1┃general

[normal hedge]

abyssus

replica

[bleak quiver]

when i was using cloak i didnt even know that the blood altar or whatever from ulti did dmg

[normal hedge]

[bleak quiver]

wish they would just make all of them be generic and not some only hits and the other's good

[plush gulch]

i love the defense layering

of senses

[short prairie]

It’s there for the leaderboard I swap to heatshiver, ninja doesn’t freeze enemies and doesn’t have chill effect in config

[plush gulch]

hope is the strongest defensive layer

[bleak quiver]

no, that would be not opening the game, they use it the most in hc

[short prairie]

No the best defensive layer is CI

Manni using highwayman ring inspired me to use the large cluster to leech with ele damage

Most bv chiefs don’t have leech on top of regen

[nocturne maple]

that's because for some reason they don't get the 40% phys convert on tree and then have to implicit conversion on gloves instead of getting leech there

[normal hedge]

holyshittttttt

i'll drop my mirror rn

[cobalt idol]

GOD PLEASE help me out w sanctum

it just SUCKS man

[bleak quiver]

buy good artefacts and they carry you

if ssf gl

[short prairie]

Isn’t it attack damage leech?

[bleak quiver]

no

[nocturne maple]

nah

[bleak quiver]

gloves is generic leech

[cobalt idol]

i have good artifacts dude it does not worj

[bleak quiver]

sorry, but if you actually have good arctifacts, then its just a skill issue, that thing is ultra easy

you can just run to the exit

[vernal ravine]

Why do most Wretched Defiler Doryani builds go Wraithlord over Dark Monarch?

[short prairie]

I mean you need an additional 3 points just to convert 40%, not even 50%

[nocturne maple]

I would already path to magmatic strikes anyways, so it's one point for me

[cobalt idol]

yea man i need to kill lycia yk

[bleak quiver]

what build are you on?

can you afford to make a makeshift minesetup to try and instakill her?

[opaque sphinx]

[bleak quiver]

thats mostly from the base no?

[opaque sphinx]

nah

i bought 9d

[devout shoal]

whos that

[bleak quiver]

damn, people really are lost in crafting clusters, not even good 4th mod

[nocturne maple]

people really are lost in crafting*

[short prairie]

Look, where is this

[nocturne maple]

a lot of people just buy stuff without even considering trying to craft items

[full kraken]

its working!!

[real spoke]

im in this message and i dont like it

[timid crow]

same, tbh

[tranquil umbra]

I actually tried my hand at crafting this league because I was forced to

[bleak quiver]

true, ive seem people asking about buying items where the pob literallly says how to make it

[smoky berry]

is accuracy stacking viable in the year 2026? on deadeye i know people str/acc stack on jugg

[bleak quiver]

they nerfed it llast league but its fine

[tranquil umbra]

if you tell me to recomb anything I'm out though

[pulsar ice]

why are awakened empower suddenly miror each lol, they were 580 just hours ago

[bleak quiver]

are they?

[pulsar ice]

lvl 5 ones

[bleak quiver]

damn, they are

mine had lost value from when i got it

[smoky berry]

how viable 1-10?

[bleak quiver]

11

[smoky berry]

ok ty ❤️

[bleak quiver]

maybe 12 if you have the money

[smoky berry]

so 11 for me:3

[bleak quiver]

just a reminder cuz you are in xbox

its a expensive build even in pc

its a double stat stacker in the end of the day

[normal hedge]

top 2 dps on poeninja is an accuracy stacker iirc

[bleak quiver]

yeah, but he's ultra cheating

[normal hedge]

xd

i dont even think hes gonna be able to do it on console

[tranquil umbra]

wuh

did he fr lock corrupt that

[bleak quiver]

professional poe.ninja cheater

and still cant beat kafka

[tranquil umbra]

how do you make poe ninja do that

[tranquil umbra]

[bleak quiver]

he probably did lock corrupt with gilded fossil

[smoky berry]

double what now?

[tranquil umbra]

ohhh

[smoky berry]

softcore ssf lk

[tranquil umbra]

you can do that???

[plush gulch]

totally normal behavior

[tranquil umbra]

chief you might be cooked trying a stacker on softcore

[bleak quiver]

well, you just craft the item with gilded, then lock corrupt and try to hit it to save the implicit

[bleak quiver]

yeah, that will be hard

[tranquil umbra]

yeah I just didn't know people used gildeds to have a chance at doing this

I thought it was completely useless

[smoky berry]

wdym? im stupid

[tranquil umbra]

oh sorry

[hard cliff]

no

[tranquil umbra]

I meant to say ssf

mb

[hard cliff]

you're beautiful

[bleak quiver]

acc stacker either stack acc and str, or acc and int

or all 3 (most of the time)

[tranquil umbra]

if deadeye it will be int most likely

[bleak quiver]

with deadeye yeah, you go int+acc

[short prairie]

ok

US server ded

[hard cliff]

what's the state of power charge stacking?

[bleak quiver]

always good

[nocturne maple]

same as ever, big damage, kind of expensive to min max

[bleak quiver]

not crazy bonkers, just really good

[tranquil umbra]

power charge stackers use replica restless right

[smoky berry]

i was joking about console being like ssf since so many items will be expensive or just out right not there on trade.

yap

[tranquil umbra]

ohhhh

[nocturne maple]

tri stackers use replica restless

[tranquil umbra]

slayer with brotherhood is a tri stacker technically

[nocturne maple]

that's what I meant when I said tri stack

any other charge stacker would never use replica restless

[bleak quiver]

it is the only way to be a try stacker since all the sources of charge = charge are amulets

outside of phrecia i guess

[smoky berry]

anyone know a bigdaddy for acc stacking? i want to know more

[bleak quiver]

last league palsteron had everything acc stacking, but they gave it some big nerfs so idk

[devout shoal]

ok so if i dont hit it i just uninstall the game right?

yep time to uninstall

[bleak quiver]

o7

[normal hedge]

nope

time to go again

[half stream]

Are you SSF? Why not focus on the prefixes first and reroll speed later after triple prefix or 2 pref + unveil

Rolling the aspd each time seems horrendous

[devout shoal]

attack speed is the most common one of the three btw

[bleak quiver]

yeah, thats why its better to roll prefixes first

then you either lock prefix reforge speed, or lock prefix veiled chaos for it

[devout shoal]

ok sure but i want to multimod it

[bleak quiver]

multimod if needed,\ prefix lock, add/remove speed works too

[devout shoal]

yeah sure

[tall pine]

should i id or sell?

