1┃general

[potent bramble]

Without opening that link, I'm gonna guess that caping your resistances would be a good place to start... also get some more eHP, either by increasing max life or increasing ES pool, b/c level 90 and a sub-3k hp pool is some dangerous work

[spice pecan]

yeah i'm surprised this character even made it to level 90 with life and resistances like that tbh

[slow sonnet]

Could have invest in block

[unique silo]

My res is at 75 most of the time except for chaos. Yes my character xd

[slow sonnet]

You path near block nodes

[spice pecan]

you want 75 all the time

[oak lake]

game is down or what

[tranquil sedge]

did you help alira in act 2 for the bandit resistance buff?

[drowsy eagle]

not with flask xd

[surreal mulch]

fixing res with a flask is a very bad idea

unless you have mageblood or are pathfinder

[potent bramble]

Patch, see #poe1-news for details.

[surreal mulch]

even then you're better off using any other flask

[compact river]

game down?

[cedar walrus]

was about to say pretty much every build i use with mb has triple ele flask lmao

[oak lake]

there are builds that has perma flasks

but

[tranquil sedge]

bismuth isn't the worst idea i guess

[slow sonnet]

Oh, I see the problem, you have no res

[humble fulcrum]

no im in

[oak lake]

thats another question

[potent coyote]

Is game up soon or is there an ETA

[slow sonnet]

Got confused

[compact river]

don't logout, people can't login at the moment

[iron isle]

how can i augment dmg ? https://pobb.in/HQGx2shx6hJq

[humble fulcrum]

10ish min

[unique silo]

Alright, I wanted to work on some armour and dmg recoup. It works but some bosses just delete me xd

[potent coyote]

Ty

[tranquil sedge]

dude it got taken down for maintenance

[compact river]

but my mirror drops

[tranquil sedge]

ur making it sound like a server issue

its just maintenance

[proud bluff]

I like my 'used when it fills up' flasks - poor man's mageblood lol

[surreal mulch]

oh god AND you're running purity of elements

[humble fulcrum]

lets all play lost city 2004scape while we wait

[compact river]

it's the end of the world

[tranquil sedge]

you should look at what tides of time does lol 😛

[thorn fable]

can you get raw divs from kingsmarch shipments?

[tranquil sedge]

now that is a poor mans mageblood

[potent bramble]

Fully announced and expected, if you started a map when the announcement said "Servers going down in 5 minutes", that does seem like user error...

[tranquil sedge]

yes, but from ores, not crops

[halcyon prawn]

i couldnt find a pob with doryani's + full conversion & svalinn, on trickster, do you have any suggestions? asking incase something exists before i make my own

[tranquil sedge]

anyone who's ever dealt with people knows how people are

[potent bramble]

Good lord, Srev, how do you type so fast

[slow sonnet]

How many golems do you actually use?

[potent bramble]

I haven't even finished reading these questions and your response is already there

[tranquil sedge]

flash1:wave2:selling steel bars 600 gp ea!!!!

[proud bluff]

eeeenteresting. how much do those run for? probably can't make up the regen from the belt I have now but I'm curious

[tranquil sedge]

dirt cheap.

[spice pecan]

the annoying one is when the servers come back up, you open an uber boss, and then they take the servers down AGAIN immediately

[unique silo]

Only 10. 8 flames 1 stone 1 chaos

[surreal mulch]

what is gauntlet anyways they said pst but not an actual hour

[opaque sphinx]

i wonder if u can skip rose phase by oneshotting dread

[flint solar]

so how long did they say the realm would be down for? 15 to 30 mins right?

[slow sonnet]

Ok so you do need the dark monarch

[earnest walrus]

15

[slow sonnet]

Right it is a golemancer

[round abyss]

Today I found out : Vaal summon skeletons literally calls down entire fucking army

[tranquil sedge]

tides of time gives 25% flask effect
and since it gives 3 charges per 3 sec you can start using the alchemist prefix for 25% flask effect too on most builds

and now ur at 50% flask effect
mageblood flasks are 95% for comparison

so its half the strength, at <1% of the price

[potent bramble]

I mean that's not user error, but it's still foolish to do something high investment immediately after the servers come back online 😛

Always open with a low/zero investment map or two, while they make sure the servers came online properly after the patch

[surreal mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mirage-deadlock-valve-deadlock-hero-djinn-gif-13635956106948990787

[unique silo]

The monarch helped bumb my dps tbh

[tranquil sedge]

and dont forget it buffs ur life+mana flasks too

[flint solar]

realm is back up/

[vocal bridge]

for da djinn

[tranquil sedge]

AND it doesn't specify MAGIC utility flasks

[proud bluff]

I mean, still want a mageblood but I'll give it a go if it's cheap, why not 😄

[surreal mulch]

dps is irrelevant when your res isn't capped and you have no health

[tranquil sedge]

oh yea for sure

but for a budget belt its great

[potent bramble]

I'm sorry I got distracted by other things. @unique silo You're doing a golem-focused build and you went Occultist? Why not Elementalist?

[hard cliff]

Play a real valve game https://i.imgur.com/Xe1w2WA.jpeg

[surreal mulch]

deadlock is way more interesting than tf2

[tranquil sedge]

he's res capped with bismuth but he has to ensure uptime on it

[proud bluff]

I miss TF2 Prophunt

[slow sonnet]

Ok, you could replace the Ghastly theatre with a high block chance shield then invest in more block nodes

[unique silo]

True true 😂. I thought I could play around with some armour and dmg to life recoup

[surreal mulch]

I don't consider running purity of elements to be res capped

[tranquil sedge]

nice im back online

[tranquil sedge]

??

