1┃general

[short prairie]

And shatter prevent on death effects

[undone canyon]

people that convert 100% of elemental damage to fire via PoF Sublime + Watchers + Timeless jewel. Can you do the same thing with Purity of Ice/Lightning? Is there a reason everyone does purity of fire conversion?

[frigid wedge]

its 3 jewels and no other thing to do and u already likely use required timeless

[pulsar ice]

purity of fire cuz you can get full 100% to it, with cold and lightning you have to go 50% to other elements or chaos

[frigid wedge]

you don't for cold

[grizzled lily]

isnt this better for the str stack slayer guy?

[frigid wedge]

its just awkward

[grizzled lily]

as he wont ever find that pair of gloves ever

legit just

frac life

fire essence until t1 strength

and then

just eldritch implicit is

ez

its like

the one after greater

[frigid wedge]

str ess rolls higher than t1

[grizzled lily]

to get the 4% more dmg

[frigid wedge]

iirc

[grizzled lily]

idk how to pob that sorry

brain hurts

[grim pivot]

Thats fine. Ill work with this. I was ready to craft the other one if I had to

[thick vine]

which str stack build

[frigid wedge]

its just 58 instead of 55

[frigid wedge]

cyc slayer

[grizzled lily]

found it also

its a veiled mod

[frigid wedge]

we determined that 10 minutes ago

[grizzled lily]

i was palying

tft sorry

[frigid wedge]

xD

[spice pecan]

the frozen throne? the expansion for warcraft 3???

[undone canyon]

ah I didn't realize there wasn't a Tempered by War version on timeless jewels for cold/lightning.

[frigid wedge]

team fight tactics i assume

[spice pecan]

tempered by war is always 50% cold and lightning taken as fire

[spice pecan]

oh

[grizzled lily]

TEAM FIGHT OF THE TACTICS

masterclass

[frigid wedge]

closest thing is a keystone not compatible with ci

[livid quarry]

ima try selling my sword for 200d

can get sublime fire

if it sells

[frigid wedge]

what sword

zenith one?

[frigid wedge]

oh

[grizzled lily]

am i too slow

[astral brook]

how is that only 200d

[grizzled lily]

am i too late to the party bro

[livid quarry]

i have 400d

[grizzled lily]

i have 11 divines

[astral brook]

600 is more reaonable

[grim pivot]

Wasnt sure what to add in so I threw those 2 in till I figure out what flls in that spot

[frigid wedge]

u tell me u wouldn't clown on ur bud if he had a 3 flask uncorrupt mageblood

[astral brook]

more than the 4 mirr price here atleast

[frigid wedge]

quicksilver

its cyclone

[grim pivot]

Im not playing cyclone though

[grizzled lily]

i would clown on my day 1s if they would pull out their 4 flask mb with 2 uniques yes

[grizzled lily]

budy

[cobalt blade]

its reasonable for bossing but youd always QS there for mapping

[grizzled lily]

you have a

[cobalt blade]

in bosses you can end up with too much MS if your not using to bossing at 300+

[grizzled lily]

ring with

inc str

inc crit multi

crit multi btw

[astral brook]

no such thing as too much ms

[grizzled lily]

and ur running that bottled faith

instead of capping your crit chance

to some extent

[frigid wedge]

wtf is it then, you sent a cyclone earlier

[astral brook]

unless its over 1000

[cobalt blade]

thats also not too much MS

[grim pivot]

Ice crash of cadence. The cyclone was where I took the gloves from

[grizzled lily]

holy +5 mil dmg

[cobalt blade]

heist runners can reach 1k+

[astral brook]

yeah thats so unnecesary

[cobalt blade]

naaah

[astral brook]

i wouldnt even see my char

[frigid wedge]

send it

[grizzled lily]

https://pobb.in/RqOQE477s00F @grim pivot

[cobalt blade]

why would you need to see your char you have a minimap

you just navigate off that :D

[short prairie]

Wdf is this mist

[astral brook]

bumping into walls and stuff

[grizzled lily]

do u get to apply 2 curses with that beast?

[cobalt blade]

no

[grizzled lily]

im joking

[grim pivot]

https://pobb.in/XzfrPltQFokQ
This was the earlier version that I had

[spice pecan]

it has whispers of doom, so it's one extra curse

[grizzled lily]

yea but yk it misted 3 times

[astral brook]

its beautifull

[grizzled lily]

idk man my jokes aint it

[frigid wedge]

oh ur the guy i told to drop crit earlier

[short prairie]

[spice pecan]

ive barely been awake for an hour aint nothing landing on me

[grizzled lily]

bro you

[frigid wedge]

who still hasn't clicked precise technique

[grizzled lily]

have 4 flask mb

with 3 flasks

tinctures dont count

[short prairie]

Can’t get enough accuracy

[frigid wedge]

thats kinda sad

[elder ruin]

Is heralf of ash and herald of ice interchangeable? They seem to do the same thing

[astral brook]

no

[spice pecan]

herald of ash is better if you are scaling phys

[astral brook]

not same thing at all

[cobalt blade]

hoa is prettier

[elder ruin]

Oooh, and ice is better for builds with alot of elemetnal damage?

[grizzled lily]

@grim pivot

??????????

[frigid wedge]

ash is better at spreading explosions

[grizzled lily]

x2 btw

[grim pivot]

Rip. Didnt even see I did it twice

[grizzled lily]

put fortress

[cobalt blade]

this can mean its on an unspecced mastery btw

from when your doing pob testing

[astral brook]

hoa is overkill hoi is just mid

[cobalt blade]

pobbin just shows every tattoo

[frigid wedge]

attribute stacker

[short prairie]

The #1 flicker ninjawarrior is using 12link archaic sword but has bleed mastery clicked

[grizzled lily]

oh

[livid quarry]

welp gambling my only way of getting a sublime now aint going to grind this late in leag

[frigid wedge]

[grizzled lily]

fuck

yea

LOL

AHAHAH

i dont play stackers bro

i hate them

im a caspiro andy

[grim pivot]

Ill hop off pob. Been staring at it too long

[spice pecan]

100% of damage converted to random element, bro we BLEEDING for sure

[short prairie]

[frigid wedge]

trust he weapon swaps to get off the bleed

[livid quarry]

i mean all those builds are nonfunctional

[short prairie]

You know, in ssf one guy copied my reliquarian tree and then had the bleed wheel with archaic too

[spice pecan]

wait is his timeless in the bot right cluster slot

[frigid wedge]

find the ambush link

[dense rock]

almost like the entire build is just padding numbers for the sake of pumping numbers?

