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[short prairie]

Uh

[hard cliff]

ok we have our range

8-14

[cobalt blade]

14 is implying running the shield and not every pcharge stacker can or even wants to

[spice pecan]

many pcharge stackers go 2x void battery as well

[cobalt blade]

yea

which honestly you can get to 14 with that but then its sublime vision and double battery(and assassin or occy)

8+ is a more reasonable range

[short prairie]

Well I flicker visioned again

[spice pecan]

sublime vision is a huge blow to pcharge stackers a lot of the time, and you need that for 14 xd

[cobalt blade]

not strictly necesary

+1 ring means you can get 14 with shield and no sublime

[spice pecan]

technically true yea

[short prairie]

Ye 14 is without sublime and bound by destiny

[cobalt blade]

forgot about bound but thats too painful to fit in lmfao

[spice pecan]

given that at this point you're using basically 100% uniques

yeah that is going to be actual cbt

[cobalt blade]

your running +1 ring from either precursor or synth so no influ there your probably running foulborn void battery so no influ

[short prairie]

If you can, go pof instead of +1 charge

[cobalt blade]

you might be running resonating belt but not necesary but if your not its mageblood and very few are willing to chance that

[spice pecan]

would much rather not run sublime at all

[cobalt blade]

uuh

[short prairie]

It’s alr

[spice pecan]

offensive auras are important on this kind of setup

[scarlet horizon]

any way to check someones hideout ign?

[short prairie]

Maybe some adorned shenanigan

[cobalt blade]

that doesnt help with fitting in influences

[livid quarry]

https://pobb.in/yELNsK5Imm3k more fun build

with good clear

[short prairie]

We are not going for bound by destiny

No need more influence

[spice pecan]

what the fuck is this

what the fuck is that claw

[livid quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUWWWmK0GhI&t=738s

[spice pecan]

is there any actual reason this isn't an occultist

besides more than skill

i guess you get nice instant leech from glad with claw

[livid quarry]

[cobalt blade]

also the pain of getting attack block i think

and occy kinda just being +1 charge

[livid quarry]

t17 gone block too op

gotta nerf

[spice pecan]

still running 2 block tattoos despite playing glad

is very funny

[cobalt blade]

yeah now imagine getting said block on occy lmao

[spice pecan]

i mean true

this is a 1b dps pob anyways so nothing matters

[cobalt blade]

+9% on the actual tree of glad and the 50% from glad

[spice pecan]

at 1b dps you dont even need an ascendancy

in the first place

[livid quarry]

how is sebk so rich

is it mirror fees?

[cobalt blade]

he plays alot

[short prairie]

I mean if he needs more he can use red nightmare for block chance

[livid quarry]

where does most of his wealth come from

[spice pecan]

is adorned really worth it for just four jewels?

[livid quarry]

crafting or mapping

[cobalt blade]

read it as a 21% life jewel

[livid quarry]

i dunno how these builds survive losing so much of their hp

[spice pecan]

is it not 14 with 100 adorned

[cobalt blade]

yes but you could run a 7% life jewel in the adorned socket

[spice pecan]

i guess

[marsh robin]

not even on the market rn

[hard cliff]

I can see why

[marsh robin]

why

mb i dont even know what this is i just got it and looked at market and its not on ther

[hard cliff]

It's really bad

Sorry

Nobody wants mana on kill

[spice pecan]

you want ele pen suffix generally

[short prairie]

The guy doesn’t even know what tinctures are

[hard cliff]

HE'S DOING HIS BEST

[spice pecan]

you think im taking the time to read anything that isn't an item

[limpid prairie]

rage will be pretty good on ranged tinctures if they didnt throw rage on gloves for some reason

[short prairie]

It’s basically an item that gives you insane effects if you roll them correctly but burns your mana faster and faster until you can’t pay the mana cost and it goes on cooldown

[full kraken]

divining basically done, Im happy with this

now we just dump like 100 tempering orbs into it til we hit 15% phys enchant

[finite quail]

who was it that had issues dropping a jinxed juju in ssf?

[dusty turtle]

According to Gemini, Ward does not instantly jump from 0 to its maximum value.
Instead, it recovers continuously over time along a smooth linear gradient.

[finite quail]

according to i dont fucking care

read the wiki

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-g-fries-lasers-gif-11602228301725604128

cogsucker

[dusty turtle]

Alright. I’ll check the wiki then.

[drowsy eagle]

I can't even play poe without asking ai

[short prairie]

Maybe I should build an ai and feed the wiki to it

[dusty turtle]

I still can’t get a clear picture of how the Ward loop actually works.

[spice pecan]

I would strongly suggest avoiding AI when it comes to PoE stuff, it gets things utterly wrong

[dusty turtle]

I don’t understand why the loop can still function even with only four Regenerative Runes.

[short prairie]

What if I train an ai with crafting advice poe wiki poe ninja poe gems poe labs poe maps

Also train them to become Casie

[livid quarry]

@native token why does everyone talk bout u

[spice pecan]

do not the AI

[onyx adder]

I think something ppl dont realize is that the only time ur ward value changes is when ur gear changes or u press iron flask

If u get hit u dont lose ward

It just breaks and doesnt do anything until it restores

So if u ask ai how fast ward regenerates its gonna get super confused

[cold sable]

regenerative flasks makes u gain flask charge when ward breaks

that with increased flask charge gain = iron flask fills instantly on ward break

and then it has "used when charges reach full" enchant

and that causes it to fully restore the ward

so therefore with this type of loop you will always have full ward

the "loop" comes from them using self damage (ie, heartbound loop) to constantly break ward to fuel a infinite cycle that with cast on ward break suport can do crazy shit

u need 40 charges, 36 if you have 10% less flask charges used

4*2 from regerative = 8

times 1.66 enchant on the flask (ilvl 84 one, can use x1.6 if ilvl 83)

= 13.28

times (one plus) increased flask gain on the tree (ie, alchemists genius, fasting, pathfinder ascendancy, etc) = some number

if that number is greater than charges needed then gg ur flasks are set

[drowsy eagle]

until you meet a siphon flask charges rare

[short prairie]

Holy wall

[hard cliff]

how do you die

[short prairie]

Dot

[cold sable]

what lotte said

or dots

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drugs-drug-snow-animal-gif-10335506710319479131

[cold sable]

or if you somehow get hit by a 10 billion damage attack

[hard cliff]

that's awesome

[cold sable]

reduced cdr map mod can kill you, reduced flasks is bad, runes of searing exarch is really bad also

[dry tree]

Squeeze an eternal damnation setup in there somehow for dot immunity

Surely there's room

[spice pecan]

eternal damnation is such a sad item these days

i dropped the relic for it in tyty PL and wanted to cry

[dry tree]

I'd still use it if I needed giga recovery and has a way to make it work

[spice pecan]

no charges is kinda rough for most builds

[dry tree]

It's just a bit less compelling with instant leech

No real need at a certain point

[spice pecan]

also for recovery in amulet slot wouldn't you rather have either tainted pact or blood of corruption or something?

