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[cobalt blade]

its possible just harder

[astral brook]

i dont think so

[karmic gust]

idk maybe rest of my mtx is hiding it but usually other character effects are a lot more visible :d

than this

[split maple]

[worthy sentinel]

ngl path of exile is kind of dark game so sometimes i can barely see my character. a glowing effect would help me play more

[split maple]

2x as hard for higher ilvls

[karmic gust]

if you wan something turbo visible get one of those that scale with levels

i hate them the most but they are most visible ;d

[astral brook]

oh i didnt see that

[cobalt blade]

lmao at 68+

[astral brook]

well cant anyways none on tm

[cobalt blade]

its so bad not being 50-67

[cobalt blade]

you can 5:1 clusters if you rly want to get it

4 high ilvl 1 ilvl 50=ilvl 50 cluster back repeat

when you 5:1 it always uses the lowest ilvl u put in

its tedious but it works

or if fogs are cheap on ps you can fog to it

[versed silo]

How many DCs we getting?

[karmic gust]

the poe2 dash mtxes are super good in poe1 tho at least for character visibility

i got this one from some random box

actually my favorite mtx now its super nuts

[astral brook]

2d and no thanks someone spent like 40d on fogs to get it right

[cobalt blade]

i see

[karmic gust]

but idk if that one is in shopeven 🤷‍♂️

but i saw some of the dash mtxs being on sale rn either way

[cobalt blade]

some of them look so silly with mageblood

[restive sable]

rarity find builds is wrecked

(buffers)

[astral brook]

so little update

im 30 fossils in nothing yet

how does il matter this much -_-

[split maple]

higher ilvl = more mods unlocked

a lot of mods have same tags = targeting worse

targeting worse = pita

[astral brook]

no jagged fossils selling too so im rerolling

atleast making abit of money when i hit dense fossils

[split maple]

lucky its purple juice and not yellow

[dark kite]

pof swap funded

[worthy sentinel]

is gay used for males or does it apply to both females and males

[split maple]

#offtopic

[worthy sentinel]

cuz when someone tells me they are gay i default assume they are male

yeah but i saw it here

i figured he could tell me cuz it was next to his nickname

[split maple]

happy for you

finally 🥳

[astral brook]

at 72 rn

i give up il farm a 67

[split maple]

67

68 is as bad as 83

[astral brook]

does the 5;1 recipe have to be same enchants

like 8 passive and phys or random

[split maple]

no, but it gives out random number of passives and random enchant

but remember you can vendor 4 crap ilvl83 for 1alch each and 1 ilvl50 and its still ilvl50 result

[astral brook]

so 4 high level 1level 50

can it be lower than 50?

[split maple]

2 of your mods need ilvl50+

[astral brook]

wait it gave me il50

what did i miss isnt it supposed to be diffrent

[split maple]

if you mean you got same enchant and number of passives

thats just weirdge rng 😄

[astral brook]

so i cant vendor for 68

[split maple]

man

1. 68 is horribad for you

2. everything 50-67 is same for you

[astral brook]

67

[astral brook]

oh nice il just use the 50

my bad am a little slow today

[limpid prairie]

i mean i mean if you want slightly better small nodes it might matter

[dark sequoia]

tempering + volatile vaal orbs

[subtle vault]

Hi in just been hijack my steam account i hope i wont be banned please help me

[crisp obsidian]

contact [e-mail] but they will lock your account and it can take 1 day to 1 year to resolve it

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/zinzolin-team-plasma-gif-14169911434900500896

[crisp obsidian]

how did your steam even get hacked

[subtle vault]

im so stupid

they said i will get banned if i do not respond to information like to prove your did nothing wrong

about some credential falsification like paid game with false money

but because its my first report and first support exchange then i did not saw the scam

[dark kite]

@tranquil sedge im ready to do the pof swap i think

got the sublime and the watchers, need to get the timeless

[tranquil sedge]

life gain on hit is the most important thing to make sure u solve i think

if u haven't addressed it already

[dark kite]

im having trouble with the tree

[tranquil sedge]

wdym

[dark kite]

i feel like im missing a couple points after re-pathing for the timeless

[tranquil sedge]

i dont follow

[crisp obsidian]

try checking /passives

[dark kite]

okay, so i need a new timeless for the cold/light taken as fire keystone; thats fine. but i need to change my pathing to get the keystone itself. after doing that, im short at least 1 point that was previously in an end charge.

[cobalt blade]

steam will never contact you thru steam messages it will basically always be from email and will specifically come from said support email

but rip

[tranquil sedge]

if this is an issue finding points in pob i find the easiest way now is just use the compare tab

tree highlight diff will show it immediately

[dark kite]

i believe the path esm showed me earlier was from your own tree

this is what i had before

and here's where im at now

[tranquil sedge]

https://pobb.in/94eGgQKviY5T

this is mine

[tawdry olive]

ooo we strength stacking?

[dark kite]

maybe you have less masteries

[tranquil sedge]

just import the pob into compare tab

and compare

also whenever u finalize ur tree btw just slap every dex node with accuracy tattoo

[dark kite]

cool

ah, it's the less mana cost wheel it seems

[tawdry olive]

depending on how many points you have, this pathing is worth considering, thats a very high value inertia spot
though this is for my kb build this league, not msoz

[dark kite]

shouldnt need that now

[tawdry olive]

also depending on the content you're doing, especially if you're taking eater altars, just drop endurance charges entirely to save points

[dark kite]

im a jugg its mostly not an issue

[finite quail]

thinking about...

sabo return proj with locus kb mines...

[hard cliff]

they should rework cluster jewel trees to do this

[dark kite]

the other problem i have is that i need to find a jewel socket for this sublime

it's either my rare (lose mana on hit) or my balance of terror (lose wither)

[tawdry olive]

always a problem with endgame builds, never enough sockets

that said with msoz you should have so much gigadamage that wither probably isn't a concern

you can just slap on sin's rebirth for situations where you feel you need it

[split maple]

Wither is like third of your dmg usually

Rather lose rare and keep in inventory lifetap/zenith lifetap for swap in no Leech maps

[whole bluff]

Shouldn't it be more? It's like 15×6% increased taken

[limpid prairie]

rings can get mana on hit?

