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[final owl]

bake him away toys

[tranquil umbra]

nah we'll

https://klipy.com/gifs/steel-ball-run-johnny-joestar

[full kraken]

fun fact, I had to spend 2 divines divining the affix on these so each one had a different numeric, so I can tell them apart lol

[slate fossil]

wait i went to go do some searching apparently fubgun doesn't even fight bosses? he just gets up to voidstones and then perma maps for infinite currency?

[full kraken]

actually wait... can I just craft a different bench suffix to tell them apart or do bench mods change the name meaningfully?

[tranquil umbra]

this is normal btw

it's a completely valid way to play

[slate fossil]

is this a regular thing? like people dont even fight the map boss?

[final owl]

yeah depending on the strat / map i don't bother with boss

[full kraken]

fighting bosses is typically not very profitable, the margins tend to be fairly tight, its 99% gambling

[tranquil umbra]

yeah

[opal ingot]

rich guy

[tranquil umbra]

I only bother with boss in deli because it actually is good

[full kraken]

mapping, lab, heist, delve, are consistent and reliable profit, other stuf is more so gambling

[opal ingot]

can you pass me 2 mirrors

[final owl]

boss kills get you jack diddly unless you have a reason to

[full kraken]

gotta stay liquid yo

if you have divines and not spending them, you aint min maxing! XD

[slate fossil]

is that ruthless or what?

[tranquil umbra]

there is 1 reason to kill a boss even if you are not farming bosses

to guarantee no boss altars

[final owl]

well that and challenges. stupid astrolabes

[full kraken]

no its just the byproduct of this

[surreal mulch]

mine resistance

[slate fossil]

ah bestiary yup

[surreal mulch]

I still think it's fucked up how beasts have actual names

instead of designations

[full kraken]

oh, derp, I forgot to 3S my items

[surreal mulch]

makes you feel bad killing them

[surreal mulch]

blanch...

[full kraken]

yup

[surreal mulch]

I have a blanch addiction

[spring kestrel]

how do we know if a scarab can be used more than once to stack effect in map device?

[opaque sphinx]

bruh every unique abyss jewel sucks for hot

[surreal mulch]

even though just slamming chromes or tainted chromes is usually way more efficient for when I need to swap

[opaque sphinx]

read it

it says "limit: "

[tranquil umbra]

what did you do

[opaque sphinx]

stupid boots

[short prairie]

Arrogance

Reserve life

[tranquil umbra]

senses I know

why go this route and not just replace a support idgi

[opaque sphinx]

i dont really lose anything swapping to it

and replacing a support wont really change anything

[short prairie]

What the heck is your build

[tranquil umbra]

herald of thunder

[opaque sphinx]

they are all 130% rme besides invert the rules at 140

[tranquil umbra]

farewell to flesh

[opaque sphinx]

but invert is giga strong

[tranquil umbra]

did you know that

lightnign pen

[short prairie]

[tranquil umbra]

deals more dps

than invert

[short prairie]

Nah

[tranquil umbra]

I am using his pob rn

[short prairie]

You use the runegraft

[tranquil umbra]

I am literally seeing the numbers

he is already

[short prairie]

Give them more res

[tranquil umbra]

no he can't do that

[tranquil umbra]

lone messenger

[short prairie]

[opaque sphinx]

lightning pen is 11% worse

[short prairie]

Pen is more stable than invert but

Invert when triggered can out dps pen

[opaque sphinx]

if i use confuctivity its prob better

[short prairie]

With lighting damage invert is not as reliable I think, at least without lucky

[opaque sphinx]

ele focus beats out invert

[short prairie]

Sometimes you roll 0 lightning damage invert triggers and then you roll 3000 damage it doesn’t

[opaque sphinx]

if i use conduc

[tranquil umbra]

ele focus

nahhhhhhhhhh

[short prairie]

Wait

[tranquil umbra]

oh wait hot can't shock anyway

[opaque sphinx]

hot doesn't shock regardless

[short prairie]

Hot doesn’t shock anyway

[tranquil umbra]

continue

[full kraken]

see, Im debating if Im fine enough keeping on the less good inc phys mods

[short prairie]

I love how we all typed the same shet within 1 second

[full kraken]

I lose about 40% inc phys, which is non trivial

[tranquil umbra]

1 brain cell

[opaque sphinx]

fuck

if i use ele focus i don't reserve enough

[short prairie]

[full kraken]

it did however hit crit dmg suffix which is yummy

[opaque sphinx]

i swapped bubonic to a minroll

holdup we can volatile it

[full kraken]

I think I might be willing to take the less good prefixes if I already pass the enchant step on it, but if I dont have the enchant yet I wont waste a woke orb on it yet

[opaque sphinx]

[tranquil umbra]

oh my god bruh

get a dragonfang

[opaque sphinx]

but amulet > boots

fuck

[opal ingot]

whatre these people making

[bleak quiver]

ag gloves i think?

[opal ingot]

and no that was not a question

[tranquil umbra]

what if you got

+2 dura +1 all ivory tower

[short prairie]

Why’s this so easy for you

[tranquil umbra]

smile

[short prairie]

It took me literally 3 hours to craft an 11 link

[opaque sphinx]

no damn ivory tower

banned

[tranquil umbra]

he has 20 donors

already prepared

[surreal mulch]

you know who can shock? spirit of fortune baybee

[opaque sphinx]

nope minions banned too

[surreal mulch]

why

you're witch

[tranquil umbra]

give me a build with NOTHING

[opaque sphinx]

i hope aura/effect minions actually get deleted

[tranquil umbra]

nothing?

[opal ingot]

again!?

i am blessed

[short prairie]

Time to flicker gloves

[full kraken]

yee yee

[opaque sphinx]

just so damn tired of every build these days slapping in minions regardless of being a minion build or not

[tranquil umbra]

bro got tired of the 11th minion pact build

[short prairie]

Just harvest reforge till frenzy

[opaque sphinx]

use this broken spectre
use that broken spectre
use minion pact
run AG for free shit
hey we summon tigers cuz why the fuck not

[onyx adder]

Minion pact is getting run the fuck over next league dw

[tranquil umbra]

personally I shoved in AG and spectre on my bannerman because I was buffing the shit out of them with my banners

[short prairie]

It’s… uhhh technically… gone

[onyx adder]

The bigger issue imo is the change to spectre respawns means utility spectres are free

It was meant as qol its being used as free power

[dry onyx]

is there a way to toggle channelling skills?

