1┃general

[dark kite]

ideally id wanna do a bit of everything

[modest sparrow]

You could do AG gladiator with that amount of money

Tanky as fuck and prob smth over 200mil dps

[frigid wedge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/SansShoto_-1609/mirage/character/SansShotoAttachment
this currently struggles on t16, for context, ive spent more on it than my elementalist by a LARGE margin atp

[dark kite]

breaches, breach hives, uber bossing, awakened boss rush, etc

[frigid wedge]

at least u know the str stacker will work

so why not

[modest sparrow]

How much is an accel belt

If its around 100~200d still you could do spark(?)

Sans has the sanest option imo

[rancid sluice]

pc killer

spark that is

[dark kite]

~155-160 rn, but yeah itll melt my pc

got a pob for the ag glad?

[bleak quiver]

if you have a good mtx its manageable

[frigid wedge]

hmm?

[bleak quiver]

good mtx = not spider nor vanilla

[dark kite]

it's not the effects that melt my pc

i can handle the visuals just fine

it's the sheer number of interactions

[modest sparrow]

I meant for them going the str stacker route

[frigid wedge]

thats still effects

[frigid wedge]

ah right

[modest sparrow]

I sadly only got a pob around 2 mirrs but here it is anyways https://pobb.in/4dRbLyh585rp

[dark kite]

my pc literally cannot process that number of hits on large groups

[bleak quiver]

you can just disable sfx and use one of the good mtx and most of the lag is gone

[dark kite]

wrong

[frigid wedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/175005585203396622/1495175586220347614/Path_of_Exile_2026-04-18_22-31-03.mp4?ex=69fbb3c6&is=69fa6246&hm=b189b113a9428e38bbe5df7bf70a37bf12fce3a5b060f8d285eab4feae185fdb&

[dark kite]

i tried disabling sfx and it did nothing

[frigid wedge]

i have played 5 months of this now

[bleak quiver]

unusual

[dark kite]

hard to tell but it seems like after stuff blows up your fps goes back to normal

[frigid wedge]

mtx matters quite a lot for lag

[short prairie]

Pay to win

[frigid wedge]

not really, ends up temp throttling

breach maps dont get above 16 fps

[dark kite]

it happens on any build that causes a significant number of interactions between enemies. anything that hits large groups a lot in a short time. kf totems, rolling magma mines, kboc, hroc, all of them slow my game to a permanent crawl in any moderately juiced content

https://streamable.com/n5s674

[bleak quiver]

more like, pay to play, cuz vanilla spark is unplayable

[dark kite]

thgis is one of the less egregious examples.

[frigid wedge]

99% of skills have some visual effect on collision

[frigid wedge]

p sure that's just breach generally

[dark kite]

yes and no matter how much i tweak my settings, up or down, it doesnt change

[frigid wedge]

yes

so build is irrelevant

ur pc will not run breach

[dark kite]

so why would spark be any different

[cold sable]

does atlas affect valdo map

[cold sable]

turn channel count to low and or disable auduio (except tinks) from the file bys etting it to false

[dark kite]

I HAVE ALREADY TRIED THAT

[cold sable]

gg

what cpu

[cold sable]

but i can still hear it

[dark kite]

intel core i5-3570k

[cold sable]

gg

cooked

[dark kite]

it's pretty old

[cold sable]

i have a i5 9600k

[dark kite]

i should hopefully be getting enough money for a new pc in the next month or two

[cold sable]

is urs overclocked

[dark kite]

no

[cold sable]

also for me the lag issues go away if u jsut kill everything

when i switched to cheiftan and the explosions just kill everything

[dark kite]

it's just as bad with sounds disabled

[cold sable]

it massively helped

[dark kite]

it still happens sometimes on my bv chieftain

[cold sable]

u run high deli?

[dark kite]

nope

[cold sable]

hmm

the explosions should be able to kill everything with 200% pen and the ascendancy and that makes the game way less laggy for me

[dark kite]

if can can get away from the nuclear zone fast enough i can sometimes stop it from permanently slowing down

[cold sable]

idrek tho

ur cpu is cooked..

gg unlucky

[dark kite]

yeah

its a shame because there was a while where it all worked beautifully

though i suppose i was never juicing as hard back then

[cold sable]

u could try some other forms of juice

breach in specific is like the worst one for lag

[dark kite]

ive been trying a bunch of different strats

[cold sable]

i like the uhh

destructive play city sqare one

pretty chill farming

[dark kite]

with the conqs and pandemonium scarab?

[cold sable]

ye

and awakening

[dark kite]

i like that one too but it's kinda rough if i get a feared spawn

tends to nuke me

[cold sable]

gg

[elfin shale]

Is there an eldritch implicit or crafted mod or something of similar opportunity cost that can get me ~50% shock duration?

[modest sparrow]

I found that using FSR with ultra performance helps with mob intensive maps

[dark kite]

whats fsr

[cold sable]

meow

[modest sparrow]

Upscaling method, its in the settings

[modest sparrow]

Bro is barking in bio but meowing here, what a fake smh

Also idk

Wait for Sans to bestow wisdom

[dark kite]

i'll try it i guess

[cold sable]

https://i.imgur.com/vpXmdvm.png

is it possible to get maven to witness

i could farm infinite chisels

[dark kite]

what map is that

[cold sable]

valdo

[elfin shale]

Valdos it looks like

[dark kite]

no

[modest sparrow]

Valduh

[cold sable]

https://i.imgur.com/MZ7R0kz.png

[modest sparrow]

Whats the reward there

[modest sparrow]

Holy straightline tho

[cold sable]

this map will be fun to run i think

[modest sparrow]

Good luck bossmanwoofguy

[cold sable]

wanna see how many bosses i can spawn

can i drop uhh

astrolabes?

in here

bazinga if i can

there will be so many bosses

[modest sparrow]

Only 1 way to know

[earnest raven]

Wow, get a load of this guy

Some guy on reddit posted it

[bleak quiver]

1/17 to kill the build lest go

[modest sparrow]

Don't call it out bro

[bleak quiver]

safe

cold to fire or brutality and its gg

[cold sable]

ok that was actually really easy

https://i.imgur.com/JluvRF1.png

oh wait thats supposed to be chaos

[modest sparrow]

Holy rewarded

Holy unrewarded

💀

[cold sable]

XD

gg

[full fossil]

what are the odds of getting the primordial blocks hideout to spawn in a map

[modest sparrow]

I was like why tf is it so expensive

[cold sable]

REALLY LOW

i farmed primordial blocks

for the hideout

[modest sparrow]

My brother ran like 500 blocks last league

Got nothing

[cold sable]

i opened genuinely like 1000 maps

or more

[full fossil]

where in the map does it actually spawn

[cold sable]

and i was using the script

[full fossil]

what script?

