1┃general

[cosmic eagle]

if i wanna play a build that actually places banner every damn time id go for steelmages bannerman ngl

[halcyon prawn]

ik thats the mod, im saying what does it inflict

[loud geyser]

rofl just from tree

[halcyon prawn]

ah, gotcha

[loud geyser]

max res i mean^

[lucid kiln]

Its not complicated. You use 2-3 buttons

[craggy fiber]

tickle you!

[cobalt blade]

have personally never noticed it on maps

[halcyon prawn]

🧐

[final owl]

2-3 buttons is a lot more than 1 buttons.

[cosmic eagle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lju6qMYXO0

this is way more fun than spinning and placing banners

[final owl]

i have a bananaman i am leveling. still not sure what version i'll go with

[cosmic eagle]

you know it's good coz he played it in hc

so the potential is high in sc

[cobalt blade]

potential is low in SC

because your playing a clunky ass build

[final owl]

seems like it can be a decent league starter though yeah

[woeful yacht]

I think there's like a second delay before it inflicts cb

[cosmic eagle]

nah this is surprisingly a chill bannerman than the spinning one

[final owl]

i am only trying it for the sake of having tried another build. bannerman has good movespeed right

[woeful yacht]

so it becomes like. An afk build

[cosmic eagle]

yep that motherfker runs so fast

[cobalt blade]

still inherently clunky from needing to banner constantly

[final owl]

right. I'm down for some nyooom

[cobalt blade]

and fucking up a banner killing most of your defence

[cosmic eagle]

not to mention it's a 1 button

[woeful yacht]

You don't need to pick up banners. it's pretty intuitive if you just keep running

[final owl]

I am solidly in the "looking for mild novelty" stage of the league i don't feel a strong need to build another map blaster or whatever when i have completed all challenges already

[cobalt blade]

hael you need to press banners to damage shit and keep your banners up the linger is only 3 seconds lmao

[cosmic eagle]

banner is actually automated

[halcyon prawn]

the stopping is rough

[final owl]

are you running the steelmage version?

[cosmic eagle]

you just run and clear

[cosmic eagle]

yeah the only bannerman that is fun ofc i played that in hc

[woeful yacht]

You just press a button everytime u travel two screens. I think the second delay kill it tho

[cobalt blade]

and now you didnt kill anything within a whole area

since it only cb's in banner rage

[cobalt blade]

automating it is a funky choice tho once you have enough damage

[woeful yacht]

hmm

[cosmic eagle]

it's just a fun project build since the axe is not rare to drop from the tree

[woeful yacht]

so basically if banner had 200 aoe instead of like 130 it'd own

[cosmic eagle]

tho you still have to pray you dont hit the 2 other fb version of the axe, the crit and bleed

[cobalt blade]

shit also deactiavtes 1.5 screens from you and i think that would apply to the banner being able to cb

but not 100% sure

[full kraken]

how huge can you make the banner tho

its an aura, and we could abuse massive shrine stuff

like can we make the banner so huge that it is screenwide

banners already have pretty fat base radius dont they

[cobalt blade]

screen wide's doable yea

[cosmic eagle]

https://pobb.in/tJsSi-870cSX

he is using massive

[cobalt blade]

they inherently have more area of effect per valour

[full kraken]

top end prolly is even bigger than screenwide

[woeful yacht]

I think these people should be using seismic cry in their autoexerts

[cobalt blade]

hael that does literally nothing

[woeful yacht]

the interrupt spam

[cobalt blade]

beyond use more mana

[cobalt blade]

your not standing close to mobs

generally

[full kraken]

me, who has 3 unused sockets for his build that currently just has a CoD - portal 2L
Im listening

[cobalt blade]

and if you are they arent rly dealing dmg

this statline is stupid with banner aura effect

[woeful yacht]

it's just on these warcry builds, seismic has a line that says interrupts mobs

[vernal ravine]

too lazy to bless the 20d ring to 7% life before volatile vaaling

[woeful yacht]

I kinda think in SC they press the banner that says movement speed

[cobalt blade]

you do both

[woeful yacht]

tho they could al

ye

[cosmic eagle]

200+ suppress and block cap, 200+ MS

[cobalt blade]

those together you just dont really take damage

yep

[cosmic eagle]

that banner is crazy

[bleak quiver]

at the cost of being clunky as shit

[cobalt blade]

ye

[split maple]

tincture balancing approach

[cobalt blade]

personally dont like the build entirely because of that clunk

[cosmic eagle]

full duration is 25 seconds too so you can actually clear the whole map during that duration

[woeful yacht]

stuff despawns

[full kraken]

is there a warcry that general's cry minions would use ASAP, as soon as they summon, and is as close to instant as possible

[bleak quiver]

i dont think you understand how they work lmao

[full kraken]

maybe I should just automate phase run

[cobalt blade]

none

[full kraken]

oh wait actually, since I have frenzy charge on hit now, I prolly can have 100% uptime on phase run!

[cobalt blade]

warcries arent triggerable by gencry

[final owl]

gotta be an attack doesn't it

[cobalt blade]

Yer

[bleak quiver]

yes

[cobalt blade]

They also dont use your skills

Just whatevers linked to it inheritng your stats

since proxy

[full kraken]

yeah I can 3L Phase Run - Automation - Enhance now

thats actually dope

[cobalt blade]

no withering step 🥀

[full kraken]

is withering step better than phase run with 4 frenzy charges?

[woeful yacht]

withering step legit feels like a scam unless u press 0 buttons

[cobalt blade]

You run both

[full kraken]

I know we have the new runegraft for it

[cobalt blade]

automation lets you have both up

lol

[full kraken]

I only have a 3L

[cobalt blade]

smh

phase runs better then unless chaos build

[full kraken]

is that still better than just phase run with enhance? I guess withering step is better than 6% movespeed right

[cobalt blade]

phasing op

[full kraken]

or do I need some other support gem to have 100% uptime

[woeful yacht]

when I was heisting,,,it was basically never up because it can't regen on cd and so then it was only sometimes up for 2 seconds

[full kraken]

I thought withering step and phase run share the same cooldown tho

do they not

[bleak quiver]

no

they have nothing in common

[cobalt blade]

your a heister wtf are you pressing skills for

you just run

[woeful yacht]

my banner

[cobalt blade]

which you press once at start and once per door

with the 3-4 second run periods

(4 with warp)

iirc works atleast

[cobalt blade]

They do normally

Automation doesnt care and gives you both

[full kraken]

dawg what the fuck thats so good

[cobalt blade]

yep

[bleak quiver]

the runegraft also works with step right?

