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[split maple]

list at tft

buy gold rota

[grizzled lily]

hahahaha noooo

thats wrong

[tranquil sedge]

even if we assume u wont sell at 3d

[mental nymph]

Soooooo

[tranquil sedge]

and u sell at 2.5d instead

its still more money

[mental nymph]

Approximately how much divs an hour ?

[grizzled lily]

i do it the old fashion way

[mental nymph]

[frigid wedge]

send it

[grizzled lily]

depends prob 20divs per h on a white map setup running 3 beasts scarabs and 2 kalguur scarabs

for lost shipments and

[mental nymph]

Oh

Yea

[grizzled lily]

ocassional

[mental nymph]

Harvest is potentially faster

Thx

[grizzled lily]

svalinn

[tranquil sedge]

even the lowest WTB posts (so instasell equivalent) is 2d per 60 lol

or 11c a beast

3d will definitely sell

the price u pay is having to make listing and trade with people

rather than getting async to do it for you

[grizzled lily]

idk now with tft prices it might be much more than 20divs on my setup

[tranquil sedge]

unsure, but guessing just general supply and demand

[mental nymph]

I assume you can sell yellow juice for high end on. TFT as well

[grizzled lily]

i can prob push the beast farming straight to 30divs an h just running throigh

[tranquil sedge]

arent't those channels gone

now that u just trade that via faustus

[mental nymph]

Idk ,haven't checked

[grizzled lily]

theyre back

[low lava]

the pob or the map juicing 😂

[tranquil sedge]

i meant his channel specifically

[mental nymph]

Idk if Poe hub made those channels

[tranquil sedge]

harvest juice

[grizzled lily]

aaaa

[normal hedge]

theres no lifeforce channel

[tranquil sedge]

ye just nis it on faustus

[grizzled lily]

man im at work why cant i be at home farming beasts

3divs 60 yellow beasts thats

[tranquil sedge]

do you just like beastfarming

[grizzled lily]

4 maps

yea its fun asf

[tranquil sedge]

coz you can make 30d/hr on low investment harvest and not have to trade with ppl too

kk

[grizzled lily]

i watch alot of shows

while doing beasts

plus einhar is goated

hes so funny

[tranquil sedge]

sure if you enjoy it nothing to say about it

[normal hedge]

do you get 15 yellow beasts per map?

[brave summit]

(I didn't realise I was checking an empowered mirage 16.5 *facepalm)

[tranquil sedge]

that'll do it 😄

[grizzled lily]

not even maybe depending on the lucky i can make 60 beasts in 5 maps yea i overexagerated tbh

luck*

[tranquil sedge]

ye yellows are pretty fast to farm up tbh

[grizzled lily]

but the red beasts sell good also

[normal hedge]

if you farm 55 maps per hour thats 14d/h

🥀

without counting other stuff ofc

[grizzled lily]

its prob more tbh

idk

its quite lucrative

to do beasts

[frigid wedge]

pob

[grizzled lily]

you need tonfilter them every 20 maps

[drowsy ember]

I'll do, thanks!

[grizzled lily]

but its honest work

[tranquil sedge]

one day you will get an update for this

maybe when they have a disastrous league in the future

[low lava]

imma dm it for starters 😂

[grizzled lily]

ii mean i got my syndicate

[tranquil sedge]

and need to get back goodwill the next league

[frigid wedge]

kk

[grizzled lily]

medallion is 8 divs

[tranquil sedge]

i like the betrayal update too ye

[grizzled lily]

veiled chaos almost every hmsafehouse

i run my own blueprints tho

[tranquil sedge]

betrayal's in a pretty good spot tbh

[grizzled lily]

thats a gamble

[tranquil sedge]

some of the rewards could be made less useless thats for sure

[grizzled lily]

betrayal is amazing but so boring

[tranquil sedge]

but the mechanic itself, nice

i think the hillock overqual should be brought back honestly

and instead of 22/24/26/28 just make it 22/23/24/25 or something

[grizzled lily]

i dread going to the research soemtimes

[normal hedge]

the fractured veiled mod they introduced this league was pretty good

[grizzled lily]

but its fun

[grizzled lily]

true but its overly inflated

[frigid wedge]

research takes me like 12 seconds :D

[cobalt blade]

make it on overqual orb for 21-25

[tranquil sedge]

or that

this is the right answer

another orb lfg

[grizzled lily]

the fracture market for phys weapons is filled

[grizzled lily]

even those secs are boring man

[split maple]

nah that kinda stuff will be 12-24 with 50% chance of poof and corrupts item

[grizzled lily]

you dont read the layout

[cobalt blade]

[tranquil sedge]

would still be fine LOL

[grizzled lily]

you want to die inside lowk

[tranquil sedge]

coz lower tiers of overqual still cheap

[split maple]

yea sure would

i would use that on all them settle chests

maybe not weapons 😛

[normal hedge]

i mean thats fine for me tbh

[cobalt blade]

Honestly id use it to enable the one vaal ascend node sometimes

[tranquil sedge]

not really a bad thing

[dark kite]

if i want to get 2p from recomb, i cant do anything better than just 1p/1p right? its only 1p/1s that crafted mods help with?

[tranquil sedge]

the veiled phys fracture is only equivalent to t4 %inc anyway

[tranquil sedge]

1p 1p and pray

[split maple]

indeed

[normal hedge]

also, if you're going with phys fractured you'll need a lot of contempt essences for the hybrid mod

so

[dim turtle]

true however i'd rather not be there so imma just use trade

[tranquil sedge]

sure, up to you

[grizzled lily]

i want to scam atleast once before they fully shut it down

is it a bad thing to say?

probs

[drowsy ember]

TFT is like a cancer

Just sayin

[muted wedge]

Nah, most of us are old time mmo - rpg players. So we get used to people like you. We don't care anymore tbh.

[grizzled lily]

whos we bro

bros talking for everybody

im playing chill out

[muted wedge]

GGG should have done something like that really.

Instead of leaving that to TFT

[drowsy ember]

Ziz wanted to be part of it 🤣

[muted wedge]

The logic behind it is good. Execution sux tho

[normal hedge]

?

[opal ingot]

@ebon hatch

bro you were fucking cooking

tried your strat

[drowsy ember]

?

