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[wheat sinew]

how

[frigid wedge]

recomb from syndicate

frac

[wheat sinew]

I tried

but the fracs failed

gonna settle on this

KEK

[frigid wedge]

if esm can hit janus u can hit hillock

[wheat sinew]

hell nah

[frigid wedge]

this helmet still hurts my soul

[split maple]

i am still paying for that janus

frac doesnt want to hit the gloves now

[frigid wedge]

i hate this helmet quite a lot

[split maple]

why

[frigid wedge]

theres at least 2 more rarity affixes there

[split maple]

yea gonna recraft it soon

give me asec to emulate plan

[wheat sinew]

bro needs to hit his helmet first

LOL

[split maple]

idk if i can afford having iir suffix instead of chaos res tho

need to pob it still

[wheat sinew]

surely

[split maple]

1 in 8 4fossil combo for suffix 💀 1 in 7 sufflock reforge drop if empty suffix

mines do be calling

[frigid wedge]

reforge drop

:D

i swear there was another way to force abyssal

[split maple]

already got jewels preped

ignore implicits, we dont have enough chickens

[tranquil sedge]

big jewels dam

[split maple]

okay i am slowly realizing last time i opened that pob was before ff pair

wtb one more socket in ranger area 💀

[tranquil sedge]

same gib socket

[split maple]

okay it feels rly rly dirty

but i am thinking about droping thread of hope

if i could somehow force 3rd large cluster.... to also fit unnatural instinct in...

[tranquil sedge]

so hard to do that 🙁

[wheat sinew]

1p voices when

Got one last league but it's not this league

[wheat sinew]

Do ya need any megalos

Cuz we might have a pair that could substitute a large

[split maple]

man i am so socket starved i couldnt even fit in megalo if it had inf dmg on it

[wheat sinew]

Fr ?

[crisp obsidian]

biggest lie of 2026 so far

you could always fit in an infinite damage jewel

[frigid wedge]

how come

[split maple]

• need to somehow fit in stormy

[frigid wedge]

why the smalls

[split maple]

maybe i just drop ff but i just got used to having singletarget

[crisp obsidian]

can't drop any of the larges for voices?

[tranquil sedge]

i relate to you so much atm

[split maple]

one for suppress + omni, other for reservation efficiency + omni

[crisp obsidian]

ah omni stacker so I guess 12p larges

[split maple]

8p larges, attrib are on smalls

[wheat sinew]

Bruh

XD

[split maple]

i could drop one large for voices actually

[frigid wedge]

what about u get 1 aerialist cluster and fog it to reservation?

[wheat sinew]

Surely there is akegalo that's better

[tranquil sedge]

if u can make giga small jewels i think using 8p + 3p prety strong too ye

[split maple]

just need to get 2p for power charge gen

[crisp obsidian]

yeah if you aren't using 12p larges then voices is most likely better

for this situation

[wheat sinew]

Hey fear not

I have another 30 simus

... And a whole invincible season to get through

XD

[tranquil sedge]

can you link your pob

the one you're viewing/working on atm

[split maple]

sec, need to config it proper then

but yea i think i can drop sadist+stormrider cluster, then slap in 2 points into wand wheel and its ok assuming i get somewhere 10 passives to path down to one more suppress whell to compensate for rarity hat

[frigid wedge]

Rarity: Rare
Crafted Item
Mana Reservation

Item Level: 100

Added Small Passive Skills have 35% increased Effect
Added Small Passive Skills also grant: +8 to Intelligence
Added Small Passive Skills also grant: +14 to Strength
1 Added Passive Skill is Aerialist

@split maple

[wheat sinew]

issue is fogs

xd

[frigid wedge]

can farm those tho

v vaal+fog farm

[split maple]

fracs are bigger issue tbh

aerialist looks hella proper tho

[wheat sinew]

oh true

[frigid wedge]

harby uniques onto the filter gogogogogogogo

[wheat sinew]

yeahhh

only took 3 breach astrolabes for 1 set

(as in 20 harb uniques xd)

[frigid wedge]

esm has rarity setup tho

so

more uniques

[wheat sinew]

wait esm how much rarity are ya on

[frigid wedge]

not enough

134 plus janus

[wheat sinew]

kek I have more on my str stacker

[frigid wedge]

lmaooo

[frigid wedge]

tbf hes omni

[dense rock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TEcDhtKS2QPqE

[frigid wedge]

to be less fair

omni is a shit choice for rarity char

[wheat sinew]

stonks another 5p voices

[split maple]

196% against uniques, 184% against rares if i didnt miscount

oh wait 116% more

forgot wondertraps

[frigid wedge]

what if i join the gsf just to make kboc necro with more rarity than esm

[wheat sinew]

lmfao

[frigid wedge]

i wouldnt be opposed

also I'm p sure i can hit like 140 rarity with literally just my ring and flask

[tranquil sedge]

can't you just anoint disciple of the forbidden

idk wat ur anointing currently but ^ ?

[split maple]

utmost might is kinda cool

[frigid wedge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/pl78865/character/marc_aureli-3722/EsmCanIntoClear?

[tranquil sedge]

or even anoint overcharged

and then you solve all 3 charges

if ur clearing lots of mobs all 3 charges gonna sustain right

[frigid wedge]

speaking of... why not run the utmost boss farm rest of league

[split maple]

thats old sans, coz ninja doesnt update when gear slots missing

[frigid wedge]

lmaoooo

[split maple]

and i am switching hh between chars

[frigid wedge]

btw how does the cluster go for u

did u try it in pob

[wheat sinew]

btw for utmost

that means I need to stop doing fortress

and I don't see a pof sublime

[split maple]

thats rn: https://pobb.in/BjXr8IMnjn4f

lemme swap in that voices idea and rarity helm now

we dont have any 3p voices rite sokrate

[frigid wedge]

i meant the 3p cluster to replace both ur current ones

[wheat sinew]

give me a day

[frigid wedge]

also if u just got a better cinder couldnt u just, drop death rush for a big heist ring

[split maple]

aerialist would be obviously good^tm

[wheat sinew]

better cinder?