[tranquil umbra]

wdym toggle

[bleak quiver]

wth do you mean issue, its totally fine

[onyx adder]

I mean issue because i agree with kira that its an issue

[dry onyx]

so i ont have to hold all the time, just click to turn on and the click to turn off

[bleak quiver]

they are finally being used for their intended purpose and thats somehow bad?

[ruby geyser]

Can Emperors Luck pull 5x Divs? I trade those in thinking it's possible

[tranquil umbra]

yeah no that's not an option

[lean urchin]

5 mirorrs too

[dry onyx]

kinda annoying to hold a button all the time while playing cyclone

[dry onyx]

damn

[ruby geyser]

You're not serious?

[onyx adder]

If u want to use utility minions u should generally need at least some nominal investment into making them not die imo

[tranquil umbra]

better than pressing it every half second let me be real

[lean urchin]

i am, good luck getting that though

[tranquil umbra]

some skills are carpal tunnel speedrun

[bleak quiver]

and they do?

[dry onyx]

with cyclone i hold the skill all map long opretty much

[tranquil umbra]

that's still less terrible for your hands compared to pressing one skill every half second

[onyx adder]

Its really hard to kill guardian turtle or AG

Some of the squashier spectres are in an ok spot

[normal turtle]

what is what you want here? just the up for chaos right and less penalty?

[onyx adder]

I dont mind those

[dry onyx]

pressing one skill is way way more comfortable than holding the button all the time

[onyx adder]

And tigers are fine theyre basically a buff not a minion

[bleak quiver]

ag is very easy to kill, guardian turtle isnt, but thats not even a bad thing, any build with more than 100ms cant use it, pretty much forced to actual minions and/or bad builds

[steel light]

think there's a way when u keybind to number pad, alt tab and it'll stay auto the whole map until u cancel or got stunned

[tranquil umbra]

the convocation

[onyx adder]

Its rly hard to kill an AG with one (1) survivability item tbh

[opaque sphinx]

numerically its not that bad it just annoys me that the "summon 20 tigers skill" is used only by non summoning builds and not for the tigers but just the buff they give

[onyx adder]

Thats ok imo if u treat them like a buff

[dry onyx]

what if i make a macro to hold a button is that bannable?

[final owl]

they're pretty useless outside of the buff they give aren't they

[tranquil umbra]

yes

[bleak quiver]

thse who say that have never used a minion setup, its not reliable at all

[tranquil umbra]

I did use it in gauntlet

[opaque sphinx]

i guess, if it was just 'gain a stack of tiger fury" or some shit it'd be the same thing and i'd be less upset with it

[tranquil umbra]

it's good enough

[dry onyx]

i guess im never revisiting cyclone builds then, sucks

[onyx adder]

What i dont like is that ur utility minion is rapidly becoming something ur just throwing if u dont include it

We arent there yet

[opaque sphinx]

close tho

[onyx adder]

But its only going one way right now

[bleak quiver]

with pob warriors, maybe

[tranquil umbra]

it's either with pob warriors or transfusion slop

[opaque sphinx]

nah

[tranquil umbra]

because as it turns out 90% dr lets AG survive regardless of the shitass gear on it

[opaque sphinx]

even last league for example int acc and every endgame build used a spectre

usually turtle

cuz it doesnt fucking die even with 0 invest

its free determ

and u cant beat that with 4 sockets

or at least its really hard to do

[onyx adder]

Maybe i just hate turtle and AG

[bleak quiver]

very strongly gigantically hard disagree, but fine

[onyx adder]

Some of the squashy spectres u do actually need like a 4L

And thats enough investment that u dont want them that often

[opaque sphinx]

those 2 are the big issue for me but i just conceptually hate the idea that any spectre or minion can survive at all without u being a minion build

[opal ingot]

holy crap

i finished my craft so fast

[surreal mulch]

they cant

[opal ingot]

and fbexalted a t1 life

LOL

[opaque sphinx]

not all can, but some definitely can

to keep ag or turtle alive as an endgame build is very easy to do

[onyx adder]

Yer since u dont need it to survive literally everything always anymore

[tranquil umbra]

transfusion makes every minion unkillable if you think about it

[opaque sphinx]

that didn't exist last league and it was still an issue

[opal ingot]

the fuck?

[opaque sphinx]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/

[tranquil umbra]

yer

[opal ingot]

bro this is super lifetap lol

[opal ingot]

well, in one way

[bleak quiver]

souls dont grant dmg reduction to minions btw

[opaque sphinx]

15% of ALL builds used raised spectre last league

[tranquil umbra]

?

[bleak quiver]

5% atk and cast speed

[opaque sphinx]

10% used AG

when actual minion builds are like 3% of the meta thats not good

[opal ingot]

aw rip

[tranquil umbra]

On monsters and minions, each eaten soul also grants 2% less damage taken.

they literally had to fucking change this

[bleak quiver]

read the patchnotes for soul eater

[tranquil umbra]

this league

I KNOW

The Damage Reduction from Soul Eater stacks is now capped at 90% less damage taken on Monsters and Player Minions.

