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[noble sleet]

Eww jojo?

[spice pecan]

nothing to send, the meme is that poe players never fucking read

and everyone knows this

[hard cliff]

people say this in every community it's literally just a forced reddit meme

[noble sleet]

I look at a skill gem and it’s 4 paragraphs long compared to 2’s lmao

[spice pecan]

they don't say it in every community, at least none that i'm in

[rancid sluice]

theyd rather you make airplane noises with a spoon aimed for their face

[livid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/btd6-jjk-gojo-punch-bloons-gif-12432038309374254600

[spice pecan]

poo2 moves the paragraphs to support gems

[split maple]

One para to explain how it works, the other 3 para a nerf each

[wintry lily]

"Empowered mirage covers the entire map"
"gUys WhAT dOeS ThiS MeaN!?!?"

[proud gorge]

to be fair, its most common in communities with highly technical info printed directly on the item/card/whatever

and when "reading the card explains the card" is valid

[wintry lily]

poe players will get a fucking aneurysm understanding modern ygo cards.

[hybrid harness]

hmm maybe I go astrolabe after all, sushi got a mist and 5d stacks doesnt seem that rare. jackpots could make bland harvest a bid more interesting

[proud gorge]

I don't think anyone in, like, the Hearthstone community complains about the community not knowing how to read, because the info is just genuinely not there

[spice pecan]

"must support a strike skill, and only activates on striking an enemy who is primed for stun, is ignited, and fully armor broken, cannot support slam skills or travel skills, can only be used by a strike that you yourself use"

that was a real support btw

[wintry lily]

Let me know how it turns out cuz I need money again and dont want to touch boxes

[split maple]

"Supports melee strike skills that do not inherently apply Trauma. Cannot support triggered skills, Vaal skills, or skills used by things other than you. Cannot modify the skills of minions."

Not that 1 is that much better in that regard 😄

[spice pecan]

okay, YGO is actually turbofucked in wording even after standardizing PSCT

[proud gorge]

PoE skills all have the info right there, so "why is X not working" the answer is usually "read the item it tells you right there"

[rancid sluice]

we all came from boxes its only normal to seek them out again

[wintry lily]

Sure, but some cards literally explain what they do verbatim, its just that they're very verbose.

[tranquil umbra]

check out Voltester for me it's the funniest card ever

[wintry lily]

Like a hundred + words.

[split maple]

And if it's not writen there you ask around to see it's due to bug thats there for like 14 patches

[proud gorge]

whereas in many other games, "why is X not working" the answer is usually "its because it works weirdly, look it up on the wiki, also nobody really knows we've just tested it to see that it doesn't work in this scenario"

[spice pecan]

yeah but then you have shit like, what's it called, linear algebra cannon or whatever

[compact bronze]

will this work on my perfect guardian turtle?

[sage falcon]

is the item equipped to the turtle

[rancid sluice]

poe is a three monitor problem that i love

[wintry lily]

Honestly wonder if its just translation issue.

Because some cards are written like they're meant to be understood by actual linguists

[compact bronze]

thats an implicit from a ring

[spice pecan]

that isn't the name of the card but it's the infamous math card

[proud gorge]

YuGiOh just has the weird tradition of not keywording anything

[wintry lily]

No I get the name

[sage falcon]

right, which is probably not equipped to the turtle so it doesnt work

[compact bronze]

sad

[proud gorge]

so there's no keywords, no shortcuts, all the rules text is printed right there on the card itself

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-turtles-zombie-kid-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-tortoise-tortuga-gif-16340543

[junior otter]

I don't like berserker

[wintry lily]

could probably lose like 50 words per card with keywords

[rose quail]

Oooh, Yugioh. Bruh sometimes reading the errata for rule clarification was a whole ass word doc

[wintry lily]

But ig they just like wasting ink

[spice pecan]

mtg has been doing this for the last 6 years now too

[junior otter]

Exerts + rage feels like an awkward combination

[elfin spire]

0:13 to maven
killed every other boss in first invitations :/

[proud gorge]

its wild, because you'd think the not keywording anything was a tradition from the manga/anime

[spice pecan]

everything is a keyword because they have to have 5 effects on commons

[junior otter]

One wants you to swing quick and the other slowish

[proud gorge]

but no, the cards in the anime/manga just don't have text on them

[spice pecan]

because they weren't developed with an actual card game in mind

[proud gorge]

the excess verbosity of card descriptions is unique to the OCG

[split maple]

Take war bringer and a few cdr wheels and is rly nonissue

[spice pecan]

which is kinda fucked up to think about

[proud gorge]

its very apparent through gameplay lmao

[spice pecan]

it used to be, till mtg hopped on that train too, tbh

[proud gorge]

"there's no resources, you can just cast as many spells as you have in hand" is exactly the sort of thing someone who isn't designing a game to be played and has very little understanding of card games would design

[spice pecan]

though YGO's send vs discard mechanic is still unmatched in how horribly janky it is to understand

[hybrid harness]

worst part of SA ballista is how much of the gold u miss due to stuff dying behind you

[proud gorge]

lmao

[spice pecan]

and i literally played dark worlds when they came out, so i know what that mech is

[wintry lily]

If I dont see it, it doesn't exist.

[hybrid harness]

lmao tru

[spice pecan]

and i still dont fucking get it 20 years later

[wintry lily]

Lightsworn meanwhile

[spice pecan]

lightsworns my beloved, god i love them

[wintry lily]

Dont even get me started on "Excavate"

[proud gorge]

YGO has had to cobble together something vaguely resembling a resource system over the years, and its still barely there

[spice pecan]

lswulf is still my best friend and i will not explain

[junior otter]

Does the warcry rage mastery work with auto exertion

[proud gorge]

and is also largely invisible

[noble sleet]

Did everyone already give up on trans shock nova?

[spice pecan]

the irony is that the entire game is based around avoiding what little resources are even required in the game

[proud gorge]

no? It's still very highly played

[spice pecan]

negative, i'm deleting everything w/ it

[full kraken]

...misclicked "respawn in town", god... damn...it

[rancid sluice]

just play mtg legacy where theres 5 words on a card and 27 rules for it, solved

[dark sequoia]

How fast is quality stack transfigured creeping frost

[full kraken]

Lions Eye Diamond lol

[spice pecan]

i grinded legacy in tournaments from 2012-2018, dont even talk about legacy to me LMAOO

[rancid sluice]

ooh ive got some friends in here 😉

[spice pecan]

LED and infernal tutor, my beloved

[proud gorge]

Legacy is weird, because its increasingly just Modern but with og duals

[wintry lily]

Me : "tribute summoning"
You : watching your 4k beatstick become my 2.4k beatstick

[spice pecan]

dont ever compare us to modern

[proud gorge]

they keep printing ridiculously pushed cards to force their way into Legacy

[rancid sluice]

ive played sneak and show since its a thing

[spice pecan]

the only fake card i ever got in a trade was a show and tell actually

[proud gorge]

Modern Horizons 2 is when the modern-ification really began

[spice pecan]

-$80 omegalul

[full kraken]

I was a fish player, personally, though I preferred my version using Standstill

[split maple]

Yea

[proud gorge]

like, at this point how many legacy-exclusive cards are even in the average legacy deck?

