provide the data thats in items_backup for all bases (poe2) through a dump or api or something? otherwise i would have to go to every page and get the data or write a script.

[velvet fog]

write a script

[void perch]

Yoyo - is there a package of icons for poe2 to download anywhere? I mean currency items like on poe.ninja

[zenith zodiac]

inventory icons are extracted by repoe; they can be browsed online at https://repoe-fork.github.io/poe2/Art/, or you can download that whole website as a zip file from the github action; the following link might work to point to the latest build: https://nightly.link/repoe-fork/poe2/workflows/export/master?preview

to link item names to their icon files, see the dds_file link in base_items.json (but change the extension)

[charred lake]

I pulled this down yesterday. It's all of the items variables

I'm assuming items_backup is the same thing

[charred lake]

@velvet fog would you be against me hosting this data on github? I think the community would really benefit from having it readily accessible without having to do any funky to get it

[velvet fog]

I have no plans to make the data into an API, it takes time and has no benefits for the website. There are already many tools available to parse .dat files; it just takes some time.

[charred lake]

That's fine, I just mean if it's ok for me to scrape your site for the json and put it on github for people to use

[void perch]

Thank you! ❤️

[urban vortex]

I was also trying to collate data and I see people asking for APIs all the time in this chat. I've done some work on building a GraphQL API for a definitive source of truth of data, but it will only support POE2 because I have no interest in POE1. Also no promises on when it will be delivered

[charred lake]

Awesome! Would love to give it a shot when it's available 🙂

[charred lake]

Anyone know if the stat format strings are in the dat files? There's a human readable "Text" column in stats.datc64, but I'm looking for eg "+# to Strength"

[oak estuary]

They're in Metadata/StatDescriptions

[charred lake]

Ah, thank you!

[rose gyro]

I'd also be interested, but of course, reliability & speed after new release are key factors; also it existing for poe1 & poe2 would be an important factor for me

I'm currently scraping data together from so many sources, tbh xD

[hasty orchid]

Seems I got rate limited for live searches last night for 3600s (1hr) and now I opened a livesearch and same thing... on the first call rate-limited 3600s. What is going on here?

[cobalt wolf]

So i need a way to get a list of items that are available in-game, most of the items listed in base_items.json are not available.
This should be an automated way, like a download or an API.

Do i use some trade API or scrape wiki?
what's the easiest way?
where would i start?

[somber mortar]

Generally could go by pathofexile.com/api/trade(2)/data/items

Only things to keep in mind is sometimes people get items that they shouldn’t be able to get, and that this requires there to be at least 1 item to be listed on trade, and this I think includes drop restricted items from standard

Nvm looks like it includes a lot of items you shouldn’t yet be able to get for poe2 like daggers

[cobalt wolf]

This link give me a

{"error":{"code":1,"message":"Resource not found"}}

[somber mortar]

Yes probably, you may need to remove the (2) if you want poe1 or change to just 2 if you want poe2

[cobalt wolf]

thanks, i got it now.
it was poe2 i wanted.
It seems to have some issues like you mentioned, are there other solutions i could look for?

[somber mortar]

Basetypes are easy, can of course just filter out any dagger/flails etc. for drop restricted items that are still in standard, 😬, maybe check the patch notes and make a list?

[cobalt wolf]

i did check out patch notes and wiki, made a list of all weapon and armour base types.
i think you may be underestimating the problem, there are over 2000 items in the base_items.json file that are still unaccounted for.
i think a few hundred of them are stackable currency types.

it's not really a job i can do manually

it includes tainted currencies which i'm pretty sure is not available

[main halo]

do you still have this problem

[limber crane]

The current live search issue seems to be coming from GGG side, but for some reason there is yet any response or fix for the issue. There is so many forum posts complaining about it, my live search hasn't been working for nearly 12 hours now (All day basically) and there is yet to seem any recognition or fix from GGG even though there is a lot of forum posts complaining about the issue, nothing to do but wait for now I guess

[oak temple]

wip thanks for the info on the renderers (just need to fix the image paddings and shi but will get to it)

[hazy fog]

assuming novynn is the one to thank for this if not he can pass it on but thank you

[clear gazelle]

can we get our items from poe2 apis yet or nah?

ie for poe1 i can just grab everything using the URL
https://www.pathofexile.com/character-window/get-stash-items?accountName=wormulous%230475&realm=pc&league=Mercenaries&tabs=1&tabIndex=0

but dont see a comparable poe2 way

[velvet fog]

there is a OAuth account stashes api for poe1 too, but not support poe2
https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/reference#stashes

[clear gazelle]

damn really wanted to write something to see all (4-6 mod ) T1/T2 items and just save those but guess thats not happening anytime soon

[hexed mesa]

idk about the website API but oauth apis don't return mod tiers anyway

[clear gazelle]

Can just get the list of mods or tier them yourself once you have the jsons of what you are looking for and ranges (if the return doesnt have it).... most mods are shit anyway so they can easily be tossed