[cold sable]

u can use a thing to tell u if the hideout spawns

its legal

[full fossil]

yo send me that

[cold sable]

since the log file contains the information

what i did was like

buy t16s and just spam open-> enter-> exit-> if no log open next

3s per map

[cold sable]

idk it its prob on google or reddit

jsut look up poe hideout command powershell on gogole

[astral brook]

Hm uber cortex you guys think it takes to drop an explode nebulis or a good dd one

Saw someone get explode in 150

[dark kite]

okay so

i dont wanna jump the gun here

but this fsr thing might have genuinely been the trick

it's not perfect

[bleak quiver]

can people even afford one on console?

[dark kite]

game looks like shit and still chugs in big packs

[modest sparrow]

Anytime

[full fossil]

check dms rq

[dark kite]

but i did a fully juiced breach map and didnt get a lockdown once

[modest sparrow]

The game looks alright until you're in an intensive map

[astral brook]

Yes were not all poor lot of people have 5-10 mirrors by now

[dark kite]

the important thing is: it got up to 250-300ms on the cpu meter which is usually where the lockdowns happen, but instead of going up it went back down

[lean urchin]

fsr?

[dark kite]

it's one of the upscale modes

[lean urchin]

my gpu too old for that 👴

[dark kite]

my gpu is an amd radeon rx 5500

which is, i think, pretty middle of the road

[lean urchin]

on amd page it said rx 9000 required

[dark kite]

well, poe says otherwise

[dark kite]

all i know is its fucking working

(so far)

[lean urchin]

idk myself, thats why im cconfused

[modest sparrow]

I gotchu

[dark kite]

gonna try one more map and see how that goes

[sacred drift]

.

[full nacelle]

#poe2-news What yall think it is?

[modest sparrow]

This is 1, #2┃general is your place

[full nacelle]

Right

[candid stag]

Can u not target farm axes from the tree ? Is best way just to gamble ? And recomb?

[modest sparrow]

How that go

[modest sparrow]

Not anymore

Can't focus weapons

[dark kite]

girls i think we might be in fucking business

[lean urchin]

when the fps is higher than u, pog

[finite quail]

you cannot get weapons from the tree

through provisioning womb gifts

[dark kite]

i guess i can play the sparker after all

[ruby geyser]

Also consider a build that doesn't have intense effects. Helps out a ton tbh

[dark kite]

i mean i dont think holy relic counts as "intense effects"

[lean urchin]

is it a default amd thing, or do u need to download the thing from AMD website

[dark kite]

the option was just there in the poe menu

like its not in the amd driver software

its just one of the ingame options

upscaling method: fsr, upscaling resolution: ultra performance

[lean urchin]

interasting

[modest sparrow]

Spark peak 🙏

[wheat sinew]

:shiny:

[dark kite]

how mandatory is accel belt for spark

[livid quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGgb9_ycAY

hes still playing poe

[bleak quiver]

not mandatory but makes it way easier to be strong

[dark kite]

but muh flaaaaasks ;_;

[bleak quiver]

otherwise you need proj speed wands, proj speed tattoos, etc

[dark kite]

very well

what class should i play sparker on? inquis?

[modest sparrow]

Jiquani spark is inquis iirc

I think thats the variant that uses accel belt, no?

[dark kite]

seems like a mix of inquis, slayer and hiero

mostly inquis tho

[modest sparrow]

Who is even playing slayer lmao

Hiero and inquis seem very superior

[dark kite]

all the jiquanis are inquis tho

[short prairie]

I always play slayer

Not this league, yet

[dark kite]

oh boy, that's a project

[short prairie]

Aka, spark gloves

You just mirror it

[modest sparrow]

Lolcohol has a good spark gloves crafting guide, no?

[dark kite]

that would leave me approximately 10 div for the rest of the build, assuming no mirror fee lmao

[modest sparrow]

And its not that expensive

[dark kite]

ive made them before, if not quite as good

[modest sparrow]

You can do an EB spark, you don't really need the gloves there tho and it ain't jiquani's

Thats usually around 1mirr all n all

[dark kite]

i can make close enough gloves i think

[onyx adder]

If u dont wanna double elevate its a lot cheaper

[dark kite]

yeah im not gonna go for 25/25

i made similar gloves for fross back in merc

ill need to refresh my memory on the process tho

[modest sparrow]

https://pobb.in/BEOwqZIAP9Am

Thats an EB spark around 1000 divs

[dark kite]

okay im looking at those max hits

you have my attention

[modest sparrow]

You could also work on the rings as they're very shit actually

[dark kite]

they do seem a bit shit

alright

i'll look at putting this together tomorrow, i think

just realized - no clusters, huh?

[dark kite]

where can i save 4 points? my templar is lv96 rn

[cobalt blade]

its prob just life points 2 5%'s in scion area 2 6%'s at bloodless

or holy dominion if you can make the res work

[dark kite]

ah yeah

[cobalt blade]

also i am very much judging this for being a life stacker without blessing screams

[cold sable]

https://i.imgur.com/3xIR4bk.png

what do i do with these

just give to mappers or is there actual good strats that use them

[hazy roost]

a lot of strats use those maps

its why theyre quite valuable

[craggy fiber]

there is no way that is 1billion dps

[bleak quiver]

its e-blade, shit is goated

hopefully ggg dsnt realize e-blade + unholy trinity is omega gg

[hazy roost]

the spectre auras are wrong

just set the actual spectres in pob

because some of them are equal to something like level 10.5

some are even weaker than level 1 auras

[surreal mulch]

you divide spectre gem level by 4

[viscid ruin]

why am i getting poo2 pings >:(

[surreal mulch]

though maybe not for all of them because if it was this absolute wrath would be giga useless

[cobalt blade]

https://pobb.in/Ev9uv67ONNM4 fixing the pob inflation disabling VRF/vaal haste/fixing spectre auras