[dark kite]

my ring slots are non-negotiable

[tawdry olive]

Withering step is another jank option, lots of choices

[whole bluff]

I guess withering step makes it so you still have some wither even without jewel

[limpid prairie]

wither totems like that other build or manaforge witheringg touch

[dark kite]

i lose 182 str if i drop bound by destiny yeesh

if i can get 17 more int i could drop emperor's mastery...

[whole bluff]

Joy. My train parked outside mall of scandinavia is currently full of people ddosing the 5G network to the point you can't open wiki, in the area outside mall of scandinavia. Also train left station so there's no going off. But it was stuck for like 10 minutes

[dark kite]

i had an extra point spare so i took a +30 int

[whole bluff]

Yay, we move

[dark kite]

now i just need to solve life on hit

and it's either i give up sione's or i try to recraft the sword

[split maple]

cant you get lgoh on ring

and for before that instant leech is handy

[dark kite]

.

[split maple]

oh thats a nice mist

[dark kite]

450d

idk how to get instant leech tho

[cobalt blade]

you dont

[dark kite]

im gonna try and recraft the sword

i just need to hit a decent aspd and lgoh

[split maple]

cant you waste a few passives on leech wheel

like ancom version did early

[dark kite]

need to find 4 points...maybe i give up the mark wheel

[cobalt blade]

dont you lose ST frenzies for that

[dark kite]

yes i do

[wheat sinew]

👀

[cobalt blade]

doesnt seem worth for instant leech idk

[split maple]

Like it aint Worth for sure

But it's ducttape for before lgoh

[dark kite]

it also doesnt solve no-leech maps iirc

[cobalt blade]

yea it doesnt

[wheat sinew]

msoz ?

[split maple]

It solves reduced Leech recover t16.5

[dark kite]

im just gonna recraft the sword

[split maple]

It don't solve cannot Leech red tier mod yea

[wheat sinew]

just get this for 3 points / 2p 1 jewel (make sure it's just 2p small)

[dark kite]

im already out of jewels

[cobalt blade]

that runs into jewel slot issues

[wheat sinew]

what are your jewels

[cobalt blade]

(+ id personally megalomaniac that if you were gonna)

try look for it +like wall of muscle

[wheat sinew]

you could sure

On the edger of death, my heart races./ I am alive

send halp

just 1 wokers game

[cobalt blade]

borderline useable for 5d

[wheat sinew]

going for that 2nd simplex gamba xd

[wheat sinew]

effectively 5% inc str + 2% inc max life over a 2p small

would've killed for one fo those

xd

but that's 4 points right

[cobalt blade]

lol

yea

[wheat sinew]

also wtf

2 disgusting small notables on a megalo only 5 div?

[cobalt blade]

if you only want 2 its cheaper

like dirt cheap

actually thats a 50c 3 passive if you run a cannot be ignited pof and still want burn ground

quick point swap if you end up in a rly fucked up burn ground map

[cobalt blade]

trade my beloved :3

[wheat sinew]

pep finally

lol

[cobalt blade]

another example of fun trade megalos

you can so cheaply make a ridiculous ambi str stacker rn

like wtf is this for 5d

[dark kite]

welp

it took quite a few tries but i managed to fill my suffixes on the sword 😔 need to 50/50 an annul to save it

[cobalt blade]

gl

[dark kite]

im scare.

[wheat sinew]

kek it failed but rarity funz

[cobalt blade]

surely you hit the annul into reforge now right

[wheat sinew]

meh

xddddddddddd

gonna get some soonz but crafting the gear for the 2nd stacker has been rough lul

[dark kite]

i saved it phew

[wheat sinew]

👀 pog

[dark kite]

all this fir life on hit

aaand i need to hit one again

i could keep it as is and settle with t1 aspd and two nothing suffixes

but i have to keep going

its dead

do i remake the sword from scratch or do i buy a second 2p base and pray for the recomb

[wheat sinew]

thonk

how did it die

didn't craft a suffix into exalt?

[dark kite]

failed the annul and lost a prefix

so its currently 2p3s

will 3s + 3s recomb always be 3s

[cobalt blade]

70~ odd% chance assuming its all different suffixes to be 3s

actually that shouldnt matter just would be higher odds to have that specific suffix if it is 3s lol

[dark kite]

do different tiers count as different mods

[cobalt blade]

no same mod

just assume its 70% chance to be 3s

[dark kite]

fuck it we prayge

[dark kite]

okay well i think i have to start over

here's hoping it doesnt take like 12+ tries this time

[devout grail]

I'm retreating to poe1 today

Might as well get a little further while poe2 chats are going batshit

[split maple]

😄

[whole bluff]

pog

[grizzled lily]

tink

[devout grail]

Man it feels like no matter how much information I consume on how to get through campaign, I still hit walls on how to improve and progress

Makes me feel like I'm missing sources of ramping, but I'm not, I'm still just be and learning

[fickle glen]

What are the stars and hexagon on your map are?

[split maple]

item filter icons for fancy smancy stuff

[fickle glen]

The only info I am missing in this game is about jewels

[split maple]

[tranquil umbra]

what are those allflames

[split maple]

etherals - substituted packs drop no equipment

[tranquil umbra]

e

[blissful zodiac]

I have 67 divine orbs

https://tenor.com/view/67-parrot-gif-4443623914335213019

[split hatch]

Anyone has a gif of mark/Jonathan drinking wine from the latest interview?

[frigid wedge]

simply more

[frigid wedge]

surely it would be more time efficient to use an allflames scarab and lineage

to save u farming sm of the allflames beforehand

[split maple]

its allflame scarbie + bloodline + 3 allflames

[wheat sinew]

also idm farming allflames

lul

[split maple]

and i think sokrate ran like half a mil syndicate maps this league

[ruby geyser]

Do Ritual Altars ignore map specific div cards? Are those drop only?

[sleek barn]

i think most mechanics ignore the div cards specified by the map (at least those that drop div cards as a reward tile)

[split maple]

ritual pool is like diviner box and eldritch altar pool all cards that award items that are not boss drops

[frigid wedge]

I'm pretty sure unless it literally drops from a monster its gonna ignore map cards

[ruby geyser]

Okay thank you. I'm targeting specific rare div cards and trying to figure a strat. Currently not sure if Diviner Delirium or Currency Deliriums are more beneficial. Cause right now I'm 100% delirium on originators using 4x diviners and 1x Fine Delirium. Cause aren't div cards considered currency?

