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[bleak quiver]

true, 6

only 4 are ever used so i forgot...

[knotty geyser]

rematch

[opaque sphinx]

and then scion has 18

so 126 in total?

[bleak quiver]

its 1 for each ascendencie

and reliquary has no FFs

[opaque sphinx]

yeh

so 18

[bleak quiver]

also another L

[opaque sphinx]

f

[short prairie]

I’m wondering what reliquarian gonna get that works with flicker next league

[bleak quiver]

hopefully at least one node worth picking outside ssf cuz this one was dreadful

[timid crow]

i count 135 nodes in the ascendancies, so... 270 total

[short prairie]

Only the terminus node and brass dome ones were ok

[bleak quiver]

the dome was "fine"

terminus est is ok in ssf, and the bleed one is playable in trade league

[short prairie]

The thirst for blood one ye

[bleak quiver]

the rest were a insult to require a ascendency point

[tranquil umbra]

farrul's fur

[short prairie]

The last wheel is terrible

[undone sparrow]

Yo did servers get nuked or what lol

[short prairie]

Purity of elements being the best possible option was so bad

[tranquil umbra]

if they are gonna put like low rarity items again

uh

[short prairie]

Brass dome was t3 wasn’t it

[tranquil umbra]

lebronn james?

[bleak quiver]

it wsnt just low rarity

[tranquil umbra]

ig astral projector is like t2

[bleak quiver]

the sirius belt was there too

[tranquil umbra]

well the options are limited to the body armour, weapon, or jewellery

[bleak quiver]

which they made shit for no reason, which was honestly the biggest problem

they picked items that were meh, and made them worse? like, why

[short prairie]

exactly

[limpid prairie]

Buying a runegraft of the warp is still so painful :(

[short prairie]

Terminus gives only charge on crit was criminal

At least give us like the aspd

Make it non local aspd

[onyx adder]

Some of the nodes are good enough to be worth the points, the real issue is that theres pretty much 0 builds that can get good use fro 3 nodes

And when u only have 3 nodes thats kinda criminal

[short prairie]

I wish reliquarian can be more flexible. Like if I want to allocate 2 armor or weapon nodes within the same wheel, I can but requires you to take last wheel

To get that extra point

[onyx adder]

Right now it needs power over flexibility but sure eventually that sounds nice

[stuck phoenix]

I'm not sure you can really call it not flexible with 24 notables

Xd

[short prairie]

I guess ggg can say, ohhhh she’s a reliquarian she still needs to learn that’s why all the nodes are scuffed

[short prairie]

I want moarrr flexibility

[stuck phoenix]

Smh

[short prairie]

I build defense I take 2 armor nodes

I build offense I take 2 weapon nodes

[bleak quiver]

she's flexible the same way a piece of metal with 300 holes is flexible

[stuck phoenix]

Also actually like 23 but eh

[bleak quiver]

its so flexibles that it breaks instantly cuz it has no structure

[stuck phoenix]

Close enough

[short prairie]

The structure is one armor one weapon (spell or melee) and then one jewelry

but that really sucks if no good options

That fit your build

[bleak quiver]

they can probably cook a better selection of items so they at least have a cool archetype next league

[tranquil umbra]

yeah I can't really see anything that would work with flicker once terminus rotates out

[short prairie]

Say armor section sucks for your build, you should be able to convert that to a, say, jewelry point

[short prairie]

Right?

[hard cliff]

ok wish me luck guys

I either get through act 2 or I die of RUIN

Portal = no balls

[short prairie]

I got to 6 stacks of ruins twice

On vaal oversoul

[short prairie]

Them architects are so annoying

[bleak quiver]

the rocks...

[hard cliff]

I got to 4 last time and realized I had not enough damage so I left to upgrade

if this doesn't do it fuck it

I am not worthy

[short prairie]

I’m at 900dps

Still can’t get through fast enough

Tooltip dps

[hard cliff]

I haven't pob'ed this setup but it's at least over 9000

[winter bronze]

guys, any good place to convert pob.in to anything else? my pob won't open this link... https://pobb.in/CiQnCQkgr0_N

[hard cliff]

I got you

https://poe.ninja/poe1/pob/8e8fc

https://maxroll.gg/poe/pob/rzdpz10u

[winter bronze]

it's some dns thing, but I tried everything and can't get it working >_<

[winter bronze]

ty so much!

[hard cliff]

mods I'll take my new role now

[compact bronze]

How important is to improve fork angle with tree node?

[hard cliff]

wat skill ?

[compact bronze]

Kboc

[short prairie]

Helper Piragon

[compact bronze]

Im using a jewel to allocate nodes without connecting to tree, and my guide gets the improved fork angle small node, so im wondering if its realy worth it

[charred sigil]

If I link Hextouch and a Curse to Coldsnap ... does it apply the curse just on the initial hit, or also on everything getting damaged by the cold ground effect?

[vapid junco]

only hit

[hard cliff]

I'mma be real with you chief not feeling great about this dps https://streamable.com/twoivy

[bleak quiver]

fork angle is whatever, what you want is the fork extra proj chance before and after it

which is a huge

[short prairie]

Kboc fork angle matters cuz it shotguns better

[bleak quiver]

eh, its very minimal tbh, the extra proj behind it is the main point

specially with return

[short prairie]

Palsteron explained how fork angle works in one of his kboc vid I think

[limpid prairie]

what is it?

[native token]

a jewel

[limpid prairie]

true

[short prairie]

A cobalt jewel

[tranquil umbra]

righteous providence sell it to me for 50d

[short prairie]

What should my next character be

Have flicker reliquarian and bv chief

Both at 15m dps

[limpid prairie]

it was a witch node 2 divs if it sells

[short prairie]

I thought it was a cobalt jewel

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/uLWMEvR.jpeg

ran out of mana

[short prairie]

what ascendancy is the most tanky in ssf

[hard cliff]

I hate this game

[short prairie]

F

[hard cliff]

time to play more tommorrow

[short prairie]

7 ruins

You could’ve logged at 6

I logged at 6 twice

[hard cliff]

Spent 3 hours farming to this boss

I'm tired boss

I'm not farming another hour

Also logging out is cheating

I would have used a portal

[wheat sinew]

[hard cliff]

TBH the biggest thing this learned is

I kinda wanna make a rain of arrows ranger

Is it viable four stones league start 10 divine budget with immortale defenses ?

