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[worthy cave]

so if you turn in 60 fire rings

are you guaranteed the mod?

b/c grasping mails always come with 3 mods?

[kindred silo]

u can roll any of the breachlord modifiers

[worthy cave]

not anymore

if you turn in 60 fire rings

you're guaranteed only fire mods

the question is if grasping mails always roll 3 mods

or if they can roll only 1 or 2

[split pagoda]

also chaos dmg doesnt bypass es is another grasping mail mod right

[worthy cave]

yep

but only while not at low life

[teal hinge]

Base shockwave didn't change, right?

[worthy cave]

so you don't get as much room to reserve life as a shav's

[spare drift]

Boys what are you league starting?

[true flower]

pob update when, i need to play pob so bad

[split pagoda]

ah. Ive seen it used on some specific stackers still

[worthy cave]

well fubgoon is starting ele bow attacks

so taming is gonna be a pain in the ass

might just go ele hit slayer

since that doesn't need a ton of specific items

[potent bramble]

Go CI and you're always at full life,

[teal hinge]

Im going Holy sweep slayer

[pulsar dune]

It's pretty common now tbh

[warped stone]

Exsang/reap or WCot mines trickster OR bleed slayer slam

[worthy cave]

ah

in that case slayer just seems pretty good

[tawdry olive]

i kinda think fast campaign for trade is a little overrated (if you do not carry the momentum forward). it's just easy to measure. The real test comes after that, what you choose to do after act 10 up to like day 3
like if you have alt-itis and barely reach 4 stones then immediately reroll you just wasted all the early speed

[whole bluff]

Wonder if we get a teaser today

[ember wharf]

are they having issues right now?

[stark badger]

that's a gross misreading of what the people who value fast campaign for trade are doing

[potent harbor]

Based on Ziggy's footage, can we tell if Gathering Lightning's Beam hits the initial target like base Static Strike would, or are the beams only for extra targets?

[stark badger]

even if I agree with the sentiment for the average player

[worthy cave]

4 stones is SO much easier now

but muck faven 😭

[true flower]

the servers are nervous its anticipating its own fall

[tawdry olive]

no i get it, if you use that fast campaign to snowball and buy like unsplit helicals day 1 and then continue that momentum

[worthy cave]

because you can just pick and choose which memory strand to pursue at the top of tree

[tawdry olive]

i know that has a lot of value

im just saying a lot of players focus so much on the campaign

and then just let up after that

[worthy cave]

Okay question...what league content is best for ele hit crit slayer?

[hard cliff]

you can still cheat maven nothings changed

[worthy cave]

it doesn't have the gigawide multiscreen coverage that deadeye has for legion

and expedition royally fucks crit-ailment builds because there are just so many mods that fuck you

[stark badger]

yeah my campaign advice for most players would be more like "learn to not hate the acts instead"

[worthy cave]

avoid ailments, can't crit, mobs block

[ember wharf]

anything but stacked deck I think

[worthy cave]

Nah, expedition is trash

[ember wharf]

yeah

[pulsar dune]

Blight during atlas prog is pretty comfy IME

[worthy cave]

ailment crit builds get hosed by expedition

[pulsar dune]

Especially on a powerful build like ele hit

Or just click betrayal

[worthy cave]

what's good about betrayal?

[ember wharf]

I think its just theses two that are bad no?

[whole bluff]

It better be good on my wonky league start of spellslinger poison 😡

[ember wharf]

a lot of good rare/uniques/currency

[stark badger]

also I think rerolling is less bad than sticking to an unenjoyable build

[worthy cave]

Currency?

[ember wharf]

I just cant like it but my friend loves it

[worthy cave]

problem is you need giga damage and tank to make betrayal comfy

[pulsar dune]

Bunch of high value random drops, some gambling, scarabs, tonnes of xp

[worthy cave]

and you ahve to know the whole setup thing

I get that there' ssome sort of 2-5-5-2 thing

[pulsar dune]

I've done betrayal on some pretty terrible builds

[gloomy talon]

betrayal is great for xp until like 93

[tawdry olive]

i agree, i actually love the acts up to 2 stones, its a little perplexing why some hate it, and sometimes its even contradictory.

like the acts is where you get steady power progression, see your character grow every few mins, ground equipment can actually matter etc. These are the same kinds of things people usually complain about not being there when in the endgame

[whole bluff]

Oblit weapon swap, cremation, it should be good for blight tbh

[ember wharf]

ele hit has it no?

[worthy cave]

and I think you need to uh have relationships between 2 and 5

but nto between 5-5 or 2-2

[pulsar dune]

Also you're planning for ele hit, you won't have power problems

[ember wharf]

giga tank n dmg

[worthy cave]

warden doesn't have giga-tank 😭

[ember wharf]

oh

[whole bluff]

Assassin is a turd 😭

[worthy cave]

slayer sort of does

[pulsar dune]

Ele hit warden???

