1┃general

[dark kite]

for the ele hit slayer how important is the massive shrine on the belt?

[drowsy eagle]

well it's aoe

[dark kite]

i have to pick between that and resonating and i think reso is more important

[drowsy eagle]

yeah resonating solves a lot of problems

[twin arch]

Thinking about the guy who was hired to sing in the donkey kong cartoons rn

What a voice

[atomic crane]

Can I hold your mirror

[storm fern]

is there anyway game support can help me get my ring (+1 maximum charges) which i sold by mistake to npc

[tranquil hare]

that is a problem

[drowsy eagle]

poe2 has vendor buyback

[tranquil hare]

I was wondering why I was suddenly unable to use frostblink

[mortal veldt]

my lord we are getting ddosd again??

[storm fern]

poe1

[drowsy eagle]

I know, ig you can try to contact support, no idea if they would do it

[short prairie]

just crafted this, unfort got a terrible veil chaos reveal and a low roll of life gain on hit...

[native token]

ssf

[hard cliff]

sexy

[short prairie]

brother

you got a mirro

[native token]

yes

my divine/h went up by alot

[hard cliff]

[storm fern]

how can i contact them

[drowsy eagle]

email

support@gindinggears uhh something

[kindred lily]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-dancing-gif-13716268

[atomic crane]

Holy useless mirror

[native token]

its not

i can mirror my own clusters

[atomic crane]

You can mirror clusters

New information

[native token]

thats what i do every league xd

[split maple]

Made some triple explodeys one yet Casie?

[native token]

yes allready done in week 1

but im aoe bv enjoyer

[lucid gale]

https://www.pathofexile.com/support

In the past the support page before the recent rework had this paragraph, which is what peeps above are alluding to:

We can not restore dead hardcore characters or lost items for any reason. This is a general policy and we do not make exceptions. Due to bugs, items may be lost or characters may die due to reasons outside of your control. Please do report these incidents in the Bug Reports forum, but do not contact support asking for restoration. We are working hard to fix the underlying problems so that such losses do not occur in the future.
It's currently not on the support page and I don't know if there's been any change in policy or just omission. Mentioning it as it's what held in the past.

[cosmic raptor]

[halcyon flicker]

is there any good way to farm gift to the goddess or is it just grab the tiny little lab cluster on the tree and pray

[gritty garnet]

just that

[halcyon flicker]

dang, not farmable at all then

[gritty garnet]

honestly it's not worth the effort unless you're playing ssf

[halcyon flicker]

yeah no kidding i blasted like 50 maps and got 1

[gritty garnet]

in regular trade league you just do it in a party and ask nicely if they have the transfigured option on their font

[rancid peak]

did poe ninja just die for anyone else?

[gritty garnet]

and on a good day you can get extra use from darkshrine

[opal ingot]

Oof

[opal ingot]

Works for me both economy and build

[rancid peak]

I must have done something before, its good now

[halcyon flicker]

i lost all my spectres yesterday because apparently thas what happens when the level of raise spectre changes

painful 32 div loss lol

animate guardian keeps everything it seems

[rancid sluice]

you always move gear in town when you run spectres

[halcyon flicker]

that works? good to know

[wooden drift]

Hi chat. how to disconnect steam from poe? i alr connect steam and email
https://www.pathofexile.com/my-account/connections

[opal ingot]

Wait rly? Lol

[rancid sluice]

as long as your attributes are good after swapping youll be fine if its in town

[opal ingot]

When I was messing with spectres I always bought max level ones lol

[cobalt blade]

contact support

[halcyon flicker]

yeah i equipped my mageblood so i lost strength and then my raise spectre downgraded a level coz the helmet it was in could no longer be equipped which gave it +4

[rancid sluice]

lot of non-minion players learning the heartaches with minion pact around 😉

[cosmic raptor]

Played spectres once, never again

Messed up 3 forest tigers

[dry tree]

Let this be your lesson to only make gear changes in town

[cosmic raptor]

They were 80 div

Each

[opal ingot]

I'll play spectres again once there's a fun broken build with it

[dense rock]

so since the gem was released? :;D

[halcyon flicker]

there is 😄

well its animate weapon of ranged arms but it uses 5 of em

[opal ingot]

Pass

It looks cool though

[halcyon flicker]

it is honestly my favorite build ive ever played with just 1 downside

8 sec startup time to summon all your stuff before you get to blasting

[rancid sluice]

ill prolly start praw next league

[potent bramble]

Or just don't equip spectres you paid for until you have the final-final gear setup in a way where you won't need to affect them

[dry tree]

You will always need to adjust your gear

[potent bramble]

But it's easier your way for sure

[dry tree]

Better to learn how to do it

[drowsy eagle]

or just be rich

[opal ingot]

Better than ward break loop that instantly dies to any rare mob with flask siphon

[dry tree]

My credit card isn't that thick

[halcyon flicker]

i mean if all you gotta do is be in town then its a non-issue

[opal ingot]

Don't even need to deal damage XD

The ward looper just off themselves

[halcyon flicker]

wish i had that knowledge before though but better late than never

[dry tree]

Yep all you gotta do is be in town and it doesn't brick shit

It's not rocket surgery, thankfully

[potent bramble]

Some of it, yeah, but like if you have your stats covered by uniques and you buy the correct helmet (example) then you know you can't lose 'em that way

[opal ingot]

With Bama I had to constantly cycle my clones as well as making sure my offering uptime was up xd

[rancid sluice]

thankfullly specters arent super crazy expensive. even the tiger was like 20d when i bought it but the res tare super tame

[potent bramble]

And can still work on the rest of the rares without breaking spectres. Better to know how to do it, for sure tho

[opal ingot]

It was so good though

Still, flicker got older than Bama XD

[halcyon flicker]

tiger is 31d now

[opal ingot]

For me

[halcyon flicker]

I know coz i lost one 😛

[opal ingot]

Last last league they were like 3-7d before it skyrocket to 20+ lol

[rancid sluice]

still cheap compared to last few leagues

i sold a few for 45-50 in keepers

[potent bramble]

I need a good profit farm, decks are crazy high ROI but I'm gonna get carpal tunnel if I keep going at this rate

[halcyon flicker]

im going to push this character to 100. almost 99

[opal ingot]

Why not xmouse button and bind scroll wheel to left click

[halcyon flicker]

bind left click to scroll, looting is so much easier. thats what i do for scarabs

[elfin spire]

Ain't no way I cleared 3 wing's with 0 issues, but died on way out with ±20D amulet in 4'th...

[opal ingot]

Empy sushi sebk does it

Thefarmer

[potent bramble]

I dunno, just not my style I guess

[halcyon flicker]

or if you really wanna minmax plug in a controller and mash. i know people do that in temples in poe2 with a very strict lootfilter lol

[opal ingot]

Once u try it you'll never go back

But I respect ur decision

[rancid sluice]

im actually gonna give that a shot ive been farming decks last few days

my trees are decks/boxes/deli so theres a lot of shit to pick up anyway

[potent bramble]

I was running temples for a while, did some decks, little bit of breach... thinkin' about leaning more into ritual specifically with the next character. Cyclone Elementalist this time lol

[elfin spire]

strongboxes, breach, delve?

I personally did essence's, but it's not as profitable(still around 15D/h purely from selling essence's)

[rancid sluice]

ritual is good money for sure, just a lot of rng and flipping through screens

[short prairie]

https://pobb.in/wzgaa46aOkng does this look ok for an ssf character

[potent bramble]

Boxes are okay, but none of my builds have felt strong enough to really go all-in on juicing yet and I feel like that's what boxes really want

[short prairie]

maybe i should add enduring cry

[potent bramble]

I'm sure a big part of it is me being overly cautious though

[elfin spire]

Boxes just want ok survivability and AoE.
That's it.

