1┃general

[somber sundial]

The build is strong but it’s not like, godlike, it’s just a f1 car build tbh

[spice pecan]

maybe lab is the answer

[somber sundial]

I did a lot of lab with it

It’s super fun

[frigid wedge]

show?

[somber sundial]

I’ve done so much lab with it, I know lab better than my friend who has played for 12 years

[frigid wedge]

also

[somber sundial]

Uhhhh

[frigid wedge]

i gotta make my lab runner this league

[somber sundial]

I don’t think I have any recordings but I could make one Ig

[frigid wedge]

i need to

[somber sundial]

Do it

Is ez

https://youtu.be/EG8Wl7rHHto?si=WzA8gh6bpwOIYKD1

Here’s when rage gave movement speed

I’d prob have 1000 ms if rage still gave movement speed

[frigid wedge]

need accel

[somber sundial]

Oh

[frigid wedge]

wanna pass 1k

@tranquil sedge which version of harvest u been doing, same as the dude that was dipping astros?

[somber sundial]

Accel shrine will prob make you faster than me tbh

[frigid wedge]

oh i could go faster than you WITHOUT accel pretty easily

[somber sundial]

Whar

Impossible

[frigid wedge]

very possible

[somber sundial]

I swap weapons and gain another 70%

[frigid wedge]

mm

so?

[somber sundial]

Uhh uhh

I have 1510 edps bow

[frigid wedge]

u can hit 800 without legacy shit or accel if ur running abyss adorned

[somber sundial]

True but uh

Expensive

You can get 1000 with that

My heist runner was gonna be like that but

Didn’t wanna

[frigid wedge]

on std

:3

also have a 900 pdps

[somber sundial]

Bruh

[frigid wedge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/SansShoto_-1609/standard/character/SansShotoZoomin

i forgot i had this

[frigid wedge]

self crafted btw

[somber sundial]

How… how do you have this

[frigid wedge]

wdym

the bow?

btw have u compared paradoxica to ur claw

[somber sundial]

Yeah it’s very poopy

[frigid wedge]

fair

[somber sundial]

Paradoxica no has hits cannot be evaded

And I need that

[frigid wedge]

[somber sundial]

[frigid wedge]

even with like

an accuracy per frenzy precursor?

[somber sundial]

If I did that, it’d be less damage than my current ring, even with paradoxica

[frigid wedge]

cold per frenzy max frenzy acc per frenzy tho

[somber sundial]

Like the strat I thought of, was using foulborn darkray vectors for accuracy

[frigid wedge]

mm

[somber sundial]

But build would feel like shit

[frigid wedge]

maybe

my flicker had para

but thats bc i was a cheap mf in settlers

like super chesp

[somber sundial]

Flicker I think can make it work but I’m using Arn anguish setup, and ralakesh is bis, and I can’t move my chest out

[frigid wedge]

like my 2mir blade vortex uses a 50d body

[somber sundial]

Ohhh

Holy

[frigid wedge]

actually is that triple elevated or double with a t1

[somber sundial]

Uhh

No idea

[dark kite]

FUCKING FINALLY

[somber sundial]

Idk it’s just hard to find improvements with build at this point

[frigid wedge]

douvle with t1

[somber sundial]

Ouh

[dark kite]

reforge speed hit 18% aspd and two other suffixes. i have to 50/50 an annul to try and reforge again for better suffixes. do i do it, or settle?

this took at least a dozen recomb attempts to get this far so im hesitant

[finite quail]

annul

do it.

[pulsar ice]

how is 3mod a dozen recombs? isn't it 9 on average?

[finite quail]

listen to the voices.

they want ENTERTAINMENT

[dark kite]

shit luck

fuck it. if i annul a prefix im quitting the league.

saved

[finite quail]

Good

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-pet-cat-pat-cat-petting-petting-cat-gif-88141326984537530

[dark kite]

second reforge: same tier aspd, no other mods. we go again.

third: hit movespeed, still open suff. we go again.

[dark kite]

fourth: t3 aspd instead of t4. we go again.

[frigid wedge]

doesnt the attack damage roll to 30

[dark kite]

thats elevated i think

[frigid wedge]

its a weapon

u cant

[dark kite]

then it doesnt

@tranquil sedge ITS FUCKING DONE RRRAAAGHHHH

[somber sundial]

wha

[frigid wedge]

where flat str

[tranquil umbra]

was the phys conversion just off the rip

[finite quail]

Lets goooo

[somber sundial]

The chest and watchers eye will change once I get a 11L claw

[dark kite]

yeah the conversion was a lucky added bonus

[frigid wedge]

to what

and i imagine focused/yoke is better dps

[tranquil umbra]

oh that phys convert could have been max endu reroll

[frigid wedge]

also u can definitely replace a viridian with a that which was taken

[tranquil sedge]

😮 nice

[tranquil sedge]

just yellow rush yh

[somber sundial]

New chest look like this, minus the implicits, and I’ll replace watchers eye with one that has grace suppress and grace evade hits

[tranquil sedge]

no astrolabe

[somber sundial]

Ehhh I don’t think it is

[tranquil sedge]

pob seems to be drunk

one pob

another pob

idk why

[frigid wedge]

where's fortify going

[somber sundial]

On chest implicit

The chest implicits I will change

[frigid wedge]

why no twwt

it rolls fortify

and pen

and a bunch of other shit

[somber sundial]

I might get twwt bc yes it has those, but need 11L claw setup to get additional jewel socket

[frigid wedge]

replace a viridian jewel

[somber sundial]

I could

But when I go 11L claw setup, I’m gonna be swapping out a viridian jewel with sublime

[frigid wedge]

so swap both

[tranquil sedge]

oh didnt ascend focal point

ofc

[somber sundial]

One is keeping my lightning res capped

I mean I can fix that but

Crit multi good

[dark kite]

hit 6l on that sword in about 250 jewelers 250 fus

finally some good luck

[somber sundial]

When I swap to 11L claw setup, I have to swap out, Precision, Vaal haste, skitterbots for grace, arctic armour, herald of ice, and cold snap

[frigid wedge]

also one of ur 12p clusters has HALF the attack speed it needs

[somber sundial]

Yes yes yes I know I know

I need to fix that

I actually bought that cluster and slammed it with fracture orb, and it actually hit 35%

First try

So at some point I’ll try to craft it

[tacit crow]

i'm in love

[pulsar ice]

self farmed or flipping?

