1┃general

[tough cove]

realistically jugg is the worst maruader spec outside of acc stacker

[split maple]

all of them

[worthy cave]

Disagree

they do what they're supposed to IMO

[split maple]

like elementalist issue is not a single bad node

[hard cliff]

chieftan has one build lol

[worthy cave]

That's a GOOD thing.

[past mantle]

Not any more lol.

[worthy cave]

If the node is there, it should be good.

[dark sequoia]

Whats the worst ascendancy

[worthy cave]

Why put deliberately bad nodes?

[cobalt blade]

atk str stack and endu charge stack are the things you really dont want to do on other classes though

[hard cliff]

RF got buffed this league

[gritty epoch]

no CD pls

[tough cove]

Assassin

[cobalt blade]

[stoic shore]

Nuh uh

[cobalt blade]

surely they print that

[past mantle]

They added that fire res ring a while ago.

[split maple]

i rly like ascendancy balance rn tho, like its hard to find one that doesnt have interesting builds available

[cosmic reef]

no cd and you're going to print the screen with 1000 lightning balls

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/8_pfjstlHlU

[dark sequoia]

do we know what it does

[gritty epoch]

so he worst ascendencyh is shadow... hmm.....

[tranquil umbra]

Chieftain

[stoic horizon]

no

[fringe idol]

has neversink gotten out a new filter set?

[past mantle]

Honestly Necro.

[split maple]

rf is my comfort food for boring content cmon

[worthy cave]

Guardian < Sabo/Warden < Ass/Champ < Ascendant/Trickster < Gladiator I guess

[split maple]

guardian had two rly strong builds rn

[past mantle]

Necro is kinda just there I guess?

[tranquil umbra]

guardian got giga buffed

[hard cliff]

Trickster needs to be buffed

[split maple]

shrine memes and kboc

already before buff

[cobalt blade]

wow your just wrong her

[worthy cave]

Yeah guardian just got a big buff this patch I think?

Or at least templear did

[worthy cave]

Im reading the chart damn it

[hard cliff]

amazing general summoner class

[cobalt blade]

Ascendant is so much stronger than those lmfao

[past mantle]

Guardian isn't weak, guardian is just not made for generic builds.

[leaden quiver]

Amazing now you have to scale explosions and power charges and multiple totems

Amazeballs

[hexed mountain]

I think ascendant is the worst. Just gets saved by the niche pathfinder stuff

[worthy cave]

I'm reading the screenshot

[cobalt blade]

ah

[hexed mountain]

In terms of pure power level

[hard cliff]

you already scale explosions

[worthy cave]

and yeah ascendant feels like ugh

[hard cliff]

it's called rf

[cobalt blade]

nah

[tough cove]

champion is way better than assassin, it just gets overshadowed by slayer, as is usually the case for bot side builds

[cosmic reef]

ascendant is op

[past mantle]

Nah, it's really in a bad spot, intentionally.

[split maple]

reading the popularity contest when half of playerbase has budget issues and half has skill issues

[olive sinew]

There is 1 exceptional gem I would like to see

Righteous Legions

Infernal Legion but the burn dmg is based on the HP of the minion

[cobalt blade]

It just requires investment to be good but cluster stacking is one of the strongest things in the game

[stoic horizon]

assassin is also inflated by uber boss farmers

[hard cliff]

you just be playing a different game

[cobalt blade]

Or just jewel stacking in general

[hexed mountain]

Clicking ascendant nodes , needing a second lab to get a weak ass temu ascendancy version of something

[worthy cave]

Budget issues matter

[cobalt blade]

And ascendant excels at that

[dark sequoia]

Ascendant seems neat for ignite tincture since most other builds using a tincture just use the ele tincture

[gritty epoch]

from the notables perspective i'd argue its chieftain

[dark sequoia]

and warden doesnt ignite

[tough cove]

yes

[worthy cave]

It's why Pathfinder has mid-tier numbers

Because she has one dependable league-start build

If you deleted bouncy, PF would be garbage

[cobalt blade]

Same everyone else can solve max res/res without much issue later on its just good early

[worthy cave]

but b/c bouncy exists

people be like "PF great LUL"

[tough cove]

well bounce got nerfed, and pbod is dead

[split maple]

like Ilya my criteria for ascendancy to be good is having support for multiple interesting builds, no matter if some are pricy or some cheap etc. from that perspective vast majority of ascends rn is allright

[dark sequoia]

I could see Warden/Necro Ascendant being okay for bone offering and two tinctures on some 2h melee ignite build.

[tough cove]

so well see how it looks this league

[worthy cave]

By that criteria, Gladiator and PF are dumpster tier

[tough cove]

and mamba took a qol hit

[split maple]

gladiator is dumpster tier

pf has some stuff

[shadow socket]

no

[worthy cave]

Gladiator: do you like playing bleed + block? No? GTFO.

[split maple]

well not dumpster, but like comfy if 0dps legstart into slayer respec

[tough cove]

gladiator is pretty much a starter build only

[leaden quiver]

Its bait on rf

[devout hollow]

Any info when I can download the next league patch

[worthy cave]

Pathfinder: do you like playing poison? No? GTFO.

[leaden quiver]

Regular searing totem better

[worthy cave]

Chief: do you like playing RF? No? GTFO.

[tough cove]

because anything end game you can do with gladiator slayer does 5x better

[celest heart]

Has there been any info about whether having multiple sources of Hallowing Flame on hit (e.g. Hallow Support + the Guardian ascendancy) can allow us to apply multiple stacks of HF with a single hit?
I feel like it shouldn't, but I haven't seen definitive info on it ^-^

[shadow socket]

avoiding 99% of damage is bad actually

[tough cove]

PF has a niche at least in end game

[worthy cave]

Just F/F more than skill

and get a decent block shield

[split maple]

or just svalinne yea

[worthy cave]

and wham, you're gladiator now

Yep

[split maple]

gladiator has rly big issue there i agree

[worthy cave]

This is what I mean when I say some ascendancies just don't have enough things to click

[split maple]

chief also needs something else than rf to be decent

[worthy cave]

Retaliation node? Garbo.

[dark sequoia]

I like chieftain for unique heavy builds without mageblood because resolving resists is easy

[shadow socket]

you mean azadi crest. not using azadi with glad is absolutely trolling

[worthy cave]

Aggravated bleed? Ehhhhhh

[split maple]

cws served for a bit, but its rly single-sided meta

[worthy cave]

Makes sense

[hexed mountain]

Retaliation node is nice for retal builds tho

[past mantle]

It got that with the fire pen ring.

[stoic horizon]

stuff like this is usually boolean, unless it says additional somewhere

[worthy cave]

And then GGG nerfed that build too!

[hard cliff]

we will see

[hexed mountain]

But yeah glad needs one more node

[worthy cave]

It's like "this ascendancy has 1-2 builds"

[shadow socket]

glad has bloodlines

[worthy cave]

GGG: "let's nerf them"

[shadow socket]

just take farrul

[past mantle]

Glad went from a 3 node andy to a 3 node andy.