[onyx adder]

Maybe minion pact is how ggg reduces the percentage of people using turtle and AG

[tranquil umbra]

it's onyl capped now

[onyx adder]

[tranquil umbra]

so you don't get 100

[bleak quiver]

wait, you are actually right

[tranquil umbra]

it's still 90 dr

[bleak quiver]

yeah its just capped

[tranquil umbra]

why do you think agos is so insane this league

[opaque sphinx]

lmao true

[bleak quiver]

it already was good

[tranquil umbra]

you give that mf crack with transfusion

[surreal mulch]

grey wind

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/Ohf-c5bSkeIg aiight this is what we got so far

honestly what i can say from this for a fact

[bleak quiver]

that was already in the game, people jst dsnt notice it was crazy

[tranquil umbra]

you give your agos foulborn seven league and 45 souls

[opaque sphinx]

i don't like Hot and it sucks

[tranquil umbra]

now it has 259% aspd

[surreal mulch]

I remember seeing a good thunder build

with 3 rings

[opaque sphinx]

im not saying it can't be done, but playing around with this shit is fuckin annoying

deals no damage and almost impossible to make tanky

and everything is finnicky

[onyx adder]

Oh good, you have successfully arrived in uh

2016

[bleak quiver]

its pretty crazy this league thanks to volatile on the rings and anihilating

[opaque sphinx]

i just wanted an autobomber man

[tranquil umbra]

vaal eq

[opal ingot]

what if you know

ggg just decides to

[onyx adder]

If u want it to not die thats probably impossible

[opal ingot]

make fracture minimum 5 mods

and made it twice as common

[bleak quiver]

if he didnt like hot imagine vaal eq

[opaque sphinx]

everything else is dot or wardloop and i don't have 400 mirrors for that

[onyx adder]

If u want to just run at things and hope they blow up, then as oxi said u just put on an annihilating light and a pile of storm secrets

And dont stand in things that can kill u

[opaque sphinx]

so no farewell to flesh?

[tranquil umbra]

slap on loreweave also

[opaque sphinx]

the fuck does that do

[tranquil umbra]

oh that's max res

lmao

[opaque sphinx]

[daring bluff]

yo

you still online?

[opaque sphinx]

i guess can farewell and just use shavs

[bleak quiver]

they use farewell to flesh

[tranquil umbra]

hello

[daring bluff]

so you told me about that list

[opaque sphinx]

how the fuck do u use farewell to flesh without the esh shield or shavs

[opal ingot]

so are these anime gooner hideouts done in irony

[tranquil umbra]

ivory tower

[daring bluff]

and to check if my third "unwanted" stat would be in between the 2 wanted ones right

[opaque sphinx]

bruh

[tranquil umbra]

or coruscating

[onyx adder]

Theres nothing wrong with esh shield for hot btw

[onyx adder]

It adds a bunch of dmg

[tranquil umbra]

have fun with that one

[daring bluff]

disorienting display and prismatic heart are the ones

[bleak quiver]

with fixed embed
https://www.rxddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1snwvhj/arrogance_herald_of_thunder_farewell_to_flesh/

[daring bluff]

so.... is there no between?

[tranquil umbra]

yeah you are not getting a perfect cluster

[daring bluff]

gotcha

[short prairie]

good expliocit rolls but bad implicit

[tranquil umbra]

or you are changing the notable to be less optimal

[daring bluff]

so that cluster just dosn't exist?

[tranquil umbra]

yes

[daring bluff]

ty

well fuck now what do i do LOL

gonna go check pohx guide again

[opaque sphinx]

the foulborn one isnt the one with the added dmg mod

[tranquil umbra]

you can try changing the notable

[daring bluff]

surely i'm missing somenthing

[tranquil umbra]

why would rf use

disorienting

huh

[opaque sphinx]

visage has the chaos mod, mirror has the flat light

[tranquil umbra]

tf are you doing

[daring bluff]

OH

[tranquil umbra]

there we go

[daring bluff]

following pohx

SHIT

so i had the right one LOL

[opaque sphinx]

ah yeah i saw this but the fucker uses coruscating

i refuse

[bleak quiver]

he dsnt

read the first line in the post

[onyx adder]

Coruscating is fine anyway

[opaque sphinx]

its literally in the pob and the vid sur

[bleak quiver]

THE FIRST LINE

[onyx adder]

I wouldnt run it in hc

[onyx adder]

But like

[tranquil umbra]

no actually disorienting is not between prismatic and burning

[onyx adder]

Its fine

[fierce shadow]

Nice damage, we did it lol

minus damage

[opaque sphinx]

so he uses shavs in the other version

[bleak quiver]

no more coruscating, fixed

[daring bluff]

nono i mean the guide says i can use aeither prismatic or burning

[opaque sphinx]

yeah but then u gotta shavs

[bleak quiver]

[tranquil umbra]

oh ok

you could just get both

[daring bluff]

true

[tranquil umbra]

I would get both

[opaque sphinx]

how much dmg do i need to get for it to actually feel just ok to play

10m?

[native token]

I hope they do not delay poe1 now

[tranquil umbra]

they will I heard

[heavy charm]

oh they will

[opal ingot]

the government is controlling my bandwidth

[heavy charm]

they still respect the rule of not overlaping both games

at least we won't have another 1 year league ..... right? Right Jonathan??

[tranquil umbra]

we won't

they have separate teams now

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-get-over-here-mk11-mortal-kombat11-gif-17129778

and tehy pull the poe1 team

[heavy charm]

Why did I heard this many times already from their Q&A

[bleak quiver]

i already lost all hope and now on the team of hopping they fuck up that game as hard as possible

[heavy charm]

but .... here's my COPIUM

they only did this ....this time ... to 1.0 release on Christmas

[tranquil umbra]

this will result in a cascade effect which causes poe1 to die as well

[heavy charm]

since Jonathan try really hard to releas 1.0 this year

[bleak quiver]

dying fast or dying slow, same result

[heavy charm]

they gonna kill off 1 game sooner or later

and then merge both game together

that's what i'm hoping for, to go with their original plan

2 campaign route, 1 endgame

[bleak quiver]

nah, they will just stop with poe 1 when they start making a significantly larger margin from poe 2

they are a company in the end

they dont give a shit about the one that makes less money

[heavy charm]

FYI they dislike scapping content, but they LOVE reuse assets

[bleak quiver]

that is never happening

[heavy charm]

best scenario is just merging both game, which i don't see why not

[bleak quiver]

they already smelled the money in the water with this campaing simulator shitfest they made, no reason to even pretend poe1 exists

[final owl]

they will never merge the games. i'll put money on that

[heavy charm]

now i understand why they still stick with "sharing MTX" in both game

to counter this issue

of financing which game earn them big money, since .... "technically", they're the same game

[daring bluff]

anyone know how to "open" stacked decks faster?