[short prairie]

Rip Ben aug

Aug life got 6 life

But I bet 81 or lower so I got his channel points

[short prairie]

Portal doesn’t clear ruin stacks

[thick goblet]

don't scare me by starting a sentence with rip ben

[short prairie]

Harvest aug

[thick goblet]

has he revealed what his bossing build will be

[short prairie]

Hm dps does Ben usually get in gauntlets

[short prairie]

Totems

[thick goblet]

what

oh

[short prairie]

Dps.

Typo

[thick goblet]

im not sure

[opaque sphinx]

not poor anymore

[prime needle]

Does orb of dominance respect meta mods

[opaque sphinx]

nop

[short prairie]

if you id a more than skill you wouldve been rich

[opaque sphinx]

thats like 1/130

[hard cliff]

Neither does logging

[hard cliff]

Congrats

[hard cliff]

How did he die ?

[short prairie]

wrong cobalt jewel my guy

[short prairie]

he didnt, harvest aug rip

[native abyss]

[compact bronze]

Ill check it out

[prime needle]

unlucky

but kinda lucky at same time

worse than others listed with elevated + another melee dmg. list for 120div see what happens

[opaque sphinx]

?

[prime needle]

others with the important mods listed at 200div, i'm missing t1 life basically

and elder melee range

[opaque sphinx]

ur missing everything

u literally have 1 elevated mod and a random ass tier 3 on a woke base and 0 other useful mods besides an empty prefix

[prime needle]

had inc dmg while leeching ticked

which made the search look a lot better. listed at 20div discount over similar to 60div. maybe 30div spent to that point

idk how suffixes filled tho on the first reforge with suffixes cannot be changed

i'm remembering wrong

[hard cliff]

what the fuck is harvest aug rip

[short prairie]

aug life, got +6 life on ammy

[hard cliff]

That's really bad

[short prairie]

exactly

a rip

[hard cliff]

Just do it again ?

[short prairie]

hes gonna do it again yes

[hard cliff]

ok nice

keep me updated on if he dies

do all the bosses have ruin post campaign ?

What's he building

[compact bronze]

Does rarity improve boss drops?

From sanctuary?

[sour umbra]

I beat the acts and stopped. Truly an experience

[fallow escarp]

Do I go for my first level 100 or give away my entire character to a random?

[short prairie]

Ben aug life round 2

t7

oof

[livid quarry]

its good to get low rolls

mean more game to play

[cobalt blade]

did some templing :3 (i also hit 2 ele pen ones and 1 lightning pen one lol)

[livid quarry]

how much is taht worth

[cobalt blade]

220d

frees up the cb implicit on my abyss jewel tho so kinda nice

[wheat sinew]

pog

[livid quarry]

ssf so poor they split vermillion ring

[opal ingot]

What the hell. Did you use beastlocks for this?

[livid quarry]

@short prairie what do u split in ssf

[short prairie]

my personality

[drowsy eagle]

what do you split in ruthless

[short prairie]

My steel

[fallen stirrup]

how much health does the eater of worlds have? is 2.5mill dps enough to kill him ok?

[short prairie]

yes

2.5m is a lot for early eater kill

[fallen stirrup]

okay good to know ty!

[noble sleet]

Ohh wow have y’all seen this? Lmao. My dream!

[fallen stirrup]

seen what

[noble sleet]

https://youtu.be/85YWm28CioI?si=uYSOCNSSpVa_s4fq ohh thought I posted the link

[fallen stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/chriswilson-chris-wilson-danse-chris-wilson-gif-16513115470605539506

[tawdry olive]

damn this gif is new

iirc there werent any chris wilson gifs on tenor

[spice pecan]

i want to know where my alkLFG emote/gif went

[simple stag]

Is my setup ready?

[fallen stirrup]

discord moved from tenor to a new service

like a few months ago

[spice pecan]

oh maybe that's why alkLFG is gone

wtf

[fallen stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/alklfg-gif-721835464026835118

i just typed it and it came up

idk

[spice pecan]

when i click the gif button and type it in, nothing even remotely related comes up

[fallen stirrup]

very odd

[vernal ravine]

102 black baryas done, it's a little proft if i sell as-is but we're gonna identify these bad boys

[opaque sphinx]

rip you

[vernal ravine]

102 Black Baryas (770c ea) | 78,540c (~236 Div)

50 Screams of the Desiccated (1670c ea) | 83,500c (~250d)
43 Broken Elegy (1c ea) | 43c
8 Sands of Time (5c ea) | 40c
8 Transfusion Support (2c ea) | 16c
1 Grasping Astrolabe (261c) | 261c
102 Empowered T16s (55c ea) | 5610c (~16d)

Total: 89470c (268d)

[bleak quiver]

cool cool, money

now the good stuff, any cool belts?

[fallen stirrup]

did you get any cool shrines

im exile just dropped a crazy belt

[dark kite]

ah the ele hit slayer belt

[fallen stirrup]

thats what im playing rn ive been tryna farm belts all day but only got 2 so far 😭

[dark kite]

thinking i might fuck with farming breach hives

[opaque sphinx]

+4d ez

[dark kite]

what

[opaque sphinx]

29 qual with bad fracture = 1d

29 qual with no fracture = 5d

[dark kite]

ohhh i didnt realize it was a base flip

i thought you were just proud of making bad boots

[opaque sphinx]

[livid quarry]

good tech

[tranquil umbra]

what was the full juice breach setup again

[vernal ravine]

12 Skeletal (15c) | 180c
8 Freezing (15c) | 120c
7 Replenishing (15c) | 105c
6 Shocking (15c) | 90c
5 Brutal (15c) | 75c
3 Massive (20c) | 60c
3 Impenetrable (15c) | 45c
1 Gloom (20c) | 20c
1 Resonating (20c) | 20c

Total: 715c

1 Massive + Freezing (200c)
1 Massive + Shocking (100c)
1 Brutal + Impenetrable (30c)
1 Freezing + Impenetrable (20c)

Total: 350c
Grand Total: 1065c (~3 Div)
Belt Loss: ~247Div

[livid quarry]

[spice pecan]

amazing

[half stream]

rip

[zealous flax]

XD

[tranquil umbra]

the worst gamba in the game I swear

[bleak quiver]

o7

[vernal ravine]

voices might be worse but this one is pretty bad

[fallen stirrup]

Brah 😭

This does not give me hope I have to farm Ts in ssf

[hard cliff]

At least belts contribute to the community

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Rain_of_Arrows_of_Saturation

this sounds insanely powerful

[opaque sphinx]

bruh i spent 2d rolling red lifeforce trying to hit t1 life+t1 %es

[spice pecan]

i think this is mostly used with MFA setups to proc other stuff

[opaque sphinx]

and what actually hit it? fuckin chaos orb i got mad and threw at it

[spice pecan]

used it on bleed bow just to proc bleeds before popping everything

[tranquil umbra]

[hard cliff]

rip

[full kraken]

okay so I realized I have a cheap option to throw double corrupts at to chase corrupted blood immunity

[opaque sphinx]

how many div for a good roll on both tho

3

[full kraken]

my medium cluster jewel rolls are actually like... 20c/e to buy em and its very common, so I can just spam those, 1/46 chance to hit it, so only an average of like 60div to get here eventually

[vernal ravine]

what are you trying to hit?

