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[tacit crow]

leftover beasts from crafting

me aware

dont you worry

[frigid wedge]

agos?

[astral shadow]

just list some unid voices for chaos

2 tab each

[frigid wedge]

how much r they rn

[spice pecan]

they were at 10d couple weeks ago

[astral shadow]

3350c

[onyx adder]

Does agos have the dps to do uos

For sure it can survive

[full kraken]

gotta farm more gold again it seems

[astral shadow]

its low dps for it

[full kraken]

I need to now save up 170div to get me an accel shrine belt for max zoomies

[astral shadow]

agos is insane but i wouldnt bring a dissolution build to void

[red gust]

I've done a bunch of stuff on my Ele Hit character and figured I should give juiced breach a try, but it seems like it's too slow to make it worthwhile. Are there any consensus builds specifically for juiced breach farming this league?

[cosmic eagle]

ele hit on juiced breach damn

[red gust]

kind figure a reroll might be a good project while waiting on PoE2

[cosmic eagle]

speaking of torturing yourself

[spice pecan]

depends, are you wanting to do unstables or hives?

[red gust]

unstables with beyond, risk, 80% deli etc.

[astral shadow]

wait u got muted?

[cosmic eagle]

if you want juice breach just join the darkness and reroll to minion packers

[frigid wedge]

im still not sure what the fuck ppl are doing to need that dps

i dont even need to click my skills

[cosmic eagle]

we are way past 2 months of the league to be ethical at this point

go crazy before the build is dead

[short prairie]

So I did

[red gust]

LOL yes, I could definitely manage it on 80% deli hitting most if not all altars but it was really slow. believe it or not i put in a map with block chance, monster life, and one other defensive mod -- forget which -- and it was absolute torture

but i did finish that map dammit

[frigid wedge]

but my current breacher is more fun

[cosmic eagle]

either glad minion packers or chief or even trickster

[astral shadow]

yep good job, let them destroy minion pact and my other giga dps builds survive

[cosmic eagle]

3 of them can be tanky on their own ways

[red gust]

So that's BV minion pact?

[frigid wedge]

i am neither tanky or high dps

breach is piss easy

[spice pecan]

scam tink

[cosmic eagle]

just think of it as a RF build that actually deletes ubers

and make fun of juiced breach

[short prairie]

https://pobb.in/a_9lFrLeQA55 here is an example of the budget version from ssf

[red gust]

Haha yeah I'll look into it. Got any opinions on which version is best?

[cosmic eagle]

you better play it, you have 1 month before they decimate that build

guaranteed

[red gust]

i mean, this league isn't ending when PoE2 league comes out but yeah i take your point

it may not be over but i probably won't be playing it

[full kraken]

I hope they just rework blade vortex to not be so abuseable

fix BVs snapshotting problem

this is like the fourth time BV has been abused this way

[spice pecan]

that kills non-mp BV tho

[bleak quiver]

more bv nerfs

bro is trying to get a job at ggg

[spice pecan]

also bv hasn't been a problem in a long time I thought? last time was with the extra gore shit

right?

[cosmic eagle]

i am in ssf so chieftain the 1 got send is my build, in sc you can go jungroan/tuna glad bv or peuget trickster tanky bv

[short prairie]

bv the gem itself is most likely going to get nerfed

alongside minion pact

[full kraken]

already passed on pursuing that, ferrets are illegal in new zealand

[bleak quiver]

sugest a eye of winte and winter orb nerf next, garanteed job offer

[normal hedge]

buff bv

[spice pecan]

i personally think storm brand needs another nerf, tbh

[full kraken]

nuke bv snapshotting, and then buff the skill to compensate for the unleash fix

[normal hedge]

nerf rf and fire trap again

[full kraken]

that way unleash stops being so mandatory for bv to work

[cosmic eagle]

i can imagine how they will kill bv minion pack probably as the same as DD and hexblast never to be seen again

[normal hedge]

theres still too many people playing it

[frigid wedge]

dont we have 2mo

[strange moon]

is there a crafting recipe to guarantee eldritch ember/ichor?

[full kraken]

also if they only decimated the build that would not be much of a nerf

[frigid wedge]

yeah we're literally only just week 8

we got 2 months

[onyx adder]

BV probably just needs orb tag if ggg is going to spam that tag on anything that can be fun with one-off damage boosts

It doesnt needs a numbers nerf

Skill is mid as fuck on its own

[full kraken]

considering decimate means to only reduce by 10th

[red gust]

Thanks, i'll look into those. There's also an occultist version?

[devout shoal]

why do they like sucking so much

[onyx adder]

This is my area of specialty, glad u asked

[full kraken]

this made me actually spit take irl

[frigid wedge]

tasty

[full kraken]

I wasnt ready

[cosmic eagle]

ehhhh i dont buy occultist but you can try, i rank it as Glad > chief > trick

[red gust]

pitsucker ohh you nasty

[cosmic eagle]

honestly speaking tho id go chief/glad coz both of them transitions to different kind of beast builds, there's also AGoS you can try

there's also a glad build that is too good this league forgot the name

[red gust]

Gladiator would be easiest as I wouldn't need a new character at all

I'm already level 100 slayer so I could just respec

[strange moon]

ok ill admit it was the gloves and boots https://pobb.in/NC1OV2766LO2

feeling a lot better

[frigid wedge]

ur not res capped

[strange moon]

yes i am?

[spice pecan]

huh, never seen a breach with a completely detached area in the mirage

[frigid wedge]

58 cold

[strange moon]

also got humbled immediately with forgetting to double check for a reflect mod

[strange moon]

oh my configs aint right thats not counting flasks

[frigid wedge]

:/

[onyx adder]

💀

[cosmic eagle]

either ways good luck, it's a pure 1 button build you just dont let the bv stacks fall off to 0, run around and blast everything it's as easy you can get

[spice pecan]

bit sus to res cap with flasks unless you have mageblood or are pf tbh

[strange moon]

idk i mean ive got the flasks anyway it would make less sense to put more to cold resist instead of fire res which is where my dps comes from

[frigid wedge]

being alive is more important than dps

[hazy roost]

your dps is 0 if youre dead

[frigid wedge]

^

[cosmic eagle]

which breacher?

[frigid wedge]

non mainstream shit

[hazy roost]

unless cast on death

[strange moon]

again with the flasks im already using i have maxed out cold resist by quite a bit

[cosmic eagle]

sense teach me recomb shaper shield bruh, i think i drained my 5m dust

[strange moon]

so i shouldnt get 1shot and then flasks activate and i have max res

[cosmic eagle]

cyclone

[frigid wedge]

fish

[spice pecan]

oh shit just got poison beacon of madness

[strange moon]

hold up also forgot to change out belt... need to also go lower the level of some skills i overleveled with headhunter dont have the dex for them

[cosmic eagle]

is this a dumbo build some sort of mine or manual reap?

[frigid wedge]

self cast cascade

[spice pecan]

beacon of madness builds generally rly need stasis prison right?