[dry tree]

Sorry I was thinking of tainted pact

[spice pecan]

oh yeah lmao

[dry tree]

I'd rather have the uh

Dod

That amulet slams

[spice pecan]

dod goated

[gritty garnet]

esp with volatile vaal + catalysts

[dry tree]

It's still crazy with petblood

Though it's funny how you can be in more danger when you stop taking hits

[dusty turtle]

Sorry for the late response, I was away.
Thanks for taking the time to explain it so clearly.

[limpid prairie]

Kafka even has memes this is crazy

[normal hedge]

she slays

[nova minnow]

the strongest defences be having CI and end charges

[limpid prairie]

Yes
Every new character i build i feel that
I also keep clicking every red altar but that has nothing to do with my opinion

[nova minnow]

So the answer is

CI flicker strike w replica farrul

[spice pecan]

perhaps a fuego take but

CI without a rare chest is sus

[stuck phoenix]

Bwuh

[livid quarry]

es too low

[limpid prairie]

As a person who knows spanish dropping spanish words in between looks so cringe

[spice pecan]

I remember playing doryani LS in 3.25 and getting an actually acceptable amount of ES was like pulling teeth

[nova minnow]

just somehow be int stacker as well as a ci flicker

[spice pecan]

love that for you

[nova minnow]

[stuck phoenix]

So real

[stuck phoenix]

Any language you actually speak looks lame

[short prairie]

recrafted this

no life

F

[limpid prairie]

inb4 just sell it and make a new one

[short prairie]

come to ssf ill sell it to you

[normal hedge]

manifold ring

my beloved

[short prairie]

pls

i dont have frenzy ring

this is all i got

[normal hedge]

thats fine

[short prairie]

what you fine me for

[normal hedge]

nothing

[umbral crag]

For being a menace. Menacingly hot

[stuck phoenix]

[umbral crag]

I should try wardloop

[normal hedge]

i thought i was cooking a pob with heatshiver then a friend told me to check the fart shot helm and it was like 45% more damage

[umbral crag]

But so expensive and finding little time to farm T.TA

Only have boots and chest and a scrappy timeless kekw

[stuck phoenix]

You were not cooking

[split maple]

well slap a point blank on both pobs then compare

[umbral crag]

He cooked but burnt the kitchen

[short prairie]

you can cook with old heatshiver

[short prairie]

so hot rn i need to take my jacket off

[normal hedge]

wym its freezing outside

[umbral crag]

I concur

[stuck phoenix]

I'm not outside

[limpid prairie]

ehh depends on the day

[umbral crag]

Fking equator weather stinks

[limpid prairie]

I got a basalt to be tankier
so
now im a mageblood build with no quicksilver

[spice pecan]

the past 3 days it was 80+F (26.6+C) and then today it randomly peaked at only 51F (10.5C)

[tranquil sedge]

delicious

[short prairie]

phys wand login

[split maple]

i am deeply dissapointed into global warming these days

[normal hedge]

i wish it was 10C during the entire year

[spice pecan]

i grew up where it would hit 110F so I've gained the right to my nice cool 80-90F summers

[split maple]

may this cold just isnt acceptable

[limpid prairie]

idk i think its a great sign, global warming was a fad after all

[tepid anchor]

oh gosh

i woke up cold and made a fire in the woodstove

[normal hedge]

kb login

[stuck brook]

when i was a kid, there would be heat warnings in summer when the temps would go over 27c (80f) for a few days

now we regularly get 35+C and nobody cares

[short prairie]

my end of league 300m is almost done

time to end the league soon

[normal hedge]

yes, to blast in poe2

[split maple]

time to move that shock slider in pob a lil to the right

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pernalonga-meme-pernalonga-no--k01KRJG686EMADZ31T2SHMCYCCE

[short prairie]

shock is alr max

all damage can shock with yoke, my hits are already doing way too much to max shock

[split maple]

emm divine tincture or smh

hmmge prolly just dcing smite to vaal 21 would get you over 300

or getting assmark to lvl21

[short prairie]

if i really want to i just make a 35 increase pen tincture

but it's not realistic mana burns too quickly

also poe ninja warrior put ambush and berserk in and then empower them

lmfao

[livid quarry]

https://pobb.in/nGbPH5sLss4i look i inc dps to 277m with vaal smite

[placid ermine]

Are there any big private leagues I can join?

[onyx adder]

Fwiw farshot helmet can be quite uncomfortable to use depending on the skill so maybe u were still cooking

[short prairie]

alright poe ninja warrior done

[onyx adder]

Thanks, i hate it

[short prairie]

blame poeninja for this not me

i alr asked the creator to detect heatshiver then toggle on freeze

he acknowledged it but hasnt implemented it

so replcia abyssus it is

: )

See this game next league

[spice pecan]

no wait

you have to poeninja warrior ruthless

[normal hedge]

senses now you should play trade

[short prairie]

i refuse

[short prairie]

thats poe2

[spice pecan]

let's duo ruthless rn

i'll aurabot

no balls, you won't

[short prairie]

you cant aura bot

no gems for you early

[normal hedge]

aurabot the 2 auras you found

[spice pecan]

I get smite

[short prairie]

lmao

[spice pecan]

but also skill gems aren't really that hard to come by in roofless

it's supports that are the problem

and a welfare tier aurabot doesn't need supports generally

[short prairie]

roofless for sure

[spice pecan]

i've played enough roofless to know, xd

[normal hedge]

just gotta find an accel belt

[short prairie]

you dont get a roof at all in ruthless

[modest sparrow]

Thats what roofless means yeah

[spice pecan]

unironically tho if you wanna send the shit in roofless I'm down

[modest sparrow]

[spice pecan]

i've played thru yellows, sort of understand how it works

kinda over it in SSF rn, needing clusters to deal damage, but needing damage to do deli, but needing to do deli for clusters is like

not super great

[split maple]

Whatcha gonna do now senses

Hc?