[short prairie]

Ambush is no longer active by default on ninja

That’s some justice

[frigid wedge]

since when

[spice pecan]

poeninja warriors would never do that

[onyx adder]

Static strike juggs screaming and shitting themselves

[astral brook]

hm do 12 links cost to craft was going to make one and ms

[short prairie]

Idk all the most recent pobs I clicked with ninja had ambush disabled

[cobalt blade]

1 woke orb and a dream

[frigid wedge]

oh hes really going for the fake dps huh

[spice pecan]

vengeful cry bruh

[astral brook]

just say its 2 mirr+🥀

[cobalt blade]

its not that bad

[short prairie]

Guy forgor about vaal smite

[cobalt blade]

if you get reasonably lucky i think you can do it for .5-.7m

[spice pecan]

why stop at vaal smite

[frigid wedge]

if he had a reliable proc, using it with berserk would b nice

[spice pecan]

go dance with death and a helm at the same time

[cobalt blade]

atleast on pc trade that could be 10 mirrors on ps for all i know

[spice pecan]

that still works on poeninja

[frigid wedge]

make sure the helm is howlcrack

[short prairie]

Nah

[spice pecan]

oh god yeah howlcrack LMAO

[cobalt blade]

the flicker player is poor 🥀

single shrine belt smh my head

[short prairie]

Howlcrack only 2.1 b

[frigid wedge]

howlcrack

[short prairie]

[spice pecan]

ethical AND real

[short prairie]

Wait I should do that in ssf

[normal hedge]

easier to do bladeblast

[cobalt blade]

oh lmao i see howlcrack gen cry

thats funny

[short prairie]

Let me do that in ssf

[frigid wedge]

howlcrack dps

all are howl

[spice pecan]

9.1m straight to 2.1b

that's very natural gear progression

nothing to see here, officer

[dense rock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-wMsD35WIjjUFq

[astral brook]

no amount of ms is bringing me back 5000 divs

[astral brook]

wtf is a howlcrack and why do i suddenly want to try it

[pulsar ice]

i wish there was a hive scarab that was like 100% quant but Ailith hp is 1

[frigid wedge]

fake

howlcrack+ generals cry+ autoexert has a tendency to break pob

even tho it doesn't function

[astral brook]

damn

[cobalt blade]

lol

[dense rock]

"item quantity dropped by monsters is increased by ailiths missing health %"

[astral brook]

its hard enough

[dark kite]

i think i need to tone down my breach maps

ive been trying to hit 98 all day and keep ping-ponging from 40 to 80%

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[cold sable]

is sabo 50% cdr multiplicatve or additive to other cdr

[dark kite]

does it say increased or more

[cold sable]

increased

[dark kite]

then its additive

[cold sable]

hmm

whys sabo so common for wardloop then

if cowb support already gives infinity cdr

[dark kite]

triggerbots?

[cold sable]

i guess more cdr isnt bad

uhh

do those do anything

[spice pecan]

sabo hits 52% cdr breakpoint for free, triggerbots effectively doubles your damage straight up

[short prairie]

wdf

wheres my dps and stats

[normal hedge]

wheres dps

[spice pecan]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yugioh-anime-2--k01KRPXFWN8C5BZQDAAAEPF981Y

[cold sable]

what breakpoint? also what do the bots do for wardloop

[spice pecan]

you're triggering spells, read triggerbots

and 52% is the third cdr breakpoint for triggers

[pulsar ice]

2 positive second attempt (cast speed-life)

[wheat sinew]

glgl

[normal hedge]

is it double dmg tho

[cold sable]

oh

[normal hedge]

they have less dmg or something no

[dark kite]

were you thinking they were skitterbots?

[spice pecan]

it's twice the number of spells, so it could be less, could be more

[pulsar ice]

kina dogshit multi but we won

[cold sable]

what this mean

[normal hedge]

yeah they have 30% less dmg

[pulsar ice]

4 positive btw, damn

[spice pecan]

alright so it's actually 40% more damage on average then

[tranquil sedge]

nice

[pulsar ice]

maybe it was even 5, we'd never know

[spice pecan]

but still, it's a shitton of damage

[cold sable]

im playing pf wardloop, is there also a cdr breakpoint i need

[spice pecan]

at least 9%

[cold sable]

w/ hexblast

[spice pecan]

oh for hexblast i have no clue unless you're using the one that doesnt have charges

[frigid wedge]

refresh

[cold sable]

why 9% exactly? wouldnt it be related to hiw much ward i have

[spice pecan]

it has to do with server tick rate

[cold sable]

oh

[astral brook]

the hells a tick rate

[normal hedge]

!tickratemeaning

[cold sable]

cowb doesnt have a secret cdr cap that id need more on top of roght

[spice pecan]

how fast the server can process changes in data, and the cdr breakpoints are where the speed of your triggers is divisible cleanly by the server tick rate

[dark kite]

a server tick is basically the fundamental unit of time in the game

[spice pecan]

that's the general gist of it

[spice pecan]

i mean you can go to 90%, i don't even know what the next breakpoint after that is

[astral brook]

yeah science and stuff!

[languid elm]

Its been 12 years already boys dang.

[spice pecan]

9/27/52/90 are the general breakpoints that i remember for old wardloop, shouldn't be any different

[cold sable]

how can i do the math to find out

what is the servers tick rate

[astral brook]

imagine having to do allat for a build

[spice pecan]

0.033s?

per tick iirc?