[somber sundial]

That cluster is perfect except for the attack speed roll tho, when I get it perfect, it adds another 2m per node I think

[frigid wedge]

love w what

[tacit crow]

helm is a craft, nebby dropped, and crown of eyes is a good DC

[tranquil sedge]

pic of nebulis

[somber sundial]

Maybe I should profit craft

[tacit crow]

money

[somber sundial]

Jesus

[tacit crow]

that 450helm i made in 100d

:3

[tacit crow]

i will when home

but i think it was % spell, % fire, % dmg

just a raw dps rf nebby

from a VALDOS

[tranquil sedge]

i c

[tacit crow]

it is shiny

i think that now takes me to my 5 mirrors

i'll have to check

because if not it's close

[somber sundial]

Jesus

Teach me how to make money please

[pulsar ice]

step 1 make gold
step 2 make money

[somber sundial]

Seems too complicated

Guess I’ll stick to sims

[frigid wedge]

kek

[somber sundial]

Literally bought the delirium armour mtx bc im going insane

[frigid wedge]

why DO you play std

[frigid wedge]

show

[somber sundial]

Sadly no have pictures

[somber sundial]

Idk, I haven’t been motivated to play league, there’s no builds I wanna play

[tacit crow]

i can help you craft

for sure

[limpid prairie]

Choccy already on a delirium

[somber sundial]

big thank

[somber sundial]

I lost my sanity ages ago exile

[frigid wedge]

the crafting isnt the hard part

the hard part is knowing what will sell

[somber sundial]

Fuck

[frigid wedge]

:3

[somber sundial]

I just wanna make moneyyyy

[frigid wedge]

dont bestiary scarabs sell for buckets

[somber sundial]

They sell good yes

But unless it’s outright more money then doing sims and making 100div in less than 2 hours idk

[mental nymph]

Harvest

Easy

[somber sundial]

W R O N G

[frigid wedge]

probably

[mental nymph]

Gold rota

[tacit crow]

i can help

[mental nymph]

Good enough ?

[somber sundial]

Already tried harvest and it makes enough to keep doing it

[tacit crow]

i know what the high investment slammer builds are rn

[somber sundial]

Oh

[tacit crow]

ive crafted gear for about 3 builds

and profited hundreds per try

[somber sundial]

Is this in standard or league

[tacit crow]

i only play league

[somber sundial]

Oh

[mental nymph]

Yknow stuff that can currently sell?

Hello btw

[frigid wedge]

choccy the fact u have no quant gear is why nothing works for u

[tacit crow]

you play standard or league?

[somber sundial]

I forgot to make a MF build before they killed it

[somber sundial]

Standard

[tacit crow]

rip

enjoy 0 sales

[frigid wedge]

u can pick up quant now tho

[somber sundial]

My friend has a mf build

[tacit crow]

unless mirror tier

[mental nymph]

Kafka

[tacit crow]

or legacy

[mental nymph]

Give me a recipe

[tacit crow]

yes drake

i can give you a step by step on a craft

[mental nymph]

A craft that sells

[somber sundial]

Yeah that’s why I farm sims bc voices is the only thing worth anything

[mental nymph]

Sure

[tacit crow]

how much do you have to invest

[mental nymph]

Uh so far 29 divs

[frigid wedge]

rf jewels

[grizzled lily]

arent beasts really good on std?

[frigid wedge]

yes

[somber sundial]

Harvest doesn’t make more than sims and you’ll have to show me a strat that isn’t bait to change my mind

[grizzled lily]

like even better than simus or smth

[frigid wedge]

you need quant

[tacit crow]

mmmm thats doable

[mental nymph]

What mods ?

[somber sundial]

My maps have like 200% inc quant

[mental nymph]

Don't tell me synth based

[somber sundial]

To start

[modest sparrow]

[somber sundial]

Most I got out of one map was 4000 juice

Yellow juice

[frigid wedge]

reforge life until any ele dot multi or generic, life and 1 or 2 other decent mods

[mental nymph]

Anything else

[somber sundial]

It makes enough to pay for itself and that’s it, I play sims

[frigid wedge]

ur competition is people with 200 quant on their GEAR

[somber sundial]

And this is why I hate atlas strats

[frigid wedge]

so

get quant

[somber sundial]

That would require a new build

[frigid wedge]

u have a bow char

[spice pecan]

yeah, playing standard in any serious fashion without quant on gear

is like

Not Good

[mental nymph]

Ah bows is a thing

[somber sundial]

It would be easier to just make a mf character

[frigid wedge]

i will literally give u my Phys bow choccy

[mental nymph]

But I don't want an item to be sitting in my inv

[somber sundial]

[spice pecan]

get quant first

[somber sundial]

Buh

[frigid wedge]

if u make a quant char

[spice pecan]

don't even think about making an mf character until you have good quant on gear tbh

would be my thought

[somber sundial]

Doesn’t making a quant character cost like

Mirrors

[frigid wedge]

u can get it started

[spice pecan]

item quant support is pretty cheap

that's a good start

[frigid wedge]

with cheap stuff

[spice pecan]

legacy ventors, etc are also not expensive

[somber sundial]

You think I’m stupid or something

[spice pecan]

divination distillate

[frigid wedge]

non maxrolled legacy quant stuff is pretty cheap

[mental nymph]

What's meta now ?

[spice pecan]

respectfully, you're choosing to play endgame standard

so uh

[mental nymph]

Aside from rf

[somber sundial]

150div per item isn’t cheap

[spice pecan]

not stupid, but choosing an interesting path

150d in standard IS cheap lol

[tacit crow]

ready?