[opal ingot]

i kneel

[grizzled lily]

he wanted to take over tft

[normal hedge]

no he didnt

[grizzled lily]

but janabu said nuh uh

[muted wedge]

No he didnt lol

[normal hedge]

it was the other way around

[grizzled lily]

i wont give ownership

[normal hedge]

jenebu wanted to ziz to be the face of tft without giving him the server and he said fuck you loser

[grizzled lily]

idk i saw a youtubeshort ab it yday

[normal hedge]

so again, not sure what dabu is saying

[grizzled lily]

ah pkay

thats the context then

[opal ingot]

where i wanna see it

[normal hedge]

yesterday's vod

[opal ingot]

ziz is so based

[drowsy ember]

They offered Ziz to be part of it but he rejected if wasn't the head of it, something like that, he tweeted that

[stuck brook]

i was a vip on tft for a while, i did not like the place

[grizzled lily]

tbh jenebu is kinda old for these matters

[final owl]

i mean you'd have to be naievely trusting or very stupid to be the face of a thing you don't directly have control over

[grizzled lily]

man are my youtubeshorts ragebaiting me why did i think it the other way around

anyways is jenebu asian

he has a dictators nickname on discord

[final owl]

conveniently cut shorts on youtube. doesn't sound likely to me..

[tranquil sedge]

most of tft only exists coz ggg failed yes, and then they didnt bother afterwards

[round abyss]

I have installed Firewall into my Witch. Now sexy scions in my area no longer DM me

[opal ingot]

imagine a ggg moderated like tft

[tranquil sedge]

i dont even mean ggg-run discord server

[opal ingot]

now u can ACTUALLY report landminers

[tranquil sedge]

i just mean failing to provide in-game ways to do most of the things you'd use tft for

[normal hedge]

they just have to kill the player friction

[opal ingot]

and they get put in low priority queue for league starts

[grizzled lily]

isnt ggg monitoring this server aswell anyways

[opal ingot]

do it ggg

[grizzled lily]

we are all watched by the big brother

[normal hedge]

there are GGG employees here, but they’re not officially affiliated

[tranquil sedge]

they're here independently ^

[grizzled lily]

ah okay i thought that

[normal hedge]

ye

[grizzled lily]

theyre here to check for nerfs

type shi

[tranquil sedge]

or yknow

they're players too

and enjoy being in a disc

[grizzled lily]

trueee

[normal hedge]

no they have poeninja for that 🥀

[grizzled lily]

just dont get ideas on good builds just to delete off existence buddies

[normal hedge]

i remember that one time when viper said he wanted to play a solo aura bot in merc league and everyone blow up saying he confirmed it was op

before league launch

[final owl]

surely they have their own backend info that is wildly more informational than even PoE.ninja

[grizzled lily]

and he was right wtf

[south dagger]

is bv with animate guardian ( minion pact ) not gonna work?

[grizzled lily]

ggg should go out of their way to check rmters and their builds, one way to find nerfs

[tranquil sedge]

• the gold cost on trade is still pretty high if you're buying things in bulk, regardless of async or faustus
• mirroring items still requires trust trades, so fuck doing that with randoms unless you have absolutely no choice
• infinitely easier to use tft for services than in-game channels

these are at least 3 major things i still rely on tft (or echo/sushi too for the mirror stuff) for that there's no indication of being fixed yet lol

[past mantle]

Any time I brought something up to the devs they buffed it or fixed it so we're safe.

[tranquil sedge]

why would you use ag if ur gonna kill him immediately xd

[winged river]

It's finally over 🥲

[past mantle]

Sounds like a good way to punish people who don't RMT for the sins of people who RMT. :xdd:\

[grizzled lily]

but youre playing unheard off mechanics bro

[tranquil sedge]

very nice

[south dagger]

i mean, cant we crank ag's hp more than spectres?

[tranquil sedge]

press x to doubt

[past mantle]

Bro is waffling.

[south dagger]

i know unholy abberation's base hp is insane already

was just wondering

[tranquil sedge]

they're getting what 2 or 3 mil on the spectre

[past mantle]

Not really, no.

[tranquil sedge]

i'd be surprised if you could crack a few hundred k on the ag

[south dagger]

ok thanks

[cobalt blade]

Tbf on that second one theres a handful of people who'll mirror copies of their own item to trade/list on faustus for a 1m+fee worth of div if they know people will buy

[grizzled lily]

its really easy, on a zoomander u can have a perfect turtle guardian with 150k quite easily

[tranquil sedge]

im talking about AG

i know spectre hp going high is easy

[past mantle]

150k is a lot less than a few mil still.

Lol.

[grizzled lily]

well u can put items on ag

imagine that one now

[tranquil sedge]

doesn't nearly make up the difference

[grizzled lily]

really?

[past mantle]

Items aren't going to give you much.

[tranquil sedge]

yes

you can view AG stats in pob

[past mantle]

You're adding increased life to the increased life bucket.

[tranquil sedge]

feel free to try it out

[past mantle]

That's gonna do very little.

[grizzled lily]

hmmm i mean

u need to set up his items before hand

[past mantle]

Wdym?

[grizzled lily]

im p sure on pob u cant see your ag with its items alr setup properly

[tranquil sedge]

its not as much effort as ur making it sound like

obviously, you have to enter them once

[grizzled lily]

it would show like a no item ag

[cobalt blade]

u could prob get AG to the like 300k range but definitely not to spectre numbers

[tranquil sedge]

you can set up AG loadout in pob

this is not new

[grizzled lily]

yea but if u open a fresh pob

[cobalt blade]

(and youd be investing alot more into it than people do minion pact)

[past mantle]

Adding 5 items isn't that much work

[tranquil sedge]

..obviously

[split maple]

you cannot import ag gear sure

[grizzled lily]

i mean if you have rare items in

[split maple]

need manual work

[drowsy ember]

@grizzled lily best map strat for Death's Oath is Breaches right?

[split maple]

can ctrl-c ingame to copy them

[grizzled lily]

or div cards

[split maple]

just issue if you already equiped them

[cobalt blade]

just use rhe shared item section in pob

[grizzled lily]

yea thats one thing

[cobalt blade]

make a copy of your spectre gear there for anytime you reimport

drag and drpp

[past mantle]

That's not hard to do?

[grizzled lily]

you forget to copy your gear

its joever

[past mantle]

Don't forget then?

[drowsy ember]

I don't know that one. Is it meta?