[cold sable]

irs ok i play warframe

no pob for us

all manual

[astral brook]

theres no way you dont use pob

[cold sable]

no pob equivalent in wf i mean

[astral brook]

oh

im never touching that game

[cold sable]

gg

im a google sheets maxxer

[spice pecan]

i spent way too much of my life routing speedruns and typing 100 page google docs for routes/thousands of lines in sheets

im cool with just having pob now

[astral brook]

how do you guys even have fun wtf

that looks miserable

[spice pecan]

it was some of the most fun I had

booting up obs and setting my title to "short routing stream" only to sit there routing for 16 hours straight was a great time lmao

[dark kite]

may i ask what games you routed for?

[cold sable]

:3

[astral brook]

odd definition of a great time

[spice pecan]

FF9, 12, 13 mostly

[dark kite]

oh fuck yes ff9 mention

[astral brook]

like the jewel?

[spice pecan]

worked a little bit on the original wind waker 100% glitchless route, and a couple other small things here and there

[spice pecan]

that was the game i ran the most

[rancid sluice]

finaly fantasy speedruns

[astral brook]

oh final fantasy

no idea what its about

[dark kite]

crystals, mostly

[spice pecan]

chapter 1: rescue lost cat
final chapter: kill literal god

that's generally how final fantasy games go

[rancid sluice]

i spent like two years completely locked into xiv heh

[dark kite]

hey! to be fair, in ff9 it's "kill death"

[astral brook]

downloading rn

[spice pecan]

and in 13 it's "kill machine god"

[tranquil sedge]

this is what the internet was made for

[astral brook]

the internet uses his google docs

probably

[spice pecan]

i still get emails once a month or so with people accidentally suggesting edits to some of my docs

lol

the suggestions feature on google docs is not particularly elegant

[short prairie]

ok so when i do it howlcrack gen cry doent work

[astral brook]

google docs isnt elegant

all of it

[short prairie]

poe ninja warriors are better

[storm fern]

any idea which is agood build for hiest

[wheat sinew]

here:

[spice pecan]

toxic rain pathfinder w/ queen of the forest, bannerman champion, or any build that doesn't immediately die

[dark kite]

speedmaxxing pf

[astral brook]

i dont think i can handle poe for a few days

[wheat sinew]

Pick your poison
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage?items=Rearguard%2CWidowhail&class=Pathfinder
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage?items=Ichimonji%2CPerepiteia&class=Pathfinder&min-movementspeed=300&columns=character%2Clevel%2Clife%2Cenergyshield%2Cehp%2Cmovementspeed%2Cdps%2Ckeystoneskill

[astral brook]

my brain is fried ive been studying for 14 hours today

[pulsar ice]

don't you have a comfort strategy that is like 5 times less currency but at least it's chill?

[astral brook]

huh

[dark kite]

ive never really understood the term "x times less"

[astral brook]

what currency im studying law

[pulsar ice]

I meant to comment on this

[heady cliff]

dont even need damage skill

if you have 150%+ combined job speed in grand heists

[pulsar ice]

if X is 10 and Y is 5 times less than X, Y = 2

[astral brook]

no i dont lol

[storm fern]

thx !

[dark kite]

see i would just say "one fifth"

[astral brook]

+its 3am id rather sleep been studying since 11am

[tranquil sedge]

that is the accurate way to put it, yes

but also colloquially people just assume X times less is just multiplying by 1/X

[dark kite]

i guess i get it

[astral brook]

all to be a public attorney or some shit

[dark kite]

just feels weird to me

[wheat sinew]

npnp, tldr about heist builds: be fast, be tanky (you don't want to accidentally die to random traps and lose your reward ;))

[dark kite]

oh shit am i rich

[astral brook]

its the same thing

[wheat sinew]

you can do dmg as well but that's extra currency and effort

[wheat sinew]

holyy

which one

[dark kite]

soul eater

[livid quarry]

😔

[dark kite]

still a good 40 div, not bad

[astral brook]

no good build cant survive hiest

[wheat sinew]

some traps hurt mate

but yeah you could use an actual build that's not specialized for heisting or just use TR and kill everything with lil dps while being fast

[astral brook]

idk i stood in all of them only that one with blue tiles on ground hurt a bit

[wheat sinew]

with enough speed you reach a point where the only downside is how fast your rogues are and they cap out at certain points

[dark kite]

anyway i had a question

[wheat sinew]

most dmg dealing traps: bombs (most cuz if you run through them they do accumulative dmg), lasers (high single hit)

[astral brook]

i didnt take any damage from both

[wheat sinew]

both can be blocked as well

so if you invest on just block

[astral brook]

oh makes sense then

[cobalt blade]

i use times less because you can more easily type 2-4x less than 1/2 to 1/4th

just faster to do

(and they apply that for any weirder fractionals)

[astral brook]

technically 1/2 is faster than 2x less

3 clicks rather than 6

[dark kite]

i decided to try running breach/beyond in a scoured t16 mirage map vs a t16.5 rolled for currency; same scarabs (monstrous lineage x2, instability x2), bloodlines on the 16.5, adversaries on the mirage map. i noticed significantly less total xp from the mirage map, despite having more breaches; is the ~30% pack size from map mods that much of a difference, or is something else contributing?

[astral brook]

ofc it is

30 packsize is huge

[cobalt blade]

i would prob type half for that because it takes longer for my brain to pinpoint / compared to letters

but thats more of me just typing normal things too fast and actually having to think for symbols

[astral brook]

thats more of a your brain issue

[cobalt blade]

ye

[cobalt blade]

the 30% pack size (presumably scaled by some amount of map mod effect) massively increases the amount of beyond portals spawned

jus due to how they work with like needing x amount of portals to spawn mobs or w/e

w/o said pack size theres a good chance you kill stuff spawns a portal no other portal spawns nearby = no mobs

[dark kite]

30% is with the map mod effect

[cobalt blade]

(and also if you levelled up in between it could also destroy the amount of xp you got)

oh it was just a transmuted map?

[dark kite]

i didnt check exactly, it was probably somewhere between 30-40% pack size

[cobalt blade]

like on the side bar in the map

or on the map itself

like in your inventory

sorry i just need ot be sure am understanding wut u mean properly lol

[dark kite]

30-40% after modifier effect

i.e. in the map

[cobalt blade]

ah okay

there is iirc also some memory mobs in maps but it really is just the pack size being a massive difference

[dark kite]

i assumed monstrous lineage x2 (80% magic pack size) would have been doing the heavy lifting there but i suppose not

[cobalt blade]

oh actually i just noticed you said not using bloodlines on the non mirage

[dark kite]

do monster modifiers themselves affect xp?

