1┃general

[wintry lily]

with shaper and elder you have to sit through that fucking dumb walk back TWICE on shaper.

and 2 bullet hell phases

shit takes a while

[icy swan]

is there stronger sword/axe than this ? for ignite dot elementlaist

[finite quail]

damn if you dont count the catalysing, thats like, 3c of scarabs

[slow sonnet]

Yeah but he's easy. I always find Ulder is a DPS check

[lean urchin]

rebuka is like 900dps, hard to beat

[rancid sluice]

all that ss shows me is a need for a tighter filter lol

[wintry lily]

more like 2c

[slow sonnet]

So if you lack DPS def do Elder and Shaper separately

[wintry lily]

or the defenses

as easy as uber elder has gotten, he still chunks your bum

[hazy flint]

not if u 3 to 1 them 😉 after

[finite quail]

oh for sure, then it'll be 5c

[wintry lily]

3 10 for 1c scarab into 1 20 for 1c scarab

[cosmic eagle]

i swear all of them says that shit and then cries when they realize that 80% of the scarabs they loot will be 3:1 else liquidating scarabs will be dogshit

[finite quail]

me irl

im a big pot

[wintry lily]

3:1 shit scarabs you might as well go pick up clear oil from blight

same fucking vibe.

[cosmic eagle]

^

[wintry lily]

at least with clear oil from blight, it will never go from clear to sepia back to clear

[slow sonnet]

Also noticed all the voidstones have bonuses now. That reminds me of Maven Watchstones, remember those?

[finite quail]

you say this but its genuinely profits

Well, was last league, dunno about now

[hybrid harness]

can u send ur current pob. wanna see if I can improve on anything

[wintry lily]

Brother I can argue that having a chaos recipe all the time IS genuinely profits

[cosmic eagle]

i refuse to do boxes without idols, i will enjoy playing if i get to open the box 6-9 times than picking up 1c scarabs

[wintry lily]

but do you want to spend that time to do it

[wintry lily]

https://pobb.in/NMQmIA_VFEpz the obvious contender to be fixed left is the stupid quiver.

[finite quail]

I mean its stupidly easy to make fast currency with it

you just setup a regex of good scarabs, take out all the shit scarabs, keep vendoring, stashing, vendoring, stashing

[elder grail]

is chaos resistance important for endgame bosses in general?

[wintry lily]

and at the same time, someone doing another strat made 10 div more than you

[finite quail]

bosses generally no, mapping yes

[wintry lily]

or even the same guy doing the same strat without 3:1

[finite quail]

okay? and?

[wintry lily]

Yes, its unrealized profits if you don't do it.

[finite quail]

I was never comparing strats

This isnt a competition

[wintry lily]

But i'd rather play the game than play 3:1 over and over

[finite quail]

I'm just telling you that it does make fast currency

[wintry lily]

Sure, and thats why I do harvest every league

I don't care about other strats much

[simple stag]

map simplification is the best change since pauses

[finite quail]

That's cool, do what you want

[wintry lily]

But you would have to shoot me dead and burn my corpse if you ever find me unironically suggest a mind numbing activity that also hurts the finger with no fun to be had

[finite quail]

mouse macro for left click to scroll wheel

[rancid sluice]

at least the essence tab can combine ..

[finite quail]

we do need a stash all button for the inventory

[wintry lily]

Tbf to that essence tab, you don't actually pick up the shittier ones almost ever.

[modest depot]

poe.re hides some maps because of the new map names lol

[hybrid harness]

with config the exact same way u have 2mill more dps (better bow) but I have a 5k higher phys max hit somehow

also 20% qual on unbound ailment is 5% more dmg pretty big for the investment

[wintry lily]

is your cold res 90%?

[hybrid harness]

88

[wintry lily]

and do you have better eldritch affix

[modest depot]

its ele reflect

[wintry lily]

those should add up to phys max hits

[brazen vector]

But then you have to take out portal scrolls from the currency thab all tge time

[hybrid harness]

10% taken as

[wintry lily]

try dropping 1 max res

and see what happens

[hybrid harness]

its all same but I have 1 higher max res

[wintry lily]

otherwise its just the difference between actual hp values

[hybrid harness]

I lost 16 max phys lol

[finite quail]

then add locking items to the inventory aswell

[wintry lily]

actual STINKER in max life right here

[proud gorge]

Alright, so I've looked into things, and it looks like the "way to play Mana Archmage Heiro at high budget" is a Mjolnir build, with Indigon, Mjolnir, Ivory Tower, and of course the Squire

[finite quail]

big fart stinka

[wintry lily]

fucking 67 of all things

[proud gorge]

which is apparently a build

[brazen vector]

The technology just isnt there yet

[proud gorge]

also a very tanky build

[wintry lily]

this is what I hate the most rn.

[hybrid harness]

oh I have sand stance, thats it.

[wintry lily]

75% avg fym 75%

[finite quail]

I'm so fucking tired of burning ground from exarch mobs eating away at my hp

I'm gonna just go balls deep on abberath for the burning ground immunity

[karmic gust]

just have to tank stuff for entrench ez

[wintry lily]

i'd like to but ag dies with me if i do

[hybrid harness]

also ur missing a lot of big tattoos. I have legit double ur regen, 10k net

they are cheap

[wintry lily]

yeah i set my priorities to weapons and other gear for a while

tattoos are great and all

but i'd rather have better build than some better qol

so the only tattoos i took were mandatory

[hybrid harness]

Idk if Im gonna invest into AG even if it means dot cap. Im going new build sometime next week

[wintry lily]

as in blind and 10% global accuracy so i dont actually spend half a year against evasive mobs

[hybrid harness]

maybe if kingmaker hits sub 3d within a couple of days

[wintry lily]

Yeah you probably shouldnt

AG dies a lot.

fairly sure I didnt even have it for my maven fight

because it just went into a maven slam and fucking exploded

[hybrid harness]

garb of ephemeral would be so big though

[rancid sluice]

its only 1d

i just kitted out my ag

[hybrid harness]

yea but if Im setting one up Im going for all items, thats like 15d

[wintry lily]

me when i walk around with my 15m+ dps buffing ag and it dies to a stray rare mob and now I lose 15m dps

[karmic gust]

ag should be able to tank most bosses at least, but yea if you are not farming ubers wouldnt rly bother with investing into AG too much

outside of despair gloves and stuff

[wintry lily]

bro it cant even tank harvest right now

I saw nahmarin 1 tap his ass

[karmic gust]

well its actually harder to tank map mobs on minions than bosses :d

[hybrid harness]

db could we get free aura from marionette before getting an AG? is that still a thing

[lean urchin]

rare mobs man. they are the true map bosses

[wintry lily]

I probably need to fully quality the ag's support stuff

[hybrid harness]

or any minion I guess but marionettes revive in map right

[wintry lily]

also, i can slot in hoag but that would make life complicated.

[karmic gust]

yea

[compact bronze]

how can i aply multiple curses at once or in very short time? I currently have enfeeble and temp chains on blasphemy, and 2 self cast ele weakness and frostbite

[tough cove]

stacked essence/red beasts are the true map bosses

rares are the second class bosses

[karmic gust]

hoag isnt very good aura if you are using it only for the 10% more damage, like its fine but not superimpactful

[wintry lily]

The humble vixen's entrapment :

[brazen vector]

Vixens entrapment

[wintry lily]

ye

Thats the only reason why I havent slotted it in

[finite quail]

ah yes, one fifth of a chaos orb, my favorite

[tough cove]

lol

[wintry lily]

Sure, I "could" use it. But do I care to.