[dark kite]

thank fuck it only took 1 recomb this time

[cobalt blade]

Barrels and chests in maps also follow map cards

But the favour window does ignore ye

[ruby geyser]

Been opening all those with this strat as well

[frigid wedge]

diviners delirium drops stacked decks

so every deli reward is like 5c

[ruby geyser]

Shit. So I really need to be going fine delirium. 4x plenty and 1x pilfering

[frigid wedge]

ehh

diviners pay themselves off better iirc

[cobalt blade]

div orbs afaik require u to be running theeee deli scarabs for it to be worth?

[ruby geyser]

They do. Honestly like 2 of them pay off the map investment. But targeting Damnation it's like worth 600 divine per card. So figuring whatever can maximize the odds of the boss dropping. I know stacked decks are currency so maybe item quant, duplicate div for the altars too. Idk ugh

[cobalt blade]

outside of just like using it for deli mobs

[spice pecan]

in pob is there any way to force herald of purity minions off?

or should i just custom config companionship at this point

[tranquil sedge]

companionship isn't supported anyway by pob yet properly

[spice pecan]

it is on beta version

[tranquil sedge]

o

[cobalt blade]

arent they still fucking up your minion life anyway or are you just recasting hop every time

[spice pecan]

but i added herald of purity and it's fucking it up

no, you snapshot the spectre at the start of the map and sacrificing a hop minion doesn't overwrite it

[wheat sinew]

mmmmm

[spice pecan]

at least that's what db said

[cobalt blade]

my point mythik is companionship being off

[frigid wedge]

yes

[cobalt blade]

at the start of map in that case

[spice pecan]

it's on at the start of the map

bc the spectre is your only minion

before you kill anything/trigger hop

[tranquil sedge]

spicy

now synth that bad boi

[cobalt blade]

oh right it only summons them on kill

<mayb dum

[spice pecan]

ye exactly

no not dum

i thought the exact same thing

[cobalt blade]

can just disable hop check the minion life and toss it in or manually config it yea

[spice pecan]

oh i didnt think about disabling it xd

to peep minion life

good call

[cobalt blade]

need to manually toss in the minion life anyway so makes no diff xd

[spice pecan]

https://pobb.in/eDdMOh-vya9K

ok we have made it so we only lost 3m dps from losing hypothermia imbue instead of -40m dps

this is a certified W

now i just need to not miss the frac for a 15th time on crit multi helical and we're gucci mane

[ruby geyser]

Bruh thats alot of DPS

[spice pecan]

it's enough dps to delete ubers instantly

[cobalt blade]

single shrine belt 🥀

[wheat sinew]

ez lul

[spice pecan]

oh wait i have the money to get a better belt now

what should I get? diamond resist?

[cobalt blade]

resist or massive id say

massive for mapping resist for tank

[spice pecan]

oh massive is 40% aoe ye

does resist increase max res?

[cobalt blade]

Yuh

+10

Also max chaos res

[spice pecan]

diamond resist is 25mirr nvm

[cobalt blade]

lmfao

[spice pecan]

ye this aint happening either

[frigid wedge]

resistance is literally the rarest defense shrine in the game

[ruby geyser]

In game, does your crit chance say 100%? Is that raw crit chance or do you have like any nodes that are like 100% crit chance against full life etc?

[spice pecan]

[cobalt blade]

Huh im surprised its not more

[spice pecan]

it is straight up 100%

my explodes from my chest/herald of ash are also 100% crit chance

[cobalt blade]

diamond shrine makes you always crit

[tranquil sedge]

you can grind that in a couple days

if u wanna

[spice pecan]

the problem is running 60 deli breach is just so damn slow

because of the performance

[tranquil sedge]

buddy

go run harvest

[spice pecan]

i spammed harvest on legstart

[tranquil sedge]

yea

spamge some more now

[cobalt blade]

geforce now 60 deli breach

[frigid wedge]

his crit chance is forced to 100 by belt

[tranquil sedge]

how much div/hr is ur breach mapping atm

like, estimate

[spice pecan]

no idea, i'd guess maybe 30-40

[tranquil sedge]

yea harvest is gonna be more

[ruby geyser]

Honestly need to do a POB on this mamba build because in game I have 70% crit on main hand and not sure if it's not calculating like the 150% crit against enemies at full life

[frigid wedge]

why crit mamba

[spice pecan]

tick the box in pob "is enemy at full life"

[cobalt blade]

depends on how hard you minmax harvest tbf

[tranquil sedge]

its a rush strategy

low investment per map just spam maps

[cobalt blade]

like if you dont bother fishing for good astrolabes

[tranquil sedge]

no

no astrolabes

[cobalt blade]

oh the low invest stuff

[tranquil sedge]

astrolabes are bad

[cobalt blade]

nah astrolabes good

[tranquil sedge]

nah

not at current prices

[cobalt blade]

You just have to fish :c

[tranquil sedge]

they badge

[spice pecan]

wait are we not running korn scarab harvest for this

[cobalt blade]

did they spike super bad?

[tranquil sedge]

i mean purple and blue prices

they're trash atm

[cobalt blade]

doesnt rly matter

[spice pecan]

ye we always only care about yellow

[tranquil sedge]

then how do u use astrolabes

when u gotta full clear to apply enchant

[cobalt blade]

you fish for 30-50k+ yellow ina single map

by looking for good astrolabe mods

[spice pecan]

50k yellow from 1 map is like crap rotation numbers tho, right

[tranquil sedge]

doubling, 4x sacrifice frag, 8mod map

[frigid wedge]

no

[tranquil sedge]

rush harvest

[cobalt blade]

Non crop rota

[tranquil sedge]

do t3+ yellow

rush mirage

do t3+ yellow

get out

ignore everything else

[spice pecan]

[frigid wedge]

oh ive just been doing every yellow

[cobalt blade]

wdym no D:

[spice pecan]

you have a link to an atlas?

i'm down

[tranquil sedge]

can just give u mine

[spice pecan]

word

[frigid wedge]

im not eating 5 astrolabes before i profit in a map, the entire reason i run harvest at all (i hate it so much) is consistency

[tranquil sedge]

altars dont matter u dont waste time on them, if u accidentally click one along the way great otherwise ignore, no doing anything except rushing harvest, rushing mirage harvest, and starting next map

[cobalt blade]

thats fair i was still profting from the mid astrolabes well testing it

[tranquil sedge]

im using doubling, risk and 3x sacrifice because risk is cheap now

if u dont want then use 4x sacrifice

[frigid wedge]

put on exarch altars

[tranquil sedge]

why

[spice pecan]

what layout"?