[fallen stirrup]

Resonating but im just passively farming them on the side. im ele hit slayer so i can make it work without

but it would be sick to get one

[opaque sphinx]

ez

didn't take long to clean the prefixes up

[vernal ravine]

massive is possible and that's what i used on my leaguestart ele hit slayer

[bleak quiver]

not only is massive common but making a hp stacker is surprisingly easy in ssf

globe from tree is the only non-deterministic thing, rest is all boss loot or card

[fallen stirrup]

so youre saying resonating is near imossible

[hard cliff]

only ten cold?

[fallen stirrup]

https://pobb.in/es8HIcav_ZOi im just gonna try and get to this stage of ruetoos build for now and if i get a good belt i can change it a bit

[opaque sphinx]

finished the suffixes pretty fast too

[hard cliff]

you're welcome

[opaque sphinx]

tyty

[hard cliff]

make me some mirror tier boots again next league

[livid quarry]

double elevated?

[dark kite]

holy shit bloodlines scarab is a big loot multiplier

[opaque sphinx]

sure

[dark kite]

3 raw div, a valdos and a frac in one map

[opaque sphinx]

there implicits done and they are complete

[drowsy eagle]

I played rolling magma till act 3, fear me

[opaque sphinx]

total cost 8d~

[tranquil umbra]

yeah that's like the point

I ain't touching that shit though

[opaque sphinx]

+800 life from that

from swapping ms mod to flat es mod

[livid quarry]

no ms boots

[opaque sphinx]

dont need em to 1 tap

im just tryna make biggest 1 tap i can atm

also wtf

mfw foulborn red dream isn't even worth using on a life+fire res stacker

[forest flower]

i saw this retaliation gladator build by a korean guy, are you playing something similar? cos i wanna try gearing a onetap build too lel

[opaque sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/175005585203396622/1490993630566023320/LonelyMagicTrick.mp4?ex=69dc0246&is=69dab0c6&hm=7123e78b48ba1242004581b7722c3023f04d34c3b347361907da91fe26074299&

[forest flower]

I HOWLED

BEAUTIFUL ONESHOT

[proper zephyr]

Why would anyone choose a regular gem over a vaal gem

[marble flicker]

I thought Astrolabe, simplex and focused have the same chance when you get the amulet, I'm 10/10 on astrolabe so far lol

[forest flower]

dyou have a POB i can follow LEL

[opaque sphinx]

tyty

https://pobb.in/ZxAgwfTjIYA_

[forest flower]

omg i'm so gonna try this

[opaque sphinx]

its pretty much only good for one shotting with this setup but its pretty fun

[forest flower]

i got kinda tired of watching bosses phase

[spice pecan]

sadly you still have to deal with some boss phases

[opaque sphinx]

u can prob swap out fist for eviscerate with cdr+aoe, take retal node over war of attrition, take versatile combat and drop dissolution, and get some chaos res, and u can map

[spice pecan]

sirus being the most annoying one

[forest flower]

ziggurat is obnoxious with catarina's constant phasing

idek if she can be oneshot

[short prairie]

tink?

why

[spice pecan]

lmao what

[opaque sphinx]

also a misted simplex/focused with life and multi or fire res would be a really good swap for the untouched if u can afford

[short prairie]

did i just get jebaited by neversink

[opaque sphinx]

lets u actually use ur other gem slots

[short prairie]

yes i did

[opaque sphinx]

yes

harp bad

[forest flower]

is there a particular item that you'd say is non-negotiable?

[opaque sphinx]

the absolute 3 core items are the helm, the axe, and the shield

u can use lower roll axe, 12 or 13% is fine

[short prairie]

wdf

it's not even on my filter

[opaque sphinx]

shield is cheap, can use lower volatiled helm as well

[short prairie]

why it tink

[gritty garnet]

isn't it the 6l tink

[short prairie]

yes

wait

6 link tinks??

[opaque sphinx]

diamond shrine is prob a necessity too

[short prairie]

BRUH

[spice pecan]

LMFAO

[bleak quiver]

unique 6l probably

[spice pecan]

get absolutely destroyed

[short prairie]

jebait

[opaque sphinx]

outside that the build is really up to you, just stack life and multi
enmity and fire res take ur dmg to the next level but not really needed unless oneshotting ubers

[forest flower]

how dyou deal with your negative chaos res?

[opaque sphinx]

most boss u can one shot don't do chaos

[forest flower]

or do the bosses not really do chaos damage so it doesn't matter?

[bleak quiver]

by making it positive

[gritty garnet]

you can use excommunicate on the swap thing if you're so inclined

[short prairie]

never tink

[bleak quiver]

true, excommunicate is a nice band aid

[opaque sphinx]

eater/exarch/dread/lonely/otherfucker i can't remember don't deal a ton of chaos

but yeah excommunicate is a good shout

[eager lion]

is 120k ehp more than enough for juiced maps?

[opaque sphinx]

ngl i generally dont get hit tho

[bleak quiver]

ehp dsnt generally dsnt matter much, focus more on max hits

[forest flower]

i like the idea of "hit me and you'll find out" LOL

[opaque sphinx]

monastery bell + dawnbreaker on weapon swap with sst of trarthus applies scorch + block at start of fight
then u just weapon swap back and go boom

if u dont wanna wait

[eager lion]

so many mitigations needed in poe1 that is' kinda onverwhelming, poe2 max res is enough lol

[opaque sphinx]

u can use a dif shield skill instead of sst trarthus and link excomm like asdas said

but realistically ur not gonna have the -chaos i do

[tranquil umbra]

excommunicate is very nice for thr softcore playstyle of -60% chaos res

[proper zephyr]

Whats the dofference between a vaal skill and a regular skill? What causes people to bot just the vaal version of every skill when available

[opaque sphinx]

the only reason my chaos res is so dog is because i sniped this ring for 5d and decided the discount was worth it

and its getting kalandra'd

[forest flower]

i need to look up what these uniques do lel one sec

[tranquil umbra]

some vaal skills are just strict upgrades over the regular skill but they can only be used intermittently

[bleak quiver]

vaal skill is a additional skill that needs soul to be used(aka kill shit), its also one of the results of corrupting gems, sometimes people want other corruption outcomes for better dmg or some other stuff, they generally a side grade of sorts or a ultimate per se

[tranquil umbra]

however if you have the vaal gem you can still use the regular skill

so it's basically a button you click when you need to blow someone up or tank a massive hit etc.