[bleak quiver]

its ssf, gotta work for it

[woeful yacht]

Don't aug

[devout shoal]

im gonna farm harvest for 10h to add a 1/9 speed mod

yeah haha ill farm harvest for a week instead of recombing

cause i dont like saving time

[tranquil umbra]

it was a suggestion man

[bleak quiver]

are you saving time deleting bases the entire day? idk

just look at the options, in the end, the choise is yours, all of them will lead to the promised land

[devout shoal]

recombing is way faster it just takes me time to get alt orbs

because im not target farming alt orbs i have more important things to get such as scarab sustain

[verbal gust]

Shoved 300% rarity into my build and the breach hive pops are big dopamine on 170 quant maps

[pulsar ice]

feels good

[keen veldt]

ok shrine gosling

shryan reynolds

[full kraken]

hmm I forgot about nature's patience as a source of max hit as well

10% less dmg taken and 20% chance to deal double dmg

[short prairie]

wdf is this

[steel light]

that sword looks like a war zone map

[short prairie]

[livid quarry]

r u broke yet

[short prairie]

i feel like

you are so negative toward me

are you ok?

[livid quarry]

sry i was teasing u

[short prairie]

youve been teasin the past 2 weeks

[grizzled lily]

why is rolling ele on wands is damn painge

[short prairie]

idk what happened to you

we both play flicker

idk why you do this

[grizzled lily]

berserker flicker vs slayer flicker

[keen veldt]

u changed bro 😔😔

[pulsar ice]

sniped

[grizzled lily]

cooked him ong

[normal hedge]

some people dont deserve senses in their lives

[keen veldt]

they would just be a potato at that point

[livid quarry]

didnt want u to farm slowly missing an ascendancy node

[tacit crow]

out with the old

in with the new

[normal hedge]

jebaited by AP

classic

[tacit crow]

i farmed 3 mirrors on that build

[pulsar ice]

saaame

[tacit crow]

and redit the pob a lil

[opaque sphinx]

LOL

[tranquil umbra]

kikazaru what da hell

[opaque sphinx]

reforged def, hit t2 hybrid + t1%, slammed t1 flat with ex

[tacit crow]

mana stack

[tranquil umbra]

ig

[opaque sphinx]

kek

1 eldritch chaos, 2 slams and an annul later

[zealous flax]

I was pinged

[opaque sphinx]

sadly i need chaos and t1 res

oh

that'll do

[full kraken]

is there any easy way on poe ninja to find out what the most common equipped rare item bases are that people are wearing?

oh, yes there is lol

[opaque sphinx]

WHAT

w/e wee got it, this'll do

[livid quarry]

@short prairie when i do an expensive craft like 100d+ i check for a method and theres usually an expected cost. did u check for ur sword

[median lotus]

how rare is the "reduced mana cost of skills" synth mod for cluster jewels?
anyone know?

[opaque sphinx]

whats nnn suffix for warlock gloves

[grizzled lily]

no nut novemba

[opaque sphinx]

is it str

it is

works

[steel light]

https://www.craftofexile.com/?ct=emulator check the calculator part and input ur s/m/l cluster option

[short prairie]

?

[cobalt blade]

CoE doesnt do synth

[opaque sphinx]

thats nnn right cuz it doesnt say essence

[cosmic eagle]

ye

[short prairie]

yes. and those dont apply in ssf

[opaque sphinx]

oh wait, if the base im transferring from is a str int base

it can roll str?

yes

[short prairie]

@cosmic eagle try doing giga juiced breach and then press alt

[opaque sphinx]

so that doesnt work?

[gleaming charm]

can someone tell me the best currency farm atm ?

[short prairie]

your game will crash

and tell you that you are playing deadlock instead of poe

idk why poe shows this erro message but it's funny

[opaque sphinx]

fuck yeah i dont think str works

so i need a non str base with the temple mod

[short prairie]

i got 3 volatile vaals, 5 divs, 2 valdos, 3 annuls just in my last breach map

quite insane ngl

[median lotus]

craft of exile doesn't work on synth mods

[short prairie]

and a voidborn key

[livid quarry]

@short prairie im not saying its not negative but to make sure what do u find negative? im assuming its when i talk bout ur choices in a negative way

[short prairie]

F

[bleak quiver]

generally: breach, boss rushing (both t16s conqueror maps and t17s) and harvest
specialized farms: lab/heist, jun/beasts/temple (any combination), ubers, valdos and ulti

[opaque sphinx]

so this should work ?

[short prairie]

it's ok, just move on

[opaque sphinx]

yus

[livid quarry]

i mean i really cant tell whats mean. guys like to shit on each but with actual swear words for fun

[short prairie]

ye since str is not part of warlock

wait

[gleaming charm]

is there a video you could recommend for breach also im KBOC if that makes a difference

[bleak quiver]

fubgun

[short prairie]

fubgoon

isnt snoobae's strat more fun

[bleak quiver]

the credit card?

[short prairie]

im just using 2 unstable scarabs 2 wisps 1 bloodlines

idk what the others do

[bleak quiver]

yeah, sounds like usual breach

2 unstable, 1 wisps, 1 bloodlines + any of risk/wisp/cascade

[short prairie]

I think snoobae uses sinistral/ dextrals

Magic/rare juicing with the correct map mods

[bleak quiver]

oh, that one

its really anoying to setup tbh

[short prairie]

Ye rolling the maps are quite annoying

[steel light]

https://poedb.tw/us/Large_Cluster_Jewel#JewelsSynthesisImplicit in the 108 pool, but idk how those works, seems like the weight couldn't be datamined

[bleak quiver]

but yeah, its a option

[short prairie]

Should I str stack

[bleak quiver]

alberons is fun

[livid quarry]

its very cheap in trade

[short prairie]

Reliquarian had 0 damage

[bleak quiver]

makes any skill feels good

[livid quarry]

like its crazy frenzy stacking is worse and more expesnive

[bleak quiver]

but getting it in ssf..

