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[tranquil sedge]

they're definitely expensive cosmetics

[cobalt blade]

NZ has some rly good worker laws for that at the cost of very heavily limiting a company like ggg's expansion lol

[opaque sphinx]

but

[tranquil sedge]

but if you've been playing for a long time

[opaque sphinx]

its also a cool cape

[tranquil sedge]

you'll have points, most likely

[stuck phoenix]

just search the name?

[full kraken]

The folks that specialize in this stuff are also very expensive. Very very expensive.

Especially with AI popping off, they command way higher paygrade salaries than probably what ggg wants to pay just to make their trade site 1% better

[stuck phoenix]

or do you mean literally just any exceptional gem?

[spring kestrel]

like any exceptional gems

[stuck phoenix]

why

[spring kestrel]

i see option for awakening

[ruby geyser]

It's single handedly why I haven't paid for a cosmetic other than a handful of sale pets

[spring kestrel]

but not exceptional

[stuck phoenix]

shrug

[stuck phoenix]

what

[cobalt blade]

Afaik you cant

[tranquil sedge]

how did you buy them

the points, that is

[frigid wedge]

i love this

[cobalt blade]

Just use the wiki to see every exceptional gem

[frigid wedge]

its so dumb

[stuck phoenix]

there's just no reason to look for any exceptional gem

[tranquil sedge]

or can just look on poe.ninja if u want prices

[surreal mulch]

I think the biggest issue with this games monetisation is the price of hide aura

[full kraken]

Maybe, tbh having a dedicated true DBE is actually pretty rare.

If a company doesnt have a dedicated QA dep, its even more unlikely they have a full on DBE on staff

[stuck phoenix]

there's no reason to have it

[opaque sphinx]

yer i buy sale pets and the kirac pass usually
once in a while i get a support pack (they give coins so its decent value)
and then use those coins on skill mtx

[spring kestrel]

what? why do you think that

[ruby geyser]

You buy the points on trade and then buy from the micro transactions. I only ever paid for stash tabs and cheap pets. It's hard to spend $35+ to look cool although I've come close to it a few times. My regular armor looks dookie

[opaque sphinx]

or tabs

[stuck phoenix]

No. Why do you think you need the option?

[full kraken]

It sucks cuz Ive been on 2 projects with true DBEs on the team and holy shit it makes such a difference

[tranquil sedge]

You buy the points on trade
i meant
are you buying raw points or supporter packs?

[opaque sphinx]

always buy suppoort pack

[stuck phoenix]

How am I supposed to justify the unjustifiable

[spring kestrel]

for farming

[tranquil sedge]

because there's absolutely no reason to buy raw points unless u need like $1 (smallest denomination) of points or something

[ruby geyser]

Ohh I only ever paid for the raw points

[stuck phoenix]

Farming what?

[surreal mulch]

you know some games do have tradable premium currency sacks

[tranquil sedge]

okay
i can't fix the past but can fix the future
always buy supporter packs instead

[opaque sphinx]

30$ support pack gives u 30$ worth of coins but ALSO an armour set and other mtx

[tranquil sedge]

^

[surreal mulch]

but that'd be like. horrible. for poe

[tranquil sedge]

also

[native abyss]

wtffff

[tranquil sedge]

did you spend any money this league

[full kraken]

Like, I can certainly architecture a DB, write usable indices, get it working

But with a proper DBE who actually knows their stuff, we saw queries speed up like 50x to 1000x, it was c r a z y

[spring kestrel]

beasts lmao

[tranquil sedge]

@ruby geyser

[surreal mulch]

the current sup packs are all garbo

[stuck phoenix]

That is not at all related to exceptional gems in any way shape or form

[opaque sphinx]

nah i honestly think ggg would benefit a lot from being able to have tradable supporter packs

and the game too

[surreal mulch]

the only good ones are the giga expensive ones with a hideout

[tranquil sedge]

does support handle requests like that?

[spring kestrel]

how is it not?

[surreal mulch]

no it fucking wouldn't

[tranquil sedge]

like if i buy $30 worth of points and i send a support mail asking them to transfer it to someone else as a pack or something

[opaque sphinx]

u can buy packs for friends n shit but i mean like an ingame endorsement

[normal hedge]

idk but you can gift steam money and they can just buy it themselves

[ruby geyser]

Also think introducing gold as a trade option would be pretty rad

[opaque sphinx]

yeah we do that in our guild sometimes

[surreal mulch]

"yeah bro lemme just spend 30 dollars and get a mirror"

[stuck phoenix]

resultant gems are not exceptional?

[split palm]

Gn chat

[tranquil sedge]

nice

[tranquil sedge]

wdym

[stuck phoenix]

and also, it doesn't spend exceptional gems?

[opaque sphinx]

do contests for 30$ support pack and then we msg ggg to put it on their acc for us

[stuck phoenix]

How is it

[spring kestrel]

the text is blocking it bro it takes an exceptional gem, its an ez af farm just been annoying to search for each gem

[opaque sphinx]

literally already exists

[spring kestrel]

trust

[full kraken]

I thought it does, it consumes an exceptional gem and spits out juiced up normal ones

[opaque sphinx]

thats the point

[surreal mulch]

you clearly missed the whole reason gold was added in the first place

[stuck phoenix]

oh

I see

[opaque sphinx]

we didn't miss the point we just think the point is bad

[ruby geyser]

Yes I most likely did

[spring kestrel]

u get a bunch of easy 20/20 gems that goes for like 100c

[tranquil sedge]

if you mean being able to trade gold, gold is explicitly not tradeable, if it was it'd be pointless

[opaque sphinx]

i play poe to craft not map
gold makes me have to map to craft
unhappy

[surreal mulch]

gold was added to prevent easy infinite bot flipping

[tranquil sedge]

also it wouldn't even make sense

how would you trade gold with gold

[stuck phoenix]

Ask GGG about it, they'll probably add it as a category

[tranquil sedge]

unless you removed gold cost on trading

[ruby geyser]

Ahhh makes sense!

[stuck phoenix]

that is, on the forums

[tranquil sedge]

in which case you dont even need gold anymore

[surreal mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/walken-christopher-walken-too-bad-gif-5247840

[opaque sphinx]

which was stupid

[surreal mulch]

no

[stuck phoenix]

no

[tranquil sedge]

nah it does help

[opaque sphinx]

you know who has infinite gold?

the bots who run 24/7

[tranquil sedge]

that's still less bots than would be trading on faustus if there was no cost

[normal hedge]

think it hurts dad gamers way more than bots that are on 24/7, just added an extra step for them

[stuck phoenix]

not to mention that they're easier to find

[opaque sphinx]

sure but its also a massive annoyance to actual players

[tranquil sedge]

meh

[stuck phoenix]

meh

[opaque sphinx]

ok maybe not u guys but players like me yes

[tranquil sedge]

no i find it annoying at times too

[stuck phoenix]

I'm a casual

[ruby geyser]

I mean I have about 8 million gold and hardly ever need to unless I'm selling expensive scarabs to Faustus or trading chaos for divs or buying items. In which case I don't need 8 million gold still

[tranquil sedge]

but im okay with it

gold this league especially has been easy

[surreal mulch]

there's a difference between someone setting up a character with gear and automating mapping and someone literally just standing there flipping faustus for 30 divs a second

[cobalt blade]

idt a dad gamer trades enough for it to matter?