[blazing spear]

on the subject of vaal skills, I will play vls spam

[gritty garnet]

why are you running war of attrition on something designed to 1-shot anyway

boss phases?

[proper zephyr]

So I can either choose between an ultimate skill I can occasionally use or a level 21 gem?

[blazing spear]

yea

[opaque sphinx]

apostate gives u life instead of ES from gear, HUGE amounts of flat life
grey wind gives u flat fire based on ur max life
rathpith gives u spell dmg based on ur max life
foulborn ylfeban makes ur spell damage into atk dmg at 200%+ ratio
combo gives u massive flat damage and massive increased damage
diamond shrine belt gives u guaranteed crits so u can stack multi and not worry about crit chance
enmity gives u up to 200 fire pen based on ur fire res, MASSIVE damage

[forest flower]

oh that's so cool, so excom makes the boss unable to do chaos damage eh

[tranquil umbra]

not all skills have vaal versions but yes

[opaque sphinx]

not much else to do with the pts tbh

[proper zephyr]

Is vaal lightning strike worth it

[gritty garnet]

8% life left side of nameless

[bleak quiver]

vaal LS is fine

[opaque sphinx]

i had the retal node but no point in it for one shots

oh

hmm

[gritty garnet]

then top +3 block since you're not actually capped

[eager lion]

un sure why this is destroying me, i don't see any high damage modifiers except the pen

[proper zephyr]

Does the LS multihit still work

[forest flower]

are you overcapped on res?

[opaque sphinx]

dont need to be capped cuz of monastery but yeah thats a good shout

[eager lion]

yeah 98% max

[opaque sphinx]

the ring needs u to be overcapped like 350 fire res

[eager lion]

87% max

[opaque sphinx]

oh u mean him

[forest flower]

both actually HEH

[forest flower]

from your experience is there a breakpoint where i can already start oneshotting ubers?

[opaque sphinx]

i needed enmity to do it

[forest flower]

the enmity divine staff?

[opaque sphinx]

the ring

[forest flower]

OOOH

so this is a phys + fire build, that scales off HP if i understand correctly?

[opaque sphinx]

99% fire

but yeah scales off hp

[forest flower]

N I C E

thank you sir

[opaque sphinx]

npnp

[steel light]

this is what happens when u watch too many poe farming videos

[zealous flax]

REEEEEEE RMT!!!

[tranquil umbra]

LMAO

[zealous flax]

report the link

XD

[final owl]

wwhats the deal with abysses not leading to abyssal depths when using abyss scarab of descending

[zealous flax]

cause ggg took abyss around the back

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-the-flowers-twd-carl-sad-gif-13413320

[steady otter]

Ahhhhh, this happened to me when I was watching a few strats back in 3.27

[tranquil umbra]

do you have multiple abysses

[steady otter]

Somehow it stopped after like a week

[tranquil umbra]

I think there is a hardcoded 1 abyssal depths limit or smth

[bleak quiver]

damn, just did one for fun to see how fast it was...

[zealous flax]

ggs!

[final owl]

sure ofc, i am clearing them all

[tranquil umbra]

also like descending doesn't say

[bleak quiver]

uh

[tranquil umbra]

"all abysses lead to depths"

[zealous flax]

volitile it

oh

omg

thats perfect

wtf

[tranquil umbra]

it says "adds a depths"

[bleak quiver]

ye

[opaque sphinx]

volatile it anyway

[zealous flax]

whats that value?

naw

normal corrupt that

Double corrupt it surely

[tranquil umbra]

temple corrupt that

[zealous flax]

yea

[bleak quiver]

35div

[tranquil umbra]

then volatile it

[opaque sphinx]

like 19d

[zealous flax]

oooooh

gotta double corrupt it

[opaque sphinx]

oh i didnt look the fire roll too

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-me-gif-5756383963608679986

trust

[tranquil umbra]

just sell it if you don't want to gamba

[bleak quiver]

eh, i dont need money

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[final owl]

am aware. map says it contains an abyssal depths. just.. didn't. anyway all g this map did.

[tranquil umbra]

oh it just didn't at all

lmao

[final owl]

I mean i guess there is a slim possibility there was another abyss that did hiding in a corner of fog somewhere

[opal ingot]

lmao

[zealous flax]

Oof mirror bow

for whaty

1 div

shoulda given it to me

[opal ingot]

the worst i did was selling a 1 div jewel for 1c

poor guy

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/jaiden-animations-jaiden-happy-happy-dance-dance-gif-9212878915375225434

i woulda sold it and gambled the profits

[final owl]

who doesn't carefully check what currency they're selecting if they're selling something for a mirror. smh my head

[zealous flax]

no hes trying to sell it for 1 div

[opal ingot]

if i sell anything over 5d i triple check my listing

[final owl]

really wanted that exciting feeling of gifting a bot a jackpot?

[zealous flax]

i mean its called quitting and being nice

XD

[bleak quiver]

i almost listed 2 magebloods for 150c the other day

now i also threat the window like a bomb defusal, never again

[zealous flax]

i voltied like 10 mbs

and they almost all poofed

1 was like 2

[opaque sphinx]

[zealous flax]

yea lifestacking gg apostates are expensive

[final owl]

bargain at twice the price i'm sure

[zealous flax]

i mean those implicants are the bis

[opaque sphinx]

nu uh

[zealous flax]

without its probally like 10div

[opaque sphinx]

just for fist

[tranquil umbra]

man Delve really prints huh

[final owl]

ok i have to kill 2 more of these boss dorks. who is easiest to do. Izaro, vox twins, or expedition bosses

[zealous flax]

Lord bless steve

[tranquil umbra]

exped and izaro

because for vox you need to do heist 🤮 🤮

[final owl]

yeah ok thats not happening

is there an abyss equiv scarab for expedition or do i just have to cross my fingers