[short prairie]

If I get alberons I’m gonna pivot

[tranquil umbra]

try to roll the synth mod manually and you will shoot yourself in record time

[cobalt blade]

think i mentioned this before but frenzy stacking is more expensive to start cheaper to minmax lol

str stacking is cheaper to start more expensive to minmax but its also just better

[livid quarry]

i checked dont even need misted helical rings

would already more dmg than frenzy rings

[short prairie]

Ye but finding frenzy ring is impossible

I give up

[livid quarry]

and its like 30d for fractured hellical

[cobalt blade]

in the context of trade

[tranquil umbra]

bis for frenzy stacking is +1 frenzy AND cold damage per frenzy rings

[cobalt blade]

where you just mirror a perfect ring

[livid quarry]

and str stacker without mist is also tankier

[cobalt blade]

compared to misting rings or buying an osin eventually for raw damage

[livid quarry]

its just insane

[short prairie]

Also mirror str clusters

[cobalt blade]

yuh

[livid quarry]

yeah i pob without mirror str clusters

[tranquil umbra]

triple synth clusters

[bleak quiver]

you also dont even need to mist rings for it to outscale frenzy

[tranquil umbra]

gulp

[cobalt blade]

ye you rly dont its just so much stronger inherently

[bleak quiver]

its crazy how it has fallen off

[nova minnow]

damn, crazy that you can share imbued supports with another active gme

[cobalt blade]

tho volatiling boots is super worth

[livid quarry]

i got 1 to 90 dmg for 45d

worth?

[tranquil umbra]

do you volatile darkrays

[cobalt blade]

seems reasonable

[livid quarry]

seems like ppl were vaaling them crazy

[nova minnow]

i have like 4 active minions in a 6L with meatshield and minion life.
one of them imbued w ele army so now all of them have it

[cobalt blade]

why wouuld you it does nothing

[livid quarry]

and sold ones that werent better for cheap

[tranquil umbra]

oh you meant alberons

[cobalt blade]

yes

[short prairie]

Sure. To get add accuracy per frenzy

[bleak quiver]

you volatile foulborn darkrays

[cobalt blade]

do you though

your accuracy stacking without stormrider boots

[tranquil umbra]

can we get darkray scalars next

[cobalt blade]

if your running foul

[bleak quiver]

not really for acc stackers

[normal hedge]

cannot wait to volatile rares in a few leagues

[tranquil umbra]

please no

[bleak quiver]

they might add that sanctified divine thing from poe2

[cobalt blade]

volatile me

[normal hedge]

is pretty much the same isnt it

[bleak quiver]

im not really a fan tbh, kinda boring

[short prairie]

Level 22 12 links

[tranquil umbra]

lv24 12 links

[normal hedge]

yeah sanctify is pretty much the same

[bleak quiver]

its sad that it dsnt change lvls of shit

[normal hedge]

i can see it being a thing

[cobalt blade]

imagine the shako gambles

[bleak quiver]

imagine lvl 42 shakos

[short prairie]

Level 42 ice bite

[tranquil umbra]

Lv42 Ice Bite

[livid quarry]

wonder if ppl buying frenzy ring do rmt. no way u farm 400d+ without pobbing whats more efficient

[cobalt blade]

get the rly lucky divine into 35 ice bite *1.22 and then also get rly unlucky and hit brutality

would cap at 40

gems dont actually go past that

[tranquil umbra]

new scaling for shako

gems go to 50

[cobalt blade]

wut

its always gonna be better to run +1 frenzy on a frenzy stacker

than not

[twin arch]

uber feared

[livid quarry]

i have seen 120m dps builds with 2 frenzy rings

[bleak quiver]

yeah, there are a lot of people with really garbage frenzy rings in ninja

[livid quarry]

thats 1000d at least

just from the rings

if they spent 1000d on a str stacker

they would be tankier

[cobalt blade]

still gonna be better than running a non frenzy on said frenzy stacker lol

[livid quarry]

and do more dmg

[cobalt blade]

well ye

[bleak quiver]

its very sus indeed, and flicker used to be the rmt build of choise

[tranquil umbra]

I should wealthy exile my shit

[twin arch]

no

[cobalt blade]

you are gonna get more out of a better stacker ofc but like just not everyone wants to do that

[normal hedge]

can play str stacker or you can have fun

with literally anything else

[short prairie]

Builds that don’t stack anything usually don’t do much damage

[bleak quiver]

(well, str stacker ARE more fun tho...)

[normal hedge]

nah they arent

[sage falcon]

damage stacker:

[cobalt blade]

debatable

fuck msoz

[short prairie]

[cobalt blade]

but ambi str stack is fun

[bleak quiver]

you can use any skill

[normal hedge]

str stacker is the least fun i had

[candid stag]

how do i copy something in pob? it just deletes it when i right click what i highlighted

[normal hedge]

among all stackers

[sage falcon]

not even wander variants?

[tranquil umbra]

str bow

[short prairie]

Isn’t dex stacking the worst

[sage falcon]

i concur that the non wander variants dont look super fun

[normal hedge]

well ig i havent tried the wander

maybe next league

[tranquil umbra]

lowkey just str bow

[bleak quiver]

kb and venom gyre str stackers are peak fun

[normal hedge]

fun isnt the same as good?

[cobalt blade]

ambi is peak

grab siones and vibe

[short prairie]

sure

[cobalt blade]

hit the whole screen

[short prairie]

That used to be fbok

[cobalt blade]

i never understood the appeal of katabasis it kinda just seemed worse than other options but you got to run southbound which was funny

[livid quarry]

never tried it either

[normal hedge]

katabasis was really good

[short prairie]

You are technically “tankier” by freezing enemies longer

You just can’t run avoid freeze maps

[cobalt blade]

or you could have actual tank and make freeze irrelevant?

