1┃general

[spice pecan]

my nvme drive is still only 512gb

it has my OS, poe1, and like.. some chin hairs

[final owl]

i mean there isn't room for much else if that OS is windows

[spice pecan]

it is

it's win10 though which supposedly is much smaller than win11

[final owl]

god i hate microsoft. anyway, i guess this is in the "thanks AI" category mostly.

because if not for that, multi terrabyte drives would be fairly cheap and easy to obtain now.

[spice pecan]

i am become sad

i know that the game is going to run like turbo ultra doodoo dookie if I delete shaders

but also I'm rly curious how many of the shaders are unused/obsolete now

cuz poe's been installed since like... delve league?

so 2018 or 19

[onyx adder]

In my opinion i should have a free pony

And it should be sparkly

[gritty crater]

it's so over. i'm out of sulphite

[spice pecan]

you don't lose your delve map if you leave

just go get more sulphite

[onyx adder]

My lack of a sparkle pony is making me sad

[gritty crater]

i'm just being dramatic

[onyx adder]

Yo brother/sister we did not say to do this thing

[stuck phoenix]

why

why did you

[onyx adder]

U just missed it the first time round

[stuck phoenix]

go to all the other nodes

I literally

drew arrows so you'd see

[onyx adder]

I use valuable mobile data

[gritty crater]

the left?

[stuck phoenix]

which ones go where

[onyx adder]

And draw more arrows

[final owl]

ok I agree

[onyx adder]

Actually same arrows

Blue ones please

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[stuck phoenix]

@gritty crater

[onyx adder]

If ur about to say u alrdy checked those

I swear to god

[gritty crater]

yeah i'll get there. it's not that deep

[onyx adder]

Lul

[final owl]

which one

[tranquil sedge]

lmao i had the game paused for an hour

screened went blurry when i unpaused

[onyx adder]

Thats what happens if u pause in a mirage

[gritty crater]

yeah i checked them

i'll look again

[onyx adder]

Mirage has that swirly shit

And it renders more swirly shit when paused

But it doesnt delete existing swirly shit when paused

[cosmic eagle]

yeah dont pause inside mirage

[spice pecan]

sorry sometimes i pause the game to intensely watch the 3 hour youtube video i am consuming

(i am currently watching a 7 hour video)

[tranquil sedge]

wot dat

[final owl]

7 hours. how does anything manage to stay interesting that long. godamn. what is it. someone reading an entire book?

[spice pecan]

a livestream vod of someone doing a funny challenge run of pokemon colosseum

[blazing nymph]

But what about your divs/hr bro

[spice pecan]

who gives a fudge

in trade my character can already delete every and all in 1 frame

[blazing nymph]

Shit, i could go for some fudge

[final owl]

i don't give a fudge, but i would like a fudge if there is any to be had. thanks

[spice pecan]

and i'm too frustrated to farm clusters rn in ssf

need clusters for damage
need damage to do deli
need to do deli for clusters

i don't play mobile games so mappers are not real

[finite quail]

boutta do uber uber lab on a tier 7 maps chaos dot trickster

[spice pecan]

empowered lab? y tho

[finite quail]

this is gonna suck ass bro rares are taking like 10 seconds to kill each

[spice pecan]

welcome to chaos dot

[finite quail]

cause its the first uber lab thing I got

[spice pecan]

you got a dedication to the goddess before an offering???

[finite quail]

yeah

cause I speced into it on the tree

To get it faster

[spice pecan]

i'm so sorry

gl doe

[finite quail]

and didnt expect to get an uber one

ty

[spice pecan]

anyways which is the worse part of this sentence?

"i'm installing Path of Exile 2 on my HDD."

[finite quail]

poe 2 campaign dps

[spice pecan]

your chaos golem was seeing its life flash before its eyes for like

an eternity

LMAO

[livid quarry]

what so fun bout taht zdps skill

[spice pecan]

soulrend is cool and also has cat mtx

[final owl]

this is just someone with a fetish for poor game performance, so presumably this is entirely dedicated to some gross kink.

[spice pecan]

you know what's actually kinda funny

in 0.4 I had it on my HDD and surprisingly my loads weren't really that bad

[umbral crag]

Poe2 is a judgement error. Hdd is a fundamental character error

[finite quail]

its fun cause its a playstyle I haven't tried before

[spice pecan]

WoW on my SSD back in battle for azeroth had significantly worse loads than poe2 on my HDD

which is fucking bewildering

[finite quail]

never played a proper chaos spell dot build before

outside of bane, years ago

[spice pecan]

blight of contagion is generally the go-to

[umbral crag]

I dabbled abit of blight of contagion in phrecia

[spice pecan]

ppl like expedition and legion on it a lot apparently

[umbral crag]

I used to love essence drain contagion in a long gone era

[spice pecan]

you cannot make me play ed/c ever again

[blazing nymph]

That was some classic poe

[umbral crag]

7 years or smth ago it was goated

[spice pecan]

i wanted to play lightning spear bloodmage in poe2, so i clicked the guide for it. it then told me to read the fireball guide and respec later.

I clicked the fireball guide and it told me to read the ed/c guide and respec to fireball later

after that, i now sing the praises of bleed bow in poe1 being the best fucking levelling experience ever

[blazing nymph]

Quick, make an ed/c guide that tells people to start with lightning spear

[spice pecan]

and complete the shitty ouroboros

[onyx adder]

45 minute uber uber lab into rip on final izaro

Its coming dw

[spice pecan]

my first ever time playing, i was winging a soulrend occultist

[finite quail]

please no

[spice pecan]

using slower projectiles and return because i thought the dot was based on how long the proj was near the enemy

[final owl]

kek. there is no such thing as a new thought. I just googled this because reasons. top result >

[short prairie]

yes

[spice pecan]

very

[onyx adder]

Embrace the degeneracy

[final owl]

the theory being that ouroborus are inherently somewhat shitty. Anyway. This will be a high watermark for my contributions for the day. enjoy.