[frigid wedge]

nah

u can use haste and warped timepiece with warp

and maybe temp rift

[spice pecan]

yeah I assume you need temporal rift for beacon builds which is why stasis prison is in the picture

[frigid wedge]

temporal rift is like 10% reservation no?

[spice pecan]

oh it is only 10%

for some reason i just assumed it was 25

[cobalt blade]

yuh makes it reasonable to enhance it

[spice pecan]

I have an enhance too 👀

[frigid wedge]

search server for videos from me and should find p fast

[full kraken]

jebus, I was just hoping to have decent job speed

[frigid wedge]

i go bed now

[spice pecan]

nite nite

[devout shoal]

guys can extra bosses spawned by interference drop their exalt orbs?

i need a hunters exalt orb

[cosmic eagle]

yeah they drop what they have i got 2 doing that

[full kraken]

hold on this is a thing?!?!

[bleak quiver]

i think this was one of the quality of life things they added cuz heist had no gold source

so they added gold to the chests and this mod

[devout shoal]

uh what

first time i see an all positive reflect

[cosmic reef]

gold in heist isnt a QOL thing

its a troll junk mod

it gives 130 gold

[bleak quiver]

well, you cant say they didnt add it

[cosmic eagle]

130 gold damn heist poverty

[full kraken]

Ill test it, 130 seems very low compared to other similiar mods

also yeah the heist chests already naturally pop out like 80 to 150 gold randomly without the mod

[bleak quiver]

yeah, thats dogshit lmao

[full kraken]

oh shit lol you can harvest bench heist gear?!

[strange moon]

ok so thats 2 times ive been baited into thinking a build is good what is a build that can ACTUALLY do breach because if im given one more build that either costs an arm and a leg or gets dunked on by CHEAP BREACH im gonna lose my shit... actually can any build actually do breach? cause at this point i dont think so tbh

[bleak quiver]

i think its harder to find one that cant

[full kraken]

what build you playing atm?

[strange moon]

hey um... no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icQ7y7Tb21U&t=122s unless you are only counting the builds that are 500div+ or something then thats just wrong

[bleak quiver]

no it is harder to find one that cant for sure

[strange moon]

well i tried lightning arrow and was getting one shot in breach so i went over to an actually tanky build and i still died so at this point i think i might just be done

[bleak quiver]

its a basic ass strat

[onyx adder]

Bro ur running around with flask capped res

[strange moon]

litterally tell me the differnce and i am working on fixes it btw

i need one more passive to fix that

[onyx adder]

U gotta stop getting baited by these build guides that arent designed for u

[bleak quiver]

making LA not be able to do breach is impressive tbh

[onyx adder]

If u play total zhp and u dont know where to stand u will prolly randomly die tbf

And a lot of the guides u see ppl struggle with are that kind of deadeye hh LA

Where if u get hit before u killed 3 rares u rip

Idk if this guy was playing that kind of build but looking at the glad pob im more than a little suspicious

[bleak quiver]

fair

if you are not used to treat the monsters appearing on you screen as a fnaf jumpscare it can be hard

[rancid sluice]

not trying to be mean but this has sounded a lot like 'ive followed half a guide and am disappointed with the results' trap new ppl run into. getting the uniques together is not enough

[bleak quiver]

that is too hard for new ppl

[viral burrow]

Yea lol had a friend get giga baited on poe ninja and he quit because of it

[bleak quiver]

they should follow youtube

[onyx adder]

Agree but like

Not fubgun or jung youtube

Easy youtube

[bleak quiver]

biggest problem is that, somehow, following shit that is laid out for you is hard

[viral burrow]

Maxroll or mobalytics

[bleak quiver]

fubgun guides are a godsend for new ppl

they are reallly hand holdy at the start

the problem is that it stops, and people become lost scrambling cuz they dont know what to do

[strange moon]

hey sorry for not responding for 5 minutes i said something i shouldnt have i regret that. so some responses here is my current build as well as my deadeye build neither of which could deal with the breach strat. also i dont trust maxroll atleast because of my first build being havocs guides which explain basically nothing. im getting overreactive/angry at the game so im going to take a break for tonight and probably try again tomorrow (give me a sec to grab them)

[bleak quiver]

i do agree with that, this league had the biggest amount of rmtrs ive ever seen

every other person showing up here where clueless with 300d of gear

[normal hedge]

there’s this guy with a dog pfp that has multiple hundreds of divines worth of gear and was also asking if it was important to use the atlas points

[viral burrow]

The amount of rmters hiding in streamers discord servers is scary

[normal hedge]

he had like 10 points allocated

[viral burrow]

Alch and go

[slate compass]

da hell

[viral burrow]

Alch without the go

[normal hedge]

poe1 teasers gonna take a while

[strange moon]

https://pobb.in/J4IidYl2yXhQ ( current build) https://pobb.in/J4IidYl2yXhQ (la build) yes both of these have low damage but i can think of what to do to get more damage and i do think if i was less salty and work more on current build i could live in the breach guide i just neaded to calm down

also it does like no damage

[bleak quiver]

i willl takke a look in a bbit

[strange moon]

i spent like 100divs atleast on the build and max i got was 1.6mill

[viral burrow]

Fubgun did breach for months on deadeye la it is not 0dps

[bleak quiver]

cuz its raining a lot and there is no energy in all the buidings around me rn

im next :^)

[strange moon]

wait it was more of 80div

crit and flat ele

[cosmic reef]

bro I have 1.6 mil killing kitava

[normal hedge]

?

[strange moon]

doesnt matter cause i have the close up no damage thing

lmao was gonna say it was fair either way

[onyx adder]

Paper single target dps for builds that are designed to never hit a single target and also have 20 hh buffs is meaningless

[viral burrow]

No reason not to go kb over kf ngl

Especially for breach

[strange moon]

no at this point im not gonna respec just to not have it work again sorry

[viral burrow]

Thats completely subjective

[strange moon]

ive already invested though so no real pro

[onyx adder]

For breach i would prefer kb its too good at dense packs

[full kraken]

Also, what is your block and spell block chance

[onyx adder]

As like a general build its kf all the way

[strange moon]

... let me check

[viral burrow]

U dont need single target for any farms this league besides bossing

[full kraken]

Cuz if its not capped thats your problem

[short prairie]

[full kraken]

Glad is hands down tankiest ascendancy but you need that 75/75 block for it to function

[cosmic reef]

I use kenetic bolt

[bleak quiver]

you linked the life stacker build twice

[viral burrow]

Holy based

[strange moon]

ah ok give me a sec

[cosmic reef]

I get it in act 1 and never swap

cause spellslinger, it doesnt matter what skill I use its just a trigger

[spice pecan]

kbolt is my favorite skill but i would never play it outside of a str stacker or a slinger trigger

[strange moon]

https://pobb.in/x3ky4pGnqlg- also its aparently 2.3mill idk when it got to that

[full kraken]

If you have 75/75 block chance on that life build you outta be basically immortal to everything except ground dots

[viral burrow]

Missing a lot of extra proj

[full kraken]

Which you typically want yo solve with the reduced dot taken pantheon and fire ground immune pantheon

[cosmic reef]

I dont stack any block its kinda useless for me

[viral burrow]

