1┃general

[short prairie]

I thought they are the same thing

My bad

(Or I just couldn’t read)

[split palm]

anyways, I go make some food and'll go out for a bit

[short prairie]

Cya

Rilay what u got for yo mum

[rancid seal]

i said dont 😖

[normal hedge]

Flowers, a body splash and a perfume, wbu

[short prairie]

My big old middle finger

[normal hedge]

Wow why

[short prairie]

Jk, flowers and dinner

[normal hedge]

What kind of flower

[short prairie]

Might sound stupid but it’s rose

Ye I know it’s not supposed to be for mums

[frigid wedge]

róse

[short prairie]

But I’ve been buying the same thing

It became a tradition

[short prairie]

Black pink?

[mental nymph]

Hi chat

[short prairie]

Hi cat

[frigid wedge]

i found out the MOT on my bike expired in fucking AUGUST

[frigid wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bye-bye-maki-wave-soredemo-ayumu-wa-yosetekuru-when-will-ayumu-make-his-move-gif-26195508

[normal hedge]

whats a mot

[short prairie]

Mot?

[frigid wedge]

thing that says its safe for everyone for the vehicle to be on the road

[short prairie]

Music of Taste

[spice pecan]

corrupted nebulis wtf

[short prairie]

That’s the worst nebulis yet

[frigid wedge]

i go foods

[spice pecan]

great explicits

sucks that the implicits are unplayable

[short prairie]

[normal hedge]

thats sad

[short prairie]

Time to get a ticket from the police 👮

[short prairie]

RF ring

[livid quarry]

16 fractures and realized it was the lowest roll

but i still made money back

[dusty turtle]

5 hours of farming and still zero Cast on Word Destruction Support drops.
Is this normal?

[livid quarry]

got a 16% all ele frac

worth 10d at least

[spice pecan]

cast on ward break is quite rare, and nightmare of uhtred takes forever

[short prairie]

Cast on Word

Not ward

[normal hedge]

Cast on wordle

[spice pecan]

Microsoft Word?

[short prairie]

Wait I forgor to do my wordle today

Ty

[normal hedge]

The word is mommy

[dusty turtle]

Ward Loop probably needs about five Cast on Ward Break Support gems."

[short prairie]

Uh oh

4 words used

[nova minnow]

no u

[short prairie]

Well today is a word I don’t even know existed

Good to know

[normal hedge]

D4good?

[short prairie]

Poe2good?

Titanquest2good?

LEgood?

TL2good?

Herosiegegood?

[normal hedge]

Yes, no, no, yes, yes

[short prairie]

[tranquil sedge]

no
not no
not no
not no
not no

[normal hedge]

Wym not no

[split palm]

and it started to fucking rain

[tranquil sedge]

i don't know if they're good 😄

[split palm]

great

that's what I needed in life

[tranquil sedge]

but i wont assume they're automatically bad

unlike the first game which is just objectively bad

[short prairie]

.5 seemed good

But idk

[split palm]

.5 looks to be good

[tranquil sedge]

if it was called literally anything else i might say that

but its called 'path of exile'

[split palm]

and may get the game the right to be called poe2

[tranquil sedge]

and still looks on-rails as fuck

[split palm]

and not poo2

[normal hedge]

I had a lot of fun in .3

[tranquil sedge]

sure i mean its just my subjective view

[split palm]

.3 was decent

[normal hedge]

.4 slop

[short prairie]

Why you missing 1 eye

[split palm]

it had deterministic crafting

[short prairie]

It should’ve been :3

[normal hedge]

Im a pirate

[tranquil sedge]

their whole crafting system is dogshit

and i only say that coz they failed to make it better than poe1

[trim moon]

hello, i just have a quetion on how astrolabes work?

[tranquil sedge]

how do you have the chance to start from completely zero

and still make it so confusing

and convoluted

and have so many damn items

after decade+ working on poe1??

[split palm]

they saw clusters

and thought

[tranquil sedge]

thats a complete fucking failure

[split palm]

good system

[trim moon]

so i am following a strategy on maxroll for unstable breach, do i use the astrolabe on the dunes map itself and keep doing dunes or how do they work?

[split palm]

now let's make it worse

[tranquil sedge]

use on dunes

spec into the node on tree called synthesized stability

then u can run dunes over and over

when you run out of astrolabe enchants by consuming it by running enough dunes

apply a new one

repeat as needed

[short prairie]

Allocage the collapse node all the way on the top of the atlas tree

[trim moon]

gotcha, thank you! 🙂

[tranquil sedge]

but yea if ur having fun then just disregard all i said ofc

[short prairie]

I think they trying to remediate this

[tranquil sedge]

bro

[short prairie]

Poe has the best crafting system of ANY game

Not just within it’s genre

I think all developers should take a look and note it down

[tranquil sedge]

yes and it has one very clear pain point - the barrier to entry is a high knowledge requirement

and also just how many items there are

which, in poe1, fine, we had this for a long time, we kind of enjoy the complexity and all that

but they had a chance to do it over and make it more accessible and a little less just so cluttered

[short prairie]

Poe1 crafting is still hard to understand starting from scratch

[tranquil sedge]

i know, i said that

im saying poe2 had the chance to fix it

but didnt

[short prairie]

Poe2 is just harder and resources are way more limited

They should buff loot tbh

[tranquil sedge]

yea
its like if u buffed ruthless a bit

you end up with that

[short prairie]

[tranquil sedge]

also
that atlas tree doesn't make any sense either

you get to allocate every point in the end, but you get to choose some of the nodes on the tree depending on what you want

[nova minnow]

i want to make a shield build

should i go divine blast or spectral shield throw of shattering? probably doing armor stack

[tranquil sedge]

how is that any different from just choosing what to allocate in the firts place

[tranquil sedge]

you ever played shield throw?