[spice pecan]

god's strongest soldier has left us

[livid quarry]

whats the most expensive part of spark

[spice pecan]

quiver, clusters, good widowhail

[livid quarry]

i got 700d

[spice pecan]

in that order would be my guess

[final owl]

does spark not use a juicey screams belt

[livid quarry]

170d

[final owl]

ok. not that juicey then.

[livid quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2rkJRMGGmI

ben still playing

[spice pecan]

ok game

it really wants me to play fucking cold dot i guess

[finite quail]

POG

[livid quarry]

just realized ssf armor stacker

[spice pecan]

yes

[spice pecan]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/miragessf/character/tiamatria-7764/Mythik_FARTSTACKER

[livid quarry]

just wondering

[finite quail]

welp

[livid quarry]

have u gotten mirrors in trade?

@spice pecan

[spice pecan]

I have never dropped a raw mirror

[livid quarry]

bc the amount of effort in ssf would translate to mirrors

[spice pecan]

I have played armor stacker before lol

[final owl]

fartstacker. sounds potent

[finite quail]

poopstacker

[spice pecan]

shitstacker

[finite quail]

(dexstacker)

[livid quarry]

damn

was that lag

[finite quail]

no

I just ate shit

[livid quarry]

didnt think 5k hitpool can be oneshot

[spice pecan]

4 voids on a clusterless armor stacker that barely had 300k armor wasn't bad, shrug

[finite quail]

bro have you played poe

or do you just chat here pretending you have

[livid quarry]

i usually kill uber izaro on 3k

[spice pecan]

you probably usually have damage

[finite quail]

thats uber uber izaro

[livid quarry]

yeah

[finite quail]

on a character that hasnt gone over t7 maps

[livid quarry]

dont tihnk i have done uber uber

[final owl]

that hp sure was going down slow. sad times anyway

[finite quail]

I'm very close to abandoning this character cause while its fun to explore a new concept

this is just really really really bad damage

and its very hard to get weapon upgrades

[spice pecan]

i would maybe try blight of contagion

also do you have +chaos skills

[finite quail]

since spell damage + skill level + dot multi is so fucking hard to get

[livid quarry]

yeah i dont get why shit skills are hard to scale

[finite quail]

Nah not interested in blight either really

[livid quarry]

like rf

dot multiplier

[spice pecan]

damage over time damage over time

that's literally squared

[finite quail]

smh my head

[tranquil sedge]

well rf ate nerfs

multiple times

[livid quarry]

no targeted way ot get

[finite quail]

I wish I could say I'd love to try bleed bow glad, but that's also just complete pain

[livid quarry]

even if u got the gear rf still sht

[finite quail]

plus stupid to do in ssf

without ff for perma aggravated bleeds

[spice pecan]

it literally isnt

lmao

the only pain part is pushing from yellows into reds tbh

just literally farm breach from t1 maps and dump every single point of graftblood into belts

[finite quail]

for what

[spice pecan]

get ryslatha's coil, congrats, red maps done

[finite quail]

Ah

[spice pecan]

also bleed bows are just 3 prefixes

[finite quail]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[spice pecan]

AND

you can play it from level 2

[finite quail]

I meant that you're playing a glad bow build in ssf

well maybe now thats not an issue with bloodlines

I gotta check

[gritty crater]

ok i finally found it. thanks for the help yall

[finite quail]

maybe saresh bloodline would work with it

[spice pecan]

but anyways, i was more of getting at the fact that it's extremely comfy for levelling a duellist

[finite quail]

but man, its so hard to choose what to get as glad bow after your first two ascendancy nodes

[spice pecan]

like if you want to play something else later without investing too much into bleed bow

[finite quail]

its legit only war of attrition

or two points into bloodlines

[livid quarry]

np

[spice pecan]

yeah i mean it's a 3 point ascendancy if you're on glad

but either you get hemophilia gloves and transition to frenzy stack slayer w/ olesyas

[cosmic eagle]

this guy is also hunting for noses

[spice pecan]

or you enjoy having a high level duelist for free and reroll it into something else entirely

[finite quail]

but no perma aggravated bleed

[spice pecan]

who cares

you're a bow build

[finite quail]

its triple dot damage

I care

[spice pecan]

they're moving toward you anyways

[finite quail]

shhhh

[spice pecan]

if the enemies aren't moving you're already dead

[cosmic eagle]

glad cyclone bro it's a fun levelling for duelist

[spice pecan]

cyclone is way too squishy and zdps for me before real gear tbh

[cosmic eagle]

nah

[spice pecan]

i want to like it tho :(

[finite quail]

nah it can be built tanky

[cosmic eagle]

my cyclone aint squishy bro

give me a sec

[finite quail]

You just sacrifice a lot of damage before both balance out

[spice pecan]

but ye idk bleed bow levelling has been the absolute goat for duellist for me

[cosmic eagle]

https://pobb.in/o-DH8TvBkLSI

[finite quail]

Maybe I should give it a shot

I haven't done a proper bow build in ages, less so a bleed bow build

[cosmic eagle]

keep in mind it's an ssf cyclone i just used what i have

[spice pecan]

i mean, it's playable from level 2. starts feeling rly good when you get first lab and chain

i literally kill hillock, buy a bow, buy split arrow, and go lmao

[cosmic eagle]

i love how tanky it is

[spice pecan]

i think the big thing for me is it just feels like my character is moving so slow

[cosmic eagle]

the boots will solve that

[spice pecan]

this was actually my first ever mtx

i think

[finite quail]

pretty sure bitter lash would be one of the best bloodlines for bleed bow glad

[finite quail]

this was my second

my first was the celestial herald lmao

[spice pecan]

yeah bitter lash could work if you wanted to go 4 asc points on glad and then ff something from slayer instead

[cosmic eagle]

i was actually thinking about cyclone or bleed lacerate

i think lacerate is fun too

[spice pecan]

but tbh i'd rather ff fortify cuz i'm a bihh

[silent leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324235206902677656/1360576500318867576/insanecat.gif

[finite quail]

I'm talking ssf

[spice pecan]

in that case i'd still just go frenzy stack slayer with hemophilia gloves for explode

[silent leaf]

why would you ever go bleed bow actually

isnt sunder just better

[spice pecan]

olesya's is not hard to farm

[spice pecan]

slams are fucking boring as shit

[finite quail]

because its a different way to play the game

[spice pecan]

also ^

[silent leaf]

at that point why not just go for TS or smth

[finite quail]

why should I always play the best builds with the best skills in a game that prioritizes player creativity and build diversity

[spice pecan]

sure, go TS instead of split arrow, that's fine

the attack speed will feel like doodoo but you could

[finite quail]

You could yeah

very pointless, but you could

Maybe it could potentially maybe probably not work with crimson dance

[tranquil sedge]

just get more aps best you can

[tranquil sedge]

ts not useless still i mean

360 cover

[spice pecan]

crimson dance feels like turbo bait these days idk

[finite quail]

these days, you say?