[spice pecan]

i played esper landstill against miracles in one tournament

and ended with the big jace ult-off

literally 40 minute game 1

[hard cliff]

what flavor

[spice pecan]

read my name

[hard cliff]

SNoP

[full kraken]

pretty sure a lot of the lynchpin "core" parts of legacy decks still use legacy only cards, its just the supporting cast that is more modern, at least for combo and whatnot decks

for tempo and aggro decks I assume they lean way harder into abusing newer stuff

[rancid sluice]

combo whiffs but t1 emrakul .. thats why i play haha

[onyx adder]

Thats a good time unless u lose a lot

In which case its very expensive and depressing

[spice pecan]

the farthest i got was missing out on day2 of a GP due to tiebreakers when i was playing tinfins

i was very not happy

[full kraken]

my favorite game of legacy I ever played was fish vs Alluren, except I had two Phantasmal Images in hand that I could clone their own combo with, and the judge couldnt even figure out the exact stack for who was supposed to win, we had to pull out pen and paper and do math and concluded the player who won was the one who started with the higher life total when the combo hit the board

[spice pecan]

phantasmal image doesn't even interact with layers tho no? should be easy to figure out what happens

seems less complex than blood moon + dryad arbor type shit

[full kraken]

(because my own images can enter for free with flash as copies of their combo, I could effectively copy their own infinite combo at the same time, so we could just keep responding to the other persons infinite combo with our own attempt at it)

[opaque sphinx]

huh ulti is pretty free moni

[onyx adder]

Tbf tinfins is not exactly the purest representation of skill out there

Sometimes ur gonna get unlucky

[spice pecan]

no but it was really fucking funny LMAO

[onyx adder]

At least u have time to spectate between rounds

[spice pecan]

ye, it's bis for getting to actually eat food and shit

[rancid sluice]

this 100%

[spice pecan]

made a dnt player scoop turn 1 cuz he didn't open karakas when he was on the play

[rancid sluice]

sneak and show mobs or falls, get me in or out not a stalemate

[opaque sphinx]

it duped kekw

[onyx adder]

All games over in 37 seconds

[spice pecan]

i also learned the deck from the legend himself, greg mitchell

[onyx adder]

Thats what he gets for not scouting a 500 person GP

[spice pecan]

nah it was g2 and he fucked up lol

[onyx adder]

Sometimes u open karakas they waste it and u scoop t1 anyway

[spice pecan]

true and real

[proud gorge]

okay, looking through things, looks like the main "Legacy Only" cards that show up frequently are: Brainstorm, Daze, Force of Will, Swords to Plowshares, Show and Tell, Sneak Attack, Lotus Petal, Ponder (because it's banned in Modern, despite being printed in Modern), Spirit Guides (also banned), the OG dual lands, Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors

[onyx adder]

Oh typical day 1 gp opponent

[opaque sphinx]

remove life on hit goes thru block right

[spice pecan]

shit was like r7 and i was 5-1, dont remember if he was 6-0 or not

but it was sweaty territory

[proud gorge]

so a lot of Legacy-exclusive mana acceleration, also some overpowered free counterspells, incredibly cheap removal, and Brainstorm

[rancid sluice]

free counters and dig

love it

[proud gorge]

also the whole Show and Tell/Sneak Attack package

[spice pecan]

did legacy sneak and show play kikijiki? seattle didnt have a ton of sns players tbh

[rancid sluice]

no

[spice pecan]

everyone was playing storm/dnt/miracles

[proud gorge]

I'm looking at the current SnS list, so the current list doesn't yeah

[spice pecan]

and i went to like 5 different locals a week

[full kraken]

I had a modern mtg deck I used to play that only worked in MTGO, no other format, because in MTGO when a player times out they lose the entire round, and I would have many tourns Id win a round 0-0 because my opponent timed out

The deck's whole goal was just preying on the fact lots of modern decks only ran a very small handful of cards that could actively win the game, so if I removed those, they couldnt actually win, just keep drawing, but many opponents wouldnt connect the dots this had happened and theyd keep drawing and drawing but never be able to win

[ebon hatch]

seeing even Zizaran shitting on new map device… music to my ears. really horrendous at first, doesn’t get much better with atlas progression

[proud gorge]

modern SnS is just Omni, Atraxia, Emrakul

usually one Griselbrand

[rancid sluice]

SNS wants to win out long before kiki is copying baddies

[spice pecan]

right, i didnt remember if they cheated out kiki to cheat something else out or w/e

[full kraken]

effectively just running all the "search library, remove from game" effects like surgical extracton

After even like, 4 extractions the opponents deck starts to just draw a lot of dead cards and they waste all their time durdling while I hold down F6

[rancid sluice]

if you go that long in SNS youve lost

[spice pecan]

i mean omnitell was a deck

which was a much bulkier playstyle

[rancid sluice]

i still have omni in mine, but im a dinosaur

[full kraken]

Tried playing it in paper once, the judge asked me kindly to never play that deck again because it was a rules nightmare (did you know when you search an opponents library, you are allowed to show the opponent their own library?)

[proud gorge]

I mean, they definitely run omni, because with the amount of draw and payoffs, Omni resolving basically wins the game

[rancid sluice]

it goes off its done

[proud gorge]

not next turn, but immediately

[spice pecan]

yeah i mean you play your entire deck once omni hits the field

i remember one guy who played omnitell who decided to use brain freeze as his wincon tho, shit was funny

[eternal reef]

i need a stash sale

[rancid sluice]

i havent played in a minute i can only imagine what that deck is worth now lol. never sell. fuck flippers

[proud gorge]

plus, omni lets you get around a lot of creature-based removal that the opponent could put into play off your Show and Tell

or just cast off rip

[spice pecan]

ye the only enchant removal at the time for >2cmc was qasali pridemage and that was only played by maverick, which was a niche deck

[proud gorge]

I don't think anybody's really running enchantment removal these days

there's, what, Brazen Borrower I guess?

[spice pecan]

man, i had so much fun with vial maverick

another 40+ minute game 1 mirror match deck

[rancid sluice]

my sns is all originals, no reprints. its on a shelf lol

[spice pecan]

liked it way more than greensun mav

[proud gorge]

I guess you could Pyroblast an Omniscience? But by that point it's probably too late

[noble sleet]

Do yall find ele hit fun as a melee skill? I see it’s the second most popular right now

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, there's the rare Wear//Tear sideboard

[spice pecan]

vintage omni played shit like form of the dragon, idr what legacy omni did outside of draw spells + brain freeze/emrakul shit

wear//tear such a goated card

[spice pecan]

wait, this was vintage esper rector, which pulled omni to then pull form of the dragon, different deck my bad

very fun deck tho, 4x null rod vintage decks were so much fun before null rod went up to $200/ea

[proud gorge]

its alright. It has incredible clear at low investment, one of the best clear skills for melee, and also very good range with Sione's, to the point where it's a ""melee"" skill. But my biggest issue with ehit is that it does require investment to get survivability.

Like, it's a great build when decently invested, but at lower investment it has clear, but lacks a lot of survivability

[spice pecan]

screenwide aoe on 2c budget, has an actual real build guide

say what you will about rue but his builds are objectively good for the most part

[proud gorge]

its fast, clears well, does all content

[spice pecan]

and he does a decent enough job at explaining things throughout the build process

[noble sleet]

It’s always survability /: hmm I’ve noticed in Poe 1, is survability more of a conscious decision and downtime to be aware of compared to two?