[cobalt blade]

i think they do but its also just almost doubling your effective magic pack size increase ontop of the extra map mod stuff

[dark kite]

oh wait bloodlines is more magic mobs right

[pulsar ice]

||skibidy dop dop dop yes|| yes

[dark kite]

yeah ok

between bloodlines and base pack size i think that explains it

im not spending 450c per map just for a bit more xp though

[karmic gust]

well there are also better scarabs than adversaries to use instead of bloodlines :d

[dark kite]

yeah im sure

it was just the first one that came to mind

what would you use instead? beyond of invasion?

[karmic gust]

for max xp?

[dark kite]

yea

[karmic gust]

resonant cascade probably

[cobalt blade]

dont think that gives xp

[karmic gust]

no but its more xp/hr

:d

[cobalt blade]

true opens faster

[pulsar ice]

you can also get maps with 2 pack size t16.5 preffixes or suffixes and run the dextral/sinistral scarabs

[livid quarry]

isn that on poedb

[dark kite]

i wanna max xp per map, not per hour

[pulsar ice]

well even with that 3 prefixes and suffixes can be boosting that pack size like crazt

[karmic gust]

thats kinda weird thing to want, but then probably risk?

i dont rly like invasion for breach you dont getthat many rares there

[cobalt blade]

i would not run breach for that honestly

[dark kite]

risk increases odds of dying, reduces effective xp/map

[cobalt blade]

i think shrines beyond ends up being better?

since its much faster you pick up accel gloom constantly and nuke the map in 2 minutes

[karmic gust]

if max xp per map is the only metric then probably abyss wins :d

[cobalt blade]

20 minute long abyss map

[karmic gust]

opening 3 breaches at once and slotting in 1 evo scarab sounds pretty fun for xp too

[pulsar ice]

yay, after 3 days of livesearching a decent one popped up

and it wasn't even 100 div

[wheat sinew]

is it just phasing

lol

[dark kite]

alright, did a rare mirage map and got 22%

another few of those and im gucci

[pulsar ice]

also the only way for me to get arcane surge and not a useless third stat

[wheat sinew]

oh fair enuf

[pulsar ice]

well, not the only way, can also sacrifice 4.6 shrines

[cobalt blade]

technically can also get it from a militaint faith

funny mod

tho requires scion sockets and saccing a node

(to do it reasonably)

[pulsar ice]

I'd rather delete my poe account than get that 150 devotion lol

[cobalt blade]

[wheat sinew]

update is now live

the quick trade for bps that is

[pulsar ice]

I bet it's gonna feel fantastic now, doubling my net ES regen with this

[charred sigil]

A question regarding the "Aspect of the Cat" skill.
Wiki says it's affected by the "Efficacy Support" gem when socketed into that item, but what about the "Swift Affliction Support" gem?
Don't ask why, but I rather want to rotate faster through the "Cat's Stealth" and "Cat's Agility" buffs sequence.
"Swift Affliction Support" because I also want to run "Plague Bearer" in the same item.

[karmic gust]

swift affliction also works

[dark kite]

oh no wonder i felt squishy my fucking ag died

[loud sundial]

so whats the best cyclone related build this league?

havent played one in a while and wanting to but unsure of which to follow

(cyclone or coc with cylone, i just wanna spin)

[dark kite]

probably some accel shrine nonsense

[charred sigil]

Cyclone as main skill
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage?skills=Cyclone

Cyclone of Tumult as main skill
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage?skills=Cyclone+of+Tumult

[loud sundial]

[charred sigil]

I had fun this league and did a Cyclone Elementalist.
https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/Jahunter88-1203/mirage/character/CycloneQTpie

[modest sparrow]

Wouldn’t you wanna blacklist cast on crit

Cause a lot of people are using it for that purpose, base cyclone at least

[dark kite]

gary said coc was fine

[modest sparrow]

Oh mb

[modest sparrow]

Always too lazy to read full context

[heady cliff]

not too different with the exception of occu

[rancid sluice]

thats all fross

[charred sigil]

Cyclone Occultist is basically THE CoC Cyclone build atm

[rancid sluice]

eh theres lots of ppl playing shockwave on slayer too

[charred sigil]

If you look at my build above, it also has Void Shockwave ... if that counts for you ^^

[dark kite]

shockwave is not coc

[charred sigil]

^

[heady cliff]

then you have mjolner hierophants

[rancid sluice]

he just wanted cyclone one way or another

[heady cliff]

that use cyclone for those 0.25s procs

[dark kite]

yeah i know, but siith specified that occultist was "the CoC cyclone build" is what i meant

[charred sigil]

Going by percentage of characters using that skill ... it is.

Anyway. I'm happy with my Fulcrum Cyclone Elementalist and exploding everything beyond my screen borders

[pulsar ice]

damn, that's pretty insane for 1 hive map, didn't even get 100% more currency in mirage or anything

[rancid sluice]

mb didnt see the coc part curse of multiple screens trying not to die and chime in on chat

[wheat sinew]

+1 BABY

[onyx adder]

The nice thing about the unique ladder is it makes u feel nice when u drop these t0 turds

Look guys +1 unique

[dark kite]

i got one of those claws from faustus earlier this league lol

[onyx adder]

+0 builds to use it in

Pog

[dark kite]

was gambing claws for bases

[onyx adder]

Stl probably ok in trade on like day 3 tho

[wheat sinew]

it's actually being used nglxd

[onyx adder]

932 people quit in week 1 eh

[wheat sinew]

they deal like 90m dps on dual strike

[onyx adder]

I guess on ambi its marginally less bad

[wheat sinew]

wdym bro

it's so much flat

[onyx adder]

Its not good damage

Slow ass weapon

[wheat sinew]

how so

1.72 asp

[onyx adder]

Yea thats slow as shit for a claw

[wheat sinew]

wut

sure you get .20 more asp on a rare claw

[onyx adder]

Good claw with the same enchant is over 2 aps

[wheat sinew]

but that's still so much less dmg overall

xd

but hey if you value the more asp good for you

but yeah sorry for the random defending of the claw

basically happy to finish the unique collection for claws

[onyx adder]

Top end essentia is what like 700 edps?