[hexed mesa]

yes, but theres quite a few problems to solve on the way

for example, you only get the array of strings, are 2 line mods a hybrid mod or just 2 mods (think armour mod + life mod vs hybrid armour and life mod), only public stashes api returns the number of prefixes/suffixes so in some cases it could be impossible to actually know what mod combination it is

also not all mods are using the same descriptions, 100% chance to avoid being frozen in game turns into cannot be frozen or whatever, which i think is somewhere in stat descriptions tbf, but still, more parsing

also iirc stat descriptions are weirdly inconsistent in some cases so even more fun for parsing those

[golden knot]

FYI PoE2 was forked from PoE1, so most of PoE1's items are still in the data. They're slowly eliminating some of them but probably leaving most of them in under the hood to make it easy to add PoE's league mechanics later

[velvet fog]

tencent passive tree https://wegame.gtimg.com/g.2002052-r.4de9d/helper/poe2/assets/tree-BKO9Gbna.js

[split hemlock]

sortable list of poe2 attack skills https://kimzxj.github.io/Path-of-Exile-2-Weapon-Skills-Database/

its not like this info isnt accessible elsewhere, but i wanted this overview specifically and i couldnt find one
its not 100% good data, but its what i wanted, and now its publicly available in case anyone else also wants it,
the values in the list are for level 20 gems btw

btw the add, delete and edit buttons only does stuff on your end

i want to add more to it, like all spells, ancestry skills, skills gained from scepters, and columns for cooldowns, columns for what gem quality would do for the skill,
add a functionality were hovering your cursor on the skill shows you the skills actual tooltip, and so on

but im burned out, not too sure if i'll update it or forget about it, i guess it depends if or when i pick up poe2 again, (borderlands 4 release today)

[zenith zodiac]

awesome! that's very helpful

[charred lake]

Hi folks, anyone know where I can find what determines which mod tags are "visible" in game (eg. targettable when crafting). Eg. just mana for this mod. Had a poke around dat files and couldn't find anything that stood out

[charred lake]

Actually nevermind looks like it's if the DisplayString column has a value in the tags file 🙂

[frank drift]

@velvet fog mods are wrong on https://poe2db.tw/us/Bucklers#ModifiersCalc listing energy shield etc instead of the evasion mods

[velvet fog]

fixed, thanks

[tall gust]

that’s interesting, i guess it’s not a ‘guarantee’ that it’s the only requirement right but it’s the best we have

[sharp mulch]

interesting logo design choice

[tranquil token]

@velvet fog https://poe2db.tw/kr/NPCs#TextAudio

In other languages, the text audio is shown as 415, but only the KR language is displayed as 383.

Also, in this 0.3.0c update, the untranslated lines of the NPCs listed in NPCTalk for the KR language have been translated. Could you update it so that the translations are applied?

[tranquil token]

Thank you! And the new logo is really cool!

[velvet fog]

https://poe2db.tw/us/NPCs#NPCTalk
fixed missing NPC names

[oak temple]

Hey pals, was wondering what may be useful to have/improve the UI here for easier use / help the UX feel better (the images are scrollable)

[shadow peak]

dark mode 😄

[oak temple]

right

[oak estuary]

Why is there a debug log and console? What are the usecases for an average user?

[oak temple]

the console is basically what the tool was from before, it displays the captured items in the raw format like it would say the action and then the capture + if the capture was a success or not

this is what the tool was in a prior version:

the debug window is for myself, will be hidden to the normal user

(is also useful sometimes for fellow peeps who want to experiment with the code ^^)

how is this, made it to also start at dark mode

[grave wren]

I'd put the config into a separate tab or menu and make the history more compact and left aligned maybe even without the border and just colored names + current avg p4rice if applicable (uniques, rare currencies)

maybe even an actual history grouped by days and a global tracker?

[oak temple]

hmm could that sounds like a good idea hmmge cuz hours and everything already being tracked just need to see what the best way to go about the grouping, currently trying to add the special modifiers of items and shi in the display, left aligning them would do a trick

thanks for the ideas man

[oak temple]

looks like left align is the play

[lone ingot]

whoever came up with the https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/poe2wiki:{topic} google search pattern on the wiki team, well done

[frank drift]

@velvet fog pretty certain most of the mods listed on the life flask / mana flask mod pages don't actually drop on those, eg all of the immunity mods https://poe2db.tw/us/Mana_Flasks#ModifiersCalc

[oak temple]

need to work on the image sizes and shee but looks promising

[oak temple]

final update for today

[velvet fog]

fixed, thanks (use f5 refresh)

[grave wren]

Looks good

[primal pewter]

The problem isn't parsing the dat files, which I agree it was a non-issue for poe1. The problem is that now we no longer have mod weights in the dat files, so we not only need to parse the game data, but also match it with a spreadsheet of mod weights or alternatively crawl/fetch data from poe2db and match that with the game files. With the mod weights being maintained separately I agree it would be really nice to have some kind of centrally maintained dataset. I think it would help a lot of people.