[dark sequoia]

I want more staff support for glad!

[worthy cave]

Right

SO can we get more nodes on more classes?

[past mantle]

Honestly yeah.

[shadow socket]

Bloodlines were the best thing to ever happen to Glad

[worthy cave]

What bloodline is glad happy with? Farrul?

[celest heart]

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. I'm coping that it will work because HF is pretty hard to make full use of otherwise :c

[shadow socket]

ye

[worthy cave]

At least Glad has 3 nodes though

[hexed mountain]

Now it can also use mirage one

[worthy cave]

Well no

if you don't play bleed

What does glad get?

[dark sequoia]

Is Lightning Relic of the Pact with Doryani's Prototype a thing?

[worthy cave]

like say you're just bored of bleed glad

[cobalt blade]

+1 ring

[worthy cave]

Fair

[past mantle]

+1 ring huge.

[fossil mural]

That shit has nasty downsides

[shadow socket]

just eat uber lab and take the attrition one

[past mantle]

Don't matter.

[worthy cave]

Attrition is a real node?

[stoic horizon]

100% more damage login

[shadow socket]

its not good

[worthy cave]

I thought people memed on it

didn't think so

[pulsar dune]

It's good in valdos

That's about it

[cobalt blade]

no but ee block glads take it since they run 2 hour long maps

[fossil mural]

For tru gaemers

[shadow socket]

its pretty bad yes, but its better than nothing

[worthy cave]

kekw

yeah like double its scaling I think?

[shadow socket]

block/lucky block/attrition/farrul

[worthy cave]

and then cap it quicker?

0-> 60 by 2?

[cobalt blade]

99.99% less damage taken do be a thing

[fossil mural]

Not really? You are losing on absolute gobload of life

[hardy heron]

Same with attack-based hierophant

[worthy cave]

mana/charges/farrul

[past mantle]

Attrition is gonna be great for bloodsoaked. :xdd:

[fossil mural]

Leg startbits decent too

[shadow socket]

i mean it could be worth. your pool goes down, but its like 2x damage

[worthy cave]

meanwhile if you don't play chaos pathfinder

You only have the master surgeon route

[dark sequoia]

I've done phys relic of the pact
cold relic of the pact
chaos relic of the pact (very fun)
fire ignite relic of the pact with foulborn rathpith (it is strictly worse than hit based :( )

I wanna try lightning relic of the pact but idk how to make it better than phys or cold

[worthy cave]

30% inc. magic and utility constraitns = nonsense

like if you run so much as life flask (surgeon) + one unique flask

[cobalt blade]

thats the best part you dont make it better

[worthy cave]

30x3 flasks < 20x5 flasks

[dark sequoia]

And poison relic of the pact sounds like it won't work well

[fossil mural]

Its not 2x damage, and life stacking + impale will give you more.

[shadow socket]

Cold is the best version imo

[dark sequoia]

Tri-Ele Relic of The Pact seems weird. (Using like, lightpoacher with frostmage)

[fossil mural]

And more importantly you are much tankier

[shadow socket]

no way impale outscales -200 res

[fossil mural]

Yea totally

Surely

Like brother pob that

And see how horrible it is

Even if its more damage

You are like 10x squishier

[shadow socket]

its ROTP, youre gonna rando die anyway

[fossil mural]

No?

[dark sequoia]

If I'm playing relic of the pact I'm already prepared to die to random stuff

[fossil mural]

You go blood barrier and you dgaf

This is hillarious

[cobalt blade]

it ends up being better on the ascendant setups since you need too much investment to shred

[tranquil umbra]

is blood sacrament considered a vaal skill

[shadow socket]

no

[dark sequoia]

It is not

[fossil mural]

And imagine the cost. High life low res misted rings

[cobalt blade]

and you rly want empty sockets too since the funny amulet

[cobalt blade]

i mean that bits not bad

[worthy cave]

that requires giving up your timeless

[crystal talon]

Or just use a simplex

[worthy cave]

if it is what I think it is

(sap + power of purpose)

[shadow socket]

actually fair point, might be hard to hit -200 considering you need essence worm

[cobalt blade]

worse than untouched since you just dont have a use for sockets

[worthy cave]

ohhhh doryani

[crystal talon]

Gem xp monies

[dark sequoia]

Melding?

[cobalt blade]

relic isnt an attack build

[fossil mural]

[cobalt blade]

it cant use sap

[worthy cave]

derp

yeah Doryani's is great if you can solve lightning dots

[shadow socket]

wdym

[worthy cave]

divine flesh + sublime 😛

[shadow socket]

sap isnt attack only

[worthy cave]

it's a tinc

[cobalt blade]

sap of the seasons

It is attack only

[dark sequoia]

Sap ailment

Because lightning

[frigid wedge]

pob is a fuckin liar

[fossil mural]

Sup

[cobalt blade]

Sap+power means sap of the seasons lol

[shadow socket]

say sap of seasons then

[fossil mural]

No

[worthy cave]

ah dman it can't use divine flesh with power of purpose 😭

[shadow socket]

you cant just say sap when thats already another thing in game

[fossil mural]

Git gud

[tranquil umbra]

sad of the seasons

[cobalt blade]

theres no reason to when its implied by the second bit

[worthy cave]

Dear GGG: unfuck vaal pact pls so Ulti shield won't be meme

[shadow socket]

especially when its a lightning ailment and we're talking about lightning damge

[fossil mural]

You telling me

[dark sequoia]

Warden Relic of the Pact?

[shadow socket]

git gud at being clear

[elfin shale]

Does Howlcrack Corrupting Cry still cost 150% of your maximum life

[frigid wedge]

it says i have 10.09 aps when i have 4 frenzies but i dont hit my breakpoint till 5 frenzy charges

:/

[tranquil umbra]

oh I can run secrets of suffering + skitterbots

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-no-skill-skill-massive-l-gif-1772992733160300208

[crystal talon]

Yes

[past mantle]

he doesn't know

[elfin shale]

Shame, funny tho

[past mantle]

Yes, that's why you need to run Whispers.

And go CI.

[worthy cave]

taht screws the shield

[crystal talon]

And pick an actually good build instead

[elfin shale]

I didnt know people actually ran this lol

[past mantle]

It doesn't.

[dark sequoia]

Cold -> Inquis
Phys -> Scion
Ignite Fire -> Chieftain (dont do this)
Chaos -> Occultist (this is fun with void beacon and void gaze helmet and witchfire brew and lycia bloodline)

Lightning -> ???

[past mantle]

I know of me and literally another guy from a league ago who did.

That's it.

[elfin shale]

Hey its pretty cool
Though i think youd rather use the foulborn 500% cdr axe so you can autobomber

[past mantle]

People don't know how good corrupting cry feels.

[tranquil umbra]

how does elemental conflux work with secrets of suffering

[elfin shale]

I PoBed it when Howlcrack came out and since whispers didnt exist i gave up in shame

[past mantle]

It doesn't.