[ruby geyser]

@frigid wedge I followed Jungs Mamba build and it's crit reliant. Huge damage against non poisoned enemies but it relies on crit every hit

[cobalt blade]

(also fucking hate harvest tho so stopped fast )

[spice pecan]

mesa or atoll?

[frigid wedge]

theres a node that forces an altar as soon as u encounter an influence pack from exarch

[tranquil sedge]

personal preference bog is great

[tranquil sedge]

i thought ppl do eater altars for the quant upside

does exarch have those?

[cobalt blade]

(specifically I got 3? namharins in a row and said fuck this)

[spice pecan]

since its just rushing i assume scry is basically worthless

[tranquil sedge]

you will kill shit on the way i mean

if ur playing bv

[spice pecan]

ye

[tranquil sedge]

but yes ur not focusing killing stuff

[cobalt blade]

no reason not to have a scry but its probably not worth the time to farm one

but if you have a good map with a scry run it

[spice pecan]

yeah i havent run bog at all so i dont have anything scried to there

[tranquil sedge]

a set of 20 maps is going to net you 50k+ yellow lifeforce on average without risk, more if you use risk scarab

and yellow is 2-2.3k a div for past few days

[spice pecan]

actually in trade i dont have anything scried at all

[tranquil sedge]

now just see how many maps per hour you can do :p

[frigid wedge]

more quant per altar vs way more consistent altars, on ur harvest strat ur very often not gonna kill enough packs to actually spawn an eater altar, with exarch ur gonna see an altar on way to the harvest nearly every map

[cobalt blade]

can also do like mesa as a map

[spice pecan]

doubling, risk, 3x sac, pack size 16.5s? deli? chisel?

[tranquil sedge]

8mod t16 lol

coz its cheap

[spice pecan]

sheesh okay

[tranquil sedge]

no chisel coz its expensive

deli, if u happen to buy deli maps cool

[spice pecan]

dont gotta tell me twice lmao

[frigid wedge]

i can literally produce u a tab of maps for it in about 10 mins tops if u want

if u wait like 20 for me to get on

[spice pecan]

sure, dont think i care about any mods

[tranquil sedge]

prep 20 maps at a time and zoom

[cobalt blade]

if u are buying maps on trade manually set the price btw to below what it gives you as minimum price

trade dumb :3

[ruby geyser]

No cornucopia?

[spice pecan]

apparently no korn

[tranquil sedge]

not worth time spent

too slow

[cobalt blade]

no mortal D:

[tranquil sedge]

and also purple + blue prices are dogwater

[tranquil sedge]

expensive

[ruby geyser]

Agree I hate harvest bosses so much

[tranquil sedge]

i used mortal before

[spice pecan]

ye fighting blue/red bosses feels like such ass

[tranquil sedge]

prices raised too much now

[cobalt blade]

corn you only rly bother with in ssf tbh

[tranquil sedge]

no

[cobalt blade]

fair

[tranquil sedge]

blue and red are the easy bosses to fight

in terms of phasing

yellow is the ass one

[spice pecan]

not what i meant

[tranquil sedge]

that dumbass 5x ambush attack

[cobalt blade]

i think theyd need to be 3-4c per to be worth anything more eh

for a rush strat*

[spice pecan]

it feels like ass cuz the juice is worthless

[tranquil sedge]

yea lot more now :x

[frigid wedge]

mortal are like 10 to 50c, ppl are usin for harvest and tsrget farming greater echo

[spice pecan]

is what i meant

[cobalt blade]

yeah 10-50 not worth for sure

[tranquil sedge]

greater echo? is that an uber atizir drop

[ruby geyser]

Think the most yellow juice I came out of a harvest run was 15k in 1 map and have no idea how

[cobalt blade]

Ye

[tranquil sedge]

also

mythik

should go without saying but anyway

no crop rota, lol

[cobalt blade]

all of the crop rota

[spice pecan]

ye crop rota has been dead the entire leg

but i was doing korn for a good while

[tranquil sedge]

nah there was a time it was worth doin

but it stopped bein worth after a wihle

[tranquil sedge]

also for mirage, obviously prioritize ridan and coins if you see the wish, but otherwise best wish is packsize

and if none of those then take whatever, more gold is always nice

[wheat sinew]

that's a funny one

[tranquil sedge]

sokrate

you gonna synth those clusters?

[wheat sinew]

💀 forgot about that part

[dark kite]

yooo srevvy mind taking one last look at my pob in case i missed something? i think im ready to go https://pobb.in/7T5NSfIlv8f2

[tranquil sedge]

isnt that the whole point of doing on non fracture xd

[wheat sinew]

@split maple mind if I synthesis 2 of the jewels?

shrug the delve recipe is a 1 in 12

[tranquil sedge]

huh?

its a harvest craft wdym

[spice pecan]

heard

[tranquil sedge]

where do be your life gain on hit

[tranquil sedge]

oh u mean to make them

right

[wheat sinew]

I crafted both with 9 total fossil crafts

[dark kite]

noint

[wheat sinew]

[split maple]

best case scenario we get 2 flex pieces

worst case i run one harvest labe

i think you can 😄

[frigid wedge]

yuh

[wheat sinew]

pog ty

[tranquil sedge]

sec peekin

[wheat sinew]

@tranquil sedge enjoy xd

[tranquil sedge]

?? wtf is that luck

3 synth on both i mean, thats a 1/16 or something i forget lol

1% inc attack speed nbnb

[cobalt blade]

do you have the sockets to move the despair out of the enlighten links and empower pof

would get you the lvl 23 pof for +max res and let you change chest implicit

[wheat sinew]

yeah that's what esm was saying

[cobalt blade]

(I think on mobile so cant check it properly)

[wheat sinew]

lmfao

[cobalt blade]

also wtf

[tranquil sedge]

@dark kite wats the future plan for the build

[cobalt blade]

gl rolling implicits

[tranquil sedge]

like, now that ur at pof sublime, whats the next goal

[split maple]

maybe our rng machine finalyl isnt broken anymore 🥺

[dark kite]

iunno. level 100 via breach maps?

just wanted to sanity check to make sure i havent missed anything major

[wheat sinew]

rng ran out kek

[tranquil sedge]

using anoint to solve lgoh is bout 20% dps loss or something but ur still at like 100m+ avg dps anyway so it should be fine for now

[dark kite]

20% loss compared to what?