[cobalt blade]

Nah you should just know the stats

lol

[grizzled lily]

true

[cobalt blade]

"i gave it a 300 es hat" or something

[grizzled lily]

yea its p meta

[drowsy ember]

I guess it is a expensive as fuck one? Damnation one?

[hexed egret]

Why are armour stackers wearing necrotic chests

[south dagger]

convert evasion to armor

[tranquil sedge]

iron reflexes + they need ES

[grizzled lily]

plus if u put a ag setup, dont u lose out on some stats because that equipment setup is actually like a secondary setup for your witch for example, not exactly receiving all the buffs from tree or from u etc i suppose

[cobalt blade]

evasion is your best source of armour

[dark kite]

god this claw just refuses to roll t1 fire

[hexed egret]

Wait so evasion armour is better for armour stackers

???????

[tranquil sedge]

dude
AG setups work fine in pob

[south dagger]

yes

[grizzled lily]

a nonono you put div of cloister, the one that gives stacked decks

[past mantle]

Yes because you get modifiers from eva and then when it converts to armour the modifiers from armour.

[grizzled lily]

and just run that on mesa

[hexed egret]

This is so stupid lol

[cobalt blade]

Your grace and determ +stibnite/basalt are multiplicative off each other for your evasion

[dim turtle]

came back to pc to this absolute based piece

[south dagger]

its very fun

[opal ingot]

the joy of poe

[grizzled lily]

get like 80 stacked decks sell it boom

[opal ingot]

i find it pretty cool

[cobalt blade]

Your evasion multipliers dont apply to flat armour thereforr evasion better stat

iron reflexes op

[drowsy ember]

ooooh that one. I like that one but there are better ones for farming currency right? I mean, that strat is the first one

[opal ingot]

nooo

stop doing harvest everyone

[grizzled lily]

idk maybe im not clear enough or maybe i dont know how to properly explain what im trying to say no worries

[dark kite]

if you have 3k armour on chest, 50% inc armor on tree, thats 4500; if you have 3k eva, 50% inc evo, 50% inc armour, iron reflexes, thats 6750, is that right?

[grizzled lily]

strongboxes either cheap or expensive is good

[cobalt blade]

Inc is additive

So its just 6k

[south dagger]

is this standard?

[opal ingot]

no

[dim turtle]

i'd like to brag i managed to lose money on full mirage strongboxes

[opal ingot]

mirage

[tranquil sedge]

ag gear is a separate loadout

your loadout is a separate loadout

[opal ingot]

how

its imposssilbe

[south dagger]

daymn

[opal ingot]

unless your sample size is 3

[past mantle]

It'd be 6k yeah.

[tranquil sedge]

your gear applies to your char, the ag gear applies to him

[dim turtle]

0 tings across 15 maps

[opal ingot]

rip

[cobalt blade]

did you like forget to click operative boxes or something

[drowsy ember]

I didn't know that one has a cheap version. I will check it, thanks!

[dim turtle]

nope

[tranquil sedge]

here's my current pob, https://pobb.in/pEqzYTSQISwN ag is set up separately in there, you can see his stats in calcs tab

i put a custom config coz companionship isn't supported yet, and malediction i dont have configs for

[split maple]

did you like toggle item display back on after accidnetaly pressing 'z'

[dim turtle]

reopen operative 4 times get 10c worth of scarabs

🗣️

[dim turtle]

i play with loot hidden to let it surprise me

[grizzled lily]

yea but does pob set it up automatelly or what idk ill figure it out myself i may not be getting the right answers and am not receiving this info properly

[halcyon flicker]

i saw some guy who rolled all of them

said it was better than corrupting

[cobalt blade]

u have to set it up

[grizzled lily]

like does the secondary setup get affectsd by the tree buffs or not cause

[tranquil sedge]

you set up a loadout for it with the gear set
then calcs tab ag you have to select it as active ag loadout under ag skill gem

[grizzled lily]

thats not on ag but on a witch idk

[cobalt blade]

doesnt get affected

[tranquil sedge]

your tree applies to you, and if it has stats that buff ag, then he only gets those

[cobalt blade]

it applies any inc minion life you have

But doesnt apply any player stats

[near void]

Thought I would reach 3b/h but it started to go down 😢

[tranquil sedge]

^ otherwise no minion stuff would work at all

[grizzled lily]

oho okay

[tranquil sedge]

just peek at the pob i sent u
or any meta AG of smiting pob

[grizzled lily]

im on phone

[tranquil sedge]

later 😛

[grizzled lily]

but yea i get it now

[cobalt blade]

https://pob.cool/

[grizzled lily]

idk i have so many questions when it comes to

pob real numbers

[cobalt blade]

somewhat scuffed to use but helpful

[dark kite]

i have failed like 6 fucking 1p+1p recombs in a row

[tranquil sedge]

next time

do not fail

then you will suceed

[normal hedge]

have you ever tried winning instead

[opal ingot]

someone sold their 8 mod elderslayer maps like they were ordinary 8 mods lol

[cobalt blade]

holy

[grizzled lily]

how i mean did u lose in all 20 maps?

[tranquil sedge]

tfw you find random tabs on trade 😄

[cobalt blade]

I should go thru and list mine of those at some point

[opal ingot]

out of respect for them, i will also run it like an ordinary 8 mod map

[round abyss]

Thats...weird...How come I am so tanky. Does armor DR apply to ES by any chance ?

[tranquil sedge]

from everything i have seen ppl say about them - how did you manage that

[dim turtle]

ran 15 and decided the game just doesnt want me to run strongboxes

[cobalt blade]

against Phys damage yes

[dim turtle]

NO IDEA MAN I WATCHED LIKE 3 VIDEOS OF PPL DOING ITTT

just to be 200% sure

[dark kite]

fuck it im taking a break. gonna do some cleaning.

[normal hedge]

artls i think you should run 15 more

[tranquil sedge]

on one hand, this is how i felt about breach

on the other, strongboxes are supposed to be more consistent

[cobalt blade]

Breach is a higher variance strat tbf

[split maple]

boxes should sustain their own scarbs at least

[dim turtle]

i gambled 200d worth of div cards after and none of them went up all poofed 1st click btw

[normal hedge]

deserved

[round abyss]

Ohhhh thats why. So running STR/INT witch with staff may not be THAT stupid in the end

[cobalt blade]

You just about break even to make profit and then hit big

[cobalt blade]

its usually better to go pure es

[grizzled lily]

im a avide strongbox roller

[dim turtle]

i will do it rn.