[frigid wedge]

make a deadeye with master surgeon, divi distill, goldworm, ventors, that one body

[mental nymph]

Go on

[frigid wedge]

and buy onez with ok rolls

with headhunter

[somber sundial]

“Yeah item quant is pretty cheap”

[frigid wedge]

how much are vultures rn

[mental nymph]

4d

About higher

[spice pecan]

may have spiked due to the jenebu ban, like a lot of things in std did

[frigid wedge]

on std

[somber sundial]

I can’t start a MF character then make a mf character

Like

[spice pecan]

last I checked they were maybe 200d max for a corr 20/20

[copper vale]

how is std faustus economy

[somber sundial]

Again, unless I’m making 200div in like 10 maps, I’m not bothering

[tacit crow]

buy a pair of ilvl 84+ highest base ward boots
roll int essense till 58 roll
remove mods till only 4 on item
fracture (if you miss restart)

roll defence at bench with ex and annuls and go for double t1 ward and % ward
open prefix? craft pref cant be changed and veiled chaos
if veiled hits prefix unveil for onslaught

eldritched finish suffixes with t1 res suffix (chaos is nice)
quality and sell

you can check price of finished craft if you want

its 450 ward with onslaught and 58 int

[frigid wedge]

farming scarabs

[tacit crow]

lmk what you see

[somber sundial]

I tried 2 harvest strats, one was a bait strat that needs mirage to be worth it, so I lost like 100div in profits, and other was giga that made like, 5div profit

[frigid wedge]

choccy if i give you vultures and a phys bow will you make a quant build

[spice pecan]

also just to make it clear

[somber sundial]

[spice pecan]

making currency in standard is stupidly hard

[somber sundial]

Yes

[spice pecan]

i have seen vultures on the market for multiple days

[somber sundial]

I mean

[spice pecan]

and ppl actually USE those

[somber sundial]

My ice shot build needs phys bow

And I have the chest for it

[frigid wedge]

show the ice shot

[spice pecan]

the best way to make currency in std is literally flipping legacy items and waiting

[frigid wedge]

which chest

[dark kite]

has anyone here gotten a lycia carry before? how does it work?

[somber sundial]

Uhhh it’s purely concept build rn, it’s planned but not started

[limpid prairie]

Lycia? The sanctum girl?

[spice pecan]

I've provided them in tyty PL. You get into the party, enter sanctum together, the host will have cleared up to the start of the lycia room. You will both enter the lycia room, you will wait in grace as the host kills phase 1, then you will both run to phase 2. You will wait before the bridge (right before where the boss is) while host kills phase 2. You will then wait for host to kill final phase, you do not have to enter the beyond portal

[dark kite]

i see, thank you

[spice pecan]

The key thing to keep in mind is that you will have to dodge red smoke after phase 1, as well as fireball traps before phase 2

[dark kite]

now i just need to actually make the currency to buy the carry

[somber sundial]

@frigid wedge

[tacit crow]

@mental nymph lmk how it goes

[somber sundial]

I need to finish the prefixes

[mental nymph]

When I get home ,dw

[dark kite]

sanctum is up there with delve for "content i simply dont do"

[spice pecan]

I really love sanctum

it just sucks that it's been pointless because of fucking redditors who die on floor 1 and then watch the sushi 8mirr dupe clip

and start crying and shitting themselves

reddits don't even know about the actually unethical part of sanctum which is relic sharing lmao

[tranquil sedge]

did you buy this?

[somber sundial]

Not like that no, I bought it for like

2div lol

[tranquil sedge]

why grasping mail

and not any other base transfer

[somber sundial]

That’s beyond my Ken and nerves to do recombs

[tranquil sedge]

this mod is cheap ._.

and also

[somber sundial]

Not fractured it aimt

[tranquil sedge]

open coe and look at grasping mail prefix weights

the %increased mod is ok

and %hybrid is ok

but the flat hybrid+hybrid are dogshit

crafting 2 or 3x defence prefix on mail where at least one of them is flat hybrid, is absolutely horrible

[limpid prairie]

feel you but carry is expensive and ascensency is good so...

[tranquil sedge]

i meant

the mod itself

is cheap

to self transfer

then self fracture

[somber sundial]

The mods on chest are gonna be

Suppress
1% inc attack speed per dex
Flat dex
Max life
% max life
Avoid elemental ailments

[tranquil sedge]

in exchange for the effort, you get a way better base

i c

[somber sundial]

But does that involve frustration

[tranquil sedge]

ok those prefixes are fine to craft on mail

since its just life

[somber sundial]

Yes

I no need to transfer the mod

[limpid prairie]

isnt avoid a prefix?

[frigid wedge]

:/

[somber sundial]

[tranquil sedge]

yea unveil avoid and bench %life i imagine?

and eldritch for life first

[somber sundial]

Disappointment, detected

[tranquil sedge]

so money will be consumed in the veiled exalts

[somber sundial]

Yes

[frigid wedge]

also x3

[somber sundial]

This quant character seems scary

[tranquil sedge]

ffs i didnt realize i do a tiiiiny teeeeny bit of phys damage

and that's enough to KO me

[somber sundial]

I also need goldwyrms

[tranquil sedge]

triggering

25-65 phys from weapon base stat enough to clap me

[somber sundial]

Rip

How fix

[tranquil sedge]

dunno

i went to so much effort to get elemental reflect immunity too

4x shaper bound by destiny

[karmic gust]

just 1 mod on rring + pantheon and done no

solves both at once

[tranquil sedge]

yes

except i went out of my way specifically to avoid doing that

recombed a shaper ring, made my own influenced fractal thoughts, bought a pricey influenced garukhans

and now that seems to have been for nothing if i can't find a fix

[karmic gust]

well surely there are other useful shaper bound by destiny mods at least :d

[tranquil sedge]

@split maple halp ._.

[somber sundial]

!!!