[cobalt blade]

anointless

[potent bramble]

And idk, never got super into delve. I tend to do it casually/randomly

[cobalt blade]

looks okay tho

[potent bramble]

Impale Cyclone does it pretty well; I just need to find a way to properly invest in regen b/c right now its all leech. Turns out you can't leech from a corpse, who knew

[elfin spire]

[tranquil sedge]

are you levelling up extra gems inoffhand and stuff

[potent bramble]

My other mostly-finished setup was Frostblink Totems, and that one is full glass cannon

[elfin spire]

I'll gonna do delve just to not pay 30D for last unique map in challenge's

[potent bramble]

Ah, I usually do about half my Atlas in party play, so we pool uniques

[elfin spire]

That unique map drops only from delve boss

[potent bramble]

There's a delve only unique map?

[tranquil sedge]

doryani's machinarium

[cobalt blade]

only matters for challenge completion

[tranquil sedge]

its the single most expensive challenge line there is i imagine

if u dont split the cost

[potent bramble]

Huh. TIL

[elfin spire]

4 challenge's and I'll have full set of armor accessories
I have to

[cobalt blade]

that one might be pricier

[dim turtle]

Hit chance 99%

[cobalt blade]

but idk by how much

[short prairie]

im almos there dont judge

[elfin spire]

Nah, not even close

[short prairie]

just need a little more int

[potent bramble]

With the way the economy is going....

[dim turtle]

You got this ✊

[potent bramble]

What are we at, like 370c per div in softcore trade?

[cobalt blade]

i mean its a 120 astrolabes

[dim turtle]

I think breach needs to be shot mid league ngl

[potent bramble]

Iirc the most expensive astrolabe is still under 150c, so if they were all 150c then that's ~5d per line and 11 lines, so 55d for the challenge

[slate compass]

no its not 120 ...

Its each region completed in them

So you get around 10 per

[cobalt blade]

oh true

[slate compass]

its closer to 12

[cobalt blade]

its like 5 average no?

[slate compass]

If you use the atlas keystone yeah

[cobalt blade]

since if ur runnning the node that makes them bearable u constantly cut them off

yea

[slate compass]

If you run em all no its like 10 per or more

[cobalt blade]

so i guess like 15-30 odd astrolabes depending on how u do it

[slate compass]

so 5d 🙂

[cobalt blade]

maybe not more expensive then

[slate compass]

And you prob make some money

unless you just rush boss I think boss kill counts as completion for challenge

[potent bramble]

Oh wait, yeah if it's per map affected then you're looking at needing 6 of each, so then 3d per line and 33d for the challenge, but considering like half the Astros are under 100c, I would guess it's gonna be around 20-25d to do the whole challenge

[elfin spire]

If you are extremely unlucky and only get 5 map's per astrolabe - maybe.
Otherwise - no.
Leaving alone that astrolabes are not rare drop in mythical place.
Worst case scenario, you can do 5-maps remembrance link, which is 1c per try, and boss at end is guaranteed to drop astrolabe.

[slate compass]

its 4 astrolabes done

[cobalt blade]

u only need to do 4

[slate compass]

not all of em

[slate compass]

o they garuantee drop?

[cobalt blade]

my assumption is youll constantly get shaped regions cut off with the keystone

fuck running all the shit layouts lol

[elfin spire]

Just don't keystone until done with challenge?

[cobalt blade]

and then its awful to do

[potent bramble]

If you average 5 maps per astrolabe, and you need 30 done, that's 6 astrolabes

[slate compass]

just be fast 🙂

[cobalt blade]

cheaper sure but fuck it

[shrewd rock]

To be fair they did remove the dump for chaos right

[slate compass]

one of em yeah

[cobalt blade]

2 of em

[shrewd rock]

That was the main one iirc

[cobalt blade]

t17's and map craft

[shrewd rock]

I dont think ppl were chaosing their shit

[slate compass]

nightmare still exists but isnt the main farm map now

[elfin spire]

It's actually 0 EXTRA price if we account that astrolabes are part of juicing. You will make more per shaped region than you spend on astrolabe.

30D machinarium is opposite of that.

[shrewd rock]

Yeah iirc using like 12c to put some shit on the map was a pretty significant one to remove

[wind nova]

Why do most Kboc builds use crown of the inward instead of a rare ES helmet?

[shrewd rock]

Damage i assume

[cobalt blade]

ye

[potent bramble]

I did/do chaos my maps to roll, but at this point it's cheaper to regex and use exalt to try and 6mod everything, chaos just to reset it if you hit a bad one

[wind nova]

How big is the dmg? i don't really know what the transfigs do really

[cobalt blade]

6 astrolabes 150c each 4 sets done(and i think most are cheaper than 150 anyway)

so like 5-10d challenge i guess

[dense rock]

how big of a difference will i feel if i take my supress chance from 86% to 100%?

[elfin spire]

Machinarium was 7D like week ago.
God knows what will price be in another week.

[short prairie]

dayum just rolled this

[potent bramble]

It does kinda feel like the league is becoming a forced-SSF experience for some people (me)

It's difficult to keep up with the inflating economy, but that could absolutely also be me not doing meta farms and running too many characters lol

I think I have 5 this league so far, and three more planned already

[shrewd rock]

Try ssf HS or LE

[elfin spire]

I use trading, but many thing's for crafting - I prefer to get myself(not add meta mod beasts, though, it would've taken forever if I did that)

[halcyon flicker]

just keep half of your currency in div the other in whatever

fragments are usually pretty safe to invest in early on

[shrewd rock]

If you dont feel like poe is moving in a direction where you're the target audience, try some alternatives

LE cof is great

And hs ssf drop rate boosts are also nice i hear

[potent bramble]

I mean I mostly play to turn my brain off, so I'm not SUPER worried about the economy outpacing me. Mostly it's just obnoxious if I want to take a shortcut on a new build

There's a reason why I play exclusively one-button builds, or one button and a travel skill

[cosmic reef]

welcome to every poe league after day 5

[halcyon flicker]

ive been busy today lol

no super lucky drops just raw currency and scarabs mostly

[compact bronze]

just to clarify, this is 30% of my damage i deal to monsters right? Or i take 30% increased damage from monsters?

[drowsy eagle]

how is that spike ony +144

[potent bramble]

Truuuu. Also doesn't help that I took a week off to drive across the country during this league

[tranquil sedge]

its not incoming damage

its outgoing damage

[compact bronze]

okay thanks

[halcyon flicker]

prob because i spent roughly 400d before that on gear lol

off meta stuff which has no items on the market at times, crafting and not hitting the RNG

pain

[viscid python]

time to 5-1 entire quad and get *maybe * 1 div

[shrewd rock]

Ye, imo mainline poe1 is currently primarily focused on supporting the hardcore playerbase

I think you'll prob have better time with poe2 or other arpgs

If you're seeking a more casual experience

And theres nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong with ggg appealing to the hardcore audience

[cosmic raptor]

every time i have the chance to double my currency altar, i get barely no drops
and when i dont have it i get 10 div per map

xd

[full kraken]

inflation only matters if you are specifically farming chaos orbs and other small bubblegum currency

otherwise, it should have zero impact on whatever you are doing as a farming strat, the ratios of most chase currencies : divines has remained fairly consistent

IE the value of, say, a Syndicate Medallion has stayed fairly consistent all league long

(in divines)

its not that divines are changing price, its that chaos specifically are devaluing, decouple yourself from chaos and the economy is quite stable

[shrewd rock]

What lol

[tough cove]

disvs are any less valuable because chaos went down

[shrewd rock]

First time I'm seeing someone downplaying inflation

[full kraken]

its pretty straightforward

[tough cove]

and players should be converting chaos to div regularly anyway

[full kraken]

poe players being bad at math/economics is a tale as old as time

[slate compass]

Does anyone have the hydra spectere build I want to test if my pc can handle it

Need to run a map with you

[tough cove]

its simple chao sis only valuable early in a league now

divs are the real currency

[full kraken]

this has been the rule for... ever.