[stuck phoenix]

It does annoy me sometimes but I consider it a worthy tradeoff

[tranquil sedge]

^

i just wish some gold costs were balanced better

that's about it

[native abyss]

i think other than gold flask slumbering beast my biggest drop yet

[stuck phoenix]

because I genuinely think the market would collapse without it

and like this league

[cobalt blade]

i find it non noticeable past day 3-4 personally but they could prob lower gold cost of converting to chaos

[opaque sphinx]

i do not play poe to map
i hate mapping
its honestly the least enjoyable part of the game
but i like crafting and trading and making shit
which is my entire reason for playing this game
and now i have to do my least fave parts of the game to do the part i actually enjoy

[stuck phoenix]

I'm in low tier maps with 300k gold

[tranquil sedge]

i've played runescape and seen what cost-free trading looks like when people can bot

[surreal mulch]

the extra step for bots is a 100 or more times multiplier to how much effort they have to put in

[karmic gust]

ah thats annoying

[opaque sphinx]

yes its not the end of the world, yes gold is pretty easy to get this league

but i still hate the concept

[stuck phoenix]

what the

[surreal mulch]

because you're scaling against "near instant"

[karmic gust]

because they constantly reset when looting like all the time

[tranquil sedge]

i mean
personally choosing to not do one of the main things in the game is self-imposed

[karmic gust]

at least the foot surf mtx does

[tranquil sedge]

that's like playing ssf and wondering why droprates aren't good

[frigid wedge]

i wouldnt be surprised if theyre one account in a rotation for gold carries

[karmic gust]

so i dont even use it

[full kraken]

Id like to see gold rewards added to some content that cant self supply gold easy.

Namely delve and lab

[tranquil sedge]

also add heist to that

[normal hedge]

nah srev

[surreal mulch]

heist has gold

apparently

[tranquil sedge]

does it

[stuck phoenix]

they did add gold to heist

[normal hedge]

hes gonna say heist is 50m/h again

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[full kraken]

Make occasionally lab chest at end just shit out 100k gold as its reward type

And add rare gold pile nodes to delve

[ruby geyser]

Here me out, allow people to buy cosmetics with their hord or gold they don't need lol

[opaque sphinx]

it is, like i said its not the end of the world
but its hurting the one thing i play poe for that it does better than every other game by a mile

[stuck phoenix]

they literally gave heist a gold room

[tranquil sedge]

i see

good to know 😄

[stuck phoenix]

I see you have not heisted in at least 2 leagues

[surreal mulch]

having designated free mtx would be nice yes

[full kraken]

Yup, heist's approach is what Id like to see for the other content

Sanctum too

[surreal mulch]

even if it's like 2 items

[normal hedge]

rare monsters should drop more gold overall, not just magic monsters

[stuck phoenix]

no

[full kraken]

Like if you can just pick "30k gold" as a reward in sanctum third be cool

[tranquil sedge]

i would probably feel some agreement but in trade league the solution also exists for this problem, gold rotas, they're like 50m gold/hr effective rates or whatever

so its even less an issue tbh

[rancid sluice]

ive got 18m lol clearly i dont use it for anything

[ruby geyser]

Seriously just toss us a few gold specific frosting cosmetics through the league

[cobalt blade]

this is just buying standard race rewards for multiple mirrors btw

[ruby geyser]

rotating*

[opaque sphinx]

yeh and thats what i end up doing and why i haven't stopped playing

[surreal mulch]

frosting

[tranquil sedge]

fair

[opaque sphinx]

im just saying i don't like it

[tranquil sedge]

fair

but also funny

[full kraken]

The fact a horde of magic mobs drops more gold than a soul eater cocaine rare us insane

Rares should be absolutely the most rewarding packs considering how jacked they can get

[tranquil sedge]

lol
yea
more gold on rares would be nice

[full kraken]

GGG needs to assess the reward levels of rare mods

[tranquil sedge]

no

[opaque sphinx]

it is kinda funny, dont get me wrong it makes me laugh all the time that my least fave part of my fave game is actually playing it

[tranquil sedge]

just no

[opaque sphinx]

but it be like that

[full kraken]

Rares literally dont feel worth fighting

[tranquil sedge]

we'll get another historical loot nerf dude

if they touch rares

[full kraken]

Like in the acts, in mapping, etc

[tranquil sedge]

[cobalt blade]

nah we'll get loot pinata hunting again

[tranquil sedge]

but jokes aside yea

some touchups will be nice

[tranquil sedge]

or that

[cobalt blade]

call in an MF culler for your panth touched mob

[tranquil sedge]

either extreme

[cobalt blade]

holy dog shit meta

[full kraken]

Stopping for magic packs: worth it

Stopping to fight a cocaine fueled soul eater mob: literally the biggest waste of time possible

[ruby geyser]

So why hasn't GGG done anything about bots? Old D2 days you'd get permanently banned for running bots

[cobalt blade]

i mean thats why you just gear to 1 tap it

not like hard

[opaque sphinx]

i played WoW for a long ass time but the crafting and shit is what got me
in games like that every single crafter is the same
collect recipe, get ingredients, click button
there's no thought to it, no method, no fuckery of trying to figure out how to actually obtain it, and nobody is known for it

[cobalt blade]

they do

[opaque sphinx]

in PoE thats completely flipped on its head

[full kraken]

Its still a fuckin waste of time even then

[cobalt blade]

people just make more since its a free game and faustus doesnt require anything to use

[opaque sphinx]

and no other game comes close

[full kraken]

Enjoy your 1 aug and 2 rare boots you loot filtered

[tranquil sedge]

nobody can say they do nothing

[surreal mulch]

you're supposed to kill soul eaters before they get fed

[tranquil sedge]

but more botters can always arise

and ye there do exist bots

[full kraken]

It doesnt matter it still drops 1 aug

And like 80 gold

[tranquil sedge]

on that front every online liveservice game is facing an uphill battle

[ruby geyser]

Just seems saturated with bots and you can tell once you start selling shit. I can tell what's a bot sometimes and what isn't

[cobalt blade]

i mean they just die with no effort doing anything else

[full kraken]

Like a single rare mob should on average drop more gold than a pack of magic mobs, full stop

[cobalt blade]

like sure its a waste to explicitly kill one in a corner

that just doesnt happen

[full kraken]

Or about the same

[stuck phoenix]

also realised that I can use my scuffed wand that needs a prefix lock to be good for the time being as a 4 mod wand lel

[full kraken]

But atm I get like 100x the gold from a pack of blue dudes than 1 rare

[stuck phoenix]

same with gloves

[full kraken]

I dunno wtf ggg messed up about it but rares gotta drop more loot lol

They feel deeply pointless atm, when compared to how much stronger they are

Like Im killing juiced up 8 mod rare beasts and they wont even drop a portal scroll ????