[split maple]

wdym better cinder? its my sole es sustain

[wheat sinew]

the cata flask?

[frigid wedge]

cinderswallow

[frigid wedge]

i assume no intention of ever recrafting ur body

can get it there

for life or es

[split maple]

maybe i make a same one again

then dc the one with worse tier of iir

[frigid wedge]

as a sidenote

having explode is counter intuitive

from ur large

[wheat sinew]

just use this kekw

[frigid wedge]

u lose 50 rarity to things u kill with cluster explode

so maybe go for a storm drinkie

:3

[split maple]

hmm feed the fury instead of devastator

got overleech anyways

[modest sparrow]

[frigid wedge]

and then helical time!!!

[split maple]

adrenaline is staying eri

[frigid wedge]

but why

[split maple]

25% increased Attack, Cast, and Movement Speed

[frigid wedge]

but

but

[split maple]

10% pdr

[frigid wedge]

omni and rarity

[split maple]

100% dmg

[frigid wedge]

ok esm lets be real for a sec

the pdr isnt in this discussion

u have normal build life pool with extra life hh buff

[split maple]

if anything i would swap it with nimis

but i dont want to think about imbuing kb again

[frigid wedge]

i feel like going omni with no rings is kinda a waste tho

why not just use trinity

[silent leaf]

[wheat sinew]

what color

[split maple]

i dont want to think about it sokrate

[frigid wedge]

plus omni kinda eats ur rarity affixes

[split maple]

its samey damage as yoke with easier res cap (and like invest is just 2 small clusters anoint & intelect wheel vs yoke ailment stacking so not all that much worse)

thats pretty much it

i am not gonna convict sokrate to utmost jail 😄

[wheat sinew]

well

it's what 100 kills of each other uber

uhgh

[frigid wedge]

heist ammy

[wheat sinew]

nvm it requires maven

It's never happening

[frigid wedge]

for rarity

[wheat sinew]

could do that ^

lmk which one is more prio

[split maple]

https://pobb.in/e19bSqCXXNN1

idk where to take 11 passives away from

its prolly simple, just life whells or smh

[frigid wedge]

esm

when i suggested the aerialist small

the idea was to run 3p and drop 1

[split maple]

Oh

So voices -> 8p clustero or keep voices and throw in unnatural instinct

And somehow bully scion to get more passives

Okay what if I slap Nimis in and imbue lifetap on kb

Would Save me some mana work

nimis on kb is just 100% more dmg no caveat rite?

[frigid wedge]

the caveat is that ur dps is shit more than 4 pixels away from a mob

[split maple]

so what drop far shot and take point blank you say

[frigid wedge]

i meant bc the proj will just miss

far shot is still good

need it for clear tbh

[spice pecan]

also @karmic gust calling you out rn, my bv glad has 310m dps with crit belt and marylenes. I pobbedd mageblood+misted crit simplex and that dps came out to.. 60m. Why are we saying belt+marylene is bad? couild you maybe show an example?

[split maple]

https://pobb.in/JxJlNqThrQqU

oh wait i need to fix life reserve there too, 54% -.-

[karmic gust]

i mean look at all those bv setups that arent using diamond belt and marylenes

and aree doing more damage than you

im not sure how you are only at 60M dps without it tho

[spice pecan]

they all fucking suck lol

[crisp obsidian]

310m sounds low for bv

[spice pecan]

that is why

[karmic gust]

idk my build does more damage and is more tanky than you and its not using diamond shrine either, and a lot of the chieftain setups also look rly good. and that ascendancy do not rly gives any meaningful damage

[spice pecan]

if I, ME can pob 300m dps, something is wrong

[marsh eagle]

When are patch notes, today or next week?

[wheat sinew]

21st iirc

[karmic gust]

well thats why i made the abyssus comparison before right

[spice pecan]

also, fuck the bow swap shit

[frigid wedge]

We're calling belt marylene bad bc ur setup with belt marylene uses it as primary source of multi

[karmic gust]

its same thing

its also pretty hard to find abyssus setup with bad dps doesnt mean that abyssus isnt bad item to build around

[crisp obsidian]

anyone can pob high dps with low maxhits and no movement speed

[spice pecan]

cool tell me where glad gets multi elsewhere

[frigid wedge]

jewels

rings

support

[spice pecan]

all dogshit

[karmic gust]

or just go non crit

lol

[spice pecan]

non crit lmfao

[frigid wedge]

yeah crit really isnt needed when u have 50k flat

[spice pecan]

we've actually bypased the barrel and we're now scraping the dirt

[frigid wedge]

also u didnt even consider a single one of those

u just said nope

and carried on

[wheat sinew]

[spice pecan]

jewels have to be minion life prefix fwiw

[frigid wedge]

whats it for

[karmic gust]

30% of bv builds on ladder are EO atm, because yea, when you get damage for free, then you rly dont need to make your build worse

for no reason

[wheat sinew]

just funny double aoe bow cluster

[karmic gust]

and i bet a lot of them also have more than 300M dps

[wheat sinew]

speaking of crit belt

could fit in omni for res and attributes

[crisp obsidian]

yeah first you just need to stun enemy with a two handed melee weapon :p

[karmic gust]

this has diminishing returns, i have like 2 minion life abyss jewels and thats only because i was bored

not because its optimal

[wheat sinew]

weapon slam leap slam

[frigid wedge]

reminder that 21 20 crit dmg support is 150 crit multi btw

and imbued is 100

[spice pecan]

point is, is that i go from 300m -> 60m dps, fully pobbed, by switching to a mageblood + MISTED simplex set

[crisp obsidian]

you clearly didn't pob it well

if you went from 300mil to 60mil

can you show the 60mil pob

[spice pecan]

no one needs jiji input thanks

[frigid wedge]

how much of the marylene setup dps was culling dps

[karmic gust]

well i agree with jiji input

you for sure did not pobbed it well

if your previous setup was based on marylenes and diamond shrine then you need to change a lot morethere than just belt and ammy slot

[rough field]

Your base crit is also low so crit multi simplex isn't gonna be good, mabie phys as extra focused is better

[spice pecan]

that is the entire fucking point lmao

holy shit can i talk to people who are not bots?