Sure it may have been exalts instead once upon a time, but the rule of "dont hold in chaos" has been a constant as far as I remember

[shrewd rock]

The problem here is that peoples accumulated wealth is not only in syndicate medallions

[full kraken]

literally every other currency has fairly stable held its value at ratio with divines

[shrewd rock]

Generally someones portfolio is split amongst different types of currency

[cobalt blade]

this is incorrect btw it also affects you if your div farming and not investing into other shit

[shrewd rock]

Yes exactly lol

[cobalt blade]

price of mirror goes up > price of items dependant on mirror goes up(locks shrine belts medallions etc) > your divines lose effective value

[full kraken]

so, this might sound wild to you, but 1 divine is worth 1 divine

[cobalt blade]

yes but that 1 divine buys less

[cosmic raptor]

yeah buy mirrors like me just for mirror to lose 70 div value in a day

[cobalt blade]

since you didnt invest it

[tough cove]

divines drop at the same rate still

[full kraken]

okay yeah mirrors are the exception, obviously mirrors changed in price for very very obvious reasons no one couldve predicted

[shrewd rock]

The problem is that your anchoring on divines, which IMO is wrong

[cobalt blade]

ye that was a rare scenario mirrors go down wildly

[charred hornet]

Div just arent dropping like chaos...its usually always 1 div or double if you have currency double drop...i dont think div stack like 4x. Or more can drop naturally

[shrewd rock]

Its like anchoring on USD

[cobalt blade]

but uh in general you rly want to invest into shit that gains value based on mirror price

[shrewd rock]

Rather than anchoring on buying power

[full kraken]

if you were holding in mirrors and got hit by that, thats some very very bad luck but that has nothing to do with inflation

[cobalt blade]

im personally partial to gems and uniques

[full kraken]

tbh Id say the best currency to anchor on are alts

[cosmic raptor]

bought for 985 and they are like 923 now...

[cobalt blade]

or mirror shards

[cobalt blade]

o7

[cosmic raptor]

should have gotten 10 locks

[cobalt blade]

its locks and mists

[cosmic raptor]

they were 120

[cobalt blade]

rn

[shrewd rock]

I dont think you should anchor on any specific currency if you're trying to measure the effect of inflation on people

[cosmic raptor]

127 now

[full kraken]

locks are pretty good too yeah

[shrewd rock]

You need to measure buying power

[full kraken]

you want to anchor on currencies that have actual value

chaos dont have any value atm

or well, extremely tiny value, maybe

[shrewd rock]

Yes, but people casually playing DROP chaos

[tough cove]

mirrors have always been a bit fluctuational

[cobalt blade]

think of it this way if u invest 50d into 10 mists early>mist goes up by 30-40d(which has happened) youve made 300-400div compared to just sitting on that div

[full kraken]

people also drop wisdom scrolls who cares

[shrewd rock]

So it affects the casual players buying power

[charred hornet]

Its tiny yes...rolling nm map,but people probably just buying the 8 mod nightmare map instead rerolling them

[full kraken]

it shouldnt, chaos atm are literally worthless

and I dont mean economically I mean chaos are borderline useless atm mechanically

[shrewd rock]

A casual player playing 5-10 hours a week, chaos does matter

[full kraken]

chaos are currently in about the same position as divines are in poe2

[tough cove]

said casual player doesnt matter in terms of economy

[full kraken]

the majority of the chaos market is now speculation

[shrewd rock]

So heres the problem mate

[full kraken]

chaos matter about as much as wisdom scrolls

[shrewd rock]

I dont care about the economy

[full kraken]

take a step back here

stop

Tell me how many chaos you have spent, crafting in the past week

[shrewd rock]

I care about the general experience of the game for the average player

[full kraken]

I can tell you close to how many Ive used this entire league

[wintry lily]

This has to be the most "veteran" Poe chat I've ever seen

[tough cove]

the average player experience has never been better

[shrewd rock]

I skipped this league kek because i wanted to play e33 and other games

[full kraken]

(its about 300, total, and the only thing Ive used them for is rolling nightmare maps, and I only need like an average of 2c per nightmare map)

[shrewd rock]

So 0

[charred hornet]

Casual now either go for nm farming/harvest/scarab probably for better farming value

[cosmic raptor]

holy fuck even lower

[full kraken]

ggg removed most uses for chaos, so now they are wildly going up in price constantly cuz they are almost worthless

[cosmic raptor]

💀

[crisp plinth]

casuals go nm farming? uh

[full kraken]

the only reasonable use case for chaos in the game atm, is rerolling nightmare maps, thats it

[shrewd rock]

I understand

[charred hornet]

Its not that hard right?

[shrewd rock]

You're strawmanning

[cobalt blade]

couple hundred possibly close to 1k chaosing maps/bench crafting stuff

[crisp plinth]

we're talking casuals

[full kraken]

And, do the math, how many chaos orbs do you think one nightmare map drops

[crisp plinth]

casuals for me dont farm any nightmare maps

[shrewd rock]

I'm saying that the average player is having a negative experience

[cosmic raptor]

im rolling 16.5 with them

[shrewd rock]

I dont care about mirrors and the broader economy

[full kraken]

oh snap you are right I take it back actually

I have prolly spent another few hundred on bench crafts

[shrewd rock]

Lmao

Its so irrelevant to my argument

[charred hornet]

How about 8map mod?

[shrewd rock]

Yet you keep bringing it up

[wintry lily]

Most casuals play to maybe 4 stones at most

[cobalt blade]

i assume casuals are just doing alch n go t16 personally this point in the league

[wintry geode]

Real question why are Mirrors worth so much I feel like it’s faster and easier to just craft a duplicate is it just for uniques or a flex ?

[cobalt blade]

no scarabs just baseline alch n go

[full kraken]

the point here is chaos orbs, mechanically, not economically, dont have any value, they are literally about as worth picking up mechanically as wisdom scrolls

[tough cove]

breach prints chaos orbs too

[cobalt blade]

theres items that cost multiple mirrors to make

[shrewd rock]

Again, you're strawmanning

[cobalt blade]

you mirror those items

[wintry lily]

Because sometimes getting specific mod combinations is a bitch

[cobalt blade]

in particular synth items

[crisp plinth]

maybe invest into legion or so but definitely no 8mod mapping or so

[full kraken]

casual players literally have no mechanical reason to pick up a chaos orb, fucking alts and augs and regals are more useful now

[shrewd rock]

You're arguing against something else, and not addressing what i said

[stark copper]

just bought one of these, not sure why there is barely any in circulation, there is way more foulborn magebloods than rathpith

stupidly expensive but price didn't even drop at all after over a week

[charred hornet]

Then they viable strat probably strongbox/harvest/essence/beast....i dont think casual will drop a div with just alc and go

[cobalt blade]

explode bow for example you could easily spend 5 mirrors and not manage to craft this

[tough cove]

im essentially doing alch and go atm farming stupid seer

[wintry lily]

Depends tbh, 8modmaps are going dirt cheap and maybe a few will touch them, but stop cuz 8mod maps are pretty deadly for casuals

[tough cove]

and ive gotten 6 raw div drops today

[full kraken]

I see no issue, a mechanically worthless currency that serves a specific niche purpose is worthless economically, its balanced

The only remaining problem is simply people pricing shit in chaos for no reason other than habit and the fact ggg has tightly coupled their trade site UX to chaos orbs

[wintry geode]

But the price of them they just don’t seem worth it tbh like how many divines is a mirror rn ?