I’m assuming for a MF build I need to go with like

Not ice shot

I don’t think dex stacking with this mf build will work

[limpid prairie]

void manipulation

[frigid wedge]

can but id recommend u run smth phys convert

popular choice is cold convert tshot

[somber sundial]

I mean ice shot has phys convert but TS sounds cooler

[frigid wedge]

dex stack doesn't run convert

its just flat per Dex

[somber sundial]

Oh

TS it is then for a MF

Or LA

[tacit crow]

ts best skill in game

when investment is > 5 mirrors

[somber sundial]

[frigid wedge]

quant monkey with a good phys bow and hh can run fine

[somber sundial]

If a build needs more than 2 mirrors to be good it’s beyond my powers

[frigid wedge]

wont be once u start mfing

[somber sundial]

I hope so

[tacit crow]

ts

WE love ts

[frigid wedge]

u can try scarab farming for beast scarabs then

which i think u can run rn anyway

[somber sundial]

! I’m willing to try it

[frigid wedge]

considering nemesis is cheap af and the whole farm is easy with hh

[somber sundial]

HH makes any farm easy tbf, esp with phys convert builds

[frigid wedge]

i think i have like multiple tens of thousands of scarabs in std rn

[somber sundial]

Holy carp

You are infinite money bags

[frigid wedge]

ah yes

[somber sundial]

Money bags from Spyro

[frigid wedge]

this tab

[somber sundial]

that’s a 1p isn’t it

[frigid wedge]

5

[somber sundial]

Oh

[frigid wedge]

theres a lotta 5 and 7p in my stash

[somber sundial]

Same

[frigid wedge]

#2┃general

[somber sundial]

What the Div cards

[frigid wedge]

btw i have a bunch of synth bases

[frigid wedge]

if they're still in the stash they arent worth selling

[somber sundial]

Holy money

[somber sundial]

Oh

That make sense

[frigid wedge]

oh right i was mass vendor selling so i could test lwarp

[somber sundial]

Lightning warp

[somber sundial]

Mjölnir build

[frigid wedge]

lwarp tshot

[somber sundial]

Holy money shot

[somber sundial]

Woah that sounds funky

[frigid wedge]

mythik has asked me to revisit it in league

i might

[frigid wedge]

are they?

i have a few i haven't rolled

quite a few acc

u were sayin ur ehots couldnt go faster unless adorned

[somber sundial]

They ain’t cheap I know that

[frigid wedge]

so maybe u go adorned

[somber sundial]

Yeah, well my idea with that isn’t very good

[frigid wedge]

u need craicics

for it tho

[somber sundial]

They’d function better on a heist runner that can have 3 voices

[frigid wedge]

u can use that heist runner for same shit as the ehots

toxic rain isnt difficult to do

[somber sundial]

Not exactly, the build is like, universes different, the tree is like

Hold on

[dark kite]

yo @tranquil sedge wanna take a look at my current pob? my next move is to get lycia carry but after that im not sure

[somber sundial]

Oh my heist runner isn’t on Poe ninja

Rip

[frigid wedge]

u do know adorned tr is universes different to non adorned tr

yeah?

[somber sundial]

Yeeeah obv

It’s just that the ehots build wouldn’t be able to fit all the gems

[tranquil sedge]

about to log for dinner but i can peek after a bit if u send it

[frigid wedge]

u respec to tr

[somber sundial]

But I don’t wannnnanaaaaa

[dark kite]

sure thing, here you go https://pobb.in/NuQkmNLSFCPP

no rush

[frigid wedge]

it runs beasts lab low tier essenced all fine

[somber sundial]

If I was to do it, I’d just make another character

[frigid wedge]

the lack of dps config pains me

[frigid wedge]

go on then:3

[dark kite]

i always assume other people know how to config better than i do

[somber sundial]

It take too lonnnbfgggg

[dark kite]

i dont wanna accidentally inflate my numbers

[somber sundial]

I have to farm sim to make money and pay friend back

So much to do

[frigid wedge]

iirc zenith u select zenith hit, set count for around half ur number of proj based on ur proj speed and then add 70% less dmg custom config

[frigid wedge]

kek

[somber sundial]

[dark kite]

i dont really care tbh

the dps is Yes

[frigid wedge]

grab a divi

distill

choccy

[somber sundial]

[frigid wedge]

cute

[somber sundial]

But the mf character won’t even like

Guhhhhh

[frigid wedge]

wont what

[somber sundial]

Will it even make more then sims

Sims is like big money injection and everything else is slow steady flow of money

[frigid wedge]

low investment? probably not, the nice thing with an mf build is u feel the loot increasing

as u invest

[somber sundial]

Oh

[frigid wedge]

but also, u can actually run other content then

[astral brook]

whats the best scion builds rn

[frigid wedge]

with some success

[dark kite]

im also wondering if theres a secondary skill i can get in a 4l that would be better than msoz for clearing

[somber sundial]

I mean I guess I can try to make one but my brain keeps thinking it will only make strats just barely profitable

[frigid wedge]

clarify best

[frigid wedge]

lsoa

[somber sundial]

Like unless I’m making a mirror in a week, which I don’t see being possible like

[dark kite]

hmm, what would i want for an imbue on that?

[somber sundial]

Guhhh idk

[frigid wedge]

u also gotta find the right strat

[frigid wedge]

faster proj/chain?

[somber sundial]

But they killed them all

[astral brook]

wait i thought you mean clarify as a skill lol

[frigid wedge]

not really

[frigid wedge]

im asking you to clarify

[astral brook]

idk just a good mapper that not too expensive

[somber sundial]

I mean, still I’ll try it at some point, farming beast scarabs

[covert swan]

Please answer these questions so we can help suggest a build for you:

• What are you looking for, and what content do you want to do with it?
• What sort of build do you usually enjoy, and what have you played recently?
• What is a must-have in a build for you?
• Is there any deal-breakers in a build for you (pressing a flask/indigon etc)?
• What sort of budget do you have?

[sleek barn]

BAH

when was this a command

[frigid wedge]

i got it added yesterday

[sleek barn]

doesn't mention playstyle

is it aimed towards new players?