[hazy roost]

and some are better

[cobalt blade]

dunno if i missed something but ye it does do alot of damage

[cobalt blade]

(like you just arent building up 2 vaal skills vs a boss before they die so toggling them is silly)

same with onslaught tho you could run extra worm flasks to get the on kill thats annoying as hell to keep triggering it

[nocturne maple]

setting max hits for spark is kinda bait as well, so the dmg is even lower than that

[cobalt blade]

ye but its still 100m average per single spark

[surreal mulch]

chaos bloodline standing there for a solid minute: 🗿

[cobalt blade]

that i dont rly have a problem with setting since its accurate in maven/UUE/shaper/dread honestly

also cortex

[hazy roost]

love my 3rd ring from chaos bloodline

[surreal mulch]

...

oh i get it

the worst thing ggg could do is make the wrong assumption and nuke nameless bloodline to be awful next patch

[cobalt blade]

cant use skills

+1 ring

[bleak quiver]

the lucky dmg from the spectre dsnt work too btw

[hazy roost]

yea it does

[bleak quiver]

did they fix it?

[cobalt blade]

its not full chaos conversion

it works on half your damage still

[hazy roost]

it only works for lightning damage

[nocturne maple]

idk? Even set in a position where it's sorta enclosed it's barely breaking 300m

[hazy roost]

chaos damage doesnt get the effect

[bleak quiver]

ye ik, it used to do nothing still

[hazy roost]

so saying all damage with hits is lucky is also just wrong

[opaque sphinx]

proxy shield should break after x dmg taken

[surreal mulch]

your damage is yucky if you killed a bug in the past 10 seconds

[cobalt blade]

oh i didnt realize its proj speed was only 2.84

like 3.5 and it would get max with the dura number i think

given proper positioning*

[bleak quiver]

this used to be only visual and not do shit, but looks like its fixed now by using the runegraft to test

had to manually write the lucky dmg only for lightning for my spark last league

[hazy roost]

its worked since last league at least

[bleak quiver]

hopefully they also fix being able to use multiple spectres with 1 gem too one day...

oh another workaround was making a ally and using that weird party feature with the effect, but with full dps it turns pob into a fucking cpu stress test and the program freezes over mousing over anything

[cobalt blade]

lmao

Yeah its why youll see some group players still just tossing half the effects into config instead

[opaque sphinx]

mirage maps or 8mods for cloister

?

[vocal tinsel]

why not do 8 mod mirage maps?

generally id assume you would want mirage and as high of pack size as you can

[short prairie]

Why not do 8 mod mirage originator maps?

[opaque sphinx]

cuz making them is a pain in the ass and i cba regexing and buying them

[limpid prairie]

isnt mirage bugged with cloisters or something

[opaque sphinx]

wym

[vocal tinsel]

cause thats expensive af

[limpid prairie]

idk saw a fungoon video

[vocal tinsel]

and 8 mod mirage originator maps are probably used better elsewhere rather than cloister farming

[rancid sluice]

the mirage side tends to not drop much in my experience -unless- you get the currency wish. i just run 8 mod corrupted i farm

[opaque sphinx]

yeh 8 mod orig mirage is for breach

[vocal tinsel]

or juiced strongbox tbf

strongbox be loving extra quant and rarity and mirage

[short prairie]

But you get way more loot af

[bleak quiver]

do either 8 mod or mirage maps, 8mod mirage maps if they are cheap

nothing besides packsize matters

[opaque sphinx]

ive been doing mirage, just wondering if 8 mod is better

[vocal tinsel]

more packsize=more doedres devoted

shrimple

[bleak quiver]

idk how mirage and cloister interact

[rancid sluice]

how many decks are you averaging with mirage?

[opaque sphinx]

its not rlly that simple cuz mirage doubles ur map lol

120~

[vocal tinsel]

doing deli too or no

[bleak quiver]

if they force some to spawn inside mirage, then 8 mod is better, if they dont, then full mirage is better

[opaque sphinx]

no

[rancid sluice]

yeah thats more than im getting on 8 mods i avg around 80

[opaque sphinx]

tree

5 cloisters, ritual astrolabe

full mirage dunes

is what i been doing

[bleak quiver]

yeah nothing much to change

[vocal tinsel]

servers keep freaking tf out

[rancid sluice]

yeah ive got no astro, no full mirage. expected difference probably

youre avg like what, half a div more? dont know if thats worth investment in astro/full mirage

whatever works though im cheap 😉

[vocal tinsel]

120 decks is almost 2 div

[rancid sluice]

78 a div rn

but again i have no overhead on astros or full mirage maps

[finite quail]

man

levelling with blight is so slow

[onyx adder]

XP per hour bad

XP per brain cell used infinite

[finite quail]

no

not blight the mechanic

blight the skill

[onyx adder]

Oh

[finite quail]

[onyx adder]

Well if u decided to level with blight u have no brain cells so

I guess comment still stands

[finite quail]

It looked fun

It is fun, just slow

No proliferation yet

[bleak quiver]

blight of contagion makes it not slow

[onyx adder]

Less slow

[finite quail]

I know, but ssf

[onyx adder]

Blight of contagion is only acceptable when twinked

[finite quail]

also my wand rn only has 16% chaos dot multi lmfao

nothing else

poor doesn't even come close to my current gear situation

[vocal tinsel]

i mean with their setup its around 770c per 6 maps(roughly 1.95-2d) and they net 720 decks on average according to the 120 number in those 6 maps(9.2d) assuming only the base cost of the 5 cloisters per map for you and just assuming the maps are free for the calc, you spend around 0.6d for 6 maps and net 6.15d so they are making slightly more div in those 6 maps plus still have vault

[rancid sluice]

sounds about right

[vocal tinsel]

was mainly just curious so wanted to compare lol

[rancid sluice]

i have to count with my shoes off so ill take your word

[bleak quiver]

bro, just farm nessa for +1 wands

[surreal mulch]

einhar shows up captures 1 red beast then dips

[finite quail]

wdym farm nessa

I'm in act 2

[bleak quiver]

create a scion, run to the end, 30 seconds

[surreal mulch]

milk

[silent leaf]

That font, it hurts me eyes

[finite quail]

suffer

[bleak quiver]

also, wym act 2, act dsnt matter, you should always check vendors every level with a caster to get +1 wands

[finite quail]

no

[finite quail]

I didnt know what you meant but yes I do check vendor windows every time I can

+1s just dont show up

Unlucky character so far

[bleak quiver]

well, if you dont want to put the investment, suffer ig

[vocal tinsel]

thats wild +1 wands only need lvl 2 but +1 sceptres need 55 min

rigged

[finite quail]

suffering indeed

[bleak quiver]

yeah you can print dozens of them with scions

ancient league start strat for money fast

[finite quail]

what the fuck?

the darkness in act 2 disappeared and it came back

in like

the span of 3 secnods

the fuck was that

and again??