[sleek barn]

aw what happened to MI BAMA

[cobalt blade]

time to fog it to a wander cluster

[tranquil sedge]

forces of darkness, the usual anoint for non-osin builds

[cobalt blade]

phys wander reroll

[dark kite]

"MI BAMA" sir its called MAMI and i realized id have to level another character

[split maple]

sione

[sleek barn]

holy balls

[tranquil sedge]

ok fine or that xd

[dark kite]

i was sione before so no loss

[cobalt blade]

or both

[sleek barn]

MIAMI the build

[cobalt blade]

[sleek barn]

call it Florida

[spice pecan]

oh bruh i literally had almost this exact atlas, synthesized stability doesnt matter bc no labes right

so there's like 20 points to fuck around with

[sleek barn]

Jooce

[tranquil sedge]

btw i was mainly askin coz i think this is the ur next chase upgrade IF you are ok to swap ur imbue to endurance charge on melee stun and rely on leap slam to fortify instead

[spice pecan]

Jooce

[cobalt blade]

^only thing i could see as a possible optimization

[cobalt blade]

stability is bad

It stops you using scarabs

literally halves your juice

[dark kite]

atlas doesnt matter for nightmare rushing right

[tranquil sedge]

why do you have so much unreserved mana

where is blood and sand

[spice pecan]

ye i was doing it with korn + labes but both of those are out of the picture, so im just double checking that i dont have to waste refund points

[cobalt blade]

Ahh

[tranquil sedge]

sir blood and sand isn't an aura

[cobalt blade]

fair

[tranquil sedge]

you can use it with pof sublime

[sleek barn]

has anyone done beyond for volatiles

[cobalt blade]

It also stops you using atziri frags

[sleek barn]

I have yet to drop one

[spice pecan]

huh? it's not unwavering vision

[tranquil sedge]

dis one

[dark kite]

yeah idk where it went

[tranquil sedge]

you didnt add it

you used to have flesh and stone which is an aura

blood and sand isnt an aura tho

[dark kite]

ahhh

[cobalt blade]

wait im dumb

i read the 20 points and that nd confused rhe nodes

[tranquil sedge]

you use blood stance for this

[sleek barn]

stability is new keystone

[cobalt blade]

[spice pecan]

[tranquil sedge]

ur real dps is somewhere north of 100m+ average sustained dps atm i think on single target

[cobalt blade]

oh also it does matter for boss frags

[tranquil sedge]

so looks ok i guess, give it a go and see how it feels

[cobalt blade]

specifically you want mod effect and quant pathed since higher quant map=more boss frags

[dark kite]

nice nice

[cobalt blade]

/higher average boss frag

[dark kite]

im gonna run some juiced up breach and see how it goes

[tranquil sedge]

its possible to make msoz feel ok for breach

but it requires some changes

[cobalt blade]

youd run gancestrall call support for sure

[spice pecan]

dont you have to swap to LS for unstable breach in that case

[tranquil sedge]

yep
greater ancestral call support replacing one of the supports, maybe take strike range nodes on tree near bottom right cluster, maybe change anoint to sione's ambition, etc

[dark kite]

i have lsoa yea

[tranquil sedge]

is that good for breach

i dont actually understand why lsoa is good

[spice pecan]

tribal fury + siones go pretty hard id imagine

[cobalt blade]

it chains a billion times

[tranquil sedge]

is the chain range big?

[cobalt blade]

you throw on gmp and you have 4 proj that chain

it has like 7 chains inherently srev

[tranquil sedge]

proj?

its a proj skill?

[cobalt blade]

so it just chains across whole packs

yes

[spice pecan]

ye normally the downside is that you dont get shit for proj but you get fat chains

and then slap on gmp and you get the best of both worlds

[tranquil sedge]

OH
im confusing it with ssogl

[cobalt blade]

Its lightning strike but 7 chains

[tranquil sedge]

i think

[cobalt blade]

lol

[spice pecan]

ye the only downside is it requires gmp

[tranquil sedge]

anyway yea nyancy add the other stance skill in blood stance activated and send it

see how it feels

[spice pecan]

whereas you can play regular ls without it but you need pierce

[tranquil sedge]

if u plan to play for much more time then start saving for mirror sword copy if u can accept changing imbue on main 6 link like i said earlier ^

[dark kite]

im probably gonna play till league end but realistically i want to at least try wardloop/wardshatter

[tranquil sedge]

or prepare to make a bigly 5 mod selfcrafted recomb sword ig

[cobalt blade]

(oh and greater chain this league kinda made it one of the top clear skills)

only rly kb and spark compete imo

[tranquil sedge]

those are big skills to compare against dam

[spice pecan]

oh

[dark kite]

ok maybe i wait on breach for now, need to get white sockets back on my sword

[spice pecan]

okay then

[cobalt blade]

imagine having a skill that chains 14 times and you can toss greater fork on it as well +gmp whatever

its clear is absurd

[tranquil sedge]

ill check out a youtube video

[cobalt blade]

check out the armour stacker ones from bigdaddy

[spice pecan]

aaaaand poofed both

this is why i dont fucking gamble

[dark kite]

whats imperfect memories again

[tranquil sedge]

triple synth jewellery

[spice pecan]

triple synth ilvl 100 jewelry

[ruby geyser]

Hahaha. Hoping to get a double damnation def gonna gamble

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SCwCtvPkXU
lmao pc destroying skill

[cobalt blade]

yup

[spice pecan]

i haven't won a single card gamble since harvest was introduced into the game

why do i do this to myself

[tranquil sedge]

shoulda sold the immortal

18d

[spice pecan]

VLS spam but better

nah I had to waste 10d on yellow juice to lose both in 1 click each

[ruby geyser]

Honestly can't believe damnation is a staggering 600 divine. Gonna target farm it rest of the league

[tranquil sedge]

its been pricey all league

it was much higher earlier too

[spice pecan]

the reason im stupefied at how expensive damnation is is the fact that ppl are actually running nohit sanctum

like no hit sanctum isn't just auto free on a 1b dps BV build

[ruby geyser]