I always used the dat files previously, but with the mod data gone it has become too much of a hassle to also deal with mod weight spreadsheets on top of that, but I also feel bad having to constantly crawl poe2db

[velvet fog]

That's ggg thinking we should suffer

[cyan void]

hi chuanhsing you are the owner of poe2db right? do you by any chance know how I could go from e.g. desecrated.stat_3984865854 to the actual mod name?

im trying to find some api or json i can use for mapping

[velvet fog]

https://pathofexile.com/api/trade2/data/stats

[cyan void]

is the 2 in trade2 for poe2?

thanks this works perfectly

[hexed mesa]

given that poedb is a for profit project I can see why chuanhsing isn't interested in giving easier access to what makes their website stand out. if you want some community maintained weights your best bet would be the wiki. good luck with that though. at the end of the day doing it once isn't that big of a problem, the problem is keeping it up to date

[velvet fog]

If we don't let more people suffer the same pain, how can anyone ask ggg to improve it?

[primal pewter]

We have community maintained weights, that's what poe2db uses and where it gets the weights from. It's not proprietary data. They are just a pain to use since it's a spreadsheet 🙂 I totally understand it feels like a waste of time for chuanhsing to provide the data in an easily exportable format since he gets nothing out of it, just saying it would be nice

[lone ingot]

where do we even get mod weights for PoE2 now? is it just people creating datasets manually?

[primal pewter]

it's reverse engineered from recombinator chances

you can find the formula on the wiki

If you go to the prohibited library discord you can find the "official" spreadsheet

[frank drift]

now? always has been

also they stopped updaing poe1 weights, so it's essentially removed there too

[warm hamlet]

Can we get sold items from the api.- I cant get them through client log anymore

[modest path]

Hmm, anyone have the location of the default drop sounds - I'm not seeing them in any 'obvious' dirs on ggpk.exposed

[lone ingot]

from memory I actually ended up getting them from a google drive as I couldnt find them either @modest path

[modest path]

hmm

30306 audio files, 1 day 23 hours 3 minutes of audio

[lone ingot]

memory serves correct (thanks cdr) #tooldev-general message

[frank drift]

filter sounds are not dropsounds though

[lone ingot]

that's true actually, they're completely different

[oak temple]

:D happy with these results so far

[iron leaf]

hi guys, i made a tool to quickly halve the prices in your item merchant tabs https://github.com/nickycakes/poe2price

i got sick of manually cutting the prices on hundreds of items every morning

[hexed mesa]

probably against tos? any automation needs to do one specific action per click, so no logic in it or something like that

[iron leaf]

idk, does that apply to menu type stuff in hideout? dont see how its different from a logout macro

use at your own risk i guess!

[hexed mesa]

logout macro is just /logout command, or whatever it was

[iron leaf]

yeah this is just typing the new price and hitting enter

idk im not a videogame tos lawyer

i just know im not manually repricing hundreds of jewels every morning by hand

[hexed mesa]

i suppose you could argue logout macro is 3 actions, open chat, paste constant message, send, but it still is constant output for constant input. meanwhile your tool needs to calculate the new price so theres some logic involved, especially given the specific case of prices at 1 unit

well, i dont really care personally. if mods find it bad they will just delete the message. im mostly just saying that so you dont complain on reddit that you got banned for nothing (if you were to get banned anyway (which i find unlikely in this case tbf))

[iron leaf]

lol i would never use reddit

[zenith zodiac]

        if key.char == "y":
            pyperclip.copy('')
            pya.click(button='right')
            clip = ctrlc()
            if(int(clip) <= 1):
                return
            half = math.ceil(int(clip) / 2)
            sendprice(half)

yeah the calculation is the most questionable part of that imo, might be safer just to listen for number keys and set the price to whatever number the user pressed.

[iron leaf]

sounds like a good idea

[primal pewter]

It's definitely against the ToS, use at your own risk 🙂

[tall gust]

the best economists strive to inflict pain on their subjects

[obsidian veldt]

Hey guys. Someone has problem with network? In hideout i have 20-30ms and on any map 30-500 all the time... Unplayeble. Any fixes?

[crude bane]

I think the idea is 1 human action <= 1 server side action. So logout macro is 1 human action and 1 server side action, which is fine. 1 human action and 100 repricing=100 server side action is not fine

[frank drift]

it's not 100 repricing if you read the code, it's one per hotkey

[oak estuary]

Thanks for pointing that out, the way they were talking about it I think we all assumed it did it for a whole stash tab at a time

[frank drift]

I would've reported it in 0.1s if it was

I won't offer my personal opinion but I've seen much more egregious tools

[neon girder]

@somber mortar bug report: price checking morior invictus unique always cuts off the last mod (this is the unique that gives X per socketed item)

[somber mortar]

make sure you are on latest version, 0.12.3

Hmm, seems not always but sometimes, i'll look at that then

[neon girder]

if it helps i can DM you the item

[somber mortar]

Yeah that works

[neon girder]

ss alone works? or would item link help?