[wheat sinew]

just ring of kalandra remaining alongside rakiata

[karmic gust]

90m dps with diamond shrine marylenes garbo setup isnt very impressive ngl

basically abyssus v2 setup except instead of losing phys max hit you lose everything else

[wheat sinew]

820 on a max roll volatile

[onyx adder]

Well yea theyre just giving up 25% dps for overleech

[finite quail]

huh

[wheat sinew]

but yeah tried to make diamond shrine work with swt I need battlemage f/f on marohi surely that will work better

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/pl78865/character/sokratis12GR-6608/GSFSoFoSWT?i=30

[karmic gust]

tldr diamond shrine marylenes is pretty bad

[finite quail]

how so

thats 100% crit and like, 400% base crit multi

with those two items

is this some kinda joke thats flying over my head

[gritty garnet]

don't you do winds of fate battlemage when you have diamond

[wheat sinew]

trying to get winds of fate is why that build exists

[finite quail]

gah dayum

cool ssf jewel

[onyx adder]

I like diamond shrine marylene on builds that would otherwise do shitty things like sandstorm visage

Its not good here i suspect

[karmic gust]

well all those builds are dead

and rest of them have overloaded intensity

[wheat sinew]

👀

[karmic gust]

i cant think of a single build thats not some hot or retal meme that would want it

[thick goblet]

slam it

[finite quail]

no exalts

later

[wheat sinew]

assuming overloaded intesnsitity + apex mode ?

[karmic gust]

most popular setups for it, and out of all of these it makes sense only for flicker

[wheat sinew]

ut these are boring q.qa

[karmic gust]

but then dont think flicker rly struggles with crit and you lose ammy slot

[karmic gust]

i think nadir mode but yea

[karmic gust]

you can do retal meme if you rly want to do something with diamond and go one shot bunch of stuff :d

[wheat sinew]

that's the life stacking setup right

[karmic gust]

think so

[spice pecan]

i use diamond marylenes on bv glad because it is hundreds of millions of damage for zero effort

we are not the same

[karmic gust]

that build already gets hunders of millions of damage with zero effort while not losing all movespeed

bv is like the worst use for diamond shrine

out of the popular setups for it

[spice pecan]

movespeed is pretty fine with haste

[karmic gust]

as you have no attack speed and no cast speed

to make up for the ms with moveskills

[spice pecan]

haste and call it a day is my solution

[pulsar ice]

that is pain, why did bro had to upstake me like that

[spice pecan]

is that a prophecy in the bottom right

wtf

[finite quail]

a prophecy?

thats a redeemers exalt

[onyx adder]

Painge

[finite quail]

prophecies looked nothing like that

[spice pecan]

i haven't seen one in years so excuse me

[finite quail]

and you havent seen a redeemers exalt either???

[spice pecan]

actually, I don't think I've seen a redeemer exalt more recently than a prophecy

[finite quail]

smh my head, these tourists...

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cat-tiktok-tiktok-comb-gif-16050619043683504879

[spice pecan]

I actually think i ran a prophecy more recently than the last time i redeemer slammed something

[spice pecan]

spill issue

[finite quail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/551859391968837642/884981149267542026/image0.gif

[pulsar ice]

two 2-positive gambas gotta be a good multi

[wheat sinew]

glgl

[pulsar ice]

damn I won both of them

[finite quail]

wtf I just picked this up from a mirage deli mirror in act 8???

too bad its 11p

and that its sword/axe instead of phys damage

[short prairie]

i bugged ninja gg

[vocal tinsel]

[wheat sinew]

jesus

[pulsar ice]

I mean the multi's are kinda bad still, the better one is only 1.65

[vocal tinsel]

and the passives are all wonky, idk what build youre using that fuel the fight is used, but ive mainly seen it on the feed the fury/martial prowess clusters to position martial and feed on the front

[finite quail]

no im not using it

its ass

I just thuoght it was cool that I dropped a 3 notable cluster in ssf act 8

[vocal tinsel]

oh yeah that is kinda neat

[finite quail]

Indeed

Currently I'm running a bleed tornado shot glad

[vocal tinsel]

that sounds cool

[finite quail]

Once I get haemophilias then slayer

[vocal tinsel]

I should try running a necromancer/witch build on ssf

2 classes I havent played yet

oh wait necro is an ascendency class of witch isnt it

[finite quail]

yes

[vocal tinsel]

im thinking of ranger instead I havent played her

[rancid sluice]

necro/ele/occ

[finite quail]

cool lil upgrade from faustus

[vocal tinsel]

ranger/templar and witch are the 3 i havent played (and scion ig but isnt she like basically all classes in one?)

[finite quail]

Yes

And no

[limpid prairie]

scion is +5 skill points class xd

[finite quail]

Ascendant is a less powerful version of all ascendancies

And Reliquarian gets unique item effects for her ascendancy

[royal stump]

😂

[dusty turtle]

Hexblast Mine used to be very strong but got nerfed a while ago. Is the DPS still high enough in 3.28 to easily defeat Olroth?

[spice pecan]

you wouldn't use mines for hexblast anymore

there is a selfcast ignite hexblast build out there somewhere, dont know how good it is though

[cosmic eagle]

Hexblast is dead

[spice pecan]

but hexblast mines is 100% dead

[cosmic eagle]

If you like mines exsang/reap is there, traps are good this league too

[finite quail]

hexblast has a cooldown now

its dead

[onyx adder]

I mean u could probably beat olroth with hexblast mines in 3.28

[cosmic eagle]

Lvl your damn character bud

[short prairie]

never

too much work

[dusty turtle]

Since Hexblast is dead, which mine or trap skill would you recommend for defeating Olroth?