[short prairie]

whats your build in ssf now mythik

[short prairie]

warframe

[onyx adder]

U dont rly need damage to do deli unless u need i84s

t16 deli any build can do pretty much

[split maple]

And for most clusters t3 is allrite...

[normal hedge]

you get so many clusters

unless ure talking about ilv 84

[cold sable]

what farming strategies are using regular t16s with mirage covers whole map

[short prairie]

breach

[onyx adder]

Breach

[cold sable]

is that better or worse than 16.5 breach

[onyx adder]

Boxes prolly does as well idk trade

[cold sable]

oh boxes true

[short prairie]

boxes is waste i think?

[cold sable]

i have like 100 of them in my stasha nd they are kinda valuable

[short prairie]

hauntd mansion alr covers the map

[cold sable]

they do containment

on dunes

or smth

[normal hedge]

did some 100% stacked deck deli orb with it

[short prairie]

are your fingers alright

[normal hedge]

they drop in Stack of at least 5

its less click intensive than breach or boxes

[onyx adder]

Speaking of which, cloister strat should be something u do with mirage covers full map but i had quite bad results

Not sure if sample size issues

[mental nymph]

Hi chat

[normal hedge]

no fuck cloister

thats for fulcrum chieftains

[onyx adder]

I dont judge

Im just sayin since the dude above asked what ur supposed to use those maps for

Like for me i quit really early so in practical terms all theyre for is quickly grinding out challenges since u get guaranteed dupe on everything

[short prairie]

gotta say, ascendant can use some help in ssf, sabo warden too

[onyx adder]

Warden and ascendant are shit and sabo is rly hard to play in ssf

U should look at the hcssf ladder

Its really funny

All shadow ascendancy and all ranger ascendancy below unascended templar

Lmfao

Also below unascended duelist and marauder obviously

[short prairie]

cuz they died before they get to ascent

[onyx adder]

Yea

[short prairie]

so their profile is stuck there

[onyx adder]

It goes to level 21

In ssfhc

Its rly funny tho

[short prairie]

restrict level to 85

[onyx adder]

If u do that all the right side ascendancies still at the bottom lul

[magic tangle]

If i carry my friend thru uber lab does he get 2 divine font use as well?

[onyx adder]

So bad

[spice pecan]

ssf sabo is kind of alright, magma mines are turbo ez to setup

[short prairie]

cuz it's hard to survive early on the right side

[spice pecan]

ascendant tho, generally needs a lot of items

[magic tangle]

And does he have to be in the izaro room or just before the fight to get the points

[short prairie]

typically a 2nd character

[onyx adder]

Not just that its also most of the things u would want to do early right side require lots of investment for damage

[short prairie]

i was stupid enough to leaguestart with reliquarian

[onyx adder]

I liked the look of hcssf pyroclast as reliquarian

[spice pecan]

i mean, i'm surprised ppl aren't played phys dot ascendant in ssf since going the blood magic route doesn't need that much gear

[onyx adder]

But 1 build ascendancy is no bueno

[short prairie]

claw matery dagger masteries are insane

[spice pecan]

and phys dot ascendant is sick

[livid quarry]

at least u were highest dps reli flicker

[onyx adder]

Either u click crit

And u die 5 maps after u switch

Or u dont click crit and u dont do any damage

Its the actual nut low

[spice pecan]

don't talk about my nut thanks

also senses, were you the one that had the cold dot katabasis occy pob?

[onyx adder]

I have played this build

[spice pecan]

or was that esm

[onyx adder]

Its cbt even by hcssf standards

Its better than going right side probably

But its SUCH cbt

[spice pecan]

i actually didn't have much cbt with it until the red map wall

[onyx adder]

Thats the cbt bit

[spice pecan]

but i value EXTREMELY HIGHLY a build's campaign viability

[short prairie]

highest dps out of all reli

not just flicker

[onyx adder]

Similar to why nobody plays any other non ailment dot build except rf

[short prairie]

reli sucks

[onyx adder]

Oh

Why

[short prairie]

0 damage node

[spice pecan]

I want to play the game

[onyx adder]

I just play cremation archmage for four hours

[spice pecan]

I don't want the poe2 shit of play x build into y build into maybe transition into z build

[short prairie]

one sec

[onyx adder]

Oh man thats the poe1 shit

Since 1.0

[spice pecan]

I want to play the fucking skill that I want to play

[onyx adder]

I respect ur opinion and all

[spice pecan]

no mate

[onyx adder]

And i agree thats more fun when u can

[spice pecan]

go read the poe2 lightning spear blood mage post on maxroll

[onyx adder]

But if u think playing leveling build hasnt been the efficient thing since day 1

In poe1

Then lul

[spice pecan]

no one is talking about efficiency

go play hollow palm if you want that

[onyx adder]

I mean im not gonna die in campaign

No matter what i play

[spice pecan]

nor is anyone talking about dying

[final owl]

is this not just about a lot of skills in 2 being locked behind higher levels

[onyx adder]

So even if i dont care about efficiency

Im just gonna take 8 hours instead of 4

Out of a 200 hour league

[spice pecan]

wait wait

[short prairie]

https://pobb.in/PwiiOh49-ubk

idk why you would play this btw

attribute you just figure out yourself

[onyx adder]

Although the last hcssf run i did this league

[spice pecan]

why were you talking about efficiency if you are simultaneously saying "leveling build hasnt been the efficient thing since day 1" but also"leveling build hasnt been the efficient thing since day 1"

[onyx adder]

I died after 20 hours

[spice pecan]

im not attacking you im just confused

[onyx adder]