[lucid gale]

[cobalt blade]

honestly alch n go isnt that bad for div with currency buff and mirage

[tranquil sedge]

how do you farm fbl magebloods or other items, do you have to spec into a specific gear slot on tree or something

[full kraken]

either ggg needs to give chaos something more useful in game, or they have to go update the trade site to use something other than chaos as its default pick

[shrewd rock]

Your point being true or false literally doesn't effect whether or not the casual player is having a worse experience

[tough cove]

mirrors usually stay in the 900-1000 range and vary wildly inside that

[charred hornet]

It just the div drop kinda vary.

[cobalt blade]

you haveto consider items that cost well over a mirror as i mentioned and linked a bow forexample

[wintry lily]

Doesn't matter in the context. They pay a fee to mirror them because crafting them will usually take multiple mirrors per attempt

[tough cove]

you arent even playing this league

[shrewd rock]

Who cares if chaos as a currency is worthless

[tranquil sedge]

either ggg needs to give chaos something more useful in game
the overwhelming correct option is to bring back a sink

[full kraken]

casual players only will have a worse experience if they are dumb and dont read the room

[tranquil sedge]

we do because we dont need more worthless currencies

[charred hornet]

6 div is not alot tho

[tranquil sedge]

and more importantly

even if you dont specifically care about chaos

it wasn't really a problem before

they've just managed to invent one by removing the sink

[full kraken]

sure, I am honestly on the fence

how many people here care about the fact wisdom and portal scrolls dealue by the time you hit act 10? does anyone here think ggg needs to add a wisdom scroll sink?

[tranquil sedge]

anyone could have guessed this

[short prairie]

i cant

[tranquil sedge]

that's not a good/okay thing either

[cobalt blade]

that thing is fuckedup

[short prairie]

epilepsy

[full kraken]

the problem is the trade site UI defaults to pricing stuff in chaos

[tranquil sedge]

understandable but ig my response would be wat i just gave to dinoman yeh

[charred hornet]

Sythethsying cluster...damn

[tranquil sedge]

maybe i missed it i just joined the chat, wat is ur proposed fix

[wintry geode]

What typa gear even worth allat my first run and I’m on the medium budget tier of my build rn so like max 50-100c per item

[full kraken]

fix the trade site ui to use an actual useful currency as our gold standard

[cobalt blade]

its synth and quint refracting fog i think

[wintry lily]

50-100c is cheap end for this time of the league

[cobalt blade]

atk speed on spell dmg base> 3 explode mods iirc none of which are on spell dmg base

[tranquil sedge]

see thats the problem
'useful currency' is only ever determined by players and historically thats been chaos and divs and mirrors for the majority of items

if they can arbitrarily fuck up currencies like by removing sinks

thats not conducive to a good trade site experience

[crisp plinth]

casuals just need to read up

[shrewd rock]

Basically I was saying that inflation makes the casual poe players experience worse, and pixel is going on about chaos and economy and shit

[tranquil sedge]

even if lets say today we all switched to gcps

[crisp plinth]

smh

[full kraken]

chaos isnt actually useful, the economy has always, for countless leagues, been unstable literally because we tie it to possibly the worst possible currency to pick

[tranquil sedge]

ah
i agree entirely

[steel light]

my 8 mods mirage map cost around 180c

[full kraken]

chaos has been a straight up unstable currency for like... countless years

[wintry geode]

And the endgame end all be all great for my build costs a few divines at most so like what this get be doing it’s worth mirrors

[cobalt blade]

i agree for the casual player that doesnt understand investing into shit yeah

but i guess if you understand that ur prob not casual

[full kraken]

this isnt a new problem, the problem is just exaggerated stronger, but this problem has been present for a long long time

[tranquil sedge]

yes but its also been in a relatively consistent range and deviating outside that this far hurts the average player experience

[wintry lily]

Perfect t1 mods with the right corrupts and perfect base and such

[full kraken]

its just faster so its easier to see for people now

[wintry lily]

At least

[tranquil sedge]

just because you and i understand its better to sell for divs now doesnt mean the average player might

[full kraken]

the only issue with the ratio being this high is the gold cost imo

[tranquil sedge]

overall from a game health perspective, one more worthless currency is not a good thing

[cobalt blade]

multi billion DPS check valdo maps

[cosmic raptor]

im glad i have 300 rarity on map just to drop 5 tabula rasa

[tranquil sedge]

gold cost is an issue even if chaos was at a normal 200 or something

[cobalt blade]

or multi million max hit tank check valdo maps

[tranquil sedge]

thats still a separate valid issue

[cobalt blade]

2 separate scenarios youd want to go multi mirror for

[tranquil sedge]

but like, this just exacerbates that as a side effect

[full kraken]

Im fine with niche currencies existing for niche fun uses

but tying our economy via the trade site ui to an esoteric currency with one specific good use case is not great

[tranquil sedge]

rampant hyperinflation of any one currency is never good

[full kraken]

I mean sure but that problem outright being doubled sucks :p

[cobalt blade]

but then you also have fitting as much rarity as possible into your build>the more dmg you can get per slot the better>spend multiple mirrors per slot to maximize rarity to dmg

[tranquil sedge]

unless every item is priced in divs my guy that is always going to be the case

[full kraken]

annuls, for example, remain stable

[tranquil sedge]

bro annuls are 5x the price this league lol

[full kraken]

pretty much every currency but chaos is stable

[tranquil sedge]

vs past leagues

thats not how it works

[full kraken]

in what currency, chaos or div

[tranquil sedge]

and they're more than double the price than earlier in the league

[tough cove]

annuls are more expensive because of drop tier changes

[tranquil sedge]

both.

[full kraken]

in divines?

also that

[tough cove]

same reason exalt is worthless now

[full kraken]

also harbingers gone????

[cobalt blade]

they are more ex pensive because harby gone lol

[tranquil sedge]

i know but my point is

there's no 'magic currency' solution

this is literally all i mean

any currency u pick

tomorrow an update can fuck it up

there's no magic solution

[full kraken]

look at theSTABILITY of the price of annuls

[cobalt blade]

time to make sacred orbs the defacto currency

[tough cove]

also your comment about gold is laughable since gold literally rains form the sky

[cobalt blade]

[full kraken]

we care about stability and ratio

[wintry lily]

Problem ; currency can be useless
Solution: no more currency

[tranquil sedge]

we also care about league-to-league consistency

[full kraken]

you want a currency that is reasonable to pay one of as your atomic currency, for the cheapest items

[tranquil sedge]

it is NOT okay to have a new currency every league

[tough cove]

Also chaos has been highly unstable for like 7 leagues now

[cobalt blade]

this isnt rly possible its a player controlled market

[full kraken]

where paying "1 X" is a fine price for... T16 maps or whatever your bulk cheap things are

[tough cove]

ever since affliction really

[tranquil sedge]

i can also point out one thing

a lot of my bias towards chaos comes from habit

but that is still valid.

im used to chaos therefore chaos should remain stable is not invalid

consistency in some things is good

[full kraken]

some currencies are way more stable than others because crafters continually consume them if they drop in price

[tranquil sedge]

yea, chaos IS one of those

[cobalt blade]

chaos is still the most valuable low tier currency tbf

at some point it reaches a value u chaos spam clusters

[tranquil sedge]

its just that its consumption was tied to several things

and one of those big things got yeeted

[cobalt blade]

which it is roughly around that rn

[tranquil sedge]

so we're seeing big ripples

[tranquil sedge]

we hit that point a while ago

i agree though, yes

[cobalt blade]

ye

[wintry lily]