[frigid wedge]

fuck you pob

[tranquil umbra]

wdym it doesn't

[dark sequoia]

I have a 35 corrupting cry with level 9 swift affliction shako in my stash.
I should make cc build

[fossil mural]

Are you sure that mayhaps you

[past mantle]

Shako is bait.

[fossil mural]

Configed it wrong

[elfin shale]

You cant inflict shock freeze chill or ignite

Conflux doesnt do anything here

[empty canyon]

Man don't you guys love it when you try to donate plasma but the machine fucks up so now you lost 300 ml of blood and deferred for 8 weeks from donating lol fuck

[tranquil umbra]

ig so

[past mantle]

You don't get conflux benefits.

[frigid wedge]

i dont see how i woulda

[gritty epoch]

didnt they remove woke coc support

[past mantle]

Yeah they did.

[frigid wedge]

i found the problem

its me

[gritty epoch]

like 10.1 probably requires a lot more invenstments now

[frigid wedge]

im the problem

[split maple]

automod doesnt like my wall of text about ascendancy balance :/

[frigid wedge]

i forgot how my cdrr works

[past mantle]

Esm, no slurs.

[split maple]

i think more of 2k char issue

[tranquil umbra]

is there a way to convert regular ailments to their cooler versions though

[split maple]

or cocs

[zealous pebble]

Bait or no bait is back guys

[gritty epoch]

2k wtf are you doing a thesis

[dark sequoia]

Okay I'm thinking Gladiator for Lightning Relic of the Pact

Lucky Block and maybe War of Attrition cause idk what to do for that node
and Chaos Bloodline for blood barrier

[low lava]

Bro writing a book.

[dark sequoia]

As for DoTs I just die

[split maple]

there is what 32 ascendancies in game

[cobalt blade]

leaderships price and interrogation

[past mantle]

Leaderships price, secrets of suffering, hue rings for prismatic skills, helmet that sucks.

Warden does scorch.

[dusty mesa]

not in poe1

[dark sequoia]

Algor Mortis worth a glove slot on relic build? 🤔

[cobalt blade]

20 excluding bloodlines

[limpid prairie]

If static strike is a buff does rune graft of the warp work with it?

[hexed mountain]

Not very hot take : we should just vote each league for 3 ascendancies per class (phrecia included) to be playable

[elfin shale]

The only one that actually replaces the base with their alternate is Warden making you scorch when you ignite

In addition to what Flo said there's also the Heist shields and Foulborn Doryani's Fist

[restive dome]

Guys, go out to the store and buy 6, energy drinks for Fri-Sun 24 hour non stop gaming

[split maple]

why do yall expects poe player to know how to count

[astral shadow]

Its very bad dont play that build

[cobalt blade]

6*3 +2 from scion :p

[split maple]

oh i didnt even do reliquarian

[past mantle]

You forgot about the secret ascendancy.

No, the other secret ascendancy.

[split maple]

since honestly i dont have a bloody idea about what i think about it

[cobalt blade]

I think its the best ruthless ascend

[tranquil umbra]

sucks to have elemental conflux while using skitterbots ig

[cobalt blade]

Otherwise it looks mid

[hexed mountain]

It would tell GGG which ones people dislike and need a change while letting people play their favorite

[restive dome]

Do you guys think we hit 100k players on launch? I feel like there is alot of hype around this league

[sage falcon]

what was last league

[elfin shale]

If i log into standard will i skip the queue since im not going into the league?

[past mantle]

Hasn't the game been doing over 100k for like 8 leagues now/

[hexed mountain]

Also shadow would get its 3 phrecia ascenancies

[cobalt blade]

Interrogation requires you to deal lightning to inflict sap cold for brittle fire for scorch so it does effectively replace it

[restive dome]

not phrecia 2.0 lmao

[worthy cave]

ascendancy balance: doesn't really exist

[past mantle]

That wasn't a league.

[cobalt blade]

Unlike conflux for leaderships

[past mantle]

[dusty mesa]

Phrecia definitely not a league lol

[worthy cave]

because some ascendancies have had their options gutted or their nodes stink

[past mantle]

Reliq is gonna have some use with beacon of madness and mines and some stuff that I've seen people cook but overall seems too safe for a 1st try.

[icy swan]

i seen soemone at beging this is only one circle, so i gues gems do more, so question if it be grea for maps etc and bosing or worse than eviscirate xD

[elfin shale]

I hope Instruments of Zeal gets a rework

Its really cool but its so ass

[sage falcon]

do you want the text back

[icy swan]

also they chosing hieroplant curious if any dffrence than elementalist for lighting build

[worthy cave]

Oh wait, I just came up with the cutest idea for pathfinder master alchemist 4-pointer to not suck

[astral shadow]

Only issue with scion is it has bad start, so you potentially waste 2 points before it starts getting decent

[worthy cave]

1. Swap it with the inc. flask effect node

and 2)

Instead of remove all elemental ailments on flask use

remove all debuffs when you use a flask

[past mantle]

Imma be real that ain't much of an issue.

[split maple]

Basically I want ass and trickster reworked, one more build for chief and jugg, nerfs to bers slayer and elementalist. Even without current balance feels allright, except glad which has no identity after legstart

[cobalt blade]

shock nova has 2 hit portions

[split maple]

If you want justification, Ask automod

[hexed mountain]

Wanting to leaguestart scion but lab 1 is two passives

[split maple]

No worries, Got it saved

[worthy cave]

elementalist doesn't really have any one OP node though

golems aer finally in a good spot

all the other nodes are "good, but not busted"

[hexed mountain]

Shock lowkey

[worthy cave]

Shock is definitely cool

[past mantle]

Shock is busted lol.

[astral shadow]

Imo its not worth playing reliquirian, only good stuff there is lifestack or widowhail

[split maple]

Issue with elementalist is that whatever build you think of it will be at least decent on ele. Like hit based, phys dot, ignite, whatever

[worthy cave]

20% min is fine, takes work to scale it hard

[split maple]

Spells, attacks etc

[icy swan]

ah shock nowa was skil now its trans skil

[hexed mountain]

Real nice for pyro and there is the propsero tec

[past mantle]

What if any build could get access to 45% base shock for 4 points and 2l.

[worthy cave]

sure, so nerf her shaper nodes by saying "all elemental damage can shock/freeze/ignite/etc."

instead of "all damage"

I.E. no more phys dot/bouncy conc/poison BV ele

[dark sequoia]

Okay I kinda want to do a silly like...
Warden Relic of the Pact
Lycia Bloodline (sinner saint + herald)
No Blood Magic
Use Herald of Ash

uh
hmm

Lightpoacher

[icy swan]

with ele i gues u do lighting + othere stuff for exmaple ignite so i gues u could use trinity ?