So maybe i should care more

[spice pecan]

like are we playing baseball or soccer

[onyx adder]

I thought u cared about efficiency

For me

[tranquil sedge]

-# you wrote the same thing twice

[onyx adder]

Its always the most efficient thing is the good thing

[spice pecan]

not necessarily, i care about the ability to play the main skill of your target build as soon as possible

[onyx adder]

But

If its only like

[spice pecan]

which is why bleed bow is S+ tier to me

[short prairie]

what

[onyx adder]

10% less efficient to level with the skill im gonna play

Then i do that

[short prairie]

gotta say bow play is not for me

bad experience overall with bows

[spice pecan]

pick duelist, kill hillock, buy bow, buy split arrow, link split arrow to chance to bleed, congrats you now have a functioning endgame build

it literally does not get better than that

[onyx adder]

But if something is dog shit in campaign

I just play arma brand cremation for 4 hours

Im not gonna throw out the build

Otherwise im stuck with 10 builds in hcssf and ive played em all already unless i want to take twice as much time

Anway im not saying u cant enjoy urself or whatever

Im just saying poe2 isnt really any worse than poe1

In this regard

[spice pecan]

brother

[normal hedge]

Just because they dont have fortify, block and free endurance charges generation?

[onyx adder]

And i say this as someone who has more campaign runs in poe2 than probably everyone talking here

[short prairie]

yes

[spice pecan]

the FIRST build guide I opened in poe2 redirected me THREE TIMES to different builds

like are we real?

[short prairie]

and squishy

overall

[onyx adder]

Man why do u keep talking about maxroll like its something i should care about

[spice pecan]

i've been redirected ONCE in poe1

[onyx adder]

Its like complaining poe1 is bad because pohx redirects u to rf or some shit

[spice pecan]

maxroll is irrespective of the point

respectfully at this point i think we're chasing different demons

[onyx adder]

If u want to be efficient in poe1 u level with something efficient and switch

If u want to be efficient in poe2 u level with something efficient and switch

[spice pecan]

my point is that I severely discredit builds in which you cannot play the main skill in the campaign

[onyx adder]

If u wanna have fun in both u just level with what u wanna play at endgame

And it'll be fine

Just slow

[tranquil sedge]

how early do you get those things in poe2

vs in poe1

[spice pecan]

level fucking 64

[tranquil sedge]

this is literally

all that mythik is trying to say

u get ur endgame poe2 skills later

that is all

[mental nymph]

Question

[tranquil sedge]

it has nothing to do with efficiency

[spice pecan]

yeah basically

[mental nymph]

How long does it approximately take to clear Poe 2 acts ?

[tranquil sedge]

-# too long

[spice pecan]

i just wanna play my skill early man

[tranquil sedge]

jk idk

some hours

[onyx adder]

Build dependent, poe2 has more skills that u cant play early but poe1 has a lot of builds/skill setups that cant be played till say merc lab

More than poe2

So

[normal hedge]

About the same as poe1 for some players

[onyx adder]

Its not clear to me

[tranquil sedge]

merc lab?

wtf requires merc lab to play

[spice pecan]

poe2 has skills and entire builds (impending doom for example) that are locked until after campaign

[tranquil sedge]

you can start playing anything you want by act 3 at the latest lol

[onyx adder]

Poe2 is about 50% to 75% longer to do acts for the same level of expettise

Give or take

[tranquil sedge]

merc lab might be a power spike but aint no way its required

[spice pecan]

and 4 acts there takes twice as long as 10 acts here

[livid quarry]

wait are they still planning to add more acts in poe2

[onyx adder]

So if ur a 5 hour poe1 campaigner might be a 8 hour poe2

[dense rock]

arent madlads clearing poo2 campaign in like sub 4 hours?

[onyx adder]

Give or take

[tranquil sedge]

6 total

[mental nymph]

Oh God

[spice pecan]

i dont WANT to fuckin play ed/c until i'm well into white maps just to play impending doom, when in poe1 i can fuckin go impending doom 3 hours into the character

[mental nymph]

How many are there currently ?

[normal hedge]

poe2 campaign took me 5h last league, and poe1 4.5h for example

[tranquil sedge]

even if its not very well-playable, theres nothin you can't theoretically start at act 3 in poe1

some of them you might not want to, sure, coz you want more power spike first or some more passives before u try

but you always have the option

[mental nymph]

I see I see ,that sounds pretty decent

Thought it would be way worse than Poe 1

[tranquil sedge]

and if ur willing enough you can endure a slower campaign and play it anyway even if u know its subpar or whatever

but if you can't even get the skill earlier

thats a different scenario altogether

[onyx adder]

Cruel lab actually

Probably better comparison

[tranquil sedge]

still the point stands

[onyx adder]

Since thats when u get ur last skills in poe2

[spice pecan]

the big point i want to make here is that - I am willing to endure a slower campaign if the target skill is literally UNLOCKABLE

[tranquil sedge]

use the word unlockable

it would convey ur argument better

[spice pecan]

yeah, right

[tranquil sedge]

coz u dont actually mean 'plays well'

you mean if you can even just get it

[spice pecan]

right ye

anyways, i forgot what this was even about

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[spice pecan]

can we talk about fartmaxxing instead?

[onyx adder]

Ok

Whats that

[spice pecan]

who knows

[onyx adder]

Yea i mean if the argument is can u socket the gem then sure

Anyway

[frigid wedge]

on todays episode of indecisive eri can't pick wtf to do

[spice pecan]

siphoning trap of pain, no other cold dot skills, pinnacle dot cap

[onyx adder]

Didnt we alrdy do this

[spice pecan]

there you go

[frigid wedge]

fuck no

[spice pecan]

[frigid wedge]

i have 3 things i wanna do and cant decide what

[tranquil sedge]

and what are those

[spice pecan]

only 3?

sans I would have expected you to have at least 20

[livid quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUWWWmK0GhI&t=779s giga clear

[frigid wedge]

put currency into elementalist
put currency into vls
level champ to sort challenges and then lab run it

[spice pecan]

giga bait

[spice pecan]

i am champ enjoyer so i vote for champ

i mean im actually hiero totem enjoyer but

[onyx adder]

Vls sounds like the least terrible option but what challenges do u need a champ for