Never seen anyone go bows without extra arrow on quiver and or bow

[cosmic reef]

and Im kinda dot immune

[short prairie]

wheres my frenzy ring

[full kraken]

Theyre gladiator capping block is mandatory

[cosmic reef]

cause I heal 20 mil per second

I dont need to block anything or worry about dots

[full kraken]

👍

[strange moon]

also the problem with la isnt just the damage/survive its that its so laggy at the start of a breach i die before my pc can catch up/ before i can kill a rare

[full kraken]

Anyways @strange moon whats your block at

[lean urchin]

u cant block fps dips

[full kraken]

Thats like by far your biggest concern

[strange moon]

yeah thats the fucking problem aparently its only at 70 regular 20spell... this build only works when you are max level aparently

[wheat sinew]

bombastic side eye

[cosmic reef]

@zenith tapir @rustic edge @weary pollen yo add mercenaries back to the game

[strange moon]

whichever you have fun with

[wheat sinew]

didn't think you can get 3 drox fragments from 1 maven invitation

damn

[full kraken]

Yep thats the issue, those have to be capped on glad to function

[strange moon]

hmm how the hell do i cap those?

[spice pecan]

versatile combatant is generally the easiest way to cap spell block

[full kraken]

You gotta look at your lucky block glad ascendancy and grok how it works

You gotta block one hit first before you get the buff that makes you become unkillable

[viral burrow]

Kf does not come close to hh kb in clear idk what else to tell u and when ur ramped with hh buffs u instakill shit anyways

[full kraken]

Block Mastery that gives spell block per attack block, and I like Impossible Escape the brand keystone to top up spell block personally

You can also get spell block implicit on shield

[strange moon]

so just more passives what would you suggest for leveling this guy up?

[spice pecan]

you can just take versatile combatant, and then the as the mountain block wheel plus the shield wheel to the left of it, or the deflection wheel near iron reflexes

[full kraken]

Yeah I think once you get your block up youll be fine

[spice pecan]

capping both blocks at 65/65 before lucky on gladiator is very trivial

[viral burrow]

You can believe what you want but player numbers dont lie

[strange moon]

yeah that makes sense it seems i wasnt really baited by the build i was baited into switching into it to early

[full kraken]

20% spell block lucky is only 36% block chance

75% spell block lucky is 93% block chance lol

[full kraken]

Respect some life to cap your block, not dying means way faster exp means youll hit lv 90 fast

[strange moon]

how many would i have to respec?

[full kraken]

Enough, I dunno, just ctrl+f for the closest block Mastery and take a spell block wheel, prolly enough

[strange moon]

btw you do know the say lies, damn lies, and statistics right?

[spice pecan]

probably like 8 points or so

[full kraken]

Glad has baseline 56 attack block out the gate

[viral burrow]

People arent playing dogshit builds lol theres a reason why people play kb over kf man idk why ur so pressed

Keep running ur clunky shit fella have fun

[strange moon]

the build i have has them i just hadnt gotten to them yet

[full kraken]

Speak fir yourself I exclusively play dogshit builds

[short prairie]

2 double synth rings yet no charge rings

[viral burrow]

I mean i respect that

[full kraken]

Sounds like you have a path forward!

[strange moon]

at most 9 cause that is thats how many i need to finish the build

[short prairie]

how should i complain to get a charge ring

[karmic gust]

kf requires too many gear slots and you to build anti qol for ppl to take those builds seriously at high end, its pretty simple

[short prairie]

in global will work for sure right?

[cosmic eagle]

ritual coping

vultures so rare ma boi coping in ritual for charge rings

[strange moon]

will admit i some how missed this... i hate my life

[viral burrow]

Yea idk this kf glazer doesnt seem to understand shit like that its unfortunate

Great skill for 4stones nothin else

[cosmic eagle]

kf is top1 coz it's very good for starters

[bleak quiver]

ok, first you have this random rage support in place of what i assume was supposed to be flesh and stone probably(so you can survive), second, you need chaos res, your equipments are good, but not really what you need, just using boots/gloves with a fracture and chaos res essence untill suppresion would be better, which is a trivialy easy and cheap thing to make, another thingg, jewels, why aare they so bad? why do you have so many points on the tree instead of clusters like every buid at that point would lead you to?
the problems with this build are:
bad rares for the build
not following the guide properly
And to be honest, skill issue, this build def can do breach in this state, you just need to play like the monsters are a plague and cant show up on the screen, and run easy maps

[cosmic eagle]

if you want clear for giga endgame you want kb lmao

[onyx adder]

also kb versus dense pack is the most unfair matchup in poe

[slate compass]

I think KF gets nerfed

[karmic gust]

for your pc or the pack?

[slate compass]

kb nukes your pc yep

[viral burrow]

Yea it is now man nobody out here playing kf anymore

[onyx adder]

LA where every LA lightning bolt has aoe is actually a skill that ggg made

[karmic gust]

it should the levleing on it is pretty broken

[slate compass]

never tried it

[viral burrow]

On that i agree

[cosmic eagle]

yeah levelling on kf is pretty smooth

[karmic gust]

they rly should make fireball spell kb :d

[cosmic eagle]

so smooth even glad can do it

[slate compass]

You can level with it without dmg nodes in tree?

[onyx adder]

huzzah just creamed his pants and he doesnt even know why

[cosmic eagle]

afaik even in hc marauder was levelling with kf

[onyx adder]

i remember when ppl thought fork fireball actually did work like kb but it was just a visual bug

and ppl were playing terrible build with nice graphics

[viral burrow]

Fireball buffed next league for sure

[cosmic eagle]

kf is just too good early on

[slate compass]

Whats a build that just lets you fire a nuke and the screen goes boom

[normal hedge]

most of them

[slate compass]

Eh I mean like 1 proj explosion most of the screen

[viscid ruin]

ok but like why does sin doesn't help us during maps? and why does he doesn't say anything when there is a woman wearing his ring and using it to try to conquer the world during a league?

[cosmic eagle]

they will buff everyones favorite, ROLLING MAGMA

[bleak quiver]

with this one, you just dont have money to make it, its expensive and the cracks from llack of money are showing, not anything "wrong" besides maybe the belt, but money would also solve that

[onyx adder]

self cast hexblast is probably the closest ive ever gotten to NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED

(dont play any variety of hexblast)

[slate compass]

huh ? What league was that

[viscid ruin]

sanctum

[viral burrow]

Holy pre nerf hexblast was fun

[slate compass]

Oooo right

[viscid ruin]

original sin unique ring

[normal hedge]

so glad they fixed hexblast slop

[slate compass]

But did she wear that?

I dont think she did chaos dmg to us

[viscid ruin]

i mean she drops it soooooooooooo

[cosmic eagle]

[viral burrow]

Shit for sure needed the nerf but i lowkey miss it

[karmic gust]

i miss original hexblast, very sad

[slate compass]

yeah pre nerf was fun

nerfed not so much

[karmic gust]

not pre nerf

pre rework

[normal hedge]

bruh they triple tapped it like they do to every skill

[onyx adder]

I dont miss hexblast miner

[viscid ruin]

I DIDN'T GOT TO PLAY HEXBLAST MINE AND GGG TOOK IT AWAY FROM MY HANDS I HATE THEM

[normal hedge]

its so unnecessary

[karmic gust]

the after rework hexblast was laways garbage rework

[slate compass]

I really hope octavian removes some of the nerfs

[strange moon]

that one wasnt even the money it is the levels i switched into it way to early

[normal hedge]

could you tldr the difference?