[somber mortar]

Sorry feel free to dm me

[lone ingot]

./exiledb extract --patch 4.3.0.4 --tables BaseItemTypes,ItemClasses,ItemClassCategories,CurrencyExchange,CurrencyExchangeCategories,Tags && sqlite3 exile.db < query.sql | jq '.[].tags |= fromjson' > items.json

  {
    "item_name": "Adept Rune",
    "class_name": "Socketable",
    "class_category": "Soul Core",
    "exchange_category": "Runes",
    "exchange_sub_category": "Runes",
    "price": 350,
    "tags": [
      "rune",
      "rune_normal"
    ]
  }

completely dynamic off of community schema, I'll make it open src soon if anyone wants to use it

[tall gust]

slick as hell

would love to use it

[iron leaf]

as others pointed out, this is 1 server side action per keypress, it does not reprice the whole tab. you still need to hover over each item individually and click

[iron leaf]

no need to report. if it's illegal i will gladly take it down immediately or find a workaround

[worthy cape]

The developer docs doesn't use the term "sever action", fwiw:

The resulting function must only perform one action that interacts with the game (sending a single chat message or command counts as one action).

Lots of things for philosophers to discuss like: "is this more than one action?" and "is setting a computed price a varying function?"

And of course, "is this becoming mandatory and is it with the spirit of the game?", but that's not in the docs 😄

[iron leaf]

well i, for one, am less sure than when i started

[tepid bane]

heft and ryslathas used to work for 100% conversion skills, did ggg change how the calculation works, or is it pob being weird?

[carmine merlin]

GGG changed it in 0.2.0 and we didn't handle it correctly since then. It's only meant to apply to the final damage type not before conversion

Fixed a bug where sources of less minimum or more maximum Physical Attack Damage, such as Heft Support or the Ryslatha's Coil Unique Belt, were not working correctly with damage conversion.

[sharp mulch]

it seems the pdps calc is breaking past a certain number, maybe an overflow or something else?
the pdps is 1508 in this example

[somber mortar]

Make an issue on GitHub with the item or dm me if unable

[shadow peak]

Looks like it's treating the thousands separator as a decimal point instead

[sharp mulch]

yup, that's what it was, he figured it out pretty much instantly after I dm'd him the item

[cedar shadow]

@iron leaf really cool idea, I was thinking something like this would be useful, but I agree it might be against ToS, I'm a noob though

anyways, just wanted to pop in, been a few months since I last posted in here, I've made some updates to my app StashSage, it's 100% focused on price prediction now

it uses two models to price an item, xgboost with model #1 and knn (n=10) with model #2

shows you similar items, not like Exiled Exchange which is purely based on manual entry and intervals, etc. It's all based on Euclidean distance so it makes very different assumptions about what a "similar item" is

always ask yourself if I have a 6-mod item, is another item with 5 same mods and values and 1 very different mod more similar, or another item with all same 6 mods but non-matching values

feel like the community has a very different understanding of similarity thats been based on the tools available to it

looking for 5-10 testers if anyone is interested in throwing their hat into the ring, just looking to get feedback on its utility

[somber mortar]

Yeah seems maybe new, I don’t think the copy text used to include them

Guessing new at least since I probably would have gotten a report for a body armour before this sometime since those are easier to get above 1k

[shadow peak]

Yeah, should be new. I also have to update it for the DPS calculator in my item tooltip.
On that note, the game might use localized thousands separators -- at least PoE1 does in its chat-box output, e.g. when using the /kills command -- so it's a good idea to account for that as well.
I had a bug-report from a Swedish (?) user once, and the game was using spaces as thousands separators, which bricked kills/map stat-tracking in my tool.

[somber mortar]

Yeah I’m probably just going to remove any non digit with regex to not worry about local separators

Would only cause a problem if there are decimals, but damage/armour are rounded/truncated so shouldn’t be a problem

[tranquil token]

@velvet fog https://poe2db.tw/cn/Ruby
https://poe2db.tw/kr/Ruby

In both the CN and KR languages, only Desecrated Modifiers are displayed for jewel Modifiers. This also applies to jewels other than Ruby.

[oak temple]

@grave wren <3 thanks a lot for the ideas mate, it's turning out great

[tranquil token]

@velvet fog
https://poe2db.tw/cn/Ruby
https://poe2db.tw/kr/Ruby

The basic Modifiers have been added, but the Corrupted Modifiers and #VaalOrbCorruptedEnchantment that can be seen in the US language are still missing. Could you please fix this once more?

[zenith zodiac]

wait how long has ange data been on the trade site? did everybody know about this except me?

[ashen aspen]

Pretty sure the "History" button was there from a start, I remember instantly clicking on it. If it was functional from the begining, idk.

[hexed gulch]

From the start its been there.

[trim moon]

hi

does anyone know where a list of every league naming convention might be found like the keywords used in the game data eg Anarchy, Onslaught, and the version numbers ?

i see a file leagueinfo but it just has names starting with Delve

[worthy cape]

The wiki has an extensive version history.

[trim moon]

ok i'll have a look ty

[trim moon]

Thanks

[frank drift]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1nl3laq/outdated_exchange_rates_on_trade_site_are/

[cedar shadow]

i think this is only for your own stuff though, not anyone elses that you can access, hence very limited

[oak temple]

hey pals, just wanted to say thanks for the help/suggestions , will continue to improve it hopefully for a few leagues, https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1nlir25/heist_curio_tracker_tool_update/ hopefully it proves useful

[zenith zodiac]

novynn's on holiday

[frank drift]

am aware

[oak temple]

aw it got removed

[frank drift]

using the modmail on reddit should eventually get answered, or you can use the DM bot on here and mention it's a reddit issue

[oak temple]

will try that

ty

[tranquil token]

@velvet fog https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3859252/page/1#p26378241

With this update, the Third Edict Mystery Box MTX has been added to POE1. I'm curious about how the MTXs that were previously only supported in POE2 have been adapted in POE1. Could you update the MTX data in the POE1DB?