[limpid prairie]

killed with like 10 mil in a white book

[short prairie]

i'll jsut ninjawarrior

[cosmic eagle]

Exsang/reap is nice like i said if you want mines or trap

[onyx adder]

But that says more about olroth than it does about hexblast mines i suppose

[short prairie]

see

[cosmic eagle]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01KNWF1TQS3A21RH6D2E0F2KFG/4x.webp

[short prairie]

i can ninja warrior

just dont look at the max hits

lmao

[dusty turtle]

Thanks for all the info, everyone! I'll look around for other skills/builds.

[onyx adder]

The wiki still has all this old info about hexblast interaction with mines lul, bless em

[finite quail]

what old info

[onyx adder]

nes
Supporting Hexblast with

High-Impact Mine Support
(or

Blastchain Mine Support
) bypasses Hexblast's slow cast speed. Mines are preferable to traps as traps trigger simultaneously and curse on hit is removed when traps expire, preventing Hexblast from gaining its AOE component and damage reliably.[8]

Because of the inability for Hexblast to cast without a valid target, this greatly improves the ability to set up damage on bosses by pre-stacking mines without accidentally triggering them.
The combination of mines auto-targeting enemies and Hexblast having a smart targeting system reduces the need to aim precisely and ensures no uses of the skill are wasted.
A source of curse on hit and a Blasphemy/

Profane Proxy
is sufficient to allow Hexblast to reliably hex the enemy on each hit in a detonation sequence.

Mark of Submission
cannot be used with mines as they are unable to use the socketed gem in the ring.
Profane Proxy is even more effective due to provide extra detonations and more damage with mines.

[finite quail]

it can still be used with mines tho, no?

even if on a cooldown

the only old text there is the slow cast speed part

[cosmic eagle]

A mine with a cd is so damn funny

[finite quail]

genuinely its better to use it with trap support now

than with mines

cause you can get additional trap cooldown uses

[onyx adder]

Thats the only correct bit left lul

[finite quail]

lmao

[cosmic eagle]

Never played traps, can you auto detonate that thing or you just wait for it to blow up

[onyx adder]

Everything else is either misleading or wrong since mines now dont last long enough for any of the detonation text to make sense

[finite quail]

you either run sunblast or you dont

[onyx adder]

It detects enemies

[full fossil]

@short prairie wake up

[finite quail]

sunblast lowers trap duration by 75% so they pop after 1 second

[onyx adder]

In a radius which u can spec into

[finite quail]

ifyou dont, traps blow up when enemies walk ontop of them

and you can scale the detonation radius

[onyx adder]

U can also sunblast as lambie says

U would not sunblast these tho

[cosmic eagle]

So it relies heavily on that item

[onyx adder]

Sunblast is generally considered to be too unpleasant to map with

[spice pecan]

sunblast is really annoying

[onyx adder]

Its really a bossing item

[finite quail]

agreed

traps in general are very annoying

[cosmic eagle]

Id stick with exsang i guess, cant imagine waiting game during mapping holy cringe

[finite quail]

no

thats only with sunblast

[dark kite]

you dont have to wait for them to detonate if an enemy triggers them

[finite quail]

without it you just throw the traps ontop of enemies and they blow up

or you throw them closer to you if the mobs are fast

like when you play bow builds

[cosmic eagle]

Does it chain like some mines do?

[finite quail]

you can google it

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-google-it-gill-engvid-you-can-search-for-it-online-you-can-browse-for-it-on-the-web-gif-10409511348401384306

[onyx adder]

Sabo ascendancy makes them chain

Its basically useless

[dark kite]

think of traps vs mines like grenades vs, well, landmines

[cosmic eagle]

So you need sabo for a trap build basically

[dark kite]

no you dont

[finite quail]

sabo is generally the trap ascendancy but the nodes are so mid you can really go with anything else

[onyx adder]

What about "its basically useless" made u think "its basically required"

Lul

[finite quail]

this node is useless

if you run specific recovery options

[onyx adder]

Well

50 aoe is the nut

[finite quail]

like tinkerskin or life/mana/es when your traps are blown up by an enemy

[onyx adder]

The first line is useless tho

[finite quail]

because it basically disables these recovery options

cause ur traps are mostly no longer blown up by enemies

but by themselves

honestly traps as a whole need a rebalance

its been too long

[dark kite]

yeah i miss playing a trapper

the playstyle is fun but theyre just not there right now

[finite quail]

they havent been there in ages

[heady cliff]

SEISMIC TRAP REPORTING FOR DUTY

[spice pecan]

ggg doesn't want to touch traps ever again after seismic trap

[dark kite]

fun league starters tho

[finite quail]

When's the last time you saw anyone playing a trap build that wasn't seismic trap, ice trap or lightning spark mine whatever its called for levelling?

[heady cliff]

fire trap builds were popular

[spice pecan]

levelling? as traps?

i've seen lightning trap maybe one time

[heady cliff]

i mean RF builds

[onyx adder]

I played BL of static trapper the other league

[spice pecan]

trap levelling after seismic trap was killed is dead

[onyx adder]

It was playable

Like C+ tier

[rancid sluice]

theres a zhp ice trap occ bosser going around too

[spice pecan]

yeah but you dont level as traps

[dark kite]

i guess it's been a while since i league started a trapper

[spice pecan]

you just delete bosses, nothing else

[onyx adder]

Lightning trap is solid leveling skill fyi

[finite quail]

it used to be very common as a levelling setup to very early on use lightning trap then swap to something else mid levelling iirc

[dark kite]

but i remember liking lightning trap

[gritty epoch]

RF

[rancid sluice]

true

[finite quail]

It is also a good trap

[onyx adder]

Still A tier leveling

[spice pecan]

yeah ive seen lightning trap like twice

[finite quail]

?