It was like over 1000d that is insane. Seems more doable than a mirror

[cobalt blade]

its not even worth turning in the cardset

[spice pecan]

you get one laser or fireball room and you lose

[tranquil sedge]

i meann

running no hit is one thing

[cobalt blade]

that's the more ridiculous part

[tranquil sedge]

but someone has to farm the fkin scriptures

[spice pecan]

ye thats what i mean

[cobalt blade]

like to the point you fucking lost 3 mirrors turning it in at some point

[spice pecan]

there has to be actual ppl running the scriptures

[tranquil sedge]

lole

[spice pecan]

or wait

lets get 5Head here

[tranquil sedge]

raise that number a lot

double digit mirror loss if u turned it in for a while

[spice pecan]

no one actually turns in the cards, no one runs the scriptures, we just all collectively have told ourselves that the cards are worth a ton

[cobalt blade]

i dunno if people were actually buying at the time it was a mirror per card but yea

[cobalt blade]

[spice pecan]

[tranquil sedge]

i definitely saw faustus exchange buy listings for 950+ at one point

[cobalt blade]

holy

[tranquil sedge]

but also

can you imagine if lycia bloodline was not a thing

[frigid wedge]

i swear theres an oversaturation of scriptures on market rn

[ruby geyser]

Imagine losing a mirror on a card gamble lol

[frigid wedge]

massively

and like

2 osins

[tranquil sedge]

like so many builds gonna get fucked without her lole

thank fuck for lycia

[frigid wedge]

the issue is theres NO MARGIN

[spice pecan]

there's one guy in g420 that loses about a mirror per day on gambles and makes about 10

[frigid wedge]

so no reward at all

[cobalt blade]

meowing at you

[tranquil sedge]

eh

[frigid wedge]

last time i checked osin was literally cheaper than scripture by 0.1mir

[cobalt blade]

the people who run scriptures live search for the actual properly priced ones

and some of them list improperly priced ones to try get people to list lol

[tranquil sedge]

wtf just happened

[frigid wedge]

there are no builds rn that want osin bc everyone just runs lycia and fb (colour)

[tranquil sedge]

i accidentally left the sever somehow??

i had to rejoin wat nonsense

[frigid wedge]

no more roles fo ru

[spice pecan]

rip green name lol

[cobalt blade]

did you send something that procced a bot kick lmao

[ruby geyser]

He probably got lucky once and its like uphill from there. Cause say, you get 2 damnation. I'd just gamble one of them and keep farming pushing luck. Cause doubling 1000div is actually worth it. Supposedly with the right strat it drops within about 300 maps

[tranquil sedge]

i did type a message that got deleted

was that it

[spice pecan]

i've been automuted a bunch of times but ive never been bot kicked

[spice pecan]

nah, rog_lobster does this every single league for the first month

he's probably in the top 5 gamblers in poe

[ruby geyser]

Haha love it dude. Gonna focus on gambles next league for sure

[cobalt blade]

lol

Possibly was

[spice pecan]

he buys gold carries constantly and just sits in hideout gambling, his builds are good enough to run temple and that's literally it

lmao

[ruby geyser]

Lmao love it

[dark kite]

turns out hes one of the richest and most powerful gamblers in wraeclast

[frigid wedge]

sounds like maximus

[tranquil sedge]

i sent a modmail ill just wait for a reply ig

[spice pecan]

maximus learned from rog

[frigid wedge]

i asked in helpful input

[tranquil sedge]

tanks

[frigid wedge]

couldn't have learned to be a decent human being while he was bein tutored?

[tranquil sedge]

there's no keyboard shortcut that leaves a server on discord is there?

[ruby geyser]

Dude I just know winning a whole mirror on a gamble is an instant addiction

[spice pecan]

not as far as i know

[spice pecan]

idk whats up with maximus, but rog is chill af

[cobalt blade]

honestly if you do it enough you can desensitize yourself

[frigid wedge]

no, but u can see all of them if u click control and /

[ruby geyser]

Real though.

[spice pecan]

rog's status on friendslist rn

he removed the damnation count from his status wtf

he was like +220 damnations

[ruby geyser]

Dude someone posted on reddit literally a couple days ago and had came up like 122 damnation gambling

[cobalt blade]

wheres the 5 flask mb counter smh

[split maple]

That's the same dude who did Massive svallin gamba few leagues ago?

[spice pecan]

yes

last league

[split maple]

Amazeballs

[spice pecan]

he's a legend

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[spice pecan]

he had the huge reddit post about it

[split maple]

Look whos green

[tranquil sedge]

that man singlehandedly dominated svalin market 😂

[spice pecan]

wtf green name

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[split maple]

Finally srev

[spice pecan]

and yeah he completely owned the svalinn market lol

[split maple]

You rly earned it

[ruby geyser]

Like what easier way to get rich? Can't think of too many other options. Hopefully this strat works cause targeting cards will probably be top farms from here on. That's if any are near that much next league

[split maple]

Surprised you werent Green before

[dark kite]

srev's been green for a while now no?

[spice pecan]

srev - maybe senses, maybe esm

[spice pecan]

he got botkicked for some reason

ripbozo

[dark kite]

expected value on rushing "scoured" nightmares is pretty high right

[spice pecan]

uh, i think it is if you're running the one that has uhtred right

[dark kite]

abomination has uber maven frags which are over 200c each

and no lengthy boss phases

[spice pecan]

oh true

i just know the uhtred one drops cowb

but yeah takes forever

[dark kite]

layout sucks too

[spice pecan]

i mean they all do

[normal hedge]

srev what have you said to get kicked

[spice pecan]

[normal hedge]

D:

[dark kite]

abom is less so

[tranquil sedge]

srev may be stupid but not that stupid

[split maple]

meanie

[normal hedge]

lmfao i wasnt trying to make you say it again

[ruby geyser]

[normal hedge]

crazy

[spice pecan]

happy anniversary

now kiss

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/minions-kiss-2

[cobalt blade]

the thought of celebrating the anniversary of being discord friends is extremely funny and i dont know why

[normal hedge]

ikr

[spice pecan]

me and my best friend will hit 10 years in august on discord lmao

[cobalt blade]

idt i have anyone added from back when i originally made this account

literally just had it to join game discords or a discord for like specific minecraft servers lmfao

[spice pecan]

my friend was the one who made me hop on disco back when it came out i think

[frigid wedge]

mythik did u want deli

[spice pecan]

oh sorry

uh i dont rly care about deli

[frigid wedge]

not for the quant bonus

?