[spice pecan]

champ is my side piece

[onyx adder]

Arent u in trade

[frigid wedge]

ubers and feared

[frigid wedge]

vls is the most terrible option of the 3

[normal hedge]

do it with your elementalist

[onyx adder]

Elementalist and champ are SO boring tho

[normal hedge]

champ slop

[frigid wedge]

my elementalist dies to harsh breezes

[onyx adder]

Havent we all built every possible combination of stats that could possibly go into these two classes

[normal hedge]

You have 6 portals

Gotta use all of them

[frigid wedge]

rilay i have been known to use all of them to run harvest

on the current investment

[normal hedge]

Thats the spirit

[onyx adder]

Painge

[spice pecan]

you're gay :3

[frigid wedge]

eh, the lab runner champ is the reason i want champ, im just gonna try the banner slammer setup for levelling and grab my ubers while im at it

[spice pecan]

but also tanky witch is a psyop

[frigid wedge]

thanks, my girlfriend thinks so too

[split maple]

okay thats kinda hot

[frigid wedge]

put it in a cluster

[spice pecan]

i've been suspecting my husband is gay but i am unsure

[split maple]

looking at this sebk thingie

[livid quarry]

is it story time

[spice pecan]

that sebk pob is so unbelievably bait

[livid quarry]

back to youtube then

[cold sable]

biggest smile on my face asking people for help killing a boss but its a t17 with 500% more life and life as es with full altar + essence buffs

[split maple]

how is it bait

[spice pecan]

just get 6mod items everywhere with corruptions and an adorned setup, BY THE WAY it's a non-ranged disso build

[onyx adder]

Post it

[normal hedge]

bait was my venting build

[spice pecan]

like we just not gonna talk about how it's using disso as a melee build right

[split maple]

https://pobb.in/yELNsK5Imm3k

[spice pecan]

disso is not a real item unless you're totems or mines

[normal hedge]

but its glad

with blood barrier

[frigid wedge]

config is setup to include 4 overlaps

iirc

[normal hedge]

oh its not blood barrier

[split maple]

count=5 yea

[spice pecan]

jungroan got a glad to 1b dps on lifestack without disso

[normal hedge]

thats minion slop pact

[spice pecan]

and yeah sebk's build doesnt even have fucking blood barrier LMAO

you want me to be in the target's asshole as a disso build?

[wintry lily]

yes

[spice pecan]

no thanks i'm gonna work on my mumble rap soundcloud instead

[normal hedge]

i wouldnt call it bait if it was blood barrier

but hes using the cock ring instead

[spice pecan]

if it had blood barrier then yeah it would be believable

but fuck no i'm not playing a short range disso build in maps

[onyx adder]

That looks really unpleasant to play

[spice pecan]

it's like relic of the pact but without the "upside"

[onyx adder]

Also u need that exact triple pof watchers or the build is even more unpleasant to play

I hate disso

[spice pecan]

like im sure he has more budget pobs and shit

but jfc

disso is not a real item unless you're playing relic or like perforate totems or some shit

[cobalt blade]

eh you can forego burning ground one and run panth

[spice pecan]

or you are exclusively bossing

[cobalt blade]

just having the ignite immune and 20 convert is fine

[normal hedge]

Ive played a disso hexblast during the 1st phrecia and ill never touch it again

[spice pecan]

disso is 110% a real item for bossing i will say that

[spice pecan]

i also played disso mines, actually gave me stage 18 liver cancer

[onyx adder]

Yea i guess, how is it getting poison immune btw

I cant see im on mobile

[cobalt blade]

Unseen hand

[spice pecan]

if its running triple ring, it's poison immune

[cobalt blade]

+1 ring util flasks disabled unaffected by poison

[mental nymph]

[frigid wedge]

i wonder if my ele has the availability to drop towering threat on every medium for assert dominance

[split maple]

idk his showcase doesnt look all that stressful from life globe standpoint

[onyx adder]

Ah yea ok

[split maple]

tho prolly he skiped the parts with portals

[cobalt blade]

but also its honestly fine for mapping if you have block for not getting killed by a bunch of hits to let it reset which yknow its glad

[spice pecan]

the issue is that dots prevent disso resets

[cobalt blade]

and your mitigating dots to the best of your ability which i cant see the bleed mitigation but i assume it has it

[onyx adder]

I hate not being able to click maven ever

[onyx adder]

Yee it does

10 tattoo

[cobalt blade]

yes but you mitigate them to the best of your ability

Theres very little dot you cant mitigate

[cobalt blade]

Ah fair

[normal hedge]

lightning dot

[spice pecan]

mana donut about to have a kool-aid man moment

OH YEAH

[cobalt blade]

unlike wardloop you dont die instantly to it lol

[split maple]

is there any dot that isnt donut or regexable or mitigable

[spice pecan]

there's like a deli cold ground dot i think

you see it often in simu but rarely in deli maps

i know this because it's like the one thing that makes my glad lose life

[onyx adder]

There is

[split maple]

glaciator's Periodically, apparition throws a spear which explodes creating frozen ground,
applies cold damage over time

[cobalt blade]

that triggers from a unique mob deli effect though

so its mitigated by having damage

they cant trigger if you kill them lol

[spice pecan]

having damage is irrespective

they will throw the cold dot on the ground even if you are out of reach of killing them

[frigid wedge]

goat fire?

[cobalt blade]

burning ground iirc

[frigid wedge]

oh i swear it was diff

theres also boiling blood

from uhm

crimson township?

[spice pecan]

crimson township boss has a unique dot effect iirc yea

[frigid wedge]

but also, needing every ground dot on regex is cringe

[cobalt blade]

its not boiling blood for crimson township but ye

[onyx adder]

Yea theres a bunch of stuff that makes disso rly sad

[frigid wedge]

doesnt the dude in defiled cathedral also have a unique dot

[onyx adder]

And yes u can just never run it

[cobalt blade]

Hes cb iirc

[onyx adder]

Bjt like

[onyx adder]

He is not

[spice pecan]

i think the beams are just phys dot + cb

but i could be wrong

[cobalt blade]

im fairly sure i remember him inflicting cb

[onyx adder]

He is his own unique phys dot

[onyx adder]

Mandela effect

[cobalt blade]

Ah it might be both then

[onyx adder]

Everyone does this

[frigid wedge]

i feel like when u gave max dps potential of 1.2b tho most things that can dot u just wont be there

[onyx adder]

He's never had cb

[split maple]

defiled is https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Heretical_Flare

[spice pecan]

depends entirely on your coverage

[onyx adder]

Anyway fuckin maven

[frigid wedge]

seems to be the whole screen

[onyx adder]

Has a 2 dps dot

[split maple]

"Heretical Flare is in fact coded as a minion."