[gritty epoch]

RF uses fire trap I mean

[onyx adder]

Very good clear, boss dps falls off about cruel lab or so and u switch

[finite quail]

okay

but like

thats not a trap build

[cosmic eagle]

Pure trap

[finite quail]

not really

when we mean trap builds we mean them as your primary skill and what you revolve your character around

rf is not that

Rf only uses it as complementary dps

[onyx adder]

Yer its like calling bv glad a minion build

[cosmic eagle]

Nah they call it minion build coz of minion pact

[finite quail]

fucking gaming

[spice pecan]

we pogging

[finite quail]

we ging

merc lab time

[spice pecan]

i am also just about to finish act 8 in ssf

[thick goblet]

tshot holy

[finite quail]

Its so fun

[spice pecan]

i saw lunaris's life bar move while she was invuln

poggers

[finite quail]

thats how strong bleed ts is

dont mess wit da og

damage is pretty nice

[spice pecan]

bleed bow underrated

[limpid prairie]

what are you using to aggravate?

[finite quail]

glad

[limpid prairie]

Oh! that makes sense
have seen RoA for life on hit aggravate

[finite quail]

Sure, could prolly do it with ballistas

but thats a lot of sockets i dont have rn

poquers

[gritty garnet]

ensnaring arrow too op they removed it

[finite quail]

wdym

im levelling one rn

[gritty garnet]

the count as moving part

[finite quail]

oh

didnt know that was a thing

its still good tho

[gritty garnet]

they did add rupture though

[finite quail]

its like having a second snipers mark

[gritty garnet]

which I guess you can imbue

[finite quail]

never seen anyone run rupture support since they added it

but like

[gritty garnet]

diamond shrine maybe

[finite quail]

20% inc damage taken from projs

legit a small second snipers mark

plus huge slows

[gritty garnet]

but bleed usually gets like olesya + frenzy charges

it lets you scale shock effect as well which is basically now your wither for bleed

[finite quail]

for FUCKS sake bro all labs I did I have NOT GOTTEN GEM QUALITY

[limpid prairie]

snipe can one shoot bosses
super funny

[finite quail]

yes

thats

thats what its for

[spice pecan]

fishing for good snipes is kinda annoying

but when it hits

HOLY

[finite quail]

glads weapon master needs a fucking bow mod on it

istg

[spice pecan]

it does

[finite quail]

no

[spice pecan]

though at least more than skill works with rearguard xdding

[finite quail]

it doesnt

[spice pecan]

no i meant it DOES need one

[limpid prairie]

Puncture hits hard enough without snipe though

[spice pecan]

sorry

[finite quail]

oh

yes it does

[spice pecan]

when you're running volatility and ryslatha's, and phys mastery, your damage range on the bleed is enormous

[finite quail]

20% more damage over time while wielding a bow

PLEASE

PLEASE GGG I BEG YOU

[spice pecan]

at the very least, make the node before more than skill just apply if you have block chance at all

so you can at least get 50 block from rearguard

[finite quail]

DAMN thats a good quiver

[limpid prairie]

space for craft too!

[finite quail]

time to corrupt my previosu quiver

last time I got point blank

now I need +1 arrow

oh wait

+1 arrow is ilvl75 for corrupting

sadge

dayum 12% phys as extra fire

still worse tho

[spice pecan]

hunter influence eventually goes crazy

i think that's what lets you get phys dot multi with bow attacks

[limpid prairie]

this is right, quivers are also suuuuper easy to craft

[finite quail]

you already get dot multi on quivers

but yes hunter influence also has phys dot

so you can get both

but its a hard craft

[spice pecan]

this was provided to me through ye olde chaos orb

[finite quail]

ye olde slot machine

[spice pecan]

if you believe in the chaos orb, it will provide

trust

[finite quail]

I got

1 chaos orb rn

[spice pecan]

[finite quail]

rich asf

bands on bands on bands on bands

[frigid frost]

does anyon here has a rough idea when does MIRAGE league ends?

[finite quail]

in about 50 days

give or take a few days, probably slightly more, like 60 days

[frigid frost]

so around late june ?

[finite quail]

no

around middle-late july

add two months to our current date

[frigid frost]

ah i see thank you 🙂 i still have time for one more build lol

[ebon tendon]

september

[normal hedge]

oh wow

[charred condor]

Guys should I grind for hideout or grind atlas

[normal hedge]

(std)

wasnt expecting it to sell

[heady cliff]

what jenebu ban does to people...

[spice pecan]

probably should finish your atlas

[charred condor]

Ok

I’m missing like all of the unique maps tho

So sad

But breach farming is going good 👍

[short prairie]

@cosmic eagle poeninja warrior final form

zhp

[spice pecan]

are you #1 yet

[cosmic eagle]

Level your character

[short prairie]

alr #1, so 1b is extra

[spice pecan]

im surprised there's no ice trapper with more than 1b

[cosmic eagle]

Day 1 build frfr

[short prairie]

no ambush

very ethical

[thick goblet]

nice helmet

[short pagoda]

sorry guys got hacked

[lucid gale]

[short prairie]

sorry guys got hacked

[spice pecan]

sorry guys got flicked

[charred condor]

Flicker striked 🤔?

[hard cliff]

[normal hedge]

Alexander_GGG#0000
Alexander_GGG#0000 - 3.28.0h Hotfix 1
[h3]3.28.0h Hotfix 1[/h3]
The Rongokurai's Boon buff from Guardian Turtle Spectres is no longer affected by modifiers to Buff Expiry Rate, such as Temporal Chains.

lol

[spice pecan]

lmaoooo

[normal hedge]

that was fast

[spice pecan]

they already nerfed 1 immortality tech this league

surprised people thought another would live

[craggy fiber]

https://youtu.be/ieNlLbRdl00?si=MfaA0yOG8t9acuRg

kek

fixxed?

thats fast

[spice pecan]

making andrew and octavian work weekends

[karmic gust]

lol its not even monday yet

thats funny

[craggy fiber]

where you see this btw

[normal hedge]

#ggg-tracker

[lucid gale]

[charred sigil]

Just hit two things.
Tainted Mythic Orb ... and Coin of Skill

Gosh ... I need a drink

[short prairie]

Today is zao’s day off

[charred sigil]

Both first try

[normal hedge]

why did they fix the turtle bug the same day, but harvest bosses have been buggy for 5 years?

actually they fixed one of the bugs but the most annoying one still a thing

🥀

[ebon tendon]

classic

[short prairie]

Idk what the harvest bosses logics are, but there’s one way to solve it: when hp reach invulnerability there should be a golden invulnerability bar like all the other bosses and assign an “invulnerability tag” if you will depending on programming language, before each action you do a “search” to see if the “invulnerability tag” is assigned, if yes then they phase, if not then they perform another action, on phase, lose the “invulnerability tag” and invulnerability until the 2nd invulnerability phase and do the same thing again until dead.