[velvet fog]

https://poedb.tw/us/Third_Edict

[cedar shadow]

Hey all, still looking for additional volunteers to test my new app, StashSage, v0.3.2 now has machine learning models to instantly predict prices of jewels, wands, sceptres, quivers in. I uploaded the model feature importance to the website for everyone to see. Check out the rankings and app at https://rheinze08.github.io/StashSage/. Let me know if you have any questions.

[sleek rune]

Anyone know any website that lets me see what mtx is usable in poe2?

That one can only buy in poe 1

[ornate oyster]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Microtransactions#Microtransactions\

[strong patio]

Anyone know if the trade api has acess to different item data than consumers of the psapi do? Specifically regarding the stat hashes that are generated / extended mod information. Is that from just the psapi data + content.ggpk or is there extra item information trade api has that makes this simpler.

[hexed mesa]

trade stat hashes are just content.ggpk, someone reverse engineered it some months ago iirc

#tooldev-general message

[strong patio]

yep aware of that. Im wondering specifically whether the trade api only uses psapi mod list

      "+1 to Level of Socketed Lightning Gems",
      "42% increased Physical Damage",
      "Adds 1 to 3 Fire Damage",
      "Gain 8 Life per Enemy Killed",
      "15% increased Stun Duration on Enemies"
    ],```

And parses each line naively. To derive the relevant modlines and then matches those up to the revelant mod.
Or whether there is extra information there they have.
This is likely an answer I will figure out my self as I try to parse them naively.

Just thought I would check here in case any one has treaded this path before me.

[hexed mesa]

i would assume they do it the other way around, store mod id /whatever and values and format into strings only after queries and whatnot are done just for the trade /psapi

[strong patio]

That would be my assumption too if it weren't for my belief that the trade api is built ontop of psapi rather than it being the other way around.

[hexed mesa]

i dont think one is built on top of the other. its just the same data exposed in different ways with some properties being different

[strong patio]

yeah thats definitely a possiblity. And if it is the case there is going to be obvious instances I run into where the trade api clearly has access to more information than is possibly derivable from the psapi. But given some examples i've looked at I haven't found an example of this. Thats the source of my assumption that this is possible to reverse engineer.

[hexed mesa]

account stashes api probably uses the same underlying source but it returns even less data (extended property isnt included there at all, while it contains more data for trade api than psapi)

tbf i dont really understand why extended property is gutted for psapi and not included at all for account stashes. in some cases it makes it kind of impossible to know what combination of mods the item has

but well, i suppose thats kind of the point

[strong patio]

90% chance u are right

The 10% chance is that the psapi extended is not gutted but instead extended by trade api (maybe that is where the name is from).

[strong patio]

Ur point about it making it impossible to know what combination of mods the item has is still an issue (feature?) of trade api though. Thats important to keep in mind. it is not possible to search on the trade api for different mods that gvie similiar stats. Thats what is pointing me towards believing trade api is a child of psapi in the same way anyone else is. it would explain the seeming lack of omniscience.

[strong patio]

And if we assume this 10% chance to be the world we live in its fascinating to imagine the reality that anyone could reasonably recreate the trade site.

[hexed mesa]

long before pathofexile.com/trade we had poe.trade :oldge:

[strong patio]

Yeah can't say I remember of those times firsthand. But ive heard about them through the history books for sure.

[hexed mesa]

cant really say i see much value in 3rd party trade websites nowadays, especially now that direct whisper is a thing and merchant tabs are a thing

[strong patio]

I agree with u. Im more meaning there is value in having an un ratelimited trade api for other endeavours

[hexed mesa]

though i do see value in a tool that lets you price check entire stash tabs at once, which i have been working on for the last 3 or however many years

[strong patio]

Im backporting poe2scout to poe1 right now and my end goal is allowing arbitrary item price histories. Essentially as one would query the trade api and get back a list of results. You could write the filter. Then fetch according to that every x minutes or hours and get the lowest price.

And with that would allow entire stash pricing pretty effortlessly. Through item pattern matching.

[strong patio]

From my understanding something like this wouldnt be that crazily expensive especially if stored correctly.

[strong patio]

Is ur tool released?

[hexed mesa]

no

maybe in another 3 years

[strong patio]

Look forward to it.

We can race.

[hexed mesa]

though i may need some mvp in half a year or so now that its possibly related to my bachelor thesis

[strong patio]

Whats your goal with that. Does WealthyExile not fulfill what you're trying to build?

[hexed mesa]

the point of my tool is exactly the opposite of basically all the trade tools right now, i want to mass price check magic/rare items, not currency and uniques

[strong patio]

The reason i am even bothering is I see a massive improvement possible if a tool like wealth exile were to be able to query based on patterns rather than naively having to deal with whatever info it gets from something like poe.ninja

[strong patio]

Yep gotcha. I guess our goals are aligned.