[hard cliff]

Just looks like dota for twitch shooter zoomers

[tranquil sedge]

that aura is literally constant uptime wdym

[hard cliff]

Hot take

[surreal mulch]

yeah but you're sacrificing potential

[drowsy eagle]

triple purity

[tranquil sedge]

thats a separate issue

[surreal mulch]

it's a cope aura unless you're doing sublime vision

[tranquil sedge]

it doesnt mean its not res uptime

[tranquil sedge]

if ur doing sublime vision u literally do not use purity of elements

[proud bluff]

opportunity cost is real, I feel that. But 90/90/90/75 is nice

[tranquil sedge]

thats when u got pof/i/l

[unique silo]

I didn't know about elementalist. I also picked occultist for the explosions xd

[hard cliff]

I hope you guys aren't still discussing my build I quit paying attention to chat

[onyx adder]

I see ppl doing way dumber things with their reservation than purity of elements on the daily

[unique silo]

This is a good strat. I'll try it out

[tranquil sedge]

there's nothing wrong with purity of elements lmfao

[slow sonnet]

Block is pretty strong

[potent bramble]

You might wanna look at respec'ing to Elementalist then, IMO occultist isn't really the play on a golem build

[tranquil sedge]

even fucking endgame builds use it its a great aura if you can work around the oppoturnity cost of a dps aura

[onyx adder]

I dont like purity as a general solution but it doesnt disqualify builds

[tranquil sedge]

all res + ailment immunity is a great fkin thing to have solved

[surreal mulch]

if you like explosions you're better off doing a chaos spell build

[tranquil sedge]

and u can get some dope watcher's eye mods to go with it

[surreal mulch]

instead of golems

[onyx adder]

Especially if u also need alt ailment immune due to the content ur running

[slow sonnet]

It is, block is strong

[hard cliff]

Is Aul's Uprising just a early mapping item or can it be endgame ?

[tranquil sedge]

yea nothing objectively wrong with using purity of elements

just have to pay attention to reduced aura effect map mod if ur relying on it for rescap

[hard cliff]

since we're discussing auras

(I am not getting one)

[surreal mulch]

id take it on blood magic

[onyx adder]

Auls can be an ok choice but amulet is very high value slot in 2026

[proud bluff]

Bleh... I had a trade filter bookmarked for this but it seems to have saved with only the handful of RF mods I wanted

[surreal mulch]

all sources of "no reservation" are great on blood magic

[hard cliff]

So true

[potent bramble]

Oh also @unique silo just in case you were unaware - the buffs from golems doesn't stack, I think you said you had like 8 flame golems? One of 'em gives you increased damage and AoE, the other 7 are just gonna be some amount of independent damage. And I guess preservation of the flame golem buff if/when the first one dies

[onyx adder]

U dont just throw it in a random build because it will usually underperform a decent rare especially on spell builds

So u need a proper use case for it

[hard cliff]

I feel like I massively overpaid for my current amulet

[tranquil sedge]

tfw every time i find a frac wall in delve i press 6 7
am i a cringe meme kid now too nooo

[surreal mulch]

I bought a 30 to all res 280 life amulet like a week into the league and still haven't found anything better to swap it with

[potent bramble]

It's not automatically a bad thing, but it is a bad if you're doing it b/c you think it's giving you the buff 8x

[onyx adder]

Ive been doing that since the meme kids were in diapers

[hard cliff]

yes

[onyx adder]

Its normal

[drowsy eagle]

it's the golems that deal damage

[unique silo]

Yea elementalist looks very capable. My golems do decent dmg with clear and stuff just struggles with bosses

[hard cliff]

I hear that at work from the zoomers

I heard someone say "truth nuke" outloud at work the other day

wtf

[proud bluff]

win some and lose some there - it cost me 14d to upgrade from the gloves I paid 40c for and they're not that much better, I just stole the first pair pretty much

[surreal mulch]

truth nova

[hard cliff]

You had to pay the troll toll

Been there

[potent bramble]

Gotcha. Yeah if you're using the golems as the DPS source then there's absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple golems of the same type. Was just making sure you were aware 🙂

[onyx adder]

That would be a fun item

[surreal mulch]

youre probably better off using a few golems as buff golems then the rest be the transfigured golems because those are better at dps

[unique silo]

10 golems. 8 flames, 1 chaos 1 stone. It was difficult to add another without compromise

[onyx adder]

50% less effect of golem buffs, golem buffs of the same type can stack

[hard cliff]

Is this the first league that discharge has been back in awhile or was it secretly good last league ?

[lean urchin]

the belts enable alot

[surreal mulch]

can't you do discharge with snads of time

[hard cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu7FAY3GWD0

I dunno I am referring to this video which I havent' fact checked at all

but I think he's legit

I'm subscribed to him he must be 😎

https://pobb.in/BlEy8WOpfMXB

[twin arch]

I was thinking about the sumerians today

And the vaal

[surreal mulch]

why is it both discharge and ward shatter

[twin arch]

And i was like

so this is the sumerian god of wind

Hes a giant who stands in the ocean and blows wind all day

[hard cliff]

Heartbound loop

New timeless jewel tech

or something

[twin arch]

Imagine if the vaal gods were that cool

[surreal mulch]

vaal don't have gods

only atziri

and I guess apep?

a bit

[twin arch]

Didnt they worship chaos

Like

[stray sedge]

wololo

[hard cliff]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Cast_on_Ward_Break_Support

Goofy

[twin arch]

Thats why theyre vaal orbs

[surreal mulch]

eeeeh... a little? I think

[twin arch]

And why trialmaster

[surreal mulch]

like it was a minor cult

[twin arch]

and stuff

[twin arch]

I can see it

[surreal mulch]

dont frogget that the beast was suppressing all gods during the entire time the vaal existed

[twin arch]

and i dont like that i can see it

[tough cove]

woololo

[unique silo]

Is explosive concoction scalable?

[twin arch]

Hes red now

[neon rivet]

Does anyone have the gauntlet race discord? I cant find the link and is expired in zizz videos

[tough cove]

kinda but its very expensive

[elfin shale]

help me budget this my family is dying

[unique silo]

Damn rip

[surreal mulch]

is this amulet or eldritch battery

[slow sonnet]

The literal cosmic force of Chaos chilled with the Vaal because he thought it was funny

[twin arch]

Ur gonna post an image of whats draining ur ES and its gonna be like this

[karmic gust]

hmm maybe a bit too short

[twin arch]

I can just tell

[karmic gust]

oops

[opaque sphinx]

can u phase skip dread?