What is that lol

[opaque sphinx]

but anyway my point with the tradable supporter packs was to make them like WOW tokens
in wow u can buy a month of membership and sell it on the ingame auction house for w/e the economy decides thats worth
players who don't pay real money, can then buy them for in game gold and add the month to their account, or add the monetary value to their blizzard wallet
its honestly one of the best htings wow ever did
->players without much money and a lot of time, can get the things they want and still support their fave game
->whales with no time can skip the hsit they dont want
->RMT and rulebreaking gets cut down cuz now it has to go thru ggg
->GGG gets a TON more money because the RMT proceeds go to them now

[ruby geyser]

Dude I get the best drops out of randoms and chests and barrels I swear on it

[opaque sphinx]

there's very little downside and a ton of up

[full kraken]

I got +1 mod, 3 beast mods, bismuth ore clicked, and one pack of blue monkeys explode for like 4k gold and the rares maybe at best drop 8 alt orbs lol

[frigid wedge]

this sounds fun

[native abyss]

what if i get a mageblood from the armourers strongbox

[frigid wedge]

be funny

[normal hedge]

you'll get a cat from the meow strongbox

[tranquil sedge]

sanctioned rmt is still rmt, hard pass

[native abyss]

i use the regex to get those strongboxes off my map rilay

[ruby geyser]

Haha seriously? Dude people skip over armors and jewelers but they still drop raw divs and all sorts of other things

[cobalt blade]

yes

[stuck phoenix]

finally actually grabbed lwarp. should've done that way sooner

[native abyss]

i open every single box except the meow strongbox

[normal hedge]

yeah the unique ghost strongbox gave me 99999 mirrors

[cobalt blade]

its just not time efficient

[opaque sphinx]

and in a perfect world i would agree
but unless ggg can overnight make it so that RMT stops existing then there's not much point to it

cuz it still happens, and a lot

[tranquil sedge]

fewer people rmt than would if it was sanctioned

[stuck phoenix]

res is still fine and I have better dps and hp mmm

[tranquil sedge]

evidence is games like wow and rs and eve and albion and so on

where such mechanics exist

[cobalt blade]

it would happen more with sanctioned rmt and it gives a value to non sanctioned rmt which those places now abuse to get gullible people

like in wow this absolutely happens with people selling more gold for same cost of token

[tranquil sedge]

same in runecsape with bonds

eve with its tokens

[opaque sphinx]

i honestly don't think it would
cuz u still need other people to buy the tokens off you and the market will normalize over time

[cobalt blade]

i fully think it would based on data sets of other games

it just will

[full kraken]

Id like to see ggg add a reputation system into the game tbh 🤔

[tranquil sedge]

it very very much would if any other games are anything to go by

[stuck phoenix]

no thanks tbh

[surreal mulch]

sanctioned rmt adds even more dumb babies to the game pool and makes prices of things even worse

[tranquil sedge]

and 'market normalizing' isn't even a good thing

[opaque sphinx]

idk i still play osrs and played a ton of wow after the release and did not see an increase in rmt

[native abyss]

grind rep with maven before you can kill her

[tranquil sedge]

like why is it good if it normalizes

[surreal mulch]

dumb nepo babies cannot build a good economy

[gentle chasm]

i love master rotas

[tranquil sedge]

it shouldn't even deal with it in the first place

[tranquil sedge]

i mean you know just how much bonds go for

[stuck phoenix]

there's still plenty of point to it

[cobalt blade]

u have never checked wow /1 chats on the bigger servers

draenor-eu was filllled with RMT spam

[opaque sphinx]

nepo babies don't give 1 fuck if something is against the rules or not

[tranquil sedge]

it trivializes quite a lot about the game if you are rich enough to buy bonds

[opaque sphinx]

they will do what they do

[full kraken]

Make it have mechanical reward for helping fellow players, like special mtx you get if enough people +1 you

Limit players so they can only +1 one person per day

[tranquil sedge]

in any case

poe is advertised as no pay to win

except stashes ofc

[lean urchin]

streamers wont abuse this, surely

[tranquil sedge]

well not officially advertised

you know what i mean

this would be directly p2w

[opaque sphinx]

again i agree

[potent horizon]

You’ll never really stop people spending money but I can see the good in having those who don’t have the money to spend to be able to achieve decent MTX they otherwise will never see

[opaque sphinx]

im just saying the upsides outweight it because rmt currently does exist

[stuck phoenix]

fuck no

rep loses all meaning if you add that

[tranquil sedge]

when mtx do nothing for gameplay, its irrelevant

[cobalt blade]

fully disagree because it will increase the amount that happens

[fervent jolt]

i see there's a spirited conv going on here but quick question - has anyone actually done a test of breach + beyond with and without a deli orbs? because even one lays is causing a lot of lag for me

[tranquil sedge]

size matters in this case - how many ppl do now, vs will do then

[gentle chasm]

if i have to listen to random bozos beg for +rep i will blow my shit smoove off

[stuck phoenix]

you just invented rep rotas

[full kraken]

Its mostly about rewarding players for not being rude

[cobalt blade]

rep4rep

[opaque sphinx]

yeah maybe, idk i was just always a fan of games that added it because it lets players like me get cosmetics and shit without paying

[normal hedge]

LF rep rotas rep4rep

[stuck phoenix]

eh

[surreal mulch]

the way current rmt exists is significantly better than sanctioned rmt because it cuts down on the amount of nepo babies that actually make it to the game because they get filtered by the sheer percentage of rmt sites that don't even do anything and just take your money

[normal hedge]

50 reps/h

[potent horizon]

If it’s irrelevant why would it matter if sanctioned rmt was added for mtx

[full kraken]

That doesnt work

[tranquil sedge]

because you can't buy progress in the game

[full kraken]

Youd only get a single +1 from a rota per day

[ruby geyser]

Dude I help players daily regardless. People I can tell are new buying fusing orbs or just tossing tabulas to newbies in town etc .. it's a nice break and I like to think that it comes back around at some point

[tranquil sedge]

what do you think is being traded lol in rmt?