[final owl]

and thus far all of the "poe1 deadge" dooming talk has been 105% wrong. so

[bleak quiver]

its just the cheaper solution to maintaining the poe1 crownd funding their other game

[bleak quiver]

ctrl or shift

[tranquil umbra]

you've taken the blackpill it seems

[heavy charm]

you know the NPC open div card?

[daring bluff]

yes

[heavy charm]

Ctrl+Click the card while opening the NPC UI will be very fast

[daring bluff]

lilly right?

[bleak quiver]

nah, im just a realist, they are a company, they dont have emotions, they just exist to make money

[daring bluff]

what?

[bleak quiver]

and poe2 makes more, simple

[daring bluff]

it dosn't work

[heavy charm]

or the throwing ground method, which i forgot how to do it

[daring bluff]

oooh

[final owl]

they do have emotions. and irrational attachment to things. they are not a giant LLM or piece of accounting software. they are people.

[bleak quiver]

ignote this npc thing

[daring bluff]

crt right

nvm

[heavy charm]

oh my bad .... stacked deck can't sorry

[bleak quiver]

juust hold ctrl and rightclick in a zone

[daring bluff]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH

oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tranquil umbra]

bro

[bleak quiver]

damn

[tranquil umbra]

what the fuck.

in ssf

[drowsy eagle]

now make it 5

[sage falcon]

gamble time...?

[daring bluff]

YEAH

[opal ingot]

if i had an apothecary

i would gamble it

[tranquil umbra]

he is on ssf

[daring bluff]

i mean no reason not to gamble LOL

[tranquil umbra]

he literally can only gamble

[opal ingot]

oh yeha

[daring bluff]

POOF

[drowsy eagle]

lol

[opal ingot]

lol

[sage falcon]

lol

[daring bluff]

RIP

[bleak quiver]

thats just what you want to belive, and soon as you start making enough money, investors talk first, and they dont care about the emotions of the product, they just want it to make more money, and poe 2 made ggg enter the big leagues, its all downhill from here

[daring bluff]

still do ty for the help

[opal ingot]

what

i just got a 0 strand consumed regal

good things await me

[drowsy eagle]

is foulborn ex with strand better?

[heady cliff]

this league pretty much solved the biggest complain about game balance in poe1

reality disagrees

[bleak quiver]

oh dont get me wrrong, im noot saying the game is dead

they still need uus to pay until poe2 1.0 comes out

im just ready for it to be over soon

[final owl]

ok, here is my rebuttal - that is just what you want to believe.

[heady cliff]

could have been over with eternal settlers league

[bleak quiver]

yeah, we were really lucky

[heady cliff]

my point is that companies typically do not throw significant chunks of their business in a trash bin for no reason

and poe1 is still significant

[bleak quiver]

they already put it in the recycling bag tho with settlers

thats what i mean

[heady cliff]

and overlap between games is not that high for... VISION(tm) reasons

[bleak quiver]

they are ready to cut lose ends

[heady cliff]

so both could exist and be developed

if they make poe2 more poe1-like

then yeah, it is possible

but at that point, why not?

[tranquil umbra]

if they make poe2 more poe1-like then at that point poe1 has served its purpose

like

[bleak quiver]

yeah, making poe2 more like one would bbe even worse

[short prairie]

[bleak quiver]

not only were they already making less money, now they are identical, even more reasons to let it go

[twin arch]

how do you make poe2 have a good endgame and seperate it from one

[final owl]

i genuinely don't understand peoples fascination with doomer prognostication when they don't have any actual insider information.

[twin arch]

Poe2 rn is like

Pre-awakening update poe

Where act 3 was the cap

[short prairie]

20+ coortex no apostate nor rational

[tranquil umbra]

it's called preparing for the worst

[twin arch]

She prognosticate on my pontificate til i proliferate my ideas

[bleak quiver]

didnt you notice how much success it is doing with no endgame?

why would they care about having one

[twin arch]

idk

i just wont play it tho

Poe1 is special to me

You blaze the acts

Get money

Upgrade to a second build

Blaze maps

[final owl]

loyalty to their customer base maybe? anyway I am thoroughly bored of this conversation.

[twin arch]

Upgrade to a third build

Then grind to a fourth build with a high af ceiling

Its fun

[tranquil umbra]

the one thing a company does not want is losing their existing playerbase

[twin arch]

And each league gives you a new way to do so

[drowsy eagle]

you forgot gamble and lose everything

[bleak quiver]

thats only if they dont have a bigger one

[twin arch]

i dont do that cuz gambling isnt fun when u win

[heavy charm]

same ... I won't play PoE2, but will play once its actually "well cooked"

[bleak quiver]

remember fortnite before battle royale?

[twin arch]

If it was fun to dupe a house of mirrors from 1 into 10 id do it

But its not fun

[heavy charm]

right now, i don't wanna disappointed myself by its .... BETA-phase

[twin arch]

Yeah, i was an alpha tester

very fun game

Why

[bleak quiver]

agree too

[daring bluff]

the tower defense?

it was fun

[wispy oyster]

Wasn't there a statistics showing that majority of players don't even reach endgame

[final owl]

I play poe2 because i have an interest in game development and it's interesting to see it evolve via the choices they make. i don't invest as much time as poe1 though ofc.

[twin arch]

Yeah

[heavy charm]

I'll play it when is READY

[twin arch]

The zombie shooter

its out free now

[daring bluff]

yeah

[twin arch]

Pretty fun still

[daring bluff]

wait reaçlly

[twin arch]

I convinced some of the friends to hop on and play it with me

Now that its free

We had a fun time

[daring bluff]

okay, first time playing niko/mine

[twin arch]

wish i had more free time though

[daring bluff]

wish me luck

[twin arch]

Finals week

[heavy charm]

Meanwhile Warframe been occupying my time until next league

[opal ingot]

wheres the keystone that says

you cant be pushed by mobs

[tranquil umbra]

unwavering?