[spice pecan]

a mob on the edge of your screen could throw the cold dot spear into the ground, and you dont have the coverage to kill them on spawn

[onyx adder]

That u cant do anything about except buff expiry

[spice pecan]

so now you just die

[cobalt blade]

why is this coded as a minion what the fuck

[split maple]

InvisibleIonKitavaCannonWickerman

[onyx adder]

And u cant kill the mob

[spice pecan]

as a disso build

gg

[onyx adder]

Because its maven

Its tilt

[cobalt blade]

you still have 20k life with max res

[frigid wedge]

i mean he has enough cast speed to just hold frostblink and never deal with ground effects for more than 2 ticks

[spice pecan]

i mean sure we're getting into extreme conditionals at that point

what if he was juggling plates on a tuesday during a thunderstorm

[split maple]

so in short not bait with regex and sane playstyle

[cobalt blade]

like its alot worse with sub 10k life for sure but not past 15k+ life similar to ES builds that run es leech only and not instant dying to dots

[spice pecan]

etc

[spice pecan]

bait purely because of items. being a disso build is a separate convo which is currently happening

[split maple]

sebk pob is spendy, other news at 11

[spice pecan]

it's not spendy

it's fucking bait lol

[cobalt blade]

i think once your mitigating every dot you possibly can and 15k+ life disso is fully playable

[spice pecan]

if you take one unique out of that pob besides adorned that pob doesn't function

lol

[frigid wedge]

it has a 6 mirror belt and its not exactly being presented as a build guide

[cobalt blade]

like your not getting instanted by dots you presumably have the investment to get block by then

[split maple]

how does that make it bait

[spice pecan]

???????????

[split maple]

like i dont see leaguestarter or cheap written anywhere

[spice pecan]

bro

[livid quarry]

i baited u all

[spice pecan]

then it's not a GUIDE

[split maple]

its just optimized pob

[cobalt blade]

Taking out the ktouch

[spice pecan]

it's a build showcase

[cobalt blade]

It can be multi mirror and a guide

[frigid wedge]

its not being advertised as a guide

[cobalt blade]

theres people who mirror entire builds and spend mirrors on every unique lmao

[frigid wedge]

its being advertised as him showing off the second build hes made this league

[normal hedge]

i dont see the issue of a guide for a 20 mirror build

[cobalt blade]

Its would be a silly guide but a guide nonetheless

[onyx adder]

One does presume that if theres a regular saying they will copy a 20 mirror build, then their intent is to copy the 20 mirror build

[spice pecan]

wait, i thought it was a build guide for it?

[frigid wedge]

no

[spice pecan]

is it really just a showcase?

[frigid wedge]

its just a video

[split maple]

yes

[frigid wedge]

seb doesn't rlly do guides

[spice pecan]

ok so should i stream putting my foot in my mouth

[cobalt blade]

https://youtu.be/tUWWWmK0GhI

not worded as a guide

[spice pecan]

or is saying that i did it enough for you

[frigid wedge]

he does progress updates and showcases where he tells u what it's actually doing

[cobalt blade]

tho i do think that rly doesnt matter if it was

[frigid wedge]

its not a guide its just an explanation of how it works

[spice pecan]

right, but posting pobs like he did is just absolutely insane

[normal hedge]

if it was a guide would be: first you farm boxes for a month, then you'll have 20 mirrors then you craft everything you need

[livid quarry]

can i ask why u think ur husband might be gay

[split maple]

huh

[frigid wedge]

because theyre both men

[livid quarry]

omg..

[onyx adder]

Na it matters if it was a guide, but if its esm following the build and he messes it up then theres no difference because it's his own fault

[spice pecan]

real

[onyx adder]

The problem with guides like that is ppl take em and substitute sugar with salt

And then complain their cake doesnt work

[final owl]

if you are a particularly stupid fish, almost anything can be bait.

[cobalt blade]

i mean yeah but thats a fucking skill issue not the problem with making a guide

people do that with league starters too

[spice pecan]

literally the reason that leaguestart armor stacker guides dont exist

[split maple]

why are now my skill issues a topic

[onyx adder]

Well if theres 300 different places u can mess up

Instead of 3

Then thats bait

For guides

[spice pecan]

do you prefer being medium rare, or well done

[cobalt blade]

embrace very rare

[onyx adder]

Same reason jung annoys me despite his pobs arent strictly speaking bait usually

[cobalt blade]

blood good

[normal hedge]

embrace raw

[split maple]

raw is good

[cobalt blade]

just eat the whole cow

[onyx adder]

Its because he generates stupid questions

[normal hedge]

raw chickem

[frigid wedge]

even the armourstacker guy, when showing off his starter says: "just play something else until u can afford mageblood setup, im starting this because i know what im doing and i love this archetype"

[normal hedge]

😋

[spice pecan]

have you heard of nyquil chicken

[normal hedge]

not really

[spice pecan]

sucks to be you then

[cobalt blade]

i find them funny since it showcases how bad people are at both listening and reading the guide

(tho he rarely makes true guides)

mostly just outlines for people who know what their doing

[frigid wedge]

yeah jung builds are things you make mod for mod or dont play

[normal hedge]

why people are cooking chicken with that

💀

[spice pecan]

this is literally the reason i decided to go into ssf armor stacker; i've played it before, i know what i'm doing. it still sucks turbodick for a good while, but it's manageable

[onyx adder]

Its only funny because u havent been here for 10 years lul

[spice pecan]

im not a tiktok brainrotted individual so idk

[onyx adder]

Or at least 4ish which is when jung became popular

[livid quarry]

10 years in a discord server...