[spice pecan]

well, it's a slayer

so you are immortal while you hit stuff

[drowsy eagle]

elehit is fun in a dark room with maximum screen brightness

[noble sleet]

Ohh damn so this really isn’t a joke lol

[spice pecan]

and you are omega dead if you aren't hitting stuff

[spice pecan]

first multimirror build i played was his aurabot + merc setup in 3.26

[noble sleet]

Ohh I heard tht from lily like you NEED to hit at least SOMETHING

[spice pecan]

yes, slayer is turbo dead if you arent leeching

[proud gorge]

the big difference is that in PoE1, since you get 6 portals a map, a lot of softcore players play a lot more fast and loose with the concept of death

[spice pecan]

but if you are leeching, you should not be dying

[proud gorge]

also, scalings are very different between the two games

[rancid sluice]

theres a lot of builds in different clasees that require leech. fast aps plus lgoh is nasty

[spice pecan]

slayer having built in overleech and frenzy+endu generation makes it giga tanky when hitting

[proud gorge]

enemies in PoE2 tend to hit harder, but be a lot squishier, so you can usually very easily full screen clear enemies, but if you don't you often just die regardless of defensive investment

[spice pecan]

also fundamentally building your character is completely different here, your passive tree in poe1 matters WAY more than it does in poe2

[proud gorge]

whereas in PoE, where enemies tend to be tankier but also hit less hard, you can very reasonably build a very defensive build that doesn't die to most anything, or a very fast and very high damage build that clears everything

[noble sleet]

Yeah I’ve been looking at rue and omg it’s just just stupid with that shrine he’s running lol. It’s so overkill in terms of AOE lmao. He has the massive shrine with resonating plus gull. It looks FUN tho lol

[proud gorge]

but a low damage build that's also squishy is going to suffer

[spice pecan]

i mean shrine belt is like, way down the line

watch his day 1/day 2 videos for more realistic footage

[proud gorge]

also, Massive Shrine honestly barely affects the AoE on ehit

[drowsy eagle]

you have been choosing builds since league start how about actual playing

[proud gorge]

you already have plenty of AoE to fullscreen even on zero investment, with just the slayer notable

[noble sleet]

But I enjoy typing more lol. I gotta play d4, last epoch, poe 1, 2, no rest for wicked LOL

[proud gorge]

Massive Shrine helps AoE, sure, but you easily fullscreen without it anyways

[noble sleet]

I know it just looks fun

Looks like a Skyrim giant

[rancid sluice]

dunno about d4 but le content is way dated, poe2 is dated .. bang whats current

[proud gorge]

the main benefit of the Massive Shrine is giving you extra hp on a build that is generally pretty starved for max life

the AoE radius is just a nice bonus

[onyx adder]

Ive had opponents walk creatures into the same onboard trick two turns in a row at 5-1 in a limited GP, these things were not an environment where the average individual was a rocket scientist

[noble sleet]

I wonder how much extra hp he gets from it with GULL. A chunky amount of damn health. An uhh imagine if resonating shrine didn’t get nerfed lol

[noble sleet]

Titan quest two

[rancid sluice]

ill pass on that but i play the rest

[proud gorge]

40% increased max life, scaled to 1.45 by gull, so it's, like, 58% increased max life

no wait gull is 75% increased effect

[noble sleet]

I’ve really been liking no rest I got two friends in that lol.

[rancid sluice]

poe1 pc, poe2 ps5, le steam deck, and i just rotate leagues

[proud gorge]

so that's 70% increased max life

70% increased max life is very good

[noble sleet]

I might get a 90% gull honestly lol

[proud gorge]

uh, will you?

[noble sleet]

Yeah I like the sound of CHUNKY life

[noble sleet]

Depends on price

[proud gorge]

how much money do you got

[rancid sluice]

tree fiddy

[noble sleet]

What

If it’s a mirror I’m out

[split maple]

how much money does your sugar daddy have?

[proud gorge]

not a mirror, honestly 91% is surprisingly achievable

[noble sleet]

Daddies plural

[split maple]

huh thats surprisingly reasonable

[drowsy eagle]

you can just wait until week 8 and yoink a mageblood from your guild stash

[noble sleet]

That’s not bad for 30 divs right? 90%?? Lmao

[livid lark]

if you have 2 of the same type cluster jewels that grant the same skills, do they cancel each other out or do you get the skill effects like let's say 6% attack speed from both

[proud gorge]

there's a huge jump between 91% and 92% though

I assume 92% is a breakpoint somehow

[split maple]

does overcorrupt scale duration for which you get buff on hh, inspired learning?

[split maple]

they do stack

[proud gorge]

still, 70 div for 92% isn't too bad

[noble sleet]

Yall said ele hit has amazing clear at low investment right but what about single target for bosses?

[noble sleet]

Uhh I guess

[proud gorge]

that's, like, 40% of a Mageblood

43.75% of a Mageblood actually

[proud gorge]

I mean, it's alright I guess

decent enough, at low investment, especially with your Slayer leech keeping you up

but once you have, like, mid-tier investment, it hits pretty hard

[noble sleet]

Ohh I likeyy

I’m a melee main

[tranquil sedge]

true but i imagine for most ppl this is gonna be mutually exclusive with mageblood

and their belt is also gonna be $$

[opaque sphinx]

neat

[karmic gust]

if you do penance mark it has stupid single target as well

[rich cove]

help a complete noob pick which wand to get, i have 0 idea which 1 is better

going kf totem ofc

[karmic gust]

they are both garbage surely you can make better one with few essences for a divine

[rich cove]

u think so?

ok sure

just spam essence until i hit cold?

[karmic gust]

well first one is just essence and t3 flat rolled with it

and bunch of worthless mods

and sceond one is cheap ass fracture doing same thing

[opaque sphinx]

its just free money dude

[karmic gust]

you just buy the cheapest essence from the 3 flats and yea try to hit second flat

maybe look for some cheap fractured bases as well

and do it on those

[rich cove]

got it, thank you

[spice pecan]

hey real talk, can we fix the turbo aggressive namelocking on new shock nova

like this skill automatically targets unique/rare mobs instantly

feels like ass when you have multiple rares/uniques on screen, can't even spam the skill into the wall without releasing it and pressing it again

[short prairie]

bis for scion flicker

[livid quarry]

u played flicker already

[short prairie]

wait nvm no armor

[spice pecan]

magefist still wants farruls for glad flicker, bronns seems like a noob trap tbh

[livid quarry]

why scion

[short prairie]

brass dome not gonna be benefiting this

[livid quarry]

frenzy aint even a problem in maps

and if u flicker uber might stay in degen so change skills

[spice pecan]

yeah, i think bronns is worse than farruls in like every case

[short prairie]

scion flicker gets terminus est automatically

[spice pecan]

i still think you want overcharge gen esp on scav, imo

[karmic gust]

why not just use real chest instead

like if you dont need farruls surely that would mean that you can actually use defensive chest

[spice pecan]

db publicly airing out he's never played flicker

[livid quarry]

u dont need farrul for mapping

[blazing spear]

Lose it…it means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of one's faculties, three fries short of a happy meal…WACKO!

[spice pecan]

i had a stroke reading this

[opaque sphinx]

neat

[karmic gust]

im pretty open about my disdain for flicker builds :d

[spice pecan]

ayo db, when flicker pf

[short prairie]

defense? on flicker?

[karmic gust]

but i do made some functional flicker builds before

and i would never put bronns on any of them :d

[blazing spear]

bonus points if you get the reference

you use replica farruls

[spice pecan]

thats exactly what im saying, use farruls

[livid quarry]

scion lacks dmg to melt uber so flicker even worse on her if u going for frenzy gen

[karmic gust]

if flicker did not sucked with poison could be a fun meme but it does

[blazing spear]

also, abyssus on flicky

[spice pecan]

dude whenever i see ppl making poison flicker i feel so bad for them

[onyx adder]

Master distiller flicker coward

[short prairie]

posion flicker of power assassin exists

[karmic gust]

yea just like worb builds exist

[spice pecan]

common WTD based comment

[final owl]

flicker and damage over time. kek

[livid quarry]

whats the point of frenzy gen for flicker if u have to stand in degen that blocks all healing

[karmic gust]

i think ppl underrate how badly dots function with auto target skills in general

[onyx adder]

I think the fastest i ever deleted a character was bleed vaal flicker

[karmic gust]

i got baited into build that has issues with that once and im never doing it again

actually i got baited twice nvm

i just forgot the second time

[onyx adder]

I killed one (1) map boss and deleted character

[spice pecan]

can you explain how to memory erase

because i would like to do that too

[karmic gust]

https://giphy.com/gifs/will-smith-mib-BkfAhfmX0Ppn2

done you are welcome

[onyx adder]

Hey man people play poison fross and shit

[spice pecan]

also, unrelated, but wtf is this pause gfx error in atziri maps?