[worthy cave]

I mean theoretically she shoudl be better than slayer b/c she's built for tinctures

[pulsar dune]

Also betrayal really doesn't hurt that badly

[worthy cave]

and oath of winter is great

[ember wharf]

I thought you were going for duelist asc

[worthy cave]

Yeah I'm thinking slayer

b/c slayer just seems to be all-around better on trash gear

[teal hinge]

Outside of the boss chaos explosions, those can catch some builds out

[worthy cave]

and I'm not sure that slayer is even worse on damage

[ember wharf]

I will do toxic rain pathfinder to do heists

[worthy cave]

considering slayer incentivizes scaling frenzy

[pulsar dune]

Warden is probably more damage just because it's warden

The girl is all damage nodes

[worthy cave]

not all

oath of winter

is pure "slow the enemy"

but you gotta hit them first

so that's hit-based conditional defenses

[pulsar dune]

And it's a 1/3 on ele hit

[worthy cave]

yeah I wonder how long it lasts

like if you get a giant crit on the cold hit

[whole bluff]

I don't think you can build Warden in a natural way and have remotely close to same dmg on most other ele attacks. But that assumes you're happy with Warden being naturally glass

[worthy cave]

yeah that's the thing

like here might be a hack on warden

get a carry for olroth

ynda's stand

stack eva

[pulsar dune]

I'd be surprised if you hit over the 2s minimum on oath of winter

[whole bluff]

If you spend 80 passives and 5 gear slots trying to make Warden survivable, then slayer can prolly beat it

[worthy cave]

nah you don't spend that much on eva

it's revenge of the hunted + potentially survivalist so you get 2 masteries

15% suppress and double chest eva

[ember wharf]

avatar of wilds solve this issue no?

[keen veldt]

Is it possible to make phys totems scale enough to use the mastery and get around totem builds poor recovery

[worthy cave]

with warden you need to apply all ailmetns with each hit

[ember wharf]

aways shock freeze ignite

[worthy cave]

to stack avatar fast enough

[keen veldt]

I always hated no leech w totems

[worthy cave]

problem is stacking avatar is slow with one ailment per hit

[whole bluff]

I think Warden (or assassin for that matter) prolly comes down to trusting in ward and evasion, and getting away with it cuz SC

[worthy cave]

ghsot dance necrotic

couple it with 2x eva from chest mastery

[whole bluff]

The PoB I got inspired by was divine flesh

[worthy cave]

pathfinder really abuses that with master surgeon + sorrow of the divine + corrupted soul + runegraft of fortress

[whole bluff]

For olroth assassin

[worthy cave]

but yeah you can't divine flesh with corrupted soul 😭

I wish divine flesh let you use ES for something

but it just basically says "you have no ES unless you use it for EB"

[pulsar dune]

It's not all damage can X, no?

It just gives you 100% chance if I'm reading it correctly

[dusty mesa]

what are the totem league starts people are playing that isn't KF?

[ember wharf]

shockwave for sanctum runners I think

[finite quail]

holy flame totem

[dusty mesa]

hmmm

[pulsar dune]

Storm burst totems got a bit of a clear buff

The strongest general purpose spell totem still pretty sure

[dusty mesa]

I'm stuck on the idea of totems and don't want to play SA ballistas

[pulsar dune]

Always inflict doesn't mean all damage can inflict I'm pretty sure

[potent bramble]

RF with the new Transfigured totem?

[dusty mesa]

both storm burst and holy flame sound fun

[ember wharf]

ohh I think I understand now

[potent bramble]

Or someone earlier linked a totem build where the totems use a transfigured Frostblink

[pulsar dune]

Wintry blast totems should be real, true

[main pike]

you can have multiple masters in the same map now right

[dusty mesa]

most people use frostblink mines, no?

[pulsar dune]

Yea, mines are probably a bit better

[pulsar dune]

For a couple leagues now, yea

[main pike]

I feel like the master restriction was eons ago

ok cool

[steep sphinx]

with the risk of sounding dumb, is there any build that could replicate time stop or time manipulation by any means? would be cool af but not sure if its possible

[heady cliff]

temporal rift gem

[main pike]

vaal flicker

[crisp obsidian]

@karmic gust what's the 40% cdr support used for in the manamine build

[steep sphinx]

thx

[hexed mountain]

divine ire

[rancid sluice]

was there something mentioned about trans gems being easier to get now? i thought i saw that somewhere

[hexed mountain]

storm burst too

[tawdry olive]

if you freeze everyone else it's like you stopped time!

[hexed mountain]

cloak no?