[nova minnow]

no

[tranquil sedge]

neither have i

[nova minnow]

never played wither

[tranquil sedge]

lemme know how it goes

[nova minnow]

[short prairie]

Saves atlas regrets

[tranquil sedge]

step 1 is still look up the top dps on poe ninja

at least get some idea of ballpark top dps numbers

[nova minnow]

1.6bil

[tranquil sedge]

so u know what u might expect at lower budget

[nova minnow]

uses bugged chest

[tranquil sedge]

stop looking at standard

im saying

just make sure the build aint completely pointless

[short prairie]

1.6b SST wdf

[tranquil sedge]

before u try

[tranquil sedge]

armor overcap standard fire res chest

[nova minnow]

there's 2 builds w shield throw in mirage

<1mil dps

no one playing this shid

[short prairie]

Oh standard

Sst is hard to scale

But good for early hardcore

On glad

[rocky glade]

SST is a hell of a weird skill

You have to decide
You want crit

Or no crit

[nova minnow]

i want crit

[short prairie]

When a skill is limited to your shield’s value it’s kind of hard to scale you know

[cold sable]

how do i activate ward loop without being hit by an enemy

i know they use weapon swap to do it but i dont get it

[tranquil sedge]

volatile vaal is good tho for that skill right

since u can vv emperor's vigilance or whatever

[rocky glade]

Crit, you forefeit every shield and go with the Seething Fury + Emperor Vigilance

That will be the single shield you will ever use for the rest of your life

[nova minnow]

i will refer to divine blast builds

[rocky glade]

Seething Fury enables crit on shield

[nova minnow]

and see if it carries over

[rocky glade]

Divine Blast is the same

[nova minnow]

yeah alot more divine blyat builds

no one playing SST

[rocky glade]

Seething Fury and Emperor's Vigilance
The only reason I like SST more is because of the chain

DB you gonna need to run Less Duration

[tranquil sedge]

lol

volatile vaal on top of this

[short prairie]

Emperors vigilance is better than 30 qual elegant round shield?

[tranquil sedge]

the highest shields i see on trade

[rocky glade]

For the majority of people

[tranquil sedge]

ignore the price for a sec

but thats how high it goes on trade market atm

[short prairie]

That the

40 qual

lol

[tranquil sedge]

yea

slightly worse and price comes down

[tacit crow]

yo

[tranquil sedge]

man i hope volatile vaal goes core along with the other stuff

this makes me wanna play so many builds

just to use their fun overrolled uniques

[nova minnow]

uh im gonna go ci

i think that will kill me

[tranquil sedge]

i dunno

ill check pob

[tacit crow]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-gif-10920901194358000552

ding ding ding

[tranquil sedge]

perfect 30q elegant round looks like this

oh shield throw of shattering only cares aboutr evasion on the shield?

normal and trarthus just say defences on shield

[short prairie]

Uhm

[tranquil sedge]

evasion base

[short prairie]

This is more realistic than emperors vigilance

[nova minnow]

Sirs im going CI

im gonna use a shit shield w atk speed and double dmg

[short prairie]

Try cardinal round shield instead, for normal SST

[tranquil sedge]

yea those are suffixes

[nova minnow]

And 500 es

[tranquil sedge]

shattering throw or normal throw

[nova minnow]

Shattering

[tranquil sedge]

or trarthus throw

okay

best ev/es base

vs best es base

not to mention shattering scales off shield evasion

[short prairie]

Normal SST this is prob bis

[nova minnow]

so i have to go life build

all the divine blast ppl r stacking frenzy charges

Ah well, I'll plan it later

not urgent

[short prairie]

Standard builds are never urgent

[nova minnow]

Well im gonna play it in mirage

[short prairie]

F

My condolences

[nova minnow]

It's gonna be so shit lmao

but yolo

[short prairie]

Since you are using your shield’s values

[tranquil sedge]

its gonna be fun

the word u want is fun

[short prairie]

What about doing some stupid things with your main weapon

[tranquil sedge]

off meta and room to experiment

fuck yea

[nova minnow]

replica dreamfeather

we stacking armor w this

[short prairie]

[nova minnow]

going iron reflexes grace determination

makes sense if u using a stupidly high evasion armor shield

[short prairie]

Is impale an option

[nova minnow]

I dont think so

coz shattering does cold

if it was normal sst

[short prairie]

Oh

[nova minnow]

probably fine

[short prairie]

Never seen shattering

[nova minnow]

impale could be interesting

[short prairie]

But you cold

[nova minnow]

idk i need to handle reflect someway

Ascendant slayer looks the easiest

[short prairie]

That’s only phys

Not cold

?

[nova minnow]

Yeah so switch shattering to normal

and does phys

then can impale

[short prairie]

[nova minnow]

Idk both options are open

anyway

[short prairie]

30 qual cardinal shield let’s go

I didn’t get one in ssf, else I might consider playing sst

[nova minnow]

i hate attack builds

[short prairie]

Flicker best attack

[nova minnow]

Indeed

[spice pecan]

nah, pestilent strike best attack

[short prairie]

?

[spice pecan]

i dont make the rules

[frigid wedge]

are u making sst of shatter armourstacker

[short prairie]

That skill might as well don’t exist

Pestilence

[nova minnow]

Original plan was do normal armor stacker w SST of shatter

Could also run an impale life version

idk, so many choices

[frigid wedge]

the std peeps run "sst of shattering" they use aegis with the crucible for added lightning iirc

[short prairie]

How about bleed version

Jk, don’t do bleed.