[ocean field]

finally something decent

[livid quarry]

oh wait i remember that guy hasnt tried playing flicker without farrul

[karmic gust]

yea and every single one of those ppl complains about clear speed :d

[spice pecan]

do not mention b*rth

[noble sleet]

Do yall still consider resonating shrine op even after some of the nerfs?

[spice pecan]

reso shrine caused me to get server kicked day 1-3

[livid quarry]

as a flicker player a huge lean toward not worth

[noble sleet]

Exterminate

[spice pecan]

so uh, no, that is a debuff to me lmao

i hit tick cap on cast speed a long time ago

[livid quarry]

havented pob it but frenzy gen only neccessary when uber

outside of blood rage

[junior otter]

Is auto exerting generals cry just to get lots of rage gen and recent warcries worth

[spice pecan]

autoexert gen cry is literally just for overexert support

also why the fuck is carn posting rip clips of him playing slams when he's using 0 qual earthshatter

[junior otter]

But it still counts

[zenith leaf]

i forgot so in betrayal. lets say cameria shows up. and she has a chance to bring in reinforcements, lets say she has 4 red lines. is it each one has a chance to come. or she brings all or nothing.

[spice pecan]

earthshitter is unplayable below 20 qual, everyone knows this, why is he spamming clips of <20q earthshitter

[split maple]

on earthshitter its more to pop the spikes

[noble sleet]

Earth shitter lol

[split maple]

like its low cdr warcry

[spice pecan]

yea sry

you autoexert gen cry to pop earthshitter spikes, my bad

i played the build and already forgot xdd

[opaque sphinx]

neat

[spice pecan]

still, im getting fucking ragebaited by carn playing 0 qual earthshitter

[opal ingot]

fracturing being less than a divine is a godsend

[karmic gust]

ha the neuralyzer worked

[spice pecan]

i fucking hate slams, they are boring as shit and also braindead

[karmic gust]

no disagreement there :d

[spice pecan]

played it one (1) time and understood why i hated it

[junior otter]

All Poe gameplay is braindead

[karmic gust]

but you can bebraindead while playing fun skills instead

[spice pecan]

tell that to wardloop enjoyers who spend literally 80% of their time on cwdt.calc

[noble sleet]

This how I feel about totems

[junior otter]

this is not gameplay

[spice pecan]

totems are infinitely more robust, you're just tainted by how many CCs are pushing KF totems

[noble sleet]

I need totem rolling magma build

[spice pecan]

the other 20% of their time is spent dead due to mana donut or temp bubble rares

[livid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/road-rage-traffic-gif-13904928

play cyclone

[spice pecan]

double delay, no thanks

[noble sleet]

Lmao

[spice pecan]

playable with nimis and slower proj maybe

but there are infinitely better spell totem builds you could be playing instead

and if you're going nimis and slower proj route, literally just play str stack msoz lol

[wintry lily]

sir flameblast is also double delay

[karmic gust]

you def dont want to play totems with rolling magma i think

[wintry lily]

but definitely not with morb

[spice pecan]

flameblast of celerity is not

[karmic gust]

because the skill just misses if stuff starts running at the totems

[wintry lily]

because the way the totems aim with it is shit

[karmic gust]

and then totems cant even hit point blank

similar issue to worb totems

[wintry lily]

ye

[karmic gust]

but even worse

[wintry lily]

assuming the enemies stand perfectly still it aims with the first hit only

[spice pecan]

flameblast of celerity totems were the most free 4stone i've ever done

[wintry lily]

when everyone and their mother wants morb to bounce like 5 times

[tranquil sedge]

i dont think people care about slower proj speed on msoz anymore do they

[leaden quiver]

Ward is so busted now I cant

[karmic gust]

well returns hit 100% of the time so not really

[leaden quiver]

250d for a proper timeless xd

[karmic gust]

but you need nimis

[crisp obsidian]

I need progenesis

[noble sleet]

I miss Vaal lightning strike

[crisp obsidian]

zzzzzz

[leaden quiver]

I need pregnantis

[stone wing]

I'm not sure how to go further with my relic of the pact build :(

[leaden quiver]

Apostate

Dissolution

[spice pecan]

VLS with the dagger enchant did unholy things to the servers

[naive turret]

The filter blade is not working, whenever I reload the filter I get this:

[karmic gust]

i was making this for pob earlier today so i can check all sockets easily :d

[stone wing]

Good job, you listed the basic items for it :p

[crisp obsidian]

stop trying to load poe2 filter into poe1 lol

[surreal musk]

adorned is kinda the end game of all lifestack builds

[leaden quiver]

It is as simple as that

[naive turret]

OUCH I didnt know my bad thx thx

[leaden quiver]

You just do that + adorned

[stone wing]

You don't pay my sub

[leaden quiver]

• high es gear

[spice pecan]

fellow poopbutts enjoyer

[crisp obsidian]

huhhh

[leaden quiver]

Dw theyre instantly sniped

[leaden quiver]

Everyone more into thr game knew how broken ward is

This shit is ridiculous

That they added an item like this

[spice pecan]

btw this is what happens if you pause for 10 mins in an atziri

[crisp obsidian]

what did they add

[karmic gust]

noone is going to actually play builds with this anyway

[crisp obsidian]

I haven't paid attention to ward

[leaden quiver]

A way to refresh ward on hit

[gentle chasm]

yea they did something to particles

[leaden quiver]

So you have permanent ward

[karmic gust]

its just turbo scuffed to make

[gentle chasm]

mirage is the same

[leaden quiver]

Is it

[karmic gust]

and locks you out of half of your gear

[spice pecan]

yea i also get this in mirages

[leaden quiver]

But you are immortal db

Thats worth anything

[crisp obsidian]

it existed already no?

[leaden quiver]

You can do valdos

[leaden quiver]

When hit* sorry

[karmic gust]

well you are still very vulnerable to dots

[crisp obsidian]

ahh

[leaden quiver]

You get hit, proc iron flask and refresh ward after

[leaden quiver]

50% node and life flask pf

No vulnerability

[spice pecan]

you have 1 for 1 the same problems that wardloopers have

which are crippling

[leaden quiver]

What

[karmic gust]

nah wardloopers have shit max hits

[spice pecan]

you have a few more suffixes to solve them tho

[karmic gust]

its not even reemotely same problems

[spice pecan]

it is, you still lose your chest and belt

[karmic gust]

well yea as far as the locked out slots goes its similar

[spice pecan]

and your helm unless you dont need faithguard

[leaden quiver]

what is the problem

you are unkillable for valdos

[spice pecan]

the problem is that you are restricted on prefixes and you don't even have a lot of prefixes to begin with

[leaden quiver]

hello i have a 50k max hit and 50% less dot taken and a permanent life flask

durr

[leaden quiver]

what prefixes do you need

you have effectively unbreakable ward

[opaque sphinx]

[leaden quiver]

and then ward = life for your max hits

[karmic gust]

btw you probs dont want to rely on life flask for this, the main reason why pf isnt even played for valdos is because thiefs grip is absolute garbage of a modifier

[spice pecan]

olroth's already gave unbreakable ward, you have negative max hit with or without it

[sullen nacelle]

love this league, in SSF yet managed to get a new record of progression. other than having beat a few conquerers in one other league when i was in trade and did a couple conquerers

[crisp obsidian]

yeah you def don't want to play pf in valdos lmao

[leaden quiver]

yeah this might be something to do with it

[spice pecan]

tho you dont need to have negative chaos res so i guess your chaos max hit goes up

[leaden quiver]

idk you can just avoid the tormented mod

and do any other difficult valdos

[crisp obsidian]

until one random spirit

appears and destroys you

[leaden quiver]

i dont think theres any build that plays around thiefs grip

effectively

[gritty epoch]

????