[slate compass]

Like take em one tab less

tap

[bleak quiver]

money can solve anything, including that

[karmic gust]

you did damage per curse on enemy and the damage stacked with doom (so similar to fated end)

[viscid ruin]

money can't solve skill issue

[karmic gust]

so you could make lik turbo nuke with unleash

or stack max doom

and play low tol

[normal hedge]

oh thats nice

damn

[karmic gust]

yea, it was pretty unique skill

then they reworrked doom (by deleteting it from the game) and rewored hexblast also

[bleak quiver]

it can, look at all the minion pact players

[strange moon]

having to little block to actually do the build built around blocking

[thick vine]

Unless you play a jugg

[viral burrow]

Pact shit has to be the most boring shit ive seen i think

[bleak quiver]

its fine

[normal hedge]

minion pact can be pretty fun if you exclude bv

[bleak quiver]

it was clearly a mistake

[devout shoal]

why are ratcheting rings 1c

[karmic gust]

first time in long ass time the broken mechanic is phys based

so i can play poison with it

so im happy xd

[normal hedge]

are you still playing

[strange moon]

rage should be anger

[karmic gust]

nope

wanted to do 40 challenges

[bleak quiver]

they clearly forgot the explode totem incident, and did a oopsy, its fine

[karmic gust]

but then started watching random stuff

and gave up

:d

[normal hedge]

i did 37 and last 3 are so boring

and i dont carea bout the totem so ig thats it for me

[slate compass]

totem meh armor set is where its as

at

I havent done 36 for a few leagues did it this time

[karmic gust]

armor set no floaty = bad

[bleak quiver]

that armor is disgusting

[slate compass]

eh I just like to collect em

[bleak quiver]

its probably in the bottom 3 they ever made

[devout shoal]

loot from 5 experimented item heists btw

[slate compass]

blue life armor set 🙂 is fun

[devout shoal]

too bad ratcheting rings are 10c per i thought all jewelery is worth something

[wheat sinew]

luckyyy

did 20 experimental earlier got 1 geodesic

[viral burrow]

Thats pretty goooood

[wheat sinew]

armorset floay -> no
weapon making floaty -> yes

[slate compass]

How does one love heist hmmm I need to just do a league of it

But I cant

[wheat sinew]

heist is so fun

[slate compass]

Im guessing its gotten better though

[wheat sinew]

it's constant dopamine

[cosmic eagle]

if you are in ssf doing it is different

[viscid ruin]

i dont like heist

[cosmic eagle]

can always ignore it if you a sc andy

[viscid ruin]

back and fort like a chicken ugh

[devout shoal]

ok guys so is any of these actually good

[slate compass]

sc andy here 😭

[strange moon]

so rage shouldnt be there yeah but i cant add anger do to being overcapped mana reserve, i didnt think the rares were that bad got a lot of help setting them up so i thought they were good, and for skill issue yeah cant argue against that this was my first build ever of course i have a major skill issue

[slate compass]

nothing insane but yeah fine would they sell ... hmmm 5 d?

[viral burrow]

Not really

[bleak quiver]

use flesh and stone instead of anger, for your own good

[devout shoal]

even the one with 24% recouped as life?

[bleak quiver]

you have too much dmg already, defensive auras > offensive auras

[viral burrow]

I dont think they would even sell for 10c sadly

You can buy much more useful jewellery this late into the league for nothing

[viscid ruin]

is it possible to have something like

100% life recoup?

[wheat sinew]

yea

[bleak quiver]

yeah, very easy

[viscid ruin]

and 200%?

[wheat sinew]

sure

[bleak quiver]

idk what it does above 100

but yeah, i guess

[viscid ruin]

500%?

[bleak quiver]

you can get 250 very easy

[short prairie]

so what is this thing in city squre btw

a spider?

[bleak quiver]

maybe 300 too, but 500 idk

[devout shoal]

btw splitting focused amulets 3way is possible right?

[viscid ruin]

what gives you if you have like 200+% life recoup from damage?

[strange moon]

I dont have enough mana

[devout shoal]

cause split ones are 35d and non split 80d

so thats 25d for free

[wheat sinew]

maybe with the infamy mod

[bleak quiver]

oh yeah, that exists

[dry tree]

Recoup is over time, most deaths are very fast

[bleak quiver]

but stasis prison is 100% on body

[thick vine]

The world of difference between starting a new build at 35 div as opposed to starting it at 15 at least let you play the new build from a decent power level

[wheat sinew]

that's why 1 specific jewel combo is fucking expensive

[dry tree]

That's the main reason recoup is kinda shit

[viscid ruin]

i mean, just get petrified blood and progenesis and 1shots are taken care of 🤔

[dry tree]

If only that were enough

[strange moon]

What?

[bleak quiver]

people already do that, but you have a limit

[dry tree]

That's also a very expensive package

[karmic gust]

recoup is nice just makes more sense for left side of the tree instead of top side so not super accessible for buildsthat could actualy use it properlry

[dry tree]

It's slow conditional recovery at low values

If you can get it cheap go for it

But if you think stasis prison is op you're misled

[bleak quiver]

petrified + boodnotch + unfaltering + 42% recoup and you are hit immune, only thing you need to worry is dots and one shots

but the hard part is always the one shots no matter what, which is why recoup is meh

[thick vine]

When you transition from your starter build to another build or endgame build, having 35 div to buy the gear as opposed to >15 ensures any buffers or gaps in defense

[strange moon]

I spent 40 div on my gear

[onyx adder]

My problem with recoup is that its just undertuned per unit of investment as a solo layer

[viscid ruin]

i can't for the love of ggghrist comprehend why does armor just doesn't work on physical dots

[onyx adder]

Its recovery but compared to other forms of recovery like leech or even regen the numbers are bad

[dry tree]

The same reason that a bulletproof vest doesn't help you when you're bleeding

[viscid ruin]

yes

but the bulletproof vest covers you from the attacks that do that

[bleak quiver]

no it dsnt

[dry tree]

They don't protect you from knives

[thick vine]

But it still hurts

[karmic gust]

bulletproof vest also usually isnt very good against shaper slams so poe armor is lore accurate

[dry tree]

Believe it or not, stab proof and bulletproof are completely different

[viscid ruin]

then how does one deals with the insane physical dots that aren't bleedings

[bleak quiver]

internal bleeding basically

[dry tree]

Endurance charges, that one delirium chest, pure PDR

Etc

[viral burrow]

Step out of them there arent that many phys dots i dont think might be clueless

[onyx adder]

That or get immunity to the stuff u cant step out of

[viral burrow]