[opal ingot]

thats stun

[bleak quiver]

the phasing flask keystone

[opal ingot]

call it unmoveable stance

[twin arch]

Unwavering stance

i think

[twin arch]

Oh

[drowsy eagle]

6th run wish me death guys

[wispy oyster]

Grind is real man
I bought soulframe too

[twin arch]

Uh

What if instead of knockback

It turned it into pull in

[tranquil umbra]

try to die less than I do

[twin arch]

Cuz knockback immunity would be a bit strong

And inverting the effect would create some fun gimmicks

[short prairie]

better angle

[heavy charm]

meanwhile i also dislike soulframe, is like exact same situation as PoE2

[bleak quiver]

they really need to give us a better source of reverse knockback....

[heavy charm]

Is slower ... like PoE2

[twin arch]

I think itd be cool

Capstone

[forest flower]

maven kinda hot

[wispy oyster]

I don't dislike it
It's not like Warframe
And it's still in EA

[twin arch]

“All knockback is inverted” type shit

[heavy charm]

yup, exactly like PoE2 situation

[twin arch]

Could you imagine the build potential

Whats the skill that knocks you back on use when you use it

Hoooly

[wispy oyster]

Bro simping for maven
I saw a Zana vs Maven subreddit post in the old days

[bleak quiver]

imagine if it wsnt dogshit....

[twin arch]

Ya

Make this a keystone

And legacy the item

unironically

[bleak quiver]

maybe a mastery

[heavy charm]

man .... there's used to be a thing with MF build .... until they nerf it .... as always ....

[twin arch]

Ok

Compromise

[heavy charm]

the Ghost-Vacuum build ...

[twin arch]

Next league

They give it to us as a reliquarian option

[bleak quiver]

the vacuum cleaner was crazy

[twin arch]

If its looked upon favorably

Then

They change it again

[bleak quiver]

i remember the OLD vacuum cleaner

[wispy oyster]

Poe and Poe2 need to fix uniques tho
So many edge case uses / useless uniques

[twin arch]

give us the old vacuum cleaner back with reliquarian

[bleak quiver]

when herald of ice would stilll crash instances

[twin arch]

Smilew

[surreal mulch]

brutal shrine empires grasp cyclone

[heavy charm]

PoE2 has more useless-situational unique

[bleak quiver]

ACTUALL TRUE

insane reliquarian potential

[twin arch]

I know

[heavy charm]

PoE1 most unique have potential, just waiting community to figure it out the broken combo

[twin arch]

Im a genius

Can you imagine though

Crown of Eyes and Empires Grasp on reliquarian in the same season

So youd have to pick

between what you want to build

Xdd

[bleak quiver]

crown of eyes would be gutted into shit

[heady cliff]

knockback on hit is low key op for many builds

[wispy oyster]

Wait isn't Maven the octopus thingy too

[twin arch]

Put it on reliquarian

Could be funni

[heady cliff]

it gives insane defensive layer for many fast-hitting good coverage skills

[twin arch]

Elder

[bleak quiver]

she is

the brain has tentacles

[twin arch]

O

U mean the metroid

[last saffron]

Server keeps crashing

[twin arch]

ya i guess

[last saffron]

my maps cant connect to them and shit annoying af

[heady cliff]

stability check

[twin arch]

unstable

Not sane exile

[bleak quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[twin arch]

in this, the realm of the past, I am king

[surreal mulch]

insane giga veil of the night value

[flat laurel]

def unstable

[bleak quiver]

veil of the night + volatiled incandescent heart

[sleek barn]

are the servers shitting themselves

[bleak quiver]

and... something...

[sleek barn]

or is it my pc

[wispy oyster]

I am now grinding to get the challenges
I now feel burn out running maps

[flat laurel]

Definitely servers.

[tranquil umbra]

take a break if you feel burnout

it's not worth burning out for poe

[livid quarry]

got like 60 more days of mirage

[gritty garnet]

now imagine how your kingsmarch mappers feel

[wispy oyster]

Ah ok cool

[limpid valve]

finally

[wispy oyster]

But they fail maps

[onyx adder]

I wish there was a gameplay option that let me automatically right click off the brutal shrine buff whenever i get it

Or any other buff of my choice tbh

[twin arch]

Whats the shit that you go negative lightning res for

[gritty garnet]

glove swap into reverse knockback

[kindred silo]

doryani

[twin arch]

That could be fun to give to reliquarians tree

Give reliquarian doryani

Saves a slot

imagine what you could do

[gritty garnet]

we had it for mercs

[twin arch]

O

did it suck

[gritty garnet]

no more fun allowed

[onyx adder]

Given the rest of reliquarians tree it would just make ur lightning res not work

[twin arch]

Or was it goated

[onyx adder]

And have no other abilities

[twin arch]

ya ok fun hater

[bleak quiver]

was very broken

[twin arch]

Give reliquarian the vacuum

Give reliquarian empires grasp

[surreal mulch]

pls just let me play phrecia

[bleak quiver]

yeah, i support vacuum reliquarian

[kindred silo]

man having to avoid echoing and acceleration shrine for kf was a nightmare

[bleak quiver]

that shit would be peak

[kindred silo]

honestly the worst part of the build

[surreal mulch]

I regret missing phrecia so bad

you go to clown

[wispy oyster]

I want PoE to have like a campaign overhaul

[twin arch]

Give reliquarian screams of the dessicated but it cycles between a random lesser shrine every x seconds and gives you 20% to shrine effects

[gritty garnet]

endless ledge to 100

[final owl]

phrecia 2 was fun

[twin arch]

I think people would unironically play that

[surreal mulch]

that's literally guardian

[twin arch]

And then equip a baseline dessicated

Ya ok but it doesnt have amped shrine buff

[bleak quiver]

so... guardian

[steel light]

holy shit, is this the lowest price across all leagues?