Just give us back map crafting

[tranquil sedge]

i mean that fundamentally ppl will still spam chaos whether its 400:1 or 200:1

but like

[tranquil sedge]

this is an easy fix

or like just ANY similar sink

one downgrade of astrolabe is the per-map cost to force a mechanic

[cobalt blade]

think they shoud give orig maps the same limitation as nightmare personally

[wintry lily]

Or, hear me out, it'll be stupid but, we can have up to 3 extra map slots, but they cost chaos to be used per run /s

[slate compass]

tie div to annul 🙂

[tranquil sedge]

LOL

[tranquil sedge]

nobody will do this

they're too rare and ppl aren't used to this

[full kraken]

Id be fine with all maps having this limitation tbh

[wintry lily]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-minos-minos-prime-thy-end-is-now-punch-gif-16630674477332190433

[viscid python]

1dx=7 4dx=5 8dx-=1 from full quad

[tranquil sedge]

same

[cobalt blade]

all maps is bad

[wintry lily]

My honest opinion

[tranquil sedge]

they really should have

[full kraken]

or perhaps red maps

[tranquil sedge]

it would have been plenty on its own

[daring bluff]

whats that symbol? just fractured?

[tranquil sedge]

nah again makes the average player experience far worse

[charred hornet]

People can farm chaos like thousand of them....atleast not divine tho,if they make divine rain farm like titanic rogue exile tier farm where only X player can farm them then its gonna be problem for casual

[cobalt blade]

then alchs and scours have no use +yknow early league you sometimes just want to run basic maps cos ur build is ass

[slate compass]

y

[full kraken]

like T11+ maps cannot be scoured full stop does actually open up interesting design space

[daring bluff]

ty

[cobalt blade]

orig atleast makes sense since its shit you run late

[wintry lily]

Y'know what, let's fuck with people

[tranquil sedge]

no that just makes the experience shit

t11 maps are low tier crap

[wintry lily]

Make chaos div tier

And div chaos tier

[tranquil sedge]

the moment u have a voidstone ur never running them again

[daring bluff]

an elder ame ring is kinda meh right?

[full kraken]

like right now GGG has to consider "but what if this content can just be run on scoured maps" for every single piece of content

[tranquil sedge]

what ?

[cobalt blade]

hard disagree thats just gonna feel ass and getting your atlas points will suck

[tranquil sedge]

they don't really

not if it scales with juice

[cobalt blade]

without being able to scour alch it

[daring bluff]

this, like theres nothing really great i could do with this

[tranquil sedge]

then nobody gonna run it white

[tranquil sedge]

keep it as a base

[full kraken]

this process was so abundantly trivial this league I dont even care about this argument, who the hell is even remotely struggling to 100% their atlas now

[crisp plinth]

taking away agency is the wrong way

[tranquil sedge]

in ssf u never know when you need an influenced ring

[tranquil sedge]

plenty of peoeple

[slate compass]

running it white should be a option for those who want to race to stones

[tranquil sedge]

you're not the average player dude

[daring bluff]

fair

[cobalt blade]

^

[tranquil sedge]

literally nobody talking right now is average

[crisp plinth]

true

[tranquil sedge]

ur infinitely better than the average andy playing this game

[crisp plinth]

we are below avg

[cosmic raptor]

six seveeeen

[crisp plinth]

and maybe above median

[cobalt blade]

personally didnt have trouble either but if suddenly my first 100-200 chaos went towards map rolling thats -100-200 chaos spent on gear> becomes harder

[slate compass]

damn your too rich doug

[full kraken]

dawg even ruthless SSF players were 100%'ing their atlas on like day 2~3

[crisp plinth]

nobody cares

[cosmic raptor]

got lucky

[crisp plinth]

ruthless ssf players arent casuals

you know that

we know it

[tranquil sedge]

first of all anybody ssfing ruthless and doing atlas 100% by day 3 is a fucking 1% top player

[full kraken]

the point is, the bar has never been lower

[charred hornet]

Is ssf player casual? Lol it take knowledge to play ssf

[crisp plinth]

it has been way lower

you just dont want to see it

[cobalt blade]

thats top 0.1% genuienly lmfao

[full kraken]

no, stuff like boats and recombination and shit have made it so easy

[cobalt blade]

ruthless campaign day 1-2 alone is already rly good

[crisp plinth]

it's just being unable to adjust their viewpoint

[tranquil sedge]

i enjoyed this but its starting to grate a bit so im gonna go level a templar

[crisp plinth]

absolute comedy

[slate compass]

Ha people using recomb your funny

Most dont touch it

[tranquil sedge]

pixel im going now but i can confidently tell you, your understanding of your own skill level is not rooted in reality at all

[cobalt blade]

ssf players do

[full kraken]

I have been playing since abyss

The core thing is you no longer need specific maps now, you just need Tier X+ map

[tranquil sedge]

you're underestimating just how fucking low the bar is for 'average' in this game

[cobalt blade]

https://xkcd.com/2501/

xkcd: Average Familiarity

How could anyone consider themselves a well-rounded adult without a basic understanding of silicate geochemistry? Silicates are everywhere! It's hard to throw a rock without throwing one!

relevant xkcd

[slate compass]

I agree with that pixxel

[tranquil sedge]

LOL

good one

[full kraken]

No, its so objectively true that the atlas is a fraction as hard to 100% as it used to be

[shrewd rock]

But yeah I think the casual player experience for poe has degraded to a point where I am not really interested in playing anymore

[full kraken]

you only need a map in general to drop now instead of Specific Map

[shrewd rock]

You have to play like a maniac to have fun in trade

[tranquil sedge]

i've had a few friends share this sentiment

[tranquil sedge]

but i think this is a bit of an exaggeration

[cobalt blade]

thiiis i don tagree with since the base game is fun

[shrewd rock]

And ssf is seriously hamstringed to the point whre its not even fun

[cobalt blade]

but that might just be me

[full kraken]

before you had 1/n chance the specific map that dropped was your map you needed for your next +1

now ANY map drop counts

[wintry lily]

There's a Poe ver of this somewhere

[tranquil sedge]

well ssf in a game explicitly balanced around not-ssf is understandable, they've said as much

but i disagree with your view on trade

[full kraken]

you had to fuck around 3:1'ing a buncha maps checking vendor recipe in like 20 configurations til you hit Specific Map

[tranquil sedge]

its incredibly casual to do whatever you want and farm double digit div/hr if you just focus on it

[full kraken]

Now you just 3:1 them up and BOOM DONE

[tranquil sedge]

pixel

i think you're missing the point

atlas is easier this league than ever i dont doubt that

[shrewd rock]

Yes but then I'm not casually playing poe lol

[tranquil sedge]

it still doesnt make the other arguments untrue

[full kraken]

also you had to keep checking kirac's shop to see "is he selling <map I need>"

[cobalt blade]

alright and now you still have to alch vaal those maps run triple dmg mod maps on scuffed builds etc

which yknow a casual player doesnt have a great build

[full kraken]

now its just "I need a Tier12+ map, doesnt matter, just tier"

[shrewd rock]

When i say casual i want to be playing it in conjunction with other games

[tranquil sedge]

brother you could run any mechanic you want with alch and go and still make enough money to push any skill to at least t16s

[cobalt blade]

they die constantly

[shrewd rock]

Playing a few hours a week

[full kraken]

"alch"

wat?

[shrewd rock]

And then i go play some warframe

[wintry lily]

You can honestly do that?