Yea

[bleak quiver]

generic conversion, endurance charges and sources of flat phys dmg reduction

i wish they just made every source of conversion generic instead of all these hoops you need to jump to be able to deal with phys

[viral burrow]

True…

[viscid ruin]

:/ every other game does it

[stuck phoenix]

Taken as is literally less letters

[dry tree]

Not every game has to be the same

[stuck phoenix]

Don't call it conversion

[viscid ruin]

i dk why ggg is the only one that does it this way

[bleak quiver]

me like yapping

[stuck phoenix]

Yap correctly smh

[viscid ruin]

you can be different without bs mechanics

[dry tree]

The rest of us don't seem to have our panties in a twist about it

[stuck phoenix]

Physical damage taken as elemental/chaos

[viscid ruin]

that only works on hits

[rancid sluice]

'dont stand in bad' is the case for many, many games

[stuck phoenix]

No

[wheat sinew]

am I cooked chat

[bleak quiver]

thats what i was talking about, some are generic, some are hits

example, cloak of flames is generic and deals with phys DOTs

while coil is only hits

[slate compass]

damn I have 1/4 😭

[wheat sinew]

speaking of dmg taken.. how the fuck do I solve phys dmg taken as on PoF sublime (if one drops LOL)

[slate compass]

and 37/40

[wheat sinew]

soon™

[slate compass]

Yet you did all of that one wow

[viral burrow]

I wish the armourset didnt look like poopass

[viscid ruin]

is the armorskin good?

[viral burrow]

Depends on what u think its definitely unique looking

[wheat sinew]

I have my standards LOL

[dry tree]

It's good but it doesn't protect you from phys dot so you wouldn't like it

[bleak quiver]

its disgusting imo

one of the worst ever

[viscid ruin]

mine is the lake sidequest in the first chapter

[slate compass]

Why you hate delve so much

[wheat sinew]

to be fair I went from 0 uber kills to 400 in 3 days

[viral burrow]

Yea lol like look at affliction

[viscid ruin]

screw trying to look for that one enemy

[wheat sinew]

farming my own nightmare maps

[slate compass]

400 uber kills damn

[viral burrow]

Phrecia even had a banger

[tranquil umbra]

dawg

[slate compass]

farmed whaty?

[viscid ruin]

i meant the league skin

[wheat sinew]

farming sublime pof

[dry tree]

I know it was a joke

[viscid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/bugcat-capoo-cat-love-murder-gif-26312926

[tacit crow]

good luck

[wheat sinew]

oh god

gl

[viral burrow]

Good luck indeed

1 nimis or mb for sure

[viscid ruin]

how does the valdo box works?

[stuck phoenix]

410 maps go brrr

[viscid ruin]

like what do you get from those things?

[slate compass]

fun gamba

[tacit crow]

6th one btw

[wheat sinew]

lol

ggs

[cosmic eagle]

50 of that box is the famous SNAKE BITE map

[wheat sinew]

that was fast

[tacit crow]

i need 310d to profitr

[wheat sinew]

that's an ez one wtf

[slate compass]

wtfff

[viral burrow]

You open them for a map item that grants you a random unique out of a pool of rewards but the rewards are usually awful and the map too hard

[viscid ruin]

dam

[wheat sinew]

save me

I got 250 synth frags

[stuck phoenix]

Ok

Give them to me

Bam

[viscid ruin]

triple dam man

[wheat sinew]

bet

[stuck phoenix]

Problem solved

[slate compass]

usually void maps so you die and lose char in sc anyway

[onyx adder]

Surely theres one (1) good nebulis in there

[wheat sinew]

bro

we have 1 dd nebulis and that's all

xddd

[stuck phoenix]

That really isn't that big of a deal

[onyx adder]

The tempest one is annoying fwiw

Try do it while doing other ones

Or it eats all ur astrolabes

[wheat sinew]

yeeee

going for a multistrike for a mate

[stuck phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-eat-watermelon-gif-9646965

[slate compass]

kirby is cute pet da kirby

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-pet-the-pikmin-poyo-nintendo-gif-16995834348488728415

[viral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/redmura-airshipassault-airship-assault-grenland-vaughray-gif-2083680119163889594

[stuck phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-chomping-watermelon-chomp-snack-gif-9646577

[onyx adder]

Do u not have 50 of em

Or have u been doing other quadrants

[wheat sinew]

I've been doing top left for gamba

[onyx adder]

O

[wheat sinew]

basically all of us have a multistrike

except a new mate

who is playing flicker

xd

[viral burrow]

Got 1 hh from top right 1 week in ive gotten nothing else special from any of them

[wheat sinew]

also city square

[onyx adder]

I dont hate that woke multi and woke cascade are super common now

[wheat sinew]

so double elder slayer frags

:D

[bleak quiver]

my first vault was a fog from bottom left

[onyx adder]

Since theyre build enabling

[wheat sinew]

mhmm

love that

[onyx adder]

I can actually plan for like

Reap and stormcall in ssf now

[viral burrow]

Thats not bad i think i got like 3 fogs in total from it but i sold them way too early

[onyx adder]

Instead of playing something else for a month

[viral burrow]

Go tyty league

[bleak quiver]

nah there's no selling to early, its a game to have fun, not the stock market

[tranquil umbra]

what league

[cosmic eagle]

femboy league

[viral burrow]

Tyty private league

Starts in like a day or so

[tranquil umbra]

oh shit fr

[viral burrow]

2k ish players

[onyx adder]

Naw i'll save my energy for poe2

[wheat sinew]

yea[

I hope theyt keep imbues man

[tranquil umbra]

my pc is doodoo ass for poe2 anyway

might as well

[viral burrow]

League reset to farm strongboxes and breach for another month log the fuck in

[tranquil umbra]

it's only for 3 weeks it says

hmmge

[wheat sinew]

btw a guildmate got this earlier... and am here like fuck maaaaaaan I'm farming maven/templar astrolabes you can't just drop that

[viral burrow]

Close enough

[cosmic eagle]

tyty can extend it for points or if anyone donates

[viral burrow]

Most people prolly done after like a week and a half

[bleak quiver]

yeah, 3 weeks is fine

[cosmic eagle]

hcgsf is the shit

[tranquil umbra]

ig I can just emulate leaguestart with smth I wanted to try next league

[wheat sinew]

that's why I love gsf xdd

[cosmic eagle]

didnt they say they will add more greater gems next league

[tranquil umbra]

I really need them to add greater cast when gems

[cosmic eagle]

it will probably come

[bleak quiver]

they want them to have functional differences now

[cosmic eagle]

those exceptional that were deleted and did not get a greater variant this league might be added next league

[tranquil umbra]

yeah but they used to already

I had to add stun immunity to my build because awakened cwc got axed

[viral burrow]

I miss the added damage supports lowkey

[tranquil umbra]

and coc builds have to resort to bullshittery to get cdr

[cosmic eagle]

let octy and andrew cook

[tranquil umbra]

oh wait I'm leaving to go abroad after like the middle of may anyway the duration of the pl doesn't matter loool

[cosmic eagle]

they will also cook how to kill most of the op builds this league

[cobalt blade]

functional difference where it just spawns cats on crit as well as trigger your spell