[worthy cave]

like I think that'd be a fair nerf for elementalist

[cobalt blade]

congratulations you get a ring with 1 flat added damage and your done

[worthy cave]

that you actually have to play elemental damage

[icy swan]

but if hieroplant is a lot better for lightin, like 80% pl will chose it

[worthy cave]

XD

[tranquil umbra]

Pyroclast is very nice with it yeah

[astral shadow]

Thats trolling at this point xd

[cobalt blade]

since she has minimum shock etc which overrides needing to deal good dmg

[crystal talon]

The ailment nodes on ele don't need a nerf

[worthy cave]

Hahahahaha

you're not wrong XD

[limpid prairie]

Help with shock calculations on #1┃endgame-help

[split maple]

For that you actually need to know what mods can roll on rings - I am getting my doubts bout that for some folks

[cobalt blade]

[sleek ocean]

will start holystrike until i can switch to aw of reflection

[worthy cave]

Fine "your hits which have their maximum damage as fire, cold, or lightning can shock/ignite/chill"

I guess you need that wording on the shape rnodes then

[cobalt blade]

Now its just shit what

[frigid wedge]

wooooooooooooooooooo

[worthy cave]

Your hits which deal elemental damage as their maximum damage can XYZ

[tranquil umbra]

then what is the fucking point of the node

[cobalt blade]

Like thats straight up unuseable lmfao

[worthy cave]

That you can ignite with cold or light

or shock with fire/cold

[cerulean breach]

I think I've made a very solid leaguestarter https://pobb.in/f7Qtn3GCD0dJ

I'm curious what the best content to farm with it is

[worthy cave]

basically "no using phys or chaos damage"

[past mantle]

They should add a node to elementalist that lets fire damage ignire.

And lightning damage shock.

[hexed mountain]

Make the shaper nodes a choice one and add 100% elemental conversion to the chosen shaper node

[worthy cave]

hah

[cobalt blade]

and now you cant synergize half of elementalist with each other

[astral shadow]

Simulacrum

[cobalt blade]

like ???

[past mantle]

And cold damage could freeze and chill.

[cobalt blade]

thats a fucking poe2 ascend right there

[worthy cave]

Okay, then that's just shock every time

[cerulean breach]

I wanna do something on the atlas, not side content like sanctum / simu

[worthy cave]

The chill one is already struggling

[limpid prairie]

Genius you should tell GGG maybe you have some ideas for alternative ailments

[worthy cave]

ignite one is neat I suppose, but you'd have to give up 40% damage?

[split maple]

idk rly how to fix elementalist balance - like all nodes of her feel allrite to me balance wise, just in the end the issue is no matter what you do its too strong

[astral shadow]

Destructive play

[dark sequoia]

Has anyone found a way to make hand of the fervent good?

25% is just too low for killing yourself

[worthy cave]

then the class does what it needs to

[split maple]

you can do bloody hit based slam on elementalist and it will feel good

[worthy cave]

it just means she has good choices for nodes

[pulsar dune]

Haven't seen it yet

[split maple]

she just can do too much stuff

[cobalt blade]

I think the problem is just golem scaling being a bit overtuned still but i also think theyve shot it enough lmfao

[past mantle]

You nerf golem buffs basically.

[worthy cave]

Sure, then just specify what it applies to

"Your damage with spells"

[hexed mountain]

Would need other changes but i think making elem pick one element and then get huge boosts on that one but unable to use others could be fun

[dark sequoia]

Only way I can think is like some weird tainted pact indigon build. But that's already so many slots.

[cobalt blade]

Soon elementalists gonna have 50% reduced effect of golem buffs

[hexed mountain]

Like a specialist

[split maple]

that losses you mana regen, increased damage and aoe - which is a big issue, but can be worked around. just drop golems

i know heretical

[limpid prairie]

There is no golem buff anymore

[cobalt blade]

Without golems shes pretty balanced

[split maple]

like even if removign liege i can believe elementalsit is still too generically strong

[dark sequoia]

The fun part is hand of the fervent doesn't care about if you can spend the mana.

[past mantle]

It's not like anyone else can reasonable make use of golems so it's really a her nerf.

[hexed mountain]

Elementalist golem nerf is irrelevant because you can click 4 other good nodes

[worthy cave]

why drop golems?

like let her have her golems FFS

Necro already has everything else

[split maple]

yeah so loss of identity without real loss of power in the end 😄

[past mantle]

We're taking her golems.

[tranquil umbra]

no

[cobalt blade]

But she no longer out performs PF for poison or other nonsense entirely based on golems lol

[split maple]

true that

[cobalt blade]

instead its just decent dr/dmg

[past mantle]

Did you mean to say that the other way around?

[worthy cave]

she just lost 100% inc. buff effecitveness over the last 2 patches and just got primordial bond nerfed

[hexed mountain]

Golems should respawn by default so other classes can have them without it just being PoB padding

[limpid prairie]

Make half of the golem buffs only apply to minions to kill non minion golem builds

[tranquil umbra]

golem buffs are stupid

delete golems

[cobalt blade]

make golem buffs apply to enemies

[split maple]

i mean if we remove golems from elementalist we kinda make her lose identity, but not rly fix that she is generically usable everywhere

tho naca has fair point there

she finally wouldnt outperform other ascends

[worthy cave]

I mean "generically usable" is good

[past mantle]

That's why I said nerf golem buffs.

[worthy cave]

You want generically usable

[cobalt blade]

I dont think they should remove liege i should say

[worthy cave]

The golem buffs already have been nerfed

For two patches straight.

[split maple]

and i dont see the world where you can nerf them impactfully enough, except if we remove primordial bond clusters from game

which could be a thing

[astral shadow]

Cuz it was most played class for a reason

[worthy cave]

and odds are, if you spam primordial bond, you're probably trolling at this point?

[hexed mountain]

Gib elem a node removing golem buffs but giving more golems

[tranquil umbra]

geometrically usable golems

[worthy cave]

sure, but how many peopel are recommending ele starters now?

[hexed mountain]

Make elementzlist a golem minion choice again

[worthy cave]

sounds like a lot of it is manaman

[split maple]

Ilya can you stop reducing everything to popularity contest

[worthy cave]

and rue's recommending slayer

[past mantle]

Idk, golems having their buffs lessened would definitely make it less generic.

[worthy cave]

as it turns out, the wisdom of the crowds is often reasonable

[hexed mountain]

A matter of archetype tbh

[astral shadow]

Primordial jewels will be cheap now, and its still significant buff

[worthy cave]

I mean it's decent I suppose

[hexed mountain]

Elem still clicks herald lab 1 and obliterates everything till reds

[cobalt blade]

"golem buffs apply at half effect to your chatacter if you have more than x golems?"

[worthy cave]

But why do that when elementalist's point is to have 4 golems?

[cobalt blade]

so golemancers don't get touched but golem stackers do

[worthy cave]

And then you murder the golem summoner archetype?

[split maple]

i am thinking just remove +2 to maximum number of Summoned Golems from node

[cerulean breach]

...herald? not ignite?