[karmic gust]

if the point is that you are incapable of pobbing something else thats better then sure

[spice pecan]

this is correct

[wheat sinew]

tldr; 2 items vs full build swap for crit cap + good multi

[crisp obsidian]

maybe stop acting so hostile towards everyone

[karmic gust]

and thats again just the abyssus comparison

[spice pecan]

maybe don't act like a fuckin bot constantly so that people might like you

not hard!!!!

[rough field]

Yus you have to replace a bit of everything on all pages, crit vs non-crit

Slight passive tree change, slight gem change, flask, gear, config

[karmic gust]

i would just go EO on most of these setups that arent using HH from get go

you get so much damage you can be unkillable, have all the movespeed in the world and still do 500m+ dps

[spice pecan]

db hit the nail on the head anyway

[rough field]

Then you can get da full picture

[karmic gust]

as the setup is just so turbo broken

[crisp obsidian]

I don't need people to like me 😔

[spice pecan]

this pob is beyond what i can do

[spice pecan]

thanks, didnt ask, dont post

fuck off somewhere else

[frigid wedge]

gentle reminder that rt was the preference for ee trickster over crit

[spice pecan]

go to the fucking poo2 chat if you want to stir helpless shit in replies, fuckin crony

jesus christ dude

[frigid wedge]

what did jiji do to you man

[spice pecan]

fucking annoying ass plague

that's what

[frigid wedge]

not trying to defend, literally just want all the info

[spice pecan]

the only time he comes in here is to either act like a shitty bot, or to act like some semblance of a human that stirs shit

everyone fucking knows this lol, no one has had any real human interaction with this dude

[crisp obsidian]

all I asked was to link the 60mil pob

idk what I did

outside of that

[limpid prairie]

Monsters with attack speed so strong against my melee build :(

[spice pecan]

all i ask is that you stop being a fucking bot bro

go live in poo2 chat

[crisp obsidian]

I can't deny my identity as jijigpt sorry

[spice pecan]

we do not want you here

[frigid wedge]

arma?

[limpid prairie]

of course im locked in here

cause i dont want to repeat sanctum

[frigid wedge]

maybe get sum block

[silent leaf]

maybe u get sum bitches

[frigid wedge]

did that

[karmic gust]

arctic armour

[spice pecan]

i fucking hate people i swear

[silent leaf]

nah cap

[karmic gust]

the chill on hit is actually pretty solid defense ngl

[dry tree]

Too chilly

[karmic gust]

from aa

[dry tree]

I need a jacket

[karmic gust]

when arethey bringing alt qual aa back

smh

[dry tree]

As soon as they switch back to old mana res

[limpid prairie]

yeah i was thinking about that with the whole life stacker angle but there is so much travel on the tree is hard to fit
I lose 1 medium cluster one large and likely one life or 1 and one half for 50 50 block
i do get my boots back thanks to this

[karmic gust]

i was wondering, what kind of evil software do you even use to take those screenshots

[limpid prairie]

bruh

[frigid wedge]

?

[limpid prairie]

always like this :(

[frigid wedge]

why no disciple node

[limpid prairie]

its a setting on windows screenshot program win shift S and look at the setting that appear at the top middle

[karmic gust]

oh interesting, i thought it can just do squares, but havent used windows in a while :d

but that sounds like a lot more effort than just drawing square ngl

[frigid wedge]

anont

[unborn hollow]

when is new league?

[limpid prairie]

Annoint is capping my max res right now mmmh everything sucks

i should really leave the league is like trying to fight a brick wall the build is bad

[crisp obsidian]

https://pobb.in/kFkPLrM6GARA I did very minimal changes and it reached 100mil

[spice pecan]

https://pobb.in/E0u9PWX6CrDq

besides melding, can anyone explain why i lose over 200 MILLION dps for this mageblood setup, over a crit belt + marylene's setup?

can anyone actually, verifiably, explain why crit belt and marylene bad

or is everyone just talking shit about things they know nothing about

[crisp obsidian]

not necessary bad, just way less QoL like movement speed and maxhits than mageblood setup

[spice pecan]

no dude people act like you get the same damage with mageblood

[silent leaf]

if GGG doesnt know

[crisp obsidian]

you do if you build it for damage

[spice pecan]

and you literally DO NOT lol

[silent leaf]

how tf do players do

[crisp obsidian]

you are forcing crit too much there

[spice pecan]

so then i go some shitty ass amulet and you expect that i get damage?

are we playing the same game?

[crisp obsidian]

look

with very minimal changes it reached 100mil by going EO and +2/+2 amulet

[spice pecan]

bro

you're using +4 phys focused

without even knowing why/how minion pact works

lol

[karmic gust]

mostly because you have no scaling

all you have is inc without the crit, and the amount of inc is low

[crisp obsidian]

I know how minion pact works

[spice pecan]

no scaling, meanwhile i'm running 700 crit multi, herald of ash for phys as fire, hatred for phys as cold

[crisp obsidian]

you stack spectre life to get huge added damage to bv

[spice pecan]

light of meaning + unnatural for phys

and 16 tattoos for phys lol

oh i have heatshiver too jfc, that's scaling too

[karmic gust]

yea and look at this

[frigid wedge]

crit chance, 26% 😭

[karmic gust]

you would be legit better off going pure phys here ngl

even on your crit setup

[spice pecan]

that's kinda what i was already trying to do

rare convert gloves do nothing

[karmic gust]

espeially if you arre diamond shrine thats like the 1 benefit you are getting here

with the impale spell gloves

[spice pecan]

i do not want to play a 60m dps build when i have a 300m dps build ready and available.

impale gloves do not fix that.

ironically tho i originally pobbed pure phys impale bv champ

stupidly high single target, stupidly low qol

[karmic gust]

i mean champ is kinda garbage these days ngl

especialyl if you dont need attack speedor banners

[spice pecan]

so i guess my question is this

can I get 300m dps, aka the same as i have now, without crit belt?