[cobalt blade]

I think it does

Warp opop

[tawdry olive]

Gotta love how general’s cry is actually this pretty in depth skill meanwhile my only contact with it is “low cooldown autoexert Earthshatter go brrrrrr”

[bleak quiver]

not that, the elusive one

[cobalt blade]

Oh elusive yeah

[full kraken]

does the omen work with tainted chromes? the white socket one

[cobalt blade]

p sure it states any source

[cobalt blade]

no

[bleak quiver]

no, it specify chromatic

[full kraken]

like is there any way at all to get white sockets on my corrupt weapon

[woeful yacht]

the stars kinda had to align for it to be valuable

[cobalt blade]

no

[full kraken]

💀

I don wanna give up muh cast speed

[cobalt blade]

Will say time pressing it is time wasted not running if you dont have downtime at a door

which is why you mostly just press it at the start

why do you need white

[full kraken]

unless.... 🤔

maybe 5% area of effect is better

[woeful yacht]

I had an audio cue that played every 4 seconds but I think it generally meant the boost got me to the next door

[full kraken]

I swap the gems out for a suicide 2L of Blue Blue when I wanna heist or do sirus

[cobalt blade]

weapon swap

literally just weapon swap forbidden rite

[full kraken]

shitters full

[cobalt blade]

well dont lvl 2 gems i guess

[full kraken]

you tellin me to give up all those free divins!!!!

[cobalt blade]

lol

[full kraken]

also weapon swapping means I have to re-enable tempest shield

[woeful yacht]

gotta get the second account in

[full kraken]

which is annoying

[plucky rivet]

which is better

[cobalt blade]

i mean drop bow if your not lvling 2 gems and have a shield setup

-3 gems now but means you dont need to toggle

[full kraken]

I might swap my weapon to instead a 28% quality one I chance orb up and make it crusader

[cobalt blade]

and the time saved is relevant

[bleak quiver]

the other is literally better in every single way?...

[cobalt blade]

very clearly the volatiled right side

[full kraken]

now Im -5 leveling gems

[final owl]

yeah that doesn't seem like a confusing choice. the one with the bigger numbers is better?

[bleak quiver]

literally just bigger numbers

[plucky rivet]

lmaoo

[full kraken]

actually I guess for the 2 use cases, I dont care about levelling my gems anyways 🤔

[cobalt blade]

fuck lvling gems at all but fair point

[full kraken]

oh damnit these gems were imbued

[final owl]

i gave up on leveling gems in my secondary set a while back too. the lazy do be winning

[bleak quiver]

lvling gems now its way easier since you can just buy them on lilly, and reload when they are 20

[cobalt blade]

anytime spent clicking them is lowering your div/hr doing other shit even with the lvl all button

it is still more profitable but its also annoying as shit

[final owl]

yeah it's just a bit faff heavy. i cbf outside of league start when i am hoping to hit a corrupt on a gem i am actually using or whatever

[fallen stone]

how does this work exactly (new gamer here)

[cobalt blade]

I stopped doing it even at league start lmao

[bleak quiver]

i just alt tab back and click lvl all after selecting the ulti wave

[cobalt blade]

just end up buying my 21/20 gems or this league imbued

[plucky rivet]

when i control V In pobb .. why is everything is red if its better

[cobalt blade]

Or lvl 20 to gamba imbued

[split maple]

connect it to some bow attack - like frenzy, lightning arrow, galvanic arrow, burning arrow. then when you spend enough mana attacking with skill you use usually, also this one will shoot

[cobalt blade]

"weapon 2"

Scroll left

And compare to your weapon not rathpith

[final owl]

i leaguestarted reap / exsang mines and the price of 21/20 reap (or was it exsang i forget) was stupid

[cobalt blade]

/maybe scroll down too

[fallen stone]

uh huh

[woeful yacht]

It works, no?

[fallen stone]

i see the arrow hmmmmm

[cobalt blade]

Those are both skill gems so they cant be linked together if thats what your confused about

[bleak quiver]

wtf, awakened empower is going DOWN in price? first time ive seen these lose value...

[bleak quiver]

he was asking about manaforged, previous screenshot

[cobalt blade]

Ah i see acts so i just assumed not anything like that

makes sense tho

[woeful yacht]

you ever played pohx pl?

[cobalt blade]

no

economys too dead for me to enjoy it over playing ssf

[woeful yacht]

wtf do I do

[cobalt blade]

and would rather play actual trade even when its in a lower player state

[split maple]

pohx pl just feels like half assed trade

like too big for gsf, too small for trade

[cobalt blade]

yeah

[woeful yacht]

I want to try cws

[cobalt blade]

gsfs are fun with like 8-15 people

[fallen stone]

if i use manaforge on caustic arrow and frenzy, do i have to match themana cost by 3x the mana of caustic and frenzy?

[cobalt blade]

maybe a bit more

[frigid wedge]

pohx private league conceptually feels like it exists exclusively as a trade league start test

[woeful yacht]

No it's separate

[cobalt blade]

Yer thats a reasonable usecase for it

[fallen stone]

i get it, so i have to hit 21 mana for caustic to trigger and frenzy to trigger

[dense rock]

whoever told me to try legion

fuck you

this is too much work

[magic oracle]

so im trying to transition to hiero spark nova build

[split maple]

fix your item filter man

[bleak quiver]

get a better filter

[split maple]

hide splinters, only show emblems

[magic oracle]

got widowhail and all, but why cant i cast spark of nova?

[bleak quiver]

also, it will still be garbage, so dont worry

[magic oracle]

is it not self castable? i dont have it linked wiht any support gems atm

[frigid wedge]

what supports are on it

[split maple]

show pob sweet

[onyx adder]

What is that filter lul

[magic oracle]

kk sec

[halcyon flicker]

can harvest craft white socket pick a socket thats already white?