[tranquil umbra]

logbooks can have an implicit

that guarantees a boss

just search for that

[zealous flax]

20 div ones

[final owl]

that sounds like minimal faff. what am i searching

haha i don't have the cash for 20d boss invites currently 😛

[zealous flax]

you just keep going through 1c ones

till you see boss icon

[tranquil umbra]

isn't that just for olroth

[zealous flax]

nope

[tranquil umbra]

bruh

exped is free money

wtf

[zealous flax]

yea

most things are good this leuage

[final owl]

cycling 1c logbooks it is then ig

[bleak quiver]

people just decided that they wont play anything besides breach, so everything is expensive

[restive nova]

anyone know to fix this? after captcha its showing like this

[tranquil umbra]

I still don't get why anyone would pay 20d for an exped boss when you can just cycle

it takes like 15 seconds

[opaque sphinx]

damn bruh

[bleak quiver]

i was about to mention

[opaque sphinx]

oh wait thats only 1.5d

[bleak quiver]

look at temples

you can shit them out and they are that expensive too

[tranquil umbra]

temples are always expensive

[bleak quiver]

late league yes, but they were already that price at the start, and are probably going to rise more

[tranquil umbra]

and get more expensive as league goes on because people stop farming alva

because incursion is only really excellent when you don't have full atlas completion

[bleak quiver]

same for veiled currency

exalts are always rare, but chaos are expensive even when you can easily make them really fast

specially with the new scarab, that shit is great

[opal ingot]

wild

[tranquil umbra]

fucked up valdo

[opal ingot]

wow

fogs dropped from 400c to 200c

[opaque sphinx]

gl bowl first

[dense rock]

are there any uniques or other ways other than those random as gloves that give you the "leech effects not removed when full on life" effect?

[bleak quiver]

there is a even better way than fucking your gloves

use petrified blood

[zealous flax]

loll

[bleak quiver]

it dsnt let your health go above low, so leech cant be removed for filling your life, + its goated anyway, dont waste your gloves

[opal ingot]

gl

[cosmic reef]

you never want QUALITY DOES NOT INCREASE on apostate

it makes all the quality on all of your ES gear do nothing

because all your gear technically become 'apostate'

[opaque sphinx]

no it doesnt

i equip that one over mine with no enchant right now and gain 1k life

[cobalt blade]

its entirely a local mod and apostate just converts the es on each item to life

[bleak quiver]

how tf did you even come up with that

[copper vale]

because bread taste better than key

[opaque sphinx]

do u see my life go up or down

cuz on my screen it goes up

[bleak quiver]

omg

thats cuz you added life tag to your armor

[copper vale]

i dont actually

[zealous flax]

justin is a ragebaiter

[opaque sphinx]

...what?

[bleak quiver]

he put the max life quality

that adds a life tag

[opaque sphinx]

oh

[cobalt blade]

yep

[opaque sphinx]

i thought u meant me

lol

[copper vale]

yes u

noob

[opaque sphinx]

i dont have life qual

[cosmic reef]

have fun deleting your life

[opaque sphinx]

???

[cobalt blade]

dude just enchant for str

and compare it

[zealous flax]

lmafo

[copper vale]

ive been waiting long for this

[opaque sphinx]

bro i literally just showed u that it works

[copper vale]

wanna help?

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-how-long-waiting-for-this-channing-tatum-gambit-deadpool3-gif-6843989149509159972

[copper vale]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-gif-27666108

[zealous flax]

justin fr

[opaque sphinx]

u qualitied urs for life
this gave it a life tag
u have the mastery "15% max life if body has no life tags"
u disabled this mastery

https://tenor.com/view/khaled-dj-khaled-you-played-yourself-gif-10056063372516474517

[zealous flax]

OMG HAHAHA

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-dying-laughing-donnell-rawlings-gif-14803903

[cosmic reef]

look at my life it goes from 12,500 to 12,000

[zealous flax]

thats so funny

[cobalt blade]

because you lost 15% inc

[opaque sphinx]

READ

THE

WORDS

I

TYPED

[bleak quiver]

in case you are not trolling and for others stumbling into this, apostate has no life tag, so the "no max life on body" mastery works with it normally, adding the quality for max life from harvest adds a life tag, thats why you lost hp

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-dying-laughing-donnell-rawlings-gif-14803903

this is golden

[cobalt blade]

you have to enchant str

or one of the others

just not life tagged one

[hard cliff]

what is Ben playing in Mirage gauntlet

[onyx adder]

Earthshatter

[zealous flax]

Shocker

[onyx adder]

I think he said he was gonna switch for bossing?

[hard cliff]

that's awesome

[onyx adder]

But right now earthshatter, he's live on twitch its not hard to go look

[opaque sphinx]

[zealous flax]

peak

[opaque sphinx]

white sockets

[onyx adder]

Could be worse

It could have life quality

[opaque sphinx]

[hard cliff]

it's controversial

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-laugh-laughing-funny-gif-13237345185031310090

[cobalt blade]

+108 res

[opaque sphinx]

nah thats where all my links actually are

hey i mean its a slight upgrade over my normal one

[cobalt blade]

eh who needs a main skill

[opaque sphinx]

ngl im pretty sure i could one shot eater on a one link atm

[cosmic reef]

💪 all white sockets

[zealous flax]

yet you bricked it with the enchant

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-dying-laughing-donnell-rawlings-gif-14803903

-15% max life

[small steeple]

Just watched a streamer crafted a mirror boot with 58 locks. How do people farm that insane amount so quickly?

[cosmic reef]

nah this gives me +1 life per quality, and I have 20 quality

[zealous flax]

per 2% qual

so 10% life

you lost -5% life

[spice pecan]

justin is a baiter, dont give him attention

[opaque sphinx]

no

10 flat life

[zealous flax]

om,g

[hoary scarab]

its flat

yea

[zealous flax]

AHAHAHHA

BRO

[spice pecan]

all that guy does is come in here and ragebait

[zealous flax]

yea

its gotta be ragebait

[spice pecan]

i mean it is

you can look at his post history

[zealous flax]

pretty fun

[spice pecan]

its just terrible ragebait

[zealous flax]

tho

[copper vale]

still better than 15% life and 1 sklill point🗣️

[livid quarry]

isnt the gain max life a life mod

[bleak quiver]

the apostate one no, the enchant yes

[cobalt blade]

you still spend the point

because you need that for apostate

[opaque sphinx]

bruh what excuse me

[cobalt blade]

[opaque sphinx]

literally only 1?