[hexed mesa]

though i reduced the scope of what i actually wanted a lot over the years so i can actually finish it this decade, but such is life

[strong patio]

Yep. I think a big change that will make rare/magic item pricing more reliable is instant buyout tabs.

That would remove alot of the noise.

Im almost preempting those tabs being on the psapi with many of my changes...

[worthy cape]

If you successfully manage to reduce scope on hobby projects, please let me know the secret 😄

[grave wren]

losing interest and starting something else surely counts as reducing scope [on one project]

[gilded tree]

You still don't know if the item got actually bought so it will only help halfway

[strong patio]

I largely don’t see this is an issue worth worrying about. I’ve considered it. For lower volume items yes the lowest listed price could be massively off the true value. But even if we had sale history. If we now treated average sale price as the source of an items price. Now people would be confused because the item they price checked says it’s worth x but it’s listed for lowest 2x.

[gilded tree]

so it's kinda the same as we have it currently

[strong patio]

You’re definitely right btw. Trade api extended into is definitely un-derivable from the psapi mod text.

Right now the issue is we can’t treat listed items as genuinely real and acquirable for that price.

I see that as many times more negative to item pricing than the inability to derive sold item prices

Also wouldn’t be shocked to get a psapi but for instant buyout sales

Given its information that we know ggg is recording (trade history for poe2 trade site)

[gilded tree]

Which you also can't with instant buyouts. You can see removed items with a possibility that they got bought

[strong patio]

agreed.

[gilded tree]

I trained a small model on a subset of rare items and it worked kinda alright if you filter out most of the outliers

[strong patio]

Don’t think it’s worth any attempt at deriving a true price from delisted items either

[strong patio]

Some outliers are impossible to filter out especially on more fungible items. Some of them are massively price fixed.

[gilded tree]

it helps to give prices a value (e.g. this item got removed so it has an increased chance that it got bought than an item which is kept in the stash)

[strong patio]

Which instant buyout completely fixes

[hexed mesa]

we just need to beg novynn for api that exposes items sold through merchant tabs 🙏🏻

[strong patio]

I’m willing to bet a lot of money it’s in the pipeline

[hexed mesa]

kinda doubt tbh

[strong patio]

Begging novynn doesn’t work. U just gotta stand aside and watch him work

[strong patio]

I’m a bit of an optimist 😅

[hexed mesa]

psapi itself doesnt contain historical items, so the api would need to include items themselves which sounds rather expensive in the long run. like, how long do you keep them for

[gilded tree]

You can also only predict that tbh, you only know that most items are priced at the given low. Which is basically the same information you get via the current api

[strong patio]

I guess I value a lot more a number that represents what anyone could buy said item for at a given time. And you seem to value more a number that actually represents what the average person could SELL that item for.

[strong patio]

No? Current api 1000 people could list hh (or a more realistic example is high level item based) at 1 exalt and never fulfill orders. No amount of logic is getting rid of that awful price

That is completely gone with instant buyout

[gilded tree]

That part is true

[strong patio]

In the former case without instant buyout. Yes sale history is exceptionally valuable. But instant buyout existing lowers the value a lot more

[gilded tree]

but price fixers like that are easy to remove

[strong patio]

I’m telling u… they just aren’t

I’m been in the trenches mate.

[gilded tree]

Same here 😄

[strong patio]

Then u have got to empathise with me when I say no matter what u do there will be some painfully wrong instances

Poe2scouts unique item pricing has been night and day better this league than last

I literally was able to delete all outlier filtering

And it all just works

[hexed mesa]

hmm, i suppose it already stores the item as well, judging by #tooldev-general message, so maybe theres a chance, but idk if they would be interested in having global api, probably just per account if anything

[strong patio]

Not 1 instance of an item being priced “wrong”.

[strong patio]

Yeah agreed. Probably just per account

[gilded tree]

it's possible to filter out a good amount, there are multiple ways of doing that. Yeah, you will always have price fixers but you can fight against most of them

[hexed mesa]

sadly per account would be rather useless in this case, imo anyway

[strong patio]

Which I would be fine with as well as I’m not massively enticed by providing an average sale price vs lowest instant buyout

[strong patio]

I see an item price being mostly right compared to an item price being garunteed representative of the metric it’s attempting to show as massively different.

Possibly that’s just me

Ahhhh. I knew I recognised ur pfp @gilded tree . You are poe.watch right?

[gilded tree]

ye

[strong patio]

I’ve been in the trenches. You have probably been in no man’s land eh

[somber mortar]

Anyone have any ideas on how to tell if a user is banned based on a response from the trade site (fetch)

I'm trying to filter or mark listings in some manner from banned users, since that is the latest tech in price fixing

[compact isle]

I wouldn't bother, this on us to fix

[somber mortar]

Nevermind then, thanks as always Novynn!

[wind garden]

so any plans to add ingame captcha to purchasing from Ange?