[frigid wedge]

did you buy a cheap one that had an imbue on it

[onyx adder]

Week 5 of league man still has rare agate amulet on filter

[bleak quiver]

yes

[halcyon flicker]

rip

[magic oracle]

dont tell me its the cast when stun support imbue

-_-

im fkin blind

[cobalt blade]

It is

[magic oracle]

FFS

[dense rock]

the one i used for ore farming where i didnt even loot anything 😄

[onyx adder]

Mind u i also have rare agate amulet on filter but i have an excuse

That being im lazy and 0iq

[cobalt blade]

item raritys usually a cheap one that has no mana mult

and doesnt break anything

[bleak quiver]

i hope so, cuz you have chroms in your filter

[cobalt blade]

Unless people caught on now for budget setups

[frigid wedge]

yep

any imbue that says "cast on" is a brick for u

[cobalt blade]

also lifetap

[frigid wedge]

that too

[bleak quiver]

and less duration

[cobalt blade]

ye

[bleak quiver]

and swift affliction

and some other shit

[magic oracle]

well all the ones have friggin imbues

[split maple]

i hope cws imbue wasnt too pricy

[magic oracle]

gdit

[frigid wedge]

filter with corrupted set to no

[fallen stone]

this support gem is kinda funny, i can spam like 10 burning arrow traps with this and anyone standing on this either dies or almost dies

[full kraken]

hm... I dunno if adding in phase run and wither step helped much, since I can just instant lightning warp everywhere

[cobalt blade]

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Mirage/D6jzE3LVS5

if you want cheap that doesnt brick

no mana mult so works fine on low budget archmage too

[split maple]

criminal how iir is priced as fail and not rly desirable

[cobalt blade]

if you have currency buy an actual support ofc

[cobalt blade]

It is worse than linking lvl 20 tbf

by quite a bit

[magic oracle]

ah

you guys are the best

[split maple]

yea and like idk how to even force iir on archmage 😛

[haughty dirge]

We know

[cobalt blade]

influ chest

and then just getting it on your helicals i guess

[slate compass]

its pretty strong early on 🙂

[cobalt blade]

Its reasonably doable honestly

[frigid wedge]

gold flask, random rarity affixes

also i found out i might be able to get an extra 10 rage regen and some rarity!

for the cost of 1 flask slot

and 1 point

[split maple]

oh idk why i thought this build is gonna be more unique heavy ||okay i will pretend i didnt only look at permalavianga setup||

[cobalt blade]

its unique heavy for spark

[haughty dirge]

Gold flask with rarity craft and 95% inc effect on mage blood

[split maple]

highend goes helicals instead of manifolds?

[haughty dirge]

We rarity finding now!!!

[cobalt blade]

accel belt gull widowhail

[cobalt blade]

more you struggle with resist

[full kraken]

Im up to 7 lightning warps per second lol

4 frenzy charges pushed me above next threshould

[cobalt blade]

And rly late game int stacking is your best source of mana

manifolds do have a place tho within the mid range

[loud geyser]

any1 got lucky with cache of currency in mirage?

[split maple]

so smh like %mana, int, cast speed, crit multi, all ele res?

[cobalt blade]

yer or normal res craft 2 helicals

[frigid wedge]

nah I'm grabbing the runegraft for 3 rage when u life flask, and then using perma divi distillate

[cobalt blade]

or chaos res

[split maple]

that sounds kinda giga ass to make

[frigid wedge]

i think i can use 2 mana flasks at once if i have mana flasks dont queue right?

[cobalt blade]

you can go flat mana too tbf to make it many times easier

[bleak quiver]

golden chests and currency cache's pretty regularly give divines

[cobalt blade]

Will only apply the effect of the biggest one iirc

[frigid wedge]

what

is that what do not queue fuckin means

[vernal ravine]

searching for increased effect flasks and getting reduced effect flasks is so path of exile

[frigid wedge]

bleh

[cobalt blade]

Yeh

[frigid wedge]

min 0

[cobalt blade]

it just means it doesnt turn off at full mana

[vernal ravine]

ya i know, just dumb

[cobalt blade]

In general you can just only have 1 flask recovering x life/mana over time

[frigid wedge]

sad

i wanted to prevent inherent rage decay

and get sum rarity

[cobalt blade]

my personal favourite of that

One of the only ones thats reversed for some god forsaken reason

[bleak quiver]

normaly its cuz they always default to the one that came first

but tbh, i have no idea what had this stat before

[frigid wedge]

veil of the night

[cobalt blade]

Nothing

[frigid wedge]

iirc

[bleak quiver]

veil is 2 mods no?

[cobalt blade]

nope veil is a diff stat

[bleak quiver]

veil is just 0 yeah

[frigid wedge]

nvm replica veil has increased res tho

[woeful yacht]

@cobalt blade so how do ppl do day1 megablood

[frigid wedge]

was it annihilating light?

[bleak quiver]

maybe it was some map mod

[cobalt blade]

Yer but doesnt have chaos so different stat still :p

[frigid wedge]

.

[cobalt blade]

annihilating light is also only ele

[split palm]

Hi sans
Hi naca

[cobalt blade]

hiii

[unkempt current]

hellu how do u rival itf with everyone? you have itf float around and make trusted connections and reshuffle the entire position?

[cobalt blade]

by dropping it

[bleak quiver]

maybe from lake or some shit

[frigid wedge]

hi shika

[cobalt blade]

otherwise they just play for 24 hours and buy the first ones that appear for 90-120d

[split palm]

Drop it, seer, card gamba, valdo, voidborn

[bleak quiver]

oh yeah

[cobalt blade]

I dont think theres a generic elemental and chaos res stat though to be reflected

[bleak quiver]

its probably a valdo mod or something similar from an area

[woeful yacht]

How do they kno what to play tho

[cobalt blade]

??

you just pick the league starter that you can scale quickly in sc trade

Manaman being top tier

get to ubers within the first few hours

do voidstone carries etc

[frigid wedge]

u figure out smth that always works well to start, play 23 hours a day for the first 3 days and run smth like legion or boss carries

[cobalt blade]

its not a valdo map afaik unless its one that was never implemented

[split palm]

Being experienced, duh

[short prairie]

looks kind of juicy ngl

[cobalt blade]

like to the best of my knowledge there just isnt a single item in the game with that stat other than foulborn chest

[split palm]

Day 1 is like

A shit ton of money can be made just playing

[steel light]

do one more currency delirum, i dare you

[split palm]

6L, alters, etc. Are all worth something

[split maple]

found one in standard

[short prairie]

nah.