[bleak quiver]

katabasis was just big bonks instead of fun projectiles

[short prairie]

[normal hedge]

but infinite vaal lightning strike was more fun anyways

[short prairie]

It’s a league starter

[nocturne maple]

katabasis was a monster for clear because of its mechanics

[cobalt blade]

yep i stand by whati said

[normal hedge]

also

[cobalt blade]

not a fan of freeze reliant defence

[normal hedge]

gettin a +1 frenzy southbound is really easy

xdd

[short prairie]

Aka frenzy stacking flicker

[cobalt blade]

yep i dont like flicker

tho it can be made pretty tanky just dont rly like the skilli tself

[livid quarry]

i get annoyed when i try to get somewhere fast as flicker

[short prairie]

Looks like Magefist ditched poe1

[livid quarry]

but when im chill and let flicker take the wheel its nice

[short prairie]

He asked what to play next in his last vid, most ppl recommended ssf

But he hasn’t created a new char

[livid quarry]

not an exaggeration u can clear most of the map holding down flicker

without moving the mouse

[short prairie]

Mods

[bleak quiver]

MR BEAST

COME BACKK

GIVE US MONEY

[bold kelp]

How do these even happen

Do you DM them and they give you a link?

[cobalt blade]

they convince ppl to run malware that steals credentials from ur browser

[livid quarry]

im thankful to ggg for buffing flicker

[short prairie]

No, you DM them to give them a big fat c

[bleak quiver]

tbh, i have no idea what these are trying to do

[cobalt blade]

(+banking info/other nonsense)

[livid quarry]

🙏

[normal hedge]

they can have all my credentials

i want money

[short prairie]

No, crypto wallets

[bleak quiver]

they dont ppost links, not even the correct twitter(which would be a fake one in this case)

[cobalt blade]

yep other nonsense

[bleak quiver]

they dont post the entire code for the wallet

[twin arch]

theyre scams

[bleak quiver]

so its worthless

[bold kelp]

What, they just run some shit that steals all your session tokens?

[cobalt blade]

very basically yea

[twin arch]

Yes

you install an app

[bold kelp]

But that would require a download and not just a link.

[bleak quiver]

it literally does nothing making the infected accounts spam besides alerting the user

[twin arch]

It logs your crypto wallet keyword

And then siphons

[short prairie]

bro

[cobalt blade]

and it would surprise yuo how many people would run that shit

[bold kelp]

Man, they should have better security education.

[short prairie]

Many variants of scams

[twin arch]

Links can auto download stuff

And some stupid people run it

[bold kelp]

Actually wouldn't most people working for a company get cybersecurity education?

[bleak quiver]

that is not really how they get you

most people know whats not to do

[short prairie]

This tbh

[bleak quiver]

thats why they now use masked links

or cloned sites

[hard cliff]

@livid quarry
you're right

[bleak quiver]

so people dont notice until its too late cuz they are confident they know what they are doing

[bold kelp]

Cloned sites make sense

[cobalt blade]

in the case of the ones being posted here its just trying to get gullible people - theres more sophisticated ones that get actually security competent people if it catches you at the wrong time

[short prairie]

If you visit shady sites you run it in a virtual machine and enable your vpn

[bold kelp]

But again, wouldn't most people that work for any company that deals with any amount of technology receive a cyber security module or training of some sort

[cobalt blade]

anyones vulnerable just a matter of when

[hard cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYs9nS8LlZ8

[onyx adder]

One of the little private discords im in got spammed bc someone got hit by the cpuid supply chain hack

[short prairie]

Cupid

[onyx adder]

Can happen to anyone even if u think ur smart and only run trusted links

[hard cliff]

wtf is a cpu id supply chain hack

I know what cpu is

[onyx adder]

Cpuid is a benchmarking tool

[hard cliff]

ohhhh ok

[onyx adder]

U download it to see how ur pc is doing

[bleak quiver]

this, they prey in you confidence

[cobalt blade]

cpuid hosts cpu-z/hwmonitor they got compromised

people downloaded the compromised versions

[hard cliff]

I thought it was some kind of hardware hack that affected the physical cpu coding/bios

that would be INSANE

[onyx adder]

Their website got compromised and for 9 hours anyone who downloaded it got malware

[cobalt blade]

meltdown/spectre

[onyx adder]

Hence, "supply chain"

[pulsar ice]

oh shit, I won

[livid quarry]

how much is that worth

[pulsar ice]

bruh

[short prairie]

Imagine having to do all this to get to what it used to be

[cobalt blade]

not even 15% 🥀

gg tho

[bold kelp]

You know, I wonder what the consequences of that ssh backdoor would have been if that 'mildly' neurodivergent guy didn't bother to investigate a half second slow down.

[hard cliff]

Serious question

Does eblade not use Ivory tower now ?!

[bleak quiver]

yep, actual build of the league, not that sv_cheats 1 (minion pact)

[short prairie]

Yes

[cobalt blade]

Possibly rly bad ye

[short prairie]

Eblade doesn’t reduce your ES

If you use foulborn ghost

[hard cliff]

Wow

[livid quarry]

what build is it in for 2mirror

[bleak quiver]

any

[cobalt blade]

eblade

lol

[hard cliff]

So what do you do with all the es just run a hybrid life/es defensive layer ?

[short prairie]

Yes

[bleak quiver]

you just e-blade + spellblade any spell, or just bonk with it

[kindred silo]

kinda wild how many people playing it this league

[hard cliff]

Sounds pretty easy lol

[short prairie]

You just stack life

[cobalt blade]

you run an inquis for stupid regen and vibe

[livid quarry]

[kindred silo]

I thought they setup was kinda mid last league

and it's a lot worse now

[hard cliff]

Eblade rathpith ????

[bleak quiver]

yes

[short prairie]

It was alr popular last league

[short prairie]

Yes

[cobalt blade]

remember that eblade got nerfed

[bold kelp]

How is it 2 mirrors? Aren't foulborn ghostwrithes common

[kindred silo]

ya I played it last league

[cobalt blade]

lost quality for es

[bold kelp]

And it has no roll range

[bleak quiver]

no

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/law-and-order-crazy-shit-12ey1CgA3uTqfK

Time to play eblade again

(next league)

[livid quarry]

might not be actually worth 2m

[short prairie]

You can pair with spellblade or battle mage or both

[cobalt blade]

so the other variants of eblade are now significantly worse even with chest being nerfed to 40%

[bleak quiver]

they all get volatiled too

[hard cliff]

Why tf is this worth 2 mirrors

[kindred silo]

I was one of the first ones running it on ninja at least

[hard cliff]

Is this a volatile roll ?