[spice pecan]

yeah you are just trading mechs that insta delete you

[leaden quiver]

that can also do any other valdo mod

[karmic gust]

you can but you can also just go jugg right and get regen, also all the damage that goes to ward counts as prevented physical damage

[karmic gust]

is probs better

[hybrid harness]

3 mirrors seems cheap?

[spice pecan]

like you dont insta explode to mana donut/temp bubble, but you insta explode to other shit instead

[surreal musk]

3 mirros is cheap

[crisp obsidian]

well 5 flask is not that much better for most builds((cause most builds are attack builds))

[livid quarry]

whats the 5th flask?

[full kraken]

So it is possible

[gentle chasm]

3 mirrors just so you cant use a unique flask

[livid quarry]

i rather use tincture or progensis

[hybrid harness]

I know but its such a rare fucking item and 5 magic flasks is still good on like ES builds

[gritty epoch]

it says "at least T2" not "at most T2"

[hybrid harness]

3 mirr should be sold insta by someone with livesearch imo

[wintry lily]

Remember, tiers for harvest mob goes from grey > white > blue > then unique

[wintry lily]

at least t2 means it cannot go below t2.

because it will at least be t2.

[gritty epoch]

isnt the white ones t1

[wintry lily]

No.

[karmic gust]

not always good on ES builds still

[wintry lily]

Grey is t1.

White is t2.

[grand flint]

thoughts on ruetoo ele hit slayer? i kinda wanna try it

[karmic gust]

like its good specifically if you dont want bottled or the explody flask

or wine of prophet

[gritty epoch]

ahh

[karmic gust]

but most builds do want those right

spellcasters

[spice pecan]

also this completely ignores the fact that you take damage that is less than 15% of unbroken ward, which means scaling your ward higher removes your defense

[wintry lily]

@gritty epoch example

T3 is a muted gray

[gritty epoch]

got it

[surreal musk]

it divines it, 50% chance to boom, so its a 1/6 to hit 4 flask and not boom, then it has to roll in the top 30% of its range from -22% to +22% , so another 1/3 roughly so 1/18 in total to hit 5 flask mb

[karmic gust]

its kinda hard sell

[full kraken]

Minion builds maybe?

[hybrid harness]

yea but lets be honest what would u rather have over +1 mb flask if ur ES. no progen so what even is there

[karmic gust]

yea for minion builds its probs best

[spice pecan]

so have fun scaling your ward for anything that isnt maven slam

[full kraken]

I feel like minions would use 5x mb flasks

[wintry lily]

I can understand why its hard to notice at first pass tho

[hybrid harness]

I guess dying sun if ur kb maybe idk

[karmic gust]

most of ppl use wine theree

not saying wine is good flask

[leaden quiver]

you are not using this node

[hybrid harness]

fuck wine, meme item

[karmic gust]

because its dogshi

[leaden quiver]

if you ahve permanent ward

[karmic gust]

but people really believee in that item

[leaden quiver]

i dont think you know what build we are talking about

[karmic gust]

for whatever reason

[leaden quiver]

and I'll just stop this discussion

[spice pecan]

is that node not 50% more ward or am i braindead?

[full kraken]

How much do yall think crit+res shrine belts will end up going for as supply picks up

[spice pecan]

in what universe do you not click that when you're using 25% of your ward for flat cold?

[full kraken]

1 mir?

[leaden quiver]

its increased ward from eq, 40%

[spice pecan]

am i actually missing something here

[leaden quiver]

doesnt count ynda's

which is the big issue with it

since yndas is just ridiculously broken xd

[karmic gust]

yndas shouldnt rly exist ngl

[leaden quiver]

especialyl with overvaals

[spice pecan]

uh, it should absolutely count after ynda's, no?

[leaden quiver]

agreed

[karmic gust]

its not broken, ward just doesnt havve support

[hybrid harness]

o shi

[leaden quiver]

nope

[spice pecan]

it's multiplicative

wtf?

[karmic gust]

they could've made normal ward chest base insteaed

[leaden quiver]

exactly

[karmic gust]

but like base game support for ward is absolute dogshit

[bold kelp]

Is breach still the best exp farm right now?

[spice pecan]

oh, it's additive

[karmic gust]

and you have to go through 5 hoops to even play it

[spice pecan]

okay nvm i'm actually stupid, my bad

[leaden quiver]

nah

[karmic gust]

it being one of 4 base defenses you get from items

[leaden quiver]

its pretty good now

[karmic gust]

its absolute meme

[leaden quiver]

with the new timeless

[karmic gust]

well the new timeless isnt base game

[wintry lily]

@gritty epoch t3 vs t2

[spice pecan]

my bad, i'm stupid, i thought it was multiplicative

[wintry lily]

Not even a joke.

[karmic gust]

base game means any good support on actual iteem bases

and tree

[lucid kiln]

[bold kelp]

I rmb when ward came out, ward wasnt even defense tagged. So I couldnt craft ward stuff for my nightgrip SA build aside from literally chaos spamming

Actual fucking joke.

So I chaos spammed like 1k+ on ward bases to get ward prefixes

[karmic gust]

and the timeless drops only from mirage exped too doesnt it so its not even core

[spice pecan]

but even still, didn't you want to path down int and run supreme ostentation + es tats + staff mastery like a traditional wardlooper?

[brazen vector]

Just one tap it

[wintry lily]

Obviously tho this is background vs foreground, which isn't exactly the same.

[gritty epoch]

to me its grey or whiter grey = bad, easy for my brain

[karmic gust]

or is it actually core

[full kraken]

spawns dead center in your first harvest patch

[brazen vector]

[tranquil sedge]

why chaos spamming

[lucid kiln]

[livid quarry]

no def tag

[tranquil sedge]

?? wat

[bold kelp]

It wasnt defense tagged when ward came out. How else could you craft it xD

[karmic gust]

but either way that would still be like you cant play ES builds until you use lethal pride or some shit

so bad

[tranquil sedge]

oh this is old story not something you just did? mb

[spice pecan]

30 minutes paused, how long will it take for the screen to go totally black

[bold kelp]

ye

[full kraken]

Sorta but in wards defense, its not a "core" defense stat in the global drop pool or even on the tree, so I dunno if its fair to compare it to anything else

[karmic gust]

well it has its own dedicated bases with own mod pools

[gritty epoch]

SIR WE FOUND THE CULPRIT FOR SERVER LAG

[karmic gust]

its as core as evasion or armour

in my eyes

they just did not bothered to ever flesh it out

[full kraken]

Like I think its okay for a weird optional esoteric option to exist that ppl can deep dive into

[spice pecan]

fortunately im on cali which is immune to the server issues that everyone else has

[karmic gust]

it even has bunch of uniques to go with it

[lilac parcel]

ca we change this maps to an other ? it used to be with orb of horizon

[full kraken]

Ward gear isnt in the global drop pool, and there isnt any ward nodes on the tree, nor any ascendancies that refer to it

[crisp obsidian]

oh my god I just thought of the most insane mapping strat ever, now I just need actual damage and defences

[full kraken]

Don't 100% of them come from kalguur extra content?

[karmic gust]

no

[spice pecan]

sirgog viewers after 20 hours since his last mapping vid:

[full kraken]

IDs magic items and sells them for 1c bulk

[crisp obsidian]

imagine watching youtubers

cringe

[spice pecan]

imagine changing pixel colors

cringe

[karmic gust]

and well that is what im referring to as them never bothering to actually flesh it out

but they added bunch of global defenses stuff for it on tree and that was 100% aimed at ward

[noble sleet]

I think I’m gonna get fat

[karmic gust]

there is also dedicated ward bloodlinebut its just extra content stacked on top of extra content

but baseline ward is just so unusable

[steel light]

finally found the exit 🤢

[full kraken]

That bloodline is the same content tho tbh

[fossil mural]

Blessing orb

[steel light]

gets one shot by boss cause of debuff
it sticks after death, shit boss mech without reading up 🚮

[crisp obsidian]

I think destructive play is giga insane this league, the scarabs are so good

[teal goblet]

I love bubblegum

[cosmic eagle]

fix your filter sir

[teal goblet]

I am using neversink's "strict" filter

I guess I need "very strict"

And INeversink needs to rename his filters

[cosmic eagle]

customize it, it would be much more nice to look at

[karmic gust]

well its still strict compared to what showsby default :d

[bold kelp]

"uber" strict hides everything under an alch..... An alch.......