[normal hedge]

gamblers deserve to lose everything ( i lost 2k divines early league )

[grizzled lily]

so thats smth that has never happened to me

[cobalt blade]

u just get much higher overall numbers

and can take the recover 5% of es mastery on taking phys damage to completely heal from phys in maps once you have a 15k+ es pool

[dim turtle]

send me boxes tree and scarabs i will check if they are right for the 50th time and lose money running them again.

[tranquil sedge]

don't think of attributes in such a black and white way in this game, unlike in other games

attributes exist only to (a) meet requirements of stuff ur using and (b) to give u the bonus associated with each type of attribute

any character can benefit from any attribute, there's no 'only melee builds/juggernauts must stack strength' etc.

[umbral crag]

You ran with containment?

[cobalt blade]

and then big pool to tank big phys hits

[dim turtle]

yes

[umbral crag]

Try without

I tried without containment and actually had overall higher profit per hr

[dim turtle]

😭 fml

[umbral crag]

Because u spam maps faster and you actually earn alot from volatiles, fog, and blueprints too

[cobalt blade]

I had higher with containment but i also ran caster mastery+fbowb when running it

so it was "speedy" ish containments

[dim turtle]

ok for now high profit/h doesnt matter I JUST DONT WANNA BE IN NEGATIVESSSSS

[grizzled lily]

rolling strongboxes should always give u profits, also haunted mansion no need for full
mirage map

[cobalt blade]

non containment its impossible to not make profit

[grizzled lily]

also scry

[cobalt blade]

the scarabs are just dirt cheap

[umbral crag]

Oh i do roll my boxes

The all scarabs are same type really fucks ur profit up

[grizzled lily]

rolling those operative boxes breaking my filter

[dim turtle]

i had that so many times

[grizzled lily]

seeing a big shoppingnlist

ahhh

[dim turtle]

and noticed it

first hand

[grizzled lily]

i kinda miss rolling strongboxes also

[dim turtle]

even

[tranquil sedge]

@split maple

[frigid wedge]

harvest

[grizzled lily]

harvest is so boring tho

even for my beast brain

[near void]

Essences

[dim turtle]

i ran harvest a lot when blue juice wasnt like poo2 exalts

[round abyss]

Yeah when I say INT/STR, I mean ES/Armor, going sligtly to left into Templar's personal space on passive tree

[split maple]

i said that first

[tranquil sedge]

ik thats why i tagged u

[frigid wedge]

ur meant to grt yellow

[spice pecan]

the squid returns

[umbral crag]

I have budget breach for fun, but my money maker this league has been strongbox and essence

Essence ngl higher profit for me so far

[dim turtle]

i was dw

[tranquil sedge]

aye there's very little in terms of restrictions in this game, very freeform

[split maple]

but rly this is the first league i rly want to be able to block boxes

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

[cobalt blade]

My money makers been hive fortress unique gambling

[lucid kiln]

can someone tell me why this shield is 600div?

[cobalt blade]

+1 frenzy good base

[split maple]

it has that flicker strike synth on it

[dim turtle]

my money makers have been 2 button flipping items for 60d/h in hideout

[lucid kiln]

Oooh

I see I see

[grizzled lily]

it gets better the more the league plays out tbh

[cobalt blade]

And then its also crafted tho idk if id value it at 600

[grizzled lily]

noone does essences by the time month 2 hits

[cobalt blade]

Not too hard of a craft depending on base price

[grizzled lily]

just grab a cheap plus one frenzy

and craft it yourself lol

but if thats the cheapest one

…

[dim turtle]

cheap and +1 frenzy in the same sentence

lule

[tranquil sedge]

how much is just the base
without any of the craft on it

[grizzled lily]

its a shield

rings are less expensive than thay

[near void]

I used to like harvest but this season I feel like getting less T3 seeds, and forcing a lot of T4 seeds it PAIN because of their invul phases...

[tranquil sedge]

thats why you dont do that

and try to avoid the t4

[near void]

Essences you can just alt and go

[tranquil sedge]

right now we're literally just harvest rushing for yellow and teleporting out

and its like 30d/hr or more

[near void]

I wish there would be a scarab "T3 are more likely to be found" or smth. Cause I get none or 1/2
Would like to get like 7 T3 seeds or smth

[tranquil sedge]

wouldn't make the diff you hope for

if t3 was more common, it'd be worth less

net result a wash

but if you wanna see more t3s start using astrolabes ig

[near void]

But juice numbers after map would be higher. High juice numbers = brain happy

[tranquil sedge]

the enchants make the later maps visibly more populated with t3s

[lucid kiln]

these are the only two on trade

[cobalt blade]

doesnt hsve to be a cardinal theres other okay bases

[grizzled lily]

how did i find a cheaper one tho

[lucid kiln]

ohh my bad

i searched for the cardinal one in particular

[tranquil sedge]

he specified cardinal bases probably

[grizzled lily]

why

[lucid kiln]

si

[grizzled lily]

i mean

[lucid kiln]

i dont know

[grizzled lily]

is it needed

[lucid kiln]

i know nothig about the game

[dim turtle]

what do u replace it with

[grizzled lily]

teo strongbox scarabs

lol

two*

[dim turtle]

thats.... fair enough LMAO

[cobalt blade]

u also i think replace discern with a regular box scarab for non containment

since iirc doesnt affect operatives at all just chance for arcanist/diviners and you care more about total boxes for operative

[dim turtle]

[grizzled lily]

i mean if u scry

defile cathedral

you can drop divine beauties

and fortunates

but yea overall just go without unless

[cobalt blade]

correct because div boxes dont care about scry

just the monster loot portion of boxes does not flat loot

[tranquil sedge]

@opal ingot took the time to check what hideouts i still need to get

enlightened
immaculate

extremely rare:
sunken```

[grizzled lily]

is everyone on a craze?

for hideouts

[tranquil sedge]

nah sage just helped get a few

so i figured might as well check

[dim turtle]

so triple ambush + potency + hidden?