[exotic egret]

I'm trying to convince designers to add captcha mechanics to Brutus in PoE1

My efforts are not well received

[wind garden]

ok how about this, make it so Ange's trade window doesn't auto open so players have the option to hide the NPC at the end of a complicated maze or obsticle course

[zenith zodiac]

omg yes The Castle Doctrine league when

l loved that game. I once got an email from the dev telling me he liked my build

[strong patio]

Anyone know what the verified property of an item means? (from the api) Currently ignoring it for everything Im doing.

[velvet fog]

It should have been used on the forum before, that the item is still on the account. It should be useless now.

[hazy fiber]

people can still link items to to forums right? so its possible that it could show up I guess

[worthy cape]

Forum shops are definitely still a thing for PoE1 and an escape hatch to be able to engage in commerce without paying for tabs.

For example, like this post https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3861717 and the corresponding listing https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Mercenaries/KlyyPXagI5:

Seems like most if not all items on the trade site are verified, even my premium tab ones.

TIL that the trade site has a Force Unlist button for your own items.

[hazy fiber]

I assume the are verified while they are still inside the tab ( but premium tab items would delist when removed so would never show up as not verified ), with items listed on the forum requiring you to manually query if they are verified, but premium tab listed items just automatically being verified or not?

[strong patio]

Ahh ok

[cyan void]

not sure if this is the right place but im wondering how exactly the numbers add up

lets say I have this bow, nothing else equipped

and I have 28% projectile damage in my skill tree in total (10,10,8)
how does it end up being 11-22 physical damage?

if I take 7 as the base damage and multiple it with attacks per second I have 9,38 and if I multiply that by 28% projectile damage its 12,0064

why does the game show 11-22

what could be is 7 * 1,21 (bow shot attack damage is 121%) then I'd get 8,47 and that multiplied by attack speed would be 11,3498
but then what about the 28% projectile damage from my tree

[carmine merlin]

The flat damage numbers have nothing to do with attack rate. 7 x 1.21 x 1.28 = 10.842

[cyan void]

so the game rounds up and down?

or is it always up

[carmine merlin]

I’m not sure how it rounds as it’s a massive rabbit whole I haven’t investigated yet

[cyan void]

mhh, ok I assume the same is applied to cold damage since its coming from the bow shot it would get 1.21 and then another 1.28 since its going to be projectile

would be 3.0976

ok this way the numbers make sense

[carmine merlin]

Good luck trying to work out how it works when you have a skill with innate conversion, conversion on gear, damage gain as, flat from weapons, flat from gear, support multipliers and gear multipliers

[cyan void]

just wanted some math to figure out if this vendor piece is going to be an upgrade but guess I'll drop it

rather play the game than write code

[carmine merlin]

Why not just copy the item into PoB?

[cyan void]

idk i did but its not showing the numbers that i want to see

shows average damage as 1.1

seemed like its wrong so i just insta closed it

[oak estuary]

You don't have a skill selected

[cyan void]

might just be a user issue, i put everything in the way i thought it works and it didnt work

[hazy fiber]

its pobibly becouse your config is vs a like 10000 armour enemy so phys does almost nothing

set the enemy armour to 1

[tulip prairie]

Hey is there a place to Contact GGG for website issues?

[velvet fog]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2214

[tulip prairie]

Anychance me doing things with the API would mess up my accounts access to the website?

[compact isle]

depends on the API

[tulip prairie]

Mind if I pm you @compact isle

ok so I doubt it's API related but maybe something Im doing with this tool im trying to make is causing me problems

[tulip prairie]

anyone not busy able to help me test some stuff ingame?

[zenith zodiac]

the prohibited library discord might be a better place to ask that. don't think l can link to other discords in here but it's easy to find

[frank drift]

regarding testing game mechanics sure... regarding testing your tool maybe not so much

[tulip prairie]

thanks, but i've stopped for tonight I have a headache now. but It would be Ingame i just need people to buy trash from me

[teal quarry]

I don't really know where to ask and this seems like the most reasonable place

So I got a serious problem with keyboard in my laptop but for some reasons I can't replace it now, the only way it can work properly is to keep some key pressed so I'm running a script in terminal that imitates pressed scrolllock 24/7

what are the odds I'm gonna be banned for scripts/macros?

[frank drift]

this is not tech support

[teal quarry]

I know I figured the workaaround aalready

I'm just asking about "scripts" in general

[frank drift]

it's against TOS of course

[teal quarry]

even if the button doesn't affect the gaameplay?

[frank drift]

yes

[teal quarry]

damn thaat's harsh

[frank drift]

whether GGG will bother to detect it or take action is another question, but it is against the rules

if it's something you're automating in game

[teal quarry]

well then I'll just set script to imitate it in different window

that should be clear then

thanks a lot mate

[tulip prairie]

anyone able to help me with some website scraping Im trying to pull something from the poe 2 trade site. but I can't get the right area

[oak estuary]

Considering that's likely against the TOS (7f) I would advise not to scrape the website

[tulip prairie]

@oak estuary hmm that's interesting, I wonder if there's a way around that for the information I want. Currently the API is very barebones

[strong patio]

What information are you trying to get

[tulip prairie]

I'm trying to get my trade history from the poe 2 trade market.

[strong patio]

Yeah. No way to get that data atm.