[livid quarry]

how much dust

[surreal mulch]

yeah idk why it's so low considering this is ring inflation league

[short prairie]

why are the rational doctrines following me

[gritty garnet]

don't forget to quality your kalandras

[opal ingot]

LOL

[surreal mulch]

kalandra's touch has no downside of variety with 3 rings

[opal ingot]

oh yeah

20% suffix for the cool

[gritty garnet]

20% increased top or 20% increased bottom ring

[steel light]

ilvl 85 will be much higher

[bleak quiver]

enchant it too, it works (lies)

[opal ingot]

20% increased bottom

that means a stronger foundation

damn cant catalyze it

mirrored

[steel light]

pretty sure quality works for dust?

o nvm

[surreal mulch]

how do I see people have reflected kalandra's touch

like leaning left

[steel light]

got baited by oxit

[limpid prairie]

Im going to temple some kalandras and make some profit

[surreal mulch]

btw how bait is 3 organic rings

I guess you can't have res on them

[opal ingot]

ripperoni

the other breach rings can still get their other res with harvest swap

but the organic ring doesn't have an element it can swap

[onyx adder]

Just click em and play the build like it was meant to be played

Special ed bladeflurry

[surreal mulch]

I'm surprised they made multi synth items giga cancer to get instead of removing them entirely

[opal ingot]

i hope they nuke kf next league

[surreal mulch]

because an endurance charge ring is basically just better organic

[bleak quiver]

why not both?

[onyx adder]

Trust me this is not the most cancer that multi synth items have ever been

[kindred silo]

i played it before it become popular smh

[surreal mulch]

the price on synth has never been in a good place

[opal ingot]

same here.

[onyx adder]

I have PTSD from entire tabs full of fuckin

Thorns items

And uh

[opal ingot]

kidding i played it last league but only after lolcohol giga promoted it

[surreal mulch]

better pdr

[onyx adder]

Light radius items

[bleak quiver]

just get a +1 endurance organic, problem solved

[onyx adder]

And i cant fuckin remember what else other garbo mods u needed to keep in their own tab for the synthesizer to work

[surreal mulch]

I meant implicit

[bleak quiver]

yeah

[surreal mulch]

you can't

[bleak quiver]

you can

[surreal mulch]

how

[bleak quiver]

harvest bench

[surreal mulch]

did they... did they add synthesizing orb to harvest bench?

[bleak quiver]

it was always there

[surreal mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-gif-27005200

oh no it's not a synth orb actually

you don't get to influence what you get

[forest flower]

but she hawt

[bleak quiver]

just make a loooooooooot of imprints

[surreal mulch]

no

[onyx adder]

That button is invariably trade 5k juice and 1 oshabi buttplug for 6% global armour

No exceptions

[bleak quiver]

until it hits 3 implicits

[onyx adder]

Always 6% global armour

[bleak quiver]

then its beast jail

[surreal mulch]

what's wrong with global armor

[onyx adder]

On a tattoo? Great

On ur synth chest implicit? Not so much

[surreal mulch]

on a tattoo you're sacrificing some delicious 10 strength

[surreal mulch]

trade site is telling me you can't have both pdr and endurance charges on implicit

[bleak quiver]

oh yes, thats impossible

but it is still a organic ring with endurance tho...

[surreal mulch]

what's the point

[bleak quiver]

it looks cool

the other ones have use tho, bloodline

[surreal mulch]

I guess

yeah I figured

[bleak quiver]

also, funny that you askked about it

cuz steve was/is using a organic endurance ring

[surreal mulch]

why

also why is it so yellow

[onyx adder]

Maybe he likes the art

[surreal mulch]

is it foil

[bleak quiver]

nah, the guy who posted it to sushi's server just sent this ultra blown picture

[surreal mulch]

I wonder if avarius ever imagined this shit

[full kraken]

I was /just/ about to post about how I havent seen this card drop in a long while anymore and then...

[surreal mulch]

wait no sry uh

[full kraken]

third one of the league

[onyx adder]

Ur thinking of venarius

And he's been too busy summoning zhp bosses and pretending its a real uber

[inner vault]

anyone else having server instance issues(Na)?

[bleak quiver]

yes

[surreal mulch]

venarius

[surreal mulch]

they're not zhp if you can't read the map mods

[surreal mulch]

these are apparently giga target farmable

you can just have them

[opal ingot]

bro can i win a gamble now

0 wins lately

just one click

[steel light]

u're a car?

[opal ingot]

LMAO

[surreal mulch]

don't gamble

[full kraken]

going all in on unique enemy boosting?

[bleak quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/gamble-stan-twitter-peabody-mr-peabody-dog-gif-14326289508561902630

[opal ingot]

true

time to save myself

[surreal mulch]

I think you just spam betrayal in general as hard as possible

[steel light]

1 click to get it over with

[tranquil sedge]

pretty much

[inner vault]

only need one win

[tranquil sedge]

just full send betrayal

[surreal mulch]

I genuinely can't tell if titanic scarab does anything

[full kraken]

I have been farming betrayal with ITF showing up to every encounter since league start :p

[surreal mulch]

when I was using it to try to get more corn juice they didn't seem to do anything

[short prairie]

should i get 10 bases and then beast lock check

[surreal mulch]

there is a funnier way of searching for it but I can't post it here

[bleak quiver]

connor really likes that one

[tranquil sedge]

what are you trying to do

that you think you need 10 bases

[bleak quiver]

make a better 11l probably

[short prairie]

hitting level 20 ele damage with attacks instead of +1 to all gems

[tranquil sedge]

yea but 10 bases for a hover 😮

[full kraken]

10 bases? not donors?

[surreal mulch]

look what they need to reach a fraction of voidforge

[bleak quiver]

time is money

[short prairie]

donors i meant

[full kraken]

ahh kk

[surreal mulch]

(yes ik squire exists)

[tranquil sedge]

again
wat do u do with 10 donors

[steel light]

1 belt from 5 barya, down bad

[bleak quiver]

eat them

they good

[tranquil sedge]

1 influ mod, 1 + 1 influ mod, 1 + 2 influ mod

what's the other 7 bases for

[full kraken]

I went with 5 donors per mod, and 4 bases cuz that easily fits in inventory and can be easily juggled still

[short prairie]

check if woke orb hits ele dmage with attacks?

[tranquil sedge]

^

[short prairie]

wait

[tranquil sedge]

^

[full kraken]

you typically want 1x 1 affix, 2x 2 affix, 3x 3 affix ideally

cuz you have a 50/50 chance to "hit" on the 2 affix, and 33% chance to "hit" on the 3 affix

[tranquil sedge]

and how do you guarantee the two 2-affix bases are different seeds

same for the three 3 affix bases?