[tough cove]

i like that exalts are more plentiful but by god i hate seeing them instead of something actually worth money

[wintry lily]

ssfers feasting with them for crafts rn

between harvest being better again, tree for decent base to work with and plentiful of exalt slams

[rancid sluice]

i like being able to slam jewels willy nilly

[gritty garnet]

yeah I'm crafting jewels instead of just never picking them up

[wintry lily]

I stopped because i did 5 maps of strongbox mirage

[karmic gust]

not like gettign exalts felt good before either ngl

[wintry lily]

and got 2 tabs worth of jewels

[karmic gust]

so no cahnge imo :d

[rancid sluice]

easiest league yet for some nice poison abyss jewels by far for me

[wintry lily]

Well, it was worth some chaos instead of worth no chaos

[karmic gust]

as before you were instead sad tat you got exalt instead of divine lul

[gritty garnet]

also exalting maps just like chris wilson intended

[finite quail]

agreed

[wintry lily]

We really went back to doing that lmao

chris must be proud

[hybrid harness]

why am I losing pob dps enabling grace

[karmic gust]

runegraft

[gritty garnet]

pob thinks you're bad at dancing

[karmic gust]

you are giving enemies evasion

[hybrid harness]

oooooh

[finite quail]

treachery

[wintry lily]

Welcome to why I dont take treachery if I use actual auras

[hybrid harness]

fuck grace would have been big. maybe malevolence then

[karmic gust]

good thing i never use actual auras in my pobs so its free

[compact bronze]

Pretty cool, but im using gravebind gloves for my profane bloom. Cause at the very least i want to see some dmg caused by myself (cause its too boring being aura/curse bot alone). Any ideas what else i can do?

[karmic gust]

yea malevo would be good

[wintry lily]

WRONG

[karmic gust]

or anger

[gritty garnet]

it's either treachery and I take a bit of extra crit or I reduce mana costs

[karmic gust]

actuakyl no no no malevo

you cant use malevo

[winter crescent]

how can i check what breach tree passives i’m missing and how to get them?

[karmic gust]

because of coiling

[wintry lily]

malevo is worse

[karmic gust]

xd

[wintry lily]

coiling dps loss

[karmic gust]

yea just anger

[wintry lily]

Fuck that im not giving them anger.

[karmic gust]

lul

its fine

[brazen vector]

Arcanist brand

[wintry lily]

until you run into a poison map with anger

[hybrid harness]

155 flat fire is nothing

[wintry lily]

I did that on my last nightmare map

[hybrid harness]

like for the enemy to gain

[karmic gust]

i swear the poison mod is very underrated how scary it is

[wintry lily]

ran around with like 80 stacks of poison

[karmic gust]

it always kills me

somehow

[wintry lily]

if they had anger i'd be dead by 20

[gritty garnet]

run excommunicate on your shield charge

[wintry lily]

I mean you're tanking hits

[brazen vector]

Arcanist brand

[wintry lily]

And youre not checking poison stacks

[haughty bloom]

I love poison maps

[wintry lily]

so all those tiny stacks + 1 medium sized one just fucking nukes you

[haughty bloom]

I run tainted pact :))

[wintry lily]

the humble shakari

Wont save you from a big fat poison slam tho

[hybrid harness]

last support minion life?

[wintry lily]

I mean it might if the duration is short enough

[haughty bloom]

I like leethe shade so poisons last 100% longer on me

[wintry lily]

minion life/meat shield no?

[gritty garnet]

arrogance

[compact bronze]

can arcanist cast multiple curses ?

[hybrid harness]

yea idk which makes them tankier

[wintry lily]

probs min life then

they're gonna die with either

[gritty garnet]

are these reviving spectres or are you expecting them to regen

[wintry lily]

might as well have a slightly longer aura duration

[hybrid harness]

hmm wasnt it marionettes u wanted 2, so when 1 dies ur aura is still on when it revives

[brazen vector]

It triggers linked skills in order

[hybrid harness]

oh u get 2 default cool

[gritty garnet]

you need to offset them dying because all of them take the same degen

[compact bronze]

in order, like 1 curse at a time right?

[gritty garnet]

yeah following link order

[wintry lily]

then they die to the same hit so the aura goes off anyways

[gritty garnet]

assuming you have enough mana

[compact bronze]

alright

[gritty garnet]

blessed rebirth or if you don't have enough room on a cluster minion defense mastery to give the other one 5% back

[karmic gust]

you offset them by default on PF

as long as they dont get one shot

[wintry lily]

btw db have you seen my bow yet

its a juicy one 14 divs tho

[simple stag]

bout to craft my ass off im in a world of hurt

[karmic gust]

yea its nice bow

just a bit unfortunate base

but still very nice

[hybrid harness]

14div???

[proud gorge]

hmm, wack, apparently the strongest version of Archmage for some reason doesn't actually take MoM?

[wintry lily]

Ye, but its the only affordable one with a suffix that wasnt attack speed craft

rest were all attack speed craft

[hybrid harness]

this was 4

[proud gorge]

like, it's just a pure ES build

[hybrid harness]

also 1180 eledps

[gritty garnet]

where's the enchants

[hybrid harness]

0.1% more dmg

[brazen vector]

Synth it

[karmic gust]

hey attack speed enchant is for the speeds not damage smh

[proud gorge]

I'm just not sure why they're not going MoM, because they still have the 10% "MoM" from Heirophant, and their tree paths right next to MoM anyways, and they have a ton of unreserved mana anyways

[wintry lily]

unlucky timing then ig, sometimes trades go cheaper

[wintry lily]

not enchant, they crafted attack speed on suffix

[proud gorge]

wouldn't spending one point on MoM just increase their max hit a lot at basically no cost?

[wintry lily]

so i couldnt cdotm craft

[karmic gust]

yea i was replying to someone who said enchants above

[hybrid harness]

does attack speed affect how early they shoot first barrage?

like is it less delay while mapping

[karmic gust]

well they have to full charge

so yea

[wintry lily]

well, if you have no stacks of souls

[hybrid harness]

ok enchant worth then

[wintry lily]

it is better to have the attack speed enchant

but only for that one short period

[karmic gust]

like technically coiling is not that much more dps than double curse in theory

but then you are playing with dogshit attack speed

so in reality it is xd

[hybrid harness]

but it means more gem sockets or

idk for what but

[proud gorge]

I also don't understand why these Archmage builds, which run Ivory Tower, are also still using Coruscating Elixir. Like, your mana pool is larger than your ES pool

and you have more mana regen than you do ES regen

[karmic gust]

same reason as what i said before

you go oom you dont die

they do go oom

[wintry lily]

I dont think double curse is beating coiling whispers if ever tbh

[karmic gust]

at least the indigon setups all do

[proud gorge]

it's a Mjolnir build though

how do you go OOM with mjolnir

[karmic gust]

yea mjolnir probs wouldnt

[wintry lily]

especially with wilma's being a thing as it is

if wilma's lost half the cast speed = attack speed scaling then maybe

[proud gorge]

I guess the Cyclone's cost scales up with Indigon?

[karmic gust]

well the numbers current pob has are similar to old double curse setup numbers

[opaque sphinx]

how do i search for t17

[wintry lily]

I mean sure, thats if they get the shot off at max charges consistently

[karmic gust]

double curse was sliuughly higher even

[proud gorge]

and I guess they're running Arcane Cloak

[brazen vector]

Nightmare map

[proud gorge]

so that's not nothing

[karmic gust]

yea as i said in theory double curse is similar or more damage

[wintry lily]

and even now with coiling they fucking pop like rock candy

[karmic gust]

in reality not really

[opaque sphinx]

ty

[hybrid harness]

wooo fwends. finally

[proud gorge]

well, fair enough I guess, I suppose this does sort of make sense. It also just feels very silly to me to run Coruscating without any means of generating passive flask charges

so its probably not 100% uptime

[hybrid harness]

and full life due to op flask lets fkn go

[proud gorge]

but I guess with Ivory Tower redirecting into mana it's okay to occasionally have coruscating go down

[karmic gust]

arentthey normally traitor setups or mageblood with watchers

but also corruscating lasts long ass time

so if you have damage it will not run out regardless

[hazy flint]

thats always a tought choice

[rancid sluice]

need them ammy mtx to bling out your minions

[proud gorge]

I'm looking at this build from last league

it does have a Lethal Pride, but its Kaom

[karmic gust]

does it have precision watchers

or other source of flask charge on crit

thats what usually sustains 5th flask on mageblood for free

[proud gorge]

and it does have a Watcher's Eye, but its Grace/Discipline/Clarity

[wintry lily]

neither and pick the frog option thats hidden

[storm marsh]

is there a site for crafting where i can put in mods i want and it will tell me how to craft the item?