[potent horizon]

He said supporter packs above

I assumed mtx

[cobalt blade]

i will say i do like that being an option i just think its bad for the games after its been added every time

[surreal mulch]

in a way fake rmt scammers are making the game better

[tranquil sedge]

the only point of rmt is either make irl money or get in-game money depending on the direction

[cobalt blade]

absolutely not

[full kraken]

Doesnt matter how many ppl in the rota, each person ends up getting only 1 point from that

[cobalt blade]

the way they get their currency daedric is compromising peoples accounts 99% of the time

[surreal mulch]

it culls the herd of pathetic vermin

[surreal mulch]

no that's different to what I'm talking about

[opaque sphinx]

yeah maybe, i personally didn't find the games got much worse but i also never really cared what other players were doing much

[cobalt blade]

they abso fucking lutely do not mkae hte the game better

[tranquil sedge]

-# as an aside im really surprised this convo was not shut down ages ago LOL, not that i hate it or anything, just surprised

[full kraken]

The only way to actually "farm" rep is by being popular

[cobalt blade]

same

[surreal mulch]

I meant ones where you go on an rmt site give them money and nothing happens

[full kraken]

Which Im fine with

[opaque sphinx]

if they shut us down for discussing it thats wild lol

its not like anyone is saying go rmt or rmt is good

[tranquil sedge]

im not disagreeing

just surprised

[full kraken]

The principle is then you'd quickly realize the fastest way to earn +1 rep points is just going in chat and answering questions and being helpful lol

[ruby geyser]

In that case back to farming a mirror. Today is the day guys. Good luck!

[tranquil sedge]

have fun gl

[opaque sphinx]

gl

[cobalt blade]

no it would just be rep4rep

[gentle chasm]

yea but whats the point

[full kraken]

Doesnt work

[gentle chasm]

what does this number help with

[opaque sphinx]

i should do that too but instead i got in chat for a debate cuz idk what to do for money

[frigid wedge]

hmm

[cobalt blade]

??

[full kraken]

You are limited to only giving a single +1 per day as I said, so you could only "rep4rep" once per day

[surreal mulch]

the forbidden shattered simulacrum

[cobalt blade]

yep and if you can only rep once a day

[opaque sphinx]

srev give me all ur mirrors

[cobalt blade]

rep 4rep is the best way

[potent horizon]

You know how there’s ssf and trade why not rmt only league

[lean urchin]

the RMT spammers makes like 1 account per second, what stops those selling their rep?

[gentle chasm]

wts +rep 2 div

[tranquil sedge]

wish i had mirrors

[opaque sphinx]

fuck

[tranquil sedge]

we got him bois lock him up

[opaque sphinx]

AYO THATS RMT

banned

[short prairie]

perfect roll

[frigid wedge]

wtaf

[gentle chasm]

MOD ABUSE

HEEELP

[full kraken]

Nah because you can still earn more than 1 per day, so only way to earn if you cant rep4rep is provide something else of value

[frigid wedge]

this is catalysing

[full kraken]

Just make this a bannable offense

[tranquil sedge]

veiled exalts?

[surreal mulch]

I low-key hate the kind of gameplay overexert support is promoting

[gentle chasm]

[full kraken]

Like you get banned if you post other "not allpwed" trade types

[cobalt blade]

statistically most people you helped will have already repped someone so "guaranteeing" a rep a day becomes the best strategy

[gentle chasm]

ill just trade it in the trade channels

or in a discord

[full kraken]

IE cross league trading

[gentle chasm]

come on now

[tranquil sedge]

nothing stopping u hitting up a discord for it

[full kraken]

Dawg detecting someone trading currency for rep would be easy

[gentle chasm]

idea is stupid and is exploitable as fuck

[tranquil sedge]

would be trivial

[tranquil sedge]

'would be' rarely translates into real action

[gentle chasm]

and jumping through 5187589213 hoops to make it not so

[lean urchin]

this "rep" shit exsisted in counter strike, it was horrible

[cobalt blade]

its also just unecesary

[gentle chasm]

doesnt look good

[tranquil sedge]

and they'd struggle with the false positive rate

there's no scenario in which they'd want that kind of headache

to implement and moderate a system like that

[opaque sphinx]

can we have negative rep too

[full kraken]

Also if someone trades like 2 mirrors to farm rep why do we care anyways

[lean urchin]

u first

[surreal mulch]

no

[tranquil sedge]

yea rep assassins

[opaque sphinx]

would log in daily just to negative rep pixel and not use the system

[gentle chasm]

its an absolutely pointless system just so you can stroke yourself on how "helpful" you appear to be

[tranquil sedge]

pay people 2 div and then they -rep someone for you

[tranquil sedge]

because then whats ur system even useful for

its useless

[full kraken]

Rewarding players with doodads for being nice

[frigid wedge]

catalysing scarab

[tranquil sedge]

rewards that didnt need to exist

[lean urchin]

tft uses it. it totally makes players non-scammers if they got good rep

[mental nymph]

Is this about TFT rep?

[tranquil sedge]

no

its about hypothetical in-game rep system

[lean urchin]

jenebu would never scam

[tranquil sedge]

tft rep is actually useful

[cobalt blade]

presumably said rep would be visible to others to have any use - someone does this uses said rep to scam incredible system

[full kraken]

Paying 2 mirrors for rainbow shoes is an Elon Musk move, most players will just naturally earn it after being not an ass for like 4 months

[tranquil sedge]

regardless of one's opinions on tft

theirs at least does something

[full kraken]

Nah it should not be visible to others

[surreal mulch]

you think people do esex rmt in this game

[potent horizon]

I’ve never seen a rep system add any sort of benefit to a community it’s just there passively

[tranquil sedge]

then its entirely useless, no?

[ruby geyser]

Got one last question I keep forgetting to get an answer to. Are raw divs and mirrors considered basic currency?

[potent horizon]

???

[lean urchin]

get good rep from not-scamming
at high rep mods value your opinion more than random nobodies, scam nobodies

[full kraken]

Its a way to mechanically encourage players to not be rude

[surreal mulch]

no one is rude anyways

[tranquil sedge]

yea but you're also describing an incredible amount of effort

[cobalt blade]

then its not a reputation system???

[full kraken]

No as I said at the start you get some mtx rewards is all

[sage falcon]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

when the alternative is infinitely easier

just discourage chat altogether

[full kraken]

Well, if its an incredible amount of effort to not be rude for you, you dont deserve it XD

[tranquil sedge]

they seem to be doing that pretty well tbh with how idiotic their mute system is anyway

[surreal mulch]

the height of rudeness I've seen in global chat the past 2 weeks has been someone having a disgusting character name and that's it

[tranquil sedge]

no

to implement a rep system

that can't be easily abused

and thats actually good

[lean urchin]

good helpers in global chat gets mental +rep bound to their usernames

[limpid prairie]

Whats the best titanic scarab? i dont know if 4 mod uniques are any good

[full kraken]

You dont care about it veing abused

[gentle chasm]

with ACTUAL rewards too

[surreal mulch]

good question

[tranquil sedge]

okay conversation's gone full circle

im going back to apex hf 😄

[lean urchin]

as a circle irl, im offended

[full kraken]

Its like oh no Elon Musk rmted 4 mirrors to buy likes no one can see to get rainbow shoe mtx

Who gives a fuck lol

[tranquil sedge]

yea that's the same argument i can use to justify so much dumb stuff

pretty trivially do

[full kraken]