[split maple]

so folks are forced to golem commander and hordes and thats it

[karmic gust]

ele should just not be tied to golems

[worthy cave]

That deletes half her golems lmfao

[split maple]

at least be forced to chose a few golems instead of takign all of them 😄

[cobalt blade]

hmm maybe but i dont like the thought of removing that from the actual golem builds

[hexed mountain]

Herald + the herald wheel is hilarious dps

[astral shadow]

Golem buffs never was the main "boost" for elementalist, it got most of the dmg from primordial bond stacking

[tranquil umbra]

make it so golems scale their buff effect with more golems summoned

[worthy cave]

we already cut ice!

[cobalt blade]

yo what if they split it back into 2 nodes

[karmic gust]

like why is tying ele to golems ever a good idea, its just bunch of gems that are completely useless to everyon else

[cobalt blade]

so true

[karmic gust]

because its only usable by ele

[worthy cave]

it's not about the golems, it's about the buffs

[karmic gust]

the buffs are fine

[hexed mountain]

Why are golem giving buffs tho

[cobalt blade]

but uh you wouldnt primordial bond stack without how strong buffs are

[worthy cave]

it's just that they're good at carrying your naked ass through early game

[cobalt blade]

its 2 parts of the same coin

[hexed mountain]

Keep this minion alive and get a buff is kinda boring

[karmic gust]

to make them unique from other minions that all only do damage

they just shouldnt be tied to single ascendancy for no reason

[onyx adder]

If u want to nerf golems for the buffs but keep them fine for the actual golem builds theres an easy way to do that and its not messing with the buff line

[dusty mesa]

spooders

[hexed mountain]

Spectres and AG

[astral shadow]

Nerfs are significant but still golem stacking is broken and more cheap as players think now its bad

[dark sequoia]

Bladefall of Trarthus
+
Hand of the Fervent
+
Indigon
+
idk foulborn quill rian

brain not work

[dusty mesa]

now with 108% inc atk speed and 810% inc poison damage

[onyx adder]

If u delete the line that makes them immune to elemental damage then actual golem builds will still keep them alive but ppl using them for the buffs wont be able to rely on them

[cobalt blade]

yes but now other stuff can be stronger than it over saccing helmet slot and half your gem sockets

[onyx adder]

Without investment

[heady cliff]

it is bad though

[hexed mountain]

Man that reminds me that i will have to get spectre corpses for holy armament

[dark grove]

Werent tinctures added in 3.25 and warden got rework with them?

[karmic gust]

yea so what if we removed the unique stuff from AG or spectres

basically same argument as removing buffs from golems

[stoic horizon]

they got added in affliction then reworked right after

[astral shadow]

It is good for dot builds now only, as you dont rly have more options than to use purple golem for dot multiplier if u stack golems

[heady cliff]

fair point, they still could be useful for some builds

[onyx adder]

I like that golem buffs exist i dont like that theyre currently set and forget on ele regardless of the actual buff size

[gritty epoch]

stalling podcast now

[heady cliff]

but as a general power source golems are just bad now

[worthy cave]

So then the notable itself will be a trap

Like you're already sacrificing 4 gem sockets

[hexed mountain]

They are still good campain buffs

[onyx adder]

No, it'll be narrower

[worthy cave]

I mean yes, that's what buffs are supposed to be

"set and forget"

and they can die in juicier content

[fathom plinth]

Can LA deadeye get all 4 voidstones pls ty

[worthy cave]

you probably can get 3 pretty ez

[spice pecan]

with some difficulty

[split maple]

sure

[worthy cave]

I.E. not maven

[fathom plinth]

Ah okay hmm lol

Ty

[split maple]

just hit 2mil dps and then its about skill issues and counting portals

[cobalt blade]

bow builds tend to just buy maven everything else is fine though

[fathom plinth]

Damn okay lol

[spice pecan]

idk if it's just me but maven is like 100% free

[gritty epoch]

cant wait.. we are getting closer... less than 24h to the launch of Marathon

[cobalt blade]

Same

[spice pecan]

she has like zhp

[worthy cave]

maven would be free if not for me sucking at garvity wells

[karmic gust]

i think they should buff golem buffs as baseline, add resummon for them on tree or on the babse gem and rework liege completely

[astral shadow]

Golems still give 80% buff from passive tree, 90% from 3x jewel and 80% from 4x primordial bond so total of 250% golem effect

[fathom plinth]

Oh okay cool hmm

[tranquil umbra]

maven requires an attention span unfortunately

[spice pecan]

gl getting primordial bonds on league start

[karmic gust]

or make liege just give 100% buff effect and nothing else similar to the herald node

[split maple]

make that an automatable gem idk regolemanimate

[shadow socket]

the only reason I buy carries is that it both saves me the effort, and that the fee is usually less than the actual invite to do it myself

[worthy cave]

4x primordial + nerfs just lost 180% of that

[split maple]

so 2 sock opportunity cost

[onyx adder]

Agree with all that with the caveat that the ele damage immunity gets changed

[cobalt blade]

just place them in the same spot you can see when brain is sending them out and they are on a timer

[onyx adder]

Im fine with powerful unreliable buffs

[worthy cave]

ah yeah so I gotta keep track of brain

[cobalt blade]

it does a little animation and then shoots them

[onyx adder]

U dont need to keep track of brain just listen for the audio cue

Its the loudest fucking audio u cant miss it

[worthy cave]

what's the audio cue O_o

maybe I need to turn off the music

but damn it maven music is amazing >_<

[spice pecan]

lily, lolcohol, jung, palsteron, tati, AND ziz are all starting KF totems

i just realized

[astral shadow]

Yep but we only lost 50%+4x20% this patch so a total of 130% and another 50% in 3.27

[spice pecan]

like bruh

[tranquil umbra]

ok we are not starting kf totems

[karmic gust]

well yea if they rework liege then that assumes that the ele damage immunity gets removed

[worthy cave]

yes that adds up to 180

[onyx adder]

Gravity balls sound like a squealing pig theyre impossible to miss

[karmic gust]

that node could just be buff effect and maybe golem resistances

instead

[cobalt blade]

Will also say ive never heard the audio que for it shooting them

[karmic gust]

and nothing else

[dusty mesa]

this is why I'm league starting as better bait

[cobalt blade]

i have heard them coming towards me but different level of audio que

[spice pecan]

i mean it's not a bait build, it's very good

[onyx adder]

Ive never noticed the amimation lul

[spice pecan]

but like, cmon

[worthy cave]

teh animation is a giant blue ball at THE BEGINNING

[onyx adder]

The audio cue is so distinctive i just run to middle when i hear it

[worthy cave]

but then they are these tiny white projectiles like everything else

[dusty mesa]

yea that's why mine is better at being bait

[onyx adder]

3 squealing pigs

[dusty mesa]

HF totems

[karmic gust]

time to make warped timepiece tink on filters

[elfin shale]

Is Void Sphere of Rending any good or is it a meme skill

[split maple]

i wonder if there will be unidentified market for them

[cobalt blade]

yes

[elfin shale]