[bold kelp]

Yes it is

[bleak quiver]

yes, enchant + volatile

[kindred silo]

although I did attack version

[cobalt blade]

foulborn writhe when you factor in volatiles was extremely unscathed

[bold kelp]

But base ghostwrithe isn't that expensive.

[hard cliff]

What's enchant ?

[bold kelp]

Defense mod

Tailoring orb I assume

[bleak quiver]

% defense mods

[cobalt blade]

compared to ivory stuff being like -20% es or smth

[tranquil umbra]

I want to try an eblade attack build but idk which skill would be "optimal"

ig it's just kinda anything

[bleak quiver]

there is no optima

[kindred silo]

smite or ls

[hard cliff]

Ohhh tailoring orb

ok makes sense

[cobalt blade]

smite lightning strike or molten strike

[kindred silo]

kinda hated smite tho

[bleak quiver]

just pick the one you like, it does "fuck you" lvls of dmg

[bold kelp]

Optimal is flicker strike and everyone else is wrong

[cobalt blade]

the 3 main culprits

[cobalt blade]

D:

smite fun

[hard cliff]

Can I voltile a lifesprig to be Uber boss killer ready ?

[kindred silo]

idk why people like smite so much

[tranquil umbra]

true actually

[bleak quiver]

the optimal is flicker, yes

[kindred silo]

it feels so much worse than ls

[short prairie]

Overplayed

[cobalt blade]

its just a vibe with extra strikes

[bold kelp]

Nerfed LS doesn't have the density coverage anymore

Smite on the other hand is aoe

[cobalt blade]

you hit the whole screen you have vaal smite to hit2 screens and you have a shit ton of aoe if you path aura nodes

If you dont path aura nodes it does feel a bit more mid

[tranquil umbra]

gonna be real, I will never manage to get the smite tech working in a real situation

[bold kelp]

For general use I'd agree LS is better tho

[hard cliff]

I saw a really cool sabo build that looks like a terrible idea

[bleak quiver]

flicker is the best, followed by smite and Gathering Lightning, then the rest

[kindred silo]

u can still go arcing

[hard cliff]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3466787

[cobalt blade]

ls of arcing

with gmp

[hard cliff]

I kinda wanna play it 😩

[cobalt blade]

You now hit the whole screen possibly 2 or 3 congratulations

[kindred silo]

also wut nerf?

[hard cliff]

https://pobb.in/f1XLsbl3npbj

[tranquil umbra]

let's try wild strike of the extremes instead

[bold kelp]

LS arcing has dog shit DE

[kindred silo]

regular ls still has insane coverage

[cobalt blade]

DE does not matter

You have so much flat from eblade

lol

[bold kelp]

Then katabasis is just the best strike there

[cobalt blade]

you literally only care about application method

[short prairie]

There are only 3 strike skills

[cobalt blade]

and how much of the screen you can hit

[short prairie]

Or 4

[hard cliff]

I wish heavy strike was good

[bold kelp]

Katabasis has by far the best coverage for a strike afaik

[kindred silo]

arcing also has very good de

[tranquil umbra]

ok then frost blades of katasbasis

[cobalt blade]

nah

[bold kelp]

Its why they nuked the fuck out of its DE

[short prairie]

The merc heavy strike is good

[short prairie]

sure, try cold dot

[cobalt blade]

katabasis has worse coverage than LS and imo worse coverage than a properly setup smite

[hard cliff]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Heavy_Strike_of_Trarthus

interdesting

[bleak quiver]

even with a bunch of garbage and a meme skill build still slaps, unholy trinity + flat from eblade + % from rathpith is crazy
https://pobb.in/cqI-pAznHNVp

[hard cliff]

Increases and Reductions to Spell Damage also apply to Attack Damage from this Skill at +(1-20)% of their value

What the hell crown of eyes ass gem

[pulsar ice]

the only bad thing about this is that I have to break my cool looking 100 all res to get chaos res tattoo instead of lightning

[cobalt blade]

wise oak time

[bold kelp]

Nah there's no way katabasis has worse coverage than smite with extra strikes. It was really popular for a reason, and they halved it's DE for the same reason.

Katabasis coverage is fucked

[tranquil umbra]

oh right ig because the flat from eblade is pure lightning none of the skill conversions actually work lmao

[normal hedge]

true.
smite
transfig smite
vaal smite

[bold kelp]

You can also play infinite Vaal LS this league too

With the thingo

New exceptional

[normal hedge]

yeah just gotta deal with infinite degen

[tranquil umbra]

I saw Sans try that

no thanks

[cobalt blade]

smite with greater ancestral and aura aoe from yknow pathing aura nodes hits basically everything

[bold kelp]

You can run a 90 PDR setup.

[kindred silo]

play the new perma mana flask ammie

[short prairie]

Flicker, smite, msoz, dual strike of ambidex

[bold kelp]

Splaff had a pretty good setup for it

[normal hedge]

what about the new transfig gem

[short prairie]

Haven’t tested it

[bold kelp]

Its only a 120 Degen per cast with pdr.

[short prairie]

Not sure

But sure as h bossing is gonna be annoying

[normal hedge]

whats h bossing

[tranquil umbra]

sure as hell

[cobalt blade]

ive heard its okay but worse than playing arcing for clear

[short prairie]

Sure as he ll

I just don’t want to curse

[normal hedge]

hell is just a place, not a curse

curse is like punishment

elemental weakness etc

[hard cliff]

Did they nerf both frost blades

or was it just katabasis that people were abusing

Frost blade build looks kinda one note lol

I dunno tho

fast

[normal hedge]

saying abuse is crazy work

[cobalt blade]

pretty sure both but it rly made no sense for them to hit kata it wasnt that good lol

[tranquil umbra]

hell is where they sent katabasis

[kindred silo]

ya kata was fine

idk why they nerfed it so much

[thick goblet]

h e double hockey sticks

[normal hedge]

sure as he|_ |_

[tranquil umbra]

is that loss

[short prairie]

why you know thigns aobut hockey i thought u sewdish

isnt canada the only country that play hockey

[full fossil]

whats like a top tier tank + uber farmer atm for 5mirr

tryna find something sexy as im bored of just rocking maps with charlatan

[tranquil umbra]

when in doubt str stack

[short prairie]

armor stack

pcharge stack works too

[bold kelp]

It just wasn't intended to be played hit so they nuked it's DE, just cuz GGG didn't want it

Its coverage is still turbo nuts

[pulsar ice]

holy jesus you call that amulet garbage?