[cobalt blade]

i started in scourge :p

[frigid wedge]

i think the other thing is u can make shield crush as without half the usual armoustacker gear

[livid quarry]

i gotta think bout my future

[onyx adder]

Going no guys u cant use a different weapon for double coc

Yes attack speed matters

[onyx adder]

No u cant change ascendancies to raider because u like the art

💀

[cobalt blade]

so like just about 5 years ago

[normal hedge]

was it a good league?

[spice pecan]

unsure as i've never played shield crush, i am not aware of the tradeoffs between a shield attack build vs smite/LS/MS

[cobalt blade]

but also ive always found it funny as fuck how bad people are at following guides regardless of the game so the actual dates do not matter :p

[cobalt blade]

yuhh

[spice pecan]

in ssf specficially tho it is going to be exponentially harder to get a proper shield for a shield attack armor stacker

[frigid wedge]

shield crush uses less auras and most of ur dps is from banner and pride with fort stacks

[spice pecan]

versus just getting replica dreamfeather and playing smite

[cobalt blade]

i played a self made animate weapon as my build that league and did all content at the time well having no clue what the fuck i was doing so it went fairly well

[spice pecan]

yeah no thanks i'm not trying to play a 3 button endgame build

[frigid wedge]

the shield crush doesn't require voices or the smalls or any of the big reservation pieces

[spice pecan]

don't care, i'm not pressing 2 buttons to drop banners before i press a third button to deal damage, and then repeat the process on the next pack

[frigid wedge]

what third button

its phys

[spice pecan]

the main skill?

[frigid wedge]

banner, main and what

theres no smite

[spice pecan]

dread banner, defiance banner, then main skill

it's 3 buttons

[frigid wedge]

nop

just war banner

[cobalt blade]

largest tradeoff is losing second sword but this league people are going block shield anyway so less of an impact but you do lose the DR from that if you want damage since emperors shield

[spice pecan]

[cobalt blade]

Oh and you lose tincture

[normal hedge]

i kinda wanna try the gc lacerate of butchering build for science but i cba about banner slop

[cobalt blade]

since your shield isnt a weapon lol

[spice pecan]

largest tradeoff is fucking resistances lmao

and max res from shield explicit

[frigid wedge]

shield crush is the most ssf viable version of armourstacker imo rn

[cobalt blade]

you can get the max res back on jewels its fine

[spice pecan]

i verily disagree

as someone who plays as ssf

[split maple]

Do you have fire overcap chest yet

[cobalt blade]

i think the most viable one is champion smite

[spice pecan]

i think it may have a better early progression but i think it's worse into red maps

[spice pecan]

crafting my alternate chest for LS rn

so not at the moment

[cobalt blade]

and just playing double sword because of how awful the damage is with ssf armour amounts

[spice pecan]

need LS chest to do unstables to farm rings

thanks ggg

[astral brook]

hm breach maps should i be doing per hour

[normal hedge]

what is that

[cobalt blade]

based ring

[astral brook]

i do 10 rn because i only open 1 at a time

[cobalt blade]

are they veridis veil

[spice pecan]

double sword is great if you can fit resistances

[frigid wedge]

sent image instead of link

xD

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/livejamie-0512/livejamie_deadlocked?i=11&search=name%3Dlivejamie

[spice pecan]

but I cannot

[cobalt blade]

Ye that's fair

[spice pecan]

another jamie build linked

incredible

[ivory leaf]

[frigid wedge]

its the same one

[cobalt blade]

i would spend a bit more time on my starter prob to go right into double sword but it does depend on how badly you wanna get off starter

[spice pecan]

no i know but it's funny lmoa

[astral brook]

soo?

[split maple]

depends on lag mhmd

[frigid wedge]

its the same person linking the same char during a discussion about the same build

[split maple]

and like if you doing cascade or no

deli or no

[cobalt blade]

definitely viable to get your resistances fixed well doing heist or worst case saying fuck it and doing alira lol

[split maple]

and if you have ok build

[astral brook]

none

[cobalt blade]

/not swapping off alira from league starting with it

[astral brook]

im doing budget breach , i lost profit with juiced

[ivory leaf]

I Run RF and with all scarabs need 🤔 around 2 min for a 4 unstable breach map so aim for 30 a hour?

[astral brook]

thats triple what i do🙏

[cobalt blade]

The problem is your missing seething fury+vigilance for a much longer time than you'd be missing double sword for damage

[normal hedge]

it takes you 6 minutes per map?

[astral brook]

i open 1 at a time maybe thats why

[ivory leaf]

what build u play ?

[astral brook]

mamba

[frigid wedge]

this league u can run 1 map with operative boxes and drop 3 seething

[cobalt blade]

and without both of those things it is kinda just worse than playing smite

[split maple]

foulborn vigilance is prolly the annoying part

[frigid wedge]

u can always use a rare kita shield for a bit anyway

its worse yes

but u can use one

[cobalt blade]

wiiith containment which you have to get a decently filled out atlas drop one and do that well farming heist for your sword

[frigid wedge]

and its better than needing fire overcap shit

[cobalt blade]

You dont need that though

you obviously want it but it's far from necessary

and you can get your damage comfortable enough to farm the overcap hat from breach

[frigid wedge]

i still think in terms of feeling good its far more available than the normal armourstacker

[astral brook]

god i hate summer

42C here im fkn boiling

[normal hedge]

just buy another house in another country

its 9ºC rn here

[livid quarry]

no AC?

[astral brook]

i accidentaly broke it yesterday🙏

[frigid wedge]

come to the uk, where none of us have any resilience for heat but we also have no ac

[cobalt blade]

rly don't agree x3 also actually isnt shield crush really painful without aoe

[frigid wedge]

[cobalt blade]

which jamie is getting by stealing impact

vs smite solving said aoe by pathing aura nodes

[astral brook]

no i hate the uk

[frigid wedge]

maybe i make 5 of these

[astral brook]

probably better than egypt tho half the countrys a desert

[cobalt blade]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-cat-pat-pat-gif-25250101

[frigid wedge]

mrow

[cobalt blade]

:3

meow

[frigid wedge]

mrrp

[cobalt blade]

i dissapear into eep now ^^

[frigid wedge]

9 am is not a healthy bedtime xD

[cobalt blade]

:33333

[frigid wedge]

u eep for like 3h half the time

https://cdn.nekotina.com/images/M3VvvcA-.gif

i love my build sm sometimes

[proud shale]

🗣️

[frigid wedge]

some of them are trying so hard and my 0 trap investment character with 2 dead supports still tops out

[tacit crow]

yo

[mental nymph]

Hi

[proud shale]

Hey king

[frigid wedge]

hello you 2

[frigid wedge]

any sales?