Or cis im not picky

[tranquil umbra]

there better not be 25c 10% timepieces

[spice pecan]

i'd be surprised if neversink didn't already do this tbh

[cobalt blade]

theres also gonna be a flip where you just buy the 1c ones and 3:1

[pulsar dune]

It's good for content that trickles enemies

But it's weak

[spice pecan]

it was used in the newest wormblaster setup

[tranquil umbra]

bro I don't even want timepiece for kf I need it for beacon 😭

[onyx adder]

https://youtu.be/kgM0oNAnt1E?si=KcJX9tNd4jIQtXs6 1:08 for the sound @cobalt blade @worthy cave

Its so loud

[astral shadow]

In phrecia kf was kinda under the radar and unique prices was already skyrocketing, now that every noob plays it it will be priced in divines

[gritty epoch]

how craft kf wands

[cobalt blade]

on mobile rn but i also just dont need to sound so

[tranquil umbra]

every noob and 6 fucking ccs

[spice pecan]

also why can't i find ambidexterity on poeninja keepers economy search wtf

[tranquil umbra]

alright reliquarian pyroclast it is

[split maple]

Now it's time for ggg to do a pure troll and make warped piece t1

[onyx adder]

Sound is honestly the best way to deal with most boss cues ime

[cobalt blade]

low confidence

[astral shadow]

Yes there is fubgooners and kf gooners now

[worthy cave]

Wait, is it the sound that sounds similar to a Protoss building being summoned?

[pulsar dune]

I think they're just classic attack wands.

[spice pecan]

ah

[onyx adder]

The audio design in this game is generally fantastic

[onyx adder]

Its the 3 loud squeaks i dont play starcraft

U hear that sound u jump to middle, mechanic solved forever

[gritty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/protoss-reinforce-starcraft2-my-life-for-aiur-protoss-zealot-gif-20368343

[restive dome]

Teasers where? It's the day before league start

[tranquil umbra]

should be fire for leaguestart since the unique you need is baked in to the ascendency

[cobalt blade]

ay mostly same but ive just learned the animations for some bosses like maven since i used to be unable to hear anything well playing looper

[spice pecan]

are you talking about the sound that happens right as the orbs turn into puddles

[cobalt blade]

the constant thunk thunk thunk sound of creeping frost is too satisfying to turn off

[split maple]

I play game muted and like use eyes and it's a nonissue

[astral shadow]

www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3909036/page/1#p26560163

[spice pecan]

there's no protoss sound like that

[onyx adder]

Like i dont know the animation for the STAND STILL either and that one is necessary for uber

Fortunately, audio cue loud af

[cobalt blade]

she waves her hand

[restive dome]

I saw the preview lmao, aint falling for that

[cobalt blade]

iirc

but that one you can just see

since yknow the beams are above you

[onyx adder]

Its the sound that happens when the orbs follow you its high pitched

[astral shadow]

It only worked before 3.28 patch notes came out, cuz they limited the servers and it didnt show preview

[onyx adder]

She does some twirly shit herself which i never notice

[gritty epoch]

loreweave works with poe2 vaal orbs? lmao

[onyx adder]

I move on the STAND STILL

[cobalt blade]

lol

[gentle chasm]

no reason not to

[spice pecan]

yeah, warping buildings in is a much lower pitched sound, the closest thing i can think of is the sound that plays when you click on a templar archives

but that's still lower pitched

[dusty mesa]

someone's disobedient

[gritty epoch]

90max res loreweave 👀

[onyx adder]

Uh rly

[stoic horizon]

apparently it doesnt with tailoring so this one might not either

[onyx adder]

That seems like a bad idea lul

If its the same as unmodifiables then everything interesting doesnt work

[elfin shale]

So not for just normal mapping

[onyx adder]

Loreweave included

[silver linden]

any tips for a lacerate Occultist league start yes i know its crazy

[eternal hill]

Hold on

[dusty mesa]

yea don't play it

[gentle chasm]

theyll probably allow it this league

some broken shit to enjoy

[silver linden]

i definetly am playing it

[elfin shale]

Change to Eviscerate Elementalist

[cobalt blade]

rly hoping its not since half the chests and belts in this game have unmodifiable

[timber wyvern]

Guys watch Rasmus' video on YouTube. He dropped a YouTube video on Atlas Tree filtering. I swear this guy is the goat.

[cobalt blade]

and rings i guess too

Or well unscalable

Not modifiable

[spice pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpSahglMg9A

didnt see anyone else post this

[cerulean breach]

how would you guys recommend leveling an ignite elementalist level 1-70 nowadays?

[cobalt blade]

Oh shit need to watch that in a bit

[sage falcon]

i alr watched it 😎

[stoic horizon]

quin and ben only ethical gamers

[cobalt blade]

arma brand crema

[astral shadow]

Kaidgames 10/10 guide

[cobalt blade]

and rolling magma till arma

[split maple]

Get me tldr please

[cobalt blade]

generic caster levelling ™

[gritty epoch]

quin build is ethical the rest arent

[stoic horizon]

#1┃general message everything else bait

[gentle chasm]

dealing damage is unethical

[spice pecan]

generalspear10 gives a great description

[brisk plover]

would the new vaal orbs be able to reduce the penalty from Enmity's Embrace, since it rolls from -75%--65%?

i guess yeah dumb question. could be cool

[onyx adder]

Probably makes it bigger

[stoic horizon]

what about admiralpolearm8

[cobalt blade]

it might reduce the up to max as well

[brisk plover]

i think in poe2 it can also roll under the minimum?

[cobalt blade]

It can ye

.78>1.22

[astral shadow]

0.78x - 1.22x multiplier so it should work

[azure oar]

stuck at work are the servers up yet?

[cobalt blade]

but its gonna reduce your max pen as well

[astral shadow]

Yes in 22 hrs

[gentle chasm]

[cobalt blade]

Wait what new timeless jewel

[stoic horizon]

not everything with a range is scaleable - see loreweave

[brisk plover]

why would it? it's not a scalable property of the ring

[steel mural]

whaaat

[cobalt blade]

Apparently poe2 ones affect non divineable mods

[stoic horizon]

new lego jewel pog

[cobalt blade]

I don't actually know if its true but i was told that

[brisk plover]

holy shit

[cerulean breach]

where is this from?

[gritty epoch]

zizaran podcast rn

[split maple]

Oooh

[winged swan]

holy strike is probably a staff angle right?

[low lava]

POB devs in shambles. Time to add more calculation 😂

[tough hearth]

man this league gonna be best

[sleek barn]

new timless jewel is crazy

fuck

im gonna be in the help channels

[cobalt blade]

time to reverse engineer the new algorithm

[sleek barn]

and its all gonna be how do timeless jewels work

[vague steeple]

100% Server die.