[zealous flax]

lol

[cobalt blade]

search psuedo fire

thats not including implicit or ele res

so that rings not even 107 fire from -20

[cobalt blade]

lol

[short prairie]

useless

[hoary scarab]

thats only 87 fire res too

[opaque sphinx]

am i stupid?

[hoary scarab]

yes

[hard cliff]

we still love you son

[cobalt blade]

i think 280 is just max roll for non heist rings and people are using heist rings

for reflect

or close to max roll

[opaque sphinx]

yeah but like

[bleak quiver]

they actually dont exist

[opaque sphinx]

why does explicit fire res work with 280

but pseudo doesn't

when pseudo should include explicits?

[hoary scarab]

cause that ring didnt have 100 pseudo fire res

[cobalt blade]

pseudo includes the -20

[bleak quiver]

cuz the fire was just counting the explicit

it had -20 all, so it was actually 80, which the pseudo accounts for

[cobalt blade]

from -20 all res

[opaque sphinx]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[cobalt blade]

but it also includes the +20 from a +20 all res

[opaque sphinx]

i didnt even notice that

[cobalt blade]

or implicit +30 fire

[opaque sphinx]

FUCK

[cobalt blade]

kek

[opaque sphinx]

actually that 2nd one not bad

[dark kite]

for running full juice breach, it's 2x instability 2x lineage 1x bloodlines right?

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats fine for boss 1 shotting

[opaque sphinx]

wait reduced rarity affect flesh and flame drops maybe

[cobalt blade]

no

only affected by area quant

[opaque sphinx]

hm ok

[cobalt blade]

iirc not even player quant affected in back when that was a thing

[opaque sphinx]

[cobalt blade]

-6 fire res D:

[opaque sphinx]

yeah would need more tattoo

honestly thats not even worth atm

[visual stream]

hmm anyone here try farm unstable breach before usually how much blood u get from 1 breach ?

i barely got 600 sometimes

[opaque sphinx]

+1 socket apostate is 23d and is 50m avg hit

[cobalt blade]

also i think its meant to run wisp

like 2x insta 1x bloodlines 1x wisp then either 1x resonant 1x lineage 1x risk depending on build capabilities

[opaque sphinx]

[bleak quiver]

its the build of the league after all

[opaque sphinx]

since when

oh its cuz of the fucking AG isn't it

[cobalt blade]

minion pact life stack bv

on chieftain

would run that

[opaque sphinx]

oh godamnit

[cobalt blade]

[opaque sphinx]

delete all minions

[final owl]

hell yeah i would use that ammy 😛

[copper vale]

marylyn amulet still better

330% CRIT MULTI SHEESH

[bleak quiver]

ag cant use the ring

its bv and good old life stacking and hitting with a stick

[opaque sphinx]

[opaque sphinx]

not for me

[modest sparrow]

3 casts per sometimes

Whats this ammy for actually? some diamond belt shenanigans?

[bleak quiver]

eblade

[modest sparrow]

I see

[opaque sphinx]

no lifestack oneshotter

i dont use cast speed

[bleak quiver]

he's probably asking for what the amulet was originally for before the fail mist

which is for shit like this
https://pobb.in/CCB9bo8vzmKX

[cosmic reef]

lifestack autobomber also doesnt use cast speed

[opaque sphinx]

ah

[cosmic reef]

cause its always triggering 6.04 times per second no matter what

[opaque sphinx]

damn bruh even with 200 fire pen, flammability, and scorch, and only 600 multi
ele pen tinc beats crit multi tinc

[vernal ravine]

Example Gift of the Goddess Run

1 Key: 3.2div (1100c)
6 Blue 20/20 gems x 25c = 150c

---

Carrion Golem of Scavenging: 200c
Summon Skeleton of Mages: 150c
Arc of Oscillating: 300c
Essence Drain of Desperation: 90c
Shock Nova of Procession: 2.1d (700c)
Kinetic Blast of Clustering: 4.3d (1432c)
Firestorm of Pelting: 290c
Divine Ire of Holy Lightning: 50c

---

Total: 3212C (9.6D)
Investment: 1250C (3.7D)
Profit: 1962 (5.8D)

pretty decent if you can lab fast

Using my 700% ms heister

[bleak quiver]

do you have times for that?

ik it varies per day, but at least a base line run time is intresting

[opal ingot]

do you just skillfully dodge the traps? or does your heister have some insane recoup or mitigation/recovery

[blazing spear]

lab makes me spontaneously combust tho

[cobalt blade]

<@&174997701513969665> ^

[drowsy eagle]

wym he talking about brand skills 😭

[cobalt blade]

most heisters run pathfinder and master surgeon

or well lab runners

but its an identical build lol

[opaque sphinx]

oh i just found a reason some pob dmgs might be inaccurate

[cosmic sapphire]

Ty

[opaque sphinx]

if u copy a tincture into pob it gets double effect from the inc effect mod

[cobalt blade]

yuh

[blazing spear]

nope. thank you

[cobalt blade]

also happens on importing

[opaque sphinx]

whack

[drowsy eagle]

so you mean my dps is not 1m with 2 tinctures on

[cobalt blade]

yes

[opal ingot]

awww

[cobalt blade]

quality and inc effect both double dip if u dont manually make em in pob lol

[opal ingot]

my 200m dps about to drop to 100m dps

after i check this out

[opaque sphinx]

yeah i only realized cuz i was testing multi vs penn
but with a 50 multi tinc imported into pob it was giving me 81 multi

so i was like wtf

[cobalt blade]

yknow this explains that one clip from a week or 2 ago

where u were wondering about eater 1 shot

[opaque sphinx]

yeah it honestly might lmao

especially cuz i was using the runegraft for even more inc tinc effect

[cobalt blade]

idt runegraft double dips since global effect not local tincture

and the bots back @cosmic sapphire :c

[spice pecan]

<@&174997701513969665>

[blazing spear]

do you mean the other brands?

[cobalt blade]

iguess it would like 1.5x dip ish from the others being double dipped but still

[opaque sphinx]

yeh

-45m avg hit

[blazing spear]

Also, what ammy should I run for my vls spammer?

[zealous flax]

is that monika?