[frigid wedge]

what if u run like, enmity double overcap

?

and avatar of fire

[short prairie]

Your avatar is purple

[frigid wedge]

yes

hong u could also take inspiration from the shield crush champions

and drop war banner

[short prairie]

@silent leaf

Someone mentioned banner

Your turn

[frigid wedge]

no

[silent leaf]

aye

[frigid wedge]

i said remove the banner

its sst

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-police-chase-on-the-run-escape-off-road-gif-15122162029294723139

[frigid wedge]

it cant use war banner

bc not melee

[short prairie]

Other banners still work

[frigid wedge]

yeah but the shield crushers dont use the others

its just war ban

[short prairie]

Ban all em wars

[frigid wedge]

the others WORK but ppl dont use em

[short prairie]

Socket problems

[frigid wedge]

bc u have to invest sm into valour

[short prairie]

And qol

[frigid wedge]

and its armourstacker so u have no points

[frigid wedge]

its not rlly a qol issue to have a button for 200 movement speed

[short prairie]

And block

[frigid wedge]

its just hard to justify the points for valour gain for 3 banners and the sockets for warcries

[frigid wedge]

its emperors vigilance u would only be blocking for recover on block

[short prairie]

What if the normal sst

[frigid wedge]

its still emperors vigilance

the shield skills have a SEVERELY limited amount of flat and 40 qual or whatever foulborn vigilance is
a. very good flat
and
b. VERY good base crit

sst uses vigilance for seething fury crit chance

its never been about shattering

[frigid wedge]

the shattering builds literally just use a titanium spirit

[frigid wedge]

im aware but crit is way too valuable

unless ur dot or using either crucible enchant or shattering variant u should ALWAYS be using vigilance

[short prairie]

Diamond belt

Non armor stacking

[frigid wedge]

its too easy to cap crit to justify a diamond

[short prairie]

Idk I prefer block over capping crit

Glancing blows is kind of uhhh

[frigid wedge]

ok but lemme put it this way

seething fury, on a foulborn evig, is more crit multi than a maxroll marylene without quality

and nearly 10 base crit

shits crazy

w 5 murderous jewels u get another 100 crit multi from a tecrods

[short prairie]

At the expense of blocked damage ig

[frigid wedge]

yeah

[short prairie]

Glancing is not the worst thing

But only with recover on block shields

[frigid wedge]

if we're doing champ one u can always take the banner

for recovery on block

[short prairie]

Works

[frigid wedge]

esp if ur armourstacker bc banners scale with aura effect

and u can get valour with shield charge (which will also do good dmg btw bc shield scaler)

[short prairie]

Maybe it’s time to play a bannerman next league following blazar’s step

[spice pecan]

the problem with banners on armor stacker is that you rly want banner wheels

and armor stackers are notoriously tight on passives

[frigid wedge]

iirc the champ one doesnt even need voices

[spice pecan]

i mean you would still go voices if you could

but at that point you'd just go scion ye

[frigid wedge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/livejamie-0512/livejamie_deadlocked

[short prairie]

EZ to start, worse to minmax

[frigid wedge]

champ shield one goes phys impale fort stacking

[spice pecan]

and he has a 3p voices

[frigid wedge]

inc phys taken per fort helm, attack speed per fort, % more armour and evade per fort

yeah but only one

[spice pecan]

cool build tho

[frigid wedge]

oh hey senses look

another 62 crit multi

[short prairie]

Veteran defender is too good for sst

If you can get a couple megalos with it

[spice pecan]

oh wow, that champ isn't even running grace

[frigid wedge]

why

[frigid wedge]

its @vernal ravine

but this can 100% be rigged up for sst

or u can run smth like hatred normal

sst

i really wanna try the crush as tbh

but int stacker eating all my moneys

[scarlet horizon]

worht buying for 160 div or jus craft it?

[frigid wedge]

depends how resilient you are to waterboarding

ur awakening attributes and str, anulling to 2 mod, and recombing with an astrolabe with as many nnn influence mods as physically possible with the dmg per str prefix

the recomb lover of the server literally quit while tryna make one bc he got so pissed off

[scarlet horizon]

i heard theres a lot of risk crafting this

so worth 160div?

[frigid wedge]

ur recombing simplexes

its 20d for the base and ur gonna awakeners average 3 times just to get it down to 2 mod

and ur spending probably another 10 to 20d on the astrolabe to force the nnns

so whats that

50d per recomb? at a 50 50 chance to hit bc u might not pick simplex base

[short prairie]

Just as I type it lol

[frigid wedge]

average price should in theory be about 100d but realistically it can just never hit

[scarlet horizon]

i see

dang

simplex so pricy

[tranquil sedge]

base is closer to 13d now

[short prairie]

Cheapest ever been

[tranquil sedge]

no

simplex so cheap

wait till next league

[scarlet horizon]

its 19 26 tho

[frigid wedge]

other option is you impront awaken it, hope for open prefix/anull, reforge influence anull, back to imprint etc until u hit but iirc that's like 300d

[tranquil sedge]

buddy

simplex prices are missing a zero on the end

for the uncrafted ones

[frigid wedge]

the roll range is like, 5% on either mod, it's 1/25 to perfect divine it

[short prairie]

Simplexes are usually 600-800ds

In other leagues

[tranquil sedge]

divining it isn't the issue anyway

[spice pecan]

i sold my first simplex in 3.26 for a mirror lol

[tranquil sedge]

not that much of an issue at least

[spice pecan]

just the base

[tranquil sedge]

also

crafting costs include time

[short prairie]

What

[spice pecan]

seeing them at 20d rn is fucking criminal

[tranquil sedge]

even if ur making a conservative 20 div per hour

[short prairie]

The crafted ones are below a mirror

[tranquil sedge]

and u spend 2-3h making this?