[finite quail]

that snakebite is insane

too bad its snakebite

[silent leaf]

slay the spire 2 reference

[finite quail]

havent played it

[short prairie]

This applies to izaro too

Izaro attacks even after invulnerability kicks in

That’s f’ed up

[finite quail]

ffs I got an icefang orbit

instead of the bleed one

[normal hedge]

now tag zao and ask him to fix it

[short prairie]

[charred sigil]

I'm gonna use those for my build tho

What is the rough chance on hitting extra curse corrupt on a amulet?

[finite quail]

check poedb and guess

[livid quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieNlLbRdl00 this?

[normal hedge]

yes

[finite quail]

because players being immortal is more important than harvest bosses taking slightly longer to kill

[normal hedge]

no

[finite quail]

yes

[normal hedge]

its more about 5 years

with the same bug

[lucid gale]

Happy weekend!

[normal hedge]

not which one is more important

dont need to be that smart

[lucid gale]

Is the Harvest "bug" the one where they need some open space around themselves to do things?

[normal hedge]

yeah otherwise they never phase

[onyx adder]

U dont get days off, the content locusts must be satisfied

Back to the salt mines with you

[lucid gale]

I had a bright idea to do web-adjacent hobby dev today and my brain hurts.

[onyx adder]

See, thats the world telling u to go bugfix 0.5

Or possibly touch grass i cant tell

[onyx adder]

Also yes its that bug

Because even if its not a bug, calling it a feature will probably cause about 18% of this discord to go commit a random homicide

Therefore its a bug

[finite quail]

please dont tell one of the main devs the players will commit random homicides over game bugs

thats a horrifingly bad look

[onyx adder]

One would hope that ggg has a better sense of humor than u do

I have, however, been incorrect in the past

Rare as it is

[finite quail]

you know this is the internet

people like that exist, man

[livid quarry]

if i had to guess ggg thinks that economy fixes it in a way. slower harvest farming means the juice is worth more while turtle is like everyone going to focus on one bug and game gets boring

[main prairie]

this man is serious

[onyx adder]

Its scale and also its not really a bug in the strict sense in that everything is behaving like how it's been told to

Its just that this is annoying and requires players to behave in a counterintuitive manner to get around it

Comparing it to invincible player interactions is probably not the go

[livid quarry]

should still fix it the game shouldnt feel bad to play

[onyx adder]

Sure

I dont think anybody likes it lul

[finite quail]

wtf is that act 10 jewel

[onyx adder]

Doing abysses in a10?

[finite quail]

yeah

I need searching jewels

for flat phys

[charred sigil]

On my way to act 5 with my Pathfinder alt

[short prairie]

updated

[thick goblet]

did u socket ambush

[short prairie]

no

[finite quail]

good lord its fat

ffs now I need TWO exalts

[short prairie]

slam crit multi?

[finite quail]

i got none

also no

i dont want crit multi

bleed ts

i want enemies maimed by you take inc dot

[short prairie]

???

[finite quail]

I'm not perfect agony tho?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cat-tiktok-tiktok-comb-gif-16050619043683504879

[short prairie]

so you are not perfect

i see

[finite quail]

its ssf

i aint doing that shit

[short prairie]

i thought you were perfect lambie

now you are not

[finite quail]

I am a different version of perfect

[short prairie]

you lost the spot

[hard cliff]

is this good on anything?

[finite quail]

Jk I never was

being flawed is better

[short prairie]

crit dot

PA is used but not often

[finite quail]

though perfect agony isnt a bad choice

[short prairie]

if you have diamond belt it's really good

[finite quail]

bleeds get overruled by stronger bleeds

so long crit bleeds are good

[spice pecan]

perfect agony is such a scam

[hard cliff]

@short prairie
how do i league start cold dot

[finite quail]

even with a low crit chance

[spice pecan]

you play wintertide brand + vortex + cold snap + creeping frost

either go into LL coruscating setup with pain attunement or find some other way to go CI instead and get damage

[finite quail]

wintertide alone is fine usually

[hard cliff]

can it do Ubers?

[finite quail]

if you go elementalist and spam golems everywhere

[short prairie]

https://pobb.in/s2OD0j0C81qr

[hard cliff]

assume I get hit by everything

[spice pecan]

ubers? would not guess so

[finite quail]

especially with the new companionship support

[finite quail]

You can

with just wintertide

[spice pecan]

nah we playing occultist

[finite quail]

I killed a few ubers last league

[spice pecan]

fuck elementalist

shit is BORING

[finite quail]

on occ good luck

cause its just way worse

[spice pecan]

i want my explode for free

[hard cliff]

I had no idea frost BLADES worked with a scepter

[spice pecan]

not killing uber sirus for explode in ssf

tbh

[hard cliff]

very silly

[finite quail]

I wish the new explode support gem wasnt dogshit

[spice pecan]

would you imbue damage on full life here?

[finite quail]

its the same as devastator

only kills from your attack hits explode enemies

so cringe

[hard cliff]

this looks expensive

[finite quail]

If it atleast had a more damage multiplier it'd be fine for niche builds

[short prairie]

surprise

[spice pecan]

huh, is that real? interesting

[hard cliff]

that's actually insane

[short prairie]

it's technically a mace

so ye works with strike skills

[spice pecan]

frost mace of katabasis

[finite quail]

shouldnt you get greater multistrike instead?

[normal hedge]

senses you know cruelty mastery doenst do that right

[onyx adder]

Thats fake news btw

[normal hedge]

increased cruelty effect just makes it easier to reach the limit, its not 14% more dps

[onyx adder]

But fake news in the good direction

[hard cliff]

what do you got on the pain attunement keystone?

[onyx adder]

Pob just averages things, multistrike gives ur final repeat and the katabasis dot 44% more dmg

Not 22%