[bleak quiver]

really bizarre, maybe they just chose it to be negative for future proofing or something...

[cobalt blade]

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/eRKylpEncL i mean i dont see any in standard unless u were just joking cos rate limit lol

[split maple]

yea its weirding me out too

[native token]

is it worth to keep playing if my divine per hour drops below 20 ?

[cobalt blade]

its been bothering me since i noticed it

[woeful yacht]

What?

[bleak quiver]

no, delete the character

its cursed

[native token]

just unfun if the divine/h is not as high as it used to

[cobalt blade]

maybe but basically every other stat does it the other way

increased shown on trade site negative numbers for reduced

[fallen stone]

am i cooking or am i stupid

[cobalt blade]

Its just cursed

its fine act pathing

#1┃new-player-in-campaign-help probably more helpful though

[frigid wedge]

its ok early, the awful bit is that toxic rain is on your walk bind

[short prairie]

money printer

[woeful yacht]

It's close to a tree that some people have clicked semi ironically

[frigid wedge]

please move it

[split maple]

64 uniques left 😉

[frigid wedge]

me without all challenges

[cobalt blade]

Tbf they could be someone who binds always move to w

[native token]

diablo 4 soon

[short prairie]

im right behind casie

[frigid wedge]

ig so

[native token]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-6815166390687140758

[fallen stone]

where should i invest next

[short prairie]

200 blocks away

[split maple]

you are prolly the only person who is capable of doing full completion inside league

[frigid wedge]

which skill are u trying to use for main damage rn

[native token]

im casual

boomering around

[fallen stone]

toxic rain

[frigid wedge]

damage over time and chao damage over time

and some max life

[split maple]

admit it you just dont want to do the lab section

[woeful yacht]

Multishot also adds a proj u kno

[cobalt blade]

ama dissapear into eep tho o/

[cobalt blade]

time to hope for the valdos lab jewel map opens

[native token]

i wasnt joking d4 in 8 days

[rough field]

Dot skills I sleep

[cobalt blade]

and xirgils i guess idk the others

[native token]

and 2-3 days of poo2 afterwards

[split maple]

gspectrums are farmable if merc lab ever gets good puzzle in room1 again

didnt yet this league

[native token]

you want gauntlet

not puzzle

[frigid wedge]

hit skills scaling dot, real shit

[split maple]

(makes me think they reworked lab generation, coz good uber labs are rly rly common)

[split maple]

eh i kinda like floor puzzle

makes it quick

[native token]

800% ms heist runner

for gauntlet

[cobalt blade]

next league start we get the 9 room golden key 3 days in arow

[fallen stone]

what path is it because looking at the skill "funeral wreath" gives me headache

[frigid wedge]

toxic rain is a perfectly acceptable leaguestart that can b pretty tanky

[woeful yacht]

There's a search bar

[native token]

shit build

[woeful yacht]

U may as well search "damage"

[split maple]

what did you legstart anyways casie

[frigid wedge]

https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/toxic-rain-pathfinder-build-guide

[woeful yacht]

shield ur eyes

[native token]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[woeful yacht]

keep clicking random nodes

[frigid wedge]

on start everything is a shit build and toxic rain scales rlly well on the low end

its not that bad

[native token]

but expensive to get the scaling in ssf

[craggy fiber]

you can hit dot capped with totem toxic rain fairly easy too

[native token]

and slam excist

[frigid wedge]

u make gem levels bow instead of using widowhail

[craggy fiber]

well dont care about ssf

[rough field]

+3 bow isn't dat bad to craft

Widowhail is after you get double dot quiver anyway

[craggy fiber]

5div craft

[native token]

i only care about ssf

[dense rock]

jesuschrist... 1 map resulted in these....

[frigid wedge]

u need what, 2 metamods and 3 exalts for the tr levels bow ?

[dim turtle]

[dense rock]

I thought it would take multiple maps to make a single emblem :D:D I WAS SO FUCKING WRONG

[craggy fiber]

thats why they are cheap

[rough field]

Essence is guaranteed +2, need a 2nd prefix and +1 is also guaranteed with cannot roll attack

[split maple]

Widowhail is rly easy to ssf though

Ancient orbs have rly good odds for it

[tranquil sedge]

tr bow is a deterministic craft iirc ye

[frigid wedge]

hunter dot quiver is the primary problem

[rough field]

Wat is a good 2nd prefix for tr hmmge

[split maple]

Yeah that rly doesn't sound fun to farm on that build

[rough field]

Flat dmg is irrelevant, can't use wed

[tranquil sedge]

if you looked at emblem prices that would have told you that's not the case 😄

[craggy fiber]

hunter ealt damage over time i think'

[frigid wedge]

bow gems, socketed gems

random bench

[tranquil sedge]

just look up toxic rain bows

they're all the same

[rough field]

Is there a chaos dmg veiled prefix?

[woeful yacht]

Is the gear from mappers also smart rolled?

[dense rock]

Have to redo my entire lootfilter... Never played atlas that dropped such insane amounts of shit

[tranquil sedge]

sans has told u what prefixes to go for

bow gems, socketed bow gems, chaos dot

[cobalt blade]

chaos dot is also guaranteed with cannot roll atk btw

[split maple]

Show only emblems, currency incubators, mirage incubators and generic tinks

[frigid wedge]

https://maxroll.gg/poe/crafting/toxic-rain-pathfinder-endgame-bow

[onyx adder]

TR isnt that bad a league starter in ssf but u wouldnt ever play it if u wanted to be genuinely efficient

[cobalt blade]

Its so stupidly deterministic

[tranquil sedge]

correct its literally a deterministic bow

just one more reason tr is an easy build

[native token]

you only need 1 mirage incubator xd

[craggy fiber]

still better damage than dumb rf

[tranquil sedge]

its 'endgame' weapon before widowhail is easy to make

[rough field]

It oka I will never go back to dot anyway 🙏

[split maple]

I am not using frogs on something that is reasonable to farm with blasting

[tranquil sedge]

rf still has better mapping experience

from the clear of explodes

[woeful yacht]

doesn't know the sauce..