[karmic gust]

prob sjust had enough damage wherebosses died before corruscating ran out

[karmic gust]

as otherwise the precision watchers is super ez solution

[rancid sluice]

craftofexile @storm marsh

[proud gorge]

makes sense yeah

[storm marsh]

will i get the step by step on how to?

[proud gorge]

maybe they swap to that on bosses or something, who knows

no precision on the build

[rancid sluice]

itll tell you odds of hitting it with diff strats etc

[proud gorge]

but, uh, I guess you could theoretically swap Grace for it?

[storm marsh]

ahh that wont get me far then i think since i literally dont know how to craft

[finite quail]

yeeeees lets gooo

[noble sleet]

Is KF a lot more op than elemental hit?

[finite quail]

they are different builds played in different ways

[potent harbor]

Huh?

[hazy flint]

gamba or sell lads ?

[brazen vector]

Always gamba

[proud gorge]

man, what the heck is this build. Archmage Shock Nova of Procession lifestack Reliquarian

[finite quail]

always gamba

[proud gorge]

running Dissolution without Blood Barrier, which has to suck

[brazen vector]

It doesn't suck

[hazy flint]

so far i always loose

[thin python]

Shipping kingsmarch making bank

[rancid sluice]

rich ppl gamba, poor ppl sell

[proud gorge]

I played Dissolution before Blood Barrier, it really sucked

[rancid sluice]

which one are you

[lucid gale]

Is that one of the legacy Standard ones?

[potent harbor]

Its the keystone that prevents scarabs from dropping, never used it before. Cant USE scarabs either

[brazen vector]

I played dissolution without blood barrier in 8mod 16.5 and ubers, maybe skill issue?

[hazy flint]

poor rn i i just finished my atlas today and start making monies

[rancid sluice]

sell then

thats how i roll at least

[drowsy eagle]

what is Blood Barrier

[proud gorge]

I'm not saying its not playable, I'm saying it sucks ass to play, because its a great way to turn 31k max hit into feeling like 2k max hit

[lucid gale]

This one, I presume.

[brazen vector]

I have a different experience

[hybrid harness]

@wintry lily Idk if u have invested into an AG already but marionettes are just free 20% more dmg, 0 downtime on aura

[proud gorge]

Blood Barrier is something granted by Sacrifice of Blood, which you get from the Chaos bloodline ascendancy. It gives you a bunch of "overhealth" scaling with your max health, which rapidly regenerates based on your health regen.

its great for Dissolution specifically because it gets a of max health, but is highly vulnerable to chip damage

so it gives you this overhealth to soak chip damage into

that can actually passively regenerate over time, unlike dissolution

[drowsy eagle]

so it's like lifenergy shield

[proud gorge]

basically yeah

and with the amount of max life you end up with on dissolution builds, you can often end up with like 6k+ blood barrier

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/GHdVT3f.png

Gaming 😎

[proud gorge]

giving you the health of a regular health character as free regennable health on top of your actual health

[main pike]

Can you scry A to B and then B to C, or does that also remove A to B?

I mean scrying the original B's cards, not the post-scry

[brazen vector]

Just go aul bloodline and dont care about ailments, crits, slows

[formal ridge]

where are eagon memories stored? cant find them in frag tabs

[brazen vector]

You can only have pairs, a to b, b to c will remove a to b

[main pike]

[proud gorge]

this particular build I'm looking at is going Nameless bloodline for the +1 ring slot, since they're also going Massive Shrine belt

whoops didn't mean to reply there

[wintry lily]

i've tried the spectres before, they die very often on maps, sure they're much more free but they're just that much more annoying to manage overall

also yes the dps is with ag

[hybrid harness]

these dont die

[proud gorge]

oh wait, I was wondering how the heck this build worked, and why it's even running archmage if its a lifestack build

[hybrid harness]

especially if u get ur recovery tattoos

and even if they do die, they respawn after 4 seconds

[proud gorge]

turns out its not actually an archmage build, its just levelling an archmage gem in the weapon swap for some reason

smh

[hybrid harness]

and u have 2, so aslong as both dont die in same 4 second timeframe ur aura doesnt even turn off

[wintry lily]

I've had that happen plenty of time multiple leagues ago

Which is why I stopped using them

[formal ridge]

no map in pool drops the doctor?

[cosmic eagle]

@short prairie

[brazen vector]

Also make sure to not leave your map in the 4 second window or it deletes the specter (at least that was the case prior to the auto revive in hideout change)

[hazy flint]

what build can do better than hiero KF totems with like 50d budged ??

dont tell me kf totems with 50d investment

[wintry lily]

kf totems with 51d investment.

[steel light]

this is lockbox?

[finite quail]

I got a little stronger

[cosmic eagle]

testing out the poverty boxes they are talking about

[proud gorge]

anyways, while this build does seem good, it also seems to require The Squire, so I guess for now I'll continue on as regular-ass manaman

[wintry lily]

that triple life flask lmao

[hazy flint]

pob now ^

[finite quail]

its actually really handy

cause all of em are instant and I pop em like candy

[wintry lily]

i can tell

[finite quail]

I haven't updated it yet, later

[wintry lily]

life bar moves slightly
Flasks

[finite quail]

evasion build

so basically, yes

[finite quail]

https://pobb.in/87CcpmBWnGIQ

[hazy flint]

oh so its clrearly edited

[finite quail]

no it doesnt have my new 5.5k evasion body and new gloves

thats why

but the damage should be more or less the same

[hazy flint]

how much is the belt thats the real question

[steel light]

is there a post or something to read up? i'm supper out of date

[sleek barn]

wtf are you smoking rog

[wintry lily]

I know but it is funny to see that reaction

[finite quail]

like 30c

or 70c

something like that

[wintry lily]

can tides be cheaper already

i want to fix my shitty life flask charges

[finite quail]

also the mapping

[onyx adder]

More ppl should run multiple life flasks early league especially for bossing

It shouldnt be weird it should just be what ppl do

[wintry lily]

Ive been so used to having 1 life flask that I dont' even consider it anymore

[onyx adder]

Utility flasks are potato for early bossing

[wintry lily]

Since its

1. I die to 1 hit
2. I don't die to 1 hit
3. Im playing a db build and dont die.
4. I die anyways to 1 hit despite being db build

[onyx adder]

What are u gonna do, activate ur granite flask for eight seconds in a two minute fight

U can have 1 utility flask if ur a crit build

And whatever u want if ur pf obviously

[lucid gale]

[onyx adder]

Other than that put in instant life flasks and stop complaining when u die to exarch balls

[finite quail]

ooohhhh boy now comes the worst t17 map of them all, abomination

I'm gonna get real pissed off at this one I can already tell

[wintry lily]

Sir my defense layers are portals

[onyx adder]

Abom fuck up squashy builds

Too much unavoidable dmg in p1

[finite quail]

exactly

[onyx adder]

No not u i mean ppl that dont have a learning disability

[hexed lantern]

are servers dying?

[junior otter]

Can't decide if double hydro tech is worth using for sweep

[mellow kindle]

How do I get around “reflect elemental damage?”