[blazing spear]

I will run vaal temptation and reduced dura like a maniac

[blazing spear]

mizuki

[cobalt blade]

what kind of setup is it

[opaque sphinx]

marylene, yoke, zerphi

[zealous flax]

she looks like monika from ddlc

[opal ingot]

ignoring the socket cost, do you think dash with second wind can compete with other instant dash skills

[cobalt blade]

no

[opaque sphinx]

nope

[cobalt blade]

because you lose always attack without moving

[blazing spear]

My idea is to run a setup with divine flesh and purity of ice, hateforge and vaal temptation

[opaque sphinx]

frostblink is the only dash skill

everything else interrupts ur shit

[rough field]

Frostblink cdr support yus

[cobalt blade]

If using the "Attack in Place" option, the direction is reversed

[blazing spear]

with doryani and squire

[cobalt blade]

dash has that funny line of text

[opal ingot]

reading the gem, it does say you go in reverse if you activate attack in place, so you're gonna see moving before dashing XD

[cobalt blade]

hmm ic

[cobalt blade]

ye which automaticall makes it worse

[opal ingot]

what was this standard build cooking

[blazing spear]

Squire is forced because of insane socket pressure

[opal ingot]

well it has inf ehp and max hit so probably just used for movement or something, idk

[cobalt blade]

prolly just to confuse people

it is a standard build

[blazing spear]

The vaal temptation debuff is so brutal

[cobalt blade]

if its slayer u could try making tainted pact work

to offset the debuff

[opaque sphinx]

i mean if its just for standard mobility like heist or some shit its prob fine

if ur not atking u dont care that it interrupts ur atks

[blazing spear]

golden rule and tainted pact

jeez

[cobalt blade]

prolly workable to offset it

[blazing spear]

I am forced to go pneumatic dagger

I also have an idea: RF

[cobalt blade]

annihilations approach too

[blazing spear]

hmm, yea!

idk if it's enough to offset vaal temptation

[cobalt blade]

tbh idk ei ther and also havent seen a build offset it in a way that looks good so far lol

outside of just running it for like vaal disc with recharge rate suffixes everywhere

never for perma vls

[dark kite]

lowkey addicted to bloodlines scarab lads

[opaque sphinx]

doppel and endu charges

[modest sparrow]

How good is it

[blazing spear]

I really want to run it

My idea is to reduce its duration as much as possible

Also, what viable boots option do we have?

[cobalt blade]

would genuienly lean towards annihilation

it is pdr from adrenaline

[dark kite]

ive dropped at least 2 raw div and a couple div-equivalent every map so far

(small sample size, though, like 4 maps)

[cobalt blade]

pdr probably offsets the dot once your at 5 or 6 stacks etc

which admitedly idk how much your actually gonna get

[modest sparrow]

Isn't bloodlines like 3 div each?

[dark kite]

2 div

ive profited every map so far

plus you get tons of gumball currency

[opaque sphinx]

honestly a loop with recoup prob smth to consider

[final owl]

I dropped bloodlines pretty quick from any strat that used it as it didn't feel consistant enough to me

[cobalt blade]

nine lives vls elementalist

[opaque sphinx]

[cobalt blade]

but uh i think it would be too much investment to reduce skele dura tbh

isnt it like 4-6 jewel sockets lol

[modest sparrow]

Im glad its working for you, as long as the tinks keep coming (I almost said twinks)

[vernal ravine]

If you have phasing and move speed you can just run through everything, just like oldskool lab runners who would do the helmet services

Each run is 2-3mins

Gift of the Goddess Run

1 Key: 3.2div (1100c)
6 Blue 20/20 gems x 25c = 150c

---

Incinerate of venting: 120c
Ball Lightning of orbiting: 200c
Cyclone of Tumult: 1550C (4.6d)
Cyclone of Tumult: 1550C (4.6d)
Ice Nova of Frostbolts: 200c
Shock Nova of Procession: 700c (2.1d)
Arc of Oscillating: 300c

---

Total: 4620c (13.8d)
Investment: 1250C (3.7d)
Profit: 3370c (10.1d)
Run Time: 3 mins

[dark kite]

god. enchant services. what a throwback

do NOT miss helm enchants

[opal ingot]

wait. huh!?

phasing runs through traps!?

even spikes!?

[visual stream]

a player still running labs for profit

kudos to u sir

or should i said grandpa

[opal ingot]

tbf it was cash money for some time in this league

due to demands for gems

cuz imbue

idk if it's still the go to

[vernal ravine]

Yep, gameplay looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsNp762YVqM

You just run through everything

[opal ingot]

202d per hour

[opal ingot]

thanks

[visual stream]

u should se the proffit back in the days with gear enchant

1 good one could go for 100dv

[vernal ravine]

was the most divs per hour doing helmet services

[visual stream]

yah

[opal ingot]

im a 3.23 tourist so

speaking of helm enchants, imagine just giving 2 proj to TS

christ

i hope there are still helms like this on standard

[dark kite]

i think i might still have one of thise in standard

the enchant, i mean, not the whole thing

is that some sentinel recomb shit

[opal ingot]

i uhh

i have no idea

[visual stream]

elemental hit slayer or ground slam slayer in clearing breach and not too bad at bossing guys ?

my lacerate of butchering dude to squishy for my liking

[opal ingot]

idunno if this is a smart idea to buy this for a standard build im planning. there's only one on standard and it's 8 mirrors

fuck it. we ball

or uh idk

[dark kite]

oh i actually do have a +2 tirnado shot helm in standard lmao

[opal ingot]

eh pointless minmaxing, ill just buy a 2 mod

[spice pecan]

do you actually intend to play standard

[opal ingot]

kinda? just accumulate all my leagues progress until i can make a "demigod"

[visual stream]

its standar so just do anything u like tbh

[full kraken]

I feel like itd be nice if ggg added a "buncha gold" node to delve tbh

[spice pecan]

mirrors in std are 1.7k div rn sadge

[proper zephyr]

If I can have two tinctures active at once can they both be prismatic

[spice pecan]

i'd like to make an std armor stacker someday

[full kraken]

just like, a delve node that shits out like 100k gold or something

[opal ingot]

true but im planning on using my mirage currency for this

[visual stream]

that what u get for delving

[opal ingot]

i might never see something like this again

in future leagues

[cobalt blade]

in standard youd want legacy clarity mana as es

goes to a much higher value

[opal ingot]

oh fuck

you saved my life

[cobalt blade]

youd prob be able to get them on non instant buyout tho idk how many people actually touch that on standard

[opal ingot]

they get whispered, they pricecheck their item, they relist for highier

thats the best case scenario

[cobalt blade]

i more mean the ppl using async are prob giga overpricing

lol

[full kraken]

we hopefully will be seeing the last of the acts done for poe2 soon and ggg will be putting way more focus on actually fleshing out the endgame experience and classes, at which point I think more and more effort will be pulled from poe1

[visual stream]

economy in standar weird so its is what it is

[opal ingot]

i bought a legacy fb choir of the storm on async 🥹

i thikn i should've tried whispering a bunch of dudes first

[full kraken]

beyond the like, bare min poe1 already gets, what with us just not getting content fixes past like... week 1 of a league -.-;

[opal ingot]

guess price

[visual stream]

just deleted poe2 at this points

[cobalt blade]

3 mirrors

[visual stream]

like no one ask for it

[full kraken]

I mean, if they totally reworked some key parts of it, it has potential to be a good game...