[frigid wedge]

any belt?

[mental nymph]

Nope lol

I did fix the implicits

[heady cliff]

reflective window film?

[astral brook]

a what

[proud shale]

i'm ready to game

[tacit crow]

indeed

still got 2 mirrors in the stash too

not bad

[heady cliff]

a thin roll of coating that makes your glass reflective (like on some skyscrapers), and reduce sunlight energy going in your room by several times

[frigid wedge]

u should pass me ur old accel

:3

[tacit crow]

i put it on trade last night

[frigid wedge]

need one for lab run zoomies

[tacit crow]

it may be sold

[frigid wedge]

sadge

[tacit crow]

also its only 150d you got it sans

[heady cliff]

so you get colder room for free* (technically for a price of a tiny bit hotter outside, but who cares)

[astral brook]

wait that looks very good

il check hm

[tacit crow]

just checked it did sell

[frigid wedge]

u underestimate how useless i am

[astral brook]

one way window film?

[tacit crow]

you overestimate how hard currency is to make

[heady cliff]

also called that, i think

[tacit crow]

hop in a 50d an hour strat, - investment, 4 hours of play time

you have a belt

[frigid wedge]

yeah u gotta find one first

[heady cliff]

most useful if your room is under direct sunlight for significant amount of time

[livid quarry]

harvest is good again

yellow selling at 2700 for 1d

[tacit crow]

strongboxes, harvest, nightmare frag farm

etc etc

i think you might be lazy

[astral brook]

its like 4 bucks im buying a bunch

[frigid wedge]

im slow*

[tacit crow]

by choice

[frigid wedge]

not really

[livid quarry]

i can lend u 160d

[tacit crow]

ive seen you craft, you CAN speed

[frigid wedge]

im just tired as fuck

[tacit crow]

just lock in a little

[tacit crow]

crack open a monster

[frigid wedge]

reminder that this build uses average 3 portals per map

[tacit crow]

then sell the gear and pivot

i see your flaw

[astral brook]

anyways

[frigid wedge]

neh

[astral brook]

anyone got a good lifestack bv guide?

[mental nymph]

She likes her current build

[tacit crow]

then youre self inflicted money/time burning sans im afraid

i mean

boxes are cheap and hell to run and minimum for 30d an hour

[astral brook]

i checked jungroans bv

10 mirr

[frigid wedge]

ive run boxes, that shit was not 30d hourly

[tacit crow]

i was averaging 45d an hour

[frigid wedge]

ur build has accel shrine

[astral brook]

what the fuck i made 10

[frigid wedge]

and 150 shrine effect

[tacit crow]

no no this was before that

last spark build

was crit belt caster mastery

[frigid wedge]

ur literally using normal league heist runner speed for it

[tacit crow]

my last build was like 700d

and had no accel or anything crazy

[mental nymph]

700d

[frigid wedge]

what pisses me off is that im significantly more efficient sat in a call so i have to go fuckin find Milos so i can farm properly

😭

[mental nymph]

Lemme guess

[tacit crow]

want me to sit in a call and force you to farm

or what

[mental nymph]

You have a lack of motivation

[frigid wedge]

you all give me a headache

[tacit crow]

just pummel you with rolled maps and scarabs

[mental nymph]

Burned out ?

[tacit crow]

you ALL?

sans thats not nice

we havent spoke in a while

[drowsy eagle]

all but me right

[tacit crow]

yes lotte all but you

[frigid wedge]

you being in a call means 7 other people being in that call

[split palm]

Hi Sans

[frigid wedge]

hi shika

[tacit crow]

what can i say to counter this

[livid quarry]

didnt shika give sans tons of stuff

[frigid wedge]

the only person that joins when im with milos is medusa to check we're behaving

[tall pine]

hello

[tacit crow]

milos got hacked yesterday no?

his discord

[mental nymph]

Yup

[frigid wedge]

yeah but he has a new account

[tall pine]

whats the best layout to cover most of the map in mirage?

[frigid wedge]

haunted mansion

[tacit crow]

sans what did shika give you

im curious

[frigid wedge]

u get 2/3 to 3/4

[tall pine]

it wasnt going good for me

ah i see

[tacit crow]

statistically the best tho

[frigid wedge]

divs ive used for tryna make vls workable and then some rares i havent sold

setting vls to the side for now

to try heist/lab/beasts

on champ

[mental nymph]

Good idea

[frigid wedge]

gotta level it first tho

[split palm]

my old rare gear (gloves, boots, helmet) and a bunch of divs

[mental nymph]

Champ ?what build ?

[frigid wedge]

the one with silly movement speed

[mental nymph]

Glhf

[frigid wedge]

im just gonna slam a minion pact divine retrib/blade vortex (bv only for beasts bc its cringe) on an offhand annihilating light

my real issue is that i just... dont sell shit

like

[heady cliff]

caveats: anti-privacy at night, installing on inside of the window is less effective, warms your windows (especially if installed on the inside)

[mental nymph]

Its hard to sell shit this late trust me

I had to undersell flicker gloves with T1 life yesterday

Do I regret it ?

[frigid wedge]

that bow is fractured arrows, that manastorm is a 61, that ek is like 10d, most of the liches are overqual, half the manifolds arent fraxtured

those gloves are multilink proj

[livid quarry]

how much did u sell for

[frigid wedge]

dusk rings are like 10d

[mental nymph]

70

[frigid wedge]

bought most of the megalos for over a div

[livid quarry]

neat

[mental nymph]

I also gave away a +2 minion helm which was worth around 30d

Was sitting on stash for 5d for 10 days

[frigid wedge]

i should make these into frenzy gloves tbh

did u bother to beast lock or nah

[mental nymph]

Nah