[polar siren]

seems like it, switched from canada to DC atm

[autumn elm]

awakened elemental support

[onyx adder]

Why dont u try it and see how it feels

[gentle ice]

noooo canada server is dying 😭

[onyx adder]

Its free

[coral summit]

oh bb canada east just imploded lmao

[pure glade]

holy crap

[coral summit]

rip my boss instance

[pure glade]

exploded as I finished lab

[opal ingot]

find masteries in the tree you're closest to that has reflect reduction, then wear reflect minor pantheon

[devout kayak]

rip my div orb

[opal ingot]

sorry i took it

[finite quail]

LOCK THE FUCK IN

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-pulling-hair-out-mad-gif-26911929

DEATHLESS

[lone scarab]

canada server dead again, makes like.. 7 dead maps in the last day

[wintry lily]

Honestly I far prefer abomination boss even in phase 1

[opal ingot]

r u blocking

capped or some shit

[finite quail]

68 65

[short prairie]

@split maple are we still using the bog method in ssf to farm uniques

[wintry lily]

compared to citadel and ziggurat

[devout kayak]

😔 never talking here again after this

[surreal musk]

i took -20% dmg dropping 25% extra expore on ele for bastion of elements just so i could start running reflect , t16.5 reflect mod is one of the more currency ones 😔

[finite quail]

ok now onwards to maven invitations

[onyx adder]

Surely there are more efficient ways to get reflect immune no

[hazy flint]

i hate this

[gritty garnet]

nice a gcp

[surreal musk]

idk before i was aura swapping purity of elements with a less reflect watchers eye + swapping panth eon every reflect map and that got old real quick

[winged river]

I DID THE THING

[hybrid harness]

gg

[void oasis]

yo guiys how to get melee physical reflect immunity?

how do you get melee phyiscal reflection immunity without the awakened gem

[gritty garnet]

give the map in there to a mapper maybe you'll get a second one

sibyl on right side

[junior otter]

It means I need to use a 5l on it or give up urgent orders

[autumn elm]

You dont

[wintry lily]

Just dont do phys damage

[opaque sphinx]

[wintry lily]

So, allocate avatar of fire.

[gritty garnet]

essence of insanity ring also gets you 60% + pantheon for 100%

[junior otter]

Or waste a second gem slot somewhere else to have a second copy of urgent orders for rallying

[opal ingot]

only missing lightning damage immunity

[reef dune]

what is this %mana explicit on rings? I can't find anything on poedb

[gritty garnet]

and darkness damage

[reef dune]

doesn't seem to be a crusader mod

[opal ingot]

iirc that's a delve mod

[reef dune]

ahh snap, thanks

[gritty garnet]

temple recombo I think

[onyx adder]

Surely u can move your gems around for one (1) map and see how it feels

[finite quail]

aight, getting all the invitations done

[opal ingot]

goodluck on feared

[woeful jetty]

does concentrated effect work with kf damage?

[finite quail]

Eh, shouldn't be too hard if I get the big bads out of the way first

[toxic pier]

How do u get 40% reduce attribute requirement enchant on body?

[opal ingot]

tailor

[toxic pier]

tailoring orb which is randoM?

random*

[opal ingot]

yeah start gambling

[toxic pier]

Ah thanks

[gritty garnet]

you can also get the funny other enchants that increase it instead

[noble sleet]

How popular is bleed slam this league?

[finite quail]

check on poe ninja

[toxic pier]

can you reapply if it its not the one u need?

[opal ingot]

es

yes

[gritty garnet]

bleed slam is fairly reliable for league starting not sure if you want to scale it past dot cap

[finite quail]

yes

[toxic pier]

thanks

[opal ingot]

what are these enchants bro

10 flat

[junior otter]

It's theoretically like 15% more damage

[gritty garnet]

the life one is there to disable your 15% mastery

[opal ingot]

insane tech

[devout kayak]

fuck this server man

[wary root]

ze servers be dying

[pure glade]

mother of all rollbacks

[wary root]

or someone is mirror crafting with server rollback

[devout kayak]

witch streamer is crying now?

[surreal musk]

burn the witch

[finite quail]

giga

[gritty garnet]

what's the skill on gen cry?

[noble sleet]

How scalable is KF totems right now?

[gritty garnet]

kf totem scales really well in terms of damage

[finite quail]

static strike

[gritty garnet]

defenses only so much

[noble sleet]

Ohh dang, probably why I see this one person use aegis swap

[noble sleet]

Where or how would I search tht

[finite quail]

search the skill, choose it, then choose the ascendancy

[rancid sluice]

leagues gonna be over before you ever decide on something anyway

[finite quail]

true

[hard cliff]

sexy

[simple stag]

Hello, run into a problem with Khatal Geyser Laviangas that I should have considered. So the whole idea was to constantly apply it and I assumed having no regen with right ring shavronnes would always make my mana 0 but ofc its a mana flask so its giving me mana heh. Anyway to convert mana recovery so that I don't gain mana?

[finite quail]

that arch

[rancid sluice]

played soccer as a lad what of it

fat calves son

[spice pecan]

uhh, don't think this is a thing

[simple stag]

If I have 100% reservation can I still apply laviangas

[spice pecan]

you only can until you reach full unreserved mana

[modest depot]

server lag in these breaches has so been so insane

actually unplayable today

every breach is time dilation

[midnight kettle]

Its not just breach

[spice pecan]

im only getting tidi in mirage breaches idk

[midnight kettle]

I can't even play through the campaign

[spice pecan]

normal ones seem okay?

[modest depot]

i got time dilation just running through the map to the boss

wasn't this awful yesterday

[spice pecan]

huh, weird

[modest depot]

also invincible magic mosnters

[cosmic eagle]

ill dm you the strat

[rancid sluice]

not started juicing breach yet but man i need more monsters run the timer as fast as you want feed me without having to run around 12 miles jeesh

[spice pecan]

makes me wonder why they ever added the middle bottom notable on right side of atlas, bitch i dont want to wait longer

who designed this

[rancid sluice]

yeah hard passed on that one

[spice pecan]

fucking SIX seconds?

[finite quail]

damn a decent synth ring

[rancid sluice]

sandwich making time for real

[finite quail]

too bad its the wrong ring

not bad rolls too fuck

[modest depot]

everytime i try to fucking loot there is random ass monsters just hitting me that are completely immune

[wintry lily]

i dont think id touch the ring even if it had despair on hit

[modest depot]

i've had atleast 3-4 deaths today alone to trying to loot

and im lvl 99

never getting to 100 lol

[wintry lily]

i havent had the urge to play hoag in a long long time.

[worldly bridge]

yo t1 perfect rolled attack speed fracture

[rancid sluice]

CoN has been power krept sadly used to be the thing

[finite quail]

(bad)

[worldly bridge]

off the ground, RAW just like the vision intended

[wintry lily]

how many divs for those

[finite quail]

you want %phys fractured

[spice pecan]

is it one mech specifically spawning them, cuz ive had no real issues w/ breach

[wintry lily]

all the circles tbh atm

[worldly bridge]

its still a cool drop

[rancid sluice]

yeah no doubt

[modest depot]

im doing breach cascade

[wintry lily]

maybe 1 of them has some niche abuse but I havent seen or heard it

[modest depot]

every dunes map i get random magic monsters that are completely immune

[surreal musk]

invincible monster bug happens all the time if u open multiple breaches at once

always 'it that crawls' mob

[worldly bridge]

you could also still have an insane axe with just alt spamming for t1/2, then regal into bench craft

[simple stag]

Okay so I guess what I need to do on top of the frostmage is have something burn >1430 mana every 3.3 seconds so I will always be able to reapply it...?

[surreal musk]

incredibly annoying

[worldly bridge]

that would carry most players through 4 stone

[spice pecan]

huh, that's weird, i'll have to test resonant cascade breach later

[spice pecan]

indigon and manastorm have entered the chatroom

[modest depot]

yeah its aids

[full kraken]

whats a good cyclone cwc setup to maximize poison procs for hoag stacks?