[karmic gust]

yes

[spice pecan]

sorry the q was too simple

on the items i'm already using, can that happen

[crisp obsidian]

no

[karmic gust]

nope

[frigid wedge]

no bc that's not how changing a setup works

[spice pecan]

I've pobbed literally the best crit simplex that is possible

[frigid wedge]

with 26% crit chance

[karmic gust]

you are pobbing crit simplex with this so yea ofc :d

[spice pecan]

glad does not have access to crit chance

for spells

[frigid wedge]

it does, u get global shit

amd yk

[spice pecan]

tell me where there's global crit chance in glad area

[frigid wedge]

base crit on ur body armour

[karmic gust]

noone has access to crit chance from ascendacny outside of like assassin

[frigid wedge]

clusters

[spice pecan]

oh body is a thing yea

[frigid wedge]

pathing up

jewels

[crisp obsidian]

eagle eye

xddd

[frigid wedge]

auras (notably zealotry)

[karmic gust]

as i said i would just go non crit

[spice pecan]

witch area disagrees, right side disagrees

[karmic gust]

most of the time

[frigid wedge]

charge gen

for pcharges

[karmic gust]

right side sucks for crit outside of weapon specific nodes

[spice pecan]

okay, how would I scale my damage outside of crit in this case tho

[karmic gust]

well on non crit i would start with clicking eo

[spice pecan]

it just seems like crit is literally the only vector to scale

[frigid wedge]

ele overload+rf is a pretty large amount of % more

plus nebu

or smth

[karmic gust]

yea

[crisp obsidian]

if you really want to go crit outside of belt I think you would have to drop shield for rathpith

and go lifestack

but idk if even that is enough crit

[karmic gust]

it is

[spice pecan]

if lifestack could actually clear, i would consider it

otherwise we wouldn't be here lol. i would just play jung's build

[karmic gust]

i mean it can in same way as you can right, you just equip explody wep instead of chest

and scale aoe

jungs setup just didnt do any of that because he made it for valdos only no

[frigid wedge]

u can def fit explode into lifestack

u can use unspeakable gifts clusters too

[spice pecan]

i hate clusters

[frigid wedge]

:/

[spice pecan]

do not ever use the word "cluster" when referencing me

actual slur

[frigid wedge]

literally ur own pob

[spice pecan]

yeah he did, which is specifically why i went the heatshiver route and kinda pobbed it on my own

i wanted to scale phys as extra, since you get infinite phys

[karmic gust]

i think the heeatshiver route is terrible idea regardless ifyou want to go diamond shrine or not ngl

[spice pecan]

herald of ash + hatred both scale phys as extra, so it makes sense

[karmic gust]

especially wiht grace of the goddess

[spice pecan]

how is it terrible when you get a bunch of flat cold and fire lol

and you're scaling phys as extra cold/fire

[karmic gust]

its terrible idea because of this, your damage is split in like 3 different ways, you are wasting half of heatshiver

[frigid wedge]

bc helmet is big value slot

[karmic gust]

30% dps when enemy is frozen ticked

[spice pecan]

yeah helm is big slot true

i dont have frozen ticked

[karmic gust]

is kinda terrible

you do

or well the pob you shared had

[spice pecan]

uh, no i dont?

[karmic gust]

either way this is only 30% with frozen ticked

[karmic gust]

you def get wa better value out of +2 minion helm, maybe with abyss socket

[karmic gust]

is the enemy frozen is ticked there

lol

[spice pecan]

im actually dented lol

[nocturne maple]

Anti reading ability strikes again

[spice pecan]

my bad

anyway

+2 minion helm is dogshit

when +3 boots exist

[crisp obsidian]

why not both

[spice pecan]

since you dont even care about prefixes on boots in the first place outside of ms

[karmic gust]

you know the helm is global levels

right

[spice pecan]

oh it is

[karmic gust]

yeae, very easy to craft too

with the new minion reforge

i used something like this for example

[spice pecan]

db making me feel stupid is kind of like my new fetish ngl

(platonic)

wait why frac life? failed frac?

[karmic gust]

no, because its easier to craft like that

[crisp obsidian]

cause you click reforge minion

[karmic gust]

as you fracture and reforge minion

[spice pecan]

or is it really just that ez

right okay

[karmic gust]

with suffixese cannot bee changed

after doing suffixes ofcc

[whole bluff]

Is reforge minion a rancor craft?

[karmic gust]

well with bristle matron

as that one is 70c

or something

[crisp obsidian]

ye

iirc?

[spice pecan]

let me pob a +2 minion helm on the mageblood setup with the perfect simplex

[karmic gust]

you can pob it on your own regular setup as well its upgrade either way

[spice pecan]

surprise - it is not

[frigid wedge]

put crit multi on the rings

[crisp obsidian]

did you update minion life

in config

[spice pecan]

yeah my base 2 rings are garbage

[spice pecan]

my bad

[crisp obsidian]

mythikl

I have to say it

((bot))

[spice pecan]

sorry you are literally defined as the bot of the poe server

the kettle cannot call the pot black

[frigid wedge]

mythik did u add crit to body

[spice pecan]

body is not changeable

i bought my 30 explode + +1 supp double influenced body for 2d

[frigid wedge]

i said ADD

its a shaper mod

[spice pecan]

oh like just add it in pob despite it being an invalid item

its crusader+redeemer already

[frigid wedge]

lovely

pick up zealotry

[wheat sinew]