[grizzled lily]

yea he gave me one aswell(got called out in the proccess tho)

[cobalt blade]

Yer

[grizzled lily]

take your chaos ex and regals also

and alchs

u need them

xdd

[dim turtle]

[cobalt blade]

nah fuck that always corrupted box node

[grizzled lily]

hel naw

horror node

[dim turtle]

the 5k stack of chaos will finally have a use

[cobalt blade]

moment u start manually rolling boxes might as well quit

[split maple]

dude you gonna spend 3h per map

[grizzled lily]

im not getting 7 expedition scarabs anymore

[dim turtle]

ye im ngl

rolling sounds painful but

i might try for a bit

[split maple]

dont

[dim turtle]

if it takes too long corrupt

[grizzled lily]

its better profits

i think

per map

[split maple]

how is it better profits

[grizzled lily]

not per h i think

[cobalt blade]

Per map profit yes per hour profit no

[split maple]

you do map per hour

[grizzled lily]

tea but you can get 10 horned scarabs per map

instead of torment scarabs

[split palm]

I've been constantly low on chaos this league ngl

[grizzled lily]

cause the node gave an operative with

every scarab is the same

[split palm]

Like 1.2kd in divs

And 20 chaos

[grizzled lily]

idk jsut saying for me personally its better to roll them

[cobalt blade]

Same because i keep converting up since its bad to sit on chaos rn

[grizzled lily]

i get to choose what i want

[dim turtle]

no rolling at first so i dont mental boom early

[split palm]

It's a good thing btw

[grizzled lily]

why full mirage lol

[cobalt blade]

idt you bother with full mirage

[dim turtle]

i have 2 stacks of chaos in stash rn

[split palm]

Because it can convert scarabs and give DIABOLICAL

[grizzled lily]

just go haunted mansions

[tranquil sedge]

DIABOLIVAL

[split palm]

Stacks

[cobalt blade]

you just run haunted mansion since the scarabs are cheap

[dim turtle]

i alr have a bunch of prerolled full mirage might aswell use them

[split palm]

I am on the phone ok

[grizzled lily]

ehhh

[tranquil sedge]

[grizzled lily]

those are 75c map

eating into your profits alr

idk

[dim turtle]

i farm belt and get them for free

[cobalt blade]

so true

[umbral crag]

Just 3 ambush scarab, 1 potent, 1 of the other ambush one

[tranquil sedge]

thats not how free works

[grizzled lily]

okay sure

[dim turtle]

shhhhhhh

[tranquil sedge]

but yknow what if u enjoy it sure

[umbral crag]

The hidden compartment

[dim turtle]

let me cope

[cobalt blade]

i did the same back when the maps were half the price recoup running saresh rly early league

[dim turtle]

i legit dont use them for any other strat i do

so

[tranquil sedge]

just found a bunch of invitations in my stash

yum

time to get lucky?

[grizzled lily]

never lucky

i ran 50 of those alr

[dim turtle]

now roll them all to 110%+ quant

[grizzled lily]

didnt get nun good

[cobalt blade]

surely you get vile bastion or other good jewels

[grizzled lily]

not even one melding

[drowsy ember]

Question for Impending Doom enjoyers:

Sometimes when I face a monster (rare or unique) and I cast my Temporal Chains on it, it does no "hit", it looks and sound the same when I cast it with nothing around but after a while the Temporal Chains start to sound and look like hits. What is this and what am I missing?

[tranquil sedge]

i just exalted to 6 mod and vaaled im not lookin at the rolls

[cobalt blade]

impending doom on cooldown?

ex temporal bubble mob increasing your cd

[grizzled lily]

does it give anything if u roll them? just the exception currency no?

better chance or whatever

[cobalt blade]

affects jewel drop chance

for forbiddens

[grizzled lily]

really?

[cobalt blade]

super worth running them at 80+ quant

Ye

[grizzled lily]

wtf

[cobalt blade]

its noticeable in large sample size

extremely noticeable

[drowsy ember]

This?

[grizzled lily]

classic reading comprehension problems

[cobalt blade]

Ye

[round abyss]

Are cosmetics character bound or account bound ?

[cobalt blade]

Probably viable but str stacking would be better

[tranquil sedge]

account, but only usable on one char at a time

[grizzled lily]

i assumed rolling them rare and running it would really do much

[round abyss]

That aint THAT bad then...

[grizzled lily]

wouldnt*

u learn smth new every day

[drowsy ember]

But it says 0,11 sec CD after I cast it. What do you mean then?

[tranquil sedge]

worth repeating in case nobody told you yet already though - dont waste points on cosmetics until you're done with all necessary stash space

[cobalt blade]

you can do chaos conversion with lycia and jewel

Tattos still work with caspiro

just not str stacking rly since u lose damage scaling vectors

ah ye

[dim turtle]

ok

[cobalt blade]

so you can only trigger it every 1/10 of a second

[grizzled lily]

correction, dont waste it on skins that arent effects of skills

or auras

everything else is not even noticeable

[cobalt blade]

therefore if your castspeed is high enough youll cast it without triggering

[grizzled lily]

while blasting

[cobalt blade]

Multiple times

[opal ingot]

ripperoni, i got all of this this league XD. except sunken

maybe next league ill hunt ill tell you

[tranquil sedge]

dw im keeping an eye out on tft now

[cobalt blade]

could go occy pcharge stack chaos convert

[tranquil sedge]

i saw that reddit post earlier today about the guy who got all hideouts he needed this league

was that u?

[cobalt blade]

probably okay

[drowsy ember]

Can you explain it to me like I was 5?

[tranquil sedge]

@opal ingot

[grizzled lily]

isnt there an ascendant kf wander build somewhere

i saw it once

on youtub

[dim turtle]

2 operative 1 diviner on full mirage with 3 ambush scarabs but we profit 🗣️

[cobalt blade]

your doomblast has a 0.11 second cd > it can only deal damage every 0.11 seconds regardless of you casting temp chains

its why cdr is such a nuts stat lol

[grizzled lily]

well u dont it fullnmirage then yk

if youre not going containment

you have no reason to run the wholenmirage map

[opal ingot]

yeah

[dim turtle]

i can run regu maps it's w/e to me rly

[opal ingot]

i need my reddit points

[grizzled lily]

hust go haunted mansion alch and go

[dim turtle]

alr

[grizzled lily]

trust me

[cobalt blade]

and temporal bubble mobs i think would make that cd close to 0.2-0.3 sec which would ahve the effect of u not triggering doomblast for a while

no chill overrides always chill

there is but its shit

hatred sublime

lol

[tranquil sedge]

what about brittle ground boots eldritch implicit

[stuck phoenix]

That isn't the wording
Honestly they don't even really interact
But obviously chill related stats will be meaningless if you cannot inflict chill