[low lava]

Yeah 😂

[brisk plover]

can you use remembrance as a verb

[sleek barn]

ngl

[brisk plover]

i've never seen it used like that

[sleek barn]

the lich spectre is shit

bc it takes up a curse slot

[onyx adder]

Man new timeless jewel makes me want to make a build with an open timeless slot

Just in case

[sleek barn]

just go left side tree

and slot in templar socket

[low lava]

Imma wait till a calculator comes out. Dont know how hard it will be.

[pulsar vault]

3 new keystones to play wit :3

[sage falcon]

became the doom at their door
seems really forced writing lol

to match the voice line "I am the doom at the door!"

[sleek barn]

door door

[dry tree]

My builds be like

[steel mural]

legion 5 way runners will be eating good as always

[onyx adder]

Lulw

[sleek barn]

we don't even know if its good

the keystone is gonna be like "convert your mana to ward at 1% efficiency" or some bullshit

[sage falcon]

would they be good if they were the same as the poe2 ones

[gentle chasm]

isnt that an expedition item

[split maple]

It better be build enabling that fixes all my crapo does my taxes and takes kiddo to kindergarten

[stoic horizon]

what if miraged legion can have kalguuran army

[sleek barn]

oh true

thats a good one

[onyx adder]

Theres good use cases for every timeless jewel if not every keystone

[mental violet]

Asked a coworker to cover tomorrow time to pray

[onyx adder]

Its one of the more fun aspects to making many builds

[pulsar dune]

Worse than other spells afaik. Just click exsang

[brisk plover]

based on the color, it's probably for builds that use cold. or lightning. or maybe blue fire.

[onyx adder]

Digging up the right optimal timeless

[pulsar vault]

Convert all but 1 life to ward at 200% of values. Cannot be immune to chaos

[steel mural]

minion themed please

[dry tree]

I love slamming a timeless jewel for +80 dex fix

[sleek barn]

i spend like 25 hours on the timless jewel calc website alone

every league

for a minion jewel

[brisk plover]

isn't there already the one that gives like 240% minion damage on a good roll?

[blazing spear]

blblblblblblblblbl

[pulsar dune]

How valuable is the recoup from graven secret?

[steel mural]

jesus, why

[sleek barn]

from absorption charges?

[blazing spear]

nada

[sleek barn]

isn't that the point of it

[stark badger]

I spend a lot of time on that too and then I can't afford the ones I find

[blazing spear]

no

[dry tree]

Recoup is a bad stat if that's what you're asking

[brisk plover]

real

[sleek barn]

i have no idea i don't use it

[blazing spear]

it's +1 power charges

[pulsar dune]

The only benefit of power charges I'd be losing is the one cluster and timeless

[sleek barn]

all ik is that its used with ralakesh

[frigid wedge]

do they at least work

[pulsar dune]

Usually it's just +1 charges with ralakesh

[blazing spear]

it's used for power charge stacking

[sleek barn]

makes sense

can't get +1 on belt otherwise i suppose

[blazing spear]

blblblblblblblblblblblblblbl

[sleek barn]

why are you blbllbblblbling

[blazing spear]

graven is bis for power charge stacking till mb

[tranquil umbra]

nah I use graven's on hiero for permanent 5 absorption

[pulsar dune]

With the foulborn PC rings you can also click bloodline

[pulsar dune]

Is it worthwhile?

[blazing spear]

rue did it in his ele hit guide

and i will unfortunately follow a rue build

[tranquil umbra]

it's pretty nice imo

[blazing spear]

he was surprisingly civil this episode

[gritty epoch]

We know why

[pulsar dune]

IG I'll just try it and if it sucks I'll replace the belt with smth else

[mental violet]

alright i think i've narrowed my league start down to 2 builds finally. heirophant shock nova of Procession or, some kinda strike build from gaurdian holy skills

[sleek barn]

based

i say go for shock nova

[stuck phoenix]

the hierophant disrespect is unreal

[blazing spear]

i will do ele hit slayer

[sleek barn]

gl running lab though

actually i may just run lab for hroc anyways

[blazing spear]

the old man is kind of cringe

[gritty epoch]

TAKE THAT BACK

[stoic horizon]

im getting baited into this too, cuz holy strike looked garbage

[stuck phoenix]

xd

[mental violet]

i can just prelab play strikes and once i get my gem go shock nova if i don't feel like i like it

[sleek barn]

strikes -> shock nova?

[brisk plover]

imma do some general cry shenanigans but i don't really wanna do cyclone. trying to figure out what to build exactly.

[stuck phoenix]

ngl I am probably gonna do shock nova, it sounds funny

[sleek barn]

self cast im assuming

[stuck phoenix]

and I don't think it has any chance to be meta since it's self cast spell

[stuck phoenix]

you don't need to assume

[mental violet]

i just absolutely loved the showcase in the trailer of the build for new shock nova

[tranquil umbra]

guys what if the new timeless jewel is just copied from poe2
https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Heroic_Tragedy

[sleek barn]

last i heard people were cooking totems for new shock nova

[stuck phoenix]

ngl I don't remember what gems where showcased

[pulsar dune]

Totems can repeat things?

[sleek barn]

idk

[split maple]

Surely we aint getting these keystones

[mental violet]

that many circles from a cast is just amazing

[tranquil umbra]

SURELY

[sleek barn]

normally you can't support a totem skill with spell echo

[blazing spear]

the undying hate jewel is so cool

[stuck phoenix]

kinda but also kinda not

[stoic horizon]

surely they didnt nerf int stack just to give us these

[stuck phoenix]

well, it's probably decent at least

[split maple]

Str+int stack login?

[sleek barn]

its probably fine for bossing

clear it'll need an inpulsa

or smth

[gritty epoch]

1% es per 2 str

[stuck phoenix]

honestly I don't rememebr if totems can repeat

[stoic horizon]

[stuck phoenix]

or rather

I don't know

[pulsar dune]

There's no way that becomes real

[mental violet]

something to cause more aoe in maps?

[gritty epoch]

Ivory towers gonna go 500k es

[pulsar dune]

Strstack is already the best es stacker

[mental violet]

can you not just stack area of effect?

[stuck phoenix]

you miss out on spell echo support though

at the very least

[brisk plover]

what is this node man

[stoic horizon]

technically everything can, just the most common sources are limited to sself cast

[stuck phoenix]

no

triggered skills cannot repeat

[stoic horizon]

arent traps triggers?

cuz these can repeat

[sleek barn]

traps don't repeat

[stuck phoenix]

from echoing shrine?

[sleek barn]

they retrigger

[stoic horizon]

flourish

[pulsar dune]

Blade trap fatal flourish does a thing

[runic vine]

I must be Vorana cause it makes me mad looking at it

[sleek barn]

what the hell is fatal flourish

[brisk plover]

the name on the new jewel is different from poe 2's options.

[stuck phoenix]

hmm

[pulsar dune]

So IG that means proxies can repeat

[stoic horizon]

uber duelist ff

[pulsar dune]

So it should work on totems

[brisk plover]

i don't expect it to share the keystones

[chilly ferry]

Pretty wild that there's less than 77,000 seconds until League Launch.