[simple stag]

i need aegis to survive.. I need to probably do some MoM tricks

[spice pecan]

you really do not want to use cyclone for hoag

[full kraken]

assuming only a 4L available tho, I assume prolly cyclone - CWC - chance to poison - <some spell>

[worldly bridge]

is "can have up to three crafted modifiers" considered one of the 3 crafted mods? meaning you can have 1 meta mod and two actual affixes?

[spice pecan]

use rain of arrows or something more sophisticated for hoag, tbh

if you have to be melee, play a different build

[sage falcon]

yes, it is one of the three

[proud gorge]

oh, that's unfortunate

I guess their build was insufficient

[warm flame]

I tought they fixed the disconnection issue this morning?

[noble sleet]

In Poe 1 is it pretty impossible to be tanky agaisnt everything? Lol. Even all Ubers?

[worn flax]

Are price checks allowed in this server?

[full kraken]

with enough mirrors anything is possible

[full kraken]

#price-check📉

[noble sleet]

It’s always mirrors

[proud gorge]

facetanking all ubers is actually a relatively low threshhold in terms of truly tanky builds

[midnight kettle]

Apparently not. I'm getting massive lag spikes then d/c

[worn flax]

thx

[spice pecan]

huh?

[proud gorge]

truly ultra-tanky builds, anyways

[compact bronze]

is it good or okay to play full aura builds when playing with party? Or is it kinda useless and just overall better to play all dmg?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, you don't actually need that much max hit to survive everything up to Ubers

[spice pecan]

6man groups are 5 supports and 1 carry

[proud gorge]

the highest single physical attack hit in the game is only like 26k

[teal goblet]

Is this mod any good?

[proud gorge]

in terms of Ubers anyways

obviously some infinitely scaling content like Delve and some Valdos configurations can go higher

[compact bronze]

what about 2-3 man group. Cause im thinking of doing a full support build, and wondering if its worth it

[simple stag]

Omfg I found out the tech.......... aura toggling. SIGH

[spice pecan]

same deal, you play 1 carry and everyone else is support, you can play 2x carry duo setups if you want

[rancid sluice]

early to mid game you kind of pick dps vs tank .. like you can kill shit faster and die or be slow and live with 87 boss dots up. but yeah you invest enough eventually you get both

[proud gorge]

Void Valdos farmers usually scale their tankiness well above Ubers

[warm flame]

isnt highest chaos hit not that high too?

[dreamy crane]

how much is a sacred orb worth?

[spice pecan]

but yes, play carry, aurabot, and another support char for 3man group

[dark kite]

about 20c last i checked

[noble sleet]

Ohh I see lol.

[dreamy crane]

qhy does awakened poe trade say alot more

?why

[proud gorge]

I'm not as familiar with the largest chaos hit, but the fact that you can get chaos resistance makes it relatively easier to hit very large chaos threshholds compared to phys

[rancid sluice]

awakened sadly is not updated

[spice pecan]

also going 6k delve takes way more defense than ubers

[sage falcon]

why are you looking at woke poe trade for a currency

[dreamy crane]

damn

[spice pecan]

because i dont want to have to talk to faustus to price 30 different items

[dreamy crane]

because i obviuosly thought it was a reliable source...

[rancid sluice]

youve got faustus and trade site like awakened isnt the only thing

[spice pecan]

and woke poe trade is one of the few places that has the elusive faustus api

[noble sleet]

I got my cousin to play This league hit me, gonna get him to do the bloons totem build to see if it’s smooth.

[proud gorge]

awakened PoE trade uses the trade site, but ever since the currency exchange came out people rarely use the trade site for currency trading

[full kraken]

is this possibly the most unlucky toxic mod combo to roll? this actually is awful lol

[dreamy crane]

awakened poe is convenient

[full kraken]

lightning totems + temp bubble is also pretty bad

[umbral scarab]

Canada server cashing like crazy? anyone?

crashing

[proud gorge]

so the prices listed on awakened are often kind of incorrect

[full kraken]

but voodoo doll and lightning totems can very suddenly instagib you it seems

[spice pecan]

i wish awakened worked for currency items since they actually have the means to make it work

[rancid sluice]

woke trade gets you in the ballpark lets put it that way

[wintry lily]

its still fine for certain things to get a sense of pricing, but definitely not the optimal choice anymore

[dreamy crane]

sad sacred orb is my rarest drop all league and it sucks😭 🙏

im cooked

[wintry lily]

like harvest juice its maybe 1-10 juice per c and i don't really care about that discrepancy for ballpark

[rancid sluice]

not even a week in

settle down

we arent all streamers

[wintry lily]

but things like scarabs are : "yeah this is 1c for 1" and you check trade its fucking 1c for 10

[finite quail]

ayyy

[dreamy crane]

i just want a little luck bro

[wintry lily]

just play more

[dreamy crane]

a little🥲

[spice pecan]

"all league" when it's been six entire days omegalul

[dreamy crane]

"six days" like it isnt a lot of time lol

[proud gorge]

anyways, as for tankiness on ubers, the largest single hit in any Ubers fight right now, I believe, is still Maven Memory Game, but the most threatening mechanic is probably Maven's anti-recovery debuff, since obviously if you get hit by it then it turns off recovery for a bit, which basically nothing else in the entire game does

then again I don't really know too much about the Incarnation fights

[umbral scarab]

ID now

[proud gorge]

maybe there's something threatening in there, I dunno

[spice pecan]

no one knows jack shit about the incarnation fights because ggg has no clue how to name them

[full kraken]

looks at calendar bruh

[proud gorge]

maven anti-recovery is a pretty threatening mechanic though

[spice pecan]

lmaoo

[rancid sluice]

ppl have unrealistic expectations. dont base your value on ppl that play it for a living. loot comes, builds come together. the speed thing is way overrated unless youre in that community

[wintry lily]

Six days for most people is maybe few hours per day.

[full kraken]

exarch has a similiar thing iirc? the fire...snake... vents... things?

[wintry lily]

Never base your expectations on streamers who sit there playing more than people who actually work.

[dreamy crane]

"just farm for three month bru. then complain omegalul

[wintry lily]

?

[noble sleet]

Ohh another gladiator build. Idk what bleed lacerate is

[spice pecan]

?

[wintry lily]

How is your argument getting increasingly shittier

[noble sleet]

https://youtu.be/aN5AKl4vSvo?si=wDASTt5UFNyHBfRX

[proud gorge]

personally I tend to not really play seriously until like a week into a league, since by then prices have usually settled down and server instability is usually a lot lower

[spice pecan]

you play lacerate of hemorrhage. you bleed enemies. they die.

that is what bleed lacerate is.

[rancid sluice]

the league is 4 months long you lost out on world first, enjoy it

[wintry lily]

My build is like 50divs and i've played like maybe 2-3 days total in actual time.

[hard cliff]

eviscerate better

[proud gorge]

I've actually levelled two builds to maps in these last few days, which is blazingly fast for me, I'm pretty proud

[spice pecan]

eviscerate is infinitely worse

[proud gorge]

I'll probably level a third

[hard cliff]

far bigger aoe and damage

[proud gorge]

then decide which I actually want to play later

[spice pecan]

imagine not being able to press your ability when you want

[livid quarry]

why do ppl craft an axe for bleed instead of switching to another build

[spice pecan]

but yes bleed eviscerate is an option over lacerate

[noble sleet]

Does bleed dot have a low cap? Why is it capped? 😭

[livid quarry]

wouldnt that be more cost effective then

[hard cliff]

every build has a few negatives

[proud gorge]

all DoT builds share a cap

[spice pecan]

game has a hard dot cap of 35 million dps

[proud gorge]

the infamous DoT cap

[full kraken]

for 11 outcomes, sample size of 181 is low enough you still could have a lot of spiking, the odds of getting 0 of at least one outcome is actually pretty non negligible

[zealous pebble]

Dot cap is abit over 35 million dps

[spice pecan]

and 35m dps is way more than enough to do everything in the game except for deep delve and fucked up valdo maps, or some turbojuiced 100 deli maps

[hard cliff]

is it enough to do giga juiced blight?