[tranquil sedge]

ah

[shrewd rock]

And then some single player game

[cobalt blade]

atlas points

[charred hornet]

Casual player copy top tier build usually....they just bad at copying

[shrewd rock]

I'm able to do that with cof last epoch and ssf grim dawn lol

[wintry lily]

I've been doing a bit of Ow + Poe and still playing 2 gacha games

[cobalt blade]

truth

[full kraken]

yeah if your build is scuffed you dont alch

[tranquil sedge]

idk i think this depends on your goals right

[slate compass]

isnt the casual player not reaching maps 🙂

[wintry lily]

And what's stopping you from doing that with Poe?

[cobalt blade]

alright and now your lacking regals or your maps decide to vaal 8 mod 10 times in a row definitely not speaking from experience

[cosmic raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/red-panda-gif-14105238506505165605

[tranquil sedge]

nom

[full kraken]

lacking regals

Dawg did you even play the same game as me this league

[shrewd rock]

Cuz you do need to play quite a bit to make reasonable progress

[tranquil sedge]

like if we take a step back and say ur making shit 5d/hr once ur in reds, and u have say a 10-15h campaign, even if you only play a few hours a week, over a couple months you're still gonna push something to t16s at the very least

[full kraken]

regals got giga buffed

[tranquil sedge]

if you're playing casually that's still decent progess

[cobalt blade]

im coming at it from a casual players perspective

like i didnt struggle ofc

[full kraken]

YES I know

[wintry lily]

But what is your reasonable expectations of progress then?

[tranquil sedge]

^

[full kraken]

you are NOT struggling to acquire regals now

[wintry lily]

Hit t16 in 8 hours after acts?

[cobalt blade]

but you are if your not running maps with any quant and constantly using regals on maps scour if bad mod etc etc

[full kraken]

you also will not struggle to get vaals either

[tranquil sedge]

8h sounds like a good campaign lmao

[charred hornet]

Thats not casual.....atleast t16 map in 2 days probably

[wintry lily]

Because my expectations is how far I go with whatever build I decided to have fun with

[slate compass]

Id say resonable is t16 by a month in and atlas fully complete by month 2

[tranquil sedge]

make it more like 10-15

[full kraken]

no, you literally wont

[wintry lily]

No that's why I'm asking dis

[full kraken]

Im including that

[tranquil sedge]

that is giga slow in current atlas to be honest

[cobalt blade]

but you literally will

[tranquil sedge]

but like

[cosmic raptor]

ouch

[tranquil sedge]

even that is still progress

[frigid wedge]

wuh

[full kraken]

I literally did that and had a constant huge surplus

[tranquil sedge]

is osin still stupidly expensive

[slate compass]

Yeah true but if the person can play 2 hrs a day or something

[wintry lily]

Because I play like maybe 10-20 maps a day, still progress

[slate compass]

I could see it

[cobalt blade]

tryna convince kafka to recraft amulet :333

[full kraken]

like regals are very very common now

[tranquil sedge]

its still a few weeks tops for atlas completion even then
but yes i understand the point ur making

[wintry lily]

And be happy with what I've done and play another game

[charred hornet]

Since i usually reach t16 in 1 day(and i like to off tracking so casual probably do that too) so i give 2 days max

[full kraken]

and chance orbs even more common

[wintry lily]

You're missing the point, I'm not talking about casuals

[slate compass]

day 1 t16 is wild ...

[wintry lily]

I'm talking to DIS

[cobalt blade]

alright and are you running decent quant ma ps blasting multiple hours a day

[slate compass]

Maybe I pick too slow of builds I take like 3 days to hit t16

[cobalt blade]

or a casual playing playing for 5-10 hours a week

[wintry lily]

With his expectations of why he's not having fun casually with poe

[full kraken]

I am running very low quant

[cosmic raptor]

seems like it

[frigid wedge]

hed kill me

[tranquil sedge]

sigh

[wintry lily]

I fully understand casuals will take days if not weeks to hit t16s

[cobalt blade]

D:

[full kraken]

I am running 3mod maps, and still maintaining a large surplus of regals

[wintry lily]

Because I take 3-4 days myself

[tranquil sedge]

this one item is still worth more than my entire msoz build i put together

[cosmic raptor]

was 6 mirrors tho, it dropped

[full kraken]

and was running an unequivocally meme scuffed build

[wintry lily]

I just don't care to juice progression as much

[cosmic raptor]

[cobalt blade]

shrug i think i had maybe 100 odd regals when i got full map completion not rly using them

could easily see a casual player struggling to roll maps with tha few

[tranquil sedge]

you wanna know the funny part

[full kraken]

do you, by chance, have singles loot filter'd and only picked up stacks

[frigid wedge]

cant u grab chaos convert jewel for now

[tranquil sedge]

i dunno what that is, i took lycia bloodline tho in pob

[full kraken]

you only need like 60

[split palm]

hi sans

[cosmic raptor]

lets see

[cobalt blade]

no my filter until im past alch n go shows singles

[cobalt blade]

if your damage and defence is good yes

[frigid wedge]

either foulborn red dream or red nightmare has fire to chaos

[cobalt blade]

if you struggle with more than 1 damage or tank mod no

[full kraken]

wait you realize you just... literally admitted you also had an excess surplus of regals right

[cobalt blade]

or if you get unlucky on vaals

[cosmic raptor]

let hear it rather

[full kraken]

60 includes bricking like 20% of your maps

[tranquil sedge]

https://pobb.in/pPT0_qvfmkIp this is my planned pob and if i replace that misted helical with osin, i lose almost 450 str but its still a dps increase lmfao

[cobalt blade]

my dude i also said not using them since i was just alch vaaling lol

[tranquil sedge]

osin is really just funny

i hope sanctum gets some updates so more ppl do it

[full kraken]

right... 100 regals is nearly twice as many as you need

total

[wintry lily]

GGG : MORE DEBUFFS

[full kraken]

so you have outright acknowledged you had more than enough regals

by a massive surplus

[tranquil sedge]

ill look into these hmm

[frigid wedge]

foulborn red nightmare replaces the block mod with fire converted to chaos

[shrewd rock]

I think it's pretty difficult to reasonably finish 36/40 in 1-2 months with the amount of time I'm willing to spend on poe at the current point in my life

[cobalt blade]

no ive stated that a casual player might not get enough regals from constantly getting maps they cant run on a bad build

[wintry lily]

Challenges are not a thing for casuals

[cobalt blade]

and that 100 was well running alch vaaled maps aka good quant

[wintry lily]

Under any assumption

[tranquil sedge]

you should be more specific

40/40 is not

[full kraken]

what are you talking about "constantly getting maps they cant run"

[cobalt blade]

thereforge maybe half that many running alt regaled

[cosmic raptor]

do all monsters have chaos resistance? or why is that so much dmg increase

[cobalt blade]

double tank or double damage mods from bad regals and 8 mod vaal?

[wintry lily]

No, casuals don't look at it, they'll get a few cleared and say "neat"

[tranquil sedge]

challenges literally are designed for casual players though

[wintry lily]

But we literally don't look at it

[full kraken]

do you understand the dichotomy of simultaneously talking about regal'ing maps and also talking about "getting maps you cant run"

[tranquil sedge]

my guy

[wintry lily]

Yes and we STILL don't look at them

[tranquil sedge]

we view them as boxes to check off

for a newer player they're to give direction

like im surprised last epoch still doesnt have fucking seasonal challenges

they're fucking up so bad by not doing that

[full kraken]

Id state the first 30 of them or so

[cobalt blade]

yes and i also understand the casual players build isnt great and will run out of portals doing double dmg mod maps

shrug

[halcyon flicker]

poe2 doesnt have them yet either

[full kraken]

but the last few definitely aint casual targetted

[charred hornet]

The build not bad they just dont understand what their build cant run and bad copying it....like its not build problem it just they dont understand what their build can do

[cobalt blade]

yep

[tranquil sedge]

yea but poe2 is being carried by the poe brand name + ggg hard

[wintry lily]

I've had multiple leagues now where I have like 200div + in various things, maybe did ubers but still have like maybe 10-12 challenges done

[tranquil sedge]

last epoch is floundering

[cosmic raptor]

am i the only one that never does challenges?