21

[spice pecan]

nope

wait zealotry is sick

nvm it's not that sick

that is with a perfect roll crit chance + crit multi simplex w/ crit quality

and a mageblood with a 95 diamond flask that has the perfect crit suffix

it really feels like we're pulling teeth here

[frigid wedge]

zealotry is % more spell dmg on top of spell crit

its gonna be big

[spice pecan]

pob says it's 29 percent chance to crit

i don't want 29

i want 100

[split maple]

well time to click flask

[frigid wedge]

soo

[split maple]

and power charges

[frigid wedge]

work for it

[split maple]

and other crit stuff you got and should take

[spice pecan]

i literally just did lol

[split maple]

(for last 5% ass mark is nice pob padding)

[frigid wedge]

kafka has something like 1800% increased crit chance

u need baseline

[spice pecan]

kafka is playing a zhp bosser assassin

we are worlds apart lmao

[frigid wedge]

kafka is also, dealing damage and critting

[spice pecan]

congrats, that's not hard to do when you don't have to solve for defenses

[frigid wedge]

he's also

[spice pecan]

can we talk about the same thing?

[frigid wedge]

on a skill with the same base crit as you

[spice pecan]

or are we just gonna move the goalposts

[crisp obsidian]

kafka is assassin right?

that's not the same

[frigid wedge]

with 4% base crit on helm

[spice pecan]

it 100% is not the same in any way

[frigid wedge]

ok

[spice pecan]

it's not even remotely comparable whene he's also right side

[frigid wedge]

but u have no investment in base crit

or % crit

and ur wondering why u dont crit

[spice pecan]

tell me where glad gets that on spells

i could go right side, but then i would lose all of my rmr

[frigid wedge]

meanwhile the REFERENCE FOR CC i mentioned, has over 1000% inc with almost double ur base

[wheat sinew]

the local psycho

[spice pecan]

where does glad get base crit for spells without losing rmr

this is an actual question bc im pretty sure im stupid

[frigid wedge]

glad has fuck all rmr to begin with and u can always just, path to witch area

[crisp obsidian]

this is approx what kafka has w/o assassin or cheating with mine nodes

[frigid wedge]

and make use of scion sockets

[crisp obsidian]

oh and that has chaged mines still wait

[spice pecan]

already pathing in witch and scion

[crisp obsidian]

there we go

[spice pecan]

kafka's build is completely different and does nothing that mine does

[crisp obsidian]

nah but that all is global crit chance

[spice pecan]

outside of deleting bosses

[crisp obsidian]

you can take inspiration out of it

[spice pecan]

he's an assassin bro

[crisp obsidian]

like the gloves for example

[spice pecan]

lol

[crisp obsidian]

but that's w/o ass or mine nodes

anyways you can run gloves like these

[spice pecan]

where witch or scion

shrug

[frigid wedge]

i dont give a flying fuck if its a different fucking build, you have the same base crit, and i brought it up because regardless of the build, crit chance is scaled with relatively similar AMOUNTS OF INC

[frigid wedge]

no no

where WITCH

ur in templar

[spice pecan]

no rmr in witch area outside of heralds

rmr is in shadow and templar

[frigid wedge]

so take out some auras?

or get reservation efficiency

on gear

[spice pecan]

take out haste, i cant move
take out hatred, i can't deal damage

kinda sucks either way

[frigid wedge]

or yk

support all ur auras

with enlighten

instead of

[spice pecan]

but like yeah on the mageblood setup i can replace haste w/ zealotry

[frigid wedge]

2 and a herald

[spice pecan]

instead of what

tell me

[frigid wedge]

with another enlighten

[spice pecan]

zealotry on the mb setup is already in my pob in the first place

and it's still less than a third of the damage

with a perfectly rolled double crit simplex

[frigid wedge]

BECAUSE UR CRIT WITH NO CRIT CHANCE

[spice pecan]

and real gloves and a +2 minion helm

again, tell me where to find spell crit as a duelist

[frigid wedge]

if i gave you a cast when stunned build with no valyrium or skyforth

will it do damage?

[spice pecan]

it does not exist

[spice pecan]

no

[frigid wedge]

so why would the crit build

do damage with no crit

[spice pecan]

find me crit chance on spells in the duelist area

or crit multi for spells

[frigid wedge]

put on a sandstorm visage and tell me how much ur dmg goes up

[spice pecan]

i actually tried that

it's horrible lol

[frigid wedge]

with freeze config turned off

before and after

how much does that 2.7 base crit add

how about you imbue crit strikes support

[spice pecan]

oh hold on

on the mb setup it actually adds 14m dps

which is still less than a third of what i currently have

lmao

[frigid wedge]

hatred crit watchers, imbued crit strikes support

[spice pecan]

there's literally zero universes where an mb setup matches the damage i currently have

and that is just how it is

[split maple]

are we rly basing that on what 20% crit build

[spice pecan]

i don't know how else to describe it

i'm cool with having to run haste for my ms if i get 300m dps

[frigid wedge]

so run the setup u currently have, but u cant compare crit belt to a normal setup for crit when ur normal setup pob just doesn't crit

[spice pecan]

i've played way too many ~60m dps mageblood builds

in the past

[spice pecan]

i do not consider 39% chance to crit a "crit build"

[wheat sinew]

crit belt solves those issues of having to spec into crit chance on anywhere, which saves up several equipment pieces and passives

[spice pecan]

in fact, i consider running diamond flask on that type of build a fucking waste

[frigid wedge]

so run ele overload in the pob and gear accordingly

[spice pecan]

sulfur or gold are far better choices in that case, when a perfect diamond only puts you at 39 crit

[wheat sinew]

@split maple LOL

[spice pecan]

EO is a damage loss against invert the rules

but i did use it for quite awhile bc i was using a +2 EO sceptre

but EO is just not good

[frigid wedge]

the keystone that u can run at the same time?