You care aboit the other 99% of normal players who are like "ah man if I can resist being an ass for 4 months I get rainbow shoes to flex"

[tranquil sedge]

even something like kira's idea of p2w tokens is pretty easy to justify that way

[surreal mulch]

have there been any updates on the musk smurph situation btw

[meager glade]

im gonna jump

[surreal mulch]

because afaik he just stopped playing

[tranquil sedge]

dunno

but also not bothered with cringerat musk news

[opaque sphinx]

to be fair that is how i justify it in my head

[lean urchin]

he is too influencial to be touched, let musk pay2w

[tranquil sedge]

ye ik its the main reasoning ppl give

[opaque sphinx]

rmt is bad but i also dont care if some random dude paid 5 billion dollars for a 100 mirror build

[tranquil sedge]

the main flaw in that argument

[potent horizon]

Real

[full kraken]

After the situation on the plane where he died to tut boss a bunch I dont think theres been anything else

[tranquil sedge]

its not about whether or not you care

[opaque sphinx]

doesnt affect me

[tranquil sedge]

wrong

it does

its about the effect on the economy

you aren't playing ssf are you

[surreal mulch]

don't base these things on personal preferences and things you care about

[tranquil sedge]

then sure whatever

but if ur in trade economy, rmt indirectly affects you

[full kraken]

Its true

[opaque sphinx]

im not sure how it effects the economy except for making the high end higher end

they dont magic money into the game

they jsut aggregate it

[cobalt blade]

even in ssf it can have an effect on your since your account is a target to be migrated since its how those sites get all their shit to sell

[tranquil sedge]

given that currencies only have value relative to one another, surging demand for specific things can tilt values

[opaque sphinx]

but the surge is only really for those 0.0001% items

[full kraken]

Also some stuff is easier to bot than others so it'll heavily tilt the economy that way

Which is typically bad

[surreal mulch]

how the fuck do you play this game so much and don't understand the basics of economy

[opaque sphinx]

brother what

[surreal mulch]

everything is connected

[opaque sphinx]

no shit sherlock

[full kraken]

If you are like "I wanna farm delve fossils" but its botted to shit, youll find it sucks to farm as a human

[opaque sphinx]

its also very minimal

[limpid prairie]

hand

[opaque sphinx]

timmy being able to buy 5 mirrors to buy an Osin doesnt change the price of essences or 100d items

[native abyss]

moments before disaster

[surreal mulch]

poe is currently running on a very tight setup and having literally any source of "you have giga money now" would have gigantic cascading effects and make buying things for everyone else really hard

[opaque sphinx]

not remotely

[surreal mulch]

it literally does

[potent horizon]

There’s just 5 mirrors off the market and one osin if that’s the case

[opaque sphinx]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

incorrect assumption being made, that only high value stuff would be targetted

everything will be

[opaque sphinx]

????

where do u guys think this money is magically coming from its already in the fuckin game

[gentle chasm]

just take a peak in the current poe2 league with its absurd inflation

[opaque sphinx]

when someone rmts they don't just poof 1k divs into existence

they buy it from someone who already has them

[sage falcon]

for the record i support kira in this engagement

[surreal mulch]

I never played poe2 idk if that's crazy or not

[gentle chasm]

cause the league mechanic is shitting currency

[potent horizon]

Same

[surreal mulch]

I am still flabbergasted by HC trade prices idk how to tell if the prices of poe2 are weird

[opaque sphinx]

poe2 inflation came from ggg causing currency to drop at 10x rates than normal
it has nothing to do with rmt

they CREATED more currency

[tranquil sedge]

that's the case with literally every game that has rmt though

[potent horizon]

Who wins Poe 2 temple or $1000

[surreal mulch]

I think the poe2 tree is a bigger issue than temple tho

[tranquil sedge]

rmt affects the value of in-game currencies and the demand for them

which is what actually impacts players

[surreal mulch]

why the fuck is there no life on tree but they put ES on tree

[tranquil sedge]

doesnt matter if you partake in it or not

[gentle chasm]

it has plenty of issues tbh

but its arguably still unfinished so w/e

[sage falcon]

but imagine how good it would be if it was good

we patiently await

[opaque sphinx]

only in the high end
all it does is let people who would never have the currency to get those items, have it
so demand for those items goes up and the price with it
the price of OSin going up doesn't make ur 20c gear go up

[surreal mulch]

all the damage numbers are tiny so you're better off spending half your points on literally the only available on tree tank option which is shield

[opaque sphinx]

like u can tell that 100% fully from this league alone

[tranquil sedge]

and when someone's short 5d of essences on a craft? quick rmt there to get those essences

what if i failed a few dominances? time to pull out the wallet

how about im just 20d short of that shiny item on trade? credit card leggo

[opaque sphinx]

fub introduced osin builod
osin 10x in price
did all ur other geat multiply by 10 because of it? no

[limpid prairie]

how much is an unid 8 mod? can you sell those?

[surreal mulch]

you are not accounting on where those 4 mirrors would have went otherwise if this rmt transaction didn't exist

[tranquil sedge]

thats not even remotely the same argument

[opaque sphinx]

it literally is

[tranquil sedge]

its not because i already said your original assumption is flawed

[surreal mulch]

every rmt transaction is removing a normal transaction

[tranquil sedge]

you think only a few things will be targetted by people who rmt

[full kraken]

I would love to see a poe void league where ggg flips the rarity of currencies

Where mirrors drop like candy but like... augs and alts are rare

[tranquil sedge]

you literally said you play osrs

[surreal mulch]

because you're trading for like points or some shit like that instead of currency

[potent horizon]

You think everything will be targeted

Why is your logic more sound

[opaque sphinx]

that doesnt change those prices at all though????

[full kraken]

Like people start mirroring their rare maps cuz mirrors are so common

[surreal mulch]

how the fuck do you even know that

[tranquil sedge]

it affects the demand for divines which aren't going into the game at any higher of a rate dude

which will then affect the trade ratios for anything using them

[slow sonnet]

Trialman succesfully ragebaited

[opaque sphinx]

no it doesn't though ? the demand is still there
those divines still exist and are still part of the market
he didn't poof 5 div from thin air he got them from someone else

if rmt generated divines when you purchased them this logic would all hold up

but it doesn't do that

[surreal mulch]

he removed the other currency that those 5 divines would have bought from the market pool

[tranquil sedge]

no there's nothing removed, poe economy is closed loop
lemme think sec

[surreal mulch]

because you traded the divines for something that's not in the market

[tranquil sedge]

but while i try to figure out wat i was trying to say

will point out, it would actively incentivise botting

[surreal mulch]

or are you arguing that those point pouches would become part of the economy? in which case yes you would literally be inflating them by generating them from real money

[tranquil sedge]

and that will introduce new shit to economy

[opaque sphinx]

...what

[tranquil sedge]

it'll also fuck over anything resembling progression at all

ladders and races will mean absolutely zero

[surreal mulch]

you want tradable point pouches right?