[opal ingot]

close, but its 1

[full kraken]

but theres some critical core choices made in poe2 that make it impossible to make a good game on top of, and itd require a fundamental pivot to their approach to design of the game

[visual stream]

[full kraken]

namely: the entire way theyve architected the skill tree, skills, and weapons all being tightly coupled together makes it impossible to make a good game on top of that

[opal ingot]

so i could save 0.1 mirror

[final owl]

people really do struggle to separate "things i like" from "things that are somehow objectively good"

[full kraken]

I dunno if they would do it, theyd have to deeply admit a lot of core principles of poe2 were actively super bad ideas

[visual stream]

hey we will took what people most enjoy from poe1 and make a worst version of it to poe2 and u gonna like it

yeah sure

[opal ingot]

holy

[visual stream]

[full kraken]

its not about me liking it or not in this case, I actually enjoy playing poe2

But, the way the skill tree, skills, and weapons are so tightly coupled together atm is just objectively bad for the health of the game and build diversity (or lack thereof)

[visual stream]

also why remove life increased from passive tree

that the dumbest move

[final owl]

I don't really want to argue it. I don't actually care about PoE2. I mean. It's fine. It's a game that is different.

[visual stream]

its doesnt give anything removing it

[final owl]

the only thing I do know for sure is, if GGG let all the armchair game development experts make decisions for them, PoE2 would be 6000x worse.

[visual stream]

dont giving solutions to getting more life harder than getting es => nerf es next league

[full kraken]

specifically, its the way ggg has tightly couples skills+weapon loadouts to a specific charge type of power/end/frenzy that I think is unhealthy for diversity

you effectively tightly strap up "oh you wanna play <build>? You must by on <side of tree> then because you NEED <charge type> and the nodes for it are over there"

[visual stream]

like bro

[tranquil sedge]

a more real scenario is it'd just become poe1 with better graphics

[final owl]

I think it would end up worse than poe1 tbh.

[full kraken]

like you simply cant nicely make say... quarterstaff builds work on left side of tree, because you /need/ power charges to function and the power charge nodes are way over on the very far right side of tree, you are fucked

[tranquil sedge]

because that is where all of their design choices have led them to, they started with this 'totally different' game, which did feel different to play, but patch by patch its just becoming a better lookin poe1

[opal ingot]

ok so triple watchers eye mirage is slightly more dps than a single mod legacy watcher (18%) like 9% more dps, but a 2 mod legacy watcher is like 0.01% better

[tranquil sedge]

so yea they need to really figure out tf they want with that game

its also somehow got even worse crafting than this game

more complicated and more expensive

i dont even get how they managed that

[final owl]

they want a million+ people to play it and hand over cash on the regular. thats the only thing i am sure about.

[full kraken]

I think this is hopefully them learning and going "oh turns out discarding like 15 years of lessions from mistakes was a bad idea" like poe is the way it is for a reason

[tranquil sedge]

it almost certainly is

[final owl]

it's the only way GGG seems to know how to do crafting. difficulty via convoluted mechanics.

[tranquil sedge]

thats not to discourage new ideas because fuck if we had no new ideas this game would have died out 10 years ago

but like

just think for a sec before making stuff lmao

[full kraken]

however, theres some "core" stuff deeply rooted into the way poe2 is built atm that ggg would have to throw out a fuck tonne of work to fix

[tranquil sedge]

they had every opportunity to improve it but failed

omens are like just backasswards thinking at its finest

[final owl]

i think they don't actually like crafting at all

[full kraken]

like imo the entire way gems... work... specifically levelling them and picking them and etc, is super bad for game health and super awful for a new player experience

[tranquil sedge]

lets remove half the currencies to simplify things but then add twice as many omens instead to complicate it more

10/10 logic

[visual stream]

didnt they just delay the poe2 league ? they better getting sht together in that delay cause im not gonna keep play a worst version of poe 1 even tho i already paid for it

[tranquil sedge]

also even their desecration system

why are there 15 kinds of veiled items

just have like one or two that do the same thing depending on which item you apply it to

like essences

[full kraken]

but then also triple the currencies anyways and actually end up with more currencies than we started with but worse

[tranquil sedge]

its so fkin funny

[tranquil sedge]

yep

[tranquil sedge]

idk but they really need to cook

hopefully they do

[final owl]

ggg does not care about poe1 fanatics who are on the edge of stopping playing 2 for whatever reason. they have 1000 new more casual players who are loving it for every one of you.

[tranquil sedge]

if poe2 somehow becomes fun to play, thats still a win for us

[tranquil sedge]

yah as long as they're making money they don't care

this is not new, coz we see this in poe1 too

[full kraken]

they do seem to be cookin at least like, every patch for poe2 pretty substantially shifts how it works, so they are staying very like... fluid/flexible in their design, and theyre demonstrate a willingness to adapt and change, which is a good sign

[tranquil sedge]

even shit player retention leagues, as long as they sell supporter packs, they really do not give a fuck

[visual stream]

diablo 4 is a live sample

power every league

[cobalt blade]

but its more fun to get an extra 8% es

[tranquil sedge]

kalandra, expedition, maybe necro? i forget, and breach, to name a few, wouldn't have had such shit retentions if they wanted to actually improve it

but they don't

as long as they make money, they're content

[final owl]

and why would you? it's a business at the end of the day. creating timeless works of game art is a noble goal but aint nobody churning that level out for a decade+ consistantly

[opal ingot]

yeah i get like 30% more maxhit and 33% more ehp

[tranquil sedge]

nobody is saying they have a duty to deliver

[opal ingot]

i think ill go for that

[tranquil sedge]

but we can shittalk them in general

coz financially supporting ggg is a voluntary choice

[cobalt blade]

necro they improved heavily tbf

[full kraken]

I mean.. they can wanna make more money though lol

[cobalt blade]

initially remember you had to pay a chaos to itemize