[frigid wedge]

its gonna be way cheaper ON AVERAGE to craft it, but it's gonna cost u some hours and ur sanity

[tranquil sedge]

thats another +50-60 div on crafting cost

[spice pecan]

i split it and sold both halves for 0.5mir

[short prairie]

Maybe early league

[tranquil sedge]

if you want to craft it

for the sake of doing it

and for learning recomb and other fun craft stuff

then yea, go for it

good excuse to do it

but if u dont wanna gamba

buy it

[tranquil sedge]

^ see above

[short prairie]

Why they removed the magic base beast lock method, kind of unnecessary tbh

[tranquil sedge]

very unnecessary

[frigid wedge]

bc they hate us

[spice pecan]

the simplex craft nerf was so fucked up

[tranquil sedge]

occam's razor

jonathan saw it

he didnt like it

he removed it

[frigid wedge]

i think i made 20d in 4 hours yesterday

[spice pecan]

i have very good faith in GGG devs actually playing their game a fuckton, but I would be surprised if johnathan has ever even HAD a simplex amulet within the past several years

[frigid wedge]

but tbf i spent 30 mins tryna talk someone outta something, 20 mins explaining shit to my gf, and then i was so fucking tired it took me 40 minutes to run 3/4 of a deli orb map

[tranquil sedge]

bro

do you think he even logged in to poe1

in the past godknows how long

[spice pecan]

I would honestly say, he probably has

but you have a point

[tranquil sedge]

would you log in to a game that you hate

when u can just offload the work to your partner

[spice pecan]

bro

[tranquil sedge]

and focus on the game you like

[spice pecan]

people play league of legends

[frigid wedge]

srev how does one actually lock in and farm the 40d an hour instead of constantly tabbing out and yapping etc

[tranquil sedge]

good question

ive been failing to do that forever

even past few days when i tell myself 'ima lock in'

nope aint nobody locking in

[short prairie]

Jonathan said he actually played the games and knows how much loot you need

Poe2 for example

He pick up gears and vendor them for currencies

[frigid wedge]

ah right

[tranquil sedge]

truly revolutionary

[short prairie]

[frigid wedge]

i should start sitting in vc again

[tranquil sedge]

i saw that chris uploaded that interview with him

i gave it the response it deserved - open video, downvote, and close tab

[spice pecan]

speaking of vendoring gear, i do actually wish we could vendor shitty floor rares for gold

[tranquil sedge]

[random vale]

Chat how do I sell items for gold every time I trade with a vendor it only does it for material it’s been a min

[frigid wedge]

u cant

[short prairie]

Downvoted on Chris’s video

[tranquil sedge]

you don't

go earn gold in maps

by killing things

[random vale]

Oh my lord

[tranquil sedge]

its not the issue you think it is

[random vale]

Thanks for the info I’ve been setting for 30min lol

[spice pecan]

me when i'm rushing sanctum and not finishing campaign till level 90:

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[tranquil sedge]

he's easy to criticize and deserves a lot of it imo but i dont like this ngl

[frigid wedge]

why not

[tranquil sedge]

fuck AI edits

[spice pecan]

i do not want to talk about how many times i reset a10 reliquary praying for golden volatile/fountain of wealth mirages

actual cbt

[short prairie]

What

[frigid wedge]

the image got sent in gen
so i memed

[short prairie]

You can infinitely reset a10 sanctum?

[tranquil sedge]

ik

i know it wasnt urs

[short prairie]

[frigid wedge]

wasn't aware was ai

[tranquil sedge]

what else can it possibly be lol

[spice pecan]

no

i literally was not getting enough gold from sanctum runs to be able to buy the next tome LMAO

and i was somewhat aggressively converting aureus to gold

now I just use gilded allflames on white maps baybee

[tranquil sedge]

even that funny rifle gif

where he gets up from the couch and starts pointing and shooting a rifle

was funny the couple times watching it

but also just AI slop

[spice pecan]

agreed

same thing with the meteor hitting the poe2 atlas gif

[spice pecan]

was resetting the a10 reliquary campaign zone fishing for gold mirages, not sanctum lol. sanctum doesn't have mirages and the quest tome is just one run

[forest flower]

why specifically reliquary?

[spice pecan]

highest level zone

besides canals/feeding trough actually both feeding trough and reliquary are mlvl 67

also the layout makes it kind of easy to see where the mirage spawned

[forest flower]

oooo

i spam kalguur if i need gold, probably not ideal

[spice pecan]

yeah, was holding off on finishing campaign till I had the means to fix my resistances

[frigid wedge]

i wonder if i should chance a mageblood

or just use unique flasks and tides

[spice pecan]

sanctum rushers typically dont finish a10 kitava till like almost level 90

[frigid wedge]

bc i have to continue investing flask gen

[spice pecan]

so no maps for getting gold

[frigid wedge]

but bbd requires me having a second crusader item

[spice pecan]

tides so goated

[frigid wedge]

and helm crusader mana costs my anoint, and boots with crusader costs me an endu chsrge

and putting it on my ring means i lose delve % mana for influence and probably use helical over cogwork

but i need a second crusader

for bbd intel

[spice pecan]

crusader rings?

[frigid wedge]

i can gen enough charges without tides for what i need tho with flasks

[spice pecan]

i feel like you would want to chance literally anything else before a mageblood xd

[frigid wedge]

^

[spice pecan]

O

[frigid wedge]

there isn't a single chanceable unique

its manastorm, nimis, hateforge, paradoxica

[spice pecan]

wtf

[frigid wedge]

and a rare chest that will NOT be getting influenced

because less dmg per intel too beeg

[frigid wedge]

current setup pre swap is pretty

but has same issue

[tranquil sedge]

cya next league

[spice pecan]

is this like perma vaal LS

or something

[frigid wedge]

ammy and chest need to go rare

[frigid wedge]

yes

[spice pecan]

what are we doing with hateforge in current year

ah

[frigid wedge]

ammy is turning into simplex and chest is turning into hillock fracture rare

bc im swapping away from life setup

bc khatals and life nodes is starving me of so many points that its completely unreasonable to try and get life

[spice pecan]

HOLY life

[frigid wedge]

whereas int stacking lets me get mana and % es

and then ill just run perma vaal discipline on the side for recharge

to deal with perma degen

[frigid wedge]

points are hard when ur required to use liquid inspo mediums and still path a mana tree

so im just gonna drop perma lavis

bc atp id rather just have a big mana flask to click so i can proc manastorm, instead of relying on a 3s flask to not insta die

[spice pecan]

if you're gonna drop lavianga, is there any way you drop khatal's too and just go like whispers of infinity or something