[opaque sphinx]

for ref, 46 decks before mirage

111 after

for this map

[bleak quiver]

8 mods with no mirage avrg 90 decks

[finite quail]

wtf

[bleak quiver]

so yeah, looks good to go mirage with the current stacked deck prices, since the +40 more than pays the map

[opaque sphinx]

absolutely massive synth

[finite quail]

incredible

[vocal tinsel]

best synth ive seen

man I was plotting up a 11L wand to replace my nebulis but I just dont think it will even be an improvement

[rancid sluice]

theres also the added time of having to run a full mirage but i assume it still pays out. im just watching a show walking around autobombing brain off 😉

[vocal tinsel]

the inc elemental damage per res is just too op

[opaque sphinx]

racist

[finite quail]

trolled

[opaque sphinx]

is there a better map than dunes?

for lcoister

[finite quail]

wdym

[rancid sluice]

im running jv to block out boss altars

[opaque sphinx]

like better layout

hmm

[finite quail]

whats lcoister

[lean urchin]

dynamic weather

[opaque sphinx]

i used to run toxic sewer but is dead

[finite quail]

day night cycle

[opaque sphinx]

cloister but typo'd

[finite quail]

what does cloister have to do with dunes

oh you mean the scarab?

[dark sequoia]

i think after completing atlas i have only run dunes and haunted mansion

[opaque sphinx]

yes

[finite quail]

i mean, specifically for cloister

any map with big density where the rituals arent blocked by anything are good

[ruby geyser]

I was thinking while mindlessly mapping. It would be so sick if you can further customize your filters in game through pets that automatically pick up gold or whatever else you tell it to auto pick up like how let's auto picked gold in D3

[opaque sphinx]

nope

[rancid sluice]

theres a few boss blocked which in theory gives you more chances to get currency roll on altar, or at least ive read as much

[opaque sphinx]

auto loot pets will never be in poe1

[finite quail]

no fuck off

thats already in the chinese poe 1

[ruby geyser]

Okay?

[finite quail]

keep that shit there

[ruby geyser]

Did someone piss you off today?

[finite quail]

It was a dumb suggestion

[silent leaf]

I did

[opaque sphinx]

its a topic most older players get instantly mad abt tbf

we've heard it a lot

[finite quail]

He PISSED me off and I took it out on YOU

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-gaming-squashed-squash-gif-27299326

just kidding

[dry tree]

It's a subscription service in chinese poe so the old fogies hear one whiff and snap

[finite quail]

I just really didnt like your suggestion

[ruby geyser]

No suggestion is a dumb suggestion you just have an attitude with an opinion like everyone else has. Check it

[finite quail]

I will not actually

[opaque sphinx]

eh some suggestions are dumb

[dry tree]

no suggestion is a dumb suggestion

That's where you're wrong, bucko

[opaque sphinx]

i've heard some pretty wild shit over the years

[ruby geyser]

Here we go. I guess some of the reddit assholes are in chat today

[finite quail]

"poe should have pay to win elements" is a pretty dumb suggestion bro

next time think twice

[opaque sphinx]

bruh this is the subreddit discord

[finite quail]

before saying anything

[ruby geyser]

How TF is that paying to win

[dry tree]

Ah yes the "I don't have a counterargument so I'll just call you a name and say you're from reddit"

[finite quail]

[dry tree]

Very compelling

[finite quail]

he doesnt even realize it himself

holy

[rancid sluice]

ppl pay for gold

[finite quail]

its pay to win because you have to do less actions for the same result, for a price

it makes shit more efficient

obviously its pay to win

use the brain in your head

[dry tree]

#1┃general message

[silent leaf]

🍿

[finite quail]

talking sum about reddit assholes yet ur suggestions are ass and so are your followups

[opaque sphinx]

yer if pets loot for you = you dont have to stop killing to loot
=more maps per hour and less deaths per hour
and pets aren't free
so if u pay for it and get an advantage that is the literal definition of p2w

[lean urchin]

its about friction

[dry tree]

Anyway it's fine to acknowledge that not all ideas are good ones, the world doesn't have to be full of positivity.

[silent leaf]

No, IT'S ABOUT DRIVE IT'S ABOUT POWER

[finite quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cou-u-repet-tat-cat-staring-cat-what-what-cat-gif-15888427591844445690

[silent leaf]

YOU STAY HUNGRY WE DEVOUR

[ruby geyser]

Just love poe toxicity. There are also very polite ways to tell people you don't like their suggestions

[dry tree]

Yeah so your response is to call them assholes from reddit?

Hello mister kettle

May I introduce you to the pot?

[opaque sphinx]

to be fair we are usually pretty rude to eachother here but u gotta take it more of a friend ripping on eachother kinda way

[ruby geyser]

Yep? Because the response was clearly rude and deserving of it

[dry tree]

Ohhhhhhhhh so you being a dick is okay

My bad

I didn't realize only some people could be jerks

[ruby geyser]

I mean I know who's chill and gladly accept hearing poor ideas, just not gonna allow someone I've never interacted with come at me sideways really

hearing an idea is poor*

[finite quail]

Dont care bro

Dumb suggestions get proper responses

[ruby geyser]

Yeah I can clearly see that. Clearly can tell the type of person you are

[onyx adder]

I think this coolhandfelon guy seems reasonable, we should all just take a breather and - oh never mind he wants loot pets bring out the pitchforks

[finite quail]

Good

[dry tree]

Sorry WTD I'm gonna need to see your "asshole pass"

[opaque sphinx]

[cobalt blade]

and even if they give everyone a free pet for this the impact it has on the economy and amount of shit you end up picking up that ppl normally hide is insane

[onyx adder]

U want to see my asshole?

[dry tree]

Only some of us are allowed to be mean and I'm checking who is allowed

[opaque sphinx]

yer

[finite quail]

HUH?