[cosmic eagle]

[viral burrow]

Yea its bound to happen

[cobalt blade]

i mean minion pact is definitely getting nuked

[viral burrow]

I didnt fw anything in particular this league so idrc honestly

[cobalt blade]

my guess is 0.3% minion life instead of 3.2% ontop of unholy spectre deletion (if the gem isnt removed outright) lol

[cosmic eagle]

well that's a nerf

[cobalt blade]

it would still be playable as well

the numbers are just that fucking dumb when it comes to minion life

[cosmic eagle]

what if they delete all minion with high scaling hp

[tranquil umbra]

awakened wed giving you reflect immunity

[cobalt blade]

ftfy

[cosmic eagle]

[viral burrow]

Reflect changes lowkey made reflect free asf now but yea ur right

[cobalt blade]

tbf here with reflect change in general this is pretty negligble loss tbh

[cosmic eagle]

i enjoy the congregate spectre build this league its kinda fun

[tranquil umbra]

yeah but still with the gem it was completely free

[cosmic eagle]

i just wish i can mute my minions

annoying asf

[cobalt blade]

+wed was fake reflect immunity anyway if you werent also whispers or lifetap

[viral burrow]

Pantheon and chest implicit gg

[cobalt blade]

since if you ran outta mana (tincture) youd auto attack and die

[true flower]

trap support gives you reflect immunity

[cobalt blade]

or just a helical ring

[viral burrow]

Yea

A lotta ways to solve it for free

Just go chaos damage kappalero

[cobalt blade]

chaos damage with void manip imbued onto everything that deals ele dmg

[stuck phoenix]

What in the terraria

[cobalt blade]

(tempest shield frostblink)

[cobalt blade]

:3

[stuck phoenix]

Bro started playing terraria and never stopped

[slate compass]

terraria is good

[tranquil umbra]

can you really even die to these

[cobalt blade]

absolutely

[tranquil umbra]

frostblink you would just use lv1 on a chaos/phys build

tempest shield I never had issues with

[cobalt blade]

frostblink gains travel distance with level

[bleak quiver]

void manip or brutality on frostblink is the goated strat

[cobalt blade]

but if i remove void manip from my tempest shield it does deal enough damage it could kill me with some unlucky crits

[tranquil umbra]

does reflect bypass all resistances

[cobalt blade]

no it goes off resistances

[bleak quiver]

no, your dmg is just 200x bigger than your life

[tranquil umbra]

fair enough

[bleak quiver]

200 dmg on 10 enemies at the same time is a instakill for you, and a tickle on the enemies

[cobalt blade]

gave it 100% crit chance just to give an example i only need to block 20-30~ times in quick succession to die to it because of mod effect scaled reflect and that does happen in juicy maps

when i can just do that to get the exact reserve to fit in void manip and remove that outcome

frost blink doing similar damage as well but your more likely to blink onto 100 mobs lol and i value having the travel distance

(oh also ignore the max hits i was set onto shaper balls)

[short prairie]

is this notable? @cosmic eagle

[cosmic eagle]

yep multiple divs is rare

dont forget the blanching

[short prairie]

i got infected by cutedog

everytime i see something worth picking up i just see the "notables"

[cosmic eagle]

i just hate vanilla ritual, i hate how rare nameless altar is compared to idols

[short prairie]

i dont have rare ritual chance on my atlas tree

cuz im fishing for charge rings

[viral burrow]

Lowkey might be better of fishing for good cards in ultimatum

[viral burrow]

Only problem is u need to play ultimatum

[craggy fiber]

https://klipy.com/gifs/white-cat-why--k01KQGDMGQ5DBPF82RD07XJ6TY4

[bleak quiver]

dont slander the best strat

[viral burrow]

Stone circles

[short prairie]

my ritual and fog hunting tree and volatile vaal

[bleak quiver]

no idea what that is

[cosmic eagle]

full coping tree

[short prairie]

how else do i get charge rings then

gotta big cope

[viral burrow]

Awful dogshit is what it is

[cosmic eagle]

sense i need res to recomb with the 2 mods what do i do next

[bleak quiver]

gotta drop it from the source, go kill cortex

[craggy fiber]

slam ring with synth harvest

[bleak quiver]

true, you can also use the breach rings

[short prairie]

Why are you recombinating 2 items with the same mods

[cosmic eagle]

im not im just preparing it

[short prairie]

[cosmic eagle]

tell me what to do next i need res

[short prairie]

What res

[cosmic eagle]

doesnt matter i can just change it in bench with my 100k juices each color

[short prairie]

You just roll res and either crit or recover and recomb those 2

To get 2 suff and then 2s 2s recomb

They problem is

Nvm

[cosmic eagle]

what's the odds it will hit 3 suffix?

[vocal tinsel]

wait why are very large thread of hopes more expensive than massive?

arent massive bigger

[cosmic eagle]

probably coz massive doesnt hit the nodes you need

[craggy fiber]

bigger not always better

she said

[vocal tinsel]

oh theres only a certain space you can hit in?

never actually used one

[short prairie]

31%

Wait

Do I get +rep for this

[cobalt blade]

its a ring instead of full circle

[bleak quiver]

its a ring, like a actual ring, with inner and outer border

[vocal tinsel]

yeah I understand that now lol

[cobalt blade]

the reason massives cheap tho is because its the only one usirus can drop and its his most or 2nd most common drop

vs the other 4 being a 1/4 roll from regular sirus/divining it

[bright nebula]

[Question'] Can someone explain how Unholy Trinity works? It seems OP as a gem

[short prairie]

Lightning phys and chaos

Same as Trinity

Your damage with hits has to be alternating between diff elements

[cobalt blade]

its popular for lightning skills

[short prairie]

Exactly how it works is complicated

[bleak quiver]

its just like trinity, you have 3 bars, if you deal one of the dmg types, it fills the OTHER 2, it will fill the one you do the most dmg in the attack, the objective is that your higgest dmg changes from the first to either of the 2, resulting in all 3 bars filling up

[cobalt blade]

a single jewel socket +2-3 tattoos gives you perma unholy trinity cos of roll range

[short prairie]

Basically you need to have overlap min and max damage with hits

[cobalt blade]

theres so many cluster profit crafts the odds you found one i actually care to do is low

lol

[bright nebula]

So if I have 50/50 lightning and physical I get resonance?

[cobalt blade]

skill issue

[bright nebula]

So just two damage types are needed?