[frigid wedge]

im dropping khatals

for simplex

[cosmic eagle]

@short prairie sense lets play cyclone brotha

[frigid wedge]

int stack simplex

[spice pecan]

ah

yeah makes sense

[frigid wedge]

im swappin from pure mana stack to int mana stack because es recharge is a better qol setup for sustaining temptation dot

bc its every like 15s to click vaal dp instead of every 3

anyways imma go shit and then do my revision for the morning

if u wanna chat to me about the thing feel free to dm

[spice pecan]

[frigid wedge]

theres a hsot i was gonna pob a bit more that sticks with khatals

bc it levers it better

[spice pecan]

autoattack build

[main depot]

Hello, I have a question. I just got a cord belt to drop doing blight, how do I go about crafting a good cord belt? This is my current belt that I bought -

I am using Bonemeld so I need Chaos resist the most

[spice pecan]

hunter exalt into reforge life maybe?

[tranquil sedge]

what is a 'good' belt

that would be step 1

wat kind of belt do you wanna make

i.e. wat mods

[main depot]

also there is a boss attack that keeps one shotting me. It's a super fast white laser. What is that attack and how do I not die to it

I think there is a Mirage boss that spawns with it

well I need chaos resist the most, reduce flask charges used would also be great

[celest sparrow]

I had to skip mirage league until now. And I have from now until poe2 league start to finish 36 challenges for mtx rewards. What build would guys suggest for late league start with capability to finish challenges by itself as much as possible

[spice pecan]

kinetic fusillade totems is the meta starter atm

can do basically everything in the game

[celest sparrow]

checking it right away

[burnt valve]

As someone who started 2 days ago I can vouch kinetic fusillade is really op

Will get you through the campaign no problem and endgame too

[spice pecan]

i personally league started archmage shock nova of procession, that was quite smooth all the way thru 4 voidstones too

but probs needs more gear than something like kf

[celest sparrow]

where do you guys land on scion vs hiero for kf totems?

[spice pecan]

i didnt even know ppl were doing it on scion

i would basically always pick hiero for any totem build tbh

[celest sparrow]

I asked gemini to make me a good summary of kf totem builds guides since start of mirage league and the first one I clicked was lazy exile's build guide and it was with scion but my mind was going directly hiero with totems too 🙂

[spice pecan]

i would not use AI for anything path of exile related

but I played lazy exile's PS of the archmage ballista build back in like... 3.25 and it was quite good

[celest sparrow]

oh I'm not. I'm very much restricting it to give my guide links quickly and summaries in given search times. Then I check the links

Basically "slighty better" google search

then I do the research myself

I'm always fascinated by scion I think I'll try that. Well thanks fellas for directing me to KF totems

[main depot]

if you are on PS4, the market is flooded with imbued KF gems

my league start was Scion Storm Brand

[spice pecan]

i kinda wanted to try storm brand after the buff this league

but the numbers still just looked too low for it to be comfy

they absolutely nuked the skill after affliction, classic ggg nerfing one skill because of the sins of another

[main depot]

honestly I can't tell that Storm Brand is any weaker than Penance Brand

I think Storm Brand is better if you want to do pure lightning, and Penance Brand is if you need phys damage to poison

[spice pecan]

poison penance brand is a meme

[main depot]

Vile Toxins is amazing

[spice pecan]

regular penance brand is really only a way to inflict huge ignites

and pbod is like probably still the best brand? the damage still feels great in sanctum at least

[main depot]

I use pbod since I'm doing the poison thing

[spice pecan]

ggg please give us transfig wintertide brand

[modest sparrow]

pbod poison pf

People really be adding poison to anything these days

[main depot]

vile toxins is like the best imbued

it's so powerful even at lvl 1

[spice pecan]

poison pbod was like kind of a build last league

the problem is you have literal negative clear

[split maple]

wasnt it like decent week1 bosser and then respec kinda thing

[spice pecan]

yeah iirc

[main depot]

going to pick up a poisonous concoction of bouncing gem today, it's going to be hilarious ^ ^

[spice pecan]

is pconc of bouncing used outside of levelling/2stone?

i can never remember if people still use that skill

[main depot]

I'm going to try it out, I just need it to stack more poison for vile toxins/ agony crawler

it's going on a trigger so it''ll just be automatic

[silent leaf]

yea ppl still use that

but not as nearly anymore after the changes

[main depot]

I mean, they are going for 250c- 1 div, so I figure people still use it ^ ^

[astral shadow]

Just equip bino knife

Full clears breaches as long as u inflict a big single poison

[grizzled lily]

mamba

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-bryant-gif-11985604353498547511

[main depot]

unfotunately concoctions need free hands

[formal anchor]

Classic GPT, I asked it to map out a chaos based necromancer, and it ended up designing one worse than what I slap dashed together

[tranquil sedge]

asking llms to theorycraft pob is dumb

none of them are trained to do that with any level of usefulness

[formal anchor]

Oh buddy, asking them to create anything is dumb, it can replicates but not create. It’s a glorified search engine and summary machine

Did they nerf the necromancy again? She feels weaker than I remember

[grizzled lily]

kboc

boom in your chatgpt now

pay me 20e monthly now

[formal anchor]

[trail anchor]

sick setup! do you remember by any chance name of the armor and wings?

[tranquil sedge]

7000 scours to try and get fractal thoughts chanced

surely this time

[onyx adder]

painchamp

[tranquil sedge]

of course

hit it in ~500

[onyx adder]

week 7 league posts are always so funny

[tranquil sedge]

now i have to resell supplies lole

and i now have 2 extra influenced fractal thoughts i can't do anything with 😂

ig ill try to resell them

[onyx adder]

here's a screenshot of the spiked dildo im going to jam up my ass today

[hazy roost]

you can double corrupt them

[tranquil sedge]

rather sell them tbh

they probably won't sell

but ill try

-# aint no way my rng hits a fat corrupt on the ones i can't use in final planned pob

[mint radish]

I'm trying to help a new player. They want to sell yellow beasts, and have red in their inventory. Anyone know how to filter them out aside from putting them back in the minagre?