[zealous pebble]

Yes

[teal goblet]

Saint's Treasure is such a sad div card now

[spice pecan]

with explode, probs idk

[noble sleet]

They afraid if dot doesn’t have a cap, we’ll just infinitely scale it?

[proud gorge]

DoT cap is 2,147,483,647 damage per minute, since for some reason DoT damage is stored as DpM internally instead of DpS

[onyx adder]

Biggest single hit last i looked is still meteor

Memory game is more total damage

[noble sleet]

Gladiator does LOOK tanky

[zealous pebble]

Although dot doesn't do well in blight

[spice pecan]

no, it is a tech limitation from over a decade ago.

[teal goblet]

0.2 exalted orb it's as useless as rain of chaos

[wintry lily]

not true?

[noble sleet]

Are yall happy exalted orbs are a lot more common? They seem to be on similar scale with chaos orbs

[wintry lily]

It depends on the build overall, a strike build with 1b dps can struggle in blight all the same.

[hard cliff]

I turn in rain of chaos as a joke

[wintry lily]

i literally afk ravage blights with scourge arrow ballista

[teal goblet]

I turn it in because I need the chaos

[hard cliff]

also cause my card filter isn't strong enough

[spice pecan]

deathbeam wants to know your location

[wintry lily]

He knows my location because its his build lmao

[proud gorge]

DoT cap is just the signed 32 bit integer limit, per minute. But on the other hand, it does serve as a nice convenient cap, and again its easily enough to do all content, and actually because Ubers have 70% less damage taken from all sources, but are still affected the same by the DoT cap, that means DoT builds functionally have a 3.33x larger DoT cap on Ubers than on everything else in the game

[zealous pebble]

With explode?

[spice pecan]

looool

[full kraken]

actually... nevermind I ran the numbers, the odds are very low of any outcome being 0

[wintry lily]

dont need explode, poison prolif fucks the entire lane up

[proud gorge]

and basically no DoT builds can come close to hitting DoT cap on Ubers

[noble sleet]

Ohh yall should check out this funny combo just saw it yesterday. You sand clones will cast your skills with some limitations lol. He used spark with the clones and it was cluttered lol. https://youtu.be/gs-ToBs5QVo?si=N8XrNO1USJyAYqK4

[proud gorge]

I'm sure there's some out there that genuinely can

[wintry lily]

I've also cleared ravaged blight with hexblast poison too.

[spice pecan]

untrue, scorching ray totem is infamous for hitting uber dot cap for free

[wintry lily]

Just 1 poison full taps the entire lane

[spice pecan]

and mamba can also hit uber dot cap

[wintry lily]

and if lane is overlapping with others, they get nuked alongside

[proud gorge]

yeah, that's why I said "basically no", though I suppose it would have been clearer if I'd said "barely any"

there do exist builds that can do it, it's just rare

[onyx adder]

Most poison builds will hit uber dot cap, at least in pob, if u bother to invest in trade tbh

[spice pecan]

i mean there's a good few builds that do, they're just either poison or non-ailment builds

yeah

[dark kite]

woo, that's the final maven quest invitation done; 4th scarab slot unlocked

[onyx adder]

Its not really something that is difficult to do with trade gear its just not something u bother doing since typically at those budgets u dont want to waste time ramping

[spice pecan]

first time i hit uber dot cap i was like "wtf do i do with my character now"

[onyx adder]

U just want to hit things and have them die

[proud gorge]

will they? Wack, even the high scaling poison FRoSS builds I was looking at last league didn't hit Uber DoT cap, though granted that was probably due to investing more heavily into defenses rather than just more damage

[spice pecan]

ye its not a question of "can they" its a question of "whats the point"

[full kraken]

what are people targetting as the their lock ins for peeps in betrayal? whats $$$ now?

[spice pecan]

it makes ubers die slightly faster over being normal dot capped, like it's not a huge difference

[proud gorge]

fair enough yeah

but yeah, point being, DoT cap is barely a real issue

[spice pecan]

its a bigger difference if you farm 100 deli maps tho

[rancid sluice]

you wanna play comfy poison go minions, like really. all the added utility makes qol legit

[rose quail]

Poison ballista used to be real comfy. Did it die?

[spice pecan]

nah, mamba and impending doom are both great poison builds

[rancid sluice]

stand and bang poison outsider of mamba is .. yeah\

[drowsy eagle]

guys 5k es + block (no on block recovery) or 10k es + leech

[proud gorge]

it serves as a convenient number to limit DoT builds so they don't completely blow up the game, but its also just largely arbitrary based on a random programming oversight from like a decade ago

[hard cliff]

does making the dot go faster let you bypass dot cap?

[lucid gale]

Many over-time things are per minute, provides some nice granularity to the stats.

[spice pecan]

no, nothing does

[wintry lily]

TS poison ballista did (^:

[hard cliff]

how are you gonna get es back

[tranquil umbra]

what even is the dot cap

[spice pecan]

if you deal 1 million damage per second, then you deal 6m damage over 6 seconds or 4m damage over 4 seconds

[proud gorge]

makes sense yeah. But if you made it unsigned, that'd double the DoT cap basically for free

[spice pecan]

35m dps, or 2.14b damage per minute

[drowsy eagle]

wym

[rancid sluice]

i will always league start chaos\poison if i can because i dont like solving elemental issues and its alch and go for the most part

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-dog-dog-math-mathematics-gif-14067738215893087961

[full kraken]

signed int max value divided by 60 (its stored as damage per minute instead of per second)

[proud gorge]

I don't think there's any reason why you'd need a negative DoT

probably

[hard cliff]

how will you be recovering energy shield

presumably you aren't waiting on recharge only

[lucid gale]

I see your scheme, trying to get things to overflow going below zero. 😉

[full kraken]

regen, they sum together into one stat

[drowsy eagle]

on the 5k? yeah recharge

[rose quail]

I personally think it's more a design limitation. Since you want to be able to see progress you have to inflate the numbers too quickly.

[hybrid harness]

10 maps no cornucopia, it has to be better div/h cuz u spend 4x less time in the harvest lmfao

[hard cliff]

I dunno but block is really good right now

[wintry lily]

probably tbh

[hybrid harness]

and no extra 30c invest/map

[wintry lily]

corn is still valid for true 0 brain usage tho

albeit less profits

[full kraken]

@proud gorge you can reflect the regen stat on jewellery to turn it into a degen, for example, stuff like that is easier to handle if your value is a signed value instead of unsigned

[lucid gale]

Unsigned arithmetic is scary if you ever have operations that have a chance of moving the result downwards.

[onyx adder]

Bad idea to buff quin that much

[rancid sluice]

i understood most of those words

[wintry lily]

mfw its mandatory to have turbo mods on map for corn to be okay

[hybrid harness]

yea no boss can get a bit rushy

[spice pecan]

i have 100% avoidance by being scared of programming

[wintry lily]

even with harvest rush for corn you're forced to take a chill pill

[full kraken]

and you wanna store it as an int cuz floating numbers are.... funky, they dont work the way most people think they do

Did you know that half the values a float can possible hold are all between the values of 0.0f and 1.0f?

And then 1/4 of them are between 1.0f and 2.0f, and so on

[proud gorge]

fair yeah. I assume they also do put caps on the end of the formula, so that going over the DoT cap doesn't instantly start healing the boss for millions of health per second, but yeah that probably is a very valid issue

[wintry lily]

because tree phase exists

[hybrid harness]

true true

[proud gorge]

the alternative I guess is to store it as a long long, but I assume that would require some more fundamental reworks to things

[lucid gale]

Now the properly scary part of programming is that float32 cannot represent all int32.