[twin arch]

Amulet

Hmm

[short prairie]

This is the pinnacle of defense

[surreal mulch]

why the fuck are you using that amulet with archmage

[elfin shale]

thats frostmage

[surreal mulch]

oh

[short prairie]

Is this guy can add block to the mix

[surreal mulch]

same issue

[twin arch]

^

Yea

Same issue

Why

[elfin shale]

we all outta mana

[surreal mulch]

aren't you supposed to scale mana on archmage and frostmage

bruh

[twin arch]

Suspiciously frostmage shaped throat man: we outta mana

[opaque sphinx]

we can gamba more amulet now

[surreal mulch]

you don't scale mana to 7k and then reserve all of it

[elfin shale]

yeah i do

[surreal mulch]

use eternal blessing and prism guardian

[short prairie]

Mana reservation efficiency on helm

[nocturne maple]

that's a lavianga + khatal's angle

[slow sonnet]

They have a few. Arakaali was their fertility goddess, Kamasa is the monkey god of wealth and Kopec is the sun god. There's also Yaomac, the serpent god with three heads, but IDK what they do at all.

Trialman has a funny line about it

[surreal mulch]

oh right that

ok maybe frostmage is just troll af then

[hard cliff]

Lifestackers driving up the price ?

[hard cliff]

Stormbind gaming

[surreal mulch]

right but they didn't actually like manifest well right?

[hard cliff]

I haven't done any meme builds this league

[kindred lily]

is there a reason faustus doesn't/can't put currency directly into your currency tab? it's kind of cumbersome when I make large sales in chaos

[elfin shale]

the humble divine:

[opaque sphinx]

nah that was a volatiled one with bis mana and good res

[surreal mulch]

the prices are better in chaos for almost everything unfortunately

[slow sonnet]

Only Arakaali, but the rest probably hid after what we did

[elfin shale]

You can ctrl+shift click to fill your inventory with the currency

[surreal mulch]

you can't be selling shit for 5.5 divine anymore

[surreal mulch]

no I mean the beast was still alive back then

[kindred lily]

this if for when an item sells for more chaos than it's div price.

[hard cliff]

I don't kn ow what the default numbers are bro

[opaque sphinx]

48

[hard cliff]

[opaque sphinx]

and 18

[short prairie]

If you play flicker this league then you’re on a meme build

[hard cliff]

Are you using super vaal orbs to overclock it ?

[opaque sphinx]

yeh

[hard cliff]

Always

[opaque sphinx]

did u see btw

[hard cliff]

I understand it now

[opaque sphinx]

we one shot uber

[slow sonnet]

Eh the Vaal have 2 empires, seemingly, one before the Beast, which Arakaali ruled over, and the one after the Beast, where they master thaumaturgy before Atziri did her thing.

[hard cliff]

On what ???

[surreal mulch]

aww cmon you can flicker this league in really fun ways. with unholy trinity and the charge belt

[hard cliff]

I don't one shot ubers by a mile lol

[surreal mulch]

holy fuck

[opaque sphinx]

smh wrong link

[short prairie]

Not in ssf

[opaque sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254480453627674624/1491094329236914266/LonelyMagicTrick.mov?ex=69d6714f&is=69d51fcf&hm=c4b11e4e81f450d5beeefd3431b28a6433b068898b0d4b90f88b24d71d61e26b& @hard cliff

[hard cliff]

Wind Waker link or Twilight Princess prob best link

[hard cliff]

Holy shit you literally just punched him to death

[twin arch]

Dont ping pira

[opaque sphinx]

bonk

[twin arch]

Chud

[surreal mulch]

ignite flicker was always gonna be bad because flicker likes attack speed and ignite hates attack speed. unless you go volatility or some shit and even then it's like why

[hard cliff]

retaliate lol

[twin arch]

Cool build though

[hard cliff]

awesome

I liked my eviscerate glad

Would not recomend it tho

[nocturne maple]

controlled blaze flicker login

[hardy heath]

a 100c map dropping more than a 1div map earlier

[hard cliff]

People are still playing self ignite chieftan in 2026

[hardy heath]

classic

[opaque sphinx]

yeh this is only for bossing and valdos with my aurabot friend

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/uciPp1cGMCjo ok almost all issues in pob solved i think even though the gearing is getting kinda dumb there :d

[nocturne maple]

nice hit chance

[hard cliff]

Valdo Punch

[drowsy eagle]

to day I learned that support exists

[karmic gust]

i said almost :d

[hard cliff]

Isn't their a new support that consumes ignite for damage ?

[twin arch]

I wonder if Divine Retribution or Sweep of light have leaguestart potential

[karmic gust]

still cant cap wither, attributes are mostly solved with lower lvls, and well it still has no attack speed so turbo scuffed

but close enough

oh also cant use skills beceause mana sucks, details :d

[nocturne maple]

ngl, ashes solves a little bit of that

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/244am3V.jpeg

I haven't even come back in the room bro

[slow sonnet]

Ah, Uber Dread my least favorite of the three

[hard cliff]

I just killed him

First uber down 🥳

[slow sonnet]

Hell yeah

[hard cliff]

I have such a big damage range it can feel like my dps goes from 0% to 300% waiting for everything to lock in

Warcry -> curse --> bladestorm --> tincture --> Now you can attack

:|

I got tricked into playing ffxiv again

[dull walrus]

Guys how long until end of Mirage league?

[opaque sphinx]

at least 4

[slow sonnet]

6 MONTHS????

[elfin shale]

Somewhere around 3 months i think

[sour umbra]

Cast when voided when?

[spice pecan]

one of my homies streams it in discord every few days and it looks so much fun, i havent played since shb

apparently bard is like a playable class now

[dull walrus]

So it's around June, it seem.

[hard cliff]

Our bard was fine in 2nd coil

He was a bus driver irl

😎 🚌 🏹

[opaque sphinx]

and 3 poofs

[twin arch]

I play for ultimate prog for a week 6-8 kill

Nothing has been good since TOP

Dawntrail was a disappointment

[spice pecan]

i have to get the ozma mount before it gets removed

but fuck dude $15 a month is steep

especially when path of sexile exists

[opaque sphinx]

this amuses me

[spice pecan]

5.4d?

[opaque sphinx]

ye

faustus annoy the shit out of me sometimes

[spice pecan]

lmao

i hate that

[rose quail]

[twin arch]

why is my gain so low

[rose quail]

[spice pecan]

yuge

[opaque sphinx]

gl bowl and go agane

[proud bluff]

Are there loot sounds packs where I can just replace everything rather than having to reassign them one by one?
Would really prefer something more musical, like... ascending tones than
THUD THUD THUD
THUD WHIRRR
THUD WHIRRR TINK
if that makes sense.

[vocal bridge]

servers back up now?