[onyx adder]

For sure but RF is never recommended if u want to be efficient

[cobalt blade]

rf does more damage with gear than tr

[onyx adder]

Unless ur efficiency measure is damage per brain cell used

[cobalt blade]

higher potential scaling

[tranquil sedge]

now now

[cobalt blade]

Tr gets more early though

[craggy fiber]

talking league start

[tranquil sedge]

huh

what

no?

[cobalt blade]

Yer

[frigid wedge]

tr is very efficient, just not for ur voidstones etc, its an excellent build to make to farm heist, beasts, and lab if u need specific uniques

[native token]

rf is actually nice

[cobalt blade]

yes

[craggy fiber]

also the cost of gear for rf is stupid on league start

[tranquil sedge]

tr can go higher than rf wdym

[onyx adder]

U alrdy said that

[rocky glade]

How does Dual Strike interact with Impale? if i hit with 2 weapons, and one weapon has 100% chance to impale and the other doesn't, would it still count as 100% chance when hit?

[tranquil sedge]

at least till mid+ gear right?

[cobalt blade]

you get scaling from life and es and can reach uber dot cap

[onyx adder]

Someone mentioned it as a starter

[craggy fiber]

cause people are dumb enough to follow pohx each l;eague

[rough field]

KF too strong of a leaguestart dis league I 100% expect a nerf

[onyx adder]

I was responding to that

[native token]

but voidstone is the most important objective day 1 xdd

[rough field]

1 sec boss kills per act is illegal

[frigid wedge]

ye, u can start it, and use ballistas for ur stones and then pivot it to movement speed after

[tranquil sedge]

its also superb for expedition

it can ignore every single remnant mod except immune to chaos

[cobalt blade]

id say till about a mirror in gear tr's better

[craggy fiber]

like m+2 fire and dot multi is 100div on league star and the damage increase is mnimal

[tranquil sedge]

(as long as u have the dps to outdo regen remnants)

[cobalt blade]

After some thought

[onyx adder]

U can, its just not efficient

[craggy fiber]

really not worth it

[tranquil sedge]

yea thats fair

rf ceiling is higher

with enough money

[cobalt blade]

Ye

[onyx adder]

Like yes its better than recommending ppl rf or some garbage

[craggy fiber]

agree

[cobalt blade]

"higher potential scaling"= ceiling

[tranquil sedge]

true its just how many ppl ever reach that on these builds

[cobalt blade]

true

[onyx adder]

But its never gonna outperform a proper ssf starter for getting early mats ofc

[craggy fiber]

cyclone is more cost effective than rf

[dense rock]

Aint RF basically same as SRS in the league start department? Insanely easy and cheap to get going but if you want to scale it to to true end game heights, its gonna take like 2-4 builds worth of currency

[craggy fiber]

for league start

[cobalt blade]

nah

[craggy fiber]

higher scaling in endgame

[cobalt blade]

Srs scales stupid fast

You just wear covenant

[native token]

nothing beats slams sadly

[cobalt blade]

for trade*

[frigid wedge]

rf is only recommended to newbies bc its one the most well documented builds in the game

[cobalt blade]

for ssf you go guardian relics

[tranquil sedge]

srs scales faster for sure

and higher

[frigid wedge]

its kinds shit

[split maple]

kf totems looked pretty good this league, no?

[craggy fiber]

rf as main skill you stuck at 10mill dps until mirror gear

[cobalt blade]

and both just kinda blast alot faster

[tranquil sedge]

RF is just comfortable and chill as fuck

[native token]

doenst sound that good for ssf xd

[tranquil sedge]

but its scaling becomes slow real fast

its just an easy recommendation coz of pohx

[craggy fiber]

i keep saying this each league. rf is noob trap

[tranquil sedge]

man singlehandedly carries the build

[cobalt blade]

Its fiiine but ye you have alot better choices

[split maple]

i am not comfortable recommending rf in league without harbs

[tranquil sedge]

l0l

[cobalt blade]

i am because cloister exists

[frigid wedge]

rf isnt particularly good at all, its just simple bc of chieftain and well documented bc of pohx

[tranquil sedge]

its like if you recommended it at the very least nobody is getting stuck

aint no way ur failing rf

[cobalt blade]

Which rf is still one of the better builds to farm that on

[tranquil sedge]

and if u are its at most an easy fix

[split maple]

also league without toxic sewers

[tranquil sedge]

nah

doesnt matter

decks are like 15d/hr without even ritual atm
(up from 10d/hr earlier)

[cobalt blade]

Just make your aoe the size of JV

[tranquil sedge]

and u can run them on city square or silo if u care about that shit

[cobalt blade]

width wise

[frigid wedge]

multi mirror time

[split maple]

yeah but rf is giga chill in corridors

[frigid wedge]

:D

[split maple]

its just narrow enough for full rf coverage without aoe invest

[tranquil sedge]

silo

[onyx adder]

RF's best use is in efficiently getting newbies out of #1┃general

[cobalt blade]

you can do that sub mirror i think ?

but fair

[fallen stone]

damn looking at guides give me headache

[cobalt blade]

like you dont need dmg for cloister so u can run weird aoe sources aoe clusters w/e

[native token]

ssf leaguestarter needs to be brain off mode for the 1400 betrayl maps you have to do week 1

[onyx adder]

Ya

[split maple]

sad but true

[onyx adder]

Except for normal human beings that takes like a month

I get so fuckin sick of right side trees by end of week 2

Lmao

[frigid wedge]

ssf just turns into play the generic easy scaler for a week before build online

[cobalt blade]

i keep wanting to do an ssf league start again but the thought of farming alts from expe for recombs tree for fractures and kingsmarch for runegrafts puts me off