How about "it has always been turbo bait"?

[silent leaf]

why not just go Aggrevate + Crimson dance?

[spice pecan]

yeah you just dont rly get a lot of AS intrinsically on the build outside of basic frenzies

[silent leaf]

with farrul glovs

[cosmic eagle]

sweep glad

[finite quail]

read crimson dance bro

you cant aggravate bleeds with crimson dance

[silent leaf]

i played bleed at least 14 league starts in GSF bro lmao

[finite quail]

OH

[silent leaf]

since 3.25

buddy

[finite quail]

My bad I didnt know about that interaction

[cosmic eagle]

aspect of the

[silent leaf]

i am one of THE zdps bleed players

[spice pecan]

yeah the crimson dance tech is pretty funny but like

you need a LOT of aps

[finite quail]

but also

no

I would not do that

ever

[spice pecan]

to fish for high bleeds thru volatility + ryslatha + phys mastery

[silent leaf]

just get unset ring and less duration

[cosmic eagle]

what tier is ryslathas btw, i have never yet found that shit since league start in ssf

[silent leaf]

t1

lmfao

[spice pecan]

t1 or t2

[silent leaf]

t1

[finite quail]

its a rare drop

[cosmic eagle]

[spice pecan]

i've gotten it twice from tree

[silent leaf]

yea thats the only problem of bleed

you kinda want ryslathas, or Abyssus FB

[cosmic eagle]

i got HH from the tree but not ryslatha that's why i chose cyclone glad instead of lacerate

[silent leaf]

or worse, bringer of rain FB

[finite quail]

crimson dance cyclone glad

[spice pecan]

i dont want to think about how much blood i have spent in ssf before i got my first jinxed juju

and this shit is what like a t2

[silent leaf]

jinxed juju is t3

[spice pecan]

rolf lamo

[silent leaf]

i remember most t0 - t4 at the back of my head

[finite quail]

why would you want jinxed juju

[silent leaf]

[finite quail]

the aura effect?

[spice pecan]

armor stacker

yes

[finite quail]

Arent influenced amulets just better?

[whole bluff]

But isn't facebreaker bricked with bleed since like release of 2.0?

[silent leaf]

foulborn

not facebreaker

[spice pecan]

for armor stacker? i just go juju/voice of the storm/aul's contempt/eternal struggle into simplex

[silent leaf]

so its a 6 link

or 5 link

4 sockets +
Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 30 Melee Physical Damage
Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 30 Sadism
Socketed Gems are supported by Level 30 Blind

[spice pecan]

blind HOLYYYYYYY

[finite quail]

so its a 6link

[spice pecan]

blind DEFINITELY is +1 link FOR SURE

[silent leaf]

if ur on bows that melee phys aind doing shit

lmfao

[finite quail]

oh no yeah

on bows its a 5link

i meant for melee bleed

[spice pecan]

are we considering 30 blind a link

because it's not

[finite quail]

no

we are not

[spice pecan]

ok phew

[silent leaf]

we are not

[finite quail]

bro these old ass support gems need a refresh

like

delete chance to flee from the game

get rid of it

[spice pecan]

they exist to dilute the pool

[finite quail]

make it flee from the game

[spice pecan]

this is why transfigs like kbolt of frag exist too

to literally just dilute the pool of shit

[silent leaf]

so its like what you can play

Melee Phys - Sadism
Sunder - Volatility
Fist of war - Brutality

for example for 6 link bleed early on in trade if someone got this

but ye no body armour, just get abyssus Foulborn for 75% DoT mult

[spice pecan]

tbh i don't rly want to play slams ever again

until ice crash is made good

[silent leaf]

example

[finite quail]

and then get fucked with the phys dmg taken

[silent leaf]

just get lightning coil

kekw

[finite quail]

true

but

https://tenor.com/view/dog-scroll-crying-depression-doomscrolling-gif-4138822033792608878

but

i dont wanna farm for it

[cosmic eagle]

id rather play sweep, holy hammers or even holy strike than slams again

[finite quail]

Indeed

[silent leaf]

im stuck on sunder kek

too much QoL

[finite quail]

I'm pretty bored with slams aswell

[cosmic eagle]

snaking was nice until it became a worm

[silent leaf]

im tempted to go for mines next league since legion

[finite quail]

next league mines nerfed 300%

[silent leaf]

im PRAYING

for saresh to not get removed

[normal hedge]

what skill ure thinking?

[silent leaf]

my endgame goal is just to use this

[silent leaf]

exanguanate

how the fuck do you spell that

exanguanate

[normal hedge]

[silent leaf]

ok idk how to spell that

[normal hedge]

exexsansanguiguinanatete

[silent leaf]

Exsanguinate

rolling magma kinda zdefense lmfao

i got poked to death with CoF

[normal hedge]

I was about to try poetspen version in tytys league but i got bored in yellow maps

[spice pecan]

rolling magma has pretty nice dps tho

have one in ssf

[silent leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193668609172574218/1496477374768746636/Rip.mp4?ex=6a03bbe9&is=6a026a69&hm=8f4d2254142640abec2c524734068506e930d3e2d63d013897b471e71e36842c& this is my experience

i think im overleved by 4 levels at that point

[spice pecan]

use the harby magma effect

[silent leaf]

with CoF

kept getting stunned and i cant shield charge away

its so preventable but it is what it is

[normal hedge]

when i played it in merc league ibought FF/FF spellbreaker + Wicked ward + 5k es and it was decent