[proud bluff]

I almost might not care but my cat goes nuts

[livid quarry]

first leag kage play longer than me

[rose quail]

Yeah, good league this time around. Going to get my ring and then see if I go for helm or not

[twin arch]

@haughty dirge

gonna give it a try

[autumn dove]

how to mass move stuff from tehe guild? ctrl right doesnt seem to work?

[opaque sphinx]

3 bricks 2 poofs

[twin arch]

@opaque sphinx whats ur oneshot crushing fist char name

friend wants to steal idea

is bored

[opaque sphinx]

MirageHasNoPuns

idk if ninja updated tho

yeh ninja still shows the arcing setup

https://pobb.in/ztYY0A38cTrt

here's the pob, i'll see if i can force update ninja

[spice pecan]

you can, go to your profile then your characters, find it and hit refresh at the top

[spice pecan]

ctrl-left to take an item out

[opaque sphinx]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/LocoCocoa-1921/mirage/character/MirageHasNoPuns

[kindred lily]

kinda wish faustus could be managed through an app. steamlink gets the job done but it's super clunky

[opaque sphinx]

there should be updated

just add a bunch of fire rres tattoo, i haven't bothered to buy them yet

keep gamba all my money on amulet

[spice pecan]

as someone who lived thru the wow era where we had mobile auction house, hell no

that shit was so fucking degenerate

[opaque sphinx]

i loved that shit

but i also only played wow for gold and farming rare transmogs

[surreal mulch]

you ever just use the trade search button as a wiki?

(half unrelated) I sometimes get annoyed that certain currency items don't show up there

like having to open an actual browser tab to price omens

and scarabs

[hardy heath]

neat map

[surreal mulch]

I got like 9 valdos this league but no key for some reason

[hardy heath]

iv had like

5

i think

something like that

[surreal mulch]

in previous leagues id drop like 3 keys at least

so idk what's up with that

[hardy heath]

i only started doing breach recently

[surreal mulch]

I mean I wouldn't OPEN it but it'd be nice to see it tink

[hardy heath]

its been like one per day

usualy

[spice pecan]

i think the one key i dropped was in campaign

[short prairie]

dont forget to file your taxes by 4/15 if youre in the US

[hardy heath]

for some reason, whenever i play with my friend and we run breaches we drop like 3x more loot

even tho the party bonus is like 100% no?

its weird af

[short prairie]

are you high

[opaque sphinx]

blaze it

[opaque sphinx]

might be

(its funny cuz my league name is "Might Be Hai")

gonna see if we can skip rose phase

[twin arch]

my maps need to start being good

this is pissing me off

[hard cliff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Yop2EhHt5XO4pp0HLhI1UtB-HkZM7f8ExpsGZqTv_rc/https/i.imgur.com/vq1XBWR.jpg?format=webp&width=2176&height=1224

Another one

[short prairie]

Hai sounds like ShangHai

[rose quail]

You are using weird rabs. For essence it's Ascent, Stability, 3x Essence and just zoom

[quasi mist]

nameless seer is kind today

[opaque sphinx]

fun fact

[rose quail]

Slot in exarch influence for invitations

[opaque sphinx]

u can skip rose phases

if u one shot dread

[twin arch]

You're supposed to use the Calcification one though

[rose quail]

Calcification is ass

[twin arch]

does travic have dementia

he is pretty old

he says its better

[short prairie]

what are your starters for tmr's gauntlet

[spice pecan]

absolution guardian

[twin arch]

not gonna play

i have a job

[short prairie]

you need block

im starting glad thats for sure

[opaque sphinx]

bruh

[spice pecan]

you have minion taunt which is rly nice, and you can path to block anyway

and guardian gets the block asc node too

[opaque sphinx]

wanted to test uber dread for a meme i aint payin 5d

[rose quail]

You are paying 16x the price for like couple extra essences. You can just go faster on regular T16 scoured

[twin arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7ckDkO18c

watch this video

[opaque sphinx]

wait can u phase skip sirus if u one shot him

[twin arch]

and make me a list of why hes wrong if u can

[opaque sphinx]

there's so much testing to do

[spice pecan]

pretty sure you cannot oneshot sirus

[opaque sphinx]

i thought that about dread

[twin arch]

why were u doing dread btw

that shit is zero divs/h

[opaque sphinx]

test if u could skip roses

[thick goblet]

this is 3.26

[twin arch]

Rilay said it was still up to date

and then he got really condescending when i started asking questions

but rilay is smart

so he gets to do that

[crisp obsidian]

surely

[opaque sphinx]

XDDDDDDDDD

[crisp obsidian]

yes kira

[surreal mulch]

why are all your clips with white girl music

[crisp obsidian]

welcome to the party

[opaque sphinx]

idk do u want disney music instead

[surreal mulch]

id prefer a vine boom

[crisp obsidian]

can always click that

[spice pecan]

i would prefer grindcore

tbh

[twin arch]

whats wrong with white girl music

do u have a problem

[surreal mulch]

its a different flavor of it

[twin arch]

ok

[crisp obsidian]

I love fighting about music

and food

[hard cliff]

What did you take ?

Current playlist
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[quasi mist]

the big shield

[drowsy eagle]

rate my gauntlet build

[surreal mulch]

I've actually never once seen that second item

[surreal mulch]

flamewood support

becomes viable

[twin arch]

drop more duration

go flamewood

good build

[spice pecan]

no multiple totems, bad

[opaque sphinx]

my youtube random mixes go hard dude

[twin arch]

what would you drop for multi

increased aoe?

[spice pecan]

almost certainlky

decoy totem already has pretty large aoe

[twin arch]

i can see it

yea

get multitotem

get flamewood

if i were to play id do bannerman but ill be busy

[surreal mulch]

the actual problem is getting a fukin empower in ssf

[twin arch]

0 investment, tons of block, tons of hp, tons of speed

bannerman is the ideal hcssf for something like this

kagenashi is back with my list

yippee

[surreal mulch]

are you referring to just champ or something more specific

[twin arch]

yeah

[opaque sphinx]

[twin arch]

champ bannerman

[opaque sphinx]

i feel like youtube gets me

[surreal mulch]

what does he do

[twin arch]

@opaque sphinx i got u

[twin arch]

the same thing he always does

move fast

[full kraken]

this is basically the ideal rolls people chase right?