[bleak quiver]

yes

only 2 are required

[cobalt blade]

yes and you just need the range of 1 damage type to be within the range of the second

[cosmic eagle]

ill bless you with charge rings this week on ritual

[bright nebula]

So it is easy to proc with lightning skills then

[short prairie]

[bleak quiver]

its particullary easy to proc with lightning and chaos thanks to the nightmare jewels

[short prairie]

Deal

[cosmic eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-memes-handshake-gentleman-gif-2235389675259549968

[bleak quiver]

they allow to turn lightning into chaos, meaning that both will have really large ranges of dmg, so sometimes your chaos willl juust deal more damage than lightning filling it up very easily

[kindred lily]

double t4 lets go

[cosmic eagle]

i dont read bro

[cobalt blade]

p much

[short prairie]

[cosmic eagle]

i got phobia back when they added recomb first i studied that shit for whole league then 1 year of settlers happened next league they change how it works

cba

[short prairie]

it didn’t change much

Just the exclusive mod stuff were changed

[cosmic eagle]

it was fun recombing full modded items

[short prairie]

Same

But for this league

[cosmic eagle]

claw crafting for LS trickster

[bleak quiver]

back to prison

[cosmic eagle]

1 year league of LS

good times

[short prairie]

do you even craft that for LS tricksters ? I thought they use EE

[cosmic eagle]

at the start, then you recomb triple ES necrotics with suppress that was peak

[short prairie]

global defenses

[tacit crow]

so

tormented feared 6proj cull with petrify 2m radius

[cosmic eagle]

fun skill to level glad?

[cobalt blade]

fairly free map if u can drag around feared

[tacit crow]

what the fuck

did i just hit

@split palm

[wheat sinew]

tripel dmg

[tacit crow]

on a shiny too

what the fuck is that

[cosmic eagle]

holy implicits

[short prairie]

kf

[nova minnow]

no double dmg vendor it immediately

[short prairie]

wdf

no double damage no explode

vendor

[craggy fiber]

youb already got so much inc damage from the inc ele damager per res

the implicit doesnt add much

adingle implicit with double damage probably better than those 3 combined

[cobalt blade]

doesnt matter theres builds that cant benefit from other implicits

[craggy fiber]

or critmulti

[cobalt blade]

example being RF where inc dmg and inc fire damage is basically the perfect 2

[craggy fiber]

also did soemone make a guide with it this league?

no one was using them for multiple league

[cobalt blade]

??

[bleak quiver]

bro has been under a rock

[cobalt blade]

nebulis always gets played in someway

[craggy fiber]

pretty sure +2 wand/sceptre betetr especially high end synth one

[cobalt blade]

not always

but the main 3 builds that use nebu this league are BV spark aura stack and RF

gotta remember you can get +8 skills from an amulet

[craggy fiber]

yeah seems sub optimal

[tacit crow]

ragebait

[cobalt blade]

very much lol

[tacit crow]

crazy implicits no naca?

from a valdos too

[cosmic eagle]

+2 sceptre better? even the rf god pohx himself ditched his +2 sceptre for a dogshit implicit nebulis

[cobalt blade]

seems rly good for the chieftain BV

worse than DD but still alot of free inc dmg

[craggy fiber]

i mean its pohx so yeah

he always consider how to dumb down the build

[cosmic eagle]

yep ragebait

[tranquil umbra]

450% inc ele ends up being better than +2 gems

[cobalt blade]

so true +2 sceptre that gives no damage better than nebulis

[craggy fiber]

also rf is the bait for newbies

[marsh robin]

wait i forgot what gem do i use after ground slam

[wheat sinew]

? xd

[cosmic eagle]

a poo2 andy calling rf is bait

[cobalt blade]

i mean its objecitvely a good starter to transition into any marauder build lmfao

[cosmic eagle]

gtfoh

[next stratus]

Sunder?

[tranquil umbra]

RF is a very safe starter which is good for new players

[marsh robin]

okay dont i have to be lvl 12

[bleak quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/ynov-gif-2864060759807431140 🪞

[craggy fiber]

for new bies it is bait you ened a lot of $ to make rf as main skill

[tranquil umbra]

yes

[craggy fiber]

especially in endgame

[tranquil umbra]

just ground slam until sunder

[cosmic eagle]

low quality bait when they start using $

[craggy fiber]

there are tons of betetr skill for newbies to play. rf itself damage so low now

compred to old rf

most new player stuck at yellow map

[bleak quiver]

at least it shows that the server is alive when those kind of clowns show up

[rancid sluice]

nebulis wouldnt be hundreds of divines if nobody used them. and it isnt just one roll going for that much

[wheat sinew]

brother

[craggy fiber]

i teach and helps lots of new player

[cobalt blade]

so true they totally nerfed RF with the change by making its better scaler twice as good

[cosmic eagle]

we can test how good you are at the game, i will play rf tomorrow on tytys private league fresh start
we compare our loots on day 1

[cobalt blade]

definitely wasnt a 30-40% damage increase or anything if you build for it

[wheat sinew]

I've given rf to random new players and they got to red maps, heck even ubers no probs just following the pohx guides lol

they took 50 mins

but still managed to kill them

[tranquil umbra]

RF is slow but like you can't really fuck it up lol

[craggy fiber]

lots of threads on rf being noob bait in reddit too but yeah people like u guys love pohx so much. rather than trying to be objective about it. you gonna be stuck with 5mill dps until high investment

[daring jungle]

I didn't love rf in HC but good God I could just nuzzle up to bosses and not really care

Almost 2k Regen heading into reds

[craggy fiber]

yaeh for sure

[daring jungle]

Saw lots of mechanics

[cobalt blade]

i mean the thing with RF is its just a solid starter to farm currency with

[craggy fiber]

im not saying fucking up im saying the damage is not good enough for current endgameunless you know how to make money and craft etc

[bleak quiver]

bro is using the poe reddit as a source

[cosmic eagle]

brain damage activated

[daring jungle]

5mil lol

I had fucking 100k heading into maps, closer to 150k before stopping

[rancid sluice]

this all has sounded like broad scope reddit regurgitation tbh

[bleak quiver]

the infamous place where no one knows wtf they are talking abouut

[craggy fiber]

cyclone is a better skillendgame? uber t17?

[cobalt blade]

you dont need more out of it you can choose to toss mirrors at it and move to a scion version but like you deal enough damage to farm t16's to move to a str stacker or smth

[bleak quiver]

there was a thread with 400 upvotes talking about life on hit nebulis being mirror tier

[daring jungle]

Who the fk brought up t17

[craggy fiber]

for sure just map is nice

[daring jungle]

What newbie needs to do t17s

[cosmic eagle]

t17? bro living under the rock

[daring jungle]

You wont be doing that for two weeks as your first character

[craggy fiber]

see this means you are setting up newbie for failure and not enjoy the full game

[tranquil umbra]

we already proved this when they said "is nebulis even used"

[craggy fiber]

even cyclone with cheaper cost cna have better damage and clear ubers

similar game play

[cobalt blade]

if i league start RF tho i would probably end up with 10-20m RF dps by week 1-2 its very scalable

[wheat sinew]

and be 30 times squishier

lul

[thick goblet]

the average newbie is quitting by act 3 cause they don't understand how sockets or resistance work

[craggy fiber]

we talking new bies here

[thick goblet]

who cares about uber viability

[cosmic eagle]

wrong, you need to craft tons of items for cyclone to be effective than RF

[cobalt blade]

and pohx's guide would get them far enough to do t16's

[thick goblet]

people recommend rf since the guide is written clearly and the build is hard to mess up