[cobalt blade]

biggest pob pad except for like coc

or anything else your standing ontop of mobs

lemme run brittle ground on this uncapped crit mapper

[grizzled lily]

i mean

depends now

you can flame dash twice on a boss

before hitting it

okay im joking

but imagine the tech

[cobalt blade]

It lasts so little time u need to be a boss 1 shotter for that in which case yes its fine

[drowsy ember]

When I cast it that thing get from 3 to 0 and then 3 again... etc etc, but sometimes when I cat the curse into a mob, that thing stuck at 3 and do nothing

[cobalt blade]

people do that

[cobalt blade]

then something else is fucked up with your setup maybe mana cost

Its something id have to look at a pob for and i havent played ID in a long enough time to actually troubleshoot it

[drowsy ember]

I have Eldritch Battery with 745 ES to use

[cobalt blade]

ic

[frigid wedge]

u sure its not just the cooldown runegraft

that sometimes means its not used up on skill use

[grizzled lily]

i want to play deaths oath aswell

now

[drowsy ember]

I don't have any runegraft

[cobalt blade]

deaths oath is just a CA build but your wearing a shit chest

[dim turtle]

[spice pecan]

you don't have to play CA for DO anymore

you can use a shield

[frigid wedge]

do hasnt used ca for a while

[cobalt blade]

True they have the new funny ring i guess

[frigid wedge]

u grab a decay shako or an id helm

[cobalt blade]

oh ye they just run shako right

[spice pecan]

yeah you either go id or decay shako + stormburst for single target

[cobalt blade]

Still just a doom build running a shit chest

[spice pecan]

i mean it's cooler RF

[cobalt blade]

naaah

[grizzled lily]

yea but the sounds

when it pops

[cobalt blade]

RF>DO

[grizzled lily]

argh

[cobalt blade]

what sounds thats just profane bloom

[grizzled lily]

rf better than do for sure

[drowsy ember]

@cobalt blade this is my build from PoB and nothing changed, just default https://pobb.in/bMB0V1uorMS5

[grizzled lily]

not by much tho

[frigid wedge]

dps

10k

[tranquil sedge]

20 normal eater; never lucky

[frigid wedge]

yoooo

[split palm]

Every time

I see palsteron slayer

[drowsy ember]

I'm not good configurating PoB to boost the damage to the moon

[grizzled lily]

yea but its a no button build so imagine just walking in a pack and hearing the biggest screech of your life EVERY TIME

[split palm]

I think sage killed plasteron

[frigid wedge]

nah ik im kidding

[grizzled lily]

best dad gamer build

[frigid wedge]

he definitely tried

[cobalt blade]

but like you could just play herald of the hive instead with profane bloom

[dim turtle]

so i run 15 containment on full mirage and get 0 tinks

[cobalt blade]

or something that just isnt DO

[dim turtle]

i run hobo behind shop 0 invest and get a tink every map

ok

[cobalt blade]

I think your just missing cast speed

but i cant actually check properly since on mobile

and I don't fully know how it works with single curse vixens since never played that setup or if you have enough aoe for overlaps with cascade

[ebon hatch]

what strat.. harvest rush?

[drowsy ember]

Cast Speed is that important?

[stuck phoenix]

Two max curse, only 1 curse in gloves?

[ebon hatch]

if so, im giad it worked out

[cobalt blade]

Ye its an animation thing

[hardy heath]

random ass 30c map

[grizzled lily]

bladefall of tharthrus ruetoo style i suppose but that doesnt have profane bloom hmm

[stuck phoenix]

Does that matter if you only have your max curses though

[opal ingot]

yea

[cobalt blade]

it does so vixens triggers after and removes your tempchains

to trigger doomblast

[stuck phoenix]

Removes what

As I said, he only has two curses

[cobalt blade]

Idk the exact amount and you also need to balance cdr with cast speed

[stuck phoenix]

And a curse limit of 2

[cobalt blade]

you cast temp chains

Vixens casts other curse

It overwrites

[karmic gust]

you can also just imbue cursed ground and dont worry about any of that :d

i think this league i would just do that

[stuck phoenix]

It only overwrite if you'd go above your curse limit

He's not

[drowsy ember]

3 max curses

[ebon hatch]

that’s great… i might buy some more of your yellow juice for my gamba then

[stuck phoenix]

Oh, well, that doesn't help

[cobalt blade]

They have an eldritch blasphemy setup

[stuck phoenix]

But also doesn't matter

Oh

I see

[cobalt blade]

And 3 curse is fine they can apply and overwrite temp chains still

[stuck phoenix]

Fair enough then

Yeah not enough cast speed then

[cobalt blade]

my guess is just animation cast speed nonsense

[stuck phoenix]

Try socketing faster casting support instead of unbound ailments

Just to see

[drowsy ember]

So I have to boost the cast?

[cobalt blade]

Yeh

[tacit crow]

hi naca

[cobalt blade]

faster casting imbue time

hiiii :3

[drowsy ember]

My curse says 3.56 Casts per Second

nvm that was with Frenzies, it is 3.2

[stuck phoenix]

Ngl I kinda glossed over eldritch blasphemy

[karmic gust]

lol expected less but makes senes

[stuck phoenix]

Haven't taken time to read all exceptional gems yet

[cobalt blade]

Its rly good with will of x rings

[tranquil sedge]

dam

[karmic gust]

it shouldnt be that hard to hit tho

like how muc stuff can even roll on curses

[cobalt blade]

the aura scaling from those rings doesnt specify non curse

[tranquil sedge]

1/16

[karmic gust]

yea thats kinda freee

[drowsy ember]

Mine has Efficacy

[karmic gust]

i would imbue cursred ground and drop vixens :d

[stuck phoenix]

16 tries is kinda rough

[karmic gust]

if you are only casting ele weakness from it fr trigger

[cobalt blade]

honestly ye^

[karmic gust]

you can also trry checking despair prices

[mental nymph]

[karmic gust]

despair imbue is only 10 divs

for cursed ground

[cobalt blade]

Nah it needs to be temp chains

[stuck phoenix]

Though it's 15 isn't it

[cobalt blade]

you lose the balance if its not

[spice pecan]

alright, best herald effect mtx for herald of ash

[drowsy ember]

Not enough currency for that change now

[cobalt blade]

too much cdr to give up

[spice pecan]

automaton looks kinda meh

[tranquil sedge]

just reading whatever site says ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stuck phoenix]