[twin arch]

he doesnt do more or less than anything else

hes just a leaguestart

[sage falcon]

now all you need is a time machine

[spice pecan]

champ bannerman gets res/block/suppress cap, 300 ms, 1k life regen just by placing 2 banners that are more than a screen wide each

[hard cliff]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Orb_of_Storms_of_Squalls

Chat how do we make this a good build ?

[twin arch]

^

mythik is a KNOWER

[crisp obsidian]

No

[twin arch]

he can also walk through thin walls and doors

because hes so fast

[crisp obsidian]

Wrong iAS

[spice pecan]

and you can deal actual damage either with slams or bloodsoaked banner

[twin arch]

bloodsoaked

[hard cliff]

Youtube knows i'm gonna listen to the same synth wave mix for the 50th time

[twin arch]

sl*ms

[surreal mulch]

no I mean that's cool and all but surely they go into something else too. like uh. dom blow or some shit

[full kraken]

ah, which one do people want?

[twin arch]

bloodsoaked

[opaque sphinx]

lmfao

[crisp obsidian]

The want with attris

Afaik

[twin arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmTb40qZIZM

@opaque sphinx

[full kraken]

ahhh that one, kk

[sage falcon]

dex int is best yeah

[twin arch]

my playlist

carefully cultivated

[sage falcon]

nvm the price is exactly what it was like 2 years ago

[full kraken]

I think paradoxica is popular atm iirc

[crisp obsidian]

Elehit enjoyers

Use it

[crisp obsidian]

PoV: you have 0 game

[sage falcon]

franz ferdinand, a band so good they named an heir to the habsburg monarchy for it

[hard cliff]

I got uber fear and neglect down how is uber Dread in comparison ?

Uber fear I found a lot easier than neglect

[twin arch]

they have one song

[surreal mulch]

uber boober

[twin arch]

crazy

i have plenty game

[hard cliff]

NA NA NA NA NA NA TAKE YOU OUT

NA NA NA NA TAKE YOU OUT

NA NA NA NA NA

[twin arch]

my music taste is wonderous

[hard cliff]

TAKE YOU OUT

!!!!!!!!

[twin arch]

unblock me chud its bothering me that i cant fire react your messages

i need to fire react

[spice pecan]

wasn't franz the archduke of austria that got assassinated which triggered ww1

[twin arch]

fire reacting is my life

[twin arch]

yes

[hard cliff]

ok

[crisp obsidian]

I was crazy once but then Zana locked me into the atlas

[sage falcon]

with astral rats?

[twin arch]

a 4-quadrant atlas

with astral rats

[crisp obsidian]

Astral rats? I was frog once

[twin arch]

and astral rats make me crazy

[rose quail]

Nothing inherently wrong. However times have changed. Essences have always been about one thing: volume. How you get that volume doesn't matter.

Adaptation is just giga ass in general. It doesn't give more essences.
Calcification is better sold to noobs. You get ~16 regular scarabs for 1 calcification. That's equal to 48 imprisoned mobs. You ain't getting that.
Map sustain is no longer an issue so map price is irrelevant. Before it was actually relevant as you were trying to also aim for per-map not just total volume.
Ascent and Stability are must. You want only the good outcomes.

My tree. I do it on Beach. The strat is just grab essences, corrupt MEDS, check Mirage, go in if Barya, it hits boss room or it hits essences. Ore is just check if boss and pray for Svalinn. Otherwise ignore. Grab memory tear (couple extra C). Exarch influ for invitations.

If you want to gamble run Templar Atrolabe and pray vault has goodies but then you run it in Haunted Mansion

[twin arch]

@opaque sphinx are you swapping to Blood Barrier eventually

[surreal mulch]

how many rares does it take to vendor to get 1 chance orb anyways

[rose quail]

Haunted Mansion in general is good because it hits large amount of map in regular mirage

[twin arch]

this is my tree

[rose quail]

You use just T16 scoured.

[twin arch]

Exarch would only be to hit that one div card altar

[rose quail]

You ignore altars.

[surreal mulch]

really annoying ritual allocation

[rose quail]

Waste of time

[twin arch]

its literally just for density

Ritual guaruntees pre-spawned mobs for the map

[rose quail]

I literally don't click a single one. It's just for invitation

[surreal mulch]

you do shrines for density

[twin arch]

which is good with calcification

you do BOTH

[surreal mulch]

oh you did

[rose quail]

Well, try a random map without calcifcation and same tree but 3x Essence, 1x Adaptation, 1x Stability and see the difference on speed and what you get

Then you will get it

[opaque sphinx]

u cannot phase skip sirus and i am sad

[spice pecan]

bruh, the breach couldnt be like 2 feet to the left?? seriously?

[surreal mulch]

I should really sell my contracts they're so annoying

[thorn dove]

Is there a price checker app that's browser based instead of downloaded?

[opaque sphinx]

no 3rd ring is better

[spice pecan]

the edge of the mirage is one armpit hair away from the fucking breach ffs

[twin arch]

hmm

Interesting

i guess with axe the fire pen is big

[rose quail]

Nope. Gotta use just trade then

[thorn dove]

Bummer, thanks

[spice pecan]

i mean poeninja has prices for items that arent rare

but if you want to price check rare items yeah its either awakened poe trade or manually searching on tradesite

[rose quail]

@twin arch Ideally you also Seer something decent to Haunted Mansion. And it supports both box strat and essence rush so you can switch if you get bored

[twin arch]

ill see

[twin arch]

this is what ill do

[rose quail]

Holy fuck

No

[twin arch]

?

[rose quail]

Take regular T16 and run that

Not Mirage

[surreal mulch]

I feel like if you get bored running essence you'd get bored running box too

[twin arch]

my build can handle it

[rose quail]

Not about handling it

It's just ass. You are spending 45c on a map to get fuck all

[twin arch]

60c these days

fine, here

[rose quail]

That could be like 10 regular T16s for more loot

Ye

That's the way

[twin arch]

ill send inventory

it better be more than before

smh

[rose quail]

It won't. But it will be a lot faster and lot cheaper.