[opaque sphinx]

f

[full fossil]

powercharge stack is tanky? wut

[nocturne maple]

Just like mamba, they really don’t like us being creative

[short prairie]

yes? why surprised

[full fossil]

i heard thats alright for survival but nothing special

[bold kelp]

Tbf mamba had an absurd DE for hits

[full fossil]

i dont understand how that would be tanky lol, also who made a build for that

[bold kelp]

Katabasis DE was already one of the lowest for strikes

[full fossil]

tbh was debating armor stack but idk what the diff between champ and scion is plus idefk how to build that shit

[bold kelp]

The mamba nerf is atleast understandable

[short prairie]

not sure but heres a template

[bleak quiver]

oh yeah, the amulet is crazy good, the rest is dog that is around/bellow what im using

[full fossil]

that image isnt loading for me

monka

[bold kelp]

When people think power charge stack they think of occultist/assassin and not slayer

[short prairie]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/penchengdu750-1538/LilFlickBg?i=4&search=sort%3Dlowestmax%26columns%3Dcharacter%252Clevel%252Clife%252Cenergyshield%252Cehp%252Clowestmax%252Cdps%252Ckeystoneskill

[full fossil]

oh now it did]

[bold kelp]

Slayer all charge stacking is pretty good

[half stream]

Discord is having some attachment issues atm

[full fossil]

ew flicker

;c

flicker bad boooo

[bold kelp]

Play it any strike

[short prairie]

you can literally swap flicker to any strike skills

[cobalt blade]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/Nacasatú-2245/NacaWitchMirage

[bold kelp]

Its just slayer all charge stacking

[tranquil umbra]

22k es holy

[bold kelp]

With resonating shrine

[cobalt blade]

energy shield per power charge is a funny stat

[tranquil umbra]

mf is not on replica restless

we are killing him

[bold kelp]

I meann

If you're flicker it doesn't matter right

[tranquil umbra]

it's not about whether it matters

it's about principle

[bold kelp]

And people used to laugh at spikey for playing all charge stacking slayer

[tranquil umbra]

ok actually that's life regen on a CI build

zealot's oath trust

[loud geyser]

https://youtu.be/477l_F5Czs0

im simply not playing the same game

[full fossil]

but interesting concept although idk im just tryna find something brain off tanky that can tank most content and do noice dmg

[thick goblet]

bido is swedish, i'm canadian (live in the us now though)

[short prairie]

[full fossil]

wtf is that clear

that shit is probably like a billion mirrors

i wouldnt be able to afford that even if i sold my 8 mir build monka

[loud geyser]

ive netted like 30 divs in the last 4 leagues

im not playing the same game

[pulsar ice]

trying to hit pinpoint on that thing, attempt 1

[normal hedge]

dont need to be an expensive armour stacker to have that clear with ls of arcing

[cobalt blade]

It took me like 30

when i did that early in the league

[pulsar ice]

no luck, at least hit critical

[full fossil]

yeah thats fair tbh i just want a omega tanky build with hella bossing dps + ok ish clear

[cobalt blade]

Tbf it has accel shrine for proj speed

[full fossil]

but fuckin idk

cant find shite that seems easy to build

[cobalt blade]

giga juicing the clear

humble 3~ mirror belt swap

[normal hedge]

yeah but still dont have to be an armour stacker

[loud geyser]

i feel i wanna relate to this

[cobalt blade]

Yuh

[full fossil]

outta curiosity what makes armour stackers so fuckin tanky?

[loud geyser]

but you're likely far ahead in comprehension of poe

[cobalt blade]

this league transcendance on shield

[full fossil]

like sure it gets millions of armour but outside of that.. what

like you cap at 90% pdr anyways no?

[cobalt blade]

4% of armour applies to ele dmg taken if youve blocked recently

and then 90 max res ontop of that

[full fossil]

isnt there a unique shield that has like 12% or 15% tho

[loud geyser]

90 is cap but against certain attacks it's not 90

[full fossil]

so like i dont see the benefit

[loud geyser]

that's why you get a lot more

[cobalt blade]

And then very few phys things do enough that having 8-10k es+90pdr actually matters

[tranquil umbra]

yeah but this actually applies to everything when you get millions of armour

[cobalt blade]

The value does not matter

[full fossil]

hm? why not

[tranquil umbra]

4% of 1mil is still like 40k after 90% res

[cobalt blade]

The armour applies after ele res so 4% of a million is 40k armour applying to like 1000 damage taken

[loud geyser]

40k armour is 90 pdr approx

in low content

[tranquil umbra]

not what I said

[loud geyser]

no i mean

if it matches that value

you're getting the same benefit of 90 pdr as elem reduc no?

[cobalt blade]

(and minmaxed armour stacker is currently sitting in the 5-10m armour range)

[cobalt blade]

yeh

[loud geyser]

right

[cobalt blade]

Armour formula still applies just because it applies after your 90 max it ends up almost always being 90% dr

[loud geyser]

disgusting

[cobalt blade]

very

[loud geyser]

here i am breaking my brain

[full fossil]

whats the difference between the champ and ascendant armour stacker tho

i dont get it

[tranquil umbra]

Fort

[cobalt blade]

champ plays big fortify ascendant gets more points

champ is currently better though afaik

Because of volatiles on brace

[loud geyser]

3% more arm. and eva. for each fortification after 20

[cobalt blade]

Its more arm and eva as 1 stat

[loud geyser]

so late game champ

[cobalt blade]

so it only applies once

doesnt double dip

[loud geyser]

wdym

[tranquil umbra]

they mean for iron reflexes

[loud geyser]

it would multiply both no?