[wintry lily]

Honestly might be valid for those doing netflix and chill poe gameplay lmao

[opal ingot]

idk if my internet is bad. anyone from singapore experiencing lagspikes?

[full kraken]

there was a bug awhile back that if you went over dot cap it fucked up, the uh... one arrow build that blows up stacked arrows, could trigger it

[wintry lily]

as long as you can tank the harvest and the boss

[wintry lily]

singtel moment

[proud gorge]

at least if they stored DoTs as a 64 bit integer then they'd probably never have to address the issue ever again

[simple stag]

khatal geyser has now devolved into uber degen territory i am big sad

[full kraken]

they fixed this in poe2 I think

[hard cliff]

storm rain?

[magic pulsar]

rip SG, JP looks fine tho

[proud gorge]

I can't imagine we'll ever reach a point in PoE when, uh... 153 quadrillion DPS is insufficient

[short prairie]

on swapping to this, my scion character turned nood, like they have the full character model without cloths

[lucid gale]

octave:6> a=[2^22, 2^23, 2^24]
a =
    4194304    8388608   16777216

octave:7> eps(single(a))
ans =
   0.5000000   1.0000000   2.0000000

[wintry lily]

just set "quadrillion damage = true" 4head

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[short prairie]

no

i will get banned

[wintry lily]

ghostwrithe all over again.

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/gonna-miss-you-gif-26051985

[proud gorge]

good old float

[short prairie]

[wintry lily]

i remember when ghostwrithe made people nekkid

[short prairie]

this mtx only turned her within a sec

so not like perma or anything

[proud gorge]

there's this great video where they use float imprecision and a slightly misplaced fencepost in Super Mario 64 to somehow manipulate a pendulum to gain speed on every swing

which is wild

[split maple]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1rr1w0e/loath_wind_explode_synth_mirror_bow/

Now that was quick

[short prairie]

esm esm, how are you farming uniques

[wintry lily]

I love it when everyone adds the "item vendors for more" for no reason

[split maple]

Cadibro in research trust

[spice pecan]

it is not for no reason

[short prairie]

[wintry lily]

I reject your reality and reasoning for funnies.

[spice pecan]

it's specifically for hunting for implicits

[wintry lily]

they did it for no reason

[proud gorge]

it actually does help with synth implicits yeah

[split maple]

What it does not

[wintry lily]

nah it doesnt, you cant gaslight me ||/s||

[proud gorge]

does it not? I was told the reason was to get an extra implicit for some synth related reason

[opaque sphinx]

first inscribed ever lolw

[split maple]

It's for lock vaaling after you make enough copies to give up on recouping craft cost

[split maple]

Chicken cannot replace gilded with synth

[proud gorge]

ah, maybe whoever told me that was just wrong then

[surreal musk]

https://i.imgur.com/1KADpCC.png i won 😄 like 10 awakener orbs 5 reforge influence total

[proud gorge]

I've never really done synth crafting myself

[spice pecan]

ew, int stacker

begone, ggg does not like your kind

[proud gorge]

anyways, time to level a third build

lifestack golems

[noble sleet]

So totems scale off of offensive stats only right? If I had a bunch of headhunter buffs, would that like even.. effect the totems or? lol. Now my totems have 60 hh buffs lol

[stuck phoenix]

It's so they can corrupt it later

[wintry lily]

your facts and logics cant hurt my feelings

[stuck phoenix]

It's for corruption implicits

[proud gorge]

oh, that might have been why yeah, doesn't it replace a random implicit

[stuck phoenix]

Yes

[proud gorge]

so you get a junk implicit that's free to replace

[split maple]

Hinekora locks wkz

[proud gorge]

fun

[stuck phoenix]

Yes

[proud gorge]

I knew it was something to do with replacing implicits

[split maple]

I kinda like that crucible was a thing coz of this - like mirror weapons actually get vaaled in league coz no point taking them uncorrupted to standard

[proud gorge]

Also, Totems are "Proxies" which means they use your stats for everything, and count as having all skills and all items you have equipped and all that. Functionally, a Proxy is just a copy of you.

But it's not you

so certain things that only work if you do something don't apply

[finite quail]

gah dam

[wintry lily]

now 20 qual it.

for free 48% more dmg.

[tranquil umbra]

what was the "easy mode" annoint for blighted maps again

[wintry lily]

chill beam freezes + meteor leaves burning?

[finite quail]

yep already done and sold

[wintry lily]

Not sure if there's a better setup nowadays

but its still what i'd probably use myself

[tranquil umbra]

I mean the map itself

[full kraken]

dude I didnt even consider the fact that now with 2 different exalts, you can check both off the lock for better chances

[split maple]

Ambers for less tower cost

[tranquil umbra]

is it just ambers

[finite quail]

fast

[tranquil umbra]

that's funny

[proud gorge]

to answer your question, though, it actually does get a bit complicated when it comes to Headhunter and Totems. Headhunter grants a buff giving you a rare monster's modifiers when you kill it. Totems, as proxies, use your stats, and thus are affected by buffs on you, but not by buffs affecting them, because they're using your stats and thus ignore any buffs they themselves are under.

[noble sleet]

wtf… that’s interesting.. lmao. All my evasion, armor and weird tinks with the tree all go into my totem buddies? My monkies?

[proud gorge]

So if the totem is doing the killing, it gains the headhunter buff, but then it doesn't benefit from it

while if you get credit for the kill, then you gain the headhunter buff, and the totems do benefit from it

[spice pecan]

as the resident spell totem enjoyer, i cannot explain to you how buffs interact with totems

i just kind of... dont play hh on totem builds

[teal goblet]

Why does GGG take away all the nice things from people who play totems

[split maple]

Headhunter is exception there - you get hh buff not proxy

[tranquil umbra]

because totems are stupid

[noble sleet]

Fascinating. Hmmm lmao. Ohh totem

[wintry lily]

?

[split maple]

See wikipage wkz https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Headhunter

[teal goblet]

Do you have any idea how many support gems and even some skill gems say "CANNOT BE USED WITH TOTEMS"

[sage falcon]

chris was hurt by a totem player in his youth

[spice pecan]

man everyone complains that spell totems are bad, meanwhile last leg i had my freest 4stone run ever on pizza sticks

[wintry lily]

And? Minions also suffer from cant do x or y a lot

Every build suffers limitations

[spice pecan]

and they just turbobuffed storm burst so the ramp doesnt feel like shit

[tranquil umbra]

I'm playing KF Totem with Champ and this build has made me realize how stupid Taunt is as a defensive layer

[proud gorge]

oh, lmao, weird. So I didn't misunderstand how buffs would work with totems, Headhunter just has its own special exception

[noble sleet]

I always wanted minions to be affected by HH buffs how broken would that be? Lmao. All my minions have 60 hh buffs EACH

[split maple]

There is a helmet that does that

[teal goblet]

I'm not saying totems are bad, they are good. I'm just disappointed that GGG limits so many mechanics and skills from being used with them

[finite quail]

the unique helmet

[split maple]

Added last league

[spice pecan]

afaik there's no necromantic aegis for buffs aside from helm

[proud gorge]

okay so here's where things get a bit weird. So turns out I was a bit wrong. Totems don't inherit all your stats, rather, they cast skills using your stats for the purposes of using the skill, but don't inherit any other stats. So they have their own health, their own armour/res, etc.

[noble sleet]

Ohh me likey. I’m sure ghazz would use that

[full lava]

how to check the price of "rare" equipment?