You are cutting costs by like 70+ chaos and not loosing much in profit

Essence is per h strat not per map strat

[twin arch]

id honestly rather not do essences it feels like my build isnt being properly taken advantage of

but like

i have no better idea

[surreal mulch]

feel like there are very few per map strats left

going extinct

[twin arch]

they hate the employed audience

[warped sonnet]

with nimis, can i just multiply my skill "count" with the amount of projectiles i have? I know it depends on the skill, but with molten burst the projectiles return to the enemy

[hard cliff]

Should I be doing full mirage when doing scarab strongbox fubgun strat ?

[grave kelp]

Play abomination map and you can make almost 1d every map

[surreal mulch]

isn't that the worst one

[hard cliff]

Just keep adding projectiles till your dps looks good

[twin arch]

2.5 minutes

[surreal mulch]

it drops sirus frags

[hard cliff]

what is abomination map

[twin arch]

this is what i got

[rose quail]

Idk about general strats but I do low invest zoomies every league and Essence is my bread and butter.

It costs nothing, they sell well and the occasional Barya + Mirage Map + Invitation + The rare 60 div Svalinn drop adds up

I've sold 3 Svalinns this league

[grave kelp]

sanctuary is a 1/3 for the good fragment and the other nightmares are annoying or dont give good yields

[twin arch]

this feels like it isnt even half a div

[grave kelp]

with abom its a 5050 every time

[cosmic eagle]

Roll your boxes like a true man

[twin arch]

for 2.5 minutes of time

[cosmic eagle]

[surreal mulch]

I can handle zig

[twin arch]

i wonder if Betrayal is still Juicable to high-money

[pale lintel]

CG should add a currency exchange for maps to prevent land mining

[rose quail]

Bring Vaal Orbs. You gotta Corrupt Misery/Envy/Dread/Scorn

[twin arch]

i am

i corrupted everything actually

[magic nest]

poe up now?

[opaque sphinx]

XDD

[warped sonnet]

dps looks good and i get approx 13 projectiles hit per attack, average 4 on initial hit and 9 on return. Just wondering because the damage seems a bit too good for ngamahu

[rose quail]

The map is not really great since you need to circle and more often than not Mirage is not worth it. If you want to speed up div per h you go in only on coins, seer and barya

[twin arch]

i didnt go in

[surreal mulch]

haunted mansion has really tight corridors right?

[rose quail]

Yes

[surreal mulch]

fuck

[twin arch]

yeah that would suck for shield charge

[surreal mulch]

im doing awora

they shoot

I guess it's not terrible with chain but still

[twin arch]

i wonder how profitable boss rush is

[rose quail]

The high invest one yes. But I tried it and not worth without MF. Low invest in Haunted and open only Operatives better if you have no MF

[twin arch]

what i really need is a consistantly high-output strat

that takes advantage of my build being good

[rose quail]

Essence is boss rush

[twin arch]

like

[rose quail]

What's the build?

[full kraken]

100 maps later, experiment complete

[twin arch]

not every build is gonna facetank mechanics

[pliant hamlet]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/Lil_Krika-4967/Yonko_mirage?i=0&search=items%3DSvalinn%26class%3DTrickster
wdym? It's a pretty popular build

[twin arch]

and do 1 morbillion dps

[twin arch]

Animate Guardian of Smiting

[pliant hamlet]

Svalinn doryanis trickster

[rose quail]

That sounds like a bosser ngl

[full kraken]

I wonder if Im gonna break 200 div total, I think I might

[twin arch]

it is a bosser

but bossing isnt profitable

or as profitable as essences

i heard

[hard cliff]

How do I search for full mirage maps ?

[twin arch]

stat filter

"mirage"

itll show up

[grave kelp]

Just get lucky and its profitable

[twin arch]

did somebody say get lucky

this only cost me 30 div

[sage falcon]

am i mssing something or why is a ci build using eva boots (no suppress)

[pliant hamlet]

The full conversion part is just damage taken. You can't eat lv4 lightning from grueling w/ -200 lightning res, even with 50k+ armour

[rose quail]

Yeah, like I profited a bunch on Hives. Gems are rare but decent divs, Axe is 3 div a pop and juice goes to tree gamble

[pliant hamlet]

could not tell you lol

[rose quail]

Takes long tho because phases

[twin arch]

but yeah

i could be an uber bosser or something

[pliant hamlet]

It was just the top result when I searched trickster + svalinn + doryanis

[twin arch]

i just dont know which uber im best suited for

and which one has the best margins

cuz invites are EXPENSIVE

[sage falcon]

really, really needed the dex i guess lol

[hard cliff]

THANK YOU

[rose quail]

How profitable are nightmare maps? That sounds something for you

Quick and easy

[twin arch]

probably pretty profitable

cant do Ziggurat though

thanks dissolution of the flesh

[pliant hamlet]

aren't maven frags like 200c a pop?

[twin arch]

yeah just about

no clue how to do nightmare maps though

they cost like 50c each i think

and some layouts are nightmarish

[pliant hamlet]

yeah so the maven map is around 250c avg per map

[rose quail]

You get quant, run in and kill boss

[pliant hamlet]

don't even need quant

you can run it white

same drops

[sage falcon]

just plain boss rushing the nightmares is like 20-25d or so

[twin arch]

oh yeah

i mean sure

when you say boss rushing are we talking like

maven spectate

or what

give me a tree here

[rose quail]

Wait quant no longer scales frag count?

[twin arch]

nop

[sage falcon]

more quant is sometimes +1 frag but not a lot

from what i saw

[twin arch]

^

that

its like

120% quant gives you a 10%? chance at +1 frag

[pliant hamlet]

I've been told by 4 different people I trust that quant doesn't do anything to frags

[twin arch]

so, lool

[rose quail]

Bruh

[spice pecan]

it definitely does

[pliant hamlet]

but 2nd hand

[rose quail]

Do that then

[sage falcon]

lol

[rose quail]

It's no brainer

[spice pecan]

it's like 239 quant for guaranteed 3 frags?

[twin arch]

ok im replacing the fubgooner breach tree which wasnt profitable with a nightmare tree

[spice pecan]

i posted a map which was like 3% off the guaranteed 3 frag drop last week or something and i got KEK reacted because of it

lmao

[twin arch]

any nightmare tree havers

[pliant hamlet]

@zinc stump @wheat sinew either of you around? lol

[hard cliff]

ok wish me luck i'm juicing hard af (50 chaos)

[opaque sphinx]

this will be 29/30/31 with no flame if dont drop one

[opaque sphinx]

inc mirror

[sage falcon]

for just plain boss rush?