[full kraken]

they dont need to be afaik, as long as they are different mods

[tranquil sedge]

are you sure about that

[full kraken]

like, if you "hit" on both of the 2 affix donors, you'll see the same outcome, yes

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[full kraken]

but you often will hit on one and miss on the other

so you boost the odds from 50% to 75% you "hit" on the 2 affix one

[tranquil sedge]

afaik i remember this long ass writeup in 3.25 phrecia i think it was about how to determine what mods are there on the multi-affix donors to decide whether they're the same seed or not

[short prairie]

[opal ingot]

i want it

[tranquil sedge]

it was a forum post

let me try to find it

[opal ingot]

forum wha

holy

hoep you commented on it

[short prairie]

beast lock also helps to see if prefix is filled

[full kraken]

I dont aim for like, different "seeds" on it, I dont care if say, both of my 3 affix donors "hit" and that means same outcome

I care about the fact that I only have a 50% to hit on 2 affix, but if I have 2 different ones now its 75%

[tranquil sedge]

I only have a 50% to hit on 2 affix, but if I have 2 different ones now its 75%
this is the part im questioning

[short prairie]

are you guys talking about recomb

im confused

[tranquil sedge]

no, woke orb

[full kraken]

and then with the 3 affixes I go from a 33% to hit, to a 70% chance to hit

[tranquil sedge]

if the donors have the same seed, even with different mods, it doesn't matter if u hover one or two or ten

that was my understanding

[short prairie]

woke orb rolls like chaos but keeps the 2 influenced, no?

[full kraken]

the odds of same seed is super low but I mean, you'd notice asap if they both keep giving the same outcome every time

and if that happens just go get another 2 affix donor

[short prairie]

how many donors did you check with beast lock

[full kraken]

but Ive never seen that happen

[tranquil sedge]

okay as long as you meant this then that's fine

ill find that forum post, sec.

[surreal mulch]

WAIT THIS GAME HAD JUN ZANA YURI AND THEY REMOVED IT IN 3.17?

[short prairie]

wdf

[full kraken]

yes

[short prairie]

so 10 is not enough

[opal ingot]

wtf

[bleak quiver]

yeah

[surreal mulch]

what the fuck

[full kraken]

I have 4 different "donor" mods that are acceptable I can check

[surreal mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-kneel-kneel-kneeling-avgn-angry-videogame-nerd-gif-25509746

[opal ingot]

they removed peak?

[tranquil sedge]

i mean in ssf at the least you want to be checking one each of 1 affix, 2 affix, 3 affix donors, i imagine

and if you can prepare different-seed 2 affix bases, then that's good

same for 3 affix

[surreal mulch]

they removed zana

[bleak quiver]

jun wanted to raise kids with her after she was done with the syndicate, but zana went away first...

[opal ingot]

and zana said fuck the atlas

[surreal mulch]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Jun,_Veiled_Master#Zana

[opal ingot]

wheres my poe dating league 😔

[bleak quiver]

99% of the budget would just be einhar

[short prairie]

i still dont know how lock works, if i have 2 bases with ruthless and check with woke orb, do seeds change?

[opal ingot]

the way you moved counter-clockwise showed me you are suitable for the task

[opal ingot]

oh yeah

speaking of einhar

[tranquil sedge]

the logic to decide whether two bases are same seed or not was in that forum post im trying to find lol

[opal ingot]

isn't there a lore with one of hte wildwood npcs

einhar said he loved her

[tranquil sedge]

at least, that's the closest source i recall

[opal ingot]

ok sorry for discussing lore

[short prairie]

i see

[tranquil sedge]

its just effort to find it so might take me a while

[short prairie]

i prob need to watch more caplance

when hes crafting

[bleak quiver]

lore is the poe version of fun facts

[full kraken]

wait what

[bleak quiver]

almost at 10k, no idea on about 90% of the characters motivations

[full kraken]

who bought out all the scours

[onyx adder]

I have some suggestions as to the appropriate eligible bachelors bachelorettes beings of indeterminate gender

[short prairie]

i clearly watched it some time before

[opal ingot]

does it have strands in it

if not, tell him when will he post Awakener Orb Crafting + Beast Lock + Strand is VERY VERY strong

[short prairie]

september 2024

[opal ingot]

ah

then tell him

[limpid prairie]

no wonder the uber strict filter is highlighting them

[opal ingot]

unless he's gatekeeping the tech to keep all the money to himself smhsmh

wtf

[full kraken]

quick time to drain the chance orb market

[bleak quiver]

no shot

[opal ingot]

im never going back to that again

[surreal mulch]

do you think trialmaster would be a shit husband if you ever manage to rescue him from chaos

I can't tell

[limpid prairie]

apparently i have 1600 C in scours

[short prairie]

@tranquil sedge caplance says donors need to have a second influence mod on

[full kraken]

you can 4:1 chance orbs into scours

[bleak quiver]

infinite money glitch

[opal ingot]

yeah

i did that entire thing last league

[full kraken]

someone definitely bought a trillion scours in the past 15min

[opal ingot]

i just kept buying hundreds of thousands of chance orbs

to get a double influenced mb

i thinki stopped at around 850 divs invested

[surreal mulch]

investing ten quadrillion dollars into a scour strat

[opal ingot]

worst gamble ever

(if i got it, it would be the best gamble ever)

[surreal mulch]

did you even get a unique

[tranquil sedge]

look call the desired mod A, and every other letter is some other influenced mod

then the simplest set of donors is just item with A, item with AB, item with ABC

now question is what if you have item with AD instead of AB

is it same as hovering AB or different?

[limpid prairie]

how much is a double influence mage blood?