Have to wait for an api to be released for it

[tulip prairie]

Hmm I guess I have to email GGG and ask permission. Wish Chris was still around I'd just email him

[frank drift]

you will be told no if you ask

[tulip prairie]

I'm ok with that

That's literally the worst thing they can say.

[strong patio]

Lol. Why not wait around like the rest of us? poe2 is the last thing on anyones mind at ggg right now.

[tulip prairie]

Why put off til tomorrow what you can do today?

[strong patio]

Due to a respect for other people’s time. But you do you.

[tulip prairie]

@strong patio meh I deleted it for a reason. I spent 2 days trouble shooting and trying the get this app working only to find out it's probably against the TOS 😭 no biggie the TOS says ask for permission. "Don't do that"😭😭 I was frustrated pissed off and annoyed. I deleted the question because I thought better of it and felt it wasn't worth being an ass because of my emotions.

[strong patio]

We've all been there. No hard feelings.

[olive chasm]

So I've literally just deployed a project to help track currency exchange - just a wee web app so I'm not sure exactly how useful it'll be for most people - but I got fed up using a spreadsheet so made it. Anyone want to give it a try and offer any feedback? Won't paste the link here as not sure on rules for that sort of thing

[strong patio]

I’d love to check it out

[olive chasm]

it's @ https://www.exilesledger.com/

trying to think of neat ways I could integrate poe2scout api

[strong patio]

It’s very cool. Hopefully one day when the game APIs are more fleshed out all the manual work could be automated away.

[olive chasm]

🤞

[strong patio]

@olive chasm Modals aren't properly scrollable. Makes the site difficult to use without zooming out a bunch.

[olive chasm]

good catch cheers

[olive chasm]

hopefully a bit better for you now

[cedar shadow]

Hey all happy Saturday, just wanted to share a link to the results of xgboost models I have trained for my app, StashSage, using trade API data. I estimated all the mod importances for each item slot, and after we made some changes to the framework, the modeling results look great. I've got them posted in a table for each slot, but here are the ones for quiver; looks amazing, check the table if you want at my github https://rheinze08.github.io/StashSage/ they're all listed for your reference; especially useful when deciding what greater essence to use, what mods to desecrate, etc. Looking forward to your feedback.

[eager isle]

Does anybody know if the mods on https://repoe-fork.github.io include specific mods for desecration? I see VeiledPrefix and VeiledSuffix but I'd expect something a little more specific considering that gnawed/preserved/ancient items can add mods of different levels. Or maybe veiled mods work in a totally different way

[tepid bane]

is there any way to manually simulate sorcery ward through config in pob?

[frank drift]

sorcery ward?

[tepid bane]

witchhunter ascendancy

primal aegis works in pob1, which is basically the same thing except the way its magnitude is calculated

but sorcery ward is not calculated at all in pob2

[frank drift]

I would check PoB github issues for it and create a ticket if one doesn't exist

[tepid bane]

found one, bumped it

[frank drift]

you could try literally granting Primal Aegis, but I doubt that would work

[green rose]

Hey @formal kraken! Wanted to follow up on this. So basically pobbin/poewiki/poedb all use different, artisinal, custom code to render items on their websites as closely as they can to the in game poe "style"?

[tepid bane]

it works

in pob 2

but the calculation is obviously wrong

now I'll change 75 to match my actual ward value

[grave wren]

Very likely yes - there was a utility library doing it but I don't think it's maintained anymore

[grave wren]

See here there's one for poe2 apparently

Or this but it's unmaintained now

[formal kraken]

Yeah I wrote my own thing including asset extraction from game files

[green rose]

Nice! This one: https://github.com/Dav1dde/pobbin-assets ?

[formal kraken]

Yep that's for the assets

I'd recommend using poe-re though

The actually maintained fork, I just at some point felt like making my own

[green rose]

I’m so sorry, could you maybe send me the GitHub link? I’m having trouble finding it.

[formal kraken]

https://repoe-fork.github.io/

[lone ingot]

https://github.com/jchantrell/chromatic-poe/blob/main/packages/data/file.ts

that's using poe-dat-viewer implementation under the hood

[brittle oasis]

A month late but I was just playing with this and noticed the missing data in the json. Easiest solution is to just use their lua, replace all = with : and replace the start return with let TalentData = or whatever method you prefer and all the data is there. All done in 5 seconds. Rename to .js or .json depending on how you load it ofc. Cheers to everyone involved and sharing all their files (EDIT: Need to be a little careful with this actually since Lua starts their index at 1. The only place it affected me was in constants.orbitRadii, orbitAnglesByOrbit and skillsPerOrbit, ez fix for that too)

[oak temple]

hey pals, any recommendations on the design for "data fetching" that would be convenient for the user?
Currently I have this that sets/selects league handling all the estimated value part of poe.ninja, should I move it into a menu/popup or leave it like that
Should I always list the current {league} as the primary option instead of standard, am assuming that would be best but not sure
for context I'm downloading the necessary data once every 2 hours upon app launch (called once)

[frank drift]

settings infrequently changed should be in a menu, you could have a small display of the relevant info

[oak temple]

I see, currently I have these options, I wonder how to call the application specific settings "Config" ?