[loud geyser]

ah

[cobalt blade]

If its worded as 1 stat 3% more armour and evasion it doesnt get to double dip on ir

doesnt apply to evasion

[loud geyser]

i mean

even then, having more armour

[cobalt blade]

if its worded as 2 stats it does double dip

[loud geyser]

you can still scale it pretty hard with determin

[cobalt blade]

ye its rly good just matters alot that your not getting an extra 50% armour lmao

(or whatever it ends up being)

[tranquil umbra]

yeah more is crazy for armour because I think that's the only more multi for it

[loud geyser]

determin

[cobalt blade]

its not and this does not matter

determ and flasks are both more mults

[tranquil umbra]

Oh right

[cobalt blade]

But because itsa more mult its always multiplicative

[tranquil umbra]

Forgor

[cobalt blade]

so it does not matter if its 50% more armour its 50% more

[loud geyser]

if you do cold res armour stacking with that

hm

[tranquil umbra]

they do armour per overcap fire

eventually

[loud geyser]

no

eventually is cold

[cobalt blade]

doesnt super matter which one you do

[short prairie]

what

[loud geyser]

fire is earlier

[cobalt blade]

fire is better overall

[short prairie]

88 packsize?

[tranquil umbra]

I thought fire is easier anywau

[cobalt blade]

because you can spend 4 points to get 900 regen

cold was mostly done with aegis

[loud geyser]

HMM

rf tech

[cobalt blade]

also fire applies to both your flat armour and your evasion

[loud geyser]

i kinda threw that out of my head when i stopped rf

[cobalt blade]

So cold ends up with less total armour

Mind you the difference is fucking miniscule like 10k armour or something

But its there

[loud geyser]

wait no

fire applies to armour only

from helmet?

[cobalt blade]

dot your evasion is armour

[loud geyser]

cold would apply to evasion and then convert

[cobalt blade]

All your increases to armour apply to it

ir is fun

[loud geyser]

yes iron reflexes

converting eva to armour

[cobalt blade]

yes and all your increases to both are additive with each other

[loud geyser]

but you still inherit evasion mods

[cobalt blade]

therefore getting increased armour is better since it applies to both

vs evasion only applying to the ir side

if you have 10000 evasion 10000 armour before IR and get 100% increased evasion youd end up with 30k armour - if you do the same but with inc armour you end up with 40k basically

[loud geyser]

yeah

[short prairie]

lmao

120% pack size

[loud geyser]

that math checks i get it

[cobalt blade]

now 99% of your armour is from evasion on an armour stacker so as i mentioned the difference is fucking miniscule in reality but still means armour is increased by overcap fire res is better than evasion by over cap cold

Very very marginally

[loud geyser]

🤔

[short prairie]

i cant press alt at all

otherwise my game crashes

too much loot.

[dapper oar]

hey so i just downloaded the game what game mode should i pick?

[pulsar ice]

wrong chat, go https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1118165205025828884 but either way it's always the league

[loud geyser]

i had to look at BigDaddy's armour stacking for dummies again this conversation had me thinking i was nuts

i think for chieftain id agree fire res stacking is better for armour stack

champion ill meet in the middle, bottom tree is very accessible to cold and fire, and some dude last night linked a pob of his ES glad

otherwise, cold res armour stackers seem to generally build ES as well

but then something like this for fire res stacking could prove really juicy

you'd sacrifice having actual regen tho

[clear summit]

O.o

[loud geyser]

to add to this

flat evasion is scaled by increased evasion

and then double dipped and scaled by increased / more armour

this is about iron reflexes

tho i understand what you mean when you say once it all converts and we scale off armour, like the example you gave with 10k eva / 10k armour

but yeah, cold res stacking is way more expensive / way more grindy and wins vs fire res, but fire res has its benefits as i also showed^

and the biggest benefit of it is how cheap it is

if only i had the brain capacity to pull it off

[short prairie]

guess twhat this is

[dry tree]

A watcher's eye

[short prairie]

how you know

[surreal mulch]

this. city. is. GNOMED

[hard cliff]

hooooooooooooooly

Iron Reflexes sounds BUSTED

https://giphy.com/gifs/pass-validate-warrent-eoFJSruUWf7qq1zNHD

[surreal mulch]

i mean its not THAT busted theres very few sources of evasion and armor scaling at the same time

sources of global defences are usually expensive i think

[loud geyser]

https://youtu.be/69vnH0VO2UI

heres a more recent video of big man doing it on fire res stack

[hard cliff]

BIG MAN

https://pobb.in/uV_Os8gfWk9k

Smite

interesting

[loud geyser]

ye smite champion is strong ash

cuz you get flat damage from wrath aura and smite wrath aura

and scale it with dreamfeather and armour, and ig having a decent weapon doesn't hurt

generally speaking if you're armour stacking you can do a lot of things

dreamfeather only in my dreams

irl its my nightmare

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitten-scared-MpNy5P7x5vWM0

[pulsar ice]

with gloom shrine the shrine effect scales the chance to explode, right?

[hard cliff]

Can I league start this on frost blades @loud geyser ?

[onyx adder]

Dont league start anything on frost blades

[loud geyser]

idk

im not one to ask about league starts

3 leagues now not a single success

[onyx adder]

U will come in here day 3 going help cant kill map boss and i will have to block u and then everyone is sad

[loud geyser]

tho based on what his vids say

leaguestarting champ or chieftain armour stack shouldn't be too hard

[hard cliff]

Absolution is easy if you're careful and they don't nerf it

[loud geyser]

i couldn't even do RF

fucking failed that too oml

[onyx adder]

Monka

[loud geyser]

nah im just not playing the same game i promise

[hard cliff]

How you fail rf but you're plotting out an armour stacker with 100 bill dps

[loud geyser]

im not plotting

just talking about it

closest ill ever get to experiencing it

[hard cliff]

@loud geyser

you got this

LOCK IN

[loud geyser]

no

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wwe-wrestling-1NQt7TtQOFA65KMLvu

[loud geyser]

the 2 best ones that i did was wildstrike extreme elementalist before liege nerfs

tho if i used more brain i could have made it nuclear

and the other was LS warden

managed to reach 5mil+ dps but only during snapshotting

which wasn't consistent in the content i wanted it in

cest la vie ill find something ig

[hard cliff]

Fuck yeah

Zesty pee

@loud geyser

captain crackers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZcElp_q_94

Just do this it's nerfed but it's prob still like 1 billion dps

easy clap

⚔️ ⚡ 🦭 🌊

[loud geyser]

sure ill check it out

[full kraken]

anyone know if the negative phys convert mod still becomes a more phys dmg mod or did ggg fix that

[short prairie]

yo i hit it

[thick goblet]

huge

[short prairie]

made it for what

[pulsar ice]