[twin arch]

uhh

what else is there

[sage falcon]

most of the tree is irrelevant for that

[pliant hamlet]

I run mine 8-mod because I always have the 8-mod thing on lol

since that scarab is common af

[twin arch]

so just run any tree

with any scarabs

with white maps

in the Maven Nightmare Map

[sage falcon]

you can't maven nightmares

[pliant hamlet]

You can't maven nightmare maps

[twin arch]

no

in the Maven area

nightmare map

doesnt the quadrant determine fragment type

[pliant hamlet]

ah yeah

[sage falcon]

just name the map, who knows the areas they're in

[twin arch]

sec...

dumb loading screen crash again

[sage falcon]

oh i thought they were just randomly scattered around xdd

i guess that makes sense

[twin arch]

no

hold on

[hard cliff]

ohhhh baby

[spice pecan]

uber elder frags being so expensive is hilarious to me

[twin arch]

each portion of the map has one of these little stapled on areas

[spice pecan]

tbh

[twin arch]

as you know

this is mavens

[opaque sphinx]

flames arent real dude

[twin arch]

this one drops maven fragments

[opaque sphinx]

how 31 kills

none

[rose quail]

Abomination is like dumb easy

[pliant hamlet]

good 'ol indigon lol

[twin arch]

this one drops eater exarch

[opaque sphinx]

all rolled to 87 quant or better

[twin arch]

etc

[sage falcon]

i guess but it also drops sirus

[twin arch]

correct

its not arbitrary though

theres a method to it

[rose quail]

It drops the thing they are next to

[compact bronze]

how to craft this first white mod that gives att speed per quality?

[opaque sphinx]

harvest

[twin arch]

for example

this is the only place maven frags drop

so in addition to shit that ISNT on the atlas

i.e sirus

[pliant hamlet]

Why is reverent fragment worth...anything?

[sage falcon]

anyway you might want to use the pref/suffix annul scarabs

[twin arch]

this area drops Zana Memory Fragments

[eternal hill]

Does it drop anything

[rose quail]

Sirus is on the Atlas

[twin arch]

why cant i Scour

[pliant hamlet]

dread doesn't drop shit afaik

[sage falcon]

nightmare map sez no

[twin arch]

oh gg

[sage falcon]

also im pretty sure you want quant

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/pVxlmQu.jpeg

😎

[twin arch]

do i

didnt we have a discussion about this a second ago

i might be dumb

[rose quail]

Abo is connected to Sirus and Maven so it drops Sirus and Maven

[opaque sphinx]

even better

that could be 4 mirrors if u get osin

[pliant hamlet]

I run mine 8-modded, I've just been told multiple times that quant doesn't affect frags

I haven't done any testing

trust them over me

[sage falcon]

when i ran some, i used the pref/suffix annul to remove anything even slightly annoying so they were effectively white

i.e. remove more life to save time

[pliant hamlet]

Hallowed monarch, whispers of infinity, wellwater of phylactery, Golden Charlatan

[sage falcon]

charlatan is 200+d

[pliant hamlet]

the fuck

[sage falcon]

that might be why

[pliant hamlet]

why

[sage falcon]

a certain streamer is using it

[pliant hamlet]

I mean, I guess it's really strong if you don't need...damgae..oh

it's bv isn't it

[hard cliff]

I ain't id'ing it lol

[twin arch]

so then

all you do is

Run straight to the boss of abomination

and kill it

and repeat?

[sage falcon]

spark also likes it, but yeah bv + minion pact = ggs

[rose quail]

Yes

[sage falcon]

yeah that's literally it

[pliant hamlet]

what do you know, if you can get infinite divine shrine, turns out immortal + infinite dps is insane

[twin arch]

fuck these tight corridors

shield charge is giving me an aneurysm here

[pliant hamlet]

I hope they make movement skills not so shit in hallways one day. I doubt they will but..ya'know

A man can dream

[twin arch]

okay

interesting

only one fragment dropped

[pliant hamlet]

i get 1 frag drops all the time in 8-mods

[twin arch]

well thats not good when nightmare maps are 50c and the sirus fragment is 5c

[pliant hamlet]

yeah, you're gonna have dry spells

[twin arch]

back in my day

in sentinel

Expedition was the play

you wanted the Coins

and the Dice

and youd gamble at the vendors

[pliant hamlet]

I mean, last I checked iron flasks were expensive

[spice pecan]

that was before they killed gwennen tho

[twin arch]

yeah

gwennen found dead behind the 7/11

😔

[pliant hamlet]

I miss gwennen in ssf 🙁

i hope we get a way to target farm uniques again one day

[ebon tendon]

nuh uh, you have genesis tree for that now.

[twin arch]

5 nightmare maps no maven fragment

[pliant hamlet]

wake me up when it sucks less lol

[spice pecan]

i miss actual div card farming

[twin arch]

so im already at a deficit even if i drop one now

what the hell

what am i missing

[pliant hamlet]

Are you always getting 1-2 fragments?

[twin arch]

yeah

just one

[pliant hamlet]

always 1?

yeah I wouldn't run them white anymore lol

[zealous flax]

GoOOOD morning night city

[pliant hamlet]

Mernen zoey

[sage falcon]

you might be the first person to go negative boss rushing

in all of recorded history

[zealous flax]

[spice pecan]

t17 boss rush is like free money

[zealous flax]

Boss rush is very free

[twin arch]

are nightmares t17

[rose quail]

Brother just do like 20+ maps first

[twin arch]

because im going negative rn

[spice pecan]

yes

[zealous flax]

How

[spice pecan]

but i say t17 cuz its less keystrokes than nightmare

[zealous flax]

your guanteed profit

[twin arch]

i ran 5 maps with only sirus fragments

[spice pecan]

and everyone knows what i mean anyway

[twin arch]

so

thats 5 * 5 c

thats 25c

[nocturne maple]

just run zigg if you feel discouraged about not getting profits per map for boss rushing

[twin arch]

maps are 50c each

[zealous flax]

What map you do

[twin arch]

cant do zigg

Dissolution

[zealous flax]

do fortress

[twin arch]

dissolution cant do zigg

[spice pecan]

brother just run whichever layout has like, not sirus/not cortex frags

[pliant hamlet]

I can't believe nightmare maps are 50c

[spice pecan]

and you profit

[pliant hamlet]

that's so absurd lol

[twin arch]

abomination

[spice pecan]

stop mapping with disso

[zealous flax]

yea

[spice pecan]

please for the love of god

[zealous flax]

main issue

[twin arch]

its

[zealous flax]

do fortress

[twin arch]

literally 7x dps

[nocturne maple]

I did zigg fine with agos

[spice pecan]

who cares

[twin arch]

with disso?