[tranquil sedge]

thats why you play gsf

[split maple]

this league at least alts aint rly an issue

[tranquil sedge]

and then make esm run the maps

[split maple]

srev i dont run the maps

i just enter them

[tranquil sedge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woeful yacht]

good news it's even less varied than that

[tranquil sedge]

now that i know pl isn't hardcap at 2 months

next time im prob joining u

[cobalt blade]

if i do a gsf again itll prolly be if my guild does one which we haven't done for a few leagues

[native token]

well alts arnt as important, your build just needs to be good enough to do 4 voidstone on 3 mod gear, betrayl and strongboxes

thats basicly the requierment atm

[frigid wedge]

im just slowww

[cobalt blade]

my enjoyment comes from minmaxing to the best of my ability

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spongebob-wab

[split maple]

i am pretty sure casie hit 90% unique completion this league before i hit 4voids

[frigid wedge]

nu

[tranquil sedge]

-#

[cobalt blade]

so i do need to interact with recombs at some point for that and farm a billion alts for 4-5 mod items with craft

[native token]

ssf min maxing is not as far off from trade league

[tranquil sedge]

pawn it off to others in your gsf

and run something in return

thats the key to success

[cobalt blade]

^

[tranquil sedge]

exactly

pawn it all off on them

[split maple]

its like 3months off

[craggy fiber]

which is not true. you will never get +2 annoint badge of brotherhood with gg annoint in ssf

you can do everything in ssf to 99.5%

[shell lagoon]

Hey guys, I just wanted to let everyone know that I am coming out as a homosexual man. This took a lot of bravery on my part and I would like to be commended for it. Thank you all 💅 🏳️‍🌈

[craggy fiber]

but the last 0.5% you will never get it

[cobalt blade]

yer we havent done one since crucible since most got bored fast and it ended up being just me and 2 other people farming most of everyone's smaller things lol

[onyx adder]

I have a quad tab of profane wands that i need to alt

I just cant face doing it

[stable pumice]

Do it

[onyx adder]

I literally rerolled hc rather than click another alteration orb

[rough field]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174013175692283948/1480976677478858852/mirageLeague.gif

[native token]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-steal-stealing-yoink-seeya-gif-10550534

[onyx adder]

At least in hc i'll die before it matters

[split maple]

i got fucked by phys wand recomb 5 times and multimoded

[native token]

mine now

[rough field]

😿

[cobalt blade]

Honestly based

[frigid wedge]

maybe ill try gsf but i like being able to help out friends and ppl in vc

[craggy fiber]

gsf gear wont transfer to trade right?

[frigid wedge]

its the entire reason i played phrecia 1

[native token]

it does if you betray your friends

[tacit crow]

HELLO

[frigid wedge]

hi kafka

[native token]

@split maple my delve arc

started

[mental nymph]

Hi chat

[frigid wedge]

hi

[split maple]

how does bv feel at delve? or you using smh else

[native token]

bv feels good for everything

[tranquil sedge]

hello vulture man

[tacit crow]

yea...

really...

[frigid wedge]

hmm

jewels or rares

[split maple]

single handedly making beast farming profitable the real mvp

[tranquil sedge]

🫂

[frigid wedge]

i might buy a set of synth jewels

[tranquil sedge]

do it

[frigid wedge]

ye but im not sure i can be bothered to roll the magic ones and using imprints is definitely a waste

[tacit crow]

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

[frigid wedge]

:3

[tacit crow]

there is 1 of mine i need on trade

both t2 rolls

cannot settle

gee,,, i wish i could BUY mine

[tranquil sedge]

wat about jewels with one rolled mod

[cobalt blade]

not triple synth 🥀

[tacit crow]

3rd mod will be vaal

[frigid wedge]

kafka all im sayin is u didnt need double synths

[cobalt blade]

but you could get 4

[tranquil sedge]

if you synth your own jewels you can get 4 implicits

[tacit crow]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-dance-dancer-girl-anime-girl-gif-26428864

[frigid wedge]

the bis single synth for this mans build is 3 chaos

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[tacit crow]

3 is as far as im willing to punish myself

[tranquil sedge]

l0l

[craggy fiber]

yelllow beat is 25/1div

on trade

[tacit crow]

they dont scare me

is the big yellow birds

thats do

[tranquil sedge]

beastfarming div/hr trend is the same every league

starts at low div/hr then steadily goes up

[craggy fiber]

yea

[cobalt blade]

medium div an hour nowadays

since people morrigan link early

[split maple]

then folks start making adorned jewels

[cobalt blade]

then it shoots to the stratosphere once vultures become valuable

[tacit crow]

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

the boogyman of poe ninja

[cobalt blade]

low key been considering if i can fit in a 1p to enable going adorned lol

i technically have enough jewel sockets its worth it if i do that but feels cursed

[fallen stone]

i just realize volley/multiproj support gems are useless on toxic rain

😭

[tranquil sedge]

?

mechanically it still works, its just that there's better supports that most ppl tend to run

[karmic gust]

well most supports are better than 26% less damage support that does nothing useful :d

[tranquil sedge]

ye but useless makes it sound like it does nothing at all, mechanically it still works, ppl still run those gems if they run dual tr + tr of withering setups, gmp on the tr of wither is nice

i coulda worded my original reply better tho sure ill edit it

[steel light]

first run

[gritty garnet]

sac for a mirror

[frigid wedge]

wait so

with mana flask dont queue

can i just keep many active

i wanna use wellwater

xD

[steel light]

lab run always exit to town/shore instead of plaza?

[frigid wedge]

unfortunately

[haughty dirge]

How to get green name

[split maple]

Be online 24/7

Oh and don't be too much of an ass

I think that's it

[dense rock]

not being an ass is optional

[frigid wedge]

wait khatals weeping is 140 dot multi wtaf

thats insane

[split maple]

Perma wellwater sounds kinda interesting huh

[frigid wedge]

econc time?

xD

[frigid wedge]

yeah i wanna use that and lavis

just not sure if a. i can sustain that amount of charges and b. if i can actually benefit

its just a more streamlined version of perma vaal discipline

[fallen stone]

is this good?

[frigid wedge]

also unsure if i have yk

the affixes to tri stack pools

mana+ life+es

well ig es can be a biproduct of mana

and life isnt rlly stacking

thats doable

[ruby geyser]

Round about, how much is a lightning arrow deadeye going to run this late in league? Any ideas?