[craggy fiber]

not true btw lots of newbies even farm to mageblood

[sleek barn]

the average newbie who gets to maps is not against creating a new character

[craggy fiber]

nah cyclone items is mcuh cheaper on trade

[tranquil umbra]

new guy posted that his char keeps dying
cyclone with uncapped block and abyssus

[craggy fiber]

for sure pohx is the one crrying RF

[sleek barn]

i made rf minions this league im balling

[wheat sinew]

true pob warriror momemnt

[cobalt blade]

so what is your point lol

[craggy fiber]

RF is not the best skill for newbies

thats the point

[cosmic eagle]

and rf is not? are you really that clueless? most of the uniques RF used are 1c while abyssus and stampede aint that cheap lmao

[cobalt blade]

its good enough for new players to get into the game and has enough scaling potential to be used as an end game skill

[final owl]

there is no point, it's just rambling PoE related word salad

[cobalt blade]

there is no best skill for a new player

everyone will have personal pref for a skill

but rf is a clean starter before you know what you like

[wheat sinew]

new people: ooooh shinyyy, lemme try this... ooh this sounds cool as well lemme try this

[craggy fiber]

you want newbies to en joy the whole agme if you setting them oh playnthis skill where you gonna be suck at endgame

thats not ok

[strange moon]

i would suggest not ranger

[tranquil umbra]

RF is a clean starter that is really hard to fuck up also

even a newbie can't really brick it

[cobalt blade]

<also does not like ranger albiet just because of the tree starting point being ass

[craggy fiber]

cause there are guides

[final owl]

man, i am bored, but i am not this bored

[cobalt blade]

but it doesnt suck at the endgame

[cosmic eagle]

hey genius einstein has it ever occured to you that the point of league starter is to farm currency for your next giga build?

[tranquil umbra]

there are guides for every skill what's the point chucklenuts

[wheat sinew]

wtf I got baited

was like "wdym wrong type of map"

[craggy fiber]

yes its suck you need hundreds if div to make it good enough for endgame

[strange moon]

now i need to prove you wrong

tbh i dont even know what rf is

[tranquil umbra]

if you know you fucked up RF the skill shows that on its own by killing you

[craggy fiber]

nah not as good as pohx. if pohx make guide on cyclone instead of rf people gonna do cyclone. he is the whole reason rf still alive.

as newbies goes to

[cobalt blade]

well no? its like 50d and you can do t16.5's/nightmares its slow but your immortal

so long as you read map mods

[cosmic eagle]

whenever you see a chatter with poo2 badge you know they about to shit on this chat

[daring jungle]

Everyone fkin agrees rf isn't the most spectacular thing ever but it has rock solid guide and support on stream, and the more ppl that feel that way the more it'll be reinforced

[tranquil umbra]

this guy is saying it being so slow makes it unviable

[craggy fiber]

people care about badges on discord lol?

[strange moon]

wait an immortal build for 50 divs sounds like i was trying to do (emphasis on trying)

[cosmic eagle]

yeah coz it shows how dogshit you are in the game

[craggy fiber]

i did not say rf is slo cyclone is slower

its much better scaling to endgame

[cobalt blade]

yer completely disregarding that a new player will be slower on a skill with both worse guides and less qol

[tranquil umbra]

yeah RF is like unkillable because it requires you to have giga high regen and res

[cobalt blade]

i might be exaggerating a bit but you rly easily reach 7-8k life with 90 max res

and block if you want to invest into it

[craggy fiber]

haha sure mate you are better at the game

[tranquil umbra]

how tf is cyclone slower what

I played both skills dawg

[craggy fiber]

newbies cyclone

[tranquil umbra]

we are just saying words

[craggy fiber]

walk slower then rf

[rancid sluice]

this would be way more believable if cyclone was not skill being offered as better. talk about actual bait

[cosmic eagle]

your take that RF is trash for newbies instantly puts you to the hall of dogshit players

[cobalt blade]

tbh cyclone isnt actually bad rn but it does require gear to be playable

[craggy fiber]

just an example

lots of better skill

[rancid sluice]

well its a very bad one

[cosmic eagle]

it's easy to gear wdym

[tranquil umbra]

cyclone is a skill I played as a starter solely because it looked fun af

[craggy fiber]

and yes cyclone is better than rf

investment wise

[cosmic eagle]

[cobalt blade]

not an easy league starter (tho i do know people that league start it)

[craggy fiber]

you can use any way to scale damage for cyclone

str stacker'? sure

[cobalt blade]

im excluding shockwave because thats shockwave more than cyclone

[craggy fiber]

phys/elemental sure

[cobalt blade]

if you shockwave ye its easy

[craggy fiber]

its just egeneric skill

[tranquil umbra]

this is like saying I play ED without Contagion

[strange moon]

hey so i just just checked out who suggested my current build to me and apparently no one did. you suggested ephemerals edge gladiator and when i looked it up the build i am using is the first thing i found

[craggy fiber]

shockwave not used much outside o cyclone though

[cosmic eagle]

so in short cyclone is the same with RF since rf chief relies on explodey?

both trash?

[craggy fiber]

so yeah shockwave is cyclone too

[cobalt blade]

i actually personally dislike RF chief because it is just an explode build league starter

[strange moon]

im gonna be honest this makes me really made

[cobalt blade]

but in the case here i just consider cyclone to be the applicator when you could use basically any other skill

for shockwave

now instance crashes

[cosmic eagle]

hackers pls ddos the game asap

[full fossil]

anyone here a kboc mana stacker enjoyer? someone here needs help https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/817612263384416276

[tranquil umbra]

I would only start RF if I wanted to start CWS icl

because it's a natural transition

[cobalt blade]

i would do it on a scion because its more fun to scale

eventually transitioning into ivory tower stuff

[craggy fiber]

yeah card gamble ruinig the market. i wanna try for 1 league if they delete that gamble i wonder how the market goes

does the market got more mirror from cards or from people drop

[cobalt blade]

without card gambling there isnt enough mirrors in the market imo

[craggy fiber]

etc

[cobalt blade]

easily cards

[craggy fiber]

yeah i think so too

[strange moon]

what is the max for blocking?

[craggy fiber]

hence it will force people to craft more

[cobalt blade]

75 by default

[tranquil umbra]

75 unless you change it with nodes

or items

[cobalt blade]

theres sources of +max block chance but idt theres enough to get to the actual cap of 90

[craggy fiber]

normal 75. if you scale +max it can getto90

[strange moon]

k i am at 70/70 right now so thats a lot better then earlier

imma go do accendency

[tranquil umbra]

well they are playing Glad so they can reach 90 easily

[cobalt blade]

yer but thats lucky

if you include lucky you can get fucking 99.9%

[strange moon]

wait what?

[cobalt blade]

azadi crest gaming or smth

[craggy fiber]

i know a few people who just play the league until they farm house of mirror

[cobalt blade]

post lucky block

[craggy fiber]

gamba it

if got full he continue playing

ifnot he quit

[tranquil umbra]

do you not have lucky block already

[craggy fiber]

eachleague

[strange moon]

where do you see lucky block

[tranquil umbra]

do you have the ascendency notable More Than Skill

[strange moon]

pob says this

[tranquil umbra]

that is lucky block

[cobalt blade]

ye