[cobalt blade]

it would not be good for the game imo its just heavy inflation

[onyx adder]

Ok i dm u

[dry tree]

I mean yeah but that's not related to this conversation

[opaque sphinx]

no reason to hide bubblegum from uber strict anymore

[dry tree]

Thanks bb

[opaque sphinx]

except inv space

[ruby geyser]

Very mature argument

[cobalt blade]

?

[silent leaf]

Just make everyone play SSF

[opaque sphinx]

i think he meant that earnestly

[cobalt blade]

hard to tell lol

[ruby geyser]

Like how you provided a reasonable response to an opinion you obviously don't agree with is very mature and I respect that

[opaque sphinx]

nah he seems like a generally ok guy from the talks so far

[onyx adder]

So i guess the question boils down to, would we be ok with loot pets + massive nerf to ground currency

[opaque sphinx]

the reddit insult was a bit much but he did randomly get told to fuck off so

[cobalt blade]

fuck no

[ruby geyser]

Genuinely super kind and respectful to everyone I'm just not gonna be chill someone coming sideways. Like bro you don't know me

[opaque sphinx]

im just munchin popcorn

[heady cliff]

now do the same argument for a merchant tab

[opaque sphinx]

i did and i lost

[silent leaf]

Remove trade

[onyx adder]

Because realistically thats the only option here right

[opaque sphinx]

[heady cliff]

poe is mildly p2w now

[silent leaf]

[cobalt blade]

yup

[onyx adder]

Like either u get stupid inflation

Which is obvious

[limpid prairie]

i got some mac and cheese wanna share

[heady cliff]

which is perfectly fine

[onyx adder]

Or u delete loot

[silent leaf]

Case to be made with Stash tab too

[modest sparrow]

PEAK

[cobalt blade]

yea merchant tabs are mild p2w and they did have an a heavy impact on the economy for basic gear

[onyx adder]

I could maybe be convinced with the delete loot and loot pet scenario

[finite quail]

premium/merchant tabs have always been the point of contention with poe p2w

[onyx adder]

Because then u maybe have same loot with less clicks

[finite quail]

Its not as important now though, with the currency exchange

[opaque sphinx]

that sounds bomb, i'm in

[silent leaf]

There are PLs where you don't have stash tab and ppl have been proven to be able to do Ubers on them so, it's not necessarily needed to get stash tab

[cobalt blade]

exacerbated by the tree but even without that it still just increases the sheer amount of available okay gear massively

[heady cliff]

merchant tab brough so much good to poe trade that it being p2w is irrelevant, game is better with it anyway

[finite quail]

Agreed

[ruby geyser]

I see how pet looting is bad for the economy and it's something I didn't think of when I had the thought. So thank you for respectfully putting that into perspective and do agree now.

[finite quail]

I think almost everyone is happy about merchant tabs

[heady cliff]

pet looting is mostly irrelevant too tbh

[finite quail]

After over a decade of having to deal with trade issues

[cobalt blade]

the thing with merchant tabs is you basically cant trade without them now but before people did have the ability to use forum tabs to list on normal trade

[heady cliff]

they would just mean that you hide 1-2 extra currencies in your filter

[cobalt blade]

since atleast on SC noone checks non instant except flippers

[opaque sphinx]

[finite quail]

imagine pet looting in affliction league lmfao

[heady cliff]

because anything high value you pick yourself

[opaque sphinx]

i did try

[cobalt blade]

(now this is ofc partially offset by faustus for scarabs but ye)

[rancid sluice]

i have gold hidden and still have 25m

[onyx adder]

The biggest effect would likely be on gold

[cobalt blade]

imo biggest effect would be alts

[heady cliff]

petition to replace thorns on gear with pickup radius

d3 > poe

[silent leaf]

Sign my petition to add mechanics that makes you lose more on death like PoE2 temple augments / prosthetics

[onyx adder]

Booooo pale king hater

[heady cliff]

or, HORRORS, add pickup radius to flask charges gained

[lean urchin]

me dying on poe 1 should reduce someones poe 2 xp

[heady cliff]

hides in a deepest ocean

[finite quail]

petition to rework thorns entirely so it doesnt suck complete ballsack

[silent leaf]

Add shit like

25% Inc Attack / Cast speed, but lost on death

The only way to get them is get mirage 1/100 maps

[limpid prairie]

they should disconnect when reaching the last boss of the trial

[finite quail]

nope

[onyx adder]

I mean theres an obvious useless stat that should scale pickup radius

Its also a radius

[silent leaf]

Yes

[finite quail]

nope

not interested

[onyx adder]

And would maybe even make sense

[finite quail]

those are literally affliction buffs bro

the ones you find in the wildwood

[heady cliff]

it should scale nearby radius

[silent leaf]

The buffs are permanent

[modest sparrow]

25% inc crit chance but everytime you crit there’s a 5% chance someone appears in your room and slaps you across the face

[silent leaf]

Until you actually die

[finite quail]

no

[modest sparrow]

What the fuck are we talking about

[onyx adder]

One of the best things about poe2 is u can scale nearby

Its so gas

[hard cliff]

I could see them doing a cross game event one day

[finite quail]

wdym gas

gas like

shit?

[cobalt blade]

imo fuck that since it just encourages running worse content if said buff is mandatory for your character to function

[onyx adder]

Or at least u can scale a lot of things that would be nearbies in poe1

[heady cliff]

CH4, obv

what else could it be /s

[limpid prairie]

I saw just the perfect thing "Michael Reeves" had a fake gun shoot him when he lost health

[finite quail]

no idea what you just said

[cobalt blade]

like not sending yourself into tormented deli feared because it can 1 shot you with a bad crit but you can guaranteed clear within 3 portals

instead you just dont touch that :c

which feels bad

[heady cliff]

FREEDOM MOLECULES

better?