[frigid wedge]

comes under umbrella of the first 2

[sleek barn]

oh thats true

[frigid wedge]

what you usually enjoy generally categorises what you like to be playing
what ur looking for is chance to suggest playstyle

[sleek barn]

whats the !

command

[frigid wedge]

buildcriteria

[frigid wedge]

@astral brook

[astral brook]

how is that accurate at all

[frigid wedge]

i just get uncomfortable suggesting ppl builds they might blindly start building without seeing if its smth u like

[frigid wedge]

gives a general idea of what can be suggested

[sleek barn]

i like how indigon is mentioned specifically

[frigid wedge]

ive met too many ppl that hear indigon and stop listening bc the up down mana playstyle feels jank

which is fair

[sleek barn]

i feel like dissolution can be in the same boat

[frigid wedge]

yeah its just examples

[sleek barn]

but either way its good to have an example

poor indigon

i forgot the input channel exists whoops

[tranquil umbra]

indigone

[frigid wedge]

master surgeon, minions and indigon are the 3 i usually see ppl refuse to play

[sleek barn]

plenty of people wanting "low action count" gameplay like 0 or 1 button builds

[tranquil umbra]

what if I played all 3

[frigid wedge]

also why scion

[sleek barn]

then i'd be somewhat confused

[astral brook]

asking for a friend

[somber sundial]

Dissolution of the atlas strategies

Melding of the simulacrum

Flesh the salt, wound the strip

[frigid wedge]

i was considering tryna make a pob that numerically does excellent damage and defence but uses as much anti qol as possible

[sleek barn]

someone put this guy on the flavor text

[frigid wedge]

and why are they looking for scion

[astral brook]

idk lol

[somber sundial]

Deadass I wish I could work at ggg doing like, creative development or something

[astral brook]

has a hollow palm scion leveled to 100

[frigid wedge]

scion can generally just play a ripoff of every build u would normally play that don't rely on a specific node to function

[sleek barn]

yeah i've always wanted to be the ideas guy for a game studio

too bad the ideas guy doesn't really exist

[frigid wedge]

other than armourstacker there is basically nothing scion runs better than another ascend

[sleek barn]

its more like everyone has ideas

[somber sundial]

Sad face

Ggg stole my idea

[frigid wedge]

intuitive link manastacking dervish pf LOGIN

[sleek barn]

ribbit ribbit explodes

[somber sundial]

Yes

[tranquil umbra]

link spell is the straw for me

[somber sundial]

I made my own stupid little project of items

[sleek barn]

what how

link spells are great

and require like a click every 10 seconds

its like keeping BV uptime

[frigid wedge]

scaling indigon and a minion is very limiting unless u run like, khatals srs somehow

[somber sundial]

Insert image of a mangled hand suffering from carpel tunnel

[tranquil umbra]

I try to remain as antisocial as possible so a link spell is death

[frigid wedge]

u link to the minion

[spice pecan]

you have to specify either how much max life toads have, or how they inherit their life value, since they are separate entities from the things that they spawn from. Also, what is "elemental"? resists? damage?

[sleek barn]

bro does not wish to be bonded to minions

[spice pecan]

sorry, i'm a huge stickler on syntax things

[frigid wedge]

theres
a. a mastery
and
b. a helmet

[tacit crow]

YO YO YO party people

[somber sundial]

Oh, this is useful advice, thank you, I will fix

[frigid wedge]

dervish is only here bc it has insane dr

[spice pecan]

the elemental thing at the end too could use some clarification

is it resists, damage, ailment effect, etc?

[sleek barn]

well the thing is the toads would likely be of some monster type that scales with area level

and would be on poedb

[spice pecan]

that's a good point, yeah

[sleek barn]

you see minion life on tooltip but not gem

[spice pecan]

however specifically in this league's context, toads are an established entity from the mirage mod i assume

and hextoad

[frigid wedge]

serious question: should i pob something numerically insane that is so dogshit to play that u cant warrant using it

[spice pecan]

so it's a bit of a blurry line

[spice pecan]

so a conner build?

[sleek barn]

yeah i think it'd be best to separate it from hextoad

[spice pecan]

hell yeah

[frigid wedge]

nah actively looking for anti qol

[spice pecan]

chain hook is over that way ------------------->

[sleek barn]

some discharge build that requires 50 actions before it can cast discharge

[spice pecan]

i was also just about to say

[frigid wedge]

eg. tincture + banner + no range + no flasks + stance dance + warcries

[spice pecan]

the oneshot slammer build

[spice pecan]

oh you mean like THAT

[frigid wedge]

yes

[spice pecan]

we actually stance dancing huh

that's truly diabolical

[frigid wedge]

yes

[somber sundial]

So, the system in my thingy isn’t same as poe, has some carry over but not all

[sleek barn]

good sir HawtChoccy

what is neutral damage

introducing a whole new damage type makes my head hurt

[frigid wedge]

insert impale perforate of duality champion here

[somber sundial]

Doesn’t touch ele res or special ele res

[frigid wedge]

man ur playing ur own fuckin game atp

[spice pecan]

yeah, it's just good to specify where numeric values are pulled from if the entity already exists, or to create it if it doesn't (either create the entity or specify a number)

[somber sundial]

Correct

My game has 3 forms of leech

:3

[frigid wedge]

lovely

[sleek barn]

if anything the common terminology is True damage

[spice pecan]

perforate totems at least only stance dance between clear and single target smh

[frigid wedge]

can tell u play a slayer

[somber sundial]

You right you right, I appreciate any advice to improve my work

[frigid wedge]

no one said totems

totems would let u stand away from the boss

[sleek barn]

totems are anti qol though

[spice pecan]

as a dota player, the term is actually Pure damage 🤓

[steady hearth]

Witch

[frigid wedge]

not as anti qol as perforate of duality normally

[spice pecan]

ye i know but that's literally the only stance dance build i can think of that anyone even plays lmao

[frigid wedge]

if u scale any positive aoe u lose half ur dps

[spice pecan]

ppl actually play perforate of duality??