[proud gorge]

So totems don't have your stats, rather, they use your stats for the purposes of using the skill that they're using, because they're using the skill as you

[spice pecan]

i'm just the biggest spell totem stan in this chatroom and it makes me sad that people don't really like them, but i guess more ppl are trying the totem playstyle with kf

[proud gorge]

but they're not you

[sage falcon]

it's difficult

[finite quail]

look the item and its modifiers up on trade

[proud gorge]

I guess that's what makes them "Proxies"

[sage falcon]

identify what the useful mods/attributes are and compare against similar items

[final owl]

using awakened poe trade probs easiest

[finite quail]

if you dont find a match, lower the values until you do

[sleek barn]

i do want to build around the hallowed monarch

but thats for another league

[full lava]

its js showing the base value

[wintry lily]

As a whole people don't like totems because they're generally slower and clunkier

[wintry lily]

But totems are good mechanically because its multiple things doing the casting for you as you run in a circle freely.

[spice pecan]

yeah, they're giga safe tho if you build around manastacking, and infinite dps if you build around being a bosser

[sage falcon]

yeah so you have to put in work yourself, which is why it's dificult

[sleek barn]

it just rewards a small amount of minions

would be cool for reaper ig?

[quasi void]

What are the famous price checker tools?

[sleek barn]

awakened poe trade

[spice pecan]

awakened poe trade

[proud gorge]

but yeah, imo the biggest issue with totems is just the near complete lack of "real" totems. There's, like, two real totems. Shockwave totem, and Holy Flame totem.

[tranquil umbra]

and with that one Champion node the enemies literally just ignore you

[proud gorge]

oh and Searing Bond I guess

[noble sleet]

All I can say is.. F totems.. man I want to use that new shrine belt but with how totems work, I’m trying to think what would even work well if they inherited it lol. There’s one for projectile speed and AOE so would the shrine buffs affect it partially?

[wintry lily]

people simply like to zoom, and totems unfortunately get in the way of zoom

[teal goblet]

I used to play EA ballista a lot. I've used spell totems before but I could never find a good spell with them because it's hard to crit when spells only have 5% base crit

[full lava]

oh so i js search the item that kinda the same and estimate then?

[sleek barn]

sure

[spice pecan]

you go pcharge stacking for crit

[sleek barn]

you have to know which modifiers are valuable

and which are not

you can't be overly specific

[proud gorge]

it would yeah, since its casting as you, it inherits any buffs that affect how you would cast the skill

[spice pecan]

and spell totems are the last and only way to play selfcurse

[sage falcon]

yep

[spice pecan]

with soul mantle and self-flagellation

[noble sleet]

Ohh that’s hot.. didn’t think they would do it lol

[hard cliff]

it's so bad

[proud gorge]

so if you'd cast the spell way faster and with much larger AoE, then the totem also casts the spell way faster and with much larger AoE

[sleek barn]

its not that bad

i used it for zombies

[teal goblet]

Yeah I misunderstood how charges work with totems for years I assumed because totems don't get the charges they don't get the stats

[spice pecan]

sure but totems cast the spell 4-6 times per 1 time you cast it

[sleek barn]

but i died every five seconds when my zombies died

[split maple]

I rly like the Link part coz it trolls minions players in a rly funny way

[spice pecan]

they get your crit chance, so if you get the pcharges, they gain your crit

they just dont get shit like spending pcharges

charges and totems are weird

[sleek barn]

i think if i were to use it it'd be for a golemancer

[proud gorge]

but yeah, IMO there's one change that they could add that would immediately and instantly make Totems way way better to play. Let us carry a totem around on our head.

[split maple]

Add cast on death to setup

[tranquil umbra]

Mirage Totem Support

[finite quail]

Welp guys, time for the feared

[sleek barn]

gl

[spice pecan]

like some things give charges to totems but others give it to you, i dont really understand it despite playing pcharge stacker spell totems like 10 times

[acoustic cipher]

are mirage portals hella bugged rn? Im getting massive packet loss and ping spikes only while in mirage zones. The moment i leave them they stop

[sleek barn]

yeah mirage is a little laggier for me

[proud gorge]

even if it were a support gem or something, or a ring or something

[sleek barn]

i dunno why

[noble sleet]

When I try this KF totem build I gotta see if I will like the playstyle or I’m just straight up going back to melee lol. I guess placement speed is that important but it’s like when you’re doing maps, you always have to place them.. man imagine roaming totesm tho lol. They roll and then shoot

[proud gorge]

I mean, support gem would be unfortunate

[finite quail]

half the effects arent loading lol

[sleek barn]

frostblink totems

[proud gorge]

but still, the biggest issue with totems is just the fact that you have to plonk them down and then they don't move

[sleek barn]

login

[spice pecan]

ballista totems have giga placement speed, it's the entire reason why non-hiero totem builds exist in the first place

[split maple]

Just do nontotem kf

[spice pecan]

the tradeoff is that you can only place them in melee

[proud gorge]

either let us carry a totem, or let us recall a totem, or maybe let them chase after the player

[wintry lily]

not anymore

[sleek barn]

holy mirage totem support

[obsidian wagon]

i still get so confused by this game. ok i beat the searing fuck. now what? tryin to get to the voidstones

[wintry lily]

.5 with no placement speed

[gritty garnet]

animate guardian's legs

[sleek barn]

actually no

just uh a throw totem skill

[spice pecan]

no their placement speed is still way faster than spell totems lol

[proud gorge]

or, idk, a set of boots with "your totems can use any Travel skills socketed in this item to follow the player and seek out enemies to attack"

[split maple]

Like idk rly why everyone and their mother still goes balistas kf, it's like day 6 of league you can buy them rings and ammu

[karmic gust]

thats still higher than spell totems

pretty sure

[sage falcon]

beat the eater of worlds

[noble sleet]

Is the hiero all about totems and that’s why I’ve been seeing so many hiero KF totem ballistas is cause their placement speed got mega buffed?

[spice pecan]

it's much much faster than spell totems

[sage falcon]

you get the voidstone after beating both

[wintry lily]

yes but .5 simply isn't giga fast

[proud gorge]

maybe a Link skill that links to totems and gives "your totems are dragged towards you constantly at a speed scaling with your totem placement speed"

[sage falcon]

if only you could look at the ascendancy to ascertain whether it was "all about totems"

[spice pecan]

hiero is the typical totem ascendancy, but non-spell totems are playable outside of hiero

[karmic gust]

not only playable non spell totems are generally just better outside of hiero

[split maple]

And hiero is hella playable without totems

[spice pecan]

chieftain used to be about melee totems but they got rid of that

[proud gorge]

ah yeah, the poor melee totems

[sleek barn]

totems on a leash is crazy

[gritty garnet]

gen cry is superior imo

[karmic gust]

only ballista build thats actually locked to hiero is siege/sharpnel with str/dex stack

[proud gorge]

I miss the "Me and my boys" melee totem build

[spice pecan]

also this, you dont HAVE to play totems on hiero, since hiero is also the manaman

[karmic gust]

because you have so many skipping the toteem damage node and placeemet speed is stupid

[noble sleet]

Man you’re smart a lot aren’t you bloons? Lmao. Only answer when you have something sassy to say lol

[proud gorge]

where's that one gif from JoJo part 5

[spice pecan]

are you not privvy to the poe player reading comprehension meme or

[proud gorge]

me when I played melee totems

[wintry lily]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizzare-adventure-rohan-kishibe-i-refuse-gif-26066583

[sage falcon]

this is verifiably false

[spice pecan]

like i dont want to punch down if that is something you are not aware of

[hard cliff]

he's a mod

they don't just have issues they got the whole subscription

[wintry lily]

you're not getting it from me

[finite quail]

nvm failed the feared, the stupid fucking synth boss keeps tping me inside of shaper beams

done for today

[proud gorge]

I don't think that's a gif

[noble sleet]

Send

[spice pecan]

surprised you didn't get sirus meteor mazed into shaper beam tbh