[full kraken]

prolly some high roller chance orb'ing some T1 base for shits and giggles

[tranquil sedge]

if you can ensure its different but still transfers the desired mod A

[bleak quiver]

depends on the influence

[tranquil sedge]

then its another chance on every hover with 2-affix bases

[short prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_PzeNAvy7s&t=1448s

[surreal mulch]

anyways if you're wondering scours were like 1.5-2c before this

I expected them to be under 1c for some reason

[tranquil sedge]

not all 2-influence donors are the same, nor are they all different

[opal ingot]

since we dont care about B or D, then it's the same

[tranquil sedge]

that's the point

[surreal mulch]

I know this due to my severe regret orb addiction

[opal ingot]

do i get points

[tranquil sedge]

no

that's the point

its not necessarily the same

[surreal mulch]

I ate like 300 regret orbs in the past 4 days

[opal ingot]

huh

[tranquil sedge]

look if you can hover AB and AD as donors and they both transfer A but also ensure different outcomes on the chaos orb part of the woke orb
then you have two bases to hover, each lock

ensuring the different outcomes is what makes AD and AB different, and also more effort

otherwise, yes, its pointless to hover both

[reef pewter]

If I have Molten Shell -- Automation setup, and since molten shell has the "Spell" tag. A ton of my spell block is based on if I've casted recently "+8% spell block if you've casted a spell recently" does this count with the automation, since it's not directly a self cast? Or no?

[opal ingot]

oh, havn't realized the chaos orbs are different on AD and AB

(assuming you won A on both)

[tranquil sedge]

right

[opal ingot]

TIL

[tranquil sedge]

and figuring out why/making sure those would have different outcomes

thats wat i was arguing with pixel about

anyway i gotta go clean house but ill try to find the forum post

[opal ingot]

mirrors

[surreal mulch]

you can literally test this ingame

[opal ingot]

like 3 or 4

[tranquil sedge]

if i do ill just tag everyone who was in the conversation when i find it 😛

[surreal mulch]

your spellblock shows up in character tab

[reef pewter]

Yeah trust me I would, but I've been just working on my PoB for awhile since I"m out of town and so i dont have the game with me lol

just me and my macbook

[short prairie]

GOD crafting with woke orb beast lock is tricky

[reef pewter]

so i was wondering if somebody already knew

[short prairie]

still a lot more crafting to learn

[opal ingot]

its always tricky until you see the light

[limpid prairie]

i love the one who bothered to add the delve

troopper

[short prairie]

even caplance says he doesnt fully understand the rules

[surreal mulch]

anyways if it says you then it almost always doesn't work with triggers

[opal ingot]

you should

for lock corrupt

to eat the delve mod instead of the good implicit

[surreal mulch]

you can however do some dumb shit where you put a convocation on your skill bar and keep it held down permanently

[reef pewter]

ohh ok

[opal ingot]

the gamer move would be to keep strands while having it double corrupted

[surreal mulch]

because that counts as casting

[reef pewter]

hey that's a good idea. like installing a macro to spam the key or just self-spamming it

[surreal mulch]

it even counts as casting a minion spell

[limpid prairie]

then it goes up to 5/6 mirrors

[surreal mulch]

macro bad

[opal ingot]

heh

[reef pewter]

and it gives me a tiny regen

[reef pewter]

oh ok

[onyx adder]

"Cast a spell" basically always equals "pressed the button"

If u no press button

[opal ingot]

out of the 8 influenced mageblood, 3 of them have delve mod

[onyx adder]

U no cast spell

[reef pewter]

oh.. ok

[opal ingot]

this leads me to believe that the 5 of them are possibly from costly curio

[onyx adder]

So pressing convocate x10000 works

That is pressing button

[reef pewter]

got it

[opal ingot]

cuz who would spend thousands of divines and a bunch of mirrors and not put the delvemod on it

[reef pewter]

guess i'll just have to spam it then

[onyx adder]

Depending on ur build it could easily be overkill to do that

[bleak quiver]

me making uniques for astrolabe last league and not doing it

[reef pewter]

aurabot so it's good enough

[opal ingot]

huh

[onyx adder]

If ur alrdy frostblinking at least once every four seconds

U dont need to do anything else

[reef pewter]

yeah i shield charge mostly, and im scared not to have my block always up

[short prairie]

100 bases from caplance only generate about 6-9 unique outcomes

[reef pewter]

not sure if i should drop molten shell to fit it in

[short prairie]

insanelu low ratio

[reef pewter]

but i'll find a spot

thx for the help guys

[surreal mulch]

what class

[reef pewter]

scion

[bleak quiver]

so 100 bases is good, ok

[short prairie]

nice got an AB donor

[surreal mulch]

I was gonna suggest witch for mistress of sacrifice for bone offering but you probably don't have enough gem slots being an aurabot

[short prairie]

imagine a crafting system requiring a whole lecture from a youtuber to understad

lol

[bleak quiver]

isnt that peak poe?

[short prairie]

ye

[surreal mulch]

they removed harvest

[reef pewter]

yeaaa nope. ive used all of my slots

[surreal mulch]

and necro

it's funny how scion was a fucking aurabot for ten thousand years and then they add reliquarian and the first ever reliquarian has victarios influence

it's like ok bro

[reef pewter]

yeah but reliquarian still sucks for aurabot compared to ascedant. the best one tho is champion now. they're OP (except for spell support, which is me) bc they have GREAT 3 nodes then made 4th asc node, but now we have bloodlines and when you pair with "more than skill forbiddne felsh/flame" setup they're practically immortal

it's insane

i wish i had known earlier so i could have done champion but ascendant is still pretty darn good too

it's the best one for spellbot, like wrath which is what ido

[bleak quiver]

wrath it up

[rugged geyser]

Anyone here playing in french/german/thai/japanese/german/chinese and want to help me out a bit?

https://github.com/veiset/poe-vendor-string/blob/a1200c7d04e575ecace9b611fea6813b3d34f614/src/utils/Languages.ts#L53

Need translations for map tokens. They dont need to be shortened like in english, i just need the text so i can shorten it

[reef pewter]

that's a very diverse language pool

[livid quarry]

5k alc orbs

[short prairie]

i literally just chaos spam

until 20 ruthless

and then craft suffix slam until filled if no other influence mods

then reforge influence if necessary

[livid quarry]

as chris wilson intended

[small steeple]

blessed by rng

[bleak quiver]

now mist it

[short prairie]

missed it

LMFAO

on the caplance vid