[frigid wedge]

that should give me way more pool

[frigid wedge]

in cost?

[loud geyser]

all of a sudden really wanna make a trickster

[atomic crane]

Play ignite arc trust

[loud geyser]

theyre in a healthy spot now yea?

not too op?

[ruby geyser]

Yeah!

[atomic crane]

[frigid wedge]

not really tbh, its eh, if u wanna play it theres no reason not to, its just not particularly good for anything rn

[loud geyser]

es leech overcap tho?

that and frenzy stacking are what im primarily interested in

rather

i want to 0/0 stack :p

[frigid wedge]

entirely depends how minmaxed u want, u can make a meh bow and use uniques + hh and get it going for like, 50d max

[loud geyser]

so not rlly stacking

[frigid wedge]

0/0?

[split maple]

Did they bugfix wellwater tho?

Last league it did remove % of mana recovered from Life instead of text

[loud geyser]

im gna force 0/0 charges and use aura buff benefits

[ruby geyser]

That is ridiculously cheaper than I expected. Looks like a good, strong new build to start

[frigid wedge]

i mean, u just build with some uniques and some super meh rares and then go for headhunter and hh kinda just, makes it workable

[ruby geyser]

Think it's worth it? I want a fun bow build and that's all in seeing currently

[frigid wedge]

its literally like, taming, fledgling, hyrris truth, hyrris ire, rare boots rare gloves rare bow and either the fork quiver or a rare

[frigid wedge]

all the bow builds are relatively fun

it depends what u want ur little quirk with the arrows to be

[loud geyser]

would this work with ghost reaver?

[frigid wedge]

no

its life

[loud geyser]

rip

[frigid wedge]

i will mention

if u just get slightly less evasion than ur max es and click ghost dance

u get es overleech

bc it never fills

[loud geyser]

🤔

[frigid wedge]

:P

[loud geyser]

im trying to comprehend this

[frigid wedge]

eg 40k es 39.5k evasion

cannot recover es above 39.5k but ur max is 40k

so u never fill es to remove leech instances before their full recovery/duration

[ruby geyser]

Thanks for being a help there! Any other bow recommendations to look at before starting this?

[frigid wedge]

just have a look around at some other bow skills
off the top of my head id take a look at:
scourge arrow of menace
tornado shot
ice shot of penetration

and maybe elemental hit of the spectrum

all of them are built relatively similar but have different quirks to them

[ruby geyser]

On it thanks 🙏

[steel light]

lab feels fast today, longest is the golden key 2nd room

[short prairie]

fuck

reforged 3 times

still t4 chaos

[steel light]

how many envy u have?

[split maple]

Senses I hit t9 life 5 times in a row on mine

[short prairie]

0

[split maple]

T4 chaos is decent

[short prairie]

rip

i alr spammed all my envy

before i go the reforge method

[karmic gust]

140 dot multi?

oh the shitty version

[frigid wedge]

get an enkindled big life flask with t1 charge mod for 140 total max charges, set to half for 70 removed, 2 multi per charge removed

[karmic gust]

yea, its mostly just not sustainable

and still worse than rare ammy for most stuff when you also add the effort to maintain that :d

[frigid wedge]

yeah

just think itd be fun to build around if ur using like, econc

where ur already investing hard into charge gain

u can drop 6 dot multi and use a hybrid flask

wait nvm

can it eat from mana flask?

says you cannot use mana flasks

it should still consume the charges i think

considering disabling util flask still lets pf eat charges

so u should be able to double ur charge gen

for no real changes

[wheat sinew]

if only it was useful

[tranquil sedge]

dam

[tranquil sedge]

in any other league would be a nice ssf/gsf find

[graceful nymph]

in crimson township, does the damnation card only drop from the boss or can any mob drop it?
and can it be scryed to other map?

[atomic crane]

Damnation is bait

[frigid wedge]

it can drop from any mob tho

it just probably wont

[graceful nymph]

yeah, I agree, just wanted to know if it's a boss only drop

thanks tho 🙂

[frigid wedge]

it ends up looking like its boss only bc ppl farming for it use pilfering scarab

[graceful nymph]

ah, I see

[frigid wedge]

which doubles all cards and empowers the boss, which then drops all the cards in ur map

[dense rock]

IT WAS NOT A WASTE OF TIME

for the first time in the league

[frigid wedge]

nice

[dense rock]

I was starting to believe that i can only get alchs or orbs of binding out of those silly little loot rooms

[cosmic raptor]

hmm

[frigid wedge]

hi doug

[cosmic raptor]

hi

[opal ingot]

no one is selling it for cheap lol

i drained the cheap market

[split maple]

boss only card drop isnt a thing anymore for them basic ass regular maps

[atomic crane]

The d4 doug

[split maple]

if card has boss drop tag it means now it only drops from natural mobs etc and not from decks/diviner boxes/etc

[cosmic raptor]

havent played in a long time

[opal ingot]

this is so beautiful

[split maple]

harvest swap lifeforce when

[cosmic raptor]

never

[royal rover]

lost 300 div in gamba this league

[frigid wedge]

maybe syndicate swap

like w card

[cosmic raptor]

thats it?

i lost about 8k

[royal rover]

ya, I play super casually tho

[cosmic raptor]

makes sense

[opal ingot]

i swear to fucking god man

dominances are weighted

why is it always 3 dominances

if i spend all 6 dominances on this imma lose my shit

[frigid wedge]

kek

what are u doing sage

[loud geyser]

im gna stop building block first..

[opal ingot]

nice

[frigid wedge]

profit crafting spark gloves?

[opal ingot]

4th dominance

[loud geyser]

its becoming more apparent that prioritising maxing my block is just death

[opal ingot]

pally gloves

[frigid wedge]

ah

again?