[spice pecan]

i mean if it doesn't hurt you then sure

[tranquil sedge]

there's no downsides to deli for this

ok maybe when killing the boss its slower sometimes

coz he does that dumb deli attack

[spice pecan]

ye i just dont want sans to do extra cbt for getting deli maps

[stuck phoenix]

It's a separate bot from the official automod

older system

[bleak quiver]

smh, missed mr beast free money again

[spice pecan]

but sure yeah i guess deli good

[frigid wedge]

literally just swap those

[dark kite]

yeah this is probably worth it

[stuck phoenix]

and it isn't for 1 violation

[frigid wedge]

is chill

[spice pecan]

word, deli good then

[tranquil sedge]

whatchu doing naca

[frigid wedge]

kk

[spice pecan]

how much do you want for an inventory btw

[frigid wedge]

idrc

[spice pecan]

i havent bought maps this entire leg

[frigid wedge]

samesies

[tranquil sedge]

you can buy on trade for like 7-10c in large quantities np

bulk buy on tft prices are 50-100% higher

[frigid wedge]

or u can run 1 originator map and drop 30

[spice pecan]

so it's like a div ish per inventory then

[cobalt blade]

Wuh

[frigid wedge]

bro please

[spice pecan]

maybe 2d with regex but im not regexing shit

[tranquil sedge]

just generic t17 rush?

[cobalt blade]

im not even playing poe1 rn

[spice pecan]

poser smh

[tranquil sedge]

oh

[cobalt blade]

Real

[tranquil sedge]

that was nyancy

lol

[ruby geyser]

Watcha playing?

[cobalt blade]

that makes more sense was confused :p

[frigid wedge]

i keep getting an ad for a free sports bra if u buy 2 leggings for £19 and while it sounds good there is literally nothing to put in it

[cobalt blade]

gender anyway :3

[astral shadow]

looks like when i was looping in a streamer's hideout and he loaded for 2 minute

[frigid wedge]

u buy 2 leggings and give me the sports bra :3

[cobalt blade]

loll

[wheat sinew]

@split maple hehehe

[split maple]

you got this all too easy

[frigid wedge]

?

[split maple]

funny strstackers getting life for free

while i have to struggle for every lil bit

[frigid wedge]

ik most of this chat is guys but omg they feel so good to wear

[cobalt blade]

isee i see

need to get some fr

[frigid wedge]

you gotta get the right ones tho

[spice pecan]

till the thing comes out the side and pokes you

[frigid wedge]

not the weird cheap ones that dont hug anything

[frigid wedge]

?

[spice pecan]

that's like the biggest complaint about sports bras i see

[frigid wedge]

hmm?

i meant the leggings

[ruby geyser]

My girlfriend hates them for whatever reason I wouldn't know

[spice pecan]

oh LOL

[frigid wedge]

i would like to hear more now tho

do tell

[cobalt blade]

im ngl i also thought you were talking about sports bras

but yknow i need leggings too :3

[livid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-musclefreak-bodybuilding-bodybuilder-pecs-gif-5515948

[spice pecan]

ye bras have this fucking thing where eventually a hard plastic liner-retainer-thingy wears thru

and then it pokes you right in your armpit

[frigid wedge]

oh u mean underwire ones

?

[spice pecan]

yeah the underwire

[ruby geyser]

Haha yeah she stopped wearing them altogether in like you do you baby boo

[frigid wedge]

i dont think most ppl wear underwire

[stuck phoenix]

bro has no legs

[split maple]

i will get proper filter tomorrow

[frigid wedge]

i have enough leggings

naca does not have any

[spice pecan]

https://klipy.com/gifs/reaction-my-eyes

[frigid wedge]

get her some without an underwire or smth

[spice pecan]

leggings are like the biblically superior version of skinny jeans imo

i own two pairs, love them

they suck if you sweat a lot tho

[limpid prairie]

what if you combined both and called the jeggings

[spice pecan]

this is haram

[frigid wedge]

u own 2 pairs of which

[spice pecan]

leggings

haven't worn skinny jeans since like 2010 lmao

[tranquil sedge]

mythik too caked up for skinny jeans?

[spice pecan]

nowadays yeah, but back then negative

[frigid wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cute-sus-stare-fox-girl-gif-2773443117564484523

[spice pecan]

i was maybe 130 pounds soaking wet, you can thank marching band for that

but nowadays i am indeed caked up

[wheat sinew]

flees is such a bad modifier lol

I made sonic

[frigid wedge]

me at like 120 tops

[spice pecan]

ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND~~~

[dark kite]

good god im two of you

[frigid wedge]

do they make them for men?

[limpid prairie]

creates walls and flees

so those do always cone together uh?

[spice pecan]

i dunno how i even got them but they're comfy when it's cold

lmao

no idea if they're "for men" or anything

[bleak quiver]

they make them for sports

[tranquil sedge]

yah but also like its leggings so the stretch just accomodates anyway

[spice pecan]

oh maybe i got them in some sports med package from my college marching band days

[frigid wedge]

yes but theres a quite notable lump when men wear them

[bleak quiver]

generally runners or triathlon

[spice pecan]

good thing i dont wear them in public

[frigid wedge]

mm

[spice pecan]

i think they were from some sports med thing from my college days tho

[limpid prairie]

worrying about your pants being the right gender is too gender normative for this chat

[cobalt blade]

last time i weighed myself like 3~ years ago i was about 49kg x3 which is i think 100-110 ish pounds range and havent rly changed much since then

[frigid wedge]

designed to be for x gender

[spice pecan]

bc i used to have to tape my feet and ankles heavily before every football game for marching band

[frigid wedge]

how has it been 3 years

also

tiny!!

[cobalt blade]

i just dont weigh myself idk

[dark kite]

i last weighted myself like a year ago and was 250 on the dot

[spice pecan]

ye i've been right around 190-200lbs for the last decade or so

[bleak quiver]

gotta be confident i guess

[spice pecan]

but in my marching band days i was like 150 and ripped as fuck

now im just caked

[tranquil sedge]

my fat ass sitting at 85kg atm is struggling to remember what it was like back at my usual 60-65
but ima get back there within a year

[frigid wedge]

of pure muscle right

[cobalt blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kate-review-gif-21159087

[dark kite]

haha. ha.