[silent leaf]

im either going Minions or Mines next league

if Transfusion support stays, im going minions

just go afk for more than 2 minutes per map at the start so my 2 spectres are deep in soul eater cocaine

with automation setup for corrupting fever

[finite quail]

I wonder if corrupting fever procs greater devour support for the soul eater buffs

[silent leaf]

you need to kill for that to happen

[finite quail]

yes

[silent leaf]

not sure if desecrate works with worms

[finite quail]

I was thinking of southbounds so you cant kill non frozen targets

then use corrupting fever to apply a dot to bypass that, getting you the kill

and linking greater devour to corrupting fever

[silent leaf]

oh

[finite quail]

I should test it

sad

Its not supported by greater devour

[opaque sphinx]

whats the setup for budget breach again

[modest sparrow]

You're supported by greater devour

[opaque sphinx]

2x instability, lineage, cascade and wisps sound ok?

fuck wisps 2x lineage

[final owl]

i was running 1 wisp when i was doing it

2 instability 2 lineage and wisp was the version of budget i was doing a lot. i think.

i never really got consistant enough results from any of the more expensive scarabs for it I guess. but i didn't persist much.

[spice pecan]

a "killing blow" does not have to be a hit, right?

room temp iq question i know

[tough cove]

unstable x2, monstrous x2, wisp

[spice pecan]

but "blow" kinda makes me feel like it has to "hit"

otherwise it'd just say "kills" right

[tough cove]

with poe mechanics theres no telling lol

[nocturne thistle]

from poedb

[spice pecan]

that's what i thought, thanks

[tough cove]

thats poe2

[spice pecan]

COMK says "on kill"

[nocturne thistle]

Yeah, although mechanics like this don't usually differ between the two

[spice pecan]

it does not say "on killing blow"

which is why i'm unsure

[tough cove]

comk will trigger on any kill from melee attack damage

wont trigger off of dots from said skills

[spice pecan]

sorry im not specifically asking about COMK

i'm just referencing the difference in wording between different things

"on kill" vs "killing blows"

[tough cove]

i think fiveaxis is right in that killing blows requires a hit

but on kill can comef rom a variety of sources, eg gravebind

[spice pecan]

there's also shit like "enemies killed with Hits" i think

[tough cove]

it gets really weird at times though, see behead support + gravebind

[short prairie]

enemies killed by your hits are destroyed

[spice pecan]

yeah that's what i was thinking of

[tough cove]

on kill typically allows for stuff from dots/impales/etc

killing blows are specifically on hits

[onyx adder]

Killing blow = hit
Kill = anything

[tough cove]

then you have culling strike which counts as a hit

[spice pecan]

that's what i thought, it was just the fact that there's three different wordings when two of them mean the same thing

is what was stunlocking me

[onyx adder]

Also be careful with the "with this skill" and similar tags that usually come with it

Because sometimes the difference is totally academic

[short prairie]

dayum if you paly yugioh you will be fked

you need an attorney's degree for yugioh

[spice pecan]

bro, I literally did from 2006-2012 lol

this was before PSCT

[tough cove]

i stopped playing yugioh cause they kept doing that

[spice pecan]

i was literally BORN in the ygo wording trenches

[short prairie]

it's an entirely different game

the effects description is 1000 words

[tough cove]

i went back to try it wehn they released the ios stuff and then noped back out

[spice pecan]

playing fucking dark worlds was such a headache

"sent" versus "discarded"

still makes me want to projectile vomit

[short prairie]

if when timing

[spice pecan]

[tough cove]

mtg at least tries to keep alot of their keywords sane

[short prairie]

poe doesnt

nearby

[tough cove]

poe and yugioh definitely do not

[short prairie]

vs NEARBY

[tough cove]

vs in x radius

vs within

[spice pecan]

mtg has actually gone way overboard in the opposite way now

by keywording literally everything

[tough cove]

its all kicker in then with mtg anyway

[spice pecan]

2008-2016 mtg had the right amount of keywording vs descriptive text

then again i played legacy/vintage so there were barely any fucking keywords to begin with xdd

[tough cove]

keywords were mainly there to keep judges sane

[spice pecan]

show a judge blood moon and dryad arbor tho

and you will lose a tooth

[tough cove]

thats simple its a 1/1 mountain creature with land creature - mountain dryad as typing

that taps for 1 red

[spice pecan]

mountain is supertype, dryad is subtype, and it is still green

[tough cove]

(thats come up more than 1 or 2 times in EDH)

[spice pecan]

but yeah you're mostly right

goblins vs jund used to be a common matchup in legacy, and goblins maindecked bloodmoon so it was always a headache when we had newer legacy players

[tough cove]

where it gets really funny is with mutate

[spice pecan]

or fucking Humility

god damn

[tough cove]

weve replaced those ruling arguments with bracket arguments

at the lgs' now

[spice pecan]

first to 5, fists only, parking lot, no items?

[tough cove]

nah banish them to play with joel over there who only plays GAIV and Tergrid as his commanders

[spice pecan]

GAIV lmao

drafted that during dissention prerelease

or it might have been a stamped promo in the sealed at the time? i forgor

[final owl]

if i understood any of these words i might be offended.

[spice pecan]

they are ALL slurs toward you and only you

grand arbiter augustin IV very fun card to play against when you can access it from anywhere smilers

[frigid wedge]

maybe next league ill actually do smth productive

[onyx adder]

Its simple

[spice pecan]

finish the LW TS build please

[frigid wedge]

hmm?

[spice pecan]

weren't you working on it

[opaque sphinx]

bruh nooo

first try was actually so close

[frigid wedge]

how come

[onyx adder]

Every time u see ppl talking about mtg u replace all their sentence with "mtg has been dogshit for 15 years" and everything instantly makes sense

Its sweet

[spice pecan]

I would say more like 5-10, but you're not terribly far off

[frigid wedge]

sure i was, lotta stuff that makes it easier to build that we can only use this league tho i think

[spice pecan]

the last 5 years have really gone off the deep end tho

[frigid wedge]

i wanna make my vls first tho

[spice pecan]

surely next leg provides even more stuff that makes it easier

[frigid wedge]

doubt it

[onyx adder]

Idk i quit when wizards started rearranging the pro tour and focusing on edh

[final owl]

mtg has never really made sense to me tbh. people moan about p2w in games mostly but in mtg? it's cool?