[frigid wedge]

so u gotta be in their assholes

[frigid wedge]

it has 11 overlaps

[sleek barn]

it would be funny if you can restrict how far you can stand while using fledgling so you have to be standing a specific distance away

[spice pecan]

not-too-far shot

[frigid wedge]

oh sorry 15 overlaps

[spice pecan]

Just Right Shot

[sleek barn]

Right on the Dot Shot

[frigid wedge]

perforate of dual has ~2.3k added damage effectiveness if u get overlaps going

[somber sundial]

Leech, which works like you’d expect

Vampirism, which heals you based on damage dealt as if you didn’t touch their defences, and 50% of recovery is instant and other 50% is over time

LifeSteal, which heals based on how much HP you removed from your target, so like, they lose 5000HP, you gain 5000HP and the recovery is always instant

[tranquil umbra]

we are just stealing shit from other games

[frigid wedge]

actually with default 20 quality

[somber sundial]

Sorta

[frigid wedge]

it has 2799

[frigid wedge]

hypixel skyblock?

[somber sundial]

My game doesn’t have gems, instead it’s elements you equip, there’s two additional charge type things, Momentum, which works like a gradient crit multi and charge, which is like rage but for spells

[somber sundial]

Never heard of that

Who

[spice pecan]

I still have in a spiral notebook somewhere, a game that I was designing in like 7th grade

[tranquil umbra]

the devil

[spice pecan]

with about a hundred items and a world map and classes and shit

[somber sundial]

Woooah

[spice pecan]

i wish i could find it

[somber sundial]

That’s cool

You should find it and continue your great work

[spice pecan]

lmao i'm sure it was ass since i was like 12 or 13

[somber sundial]

[spice pecan]

but it'd be cool to look at nearly 20 years later

[somber sundial]

True

[copper vale]

how long has it been now?

[spice pecan]

I'm 31 now

so next year it could be 20 years

[copper vale]

(｡♥‿♥｡)

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-sad-fridge-no-food-gif-5296071

[magic tangle]

I have both stat equal and i am not receiving any buff from rational doctrine

[somber sundial]

This totally isn’t based on something

[tranquil umbra]

unc status

[copper vale]

being in 30 is bad enough but 31 man

https://tenor.com/view/bebezinho-little-baby-crying-sad-tearing-up-gif-15419141

[dry tree]

Strength and int aren't your highest attribute...

[spice pecan]

I feel like a lotta folks here are around 30 or older

[somber sundial]

Oh interesting

[tranquil umbra]

server full of uncs

[somber sundial]

You gave me idea

[frigid wedge]

awh god

[cosmic reef]

or just have tainted pact equipped and regen 20mil healing per second

[somber sundial]

Time to make another fuckin leech effect

[frigid wedge]

fuck sake man

[spice pecan]

please don't make poe leech

it's already way too fucking complicated

[somber sundial]

Too late

[spice pecan]

leech in this game is genuinely one of the most complicated parts of it

it's awful

[somber sundial]

I mean that’s why I have 3 different kinds lol

[cosmic reef]

do you have flask leech on hit?

[spice pecan]

learning how a core recovery mechanic functions is critical and making it as difficult as possible to learn is a choice

[abstract python]

guys is there a way to pick up loot with keybind instead of doing it with mouse? the key pickup setting just doesnt work

[somber sundial]

I literally have two original sins

[frigid wedge]

no

play on controller

[abstract python]

controller op

[spice pecan]

controller has way more looting problems

if items all drop in the same spot as a huge stack, there are some items you literally cannot pickup

[frigid wedge]

yeah but it just has click key pick up a thing

[spice pecan]

eg. in simulacrum

[stuck phoenix]

Pickup key is a button to disable picking up loot when it isn't held

[spice pecan]

also you have to rightstick to cycle thru loot but it will only cycle thru the loot that you're in range to pick up

[abstract python]

ooh

[spice pecan]

so if item labels are displaced you get turbo fucked

[abstract python]

thats kinda useless tho lol, if u have a ton of garbage on screen just use loot filter thats it

[stuck phoenix]

I'm sure there's some guy who likes it

[somber sundial]

did someone say simulacrum

[covert ferry]

They function differently? Never knew

[somber sundial]

In my game yes, in poe uhhhh

I’m not talking about Poe

[covert ferry]

Oooooh. Ok

[somber sundial]

./nuke @somber sundial

[somber sundial]

I 100% believe that all the ggg devs are 1000x smarter than me and I feel like if they actually took my ideas, it would end in massive massive failure

[frigid wedge]

[sleek barn]

there would have to be some balance involved

but you pass over your ideas to the balance team

and it becomes a team effort

[cosmic reef]

if ggg devs took my ideas it would be the best game for the next 20 years

[sleek barn]

thats why when i make games there is no balance

because i don't have a balance team

[sleek barn]

and idk how to balance shit myself

[magic tangle]

rip ok thanks

[somber sundial]

My favourite thing to do is just don’t make it balanced

[somber sundial]

Uber fucking mana stacker

[sleek barn]

true

balance for me comes from playtesting

and going

"dang this shit broken"

[somber sundial]

Well like, those two items I made, they’d be so goddamn busted

[sleek barn]

your items are very reminiscent of existing uniques

[somber sundial]

Fruit of knowledge: Mana is increased by over capped ele resistance
Omnioculus: invest into one ele res and it increases all the other ones

[somber sundial]

Yeah Poe def inspired how I word the items

[sleek barn]

Fruit of Knowledge is reminiscent of foulborn choir of the storms

omnioculus sounds like melding of the flesh, but busted

[somber sundial]

I promise that it came before Foulborn choir of the storms

Omnioculus was inspired by melding tho

[clear summit]

Does global crit multiplier apply to spells? Or strictly spell crit multiplier

[sleek barn]

i see

[tranquil umbra]

global means global

[sleek barn]

yes

[somber sundial]

And yes Omnioculus is the most op item I made on there, I mean it’s a tie between few others

But Omnioculus is really strong for mana stacker, which is the strongest build in my game

And my game has armour stackers too

Well pseudo

[sleek barn]

like conceptually or is this game playable

[clear summit]

Well when I looked it up is said global crit doesn’t affect spell damage which didn’t make since so

[somber sundial]

Conceptually

[modest sparrow]

Not me dw

[sleek barn]

where did you look it up?