[finite quail]

I still dont know what that means

[heady cliff]

i give up

[finite quail]

miss me with that chemistry shit

[modest sparrow]

Lmaoo

[modest sparrow]

What the fuck is a kilometer

[silent leaf]

Oldschool Run eScape

[finite quail]

I'm not even from the us bro

im south american

[candid stag]

Any es slammer enjoyers here

[finite quail]

😭

[finite quail]

yes, you

[silent leaf]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🦅🔥🔥🔥🔥

[finite quail]

nutting

[limpid prairie]

Do americans do damage per mile or something too

[silent leaf]

Idk Im asian

[finite quail]

damage per feet

or something

[cobalt blade]

damage per football field

[bleak quiver]

damage per happy meals

[silent leaf]

Damage per calorie

[limpid prairie]

You have to get at least 500,000 damage per happy meal when leaving campaign
In end game 4 damage per big mac is expected though

[ruby geyser]

As an American, this is great haha

[lean urchin]

+1 to Minimum DUI Charges

[plucky rivet]

i just bought stash tab currency tab. how do i activate it ? everything looks the same

[cobalt blade]

itll show up at the bottom of your stash

itll be default green coloured right click it and set currency afinity/name it w/e

and it just works

[ruby geyser]

Dangit and I have 1 DUI charge. This sub is absolutely eating me alive today 😂

[modest sparrow]

Damage per football field or bald eagle

[modest sparrow]

I know someone who is American and he has 4 big macs a day

I am NOT kidding

[ruby geyser]

That's awful dude. Think I ate McDonald's fries once like 6 years ago and it caused stomach pain for weeks. Idk how people eat that stuff all the time

[bleak quiver]

same

[vocal tinsel]

alr im a little confused with the whole minion life thing, poedb is saying a lvl 82 unholy abberation has 76.8k life but pob is showing base life as 201.9k?

is poedb maybe just a little out of date? even the lvl 90 unholy doesnt have 201k

[hard cliff]

Mcdonalds is awful but something might be wrong with you if your stomach is that sensitive

you're never surviving the wastelands like that

[hard cliff]

uh oh

[bleak quiver]

probably the oils

[limpid prairie]

the wastelands? Im afraid of Indian street food

[hard cliff]

Yeah the stuff they use to fry in isn't meant for human consumption

[ruby geyser]

Well we honestly eat organic whole foods all the time. McDonald's has micro plastic in their oil man. Completely will wreck someone who doesn't eat that stuff

[vocal tinsel]

?

[cobalt blade]

do you have minion life in your pob anywhere

[hard cliff]

Do you have tattoos ?

[ruby geyser]

How did you know? Yeah full body

[ruby geyser]

Hahaha welp. Don't condone that at all. Just a terrible mistake

[hard cliff]

Be safe

https://giphy.com/gifs/snl-nbc-1980s-3o7aCYDNm1kXgSUgXm

I'm paranoid to drive after two beers

I gotta get a driver if I wanna get smashed

[ruby geyser]

Take it from me, it's not worth the guilt of potentially having risked someone else's life the next day. Not to mention the $10k it cost in lawyer and court fees

[cobalt blade]

@vocal tinsel one thing to note is that the x1.24 isnt included in pob for obvious reasons as well

[vocal tinsel]

yes

[cobalt blade]

(scales with increasing the monster level^)

then thats why

[vocal tinsel]

i can see the calc on raise spectre

oh like custom mod no

i removed it

[cobalt blade]

14425*14 is 201950

[modest sparrow]

Holy stereotyping LMAO

[modest sparrow]

I just want you to know that I have like 2 interactions with you total but I think of you as a nerd, the good kind

🙏

[cobalt blade]

meow

[finite quail]

Naca is a good nerd

The best

[modest sparrow]

Like “damn they probably know a lot about the Mariana Trench” type nerd

[vocal tinsel]

okay so maybe I just have the wrong thing on poedb?

[cobalt blade]

yuh

you use the life number not minion life number

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-smile-flirtatious-gY9LPsDoysUt2Hlr7b

[cobalt blade]

also i had to look up wtf that even was i dont know geography well

[vocal tinsel]

okay so since my raise spectre raises as lvl 82 Id use a lvl 82 life number right? the 399k

[hard cliff]

I have never been more terrified in my entire life than right now

[finite quail]

TRUE

[cobalt blade]

you have to take out the x1.98 whatever number

[ruby geyser]

I've learned a shit load from afar from Naca and a few others in this thread. Kinda mind blowing

[cobalt blade]

so mouse over it and just do the base stat*monster mult

[modest sparrow]

Tiktok comments are a good place for rem reaction images

[cobalt blade]

but yes

which pob does accurately

[opaque sphinx]

i thought he meant the band

😂

[cobalt blade]

theres a band called that?

[vocal tinsel]

okay so just go off pob then

[cobalt blade]

ye

[opaque sphinx]

wtf how do u not know marianas trench

[modest sparrow]

Dw about it, still a good nerd

[cobalt blade]

idont rly like music

[modest sparrow]

I didn’t know there’s a band called mariana trench

Metal band huh?

[limpid prairie]

odd thing to say isnt music nice?

[vocal tinsel]

okay so second question now, for minion pact I have to change the max damageable number in the config section to what the max life of my unholy is after life modifiers?

[cobalt blade]

(or to be more accurate "normal" music i like listening to game ost's or otherwise non vocal things lol)

[modest sparrow]

Music is very subjective, what is nice to your ears could be not enjoyable to others

[silent leaf]

Filling out those pillows with bricks I see

[opaque sphinx]

WHAT

[cobalt blade]

nuh

[modest sparrow]

Last thing you see before getting nuked by a pillow

[opaque sphinx]

how

music is love

music is life

[limpid prairie]

tru and all opinions are based

[cobalt blade]

cats are love cats are life

[modest sparrow]

Exactly

[hard cliff]

That's where they harvest tomato sauce from

[vocal tinsel]

so like here Id change the "damageable minion life" in skill options config to the 1.915m number?

[cobalt blade]

ye

[opaque sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRUDnw9uoc

[vocal tinsel]

jeez okay im doing a lot more dps than I thought

[cobalt blade]

one thing to note is pob doesnt calculate the more number of this ac tually

(companionship)

[limpid prairie]

so you can add +60% more life on config too?

[vocal tinsel]

it does now from what I see

[silent leaf]

That ac tually reminds me of

H-ack tua-hlly

[cobalt blade]

yuh

[vocal tinsel]

the 20% is included in the % increase on calc page

[cobalt blade]

it only does the inc monster life part

not the more

[opaque sphinx]

is mesa decent for cloister or too spread

[cobalt blade]

skul

[opaque sphinx]

i figure it'll force most into the 2 open areas

[vocal tinsel]

oh the 60% not the 20 i see

so i would add 60% to the 528% its showing and then calc the total life

or 588%

[gritty garnet]

more isn't increased

[cobalt blade]

youd just add 60% more minion life to calcs and check what pob gives you

[limpid prairie]

528*1.6

[cobalt blade]

(or whatever level your companion ship gem is for said more minion life)

[vocal tinsel]

so its (base+528%)+60%?