[frigid wedge]

double attack speed 12p, accel, vvaal for stampede/badge are all kinda irreplaceable

[spice pecan]

yeah deleting fucking PTQs and pro points and making the whole structure ten times more complex while ALSO deleting fucking DCI

[onyx adder]

Yer no thanks

[spice pecan]

i walked into the neon kamigawa prerelease and i was expected to have an app on my phone to register

[onyx adder]

I will instead dream of the days where mtg was not dogshit

[spice pecan]

i was like "can i just give you my dci number?"

my buddy working the counter was like "you fucking WOULD remember your number"

[onyx adder]

I feel like most of us who were on the weekly mtg grind would

Roughly 90% of the best road trips of my life have been to ptqs

[spice pecan]

yeah, esp cuz I live in seattle where there's multiple weeklies within driving/transit distance every day

wizards HQ city privilege

[onyx adder]

I was telling senses just a minute ago how i prepped a friend for a job interview at a finance firm on one of these 4 hour ptq road trips

By comparing every financial transaction to buying Obstinate Baloths

[spice pecan]

LMAO

[onyx adder]

From scott at the local card store

[spice pecan]

pre-loxodon smiter

i see your game

[onyx adder]

Also obstinate baloth is just a funny name

He is obstinate

[spice pecan]

he doesn't bail tho

but he is obstinate true

also i just became incredibly sad

MTGthesource is kill

[livid quarry]

Excommunicated on hit, preventing afflicted targets from dealing chaos damage. cool support imbune

[spice pecan]

i had been posting in the legacy threads since like 2008

[onyx adder]

Yea so if i want to buy an obstinate baloth in two weeks when i get paid, but i dont have four dollars, i can instead pay scott at the card store one dollar, and reserve the right to buy obstinate baloth in two weeks for three dollars fifty. This way scott gets an extra fifty cents, i get certainty that i can buy my obstinate baloth, and you get to understand how a call option works

Plus i get to say obstinate baloth a lot

Which is inherently hilarious

[frigid wedge]

we're at the point of sleep deprivation where i just spent 8 minutes singing in the middle of my bedroom floor in the dark instead of leaving the house while already running late

[spice pecan]

man yall down under were fuckin generous with reserving singles holy

[onyx adder]

Oh no

I had a mate on my testing team who was a writer for mtgsalvation

I wonder if theyre still alive

[spice pecan]

when I was working at my LGS I would get legit held over by almost 20 minutes by ppl mtx'ing the case, fuck no you are paying sticker price immediately

[spice pecan]

apparently like months ago the domain just like stopped getting paid for? idk

[onyx adder]

Huh wild i thought domains were like $20 a year these days

Shows what i know

[spice pecan]

the tinfins legacy thread there is so funny, the guy LegendaryHair who made the thread was the guy who I playtested the deck with

[frigid wedge]

btw mythik its hard to motivate myself to make the tshot when it plays exactly the same as my elementalist with very slightly more speed and less lag

[onyx adder]

Get in, we're having the obstinate baloth finance 101 discussion you'll fit right in

[spice pecan]

you need to get in the BowZone

[frigid wedge]

and like a third of the dps with no hh

[spice pecan]

channel your inner bow player

[onyx adder]

More speed and less lag are good reasons to do things

[frigid wedge]

bowzone requires hh, lwarp tshot bricks if u give it hh

[spice pecan]

you want to be locked into beast prison for synth implicits on a bow and quiver

[onyx adder]

Beast prison is for scrubs, just ask senses

[spice pecan]

megabald tri ele fuck it we ball

[onyx adder]

Ur supposed to manual farm ur cornucopias

[frigid wedge]

phys bow still

[onyx adder]

In order to manual farm ur oshabis

In order to manual synth rings one at time

[frigid wedge]

thing is

i have like

[onyx adder]

Thats what the chads do

[frigid wedge]

bis watchers for it

iirc

[spice pecan]

you should grease up some std player who has the helm enchant for it

and scalp it to them for 10mirr

or was it glove enchant i dont remember

[frigid wedge]

i can feel the inside of my head making a clicky sound

send help

[frigid wedge]

the whole point was to make it viable in league without helm enchants

[spice pecan]

the hamster on the habitrail just needs to rest for a sec

[spice pecan]

i still think it is fwiw even without krangled fogged clusters

[short prairie]

why my discord flashed

[spice pecan]

but at the end of the day

it's a dunes farmer and cannot run basically anything else

but it's really funny

[spice pecan]

your internet is kill

gg comcast user

[short prairie]

no i went offline myself

[spice pecan]

don't ruin my narrative

[short prairie]

[split maple]

Unacceptable

Its good lab day

[short prairie]

no more puking

[grizzled lily]

WHATS THE LAYOUT CHIEF

[spice pecan]

16h40m of good lab left

[frigid wedge]

very much so

[spice pecan]

gogo unga bunga

[frigid wedge]

my trial char on std hits breakpoint with frenzy and 1.2m dps

[split maple]

double chest room1 merc

uber is shit

[spice pecan]

if only std were playable

[grizzled lily]

whats that gon do for me sir

[spice pecan]

you axed for the layout

he told you the layout

[split maple]

grand spectrums

[frigid wedge]

nothing on it is legacy

[spice pecan]

no but it's std which is a prison

but that's actually kinda sick

if there's no legacy OR potentially legacy things involved

[frigid wedge]

i mean, its really easy to hit 10.1 with frenzy

its much harder with tshot

[spice pecan]

what cdr breakpoint are you using?

does it use 27?