[tranquil sedge]

one of them can afford to fuckup and continue fucking up
the other can't

[shrewd rock]

Last epoch is just fucked. Their dev speed is too slow and they dont make enough balance changes to keep their game fresh

[tranquil sedge]

yeah
and public perception of their game + company aint great
and their release cadence is not consistent which really hurts

[full kraken]

I stopped play LE awhile back, I found it boring for now, but in a year or two I might try it again

[tranquil sedge]

i still haven't tried LE

i will....one day

[wintry lily]

Last epoch had their chance 7 years ago

[full kraken]

I found it way to empty/dry a year and a half ago

[tranquil sedge]

i bought it ages ago tho, supporting competition is still good

[halcyon flicker]

i only had a couple hours into LE but I found the art and the pace offputting

[wintry lily]

Now it looks more dated and dull than some fucking Minecraft mod pack

[split palm]

I never even played LE in the end xd

[shrewd rock]

Some of their decisions are great

[tranquil sedge]

bought grim dawn, LE, and i'll buy titan quest 2 if it leaves early access

[shrewd rock]

The way they support ssf

[full kraken]

my main gripe is LE had no "purpose" endgame wise, no "uber" thing to test against

[shrewd rock]

And the way they integrate poelike mechanics

[full kraken]

maybe they have changed that now

[tranquil sedge]

yea there's definitely stuff that'd be very nice to pick up from there

their stash management dude

[shrewd rock]

But a lot of other things are fucked

[full kraken]

but the big issue is LE lacked that "so now what" next step in its endgame

[shrewd rock]

Yeah stash is fucked

[fringe harness]

anyone have a damage and defense scaling guide or tech?
i trying to make my own build it either do average damage/tanky and super glassy or just not tanky enough with zdps

[halcyon flicker]

if it wasnt for LE we wouldnt have had a currency exchange and async trading

[charred hornet]

The game optimization is very sad

[tranquil sedge]

imagine if we had this in poe dude

we could search an item with 3 prefixes by typing 3p

[charred hornet]

Different tree starter different defense tech

[tranquil sedge]

or !1p

or stuff like that

[wintry lily]

Le came out a long time and we still didn't have it, def not it chief

[tranquil sedge]

i want this search update from LE imported into poe so bad lmao

and their stash affinities are far better too

[elfin spire]

How expensive are ward build's generally?
Not min maxing, but to at least comfortably run some content.

[frigid wedge]

what type

[cobalt blade]

max res/block/endu charges for generic defence and dmg is skill dependant/gear dependant

[shrewd rock]

Yeah monoliths are real awful compared to maps and atlas

[full kraken]

imagine damage as a matrix of columns and rows

columns are "Phys" "Elemental" and "Chaos"

Rows are "Attack Hits, Spell Hits, DoTs"

Thus making a 3x3 grid

You want to solve all 9 of the boxes in that grid reasonably with your build

[frigid wedge]

if u mean the infinite iron flask stuff ur lookin at 1mir+

[elfin spire]

I had no idea there types before you asked

[full kraken]

As an example "100% spell suppress" checks off the "spell hits" row

[cobalt blade]

think you meant to say defence here

[frigid wedge]

ward is by default just a type of mitigation

[cosmic raptor]

🤔

[full kraken]

huh?

[frigid wedge]

it can be on most characters if u wanted

[frigid wedge]

srev has lycia conversion

[full kraken]

oh at the start, I guess, I meant "damage you can take"

[cobalt blade]

"imagine damage as a matrix" and then you start talking about defence

[full kraken]

or "damage types" if you will

[full kraken]

Im talking about "types" of damage

[cosmic raptor]

ohh

[rose basalt]

first time mirror drop

[tough cove]

i mean it was pretty clear what he was saying

[cosmic raptor]

congrats bro

[frigid wedge]

ggs

[tranquil sedge]

thats also not my pob tho

[tough cove]

if you know read more than one line of text

[frigid wedge]

ah fun

[tough cove]

grats on the mirror

[cobalt blade]

also yes og sin is bad if your build isnt setup around it lol

[rose basalt]

idk what I want to do with it cause I was probably just going to work on challenges soon and call it a day for the league

[full kraken]

@fringe harness the one box you can sorta ignore but be prepared for it to suddenly rear its head randomly and fuck you up is the "Phys DoT" intersection

its rare and specific but if you dont prep for it, you will instantly melt

[cosmic raptor]

still no mirrorr, not even a lock this league....

[cobalt blade]

ex replacing despair with mark because u dont need res shred

[stark copper]

time to mirror one of jenebu's items and pay him 500div fee

[full kraken]

(and not talking about bleed or corrupted blood, those are both easy to solve)

[stark copper]

gratz

[fringe harness]

i have svalin + definace of destiny setup for generic survival
but then damage is like zero since the tree invest into block chance and 1 hand sword kinda low dps for scaling

[tough cove]

meanwhile im at like 400k on this character and have multiple mirrors (no drops though) and multiple lock drops. the rng nature of poe

[steel light]

what's the command?

[tough cove]

the first and most important layer of damage mitigation in poe is damage output

[cosmic raptor]

/kills

[cobalt blade]

what are you doing for your increased damage scaling flat dmg scaling and crit multi

(also pen/ignore res)

[cosmic raptor]

for that price i expected it to be an exodia item

[steel light]

u're a murderer

[cobalt blade]

i mean you can take mageblood and i ts bad if your build isnt setup around it

[tough cove]

i mean og sin is an exodia item for the right build

[elfin spire]

I'm not spending mirror on anything, hell nah.

[cobalt blade]

if you dont build around item shocker its shit

[tough cove]

just like acceleration shrine is good generally but absurd in projectile builds

[cobalt blade]

spark my beloved

[shrewd rock]

Make a fun build and do your challenges with that build

[frigid wedge]

im in a much smaller server where someone sent this

[shrewd rock]

Make a build you'd normally never play

[cosmic raptor]

i mean true, i guess

[cobalt blade]

16m monsters killed

[shrewd rock]

Like wander or some weird shit

[frigid wedge]

i do wonder

[steel light]

don't think it's possible when u get to pick 4 of those each?

[frigid wedge]

if the crown of undeath lets u track past that

[cosmic raptor]

i dont understand how i have 0 locks this league compared to 2 last league

[tough cove]

surprising me greatly ive only done one build this league (although i swapped it from a slayer to a jugg just for qol on end charges).

[icy zinc]

time to burn some life

[fringe harness]

i'm thinking of petrify blood and that gem that give 2% life as phys at low life + double strike for generic 20% double damage

[tough cove]

and dont really have a huge desire to do another build cause i like this one

[icy zinc]

282 ouchies

[cobalt blade]

if u dont leverage those flasks to change out resistances or what not for damage stats its mid

[tough cove]

282 is pretty easy to mitigate though

[icy zinc]

true

[tough cove]

with as much life as that build will have

[icy zinc]

got 16k life already

[cobalt blade]

+also the sheer amount of builds ive seen on ninja that dont even go for 95% effect flasks

or run dog shit suffixes

[tough cove]

heck the fire resist to regen node alone will out pace that

[cobalt blade]

is way too much

[cosmic raptor]

😭

[icy zinc]

man i wonder whats the odds for triple positive

[tough cove]

i mean i dont have max resists on my build right now. just hasnt proved really necessary

[cobalt blade]

you could use 50+ and not hit 3pos

[icy zinc]

was either reflect my own or get this

[icy zinc]

ggs

[icy zinc]

you know whats odd right

mageblood has 95% eff

[charred hornet]

Wtf

[icy zinc]

which means resist flask is 9% max

hard to get that last 5% eff

[cobalt blade]

its just chest implicit

[icy zinc]

hmm

[elder marlin]

Whats the best way to craft this?