[pliant hamlet]

disso should be 30% more dps at most

[twin arch]

howd you handle standing in her puddle

[spice pecan]

you dont need jack shit for damage

[nocturne maple]

ye

[zealous flax]

dislution fake

fake dmg and fake defenses

[spice pecan]

i am begging you to refrain from mapping with dissolution of the flesh equipped to your path of exile character.

[nocturne maple]

I killed the guy before he made the laser arena

[sage falcon]

as lord jungle ryan once said, he'd rather play a 10d build without dissolution than a 100d build with dissolution

[pliant hamlet]

lol do you want me to map with 1 hp and no defensive layers?

[zealous flax]

My ward stacker i could just plant my ass and play zzz till the boss didead

[sage falcon]

... or something along those lines, i don't remember exactly

[spice pecan]

literal build issue

[twin arch]

dissolution rules though

[pliant hamlet]

Disso's fine?

[spice pecan]

disso is not a real item outside of bossing

[pliant hamlet]

just play better lol

[spice pecan]

everyone knows this, its copium to say otherwise

[zealous flax]

oh hell naw

[pliant hamlet]

It's the epitome of skill issue, unless you're doing feared rotations

[twin arch]

WE'RE SO BACk

[pliant hamlet]

[twin arch]

cant wait to go its so over again for 4 maps

[zealous flax]

just do fortress and get 3 eater frags per map

[spice pecan]

also yeah

[nocturne maple]

don't worry, the triple reality frag feels so good when it hits

[sage falcon]

it's literally not supposed to be a gamble in the first place

[pliant hamlet]

It's funny, I hate the triple reality frag drops

[spice pecan]

fortress is probably fine on a disso build

[pliant hamlet]

because that means I have to do maven lol

[twin arch]

well maps are 50c a pop

[spice pecan]

one phase boss

[twin arch]

fragment is 222

[zealous flax]

fortress is the easyest t17

[twin arch]

so if you go 4+ maps

you lose the gamble

[rose quail]

[zealous flax]

HAII

[pliant hamlet]

I don't think I can call any nightmare map "easiest" anymore

they're so build dependent

[sage falcon]

yeah but arent you expected to drop one at least like 2/3 of the time

[twin arch]

i can try Ziggurat again

[final owl]

abuh.. when did lineage spike to 20c/ea :I

[pliant hamlet]

and mod dependent

[twin arch]

sure

but that one could be sirus

[zealous flax]

just be mod immune

build issue

[spice pecan]

i mean they're all shitty hallway layouts besides sanctuary maybe

[pliant hamlet]

i mean unless you're literally immune, double turbo aoe lycia is a bitch

[spice pecan]

but who the fuck wants to run sanctuary

[sage falcon]

i mean, 50/50 sirus/maven but you should average more than 1 frag so it's 2/3 to drop at least one maven at minimum

[final owl]

sanctuary kinda sucks.

[twin arch]

is it 50/50

i thought it was weighted

[pliant hamlet]

it's 50/50

[twin arch]

ive only gotten 2 frag once in 5 maps

maybe quant does matter

that means no dextral sinestral

hm

[zealous flax]

ward looper was probally the best t17 farming ive made this leauge

[sage falcon]

just annul only one half

[nocturne maple]

watch this, I'm going to open a abom and get reality frags

[sage falcon]

because the scarab makes the other side it doesnt annul 100% increased magnitude

[twin arch]

i see

and which side has uhh

cant Regen

lemme check my blocked mods

[sage falcon]

like just check every map if there's one side with nothing bad and block the other

[pliant hamlet]

wait, aren't you dissolution?

why do you care about can't regen?

[nocturne maple]

shit

[sage falcon]

...mana?

[twin arch]

because thats 99% of my recovery outside dissolution

[zealous flax]

regex?

[twin arch]

or LIFE

[sage falcon]

wut

[pliant hamlet]

I'm asking why do you care about your life regen

are you dark pact or something?

[zealous flax]

Just put it on your regex and roll you map

[nocturne maple]

transfusion

[twin arch]

i stack lifegen heavily

for transfusion

[pliant hamlet]

I ..see

I thought this was just a generic rathpith setup

[twin arch]

yea this aint no fubgoon build

this is elite build technology

[pliant hamlet]

fubgun is playing rathpith?

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-laugh-laughing-funny-gif-13237345185031310090

[twin arch]

no

im saying this build has sauce

[pliant hamlet]

I'm so confused lol

[sage falcon]

no, but invoking his name makes your build better

everyone knows that

[zealous flax]

lol

[twin arch]

exactly

bloon gets the genchat meta

[pliant hamlet]

I don't hang out here enough lately for this, I barel yknow these streamers lol

[zealous flax]

hot take

fubgun is fine

its fubgooners

[twin arch]

he is fine

[onyx adder]

Its ok this is all 0iq to me too

[zealous flax]

the fubgooner ruin everything

[pliant hamlet]

I was trying to not be rude Lol

[onyx adder]

I dont have that problem

[zealous flax]

its like a fly on shit how they act when he does anything

[pliant hamlet]

for years everyone called em "mathil builds"

4k hp capped res no other defenses

[warped sonnet]

mathil builds are cool imo, atleast he tries to do something different

[zealous flax]

i mean having no defense is "fine" if your hh and mapping

[compact bronze]

sry, which option to use in the hort station?

[pliant hamlet]

I mean in a game all about optimizing, the person with the most optimized build...isn't really using new mysterious tech

[sage falcon]

theres an option that says it gives the enchant in question

[worldly bridge]

Fixed a rare bug where Zombies created from the Raise Zombie of Falling gem could get up and follow you, instead of remaining dead.
I love this

[twin arch]

alright

[sage falcon]

if you scroll or type something in the search bar that matches the mod you're looking for i suppose it will show up

[twin arch]

maps with my mod on them and 110 iiq

are only 55c

[zealous flax]

Jungroan and puget2 make the best builds