[cosmic eagle]

add your uwu sound drops too to spice up your mapping

[bold kelp]

Not exactly "uber" strict is it

[simple stag]

Proof of concept realized, CWS Frostguardian a tanky AFK aurabot that can actually help with damage!... Now it just needs more. Damage. And Mana. Lots more

[crisp obsidian]

I wonder if gruthkuls pelt disables teleport back in mirage

as it counts as a spell

[karmic gust]

it does? lol

so its proccing manastomr?

[crisp obsidian]

ye I lose all my mana when I click it xdd

[karmic gust]

lmao

[fossil mural]

It looks like portal animation

Reuse

[wintry lily]

for whatever reason it has a cast animation and you can be stunned out of the mirage portal back

[fossil mural]

😩

[wintry lily]

Which means its treated like portal

[loud geyser]

.....i just realized i haven't done my 3rd asc after completing campaign

[dreamy crane]

im trying to figure out why my assasins mark isnt workingn with mark on hitr

?any ideas

[bold kelp]

do you have enough mana?

[fossil mural]

Do you have the mana

[bold kelp]

Are you using an attack?

Is it linked?

[dreamy crane]

i think

[loud geyser]

no hold up

[dreamy crane]

im using cyclone

[crisp obsidian]

I wish I didn't die to minotaur in onehit zz

[bold kelp]

check the mana cost of assassins mark

[loud geyser]

are u using any other curse skills

[karmic gust]

have you tried dodging smh

[loud geyser]

or other marks

[fossil mural]

Stop talking

Like

That

[crisp obsidian]

well you know portal placing and such

[loud geyser]

☹️ some people think as they type some think after

[cosmic eagle]

[dreamy crane]

NO

i have mark on hit linked with assasins marksd

[fossil mural]

People usually link marks to lifetap cause they reserve all mana and spells cost a lot

[dreamy crane]

my assasins mark is lvl 2

[loud geyser]

ok

can u screenshot ur mana rq

[dreamy crane]

my mark on hit is lvl 20

caps lock

[soft laurel]

for some reason I remember that there are twitch drops, am I imagining?

[fossil mural]

There was

[loud geyser]

oh fuck are there still

[fossil mural]

Probably not?

[loud geyser]

[onyx adder]

Couple of potential reasons, easiest to just link build

[fossil mural]

Actually maybe, its been less than a week

[loud geyser]

nah there are

[dreamy crane]

my screenshot isnt wokring

]

i have 660 mana

and like 20 percent unreserved

[onyx adder]

Ok, link build

[dreamy crane]

how?

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-19451148

[covert swan]

To link your profile, log in to the website and follow these steps https://puu.sh/v17at/5ee63f8fb9.mp4

Then, copy paste the current URL at the top of your browser window, and paste it here.

--

To link to specific characters: use the following format
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[crisp obsidian]

132 mana, you use some of that to use cyclone and mark on hit easily costs enough

to not proc

so I am gonna guess mana problems

[fossil mural]

He says its level 2 mark. Shouldnt they be cheap

[dreamy crane]

my cyclone is on lifetap

[grizzled lily]

how to automate curses while using spellls

[dreamy crane]

using hiltless 6 link

[crisp obsidian]

do you have another curse

[grizzled lily]

is it just arcanist brand

[bold kelp]

On hit gloves/rings. Arcanist brand

[fossil mural]

On hit, hextouch

[grizzled lily]

FUCK

[stable pumice]

My cyclone has no mana cost

[grizzled lily]

i hate it when i have to deal with the jungroan special

the arcanist brand special

[coral summit]

so is literally every uber boss this league just money loss on average or am I insane

[fossil mural]

Cwdt curses trust

[onyx adder]

Depends on the curse and what u want it for

[bold kelp]

Isnt every uber boss this league money gain because the invites are so dirt cheap?

[coral summit]

nobody is farming citadel so uber shaper frag prices are dumb as shit and the drops are like

[fossil mural]

People made mirrors already from them, now it might be shit

[tranquil sedge]

well u could get curses automated with on-hit rings/gloves like theo ther guy said

and arcanist brand if u have more than one curse, and u want them all up on super tanky bosses/rares

[dreamy crane]

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/HighCLassFIlth-0884

[onyx adder]

Arcanist brand is almost always dogwater for automating curses

[stable pumice]

When was last time you made mtx purchase or any purchase

[indigo crypt]

guys how long usually the mail will come? ive waited for 20mins

[coral summit]

not as much LOL

[dreamy crane]

does that wor?k

[gritty epoch]

Imbue arcanist brand with more duration support

[stable pumice]

Usually it is instant

[gritty epoch]

Check spam folder

[coral summit]

nearly 2d to enter uber shaper and average returns not including sublimes are less than that lmao

[indigo crypt]

nothing in it

[stable pumice]

Did you check your spams? XD

[tranquil sedge]

lads
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1rrjnoo/5_flask_mageblood_is_real/

[coral summit]

and that was the uber boss that used to just be stable money

[onyx adder]

Arcanist brand is unfortunately almost as slow as just manual casting two curses and u dont get a meaningful amount of extra duration either because its so short

[fossil mural]

Still worse than screams smh

[stable pumice]

Already was known beforehand

[gritty epoch]

Wtff

[dreamy crane]

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/HighCLassFIlth-0884/characters

[tranquil sedge]

yes, but confirmation is still nice 😛

[wintry lily]

where's foulborn 5 flaskblood

[grizzled lily]

im playing the mew shocknova and i dont have a curse onhit, i had the unique shield that gave enfeeble

[stable pumice]

True

[bold kelp]

Arcanist brand is 1 less input from the user

[tranquil sedge]

its more expensive than you might expect and less useful than you might think xd

[indigo crypt]

literally nothing

[dreamy crane]

did i link it correctly?\

[onyx adder]

Account private

[tranquil sedge]

because using a 5th utility means not using a progenesis or other unique flask

[stable pumice]

I mean 5 flasks is better than 4 xD

[grizzled lily]

should i swap my gloves for the unique gloves that every manaman uses and corrupt them for ele weakness

[bold kelp]

Im so fucking lazy i'm literally arcanist branding wall of fire and assassins mark

[tranquil sedge]

see my msg above urs

[dreamy crane]

how do i make it public?

[onyx adder]

Link is correct but u need to unprivate ur account in settings

[stable pumice]

Ik, just not everyone needs unique lol

It would be very base specific belt

[tranquil sedge]

sure in that case yes, strict upgrade

but i imagine thats the minority

[bold kelp]

what gloves does every mana man use? o.o

[stable pumice]

Oh for sure

[dreamy crane]

im tryna figure it out one sec

[fossil mural]

Sure why not

[crisp obsidian]

need to get it higher 😭 my mana recover is not enough yet

[onyx adder]

Wtf dude thats actual negative value

[tranquil sedge]

wheres ur pob, show

[bold kelp]

I know, its slower

But its also 1 less button to press

It also fucks up my mana

[fossil mural]

Btw ambush fucking sucks

[grizzled lily]

the ermmm the ones that look like ummmm idk let me open my computer

[fossil mural]

More at 9

[tranquil sedge]

shaper's touch

[grizzled lily]

let me get up my slumber

[dreamy crane]

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/HighCLassFIlth-0884/characters

try it now

[bold kelp]

how much mana do manamen get off shapers touch? tf?