[frigid wedge]

bc frenzy has 100% effective attack speed and more attack speed per charge
tshit just gas 80% effective attack speed

[frigid wedge]

205

[spice pecan]

oh

lol

my brain only remembers 9/27/52/90 LMAO

[frigid wedge]

its not that bad to hit with badge and stampede

plus we have cdrr support now

[spice pecan]

yeah you right

[frigid wedge]

you can JUST ABOUT get enough to get 15.15 or whatever the trigger breakpoint was iirc but its really tight

[spice pecan]

is there ever an angle where you say fuck it and go sabo

[split maple]

i still want to go necro there just to solve aps

[spice pecan]

or ascendant sabo + deadeye wait

[frigid wedge]

if taking accel the argument can be made

[spice pecan]

ascendant sabo + deadeye would hit that while also getting extra proj??

[onyx adder]

Is that worth on the asenath setup

[spice pecan]

i know cdr gets huge diminishing returns at that high of a level

[onyx adder]

Seems like u would run out of links

[spice pecan]

but surely 25% is enough yeah?

[frigid wedge]

link group is literally just warp inspiration and enlighten

for costs

[spice pecan]

oh wait ascendant sabo is only 15%

that makes it more debatable

[frigid wedge]

mythik u can hit enough on deadeye

if we take ascend for cdrr im clicking assassin

[spice pecan]

well think about this

ascendant gets five extra passive points

can those be meaningfully spent?

[frigid wedge]

think about this, every frenzy is 12 cdrr

on ascendant u would be going unleashed potential

[spice pecan]

900d x 2 jewels omegalaughing

[frigid wedge]

its less than a div

[spice pecan]

[frigid wedge]

[spice pecan]

report sans, she's hacking, i am stun immune? hello?

[frigid wedge]

lemme put it this way

[spice pecan]

i saw one for 900d in like merc league

lmao

[split maple]

yes ff prices are really meta dependant

[frigid wedge]

the attack speed is a WAY bigger complication than cdrr

[spice pecan]

you're right about that tbh

[frigid wedge]

unless u socket frenzy in main

[spice pecan]

because there are large sources of cdr that you can relatively easily get to hit breakpoints

[frigid wedge]

in which case u end up way over

the only time cdrr is a bigger limiter than attack speed is if ur tryna hit 15

[spice pecan]

with 5 extra passives, could you make it like an aurabot tree with necro f/f for 2% increased AS per aura that scales with aura eff?

on ascendant obv

[frigid wedge]

mythik ur making this way too complicated

[spice pecan]

IT'S ALREADY TOO COMPLICATED

[frigid wedge]

not really

[spice pecan]

sorry caps

[frigid wedge]

its just cdrr and attack speed and then you pick a damage scaler

thats basically it

[spice pecan]

then like uhh

[onyx adder]

The other thing u can think about is there is an ascendancy ppl use or ff if they need a lot of attack speed and are already set up for triggers

That being corpse pact

I havent seen ur setup so im not sure whether its feasible

But if u need a lot of aspd its there

[dark sequoia]

Is poison jiquani a thing

[frigid wedge]

i need you and esm to understand that I'm not putting corpse pact on this because if i was gonna put corpse pact on it i may as well just be using coiling whisper

[spice pecan]

yeah, i just kinda hate the idea of having to automate corpse consumption and shit

[spice pecan]

also this

[frigid wedge]

the whole idea is to avoid conditional speed

[spice pecan]

yeah, it wants to be flat speed right out the gate

[split maple]

is corpse pact even conditional tho

[frigid wedge]

frenzy charges arent conditional bc as soon as u hit a mob its done

[onyx adder]

Its kinda conditional yea

Depending on how u trigger it

[spice pecan]

i dont want to take 10 seconds to reach the boss door

[frigid wedge]

very

[spice pecan]

i want to take 4 or less

and kill everything in the process

[onyx adder]

If its corpse triggers on hit, crit, kill etc

Very conditional

[spice pecan]

while playing TS cuz it's sick

[onyx adder]

If its a loop then not conditional

[split maple]

https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125/ass-jiquani

[onyx adder]

Obviously its a deathbeam setup lul

[spice pecan]

wait no

[frigid wedge]

the goal is to only rely on frenzy charges as the conditionals

[spice pecan]

that's not a pathfinder

did someone hack deathbeam

he would never make a poison build that isn't pf

[split maple]

dbeam rn has only like 10 pfs on his pobbin

[dark sequoia]

My favorite build this league was perfect agony skysunder leapslam of groundbreaking ignite

[split maple]

he was widening his horizons

[spice pecan]

he literally made shattershard + monastery bell poison pf

[frigid wedge]

he builds every ascend like pathfinder dw, he has an archmage hiero that still looks like pf

[spice pecan]

he built the shattershard poison pf and then in the notes basically said "fuck ggg for putting reduced effect of inflicted ailments" or whatever in the notes

[split maple]

khatal was ggg personal love letter to dbeam

[spice pecan]

[frigid wedge]

mythik u like the watchers eye

[spice pecan]

ayo im personally a fan of tides on every ascendancy between stygian/cord and mb/hh/screams

[onyx adder]

Dont actually do this jiquani poison garbo lul i cant

[split maple]

[spice pecan]

and let me put this on the FUCKING record

in 3.26 when i was heisting on exsang mine trickster i got made fun of for using tides

[dark sequoia]

i tried a voltaxic burst mjolner hiero

it was fun

[onyx adder]

💀

[split maple]

mythik consider

brutal restraint

cord belt

[spice pecan]

i will not!

[split maple]

into brutal restraint

hh

[spice pecan]

I will consider

tides of time

alcoholicmaxxing

[onyx adder]

This is what i did this league

Because i didnt want mageblood jail

[spice pecan]

real talk tho, tides was so comfy for heisting

[onyx adder]

Or more accurately apothecary jail

[split maple]

itf jail isnt that sad

[spice pecan]

lance had to do 1.8k maps for megabald

[split maple]

yes thats ok

[frigid wedge]

original setup for my tshot this league ran that

[spice pecan]

300 maps just to set up board was enough to make me want to shave my head and have a chris crocker moment

[split maple]

1800 scoured maps for megablood doenst feel bad to me

idk

[plucky rivet]

What are fun maps to play ?

[spice pecan]

dont think he scoured them at all iirc

cuz he was banking on raw drops too

[onyx adder]

Thats only the 30th most degenerate ssf farm ive seen this league

[spice pecan]

so they were at least decent 6mods

[onyx adder]

The top 29 all belong to senses

[spice pecan]

ssf doesn't count

[split maple]

spam coves for baryas

[spice pecan]

look at ppl doing full MF as solo in trade

THAT is degenerate

[plucky rivet]

Yea ?