Smh

[tranquil sedge]

other site also says same thing

[stuck phoenix]

Any valid support you can buy from Lilly that isn't a hybrid gem

[karmic gust]

well you can just self cast on the side but fair

[tranquil sedge]

i hate poedb interface too much to bother checking poedb

[stuck phoenix]

Which means not impending doom

[tranquil sedge]

thats a great website with a bad* ui

[cobalt blade]

and now your build feels awful to play :D

[stuck phoenix]

Poedb doesn't try to list these

[karmic gust]

well you are clearing with deaths oath anyway there right

[tranquil sedge]

it does list supports for any skill gem

i just cba look it up

[karmic gust]

so you are probs not rly getting any wither regardless

when clearing

or i mean

any temp chains casts

[stuck phoenix]

Or in other words, non-exceptional gems with no drop restrictions (that aren't hybrid gems)

[tranquil sedge]

that is the list shown there

[cobalt blade]

still matters for st vs tanky rares or map boss though

Since do cant actually kill those

[stuck phoenix]

Yeah but then you still need to know which ones are exceptional, hybrid, or drop restricted, and not count them

[tranquil sedge]

sure

[stuck phoenix]

No. Impending doom is a hybrid gem

[tranquil sedge]

oh 🤔

[stuck phoenix]

._.

Smh

[tranquil sedge]

o dam

okay 1/15 even easier then

[stuck phoenix]

15 tries is still painful

[karmic gust]

well its not 67 divs painful

[stuck phoenix]

No

[cobalt blade]

its alot cheaper than buying

Thats solid profit margins if they sell tbh

[tranquil sedge]

there's a lotta $ to be made in imbues

[hardy heath]

just hit it first try

[karmic gust]

if efficacy sells as well

[tranquil sedge]

but finding what's what is the effort

[cobalt blade]

yer

[karmic gust]

then you ca make money back from fails too

[round abyss]

So far I have 1 currency, 1 trade and free2play 4 tabs you start with.
Of course I also have 4 chests you get. Heist stash, expedition stash, wombgift stash and relic box.

I have decided if I get character to lvl100 I'll buy it skin, as cherry on top

[cobalt blade]

All times ive imbued ive made profit

[karmic gust]

i bet hexbloom also sells

and spell cascade maybe

[cobalt blade]

off hits sell surprisingly well

[tranquil sedge]

sure up to you
the recommended next tabs for you are fragment, map, and then (imo) divination

those hold by far the most items that you commonly come across.

[cobalt blade]

cascade probably not

You rly want greater for overlaps

[drowsy ember]

Fuck, there are no clusters like mine with Cast Speed 🙁

[round abyss]

Considering large amount I have, I am thinking also about essence tab and skillgem tab

[tranquil sedge]

skill gem tab is not important

[spice pecan]

kinda torn between transcendence herald effect vs white herald effect

[tranquil sedge]

essence tab is only important if you actually farm essences specifically a lot

the ones i listed in my reply are more important overall.

and its what we tell every new player to get

[grizzled lily]

celestial

[cobalt blade]

skill gem tab id only buy if your a boss farmer and like collecting exceptional gems tbh

Its very useless

[grizzled lily]

or the autamaton

[cobalt blade]

but its funny

[grizzled lily]

are cool

[tranquil sedge]

currency > fragment + map > 1x merchant > divination

of these u have the currency and merchant

so missing the other 3.

[spice pecan]

everyone says automaton but it kinda looks like whatever besides herald of ice tbh

[grizzled lily]

check fire one

its so much clutter

its amazing

[cobalt blade]

isnt automaton the goated hoa one

[tranquil sedge]

i gotta do chores around the house if u got more questions on stash tabs someone else can answer

brb some time

[round abyss]

Skill gems and essence are taking half of my free2play tab.

I stash vaal and trans skill gems I dont need right now but might need later. Essence is neat when levling up because it is basically free alchemy orb with one stat guranteed

[grizzled lily]

i think hoa looks bad on everyone of them zdd

[spice pecan]

kinda wish i could see some like turbo explodes on different herald mtx

[stuck phoenix]

Just sell trans gems you don't need

[spice pecan]

because i only ever see ppl use automaton or celestial

[cobalt blade]

u just sell the gems you dont need and buy them back especially dirt cheap ones

[grizzled lily]

yutub

[tranquil sedge]

my answer is the same, even after reading this

but we can only give recommendations

ultimately your money and your game experience, up to you 👍
do whatever you feel is most fun for u

[stuck phoenix]

Buy them again if you need them later

Trash vaal gems

[grizzled lily]

dont have any videos w them

like notnthe official

[cobalt blade]

like do your really need to gold onto a 1 c glacial cascade transfigure or w/e

[grizzled lily]

ggg

[stuck phoenix]

Essences don't take much space if you're not investing into essences

[grizzled lily]

but ither people trying them

[opal ingot]

heh

[stuck phoenix]

And just sell them

It's fast liquidation

[spice pecan]

death really didnt wait huh

[drowsy ember]

I will try to change my wand when I get enough divines for a different base with cast speed

[round abyss]

My idea is that, THIS character doesent uses this skill but another one might. Being fucking hoarder just saved me grind for fire rain of meteors since I already have it

[cobalt blade]

well ye but you can just grab it from trade later

[drowsy ember]

I have a lot of good items but none is selling 🙁

[cobalt blade]

you dont need to hold shit you arent currently setting a char for

and if you do youd prob want to buy an imbued one anyway so no reason to hold onto it

tho if your ssf fair enough i guess

[stuck phoenix]

When I said sell I meant to players

You can buy another of the same gem for about as much as you can sell one for

[round abyss]

Not quite SSR, but more like "I do want play with friends, but also want to keep buying/selling to minimum"

[hardy heath]

i always undeprice my items, idk i just have more fun selling stuff fast than waiting ages for a few extra div

[grizzled lily]

u cant never have enough archdemon crowns

[cobalt blade]

I just list expensive shit when sleeping down price it if it doesnt sell overnight lol

[grizzled lily]

i love hoarding in poe

best activies

are buying items keeping them in stash

and never touching them

[round abyss]

Fellow loot goblin detected

[cobalt blade]

skul

[stuck phoenix]

Well if you want to really hoard

[cobalt blade]

tbh i do the same but with few of a kind items i might have a use for (ex weirdly specific canes/watchers lol)

[stuck phoenix]

You need most special tabs

[cobalt blade]

just not with anything you can always buy

[grizzled lily]

i still have items from league start in case i might lebel a new character

[stuck phoenix]

Though honestly even if you hoard gems, unless you're grinding lab, you don't need the gem tab

[cobalt blade]

bosss farming too

[grizzled lily]

(twink gear doesnt exist in my mind or smth)

[round abyss]

Grinding lab
Yep....Here we go...