[spice pecan]

it doesn't overlap iirc

and you would never run EO with invert the rules

[spice pecan]

yes

that doesn't work with invert the rules

[split maple]

how is that not compatible with invert

[karmic gust]

invert the rules just inverts resists

[frigid wedge]

40% more elemental damage overlaps pretty damn well

[karmic gust]

and thats it

[spice pecan]

it makes the resistances positive

[frigid wedge]

it doesnt

[spice pecan]

before damage is dealt

[wheat sinew]

wuh

[split maple]

are you mixing it up with ele equlibrium or something

[frigid wedge]

thats exposure and res curses and elemental EQUILIBRIUM

[karmic gust]

either way it has no interaction with EO or crit

[spice pecan]

oh EE is what im thinking of

again, i am braindead

[frigid wedge]

dude i literally send the keystone with the full description and u still disagree

[spice pecan]

you expect a braindead person to read

that is your fault

[frigid wedge]

ele equilibrium is shit regardless of the build u put it in

[spice pecan]

anyway

[limpid prairie]

rathpit globe gameplay >:)!!!

[spice pecan]

i was running +2 EO sceptre for quite a while before i realized dark seer was better

[frigid wedge]

u may need recovery

[limpid prairie]

No shit

[split maple]

Why not take eo on tree or smh

And keep Dark seer

[split maple]

Like idk what you doing rn and am too lazy to find pob link

[spice pecan]

dark seer gave me 29 spectre, but i went down to 27 specre once i swapped to grace

[frigid wedge]

ele overload is 5 points

[frigid wedge]

https://pobb.in/E0u9PWX6CrDq

[split maple]

Spell crit is that way too

[spice pecan]

5 points is a lot at this point

[split maple]

Okay that pathing just feels wrong

[spice pecan]

if i'm gonna sacrifice points, then i'd really just rather be CI

[spice pecan]

and going CI on duelist sucks

[crisp obsidian]

..............

[frigid wedge]

ok bye now

[spice pecan]

no bueno, that jewel slot is 3x minion life from my timeless

[frigid wedge]

didnt say no jewel slot

said no to bits under it

cut off ur pathing left side above endurance charge and below timeless

and go up through witch

[spice pecan]

that is what i've been thinking of doing

[frigid wedge]

im leaving now

[spice pecan]

you're gay

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-off-you-go-gif-1823177397032776832

[spice pecan]

but yea problem with cutting off bot left pathing is i lose spell block

but it's not rly that bad a problem going from 95 to 92

the problem is going from 300m dps down to 80m dps, and that 80m requires literally perfect items lol

so the argument that marylenes + crit belt "is bad", is irrefutably a dogshit argument

i cannot possibly craft items + tree in pob that replicates, even closely, the damage that I have with belt+amu

[limpid prairie]

Pretty sure she is

how did you know?

[silent leaf]

Sans, is a she?

[spice pecan]

sans is who they believe they are

and i will call them as such

but i think they are adjacent to us gay folk, so i will call them gay as a slur

[limpid prairie]

depends on the day i guess

[spice pecan]

[mental nymph]

20 hours and 39 min

Jeez man

What are you farming for

[spice pecan]

oh i leave poe open

[mental nymph]

Ah kek

[spice pecan]

dont rly play anything else besides sts2 with homies at this point

i have nothing to prove in starcraft 2 anymore

[mental nymph]

I put down Poe for now

[spice pecan]

and i had to kick the dota addiction lmao

[mental nymph]

Based

I should play that

[crisp obsidian]

tbf you are still only looking at dps numbers

[spice pecan]

4200mmr hardstuck masters Terran shitter, that's me

[mental nymph]

Hardstuck huh

I am that

But at a different game

[spice pecan]

yeah i never could get GM

mostly bc i would do 7min +1 timing against protoss and that's kind of when protoss players know how to defend

i think i have a 40% winrate in TvP lol

[crisp obsidian]

sc2 😴

[dusty mesa]

I'm a hardstuck brokie in poe

[spice pecan]

I'm looking at dps numbers because i am potentially losing 66% of my damage

[crisp obsidian]

hi five!

[mental nymph]

Just farm harvest

[spice pecan]

I do not care about moving faster if i lose two thirds of my damage

[mental nymph]

I wonder how much yellow is currently

[dusty mesa]

I was jk

[dusty mesa]

insane actually

[mental nymph]

Was around 2k yesterday

[spice pecan]

I care about dealing more fucking damage lol

[mental nymph]

And i'm bored

Lets roll

But yeah

[dusty mesa]

I kinda want to make a cheap vaal LS build

hateforge is super cheap

[spice pecan]

ngl im kinda itching for some dota

[dusty mesa]

Im sorry for your loss

[mental nymph]

You can do that

A match or 2 per day

Keep it to a healthy number

[spice pecan]

that isn't how it works lol

[mental nymph]

Then switch to something else

[dusty mesa]

I joke, but I also almost played league again

[mental nymph]

Uh

[spice pecan]

dota completely consumes your day

[mental nymph]

I went back to league

Shyvana rework pulled me back

[spice pecan]

never played a moba that makes you pay for characters

[dusty mesa]

oh yea I forgot that was happening

[mental nymph]

Do I regret it ?eh

[limpid prairie]

Wasnt the rework a failure of epic dimensions

[mental nymph]

It's pretty strong now

[spice pecan]

why do you have to pay for heroes in league

[mental nymph]

S+ Even in diamond

Especially ad

[dusty mesa]

I actually used to have the perspective of "I enjoy unlocking stuff for my time" and now my perspective is "I don't have time to unlock stuff"

[mental nymph]

I'm just afraid she get the skarner treatment in the future

[spice pecan]

thankfully dota just gives you all the heroes for free

i hated lol's monetization when i played it in beta in 2009 and i hate it now

[dusty mesa]

dota is also more annoying (to me) because you have to learn more mechanics lol

like high ground/low ground

[spice pecan]

yeah, there's way more mechanics

[dusty mesa]