[frigid wedge]

mythik if u find me a good motivator to make the tshot ill maybe make it

[spice pecan]

why the fuck would you ever solo MF

[spice pecan]

I will ponder this

[split maple]

i can understand mf this league solo tho

like just spaming breaches

so uniques are just fun thing that happens while you profit from currency drops

[spice pecan]

they literally deleted the last MFable mechanic 2 leagues ago my guy

[frigid wedge]

tbf snoo was doing solo mf breaches with dextral

[onyx adder]

Open breach put a rock on ur spark button and go make a coffee

[frigid wedge]

and making decent

[split maple]

yeah i am not saying do mf oriented strats

i am saying do your usual ass breach

with mf gear

its still divs and keys and shit but now you also get t0 per 2-3 days

which while not profitable is fun

[plucky rivet]

Fun maps to play ?

[frigid wedge]

and more gold!

[split maple]

maze

[plucky rivet]

And what to do there

[frigid wedge]

i like armoury occasionally

[onyx adder]

Im drooling thinking about all the bloodseekers i get to vendor

[spice pecan]

i was gonna write a thing about breach vs alva but then i realized

[spice pecan]

you can get like 14 breaches per map w/ mirage, you get fucking 3 alvas

[plucky rivet]

No i mean i built all the characters i wanted now idk what to do.. just run maps over and over ? Lol

[spice pecan]

so i am preemptively calling myself wrong

[frigid wedge]

i ned to sort a mb this league i think

[onyx adder]

Ackshually with atlas u get four alvas

Smh

[frigid wedge]

unsure if i can get 50 charges in enough time tho without tides

[spice pecan]

do you have your voidstones?

[split maple]

i should test alva beyond non-evo this league 🤔 just wisps and lineages and champs and shit

[frigid wedge]

kek

[split maple]

just to see how many magic mobs we get there

[spice pecan]

its just so kneecapped by the fact that mirages dont dupe masters

[plucky rivet]

@split maple i think soo. All my maps are t16

[split maple]

like breach rn is 10000 kills per map on lowend

[plucky rivet]

Yeaa

[spice pecan]

so you're locked to 3 alvas per map, 4 if you really dont give a fuck about temple building

[onyx adder]

10 million kills holy

[spice pecan]

whereas breachmaxxers are doing 12+ unstables

4 alvas even turbojuiced can't compete with 12 unstables i think

[split maple]

i am rly good at numbers

[spice pecan]

numbersmaxx it, king

👑

[onyx adder]

4 alvas is at least likr

5 times faster

[split maple]

depends on time per map ig

[onyx adder]

So it doesnt have to directly compete

[split maple]

like breach is slooow

[spice pecan]

4 alvas is like ~1k mobs per

[livid quarry]

how long does it take for u to do breach

[spice pecan]

breaches are what like, 400 mobs per?

[frigid wedge]

i kinda wonder if jugg would be better for tshot

[mental nymph]

Hi chat

[livid quarry]

there a str stacker tshot

[onyx adder]

Its hard if ur helmet is locked

That build gets so much from helmet

[frigid wedge]

for attack speed

[frigid wedge]

bows roll % proj per accuracy too

dont need obscurantis

the bigger concern is the lost value on BOOTS

[split maple]

budget breach so without bloodlines

full map

[onyx adder]

Just the accuracy loss from no helmet is a beating

Even if ur not stacking str

[spice pecan]

how many unstables?

[frigid wedge]

abyssals go!

[split maple]

idk was without the fuckload of breaches proc

maybe 2 unstables in mirage

[spice pecan]

iirc sushi or someone else said it was like 400 ish max blue mobs per unstable

but sushi also fucking trolls so idk

[split maple]

like basic ass avg maps of budget breach are 10-15k mobs

[frigid wedge]

ughhh i hate when ascendancy has multiple options and making a pob requires me making like 4

[onyx adder]

I mean u can try but my first instinct is sounds like a kira build

[split maple]

rolling for packsize in addition to currency ofc

[karmic gust]

this is somewhere around what i usually had

on breaches

ignore the font

xd

[spice pecan]

is this 929 PER unstable?

[short prairie]

https://pobb.in/wcKYz_2dSJ7c @split maple should i go adorned

[onyx adder]

Thats 3929

Total probs

[spice pecan]

ah

[karmic gust]

total yea

[frigid wedge]

pob it

[split maple]

what roll adorned you got

[frigid wedge]

and level the fuck up

[short prairie]

50%

[split maple]

[frigid wedge]

no

get morr adorn

[spice pecan]

seems like it was roughly 10 total unstables then

[split maple]

senses there is one acceptable roll of adorned to go for in ssf

otherwise jewels too pain

[spice pecan]

which puts it around the number that i saw

[livid quarry]

100%

[split maple]

funny last league there were at least 2 100% adorneds in ssf

that was the other dude: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepersssf/character/Jobo-7428/PantsuStacker

[short prairie]

i know i will

[short prairie]

the heck

[livid quarry]

can i ask if u die often on that

[frigid wedge]

biggest waste of a 100 ever

[split maple]

pantsu makes me feel like amateur

[short prairie]

the heck is this mirror item

[split maple]

its not mirror, low tier attack speed implicit

[short prairie]

i dont

even in 80% deli

[frigid wedge]

attack speed on these on INT ACC STACK is criminal

[split maple]

but ssf still kinda ridiculus

[split maple]

he was rolling for any int

[short prairie]

how did he even get to roll implicits

[livid quarry]

i was wondering why a guy made 1b dps flicker with like 50k ehp

guess dont really need it

[short prairie]

vultures dont exist

[split maple]

last league kirac missions were still ingame senses

[frigid wedge]

vultures

[split maple]

vultures used to exist

[short prairie]

what the

sigh

[split maple]

like you could farm them per hour

[short prairie]

well

now they appear once every 300-400 maps

[frigid wedge]

i fucking hate that they gave us a taste of accessible target farming harvest beasts and immediately took it away

[short prairie]

they were like

F u, no beasts for you

[split maple]

I wish we at least had memories if we cant have kirac

Surely harvest beast astrolabe next league

[frigid wedge]

they overhauled kirac mission shit rlly nicely and immediately said nah fuck you

[livid quarry]

if i leave the map before kirac finish capture animation will i sitll get beast

[rough field]

You mean einhar?