[opaque sphinx]

that was so nonsensical i don't even know how to reply to it

[surreal mulch]

it wasn't you're just weird

[tranquil sedge]

maybe we just consider this a nice ending point for this entire convo lol

and all go play some games

[opaque sphinx]

the ladder already means 0 but u can just remove that from races lol

[tranquil sedge]

-# nvm its almost 4 am i should sleep

-# gn

[opaque sphinx]

if poe was a super competitive game the whole thing would be moot i agree
but its mostly single player and nobody actively competes outside the races

gngn

[surreal mulch]

it basically does tho

[surreal mulch]

answer this shit

[lean urchin]

"but its mostly single player and nobody actively competes outside the races" but the big dick contest in #1┃general says its a competition

https://giphy.com/gifs/michael-jackson-6pJNYBYSMFod2

[opaque sphinx]

sure but there's no reward for it besides saying u got a big dick

[potent horizon]

What if we could use the biggest dick to generate money and buy divine to remove essences from the market

[surreal mulch]

i hate it when weak people do this kinda shit as soon as I get a good argument

[opaque sphinx]

brother the fact you're saying im weak and your argument is flawless is why im not continuing to do this with you

[stuck phoenix]

I think I've gotten 5 coins from the last 6 or so maps

[surreal mulch]

I'm not saying it's flawless

my phrasing could have been better

[stuck phoenix]

str or int coins, that is

[surreal mulch]

which exactly why I'm trying to reask things and make sure we are on the same page

[stuck phoenix]

alch and go

[twin arch]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/dmv_security-0303/DMV?i=0&search=class%3DHierophant%2CInquisitor%2CGuardian%26sort%3Ddps%26columns%3Dcharacter%2Clevel%2Clife%2Cenergyshield%2Cehp%2Clowestmax%2Cdps%2Ckeystoneskill

think im gonna build this

How do i prevent the “waah i spent all my money and the build sucks” problem

[surreal mulch]

price those gloves

you're kinda fucked I think they are at least like 400 div

aim for a build without pseudolink rares first

[twin arch]

i could sell my boots for that much and buy the gloves

xdd

[surreal mulch]

also price the rings

[twin arch]

Oh the rings are fucked

Those are like 200d

[surreal mulch]

those are giga attribute stacking rings

also if you're already attribute stacking you're better off playing a build that's fun to actually pilot like mjolner cyclone

[twin arch]

mjolnir could be fun

Im just experiencing an issue

I want clear but the meta options dont use templar

Well i guess theres kboc

But like

[surreal mulch]

also god that 4 cluster tree looks horrific

[twin arch]

Can you really spam kboc with the helmet

[copper vale]

Don’t follow the meta then

[twin arch]

The whole tree is horrific

[cobalt blade]

you just play non elevated non slower proj and its fine

[twin arch]

Are you seeing this shit

you wrap around back to fucking shadow tree

xdd

[cobalt blade]

but that defense looks like shit

[twin arch]

yeah

[surreal mulch]

cyclone plus ball lighting of orbiting is already good clear

[twin arch]

Its

[cobalt blade]

also ew

echoing instead of accel

[twin arch]

Scuffed

[twin arch]

Wait

[sage falcon]

1.2b dps seems somewhat unneccesary

[twin arch]

Get me a video of this please lil guppiño

[copper vale]

Cyclone with echoing?

[twin arch]

ball lightning of orbiting

[surreal mulch]

no

[copper vale]

What is bro cooking

[twin arch]

That sounds visually pleasing

[cobalt blade]

spark pob

[twin arch]

Find me a video

[surreal mulch]

anyways they scale with like aoe and templar gets to have aoe from attribute stacking

[cobalt blade]

average hit on spark btw

[twin arch]

ok

[copper vale]

Search up Mr beast

[cobalt blade]

or well average dps per proj

[twin arch]

@cobalt blade whats ball lightning of orbiting look like

[cobalt blade]

doesnt count duration on ninja kek

[copper vale]

He make good builds

[cobalt blade]

its rly bad in some layouts with walls

[twin arch]

1 infraction is in your future

[cobalt blade]

or trees

[twin arch]

Oh

[cobalt blade]

(jungle valley)

[twin arch]

My eeby gleeby chud life

Nvm then

[cobalt blade]

the balls instantly get destroyed on hitting a wall

[twin arch]

What else we got

[cobalt blade]

but if you run like exclusively dunes orbitings good

[twin arch]

Spark is too finnicky im not smart enough to do spark

I did spark like years ago

do you even sytnh nebulis x2 anymore

[cobalt blade]

aura stack still does

[opaque sphinx]

finnicky?

[twin arch]

yeah

[copper vale]

For being helpful? Ok Mr khaibeast

[opaque sphinx]

cast speed proj speed pierce is finnicky

[surreal mulch]

https://youtu.be/cBEE1nObKeU

[twin arch]

yea

[rocky glade]

Wait why does this Trinity icon look so strange?

[cobalt blade]

unholy trinity

[rocky glade]

Not my pic, but someone is playing it

[rocky glade]

Ah

[twin arch]

Ooh not a fan of that clear

[copper vale]

Unholy trinity it scales with lightning phys and chaos dmg instead of tri element

[cobalt blade]

its also ignore res

instead of pen

[devout shoal]

what gear do i upgrade now? https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/BuddingRomance-2819/miragehcssf/character/SearingExarchKiller

[rocky glade]

Okay but why Lightning

[cobalt blade]

blight for amulet anoint

[twin arch]

Hmmmm

[copper vale]

The red Colour is chaos dmg

[copper vale]

Cuz funni

[rocky glade]

Like Phys and Chaos make sense since they go hand in hand

[stuck phoenix]

something something the unholy trinity is doedre maligaro and shavronne and they deal those damage types

lore

loreeeee

[surreal mulch]

phys

[rocky glade]

Oh right those fuckers

[twin arch]

okay am i just blind

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage?class=Hierophant%2CInquisitor%2CGuardian

These builds are either st or like 5 bazillion mirrors

[copper vale]

Oh tho phys is white color

[twin arch]

maybe im too picky

[copper vale]

Malware btw don’t click

[twin arch]

Spammability isn’t common for high clear builds ig

[cobalt blade]

try looking at week 2 pobs maybe

2-3

narrow it down to cheaper ones

[twin arch]

wtf

Was i supposed to have 3 mirrors week 2

Im playing like shit then

Holy

[copper vale]

U were

[twin arch]

i only have like 900d rn

[cobalt blade]

no i mean for finding cheaper builds

[twin arch]

Oh

[cobalt blade]

youll see less minmaxed ones lol

[copper vale]

Look up sebk first weeek spark build

[stuck phoenix]

well, actually they're apparently called the godless tree according to wiki but whatever

[twin arch]

Uh bad news

When i do that

I see kf totems

Like perma

im not playing a leaguestarter in month 2

[cobalt blade]

ez fix

[twin arch]

Ok so

Its QUITE LITERALLY

ONLY procession and ice trap

[cobalt blade]

huh i see procession spark absolution kboc

[copper vale]

elemental hit didn’t show up in ur Poe ninja?