[tranquil umbra]

Flicker

[rancid sluice]

the hamster in my pc is absolutely crying rn. breach/beyond/deli is bad enough, hroc flashing a hundred times a second on top of that. 30% left till lvl 100 though. hopped back on my starter since my ele is pretty much finished

[hard cliff]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/ImZetsu-2867/ImRF_ZET?i=0&search=skills%3DHeavy%2BStrike%2Bof%2BTrarthus

You guys were right heavy strike don't play

[short prairie]

no i didnt mean it in that way, i lost 30% dps

compared to foil

[tranquil umbra]

lmao

[hard cliff]

My gpu fan has made a weird noise twice now I really don't wanna have to see if I can lubricate it 😩

[rancid sluice]

could be losing a bearing or something. gotta make sure that thing stays cool

[hard cliff]

Truth

Why did it have to be gpu

I could just buy a new case fan

[rancid sluice]

you may be able to replace the fan in the gpu too

[hard cliff]

spicy

[rancid sluice]

some pretty cool tech on the top end of hroc looking through ninja. command of the pit gloves giving unholy might means you can spec out of unnatural strength and ppl using all kinds of bloodlines or plaguebringer. diff f/f stuff going on too though id wager void beacon is probably the best

[thick goblet]

if you can afford it, etsy sometimes has gpu shroud kits, you can replace all the fans
it's actually pretty easy just a few screws and one cable per fan

[plucky rivet]

Anyone know of a good volatile dead spell slinger elementalist build

[hard cliff]

thanks ill write that down in case

it's a very generic card

[livid quarry]

whats ur foil like

[pulsar ice]

round 2 of trying to hit pinpoint

no luck

[forest flower]

mebbe you could try kalguuran in T16.5s, it's easier on the PC

[finite quail]

Isnt there somethnig better than pinpoint?

[forest flower]

i went for 2x kalguuran, 1x guaranteed magic pack, 2x increased magic packs

[finite quail]

thats a 19% less damage multi

[pulsar ice]

no, not even close, next best thing is elemental focus with 10% less damage and turning off shock

[finite quail]

I see

[rancid sluice]

ive actually got a kalguraan setup for farming maps but i dont think the pack density is anywhere near close

[tranquil umbra]

only problem with this is that it requires you to do some bullshit to start in reflect maps

[rancid sluice]

how so?

oh i think i understand since its not all chaos dmg to start

[tranquil umbra]

yes

it's like almost pure phys at start

[rancid sluice]

some ppl have this on a bone ring i get it now

[forest flower]

i find kalguuran much safer, cos it's less processing intensive

i've died a few times to lag and screen freezes from deli breach beyond so i gave up on it

[short prairie]

what is this

am i really that unlucky

[opal ingot]

Hit the harvest bench to equalize the luck

[opaque sphinx]

[tranquil umbra]

not max cold res

trash

[opal ingot]

Gz

[short prairie]

[opal ingot]

U ran a bunch of elder to try to get the last fragment to run ue? Or just wanted to see long far it takes for you to get the other one

[short prairie]

i wasnt trying to run uelder

it's just triggering to see the imbalance

[opal ingot]

Hmm ok

[full kraken]

depends, how did the circumstance come about?

[short prairie]

[full kraken]

literally just running elder?

[opaque sphinx]

aug def angle?

[opal ingot]

yeah seems like it. if u reforge def its either suffix or prefix

so 4 div on averrage

[opal ingot]

wait why

you want triple t1 def?

[heady cliff]

gloves have good crafted prefix mods iirc

hybrid def might not be the best affix

[tawdry olive]

https://pobb.in/ecPPESmsS6G3
alright the build has come together, gotta get some levels for another cluster and thats it.
i just wanted to try using militant faith tbh

next time probably brutal restraint, wtf kind of build even uses brutal restraint

oh wait the traitor.... ok i get it

[opal ingot]

cool

[opal ingot]

did u make a new char

cuz i dont remember ur str stacking kber to be lvl 95

[tawdry olive]

yea, i still have my kb str stacker sitting there

i also have a witch that i tried herald stacking, really didnt like the build after i put it together, sold it all for this

[atomic crane]

I gotta stop gambling after a good win streak

I end up losing everything

[tawdry olive]

last league herald stacking with headhunter was a bit better but kinda squish, this league i tried mageblood CI but it lacks damage, and normal PP brand is a pain to work with

[atomic crane]

Trust

You gotta mix golems and heralds

Stack both to the max

Use bladefall of trathus and herald of hive to explode the screen

Ignite with minion pact for single target

Dot cap and big dmges

[tawdry olive]

the problem is even if you full herald/golem maxing, the herald itself has very low damage, its like 500k dps or smth with full pressure stacks.
if you go into a map with phys + ele res on mobs its just painge time

[tawdry olive]

oh ok i didnt do minion pact for that one

[atomic crane]

You do full explode tho

Herald of ash + herald of ice+ oriath+ explody chest

[tawdry olive]

no the thing is you still need to kill things for it to explode

if you go into some 80% deli full tank mod map

[atomic crane]

You tried bladefall of trathus?

You mix it with herald of hive

But anyway 80%+ deli is pain

[tawdry olive]

nah the variant i played didnt use bladefall or minion pact, i get your angle though

basically use something else to supplement the explodes/aoe and not rely on herald of the hive by itself

[atomic crane]

Ignite arc can easily make use of minion pact

Just gotta bump up the hp of golems

Was doin this

[rancid sluice]

i use pb ignite on mine, honestly hive carries in vast majority of content, but yeah id run into last few waves of simus and pack would stick around, drop a brand in the middle, done

[tawdry olive]

I did pb ignite yea. It definitely works don’t get me wrong, dot cap too

[livid quarry]

how long does it take rf to kill 2 voidstone bosses

[atomic crane]

https://pobb.in/4mo0sQlsIHg8

That was not the last version of my build

[rancid sluice]

mines not supreme o hybrid though which is popular im ci with voices

[atomic crane]

I don't have the build anymore tho I sold all my gear to gamba

I had a good gamba luck this league

But

I lost all of them to gamba as well

I can't stop

[full kraken]

Ive switched my build over to zoom mode now, need to focus on div/hr instead of pushing delve depth