[split maple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rVTBCtYjoY

[dark kite]

nah girl im the world's thiccest marshmallow

[grizzled lily]

who bought all my interrogations?

[frigid wedge]

proof?

[grizzled lily]

theyre 35c rn

im still corrupting them

[frigid wedge]

"my usual" and its a 20 kilo diff

[tranquil sedge]

i say usual like it was recent but in reality that was like 10 years ago

[grizzled lily]

i havent gotten my corrupted blood interrogation yet

[tranquil sedge]

i let myself go miserably hard and peaked at like 100kg it was bad lol

but i rly should be at 65-70 lean so its a bunch of work left for that

[dark kite]

i dont think that would be appropriate to post

[frigid wedge]

that was the joke

[frigid wedge]

question: how dat happen

[livid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-cat-fat-cat-cat-break-door-im-coming-gif-8687027777808364210

[tranquil sedge]

work from home, and lazy, and food to cure mental during covid

[frigid wedge]

i feel like covid fucked over a lot of ppl

[spice pecan]

my job was one of the first to get immediately cut when covid happened yeah

[frigid wedge]

super meh map

[dark kite]

ok, ive run 10 "scoured" nightmares at essentially 20c investment per map

[spice pecan]

i was a section leader for a church choir, can't have churches when old ppl are super immunodeficient

and old ppl make up 90% of your church

[livid quarry]

why do old ppl join church?

[frigid wedge]

fear

[spice pecan]

they've been going for years and years

[frigid wedge]

and nothing better to do anymore

[livid quarry]

[spice pecan]

and ye they dont rly have anything else to do, and theyve been going for 50+ years

presbyterians were super chill tho

[bleak quiver]

either cuz they dont have another way to meet people their age, or they just kept going from youth

[dark kite]

i have turned 200c into 8k in the last half hour

could be faster if i stopped yapping

[spice pecan]

we use poe as a yap simulator

do not worry

[tranquil sedge]

t17 rushing?

[dark kite]

yea

[limpid prairie]

8k c 16 divs/h?

[bleak quiver]

the prices for them dropped dramatically while the frags didnt

[dark kite]

like i said, could be much faster if i stop yapping

[frigid wedge]

what were

[dark kite]

but its a p easy strat

[spice pecan]

presbyterian was the denomination of the church i worked for

[dark kite]

ill prolly run the sirus frags afterwards

[limpid prairie]

i was more highlighting the chaos value drop maybe sell ratios are better in divs

[dark kite]

even if i dont get any more baryas its like 4k chaos per 200c invested, for like 380c back per map, and i have another 170 to run

[tranquil sedge]

4k chaos per 200c invested
wat

wat kinda rush is this

[cold sable]

i have a conquest lamellar with:
29% qual
8% increased defense mod magnitudes
max sacred roll (831 base evasion)
+365 to evasion (pre 8% increase)
+110% increased evasion (pre 8%)
+42% increased evasion (pre 8%)

so why is the final evasion number 4156 and not 4198?

[spice pecan]

do you run the baryas or just sell

[dark kite]

sell

[dark kite]

200c is 10 maps

[tranquil sedge]

nightmare maps are that cheap now?

[frigid wedge]

ahh

[tranquil sedge]

huh good to know i needed to buy some

[frigid wedge]

i have a bunch if u need

[spice pecan]

something is happening before qual and something is happening after qual, or before/after enchant, it's poe we dont know

[dark kite]

i can toss some your way for helping me out with this build if you want

[tranquil sedge]

nty just run your maps lol

[spice pecan]

something might be incorrectly listed in the wiki

[limpid prairie]

T17s bosses can be tough though :s

[dark kite]

not when you remove the mods via scrab :)

[cold sable]

this shouldnt matter because multiplication is communitave

[spice pecan]

my conquest lamellar is very similar in ssf

[limpid prairie]

doing both suffix prefix scarab?

[dark kite]

yer

[limpid prairie]

maybe ill do them like that...

[dark kite]

still averaging over 2 frags per map

[spice pecan]

ive actually wondered this myself

[frigid wedge]

place ur bets ppl

[dark kite]

check the mirages for boss arena and ridan otherwise just leave

[whole bluff]

What can it drop?

[cold sable]

it doesnt make sense

[frigid wedge]

maps

[limpid prairie]

69 -43

[cold sable]

theres no way i can see that i can split the numbers to agree with the ingame values

[spice pecan]

like mine has 15 higher flat evasion from the frac mod

[whole bluff]

So you're just farming maps? Bets on how many I guess based on responses

[dark kite]

all these nightmare maps came from my bossmaxxing strat with awakening/pandemonium/etc

[spice pecan]

but it's 43 and the sacred rolls are the exact same

[cold sable]

15x1.2x2.4 =43.2

[spice pecan]

huh, word

yeah i have no idea whats going on with yours then

[cold sable]

oh ig it could be rounding

im using sheets and just doing them all manually

[spice pecan]

game always rounds down tho

[tranquil sedge]

rounding isn't going to affect it that much

[spice pecan]

yeah it's just -1 from rounding afaik

at most

[tranquil sedge]

just double check ur math and order of operations

[frigid wedge]

holy awful altars

[spice pecan]

less recovery per endu is so fucking annoying

[cold sable]

i cant screenshot forgive me

pc doesnt have discord

[frigid wedge]

doesnt touch me

[cold sable]

so i guess i lose like 50 evasion to rounding ?

[tranquil sedge]

the 1.08 is wrong

[spice pecan]

fellow based 99% full google drive person i see

[cold sable]

y

[tranquil sedge]

uh

[spice pecan]

1.08 is the heist enchant

[tranquil sedge]

lemme think if i said smth dumb

[cold sable]

its communitave

doesnt matter if inside or outside the brackets

[tranquil sedge]

right

[cobalt blade]

you have to do the +8% on hybrid and regular inc separately btw

[frigid wedge]

no map dupe

[cobalt blade]

each one rounds separate

[frigid wedge]

oir quant altar

[cold sable]

wym?

[tranquil sedge]

oh

it does matter

[cold sable]

oh

[spice pecan]

oh wtf

[cold sable]

i can try smth

[tranquil sedge]

coz the 1.08 doesnt apply to quality

[cobalt blade]

yea

[tranquil sedge]

ur math is assuming ur applies to quality

[spice pecan]

you're right

[tranquil sedge]

so u can't directly just 1.08x the value at the end