I dont mind denial though

that part is fun

[spice pecan]

denying, tower aggro, camp stacking, camp blocking, etc

[mental nymph]

Yea I hear it's morr complex

[dusty mesa]

it is

[mental nymph]

Oh also it's playerbase more toxic

[spice pecan]

it is extremely complicated

[mental nymph]

Or so I heard

[spice pecan]

dota players are straight up just racist

[mental nymph]

Sheesh

[dusty mesa]

well, I'd argue that Dota and LOL are the same, but valve is more lenient on its toxicity

[spice pecan]

i live in NA but play on EU because of the match quality

but god damn

[heady cliff]

12k behavior games are fine

[spice pecan]

they are so fucking racist

[crisp obsidian]

what do you mean by tower aggro

[heady cliff]

but if you for some reason drop to 7-8k hell...

enjoy your free clown show, i guess

[spice pecan]

you can walk under tower and manually click/use your skills without drawing tower aggro. if you rightclick, though, the tower will shoot you

[dusty mesa]

do I make vaal LS build or give up on poe since poe2 new league

[crisp obsidian]

give up on poe completely

go work

make money

buy GGG

[mental nymph]

Jeez lol

[crisp obsidian]

make PoE good again

[spice pecan]

even in 12k ppl are turbo racist idk

[mental nymph]

Is there even deeper

[spice pecan]

but i guess thats bc i only play on EU/SEA

[crisp obsidian]

so you can attack enemies under their own turret?

that's kinda weird

[spice pecan]

NA games are unplayable

[spice pecan]

if you have an attacking skill then yeah. if your only method of attacking is right click, then no

[silent leaf]

i mean they kinda did

return of ground loot

[karmic gust]

buff SA

[silent leaf]

tf is SA? besides that one crime

[crisp obsidian]

scourge arrow

[karmic gust]

scourge arrow

[crisp obsidian]

the only relevant skill in PoE1

[silent leaf]

ah

[spice pecan]

eg. if you have something like frost arrow, where it just imbues your next attack but also makes you attack, you can kinda just spam that under tower against your target

[karmic gust]

my poe3 is almost done i will add SA there ez

[silent leaf]

i never heard of this skill lmfao

[crisp obsidian]

I saw you posting a video about your game

[crisp obsidian]

ahhh

still weird

[dusty mesa]

throw in TS too

[crisp obsidian]

to be able to damage enemies under their turret w/o getting aggro

idk I am lol player

so maybe that's why

[spice pecan]

it is very weird

[crisp obsidian]

well not anymore a lol player

[karmic gust]

im doing item affixes today xd

[crisp obsidian]

fuck mobas

[spice pecan]

even dota players find it weird

[dusty mesa]

your game is turn based anyway right? or did you change that

[karmic gust]

i changed it to roguelike turn based

so its a bit more fluid

[wheat sinew]

gib name/link

[karmic gust]

e.g world progresses when you do stuff

[spice pecan]

sry you aint taking my time away from slay the spire 2

[silent leaf]

i fucking hate riot for just shitting on toplaners

fucking

[spice pecan]

i love you, but

[karmic gust]

i still need to play slay the spire 2, plyed a lot of 1

[silent leaf]

the only counterplay to ranged toplaners is for THEM TO FUCKING MAKE A MISTAKE

YOU CANT DO SHIT

[karmic gust]

jjust did not had time yet

[spice pecan]

ive only been playing it as multiplayer with some irl friends

[karmic gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhbj_FlMCMU i only have shitty vid, but flicker strike at 45s xd

[silent leaf]

ban vayne? varus, ban both? cassiopeia

[dusty mesa]

me and my friends have been playing a good bit of multiplayer on it

its tons of fun

[spice pecan]

and it's extremely fun

[wheat sinew]

man

[silent leaf]

[wheat sinew]

the soundtrack reminds me of early 2000s

[spice pecan]

ban firion, techies, ogre, and sniper

[silent leaf]

but i gotta tell ya

some multiplayer players in the sts server

are so sweaty holy fuck

[karmic gust]

i found the music from this dude on itch he has like bunch of rock/metal game music for free and its like rly good

soi just grabbed a bunch xd

[wheat sinew]

looks cute tho, gl on the progress

[silent leaf]

i got outright blocked and kicked out of VC list

cause i greeded an upgrade xd

[spice pecan]

sadge

[karmic gust]

https://davidkbd.itch.io/ this dude, rly nice music

[silent leaf]

i mean for dota

its ment to be omega unbalanced anyway

with BKB existing

[karmic gust]

thanks, i doubt i will finish it but its pretty fun to make

[silent leaf]

and every item counters a certain hero

at least they are embracing it

[spice pecan]

BKB is literally the one item that holds that entire game together

[wheat sinew]

hey, the experience during it is the good shi

:D

[silent leaf]

playing lion

is miserable lmfao

same with skywrath

[dusty mesa]

you most definitely have me beat

[spice pecan]

playing AGAINST lion in lane is literally one of the most miserable things in gaming

[karmic gust]

i got into programming originally by trying to make 2d rpgs in uh, vb6 lmao

[silent leaf]

skywrath feels like the most free lane in the game until enemy buys either BKB

[dusty mesa]

I have 64 hours in sts2

[silent leaf]

or force-staff

[wheat sinew]

hell yeah mate

[spice pecan]

idk what you guys have in league of lol

but you don't have lion

[karmic gust]

i did learned about ECS while working on this and im super impressed by ECS stuff now its kinda nuts

[spice pecan]

and lion is misery incarnate

[silent leaf]

i peaked diamond in league and i think 4k mmr in dota

[karmic gust]

so at least i learned that so 10/10

[dusty mesa]

I need to get my numbers up

[spice pecan]

league lanes are nowhere near as fucking awful as dota lanes i swear

[wheat sinew]

💀 I asked ggg about my hours

[silent leaf]

ME WHEN I PLAY EARTH SPIRIT AND MY OFFLANER ASKS WHERE I AM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1305263997183987784/1453901976201986048/videoplayback_17.mp4?ex=6a0c527b&is=6a0b00fb&hm=aadb4194d7c535d2ff1c83c27f02fb72336787890d2a5b4e8ca7c2ef20f35a76&

(im at safelane or midlane camping them)

[wheat sinew]

LET's say an earth cycle

[spice pecan]

fellow earth spirit enjoyer

[wild bridge]

how can make my rf kill harvest bosses quick

[dusty mesa]

you're the only one I still see online this league

[silent leaf]

i pretend to stick with my offlane

until lvl 2

then i send him a middle finger via message and go gank safelane

[spice pecan]

no dude

you play till 30s before rune

[wheat sinew]

hahahah bro I've been farming farming for sublime jail

[dusty mesa]

can we do gsf in poe2 yet?