[opal ingot]

again and again and again

until it stops selling

im a man on a mission

[frigid wedge]

how much they made u

[zinc stump]

Show gloves

Quite curious now

[opal ingot]

google palsteron cyclone

same exact

[frigid wedge]

why do you have so many maloneys

[opal ingot]

for some reason they are good money

[frigid wedge]

are u vaaling for white sockets

[opal ingot]

blanching

its a good way to earn stacks of chaos orbs

without spending exchange for divine to chaos

while earning a bit of money

[frigid wedge]

interesting

hii zoey

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-npc-man-portal-away-gif-22428490

Halo

Everyone

[frigid wedge]

haiii

[zealous flax]

Hai

[opal ingot]

i think i got stuck

im a stupid beast now

[frigid wedge]

ouppy

[zealous flax]

I got out of that work event

[rancid comet]

having the ability to run this ; it

amazing

[zealous flax]

Yayy

[zealous flax]

What build

[frigid wedge]

what was the event

[dense rock]

that less armor and reduced block is kinda brutal 😄

[zealous flax]

Goodbye party

[rancid comet]

FRoSS occultist @zealous flax

[opal ingot]

wtf is happening

[frigid wedge]

did you use a legion astrolabe while breaching

[dim turtle]

time machine gg

[zealous flax]

Didn't wanna socialise

[rancid comet]

yes

[frigid wedge]

why

[opal ingot]

ugh 245c per rrigan now

[zealous flax]

Hh buffs?

[spice pecan]

tree finally gave me something not shit

[frigid wedge]

also i can prob run that map with no regen xD

[rancid comet]

to maximize effect and limit test

[zealous flax]

My wardlooper could do that

Afk

[rancid comet]

yup but m with an off-meta and m a casual player

[zealous flax]

I mean wardlooers are stupidly brolen

[spice pecan]

morrigans are less than a div?

[frigid wedge]

zoey was i meant to be making u a pob for kf for you

[opal ingot]

`yeah

[zealous flax]

No it's okey

[opal ingot]

but they were 220c

[zealous flax]

I'm finished with poe

It was just a cool idea

Thx tho

[spice pecan]

damn, crazy that they aren't multiple divs

[opal ingot]

the devil is tempting me to unravel it

[frigid wedge]

kk

[tranquil sedge]

devil if it fails, angel if it succeeds?

[opal ingot]

last time i unraveled a sole t2 with 70 strands it dind't unravel

[opal ingot]

it's always the results that matter.

if someone told me to gamba and i won

they were god's messengers

[zealous flax]

History is told by the winner

[opal ingot]

ill skip

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[opal ingot]

i dont want to do orb of conflict hell again

[tranquil sedge]

dominance*?

how are you even making these

woke orb the two mods for accuracy, reforge for life?

are these AG of smiting gloves?

[opal ingot]

correct, but instead of reforge life i block slam slam wbm scour

[loud geyser]

such peak

[opal ingot]

palsteron gloves

[tranquil sedge]

o

[zealous flax]

Aww thx

[loud geyser]

crows are funny

[opal ingot]

last time i simulated it out it was 22 divs on aveage to get t1 life

so its worth it

rather than risk a fill annul

and having to make another donor base for what

20-40 divs?

potentially more?

[frigid wedge]

zoey with her 60% average brain function still being smarter than the average rf player

[loud geyser]

woah now

whats that gotta do with rf

[frigid wedge]

the average rf player be kinda dumb

[loud geyser]

i must be extra special then

[zealous flax]

60% is very generous

[loud geyser]

since i can't comprehend how to do it well

[zealous flax]

Also corvids in general are cool

[frigid wedge]

kek

[split palm]

That's the point

[zealous flax]

Some corvids in aus start wildfires to flush out pray

[frigid wedge]

yeye

[loud geyser]

i will train one to farm me div

[zealous flax]

XD

Well they super loyal so could work

Maybe a poe2 summon

[frigid wedge]

train your partner to farm you div

[zealous flax]

Murder of crows

[frigid wedge]

👍

[zealous flax]

You gonna mention azu arnt you

[loud geyser]

[atomic crane]

I was crafting an explody chest yesterday then it suddenly disappeared after the first major step

[opal ingot]

account sharing!?

[atomic crane]

[opal ingot]

MODS

[frigid wedge]

no... azzy doesnt play poe

[loud geyser]

prefer to train myself to farm div

[frigid wedge]

guildmates

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/my-first-girlfriend-turned-into-the-moon-thats-rough-that-rough-buddy-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5710468

[signal marten]

is t here any good known working way to farm refracting fogs? anyone know?? i did 20 maps with deli+beyond in mirage and only got 1 (forcing boss spawns)

[frigid wedge]

or smth

[loud geyser]

since i can't do it yet

[low lava]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-all-those-chickens-gif-7197478

[zealous flax]

Get her to

[atomic crane]

Ya idk I looked everywhere the item just went poof

[zealous flax]

Lol

Check crafting benches

[atomic crane]

But then I got mad and decided to gamba just to make a mirror

[zealous flax]

Other char

[zealous flax]

Make 15 then we talk

[frigid wedge]

i dont want to make her do stuff

[loud geyser]

im currently using immortal flesh, legacy of fury, and formless flame

am i doing too many

[atomic crane]

Gone poof

[zealous flax]

Elden ring reference

[frigid wedge]

check menagerie bench

[atomic crane]

I'm a newbie

[atomic crane]

Not there either xd

[zealous flax]

Mf is playing friezied flame

[frigid wedge]

harvest bench?

[atomic crane]

Probably deleted it by mistake

I'm cooked in the brain

[zealous flax]

xD

[loud geyser]

i spent hours farming godskin set

[zealous flax]

Lmafo

Friezied flame is my fav ending

[opal ingot]

question

[frigid wedge]

response

[zealous flax]

Let chaos take the world

[atomic crane]

I was making a donor item

When I finished I was like where is the item

Alo

[opal ingot]

if you have +1 focusd ammy and because its a prefix it becomes +2, wouldn't a minroll mist make it +3 at minimum

[loud geyser]

adding to that

[opal ingot]

since it's +1 * 2 * 1.5

=3

[frigid wedge]

reasonable conclusive statement

[loud geyser]

honestly, based

[atomic crane]

Minion pact is cool actually makes ignite arc pog

[frigid wedge]

mist rolls actual item values, it wont change until it shows as 2 when holding alt

on that mod

[zealous flax]

Minion pact is so dumb

😭

100k flat for free

[frigid wedge]

real