[hazy roost]

yellow beasts only have 1 beast mod

the red highlighted mod(s) on their list of modifiers

[rancid seal]

guys i noticed Blizzard math is weird Success chance to upgrade gem 90% from 4 upgrades 3 failed ...

[plucky rivet]

I just sold something worth 400 divs on my faustus for 400 c by mistake im fking pissed men

[frigid wedge]

what u sell

oh lord

that idea sounds silly

mmm

[plucky rivet]

@frigid wedge those boots 🤦‍♂️

[frigid wedge]

ouch

[onyx adder]

bro out here landmining himself

[split palm]

what is that

[plucky rivet]

Trade site

[marsh robin]

how do i take my items i put in shop with faustus

[ebon hatch]

onslaught on kill ? in the bin it goes

[plucky rivet]

Still 400 divs tho

Guy probably laughing calling me a fking idiot

[ebon hatch]

well as long as you happy with the purchase

[marsh robin]

how do i take out my items i put in shop with faustus

[plucky rivet]

Im the one at a lost. Lol , what purchase

[ebon hatch]

oh wait you sold it for 400c

rip

well

someone sold me a mirror amulet for 100d

[plucky rivet]

Lol

[ebon hatch]

but everyone is happy im sure

[mint radish]

is there a way to filter them in the inventory, or would it need to be eye balled?

[frigid wedge]

man is live searching the entire wiki

[ebon hatch]

uhh i was doing the same stuff when brainstorming my build

[mental nymph]

[frigid wedge]

!"id v|k m|cic c|le m|ul, f|ld h|n, f|s, f|al, f|l pla|d bra|c v| cy|c ti|id w|l cru|l hy|l sco|cic m"
try this?

any joy?

[ebon hatch]

should i swap my utmost for the bricked stranglehasp… it shouldn’t be hard to brick it right… right?

[frigid wedge]

considering strangle is like 30d and iirc its average 5 to brick or smth

sounds ass

[ebon hatch]

i have currency but don’t have anything to upgrade

only one idea is amulet

i was thinking opening decks worth of 300d

but decided against it

[frigid wedge]

what u playin

i wanna see

[mint radish]

didn't work

[frigid wedge]

sad

[ebon hatch]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/NancyDnB-0969/Padmarashka?i=0&search=name%3Dpadmarashka

[frigid wedge]

theres no way those jewels are optimal

[ebon hatch]

they kinda are

only if i go for synth

but that’s meaningless

[frigid wedge]

even compared to an ele hubris setup for like 40% inc dmg per charge?

[ebon hatch]

i need crit chance, i need rage on hit and double damage and 40% fire res

from lethal pride

[dark kite]

wooo, i think this might be my record

[frigid wedge]

also why no accuracy tats

[frigid wedge]

noice

what u lvl with

[ebon hatch]

cuz i have 3.7 that’s enough

[dark kite]

hollow palm vfos

[ebon hatch]

im not stacking acc

[frigid wedge]

"i have enough"
ur losing out on attack speed on ur gloves to fit accuracy

[ebon hatch]

plus each tattoo reduces my evasion

[ebon hatch]

but i gain 1 point by not using mastery

if i go tattoo way, i lose so much evasion

aka armor

[frigid wedge]

if the survivability was that important to you ur life pool wouldn't be 2.7k

[mental nymph]

Never thought they use accuracy on these

Unless he settled for cheap

[ebon hatch]

this char is inkillable

[frigid wedge]

he settled for lazy

[mental nymph]

Ah

[frigid wedge]

its not

[mental nymph]

Then again they can be costy

[ebon hatch]

i settled for optimization

[mental nymph]

But like

That's not even the right base

[ebon hatch]

how much would i gain and how much would i lose with atk speed on gloves

alot

alot of holes in accuracy

not much gain in dps

it is pretty balanced now

[mental nymph]

You're on slayer right ?

[ebon hatch]

yep

[mental nymph]

Does slayer even suffer from accuracy problems?

[ebon hatch]

yes

have 2.5k and you will notice even in pob

[mental nymph]

Haven't you checked on how other players compensate for it ?

You can just check builds on Poe ninja and take a reference

[ebon hatch]

accuracy mastery

[mental nymph]

So there you go

[ebon hatch]

but it’s extra point

id rather get crit mastery so i can click this juicy 30-40 shock

25% on average on uber sirus

feels good

[ebon hatch]

i build this flicker all by myself, pretty proud of it

spent countless hours in pob

[vocal tinsel]

Depending on tree unspeccing accuracy entirely and going unwavering is an option

[plush gulch]

I could never do that

my way of building is

you open the tree and look at what I want

lol

[vocal tinsel]

oh wait nvm unwavering is you cant be evade not enemies

[plush gulch]

I litteraly don't look at pob until im in maps

[vocal tinsel]

i was thinking of resolute but thats no crits too

[plush gulch]

then every few map i take a break to think of what I'll do

[dusty turtle]

I'm testing a Ward Loop setup.

My current Ward value is 840, and during Iron Flask effect it drops to 32.
However, the loop does not start at all.

Is there some kind of minimum Ward threshold required for a Ward Loop to function?
Or is this low Ward value the reason why the loop cannot activate?