[cobalt blade]

My gem tab would always get filled up with awakened ones previous leagues and exceptional this league

[stuck phoenix]

Like a hundred lab runs

[drowsy eagle]

just throw them all into 50 quad tabs

[stuck phoenix]

Yes but no

[dim turtle]

i ran 17 strongbox maps they didnt scam me this time 🗣️

[grizzled lily]

whats the oberall profits

sith that 5c/setup

maybe 6c with the map cost

its gotta be

alot

[dim turtle]

no idea i didnt bother refreshing wealthy but i dropped a bunch of 1d+/70c ones

[grizzled lily]

nice

[round abyss]

Who cares about profits. For me PoE is alt Warframe. I just wanna brainstorm fucky builds, kill by dozens and collect things I dont need

[dim turtle]

i just hate how wealthy prices the dogshit scarabs at actual value ngl

[grizzled lily]

you can 3/1 them also

[gentle chasm]

builds cost money tho

[grizzled lily]

is it 3-1 or 5-1

[grizzled lily]

we care

[tranquil sedge]

the more wacky your build or if you want to experiment with more insane gear, it does in fact cost money

[zealous yarrow]

Guys is this good?

[dim turtle]

ill just throw all scarabs in bulk at some point

[grizzled lily]

no, i can have it tho

[round abyss]

Not always. You can just craft items you need

[zealous yarrow]

Its not finished

[tranquil sedge]

that also takes money.

[zealous yarrow]

Need to do prefixes

But each time I fill its a lock annul

[round abyss]

.....After some point, I guess, but you can also grind your ass flat instead

[tranquil sedge]

that 'some point' is reached pretty quickly

so realistically, odds are you just haven't made much yet at all, or progress is very slow

[dim turtle]

i got 2 containment from 180 of these

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laughing-laugh-spit-movies-gif-5388218

[cobalt blade]

cann cofirm have tossed many hundreds of div at some items

[round abyss]

By the way, lvl100 is cap for items too right, not just players

[cobalt blade]

yes but it doesnt actually matter

[split maple]

for item level? yea

[cobalt blade]

no mod requires higher than ilvl 86

[round abyss]

IIRC numbers on mods scale with item level

[grizzled lily]

like wdym

[split maple]

no

[round abyss]

oh

[cobalt blade]

god i wish

[dim turtle]

3-1d 180 of breach hive

[cobalt blade]

that would be so broken

its just tiers of mods that can roll

[round abyss]

I see

[grizzled lily]

nice nice

i ahould do the same

[rough field]

You can use poe.re to regex scarabs to sell for 3:1

Save it in poe awakened trade

[round abyss]

I guess base value of armor/ES/evasion on armor scales with level then ? I remember SOMETHING did

[rough field]

No it’s random too

Can use sacred orb to roll

[hardy heath]

nothing realy scales

its just what tiers can roll

[tulip rain]

Yo 2 questions
Is there a build that can tank and regen inside of uber sirus storms
And if you stand under sirus in the storm, will he come down, or do you need to move the storm away first

[round abyss]

Either I am misremembring or I am getting my ARPGs mixed up again...I guess it was Torchlight 2 items that scaled

[cobalt blade]

its just mod tiers like t1% ES requires ilvl 86 as an example

(ignore the t2 hybrid i settled after using nearly twice the amount of dense to hit triple t1 and then proceeded to hit enchant)

but nothing past that cares about ilvl

[tranquil sedge]

you can run under him to force him down faster

[surreal mulch]

why are half the builds I click on dessicated gull blunderbore istg

[tranquil sedge]

because new belt

[tough cove]

because its a good basic setup

[surreal mulch]

I know but like cmon

[tranquil sedge]

well

good news

the other half are not 😄

[tough cove]

theres also a lot of variety with the belts

[cobalt blade]

gull op

blunderbore i think is unncesary most of the time though

[tough cove]

yeah

its in the nice but not necessary catergory

gull also depends on what setup your running

[hardy heath]

shrine buffs are just broken

[tough cove]

ie diamond gull is probably unnecessary

[cobalt blade]

it does nothing

[tranquil sedge]

resonating too

[cobalt blade]

for diamond

resonating it can be good

[tranquil sedge]

o?

[cobalt blade]

specifically on guardian

10% shrine effect small

90% gull brings u to +2 charge

[hardy heath]

gull gives most value for charlatan anyway

[tranquil sedge]

oh 😮

[cobalt blade]

and then ofc you can use blunderbore gull to get 100% shrine effect for +2 as well

[tranquil sedge]

thats some big brain stuff

[cobalt blade]

yer

[tranquil sedge]

question

i know damage reduction caps at 90% for phys and ele

but if i had say 18 endurance charges at 5% each, that's 90% less ele damage taken

if i wore a body with '6% less fire damage taken' on top of that

it'd still work or nah

[cobalt blade]

reduced not less so the less fire dmg applies

yer

it caps at 90% reduced

less multipliers still work

so like arctic armour 22%

[tranquil sedge]

4% additional Physical Damage Reduction per Endurance Charge
oh reduced not less

thanks

[opal ingot]

cool

[tranquil sedge]

vaal it

[hardy heath]

yep

i hit corrupted one on my last one i vaaled

[opal ingot]

no

[cobalt blade]

temple time

[hardy heath]

can confirm always vaal

[opal ingot]

i will DOUBLE vaal it

[tranquil sedge]

even better

u better hit 2% mre + cb

[opal ingot]

ugh im too lazy to buy though

[dim turtle]

is bro running elderslayers harvest

[opal ingot]

no

[dim turtle]

or w/e the inv was called

[opal ingot]

im not running the elderslayers

someone just posted an 8mod elderslayer map the same price as a normal 8 mod

so lik

[dim turtle]

oh

[opal ingot]

why the hell not

[dim turtle]

get some chisels while at it atp

[opal ingot]

nah

im a div per hour andy