[stuck phoenix]

time to go grab some ice cream

[cobalt blade]

processions fun as hell tho once you make it deal damage

[twin arch]

I dont see kboc or abs

i see one spark

[opaque sphinx]

what i farm

[twin arch]

Ive seen it

Its not visually neat to me

[twin arch]

Unironically heist

I did one blueprint

2 simplexes and a ring

[copper vale]

Damnation cards

[opaque sphinx]

why do u guys hate me

[fervent jolt]

i was just going to complain in here about ggg banning in chat for "the rword" but it got automodded in here too lol what a fucking joke

[twin arch]

I dont

Heist is good

[copper vale]

We pro gamba need more supply

[cobalt blade]

wtf do you expect

[opaque sphinx]

???

[twin arch]

what a profile

[copper vale]

Says kailby

[twin arch]

what kind of trainwreck was your life up to this point that you end up in this moment you’re in right now

poor guy

[spice pecan]

don't worry we love it when people get muted and then come here to crash out

[twin arch]

we’re not

But slurs are bad

[opaque sphinx]

^

[stuck phoenix]

Well if you want a ban here too we can fix that?

[twin arch]

is your job at target hard lately

[fervent jolt]

that's not a slur it's a very good inult

[cobalt blade]

^

[opaque sphinx]

literally a slur

[twin arch]

you could go back to the community college for an associates degree

You did fail the last time you tried though

Dunno if you’re cut out for anything real in this life

Always worth a shot though

[copper vale]

What is bro yapping about

[twin arch]

Slurs are bad

see how much more creative you can be

[copper vale]

Why u try to reverse therapy the poor guy lol

[twin arch]

Well, how much more creative i can be

not so sure if you have the capacity given what you’re here for

Back to important subjects though like my next build

ive not built spark since sentinel

Ive no idea how it even works

[opaque sphinx]

proj speed

pierce

[copper vale]

Animeprincess spark

[opaque sphinx]

cast speed

[stuck phoenix]

This isn't a good insult when you don't know anything about the other person

[cobalt blade]

proj speed duration cast speed action speed from accelshrine belt

vibe

[twin arch]

its plenty good

[copper vale]

Sebk spark is multi mirror super fast and tanky

[twin arch]

Theyre an archetype

[stuck phoenix]

It's just stupid

[copper vale]

If u have the budget for it

[wheat sinew]

tfw poe glitches out

[twin arch]

And if its wrong, then its super sad that theyre in this spot and have such success in real life

But they never do

The kind of person to do that sort of thing in these sorts of places never are

one day maybe

one day ill be proven wrong

[twin arch]

Gulp

Sounds like a lot of rares

Ive already crafted a ton of rares this league

My head hurts :(

[cobalt blade]

it can be

doesnt have to be

[copper vale]

It’s fun tho

Crafting is fun

[limpid prairie]

if you over pay for an item someone will recieve an order completed with 20 times as much money as expected right?

sounds funny

[twin arch]

what

Context

[spice pecan]

no. if you put in an order, you get the amount that you requested

[opaque sphinx]

faustus

[twin arch]

https://external-preview.redd.it/the-i-require-context-reaction-image-soyjak-is-an-edit-over-v0-Q79NatR4DNm8peeFTi9mRH8Xh9c9M4lF0Qdjj-iLy8k.jpeg?auto=webp&s=5f8ef5cf6c783e9a348c82af10bfec3b9db067cc

This is me

Context

[twin arch]

No

[opaque sphinx]

the more recent order gets the better deal

[twin arch]

I dont think so

I dont think it works that way

[limpid prairie]

you can pay whatevre you want
you can pay 1000 C instead of 100C to surprise someone for fun

[opaque sphinx]

it does

[twin arch]

If it does then til

wowza

[stuck phoenix]

It's not about them though, it's about the other side

[limpid prairie]

right?

[twin arch]

thats funny

[cobalt blade]

u get the excess back

[twin arch]

Ya

Ive always had this experience

So

[limpid prairie]

really? buhhh!

[twin arch]

See

Told you kira

[real sun]

Hey guys
Is there an easier way to look for items i have in pob in trade website other then go through the stats and type them manually one by one?

[twin arch]

Im booored

[spice pecan]

however, if you list a scroll of wisdom for a mirror, and someone goes to buy a wisdom for a mirror, you will get that mirror

[twin arch]

I wanna make a build

[spice pecan]

gg ez

[twin arch]

Ive got 900d and nothing to spend it onnn

:((((

[tender forge]

poe 1 players deserved the league delay that is incoming

[opaque sphinx]

if i list 1k ess for 3k chaos and it its not insta sold, it will sit there
then if someone comes in and tries to buy 1k ess for 20k chaos
they get 17k back and i get my 3k

thats how it works

[fervent jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-gif-5676038700371371386

[sage falcon]

i just discovered there are two lowfatlattes on this server

why is it so

[twin arch]

@weary raptor @tender forge

[tender forge]

last one got hacked :/ i can no longer access

[lean urchin]

ban evader

[twin arch]

Ban evader,,,

Moooods

[tender forge]

no my other one has never been banned

[twin arch]

im surprised it hasnt if all you do is off topic in poe1 chat

Susge

[tender forge]

i usually don't but i felt rage baity today :p

[twin arch]

low quality

Go to poe1 g1 and watch guy named taint post

[tender forge]

tru, u got me lol

[twin arch]

learn from him

Masterclass

[tender forge]

yes sensei

[sage falcon]

it dont have to be this way

we can all live inharmony

[twin arch]

Bloon im bored

Bloooon

Bloooooob

Bloooo

[sage falcon]

poe1chatters and poe2chatters alike

play the game

[twin arch]

Bloon i want to make a templar clear build

But none of them suit my neeeeeds

[sage falcon]

and if that isnt interesting to you go do something with no relation to poe whatever

[tender forge]

agreed, but like, also. Drama fun 😄

[twin arch]

I want something 500d with 100m dps and offscreen clear and hold down right click style gameplayyyy

But it doesnt exiiiist

waaaaaaah

[sage falcon]

i would second the sebk spark recommendation

sebk is a cool guy and his builds are always the coolest

[tender forge]

i am so thirsty for POE news for both games that i want to create my ownOnO

[twin arch]

is he cool

Ok

Can u link me

Lil gup

[opaque sphinx]

sebk is awesome

[twin arch]

🥺

[fervent jolt]

i posted in another discord something like "it's a shame we can't discuss poe2 balance without poe2 fanboys jumping down your throat" and then someone spent half an hour insulting me

[twin arch]

i require links

This is my link shirt

[sage falcon]

kid named youtube.com

[twin arch]

this is my link hat

[twin arch]

Im like

[sage falcon]

0/2

[twin arch]

widewawwy at the tv rn

im widewawwy rewatching mashle

[spice pecan]

is that english

[twin arch]

Im widewawwy pwepawing fo da new season

[spice pecan]

what language is that

[sage falcon]

execution.