[crisp obsidian]

that's your issue

I think

[dreamy crane]

bruh

no way

[onyx adder]

Correct

[bold kelp]

if they have 400 str, shapers touch is only 100 mana?

[onyx adder]

This was #1 on my list of probables

[dreamy crane]

ive had it like that since act 5 or sum😭 🙏

ima end it

ive been missing so much dmg

my brain is cooked

[cinder totem]

Whats the new max atlas points?

[tranquil sedge]

i might be misunderstanding what manaman is in this context then

i thought we were talkin bout connor stacker builds LOL

[dreamy crane]

ty guys your goated

[steel light]

@tranquil sedge question: the 2 map devices slot and voidstones can be bought from carry without having progress the atlas?

[dreamy crane]

i think i might gain like 20 percent dps

[crisp obsidian]

I love minotaur fight it's the BEST

[steel light]

138? u can see it on ur atlas tree

[whole bluff]

Man, I lost track of time until 6h50min ago and was still playing poe. Now I'm in school. This was not good planning

[tranquil sedge]

i dont see how you could buy a carry for the 10-way since it has to be your 10-way invite right?

but nightmare map i feel like you probably can? idk wait for someone who's playing this league to confirm

[grizzled lily]

https://pobb.in/XavkHpVJU7Uk here, dont ask the golem strat, he CANT die

[bold kelp]

Is EoW bait

[neon veldt]

I know i'm a league late but this is my genuine reaction whenever I see her explode

[crisp obsidian]

where do you see EoW

[lilac parcel]

have you guys ever had a maap with 2 bismuth ore ?

[grizzled lily]

i know how to scale my dmg but idk how to scale my qol

[bold kelp]

Oh you're rolling magma lol

[steel light]

what about the 4 voidstones? it worked on previous leagues?

[grizzled lily]

and i have alira as my bandit

[tranquil sedge]

if ur willing to make a ring again you can start with a synth curse-on-hit ring for one curse, these are the 5 possible implicits you can get and they're all cheap to buy bases, its just you'll have to re-craft the ring

[whole bluff]

EoW + tornado + snakepit seems to have surprisingly high hit rate. Looks like a machine gun

[bold kelp]

yeah and then you cap tornado hits

[grizzled lily]

bro thats just pain no?

maybe right ring

can be done

[tranquil sedge]

my job is just to give you options 😄

[whole bluff]

If you trigger both fast it's good

[stable pumice]

Mann i cant decide a way how to pump more dmg up lol

[tranquil sedge]

pob.

[rocky glade]

5 Flasks is a bit absurd

[tranquil sedge]

what kinda tease is that ruren

just link the pob and ask directly lmao

[grizzled lily]

now

FOUBORN 5 FLASK

that has to be some kind of a flex item

[stable pumice]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/DarkNesSRenger-3018/ChadsReflectedPast?i=0&search=name%3DChadsref

Enjoy the fuckery xD

I mean i can clear t16 lol

[lucid gale]

Sans lock.

[cinder totem]

oh lol didnt notice, always have atlas max zoom out

[rocky glade]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gif-5394791839932995860

5 Flask MB vs Echoing Shrine + Massive Shrine Screams

[stable pumice]

5 flasks win

Too much defense layers

[rocky glade]

The strongest belt in history vs the strongest belt of today

[grizzled lily]

echoing wins

[thin python]

the only thing making me bank so far, made 800 chaos today from kingsmarch shipping

500k shipment into Moti Aro

[stable pumice]

I sent mine yesterday ofc low amounts dont have time to farm xD

[thin python]

I made more from shipment than t16 maps

feelsoff

[grizzled lily]

@tranquil sedge theyre 5c synth'd

[tranquil sedge]

ya the bases are cheap

its crafting them thats a little more expensive since u can't have a frac mod on them

obviously the alternative to synth curse on hit implicit is influenced curse on hit instead

[grizzled lily]

just reforge cast speed and pray for life

[tranquil sedge]

thats mainly if u dont have a 3rd useful suffix you want and you'd rather keep the base implicits

[grizzled lily]

craft mana

[tranquil sedge]

otherwise i prefer synth, you can always have useful suffixes lol

[worldly bridge]

man this incense scarab is fucked up, i cant defend ailith at all

my damage is OK but its the fact i cant stall any of the lanes at ANY point and i have to completely babysit her

[whole bluff]

I don't feel like "fuck around and find out" and finding maven when I went for eater/exarch stone, like I did all the other stones. What corner is eater/exarch?

[onyx adder]

Bottom left

[whole bluff]

Nice, going there then

[tranquil sedge]

@stable pumice 11% more damage upgrading your main 6 link gems is probably an easy start lol

[crisp obsidian]

spoilers of the location of polaric star and that other dickhead

[stable pumice]

Oh that part is happening xD

[shadow roost]

Man, it's been so long since i've played, i forget what damage type the kitava cultists in oriath do.

[split maple]

1. start pobing kf, 2. ensure max effective aps = 10.1 in calcs, 3. pob pob pob, 4. ..., 5. check calcs max effective aps = 7.58

okay what exactly is messing me up there

[stable pumice]

That part i do know issue is usually done blade flurry on gc never done this and tbh it scales wierdly lol

[rocky glade]

Starting to hate this now
The fact that I have to do literal random maps before I get to do the Pinnacle bosses

[stable pumice]

I could go crit, but crit chance will be hard to get to 100%

[split maple]

oh fucking hell its dying sun

[tranquil sedge]

why are numbers like 7.58 and 10.1 coming up for kinetic fusilade? i thought that skill had its own math 😮 https://nemrod10.github.io/KF/

[brazen vector]

What about fractured delve curse on hit

[tranquil sedge]

you know, i forgot those existed

good shout tbh

i'd take those over influenced any day if i didnt need influenced mods

[brazen vector]

Yep

[onyx adder]

Its an alternative to influence, similar advantages as well as a little easier to craft

I like influence a lot for certain mod combos where u can get value from multiple influence mods

[rocky glade]

Do you have 36 div?

[stable pumice]

Not happening xD i need flasks

[whole bluff]

Those I did find by clicking the invites. Then I went for exarch but found dread and elder

Ah, I can click searing invitation

[surreal musk]

been doing solely breach since day 1 and just realized im missing a bunch of passive skill points cause ive never done a hive , only unstables

😔

[crisp obsidian]

now do /passives

and see you missing 5 of em

[whole bluff]

I miss reliquary half the time. Mostly the rest of the time I forget not to portal out from reliquary

[rancid drift]

Need some advice please, what would be the fastest leveling build for duelist Alt chars right now, is doedres scorn the way to go?

[whole bluff]

Ah, I got Alira. Might save a passive there

[whole bluff]

Ngl, my bet is sunder or earthshatter. But maybe ID is so OP it can beat them even on a duelist

With lvl 30 gem in acts

[ebon palm]

without the map chisel how do we increase map item quantity now? just alchs and stuff?

[loud geyser]

seeing a 50% exp mirage in maps is just

[drowsy eagle]

ID > all, the question is what to use before it

[worldly bridge]

this new belt gamba is awesome

it feels fairly attainable even for casuals

[pulsar dune]

You get a bonus for atlas objectives.

[worldly bridge]

you can farm the baryas pretty easily in SSF too, very awesome

anyway off to bed with me, gn exiles

[minor adder]

Color me confused, they want you to bring a Rarity bot, Make the map, then set all the loot to permanent so that you get nothing in your own map? And then pay 3d for basically nothing because....you already have the rarity bot, this makes no sense 😂

[whole bluff]

Gn

[loud geyser]

transfigured my sunder into sunder of earthquake...its alright 😒 not the kind of clear speed i was expecting tbh and the aoe is tiny asf but the damage is fine ig

time to level a new sunder

[lucid gale]

I read that as that's what they offer.