[pulsar dune]

Why they don't let people use fdor on totems idk

[brisk plover]

at all

[stuck phoenix]

hmmmm

[tranquil umbra]

wait if these require a new army
does this mean we can 6 way legions now

[stuck phoenix]

honestly I dunno

[sleek barn]

bido is forming a thought

[stuck phoenix]

thought is gone

traps aren't real

repeats are fake news

[stoic horizon]

i mean, its checkable rn technically, just gotta find an echo shrine

[stuck phoenix]

or fatal flourish

[sleek barn]

just get echo shrine on new belt

[blazing spear]

From where did you learn about this?

[stuck phoenix]

fatal flourish is easier if you're not broke

[stoic horizon]

fatal is limited to attack though

[stuck phoenix]

well, or you can grab trans flame dash

it has repeats built in

totally not the by far easiest

and most applicable

nono

[stoic horizon]

true

[stuck phoenix]

well, aside from of course

having built in can't be triggered

minor issue

[sleek barn]

unleash is not repeats yeah?

[stuck phoenix]

no

reoccur is not repeat

[sleek barn]

joever

[finite quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfV20Vu9quM

Goated addition to poeninja

[sleek barn]

im guessing they had greater spell echo then?

how did they have that many repeats

[stuck phoenix]

guh

wat

[runic vine]

Holy moly

[stuck phoenix]

the image screenshot from earlier?

I see 4 circles

[sleek barn]

nvm i count 4

yeah

[stuck phoenix]

which is just regular

also fun fact

[sleek barn]

greater spell echo would be fun anyways

from pledge

[stuck phoenix]

spell echo support makes you spend less time statioary with shock nova of procession

even though for basically all other skills it'll do the opposite

that is, per right click

well, or whatever button you have your main dps on

[sleek barn]

are you able to move after first repeat

i suppose so

thats a weird fact

[stoic horizon]

mfs with main skill on their belly button:

[sleek barn]

thats what they call me

[leaden quiver]

astral lich

that effect is weak af

[stuck phoenix]

why do you suppose that

[leaden quiver]

wonder if it has good spells

[sleek barn]

i suppose this

because im tired

[stuck phoenix]

hello tired

[sleek barn]

doggone it

[stuck phoenix]

it is incorrect

it is simply that the downside of spell echo is the +1 repeat

[unique kraken]

funny how the new timeless jewel sound like an item from the krangled meme with incomprehensible words 😄

[stuck phoenix]

making the time for the skill on its own be twice as long

that is, going from 1 to 2

but if you instead go from 3 to 4

that's just a third longer

[sleek barn]

basically everything on the first line yeah, besides uhtred lol

[fallow escarp]

Why is there a new shield skill, with built in crit scaling, yet outside of accuracy nodes, there are 6 total points on the ENTIRE atlas tree that give generic Inc Crit Chance...

[stuck phoenix]

and so the more cast speed more than makes up for the time spent stationary per button press

[fallow escarp]

someone at GGG please give Divine blast a melee tag

[stuck phoenix]

making it a positive qol great dps support

[sleek barn]

i see

[stuck phoenix]

instead of negative qol great sustained dps support

[unique kraken]

imagine adding the sentence when you talk on voice : ye just remember 3876 song and you get a cool effect but check you have the correct conqueror name lol

[leaden quiver]

it looks like insane gem level scaling

[tranquil umbra]

seething fury go

[stuck phoenix]

new timeless does not make me happy

timeless could disappear tomorrow and the world would be a better place

[restive dome]

New timeless is about to be insane

[fallow escarp]

Yeah, but there is like, no crit multi on the bottom or left sides of the tree that arent tied to melee

[split maple]

Time to level a scion socket tester dear

[unique kraken]

they are cool addition for fixing str or dex requirement for cheap

[karmic gust]

ggg classic

nerf stat stackers

but insta add stat stack stuff back

[leaden quiver]

why do you think those jewels will add those things

[restive dome]

New timeless gives "50 % increased effect of shrines and magic potions"

[karmic gust]

thats how they are themed in poe2

[tranquil umbra]

because there is already a template

so they can just copy that

[karmic gust]

3 stat stacking kystones

pretty much

[stoic horizon]

what if one adds ward from mana flasks

[karmic gust]

i mean could be something different but im sure there will be at least some theme

[leaden quiver]

yeah why would that be the same

?

those are the worst most boring keystones ive ever seen

if they added them that'd be ass

[tranquil umbra]

yeah they will increase the value from 2 to 5

[karmic gust]

well why would it be different when its same timeless

im sure they arent just adding keystones to timeless jewels randomly and are following a theme instead

[stuck phoenix]

they just nerfed int stack

which means it could be because they wanted to open up to actually have some decent int stack items exist

and not make the archetype more broken

and it was always odd that there was a jewel for crazy +dex and for str but not int

[tranquil umbra]

or they nerfed it because they were going to release these jewels

consider that

[fallow escarp]

Nerf is a strong word. Getting 18k Es instead of 25k es is a balance change. They arent really nerfed lol

[stuck phoenix]

also, it's blue

[karmic gust]

that is what he just said

lol

[tranquil umbra]

ah

[stuck phoenix]

xd

[fervent ridge]

That new stygion vice roll..... HOLD UP THAT IS JUST DARKESS ENTHRONED

[tranquil umbra]

no

[karmic gust]

but also they did not nerrfed anything about str stack

[sleek barn]

every time i see this image posted it somehow gains saturation

[karmic gust]

so if they introduce anything similar to the poe2 keystone

[tranquil umbra]

it only has 1 slot

[grizzled lily]

with extra steps

[karmic gust]

then its just turbo broken

so hopefully they are not doing that :d

[leaden quiver]

dollars to doughnuts its not the case

[grizzled lily]

thank you for the mirrored picture

[leaden quiver]

we can have a bet

real life money

that they wont do that

[sleek barn]

say goodbye to uh

[split maple]

T1 Life, Hunter/elder % Life and this mod with 40 life abyssal gonna make legstart pretty allrite

[sleek barn]

darkness enthroned

[karmic gust]

i mean do you have any other theory what could it be

[karmic gust]

i really dont see a reason why would i think anything else

[sleek barn]

guys

[leaden quiver]

yeah, anything else

anything new

[sleek barn]

i no longer wish to see this screenshot

[fervent ridge]

The fracture of that mod is gonna sell for 50 div easy

[tranquil umbra]

inb that affix can only be dropped and cannot be rolled

[eternal jungle]

Time to gamba heroic jewel again (poe2 flashbacks)

[split maple]

Idk bout fracing then no influence + rare belts are never gonna be pricy

Too many good uniques

[sleek barn]

no i really think thats the case

for miraged stygians

[grizzled lily]

mirror of kalandra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[split maple]

Just recombi it

[fossil mural]

Stil no info on what exp gets

[worthy cave]

no, it's not darkness enthroned

[tranquil umbra]

better start fracturing that affix

[worthy cave]

it's a MAGIC jewel