or more like whats your source

[sleek barn]

can you give some love to self casters

[tranquil umbra]

my source is that I made it up

[sleek barn]

like unleash gains 100% more damage

[cosmic reef]

you're making a game? I made a game when I was 12 years old

[sleek barn]

what was the game

[tranquil umbra]

unleash gains 100% more damage but the spell cannot be cast unless at max seals

[ebon tendon]

what on earth

[sleek barn]

im actually down

but increase the percentage to 300%

[tranquil umbra]

no

[sleek barn]

man

150%

[dense rock]

gonna go hard with like 8 stacks 😄

[somber sundial]

Armour stacker items

[tranquil umbra]

deal

[somber sundial]

Also in my game

You can melt the uniques down and put a modifier from them on a rare item

[sleek barn]

noooo not ATK and DEF

[somber sundial]

Yesssss my build has stats

[sleek barn]

now we're in yugioh territory

those wings are two uniques combined

[somber sundial]

HP, ATK, DEF, Mana ATK, Mana DEF, Ranged ATK, Ranged DEF and Speed

[sleek barn]

sorry, one unique and one keystone

[somber sundial]

Are the stats

[somber sundial]

Correct

They used to be stronger

[sleek barn]

now we're in pokemon territory

[tranquil umbra]

that is literally just pokemon yeah

[somber sundial]

Yes

Well you can invest your stats how you like but pokemon was inspiration for that aspect

melding of the stolen ideas

[sleek barn]

your ATK cannot be modified by external sources is so vague

i mean i get it but like

[somber sundial]

There’s ways to make it damage hitting you, convert into other damage types

[sleek barn]

yeah i guess it could be more specific

wouldn't pass in GGG land

[somber sundial]

Well like

What I mean is that, you can make other enemies nearby ATK, effectively 0

Like uhhh

[sleek barn]

also for Raw Technique theres implementation issues, as in restricting investment into ranged or mana ATK would not apply until you put it on, meaning you can invest beforehand and still benefit

[somber sundial]

Say they try to hit you, and you take only Mana def damage, you could convert their ATK stat into Mana ATK when they damage you, or another case is you can lower their ATK value by a little, and when you pump it up stupid high, the more they lower it, the more it neuters you

[somber sundial]

The way I’d like it to work is that you can’t equip it if you have any mana ATK or ranged ATK invested at all

[sleek barn]

i see

[somber sundial]

Also, stats fill in for attribute requirements

[sleek barn]

i would implement it as a stat requirement on item tooltip

well

actually that wouldn't work bc it would be infinity

[somber sundial]

Well like you have 800k in stat points to play with

[sleek barn]

Cannot be Equipped if Ranged ATK is Non-zero

[somber sundial]

Oooo I like that wording

Mmm much better

[sleek barn]

BAH

the flavor text mentions being American

[somber sundial]

Even worse, it’s a Baki reference

[tranquil sedge]

nowadays you just select 'total weighted ball average'

no counting or anything

pob does all work for u

but yes not putting even charges or wither ;-;

[sleek barn]

dunno what that is

[somber sundial]

Anime where guys fight

[frigid wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsawman-denji-anime-bowling-bowling-ball-gif-26905694

[karmic gust]

naked and sweaty always, best anime

[tranquil sedge]

susge

[silent leaf]

every single day, this meme becomes more and more true

[somber sundial]

That quote is when an American body builder, named Biscuit Oliva, or Mr. unchained fights a Chinese underground fighter, named Ron Shobun, or as the show nick named him, Shobun the bad man

[tranquil sedge]

watch one episode

see if u enjoy

[somber sundial]

And Ron was putting his hands in his pockets and was beating Oliva

[karmic gust]

just dont start on 3rd season by accident like me and then drop the show :d

[somber sundial]

Then Oliva did it and beat Ron

[dusty mesa]

How do you even do that

[somber sundial]

POV I just watched Raitai tournament

And went from there

[dusty mesa]

I also haven’t seen the show but I read it before it became an anime lmao

[somber sundial]

It’s funny anime/manga

[karmic gust]

english is my passion

[dusty mesa]

Lol

[karmic gust]

idk, i was watching it via torrents and search was broken :d

did not happened to me before and realized way too late

[frigid wedge]

blazar im gonna make a bannerman pob with so much active anti qol it makes you cry

[dusty mesa]

Rip lol

[somber sundial]

Hellsing ultimate also good anime

[steady hearth]

which one should i go for to be the strongest as a witch as a beginner

[silent leaf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/109806361373655040/1191536443609333760/attachment-3.gif

[tranquil sedge]

looks nice @dark kite
if ur using balance of terror then withering step can be dropped
which frees up basically a 6 link in your body (move body gems to gloves)

that can become a big boi AG

[dusty mesa]

I’m pretty hype for History’s strongest disciple getting a new arc

[sleek barn]

if this is your design wouldn't it be better for the side objective to be in some container?

[frigid wedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101879974308352081/1475265295106183259/caption.gif

[tranquil sedge]

this has no bearing on character progression

its a temporary buff for one zone

take soul eater if u like but it does not matter, at all

[steady hearth]

damn

[tacit crow]

you will get one of these in every since zone you enter

an infitinite amount of times

[steady hearth]

oh i didnt knew that thank u guys

[tacit crow]

take what sounds the best loot wise or xp wise whatever whatever

your call

[karmic gust]

its like quest log on the side so idk, im not good at ui (or anything else other than programming :d)

600 fps tho

[tranquil sedge]

db

do you play df

[tacit crow]

fuck that spider top right bro

[tranquil sedge]

-# dwarf fortress

[tacit crow]

that guy needs to go

minumum specs are 4070ti+ im guessing?