[ruby geyser]

Believe so! Still think City Square is great for it

[vocal tinsel]

i have lvl 4

[cobalt blade]

yes

4 is 70 then

[finite quail]

where's my essence mob ggg

[vocal tinsel]

actually its lvl 5 so 75 lol

[silent leaf]

Chaos dot starter wtf

[limpid prairie]

minion pact will not be nerfed KEKw

[cobalt blade]

such a balanced support

[finite quail]

its slow but so far its fun

[silent leaf]

Fnu

[finite quail]

bans your account again

[silent leaf]

[vocal tinsel]

yeah minion pact damage is kinda crazy

[finite quail]

I dont even know what to get as the first node

[ruby geyser]

Not sure if I'm doing anything wrong with modding maps but rarely ever get 8 mods. Do you guys just alch once and vaal it? Is there a method being missed?

[finite quail]

I gotta respec into tornado later anyways

[silent leaf]

Never use vaals for that

And just use the scarab

[cobalt blade]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Cartography_Scarab_of_Corruption

[finite quail]

use the scarab

to always drop 8 mod maps

[silent leaf]

^

[ruby geyser]

Ah this explains it. Appreciate you guys! Been vaaling them the entire time

[finite quail]

All good

[vocal tinsel]

doing over 1b dps is criminal wtf

3.3m life on unholy after buffs with crit bv setup

insane actually

[hard cliff]

this shits getting nerfed to dust bro

[cobalt blade]

with absolutely no tree or gear on 2l BV doing 142k dps is just fucking funny

and 16k flat

[vocal tinsel]

yeah id hope so

lol ive only invested like 600d into this build

[cobalt blade]

its boring as hell scaling but cant deny how effective it is lmfao

[vocal tinsel]

the scaling is just insane on minion pact lol

I think I can afford to lose some dps and swap to mageblood for utility. whole reason I was trying to calc all this

only problem I have on crit bv is how slow chieftain is lol

[hard cliff]

I saw a chinese build earlier

[cobalt blade]

i would honestly accel belt and mess around with gem sockets for phase run withering step automation

[hard cliff]

maybe you can take something from it if you're also going chieftan

https://pobb.in/xw-h4VnaXGj2

[cobalt blade]

gives you nutty move speed well mapping

[vocal tinsel]

im already on chieftain lol

[hard cliff]

Too expensive for me

I know that's why i linked it

[short prairie]

str stacking or no

[hard cliff]

same idea just steal from it if it's better

"Nebulis + Anhilation boots + Enmity + fire res stacking "

Is this combo expensive ?

I don't wanna play BV but I would like to play a chieftan not RF build for league start

[cobalt blade]

idt thats actually worth using over reaver

its more str but lower atk speed

and atleast if you plan on doing msoz (which i assume with 2h sword) attack speed is mandatory

[cosmic eagle]

light radius stacker better

[short prairie]

time to vendor

[vocal tinsel]

yeah this is what im doing now but I didnt buy annhilation since the +minion level is pricy. i have like 16 of them I need to double corrupt still

[lean urchin]

fake vendor

[cold sable]

https://i.imgur.com/euWAKG8.png

all that for 20c

[tranquil night]

does anyone know if stormcaller runes in ultimatum can be charged up and popped without taking damage, akin to the frost orbs there? they seem to go off instantly

[hard cliff]

triple 80% minion life is insane lol

[vocal tinsel]

also no not really expensive, the enmity is the only expensive portion there at like 18ish d base cost. nebulis you can decent ones for around a d and annihilation uncorrupted is like 500c. fire res stacking is just dependent on the gear you want to stack with

[hard cliff]

Doesn't sound insane

[cobalt blade]

annihilations not actually worth using uncorrupted though

[cold sable]

annhiliation lowkey bait

[cobalt blade]

should just reforge minion on some elder boots instead lol

[cold sable]

its only actually good if ur doing weapon swap

[vocal tinsel]

yeah it really just comes down to how much you want to spend on good corruptions or spend trying to get good corruptions

[modest sparrow]

This raw currency is going NOWHERE 🙏

[cobalt blade]

its not exactly bait its good move speed

Nah its bad for weapon swap

[finite quail]

holy ssf roll

[cobalt blade]

Weapon swap setup doesnt put the spectres in boots

[cold sable]

i mean its only 10% more ms than rare boots

[cobalt blade]

therefore the whole reason implicit is meh

[cold sable]

why would u not just use smth like this instead

[cobalt blade]

Ye which is move speed

[cold sable]

thes cost less than annhiliation with minion implicit

[cobalt blade]

Yup those are also good

[cold sable]

but its WAY more minon hp

and also fire res/life which negates losing adrenaline a bit

[vocal tinsel]

adrenaline

[rancid sluice]

annhilation is 55% isnt it 30 + 25

[cobalt blade]

Ye

[cold sable]

oh so its 5%

diff

actually

no

[cobalt blade]

but boots are 5% action speed (can get onslaught elsewhere)

[cold sable]

^

i have onslaught and action speed on them

[cobalt blade]

I personally do think annihilations rly good on the accel shrine belt variant

but if you want raw damage rare boots and weapon swap spectres is better

[cold sable]

the thing with annhilation is it lets u not have to use brine king / stormshroud setup cuz they come with freeze immune and u can get unwavering stance

but its not that big of a deal to use brine king and use the saved points for other stuff imo

main difference is like 40% more minion hp on rare boots

gg

also annhiliation is really annoying to turn off on no/reduced regen maps

[cobalt blade]

Ye thats another downside lol

[rancid sluice]

i dont know anything about mp but its funny how much of this tech RF uses. i guess its just chief tech tbh

[cobalt blade]

its just recovery tech

Inquis does it too sometimes

more rarely but yeah

[hard cliff]

Chief looks like it could be the sleeper hit of next league

[cobalt blade]

chief is not a sleeper hit its literally been high playrate the past few leagues

[rancid sluice]

aint nothing sleeper about it lol

[cobalt blade]

and valako is top 5 most stolen node with forbidden

[hard cliff]

I mean without BV stuff

[rancid sluice]

even on RF its stupid easy to get 90 all res and max block

[hard cliff]

We must go beyond RF

[cosmic eagle]

chief is anything but sleeper

[rancid sluice]

like theres a lot of qol cooked into chief rn

[hard cliff]

Cause I do not want to play RF or CWS

[cold sable]

minion pact..