[cobalt blade]

ive done that on builds

[icy zinc]

man its such a blunderbore league tho

[tranquil sedge]

at current mist prices if you specifically needed that, would have been better to just buy that

[cobalt blade]

if ur running mageblood ur not charlathan or shrine build

therefore not blunderbore

[icy zinc]

lets say the crit multi is not needed

[icy zinc]

true.. 41 div

i risked tho i got what i want

[tranquil sedge]

risk it for the biscuit

[charred hornet]

550 flat hp is like half that unique body armour

[cobalt blade]

get double t1 res suff cant be changed reforge minion forces it

but also if trade just buy a decent one

[tranquil sedge]

he'll reflect it with touch

[elder marlin]

Im planning elevate

[cobalt blade]

ah

[icy zinc]

truuuuuuue

[elder marlin]

Reforge chaos or lightning with full suffix guarantee influ mod right?

[cobalt blade]

ye

[icy zinc]

589-594 is the most far a simplex/focused can go

[cobalt blade]

forces desecrated ground

[icy zinc]

this ones kinda insane for doryani prototype tho

like wha

use negative light for your bonus

[cobalt blade]

not +8 D:

[icy zinc]

[full kraken]

is there a way to life stack a doryani build

[cobalt blade]

rathpith

[elder marlin]

I mean the body gives alot of life in life stack build

[icy zinc]

probably not in a traditional sense

[cobalt blade]

life stack im assuming means for dmg scaling

[cosmic raptor]

i thought these would sell good if they went overcap?

[icy zinc]

dory definitely prefers going full es ig

[cobalt blade]

its not qual

thats a 328 with qual

[icy zinc]

marylene is very insane with diamond shrine belt yeah

since both belt and marylene with good volatile orb is cheap

[cosmic raptor]

lemme qual it and see

[icy zinc]

relatively

[cobalt blade]

have fun with tainted catalyst

but ye 20 odd div with qual

[elder marlin]

He need 20 for max value lol

[cobalt blade]

ye

[frigid wedge]

my marylene with am actual corruption implicit has a better crit multi mod

[split palm]

you want a 320% one? xd

[frigid wedge]

i want my all res

[opaque sphinx]

[frigid wedge]

i have 600 crit multi

im good

[cobalt blade]

volatile

[opaque sphinx]

nah we making other build first

[cosmic raptor]

trollege

[elfin spire]

[stark copper]

damn....what the fuck....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HLl9bMEpPI

[cobalt blade]

imagine needing marylenes diamond shrine for crit multi D:

[stark copper]

if he had streamer rng he would have gotten 5 magebloods

[cobalt blade]

embrace overloaded intensity+reflected rings

[cosmic raptor]

i guess we sellin

[frigid wedge]

im just not picking any up bc half the reason i have it is cull

[cobalt blade]

das fair

[cosmic raptor]

bloodlines are back up in price, guess people are done with damnation farm

[icy zinc]

oh god i might die sometime

[cobalt blade]

no

its crit reduction not chance to avoid crits

so its not like suppress where that would be 15% chanceto be 1 shot

[opal ingot]

i had a 90% crit reductoin and i was doing fine on crit maps

though 5% more is pretty big

[cobalt blade]

like 60% feels fine imo for most content

[opal ingot]

i think youll survive just fine

[frigid wedge]

me with 0 crit reduction running crit maps

[cobalt blade]

saaaaame

:3

[opal ingot]

solaris gang

[cobalt blade]

brine king gang since no stun immune

[frigid wedge]

if im gonna die anyway ill die without investing into it

[cobalt blade]

and too much of a pita to get stun immune

[opal ingot]

true it's 10 tattoos, a mageblood suffix, or no evasion for unwavering

[split maple]

Whats the targets for cast and proj speed for Spark for it to 1. Not feel like shit and 2. To feel somewhat decent?

[frigid wedge]

brine king for stun immune and my ONLY ailment immunity

[elfin spire]

For 35c

[elder marlin]

What build uses pacifism????

[cosmic raptor]

i lost fucking 7k ES

[cobalt blade]

accel shrine belt top half build

[opal ingot]

i heard something like binos build

[cosmic raptor]

20 div sir

[elder marlin]

Im playing that atm

[opal ingot]

where dexterity nodes

[elder marlin]

Dont know why they would tho, binos has very good links

[opal ingot]

im playing like bottom left and there's like

[cobalt blade]

imo 4-5x proj speed 8-10 casts per sec post echo

[opal ingot]

one dex node XD

in my tree

[cobalt blade]

same

[split maple]

Need to check if I can bait myself into indigon khatal Spark bait

[frigid wedge]

my build literally has 1 ailment immunity and it's freeze, i be clickin reflect altars

[cobalt blade]

i have to take the 30dex for necrotic/grace

lol

and i have dex on clusters

[split palm]

based tbh

[elfin spire]

I'm joking about "estimated" number from awakening

[split palm]

I click that shit with no freeze immune at leagustart

[cobalt blade]

you might want lower cast speed with indigon tbh

[wintry lily]

Just don't deal fire and lightning dmg and die 4head

[icy zinc]

dedge

[cobalt blade]

but its gonna feel ass getting locked into casts

[elder marlin]

I have freeze, chill, shock, ci, bleed, cb, ignite, crit, curse immune whate else do i need?

[frigid wedge]

i deal every damage type in the game

[elder marlin]

What am i missing?

[cobalt blade]

actually maybe not i guess you do just run laviangas

[split palm]

what build are you even playing? xd

[drowsy eagle]

silence immune

[frigid wedge]

either i die or nothing hits me, this is true for all maps and nothing really changes

[split palm]

is it the orb?

[icy zinc]

[elder marlin]

[frigid wedge]

its a herald build, hydrosphere i just enjoy for extra clear speed

[cobalt blade]

burning ground immune hinder immune brittle/sap/scorch immune

[icy zinc]

ayo thats why 50% crit reduction is so nice on body chest corrupts

[wintry lily]

Just don't die

[frigid wedge]

i dont

[split maple]

Its 0mana cost perma lavianga

[wintry lily]

Perfect

[cosmic raptor]

yeah i guess i forgot about the quali, Naca saved me 🙏

[cobalt blade]

ye i forgot about laviangas for a sec

i realized after

[elder marlin]

I have action speed immune and maybe burning ground if i can be bother getting the pantheon

[cobalt blade]

youd prob just go 8% cast speed clusters lol

[frigid wedge]

my build has 2 immunities

[cobalt blade]

action speed doesnt apply to hinder

[icy zinc]

now how to get reflect immunity thinkge

[cobalt blade]

since its ms

[icy zinc]

[elder marlin]

Brittle scorch sap idk how to get immunity

[frigid wedge]

its literally just freeze and corrupted blood

[cobalt blade]

stormshroud or purity of elements

[frigid wedge]

generic elemental ailment

[cobalt blade]

but yknow crit immune and overcapping gives u brittle/scorch immune effectively

[frigid wedge]

instead of specific

[cobalt blade]

and sap isnt real

[icy zinc]

yeah just forget brittle scorch sap exists

[cobalt blade]

i was just memeing with those lol

[cosmic raptor]

just dont do reduced flask effect maps, learned my lesson

[split palm]

eater implicit + pantheon

[icy zinc]

arctic armour + tempest shield is like 2 immunities already

[split palm]

on chest