[tranquil sedge]

4000 series?

whats this last gen nonsense

5080 or bust

[karmic gust]

i do not

[tranquil sedge]

and better have at least a 9800x3d

[tacit crow]

yea we NEED those cores for 8bit

[tranquil sedge]

paired with at least 6k mhz cl30 memory

[somber sundial]

Where’s the ability to drop a 300 ton thermobaric bomb on my enemies face

[dark kite]

ah, ive removed the withering step and replaced it with LSOA for clear, i can look at an ag though im worried it wont survive

[tranquil sedge]

it survives coz its a six link and u make him tanky

[tranquil sedge]

https://pobb.in/npqMUEUeG6cZ

view my AG 6L in this, he has a gear loadout

[somber sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-mahoraga-sukuna-fuga-fuga-sukuna-open-gif-13579329961674811592

Need to be able to do this

[tranquil sedge]

this is the low regen version, so he can use malediction helmet, which is nice

if he dies for some reason then you can give him 5x the regen per second instead if needed, but you lose malediction

but still get companionship buff either way

'low' here is like 7.5k regen/sec

high regen version is like 37k/sec or smth

[sleek barn]

it fits the overall style but without a black border on the text it can be hard to read

black border with light text colors are fine

[somber sundial]

Yeah here we go

[sleek barn]

or just some slightly transparent background

alpha of 100

[karmic gust]

yea i wanted to do borders but its annoying to draw every text 3 times

[sleek barn]

eh what you mean

[tranquil sedge]

||-# then just draw it once duh 1 < 3||

[dusty mesa]

When are you releasing alpha test

[karmic gust]

well around text, black text at -1, -1 and +1,+1 is how you usually do borders, especially if you are just bending imgui like me for UI xd

[sleek barn]

oh i see

yeah thats annoying

im not as good at programming so i just use UI packages

background would still be an option that should be fairly easy to do?

[karmic gust]

theres literally nothing to do and its impossible to save characters or anything :d

[dark kite]

whats the regen version?

[karmic gust]

yea

would be just annoying when its always on screen

[tranquil sedge]

low regen is gruthkul + malediction helm
big regen is mask of stiched demon + foulborn ghostwrithe

[sleek barn]

yah so then you'd need a little tick to close and open

ideally an animation for closing and opening

[tranquil sedge]

all items are present in the pob to test with

[karmic gust]

but i use semi transparent bg for inventory and skills

[dusty mesa]

Two years and it’ll be ready for EA

[tranquil sedge]

the low regen version is better if the AG can survive

[dry tree]

Just go to gemini, say "Make my game save and make there be things to do", easy 5 minute coding adventure

[tranquil sedge]

malediction is a strong debuff

[dark kite]

i see

[sleek barn]

if theres nothing to do in the game you can just market it as a "cozy adventure sim"

release in EA

boom 500 million dollars

[tranquil sedge]

"indie 8bit roguelike with crafting"

[dark kite]

very well, let me just buy a mark on hit snipers mark real quick...

[tranquil sedge]

more importantly

how's the build feel to play now

[dark kite]

definitely feeling better

still a bit fragile, the sustain is good but if i get caught off guard i get one shot fairly easily

the dps is phenomenal though

[modest sparrow]

What build is that

[dark kite]

managed to one phase exarch

stracker

[copper vale]

i kill exarch before entering the map

[sleek barn]

thats a new word for me

[modest sparrow]

Static strike or msoz?

[sleek barn]

strength stacker?

[copper vale]

u need more dps for ur build lil bro

[dark kite]

yeah str stacker

msoz

[karmic gust]

well technically i finished map progression kinda yesterday but its impossible to store and half of the objectives are bugged :d

[sleek barn]

next you're gonna say int stacker is intacker

[karmic gust]

but looks cute at least

[dark kite]

no, no, thats still int stacker

[sleek barn]

it actually looks pretty clean

[dark kite]

acc stacker is staccer tho

[modest sparrow]

Hecc

[dark kite]

armour stacker is stackour

[sleek barn]

hard to read yes, but overall clean

[tranquil sedge]

corporate needs you to spot the difference

[sleek barn]

next up for me is an extraction looter

it'll be something

mostly just practice

im gonna steal some poe stuff again

mainly the gem system

hopefully GGG doesn't mind

[karmic gust]

poe3fortnite

[modest sparrow]

Bro's gonna make a path of exile x marathon

[silent leaf]

thats, certainly a Path

[sleek barn]

thats the plan

fuck do i have to learn netcode

its so joever

multiplayer sucks balls

[modest sparrow]

Make sure bungie doesn't see it, they'll make you magically lose 765 million

[spice pecan]

actual poe2 type dead-end; in the bot left is the stairs from level 1, and there's a small undiscovered exit from there

[silent leaf]

im suprised its still at 10k+ top daily

[spice pecan]

I have never seen this type of egregious dead ending in poe1 before

[sleek barn]

oh thats some low ass player count

i thought it was around the same as arc raiders

[spice pecan]

and i know it's because the vaal side area spawned

[modest sparrow]

Nope, its a mixture of stuff tho (meant to reply to the msg below)

The genre being niche, arc raiders ruining how the genre works and destiny 2 players refusing to play marathon

The game itself is good tho

[karmic gust]

destiny 2 players alraedy spent all their money on destiny dlcs rip

[modest sparrow]

Ehh humble bundles exist

All dlcs for 20$ is a steal

[nocturne thistle]

I feel attacked by this comment

[sleek barn]

eh why is arc radiers ruining the genre

[silent leaf]

i remember when bungie had no anti cheat

[split palm]

d2 was good...

[silent leaf]

was

[nocturne thistle]

You say that if they have any functional anti cheat currently

[modest sparrow]

In an extraction shooter, where its about shooting other people, getting their loot and extracting with said loot, arc raiders community made it so its a crime to shoot friendly people

[split palm]

kinda depressing what happened to it

[modest sparrow]

So people go on marathon expecting the same only to realize that they're playing how its supposed to be played

[silent leaf]

i used to sell carries in D2 😔 back when fusion rifles were usable

[sleek barn]

i see

[split palm]

it had arguably the best feeling gunplay

[silent leaf]

then they fucking removed green bricks

for some fucking reason

[sleek barn]

clearly they haven't played Tarkov

Arc Raiders does appeal to more of the casual audience anyways

anyways back to poe

[split palm]

i used to make people hate gambit even more than it was hated

[sleek barn]

uhhh

poo2

[silent leaf]

YOOOO

I ALSO LOVE GAMBIT

[split palm]

izanagi

[silent leaf]

striker titan middle path arc

with skullfort

[sleek barn]

i was terrible at that gamemode

[split palm]

and with a good 4 stack you just forced invasions into one spawn

[sleek barn]

i forgot what it was called