[crisp obsidian]

they have an aurabot, the loot is set to permanent allocation so you can loot whatever drops

idk what you are confused about

also tehy don't want you to bring a rarity bot

[lucid gale]

They have the bot, you get no loot, they exclude the mods stated.

[crisp obsidian]

they have one

[minor adder]

Have an aura bot and loot set to permanent, means you gotta bring it and set your loot to permanent, why wouldn't they say "I" have

[crisp obsidian]

you actually get the loot

[lucid gale]

Well, whatever permanent allocation results in.

[crisp obsidian]

cause not everyone is speaking english as their first language

[tranquil sedge]

all you have to do have the'need: 3k life/60+ chaos res' and follow the instructions in the last point

[minor adder]

That's literally every rota

[minor adder]

That's good

Thx

[tranquil sedge]

because they're copy pasting templates, obviously

to avoid making mistakes

[minor adder]

I was annoyed bc if I gotta pay for an aura bot, the map AND lose all the loot while paying 3d for it I'd blow a lid

But that's fine

[lucid gale]

That doesn't sound like a rota, where everyone's maps are run.
This sounds like a service where you just enjoy the ride, like a 5way.

[crisp obsidian]

yeah it's gold carry service

[tranquil sedge]

they just call them rotas, but its a gold selling service

[crisp obsidian]

you get gold(and whatever loot you pick up) and they get your divs

[tranquil sedge]

^

[pulsar dune]

Have an aurabot means I have an aurabot

[loud geyser]

[minor adder]

Yeah I was just reading the "have an aura bot" and thinking...damn I have to bring an aura bot with me.

[whole bluff]

Is kingsmarch good btw? Runegraft prices are absurd atm

[lucid gale]

Let me bend your ear for a moment.

[dense rock]

Denied.

[lucid gale]

(sorry, not sorry for past memories resurfaced)

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bending-1

[whole bluff]

This is us in school

[shell glacier]

Hey, is is possible to have more scried maps? Currently I have 3, but been farming over 100 maps for one more and can't get it to spawn,

And if someone has a really good atlas/scarabs combo for it to spawn, I'll be grateful

[whole bluff]

You can get more scries but seer is often frustrating amount of maps to spawn

[shell glacier]

Ok, at least is good to know I'm not wasting my time

Because I was afraid he had limits

[crisp obsidian]

mirage really really really likes to spawn w/o any leag mechanic or boss inside it

sucks ass

[raw brook]

What is the best templar ascendancy this league

[crisp obsidian]

sus

[dense rock]

oh it spawns next to league mechanic all right. It just happens to look at "oh there is 4 league mechanics you have spend talent points on right next to each other? Would be a shame to have mirage spawn on the other end of the map next to a white strongbox"

[crisp obsidian]

but that's the thing

it doesn't for me

it just spawns solo

[dense rock]

rip

[dense rock]

kinda depends on your build...

[whole bluff]

He spawns when you kill the last mob of a random specific type in some maps afaik, so you have to clear the map to get him. Also maybe some mechanics that add native mobs (not a league mechanic, they never have a seer) are supposed to increase chance but idk how that actually works

[raw brook]

ill go with anything strong this league

[dense rock]

dom blow guardian is stupid strong

[whole bluff]

That's why you block abyss. Or because it's Thursday. Any reason will do really

[crisp obsidian]

wdym block abyss

[whole bluff]

So it doesn't take your mirage from your actual mechanic

[crisp obsidian]

anch pls

w/o any leag mechanic inside it

[whole bluff]

Meh

[noble sleet]

If I’m trade league and just trade, is there not much point for me to interact with the crafting bench?

[crisp obsidian]

I am saying I am getting completely empty mirages

[dense rock]

yes

[crisp obsidian]

90% of the time

[dense rock]

easy way to fine tune shit like resistances

[crisp obsidian]

there are a lot of reasons to interact with it

[whole bluff]

Sorry, I'm half asleep. That sounds bugged. Maybe that's what happens when you block abyss

[crisp obsidian]

is ok

but yeah I can have abyss, legion whatever in the map

and it still spawns empty

xdd

not always but a lot of the time

[dark sequoia]

if you get nameless seer in a mirage area do you get him again in the mirage

[whole bluff]

I blocked all mechanics that I don't run, even if they're optional and have good scarabs like ultimatum

[elfin swan]

If mirage covers like starting area of maps where enemy don't spawn they won't be in mirage either

[full lava]

how to get this?

[crisp obsidian]

I just got oneshot by normal goats

gg's

[dark sequoia]

harvest bench

[raw brook]

i saw on youtube one shock nova heiro looks strong

[whole bluff]

Got like heist, expedition, settlers, blight (just cuz I like blight), rest are blocked iirc

[proud gorge]

why is Discord labelling this guy as a "likely spammer"

[drowsy eagle]

lmao

[dense rock]

failed the facecard check 😄

[whole bluff]

Who is it?

[dark sequoia]

is new shock nova any good woth mjolner

[elfin swan]

I'm on phone and nobody marked on my end

[whole bluff]

Same

[proud gorge]

maybe? It definitely won't beat out BLO, but the other issue is that the "optimal overlaps" point for Shock Nova of Procession, is a bit outside of cyclone range

[sour wadi]

check him pc

[proud gorge]

well, normal cyclone range anyways

[elfin swan]

Blight enjoyers assemble. I had funny on my Mirage when one of the blight spawners got placed on the edge of the mirage and got soft locked because it spawned enemies outside the mirage and they were untargetable by anything

[proud gorge]

I dunno how the cyclone AoE scaling with mana hiero works out with Shock Nova of Procession's overlap zone

[crisp obsidian]

I love this too

[proud gorge]

but point is, Mjolnir wants you to get close to enemies to hit them with your hammer

Shock Nova of Procession wants you to hit enemies at a middle distance away from you for optimal overlaps

also I'm not sure the repeats would actually work when triggered?

now that I think about it

yeah, here we go, "Triggered skills never repeat"

[proud gorge]

so the answer is, no, Shock Nova of Procession would be terrible with Mjolnir

because you'd get no repeats

so it'd just be really shitty shock nova

[noble sleet]

Is resonating shrine the easiest way to generate ALL charges? I noticed it said generates charges om HIT which sounds op unless there’s other sources that do it

[proud gorge]

its certainly the easiest way to generate all charges on hit passively yeah

[cloud pilot]

I mean, it's a shrine effect, so you either a) only get it randomly at times or b) use a belt + give up utility flasks + etc.

[proud gorge]

there's other ways of getting all charges, but they usually require killing, or that one Doedre flask

but yeah, the shrine is unsurprisingly very strong

[noble sleet]

On kill is good but on HIT? I bet that would be incredible on bosses

[pulsar dune]

there is gain a random charge on block shield mod

[proud gorge]

like, it needs to be strong, its replacing Mageblood and also flasks

[dark sequoia]

What about orb of storms of squalls?

[pulsar dune]

but yea, shrine is unsurprisingly insane

[pulsar dune]

if you trigger mjollner with a lightning skill maybe

but it has a long cooldown, which is a bit annoying for trigger

[noble sleet]

Man I wish they didn’t nerf resonating shrine lol. Done charges inherently give buffs and that shrine gave even more buffs pre nerf ?

[proud gorge]

you wouldn't want to put Orb of Storms of Squalls in Mjolnir no

[noble sleet]

I remmenr one person wanted it to be one mod only for that belt lol

[proud gorge]

I mean, it'd be fine at one mod, it'd just be specific to builds that already give up their flasks for a third ring

[grizzled lily]

why is destructive play so hard to do sometimes

[proud gorge]

it would be less powerful, but it would still be run, as evidenced by the many people running 1-shrine belts right now

[cloud pilot]

how strong the effects are on the belt correlate pretty well with their price honestly - reso is fine, so it's just 50-60c or w/e it is