[livid quarry]

oh

yeah

😴

[rough field]

If you see da mission tick up yus

[frigid wedge]

dedge

[mental nymph]

[split maple]

i now missed 3 helmet recombos

send help

[frigid wedge]

accidentally logged off with this on my cursor, we think it will survive?

[plucky rivet]

How do this . What type of maps https://youtube.com/watch?v=LACsFeUvIfo&si=ib5AT-7XC1GHbFU-

[frigid wedge]

[mental nymph]

I can send prayers

Gl man

[split maple]

it should survive

[frigid wedge]

what helm

[split maple]

basic ass brand helm

didnt get single hypo in 60 esses

so went for the wuss way

[frigid wedge]

u making pbod again

[split maple]

eye of winter feels shit to play

[frigid wedge]

cassies?

[frigid wedge]

send build

[mental nymph]

I was planing to make an amu for someone via recomb

[split maple]

its not about build

[mental nymph]

But now got lazy

[split maple]

its just that if i want to scale dps its opposite to clear

[mental nymph]

Failed at last step

[split maple]

like slower projs vs faster projs

[frigid wedge]

u swap a gem

[split maple]

& mines feel like way worse brands

[karmic gust]

just get enough dps so you can perma run faster proj :d

[split maple]

gonna go for one effect cluster + one notable cluster & foulborn coming calamity

so not totally samey

[frigid wedge]

esm just play dbeams eow mines instead of urs

[karmic gust]

i would not play minefield miner ever again btw, so annoying

[split maple]

i dont want to press flask now that i got used to eldritch batery again

& dbeams pob has lower mine throwing speed than mine

& i kinda rly want cooldown support on detonate mines since it feels jank without it & rly cannot fit it into either setup

[karmic gust]

i was running cdr on detonate mines brielfy but i had opposite experience

cdr made it worse (both for clear and single target)

[split maple]

and slaping cdr actually is bad for dmg too -.-

coz less mines on ground

[split maple]

i just hate hate hate this lil delay between mine is thrown and mine is detonated

feels so clunky

[karmic gust]

well you just throw it at end of screen like when playing normal build right

more cdr makes it so you cant throw it as far

because it detonates too soon

so it just made clear worse

at least in my experience, idk how ppl normally play mines :d

[short prairie]

frenzy on onsalught is better i think

[short prairie]

https://klipy.com/gifs/moral-support-2--k01KRDKRE4AC9GCJWXEXK8KYZDZ

[split maple]

how fun it is for a skill to have qol - dmg - clear scalers being opposed to each other

[karmic gust]

i do rly like swift assembly mines at least but you sacrifice so much damage

but it felt better than any other caster setup

[frigid wedge]

it makes ur detonation chain less effective so u detonate slower no?,

i wanna play a trapper

[tacit crow]

links video for guide, doesnt watch

[karmic gust]

you dont even rly get chains with automation, but it allows you to have less mines at once

[frigid wedge]

its been a while

[nova minnow]

Trapper so annoying

[karmic gust]

for high impact aura and shit

[nova minnow]

i want my traps triggered by enemy

but the correct way to play is grenade

[karmic gust]

but blastchain with automation detonate is completely useless for example

[plucky rivet]

I watched it..

[tacit crow]

how do this

[frigid wedge]

seismic trap is calling to me

[plucky rivet]

Vid is 1 month old.. probably not the best anymore

[split maple]

like jimbo why do map farm

you just bought a nice mirr+ deadeye from tft

go do breach

[karmic gust]

oh maybe ejiquani can carry swift assembly mines

i should pob that

[plucky rivet]

Breach what scarabs ?

[split maple]

google fubgun

[karmic gust]

sabo jiquani magma orb swift assembly poison

[livid quarry]

im the only guy who still playing without a mirror

well not really playing

only guy still logging in without mirror

[karmic gust]

why do you need mirror while playing, you can fix your makeup later

[plucky rivet]

@split maple fubgun what else

[split maple]

dude trust me you are the only person there i would recommend to go follow fubgun as prophet

[livid quarry]

i have more desire to flip currency than set up my str stacker

but market feels dead

[nova minnow]

poe2

[tacit crow]

interesting

you bought a character?

[plucky rivet]

No

[cold sable]

today alva decided to bless me with a reservation multiplier + aoe gem level faithguard runic helm

incredible

[tacit crow]

what character are you playing?

[plucky rivet]

Deadeye LA

[split maple]

[livid quarry]

how did he get 1 mirror and 700d

[split maple]

thats the one question i rly dont want to ask

[plucky rivet]

Farming harvest for 2 and half week straight

Bored of it . Looking for a better strat

[dense rock]

full juiced chaos recipe

[livid quarry]

u were the guy that delayed my harvest flip

[livid quarry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226447353020682361/1502353895148621964/Screenshot_2026-05-08_095333.png?ex=6a0404d8&is=6a02b358&hm=c5d93c067e0f892abce371ea98da015f3d2469e2a4dc307e284f5c515d48cdb1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1533&height=761

[plucky rivet]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YnfPZHBTUNA&si=HXp5oB1CDF4CBleU this ?

[livid quarry]

took 2 weeks to sell cuz of u

[dense rock]

No, juiced chaos recipe

[livid quarry]

yup

[tacit crow]

so you farmed what for 2 weeks

[plucky rivet]

Harvest

[tacit crow]

i dont like liars

did you buy your char from tft

[livid quarry]

if u already know why ask

he could get banned

[dense rock]

ooooh we have a elon musk moment going on? 😄

[plucky rivet]

Yes

[livid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[plucky rivet]

Lmaoo

[plucky rivet]

What maps and scarabs i need to run those

[dense rock]

dude....

Just selfreport at this point 😄