[ebon hatch]

yeah, you better optimize your build by feel

if number go high but it doesn’t feel good to map, what are you even doing

[plush gulch]

idk how to use pob to make a build really

[split maple]

twas a good map

[plush gulch]

feel so weird and disconnected to me

also I need to import a pob

so I can work on it

I can't just make up every piece by myself

😭

[ebon hatch]

pob is the true way of playing poe

[plush gulch]

tooltip is nice for this sometimes im like is this an upgrade I look it goes up then im good

I don't care it's not accurate number

just does it go up or down

:p

[ebon hatch]

like for example my previous weapon in combination with tincture… yeah, by pob its higher dps, but in maps i struggle cuz “i can’t do this right now” from mana burn

so i swapped to “no manacost” weapon

[plush gulch]

I was following a guide I hated how intensive button it was

I removed all the buttons almmost

beside 2

it had like 5 buttons

ffs

it doesn't matter if it's not as good if it's not fun

to me

[ebon hatch]

words of wisdom

[plush gulch]

at the end I was like wait my character doesn't even have curse

lol

so I put them on my AG

my favourite I had so many layers

many were not totally reliable

but when you stack so many of them

who cares

[ebon hatch]

at least you understand how your build works through and through

[plush gulch]

yeah

[ebon hatch]

same like ppl been telling me that barrage for deadeye is bad

hell no

i slap with barrage on my deadeye

[frigid wedge]

it kinda is

as a support

for clear speed

[ebon hatch]

mo

no

[plush gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-4868344854109813711

[ebon hatch]

barrage of voolley fire

[ebon hatch]

it’s stupidity fast clear

[plush gulch]

it doesn't matter anyway your build is using barrage then you try improve it

😎

[frigid wedge]

so what u just, reduce ur projectiles fired and do the extra volley every shot

[plush gulch]

no need to justify it

[ebon hatch]

mm

[plush gulch]

I feel like you could take any random guy and ask him

why are you even doing this

[ebon hatch]

idk what you mean, i have 11 projectiles for single target fire plus 2 attacks per each shot for clear

[plush gulch]

where is minion pact ? where is fubgun pob on your tab

what are u even doing

lol

so

https://tenor.com/view/madea-fadreturns-angry-no-messing-everything-up-gif-24319516

[frigid wedge]

i imagine if u took attacks fire -2 proj u would only fire 2 total barrage shots per attack but each volley would shoot 6

[plush gulch]

I tried to play last epoch I lasted one day im bored

[frigid wedge]

but looking at the skill it doesnt seem to have been given the awful penalty the support gem has

[ebon hatch]

never done that

[frigid wedge]

yeah im looking at wiki and functionally it makes no sense

[plush gulch]

I never tried to build around a projectile skill beside following a guide

[frigid wedge]

i was under the impression it did the awful bell curve shit that the support gem does

but it doesnt

[ebon hatch]

even with my shitty bow at standard it kinda slaps, imagine a decent bow

[frigid wedge]

yeah no i get it

can i see like

a video

[plush gulch]

sometimes the math is wrong

[frigid wedge]

are u using fork

[plush gulch]

remember law of the wild

[ebon hatch]

no, only pure damage clears

scale single target - it scales clear as well

[frigid wedge]

the support gem doesnt use same attack time regardless of ur proj count, the support gem actively increases the attack time per projectile, and spaces the time between them separately

[plush gulch]

too complicated for me

lol

I just woke up

made the dishes and a sandwich

[ebon hatch]

so in short - more proj means less atk speed

[plush gulch]

i'll check the gem on wiki

barrage has mtx

😮

[ebon hatch]

and a cool one

[plush gulch]

I mean I hate squishy build so I would not play a bow char

I love being able to know I map then I stop and strech for a few sec and continue

not like if you stop moving for one sec

u dead

[frigid wedge]

barrage (skill) basically says, im gonna do the full attack in 0.2 seconds and shoot 1 projectile every 0.05 seconds(with 4 proj), if you add extra projectiles I'm still gonna attack for total of 0.2 seconds but now ill shoot one every 0.04(5 proj)

barrage (support) effectively says,
im gonna attack in 0.2 sec with 1 proj, 0.21 with 2 proj, 0.22 with 3 proj etc(5% more total attack time per additional projectile)

[cloud yacht]

Happy Mothers Day

[ebon hatch]

sry got only old video clearing defiled cathedral but ppl say manaforge lightning arrow clear better (it’s not true btw)

[plush gulch]

so what's bad about that ?

[karmic gust]

lightning arrow clear is def better than volley fire clear

[plush gulch]

looks nice if you like it

thanks for explaining how it works though

I didn't know the gem

[karmic gust]

volley fire is nice if you want to clear decently well with your single target skill

[ebon hatch]

you make me log in and record a video proving otherwise

[karmic gust]

i played the skill

i know how it clears

[frigid wedge]

the support gem makes ur attack time worse the more projectiles you have, so it punishes u for having lots

the skill gem rewards u for additional proj because its basically just more attack speed per proj, which is multiplicative with your actual attack speed

[plush gulch]

isn't this worth damage wise ? your issue is that it has the same downside as spell echo

you stay

stationnary and cast longer

[frigid wedge]

no because the support does it for every single individual projectile

and its a multiplier to the attack TIME not a less multiplier to your attack speed so its kinda rlly awful

[plush gulch]

it adds 0.2 cast time for every proj you add ?

that's what u mean

crazy

[karmic gust]

well barrage support is still rly good for damage but slapping down something like siege or arti ballista is usually better

[plush gulch]

that could indeed not feel fun

[frigid wedge]

its 5% more attack time

[plush gulch]

5% feel fine though

[frigid wedge]

per proj

[plush gulch]

you get 7 proj it's like 35% longer

it doesn't seem as bad

it's like multi strike and spell echo

[frigid wedge]

p sure u can't animation cancel it

[plush gulch]

nobody complain about those

you need a good attack speed though

[karmic gust]

well with multistrrik and spell echo you dont lose damageewhen stuff moves usually

[plush gulch]

or a fast skill

so you are not a slug

[karmic gust]

with old power siphon barrage you had to be basically melee with it

[frigid wedge]

those 2 have a multiplier to attack/cast speed

[karmic gust]

even if you werent running point blank

[plush gulch]

oh yueah it make sense

it's that much slower

than those

then

[frigid wedge]

like a big multiplier

[plush gulch]

that can indeed feel like ass

[karmic gust]

you cant anim cancel echo either but that support feels awful to play with as well

[plush gulch]

if zanka like it a lot though more power to him

fun first

[karmic gust]

only multistrike can be cancelled

[frigid wedge]

u can prevent it from repeating altogether

i use it on wintry often enough to be very good at it

its more difficult the higher ur cast speed tho

[whole bluff]

Can't you also cancel lacerate?