[fervent jolt]

what did he mean by this

[tender forge]

unarmed monk

[twin arch]

noooo

[opaque sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEqiRSPJrTI

[twin arch]

Ty kira

I love u

U smell way better than bloon

[sage falcon]

0/2 on GettingPeopleToAgreeWithYouTM

[twin arch]

Blooon

Bloooon

[sage falcon]

you message as if i have known you for years

[fervent jolt]

buddy my record's a lot lower than that

[twin arch]

we can tell

[fervent jolt]

they're cooking my ass in r/anime

[opaque sphinx]

ive known bloon since he was still a rubber seed

[tender forge]

sir this is a wendys

[twin arch]

Me or who

i message like that with everyone

We’re all friends

People like it

Im very personable

[tender forge]

that is exactly what an alien cat would say. Sus

i dont think ur a peeple

[twin arch]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-cat-gnarp-gnulp-gif-9455338940083246873

Speaking of bloon

@sage falcon blackborder count check

[native abyss]

okay i have some money what do

[twin arch]

Sebk spark omgie we can twinsies

[native abyss]

[opaque sphinx]

do i just do harvest

[sage falcon]

yo i havent played this game in a longg time

[twin arch]

wtf

[timid crow]

https://pobb.in/9VZnFx5kq5D-

[twin arch]

Larper

[sage falcon]

iirc it's like a dozen lol

[twin arch]

Thsts pretty good

I think i only have 20

[sage falcon]

but they're all easies

[twin arch]

ya ive only got like

[sage falcon]

cuz i was going to do all of them

[twin arch]

1 expert

[sage falcon]

and got bored

[twin arch]

1 hard

2 mediums

And the rest are easies in order from left to right

Goated game….

[native abyss]

im not that rich wtf

[twin arch]

Iron flask

Thats a new one to me

When did they introduce ward

[devout shoal]

i dont think my amulet is good enough to be annointed

[limpid prairie]

bruh i just killed shaper who do i have to bash for this to let me go in

[cobalt blade]

i mean some cheap one prob worth it

[sage falcon]

3.15 with expedition

[twin arch]

Elder

you gotta get the

Two red two black

fragments

First

[limpid prairie]

oh uber elder

[twin arch]

Yeah

[cobalt blade]

like not hard to get these for example

or some of the other okay ones with the common oils

[rocky glade]

Do you even need 17 jewels

[cobalt blade]

(tho your not going suppression it was just the simplest cheap anoint i could think of that has some level of impact)

[rocky glade]

This is so overkill lmao

[cobalt blade]

it does

[cosmic eagle]

have you even seen those pesky adorned build?

[rocky glade]

I did not

[cobalt blade]

you need your iron flask to have enough charges gained to recover instantly on hit

you need less duration jewels to make your skeletons die on summon

or well reduced dura*

and then heroic tragedy is mandatory sublime/forbidden jewels good

[cosmic eagle]

that jewel count is still less than those adorned build

[cobalt blade]

pretty average amount of jewels tbh

lol

[limpid prairie]

Dropped 25 C lets goooo

[cobalt blade]

like my fross also has 17 since 2 abyss jewels

[cosmic eagle]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/Geayukari31-5450/GeayuMirage?i=1&search=items%3DThe%2BAdorned

22 jewel gaming

[short prairie]

Any Woespike impale builds?

[cosmic eagle]

ill impale you

[short prairie]

rude

[dark sequoia]

I'm a bit worried I will hit a ceiling on tornado of elemental turbulence

[rancid sluice]

so ive got a bunch of timeless emblems from stacking splinters in simu, they worth running? never messed with em

[dark sequoia]

Any idea how to build defenses on an assassin?

[rocky glade]

ES/Block/Spell Suppress

The usual suspects

[opaque sphinx]

elusive stack
giga EV
% reductions like AA/flesh stone/foulborn xoph amulet

endu charges

i played a decently tanky assassin last league

[rocky glade]

Thats 3 layers, enough to save you from one hit of Lightning Mirages

[opaque sphinx]

u can FF shadow's blind node

[dark sequoia]

I'm wanting to do a poison tornado build with bino's but that doesn't really leave a lot of room for really big scalars

[native abyss]

gambled 5 kboc and lost

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/hgGvXy-hpZTw

[native abyss]

i aint cut out for the gamble life

[opaque sphinx]

i had a more recent pob than that but it can give u a baseline

[cosmic eagle]

[dark sequoia]

Okay what about
FRoSS Brands

[opaque sphinx]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/LocoCocoa-1921/KeepItToYourself?i=0&search=name%3Dkeepitto&timemachine=week-13

think thats where i ended upo with it roughly

[cosmic eagle]

play cyclone impale

[dark sequoia]

I'm stuck between playing:
FRoSS Hiero with Witchhunter's Judgement
Poison ToET Assassin with Bino's

[spice pecan]

play dual strike of ambi impale

[short prairie]

ew cyclone

[cosmic eagle]

do you kiss mobs to attack?

[cosmic eagle]

[lament hearth]

I’m bored again

[trail cobalt]

im gonna go to sleep and hope every expensive thing in my market tab has sold

[cosmic eagle]

why is it so damn annoying to farm shaper bases shield man

[twin arch]

@spice pecan they talking abt you in g1

Someone asked about an “ancient fossil”

[dense rock]

because you could farm almost anything and get more than enough currency to buy them bases far more efficiently than you could ever farm them

[twin arch]

Knew they was looking for you

[opaque sphinx]

harvest or ritual

[cosmic eagle]

i wish its that easy in ssf just buy everything

[limpid prairie]

itd be cool to have a looter NPC
who picks up 4 quads of ramdom item you missed and you can buy them at ramdom prices for SSF

[short prairie]

why they all bad

[devout shoal]

why am i getting so many divines

[ebon tendon]

does that assassin node have a purpose

[short prairie]

yes

paired with trickster to become immortal

[ebon tendon]

i see the vision

[limpid prairie]

its 15 C in trade and they say its expensive to be immortal

[lament hearth]

Someone gimme some other farming strategy
I’m using CWS
Don’t say ultimatum

[limpid prairie]

trialmaster

[lament hearth]

[fervent jolt]

delve

(with swag)

[rancid sluice]

cant you pretty much afk simu's with that

[limpid prairie]

didnt say ultimatum (:

[lament hearth]

Simu worth it?

[lament hearth]

Fair point

[rancid sluice]

eh youre hunting voices they go ffor like 10d unid

[fervent jolt]

simu may be the most boring thing to farm in the game currently tbh

[lament hearth]

Hmm

[dark sequoia]

lab

[fervent jolt]

i stand corrected