[hard cliff]

Minion Pact is not making it to next league......

not like this

[finite quail]

bruh there is literally nothing on assassin that helps with levelling with chaos dot

[cold sable]

wow

wtd

[limpid prairie]

Pause
why would you chaos DoT assasin?

[finite quail]

guess I'm goin trickster until I can get tornado and poison

[finite quail]

cause I wanted to try the chaos dot skills

[cold sable]

yolo corrupt incident

[finite quail]

I only ever played around with bane years ago

I'm only using em to level

Then I'm swapping to tornado

[cold sable]

dupe gloves -> identical corrupt

what are the odds

[rancid sluice]

pconc slaps in campaign

[limpid prairie]

oh i see

fair enough

[spice pecan]

pohx is collabing with grubby in warcraft 3

seeing him learn stuff that took me 20 years is very humbling lmao

[full kraken]

whats the most profitable nightmare map to run? sanctuary?

Im finding sanctuary map is far faster than zigg thats for sure, though zigg's fragments seem worth more on avg

abomination however seems to have the best mirages

einhar u ok dawg

[flint ruin]

Hello everyone!

How are you doing.

[rancid sluice]

man tx has been real spikey tonight

[flint ruin]

Alright.

[rancid sluice]

sigh are we on more bot shit again

[hard cliff]

Hello

👋

[vocal tinsel]

it was that way yesterday too

[rancid sluice]

switched to wash got kick within 15 mins too

[flint ruin]

How are doing?

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eats-cake-cat-cake-minecraft-minecraft-cake-gif-7677580574280279396

[spice pecan]

[rancid sluice]

worse going out than going in jinkies

[rocky glade]

Bro this is too much for me

4 tabs of chaos

[finite quail]

god soulrend is such a humongous difference in clear vs all other chaos dot skills in levelling

[craggy fiber]

at least you dont need to click them 1 by1 now

imagine the old way

[finite quail]

welcome welcome

All good

[finite quail]

god imagine having to click them one by one

[ruby geyser]

Ruthless Viper strike imbue on Binos is wicked. Just really wish it would tell you which swing you were on. Kind of a guessing game which swing is ruthless. If you could better time that out single target is insane

[finite quail]

I can never fuck with ruthless

[rocky glade]

Get around 8 aps

[finite quail]

Its so weird with how it counts swings

[ruby geyser]

Dude it's almost a make or break I hate not knowing

[finite quail]

Its not just not knowing

[rocky glade]

You will never worry about which hit counts

becuse you are hitting alot

[finite quail]

Its also that sometimes it just lies to you

and doesnt do the thing on the third hit

[cold sable]

bibinos

[finite quail]

bbno$

[cold sable]

:3

[ruby geyser]

Seems like it huh? You can definitely tell which one is ruthless but no control. In just using it until I get a couple voices right now

[finite quail]

you can easily tell when you start as marauder

it procs whenever it wants to

when you fight hillock lol

[rancid sluice]

is there a 'ship all' command now or something? ive never had to worry about 4 pages of chaos

[flint ruin]

Can we will be friends.

[finite quail]

huh

[rancid sluice]

more ai shit yawn

[cobalt blade]

this is from animation cancelling btw

[finite quail]

Don't know you, sorry

[cobalt blade]

you can animation cancel the hits and it still increases the counter

[finite quail]

[cobalt blade]

so you can also animation cancel your third hit

and not get ruthless

[flint ruin]

I am finding some new friends.

[cold sable]

meow

[cobalt blade]

meow

[finite quail]

ewwwwwww so thats why it doesnt work

[ruby geyser]

Do you think auto exertion/generals cry is cancelling out ruthless?

[cobalt blade]

shouldnt

each skill has its own counter

[ruby geyser]

Cool cool

[opaque sphinx]

gl me

[cobalt blade]

4:4 is the good one

[finite quail]

dragons eye card incoming

or whatever its called

Mmmmm love how soulrend doesnt care about enemy bubbles

[finite quail]

Nice

[flint ruin]

Yup

So can we will be friends.

[finite quail]

No thanks im good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315099413924020226/1436130986688516147/170a1580-f77e-4679-9b24-132be6511185.webp

[flint ruin]

I am just finding some new friends

[spice pecan]

lmao

[finite quail]

are you here for poe stuff or nah

bot behavior

[grim pivot]

poe or #offtopic

[opaque sphinx]

imprints are down to 140

[flint ruin]

Lol i'm not bot

[stuck phoenix]

Hello not bot

[craggy fiber]

https://klipy.com/gifs/robot-35--k01KQXJ86BFK8TNVSKP1AV7VTHH

[limpid prairie]

Abyss/Beyond is the future people

you gotta believe me

[flint ruin]

Hey

[finite quail]

I do not believe them

[spice pecan]

lmao

[cobalt blade]

whys there a 7

[finite quail]

the 6 is missing

[craggy fiber]

question can you use vaal exalt on corrupted abys jewel with4 mod to get 5th and 6th

or they only drop as 5th and 6th

[finite quail]

what vaal exalt

[cobalt blade]

drop only

[finite quail]

vaal exalts do not exist

[cobalt blade]

tainted ex alt

[finite quail]

oh

i forgot about those

[full kraken]

holy shit I just annul'd preflock 6 times in a row

[finite quail]

gaming

[full kraken]

lord give me strength

[finite quail]

next one surely wins

surely

[craggy fiber]

i lose 50 50 14 times once

i quit

[cobalt blade]

thats only like 1/16k ish

not that rare

[full kraken]

literally just wanna 50/50 remove the stupid acc suff, and instead game is like "lets just delete 12 div instead"

[finite quail]

incinerate the moneys

[cobalt blade]

atleast you havent deleted the other suffix

(and now its cursed)

[full kraken]

thats true

I guess if I complain too hard itll just be like "sorry mate lemme just delete the other mod for ya"

then we have the 66% chance followed by 50% chance to hit the veiled exalt and then hit crit multi or chance for dbl dmg

and then we move on to enchanting

[opaque sphinx]