[frigid wedge]

probably

i just know the duration of ur actual keyboard input determines if echo will echo

imma head out 4 a bit

[whole bluff]

Enjoy the sun if it's the same in UK as Sweden ^^

[foggy elm]

finally bought my last upgrade I'm willing to buy for my HRoC character so I can quit the league yippee

[thorny vigil]

Actual Rant:
I always Play Witch. Just what I end up doing each season. Watched some YT before League Start and had a cool build idea... Claw Ranger was the idea. Some Gyre some other stuff.
Tell me why tf did I never see how Great Ranger is?! Early and midgame clear is amazing. Ive been so lucky with early crafting and drops that I totally forgot about me initial build idea... 🤦 Im hooked on bow... should I switch to claws once I hit 60? Or keep going with what will end up being a physical Bow Build... ?

[ebon hatch]

physical bow are mega expensive, bow builds are mega squishy in general

pick your poison

i mean it’s hella fun to play tho, just don’t anticipate to withstand mega juiced maps without serious investment

[split palm]

phys bow is hh only, which is like 1d

[ebon hatch]

i thought they meant hatred bow

hh can be decent option yeah

[karmic gust]

well if you arent using HH then phys bow is always gonna be weaker than tri ele

[tranquil umbra]

what is a phys bow build even

[karmic gust]

so yea hh pretty much mandatory there

[karmic gust]

exactly what it says, you use phys bow

[ebon hatch]

i guess with new belt you can achieve great success too

[karmic gust]

and then convert it

[whole bluff]

Hatred nerfed, TS nerfed, phys bow is now prolly just living on HH

[thorny vigil]

Seen that...

[karmic gust]

yea phys conversion was purely carried by original hatred

[whole bluff]

My guess is the easy path is elemental hit of the spectrum?

So elemental bow

[karmic gust]

now its completely pointless

[thorny vigil]

So should I just jump back to Vemon Gyre?...

[karmic gust]

gyre and bows will have same issues so if you like bow stick with bow

[grim pivot]

You could do mines with bow if you wanted

[karmic gust]

and gyre is generarlly weaker build than random tri ele bow build

[whole bluff]

If you like bow a lot, which it sounds like you do, I'd say go elemental hit of the spectrum or lightning arrow, with an elemental bow

[karmic gust]

especially if your plan was to go either dedeye or warden gyre

[split maple]

once you get hh phys bows > 3ele tho

[karmic gust]

as thats bascally just bow defenses with extra steps

[split maple]

just due to phys as extra mods

[karmic gust]

well you can also just not play hh right

[split maple]

then why do bow at all

too squish without hh

[tranquil umbra]

what if I did voltaxic rift

[bold kelp]

Well you can realistically play a svallin gyre build

That feels deceptively tanky due to block

[karmic gust]

you can but it will be 0dps

[bold kelp]

Its not that many points to cap block

[karmic gust]

but i guess thts better than bow defense at least

[bold kelp]

You feel very deceptively tanky

[karmic gust]

why do bow at all with hh when you can just kb instead as well :d

[split maple]

just wanted to say why do bows when you can shield charge on samey build yea

[ebon hatch]

but are you able to clear two screens away at the same time

[split maple]

• got shield slot to carry dps

[bold kelp]

With gyre sure

[tranquil umbra]

I wish there was a purity of chaos for voltaxic rift so bad man

[karmic gust]

gyre actually has better clear than most bow builds

[ebon hatch]

interesting

[karmic gust]

thats like its only strength

[bold kelp]

Downside is that it's zdps nowdays

After all the night blade adjacent nerfs

[karmic gust]

it was carrried purely by snipers mark

[mental nymph]

[karmic gust]

not even nihtblade

[bold kelp]

Hmm yeah snipers was big too

[ebon hatch]

did they remove a projectile modifier from the skill?

[bold kelp]

It just splits 2 instead of like 5? Or was it 6?

[karmic gust]

they nerfed snipers mark splits

[karmic gust]

in reality like 3-4 splits from 10 xd

[bold kelp]

Yeah cuz mark effect

[ebon hatch]

make deadeye great again

[karmic gust]

i mean deadeye is pretty good ascendancy

[ebon hatch]

foe real, it’s a nearly dead ascendency

nah

[bold kelp]

Isn't it like one of the most played ascendancies

[karmic gust]

just the archetypes it supports are weak

but the ascendancy itself is very strong

[split maple]

deadeye has some of most op nodes mechancially

just needs to work around lack of generic power

[whole bluff]

Deadeye is giga I think. It showed when bows were OP. But they aren’t as OP anymore

[bold kelp]

I think they should delete mageblood and give back the old flask suffixes

I would.like this change

[karmic gust]

now ppl have replcement belt anyway so time to nerf enkindlings finally

[ebon hatch]

delete voices then too

[bold kelp]

Dead eyes the 6th most played ascendancy rn

In trade

[ebon hatch]

so 6th

not 1st or 2d

[bold kelp]

Why would we buff them again for being 6th?

[ebon hatch]

how it was few leagues ago

[karmic gust]

its 6th played ascendancy when all deadeye builds arent even remotely near meta

[split maple]

was #3 before bv minion pact got hot

[karmic gust]

thats pretty good lol

look at warden for comparison

dogshit asc

[bold kelp]

Warden needs barkskin both nodes to be a 2 pointer

[karmic gust]

yea

[bold kelp]

And somehow balance flesh flame for it to not be broken

[karmic gust]

so i can FF it on PF

[ebon hatch]

i mean yeah, GGG cooked with warden but backwards

[bold kelp]

Warden isn't even a bad ascendancy in SC trade