[spice pecan]

then you help gank mid for rune and after that you utterly fuck off

[silent leaf]

ye you play safelane and gank -> go to mid just in time for runes

and go back to safelane

[wheat sinew]

430 uber kills, 4 sublimes, all worthless xd

[silent leaf]

and terrorize them

[spice pecan]

offlane, not safe

but yeah

[wheat sinew]

no idea but ngl gonna just do trade 😅

[silent leaf]

i come back to offlane just to give salve and go back to fucking off to mid or safe

saving urn for damage

[spice pecan]

you never go safelane as 4 unless they're suffering

[dusty mesa]

you'd be pissed to know that I had 2 sublimes drop within 20 kills on trade this league lol. And two swords within 30 kills

[wheat sinew]

I wanna try the new toys and easiest way is to get fast currency xd

[silent leaf]

idk feels like most Offlaners are dogshit

[wheat sinew]

oh dw that's when I got my sublimes

[silent leaf]

unless they are Axe / Tide / Timber

i wont even try to help

[wheat sinew]

I was dry 200 kills

[dusty mesa]

valid

[silent leaf]

ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE FUCKING LC

[crisp obsidian]

tbf idk if I can ever play PoE1 again

[dusty mesa]

oh no

[crisp obsidian]

I wasted all my future luck this league

[silent leaf]

i fucking hate LC players holy fuck they are the most useless players even if you play proper support

[dusty mesa]

on what

[silent leaf]

idk if its just elo or what

[spice pecan]

problem is is that the most fun 4s to play are melee and you rly dont want to play melee 4 when your offlaner is melee

[crisp obsidian]

4/6 sublimes were PoF

[wheat sinew]

on the bright side... we have like what 50ish watchers

[spice pecan]

so you have to play shit like viper

[crisp obsidian]

that I bought

[dusty mesa]

gg

[wheat sinew]

brooooo

send one over to the gsf

[silent leaf]

i fucking loved venomancer

until they gut him

removed his ulti to, whatever the fuck his ulti is now

[wheat sinew]

but yeah @dusty mesa made 8 builds this league

[spice pecan]

veno is an A tier pos5 now

[silent leaf]

back then you can just run force staff -> ulti

[wheat sinew]

probably most enjoyable league I've had

[crisp obsidian]

5 ducats

[silent leaf]

and become a kamikaze

[wheat sinew]

bet lemme login to warframe

[spice pecan]

he's super good as a pos5, but as 4 he rly doesn't do anything

[crisp obsidian]

ewww not warframe

[dusty mesa]

every league I always say "man I wish I would've played gsf or something" but I love grinding on league starts to just buy my builds

[silent leaf]

PoV you play stocks in warframe

[wheat sinew]

and this is basically the str stacker.. once I hit... maybe in standard or I migrate and just buy the damn sublime pof

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/pl78865/character/sokratis12GR-6608/GSFSoFoStacking?i=1

[spice pecan]

believe it or not, he still does literally this

[silent leaf]

ye but now its delayed

[dusty mesa]

ironically just downloaded that again like last week

[silent leaf]

and some enemies can just fuck off

[wheat sinew]

[spice pecan]

sometimes you get the neutral that lets you backspring

[silent leaf]

[wheat sinew]

brother wut

how the fuck do you havbe so many millions of credits

[silent leaf]

back then, in like 2021 or smth

those were 400 plats each

[wheat sinew]

ah you straight up just voided

[silent leaf]

nah my account still active

i just dont play

[silent leaf]

i invented afk index unironically

[spice pecan]

its mostly just carries, and you kinda want them to fuck off anyway, you want the plague debuff on their supps + offlaner

[dark kite]

the umbra method?

[wheat sinew]

I managed to convince a guy to buy a riven I had for the torid

he gave me 2k plats

[spice pecan]

you want to force the carry into the fight and then have him immediately fuck off

[silent leaf]

https://youtu.be/fQNpgjk52Xo

nah

equinox

[dark kite]

interesting

[silent leaf]

i made a whole ass guide once

[dusty mesa]

I love how I went from a Saryn player, to Nezha, to Nova

[silent leaf]

idk if i still have it

[dusty mesa]

Nova is so fun

[wheat sinew]

broooooo I need that

[dense rock]

meanwhile my main tactic of gaining plat is looking at my stash and just selling some of the stuff from when i started. Typically selling 1 or 2 items results in me not having to think about plat for the next 6 months or so of playing 😄

[wheat sinew]

I need like 105m credits

[dark kite]

lmao fellow nezha to nova pipeliner

[wheat sinew]

fair enuf

[dusty mesa]

I like explosions

[wheat sinew]

I basically have almost all primes until 2025

sadge I can never own the founder warframe excalibur

[dense rock]

Feels weird being from the times when LOKI was one of the starters

[dusty mesa]

I have a good bit, but definitely nowhere near most

[wheat sinew]

shhh

[dark kite]

lr 6 here :)

[wheat sinew]

don't give in to the ptsd

[wheat sinew]

hell yeah mate

[dusty mesa]

back when Frost was meta defense frame

now you have Khora