[teal hinge]

Not significantly, they pnly changed the rare one

[karmic gust]

the new one

oh for

yes for cloak

[dusty mesa]

isn't clear pretty pepega on these

[hardy heron]

If you would get a random e.g. Penance Brand gem, you can now pick which one you get

[crisp obsidian]

But it's 4linked in pob smh

With 21/20 gems

[main pike]

trans gem option in lab is choose now

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[teal hinge]

If you roll the thing that guarantees a transfigured version of the gem you put in, you can pick which version now

[karmic gust]

ah oops :d

weell enhance doesnt rly do much

[rancid sluice]

oh i see ok nice

[teal hinge]

But its still the rare roll

[cerulean breach]

@fossil mural bleed eq glad https://pobb.in/6jeaiWTKQ8LR

[crisp obsidian]

Yeah was just making sure it doesn't do anything funky to the build

Looking real solid atm

[heady cliff]

temporal rift is sleeper op btw

[crisp obsidian]

I want it to work

[heady cliff]

only 10% reservation for temporal chains immunity and panic button

[hexed mountain]

GGG really gave us the choice to pick PBoD the same patch they killed PBoD , nice ragebait

[karmic gust]

yea i adjusted it without es and shit

because i forgot to not calculate that

[crisp obsidian]

Ye I saw

[karmic gust]

and replaced frost shield with bmc

[steep sphinx]

hmmm true!

[leaden gust]

what skills are people running with herald stacker this league now that pbod is deadeded

[heady cliff]

classical "release an uber tier skin for (something) one patch before nerfs"

[tawdry olive]

i mean they gave earthshatter the tapping and its still among the best starters

[stoic shore]

How shit is warden ice shot pen

[tawdry olive]

oh wait you meant skins? nvm

[hardy heron]

Good for Blight of Contagion, ig

[crisp obsidian]

Wait it can run alchemist quicksilver? That's huge W

[karmic gust]

pbod probs still your best option ngl

[dim gyro]

i refuse to play warden after the few times i did try it out. having to press tinctures + unbound gets annoying fast

[hexed mountain]

warden is the best asc in the game , and i'm totally unbiased

unbound is bait

[teal hinge]

Lol

[karmic gust]

its tides build so ofc why would it run anythigng else :d

[stoic shore]

Lmao

[worthy cave]

I think only a PF can run that in hideout

[stoic shore]

Both sides of the coin right there

[worthy cave]

Not sure if Hiero with tides can

b/c PF invests a fair bit to sustain flasks

[karmic gust]

well it doesnt have 100% uptime

but its good enough

[crisp obsidian]

I was assuming it would be like 30-40% uptime and not worth it

[worthy cave]

ah

[crisp obsidian]

Ye ofc

[worthy cave]

I just wish that PF had more nodes to click on in ascendancy

[whole bluff]

this talk of flasks make me want to play more pconc

[hexed mountain]

still on the fence of starting guardian holy strike or warden miner

[crisp obsidian]

We all do

[worthy cave]

Jungroan was talking about how he wanted ascendancies to have more options within the ascendancies

I don't get what would be wrong with just adding more options for each ascendancy

or at least making sure the existing ones are taken

[whole bluff]

zoom, delete some mobs, zoom, zoom

[untold birch]

Oh, I thought league start was tomorrow lol

[crisp obsidian]

Work hours

[tawdry olive]

balance hard... game deep

[gentle ice]

it is 🤔

[hardy heron]

Depends on your timezone

[worthy cave]

Balance easy. We have Phrecia ascendancies to draw from.

[gentle ice]

Mirage league start time (in your local timezone) -> <t:1772823600:F>

[karmic gust]

yea i would totally play this on PF if it made any sense even remotely and you know i dont need much to slap shiton PF :d

[hexed mountain]

i've seen exactly ONE build taking this node since release

and it was for the memes

[crisp obsidian]

Atleast we get the pf flask clicking on other ascendancies now

[stoic horizon]

it is tomorrow for everyone except people who have 20 mins before midnight rn

[whole bluff]

what is that?

[stoic shore]

Is Screams of the desiccated gonna be bis on any build for the most part?

[hexed mountain]

fanaticism

[worthy cave]

Yeahhh uhhhh

[fallow escarp]

Divine Blast not having a melee or projectile tag is so cancer...gotta do super janky scaling

[whole bluff]

ah, lmao

[worthy cave]

I don't get how you're supposed to do that in poe1

when it's all about holding down one button

[untold birch]

Sure hope someone doesnt check that math lol

[worthy cave]

like if there were some sort of spell/attack 1-2 build that scaled off of the same element

so you attacked and cast

[untold birch]

To be clear, I was just baiting, hoping for "wait what!?" reactions

[worthy cave]

actually no

[karmic gust]

yea i can finally maybe get this achievement :d

[worthy cave]

that node looks reasonable in a vacuum

[potent bramble]

Yesn't. With the optimal shrine rolls (varying per build) it'll probably be BIS for most builds, but if you have a dead shrine then it's probably just outright worse than mageblood or a well-rolled rare

[worthy cave]

use a movement skill -> tons of cast speed

[hexed mountain]

you just scale ele on it no? goddess wand and go ham

[whole bluff]

people who are +6.5 to GMT should have it today

[pulsar dune]

GGG seems to feel an incredibly strong desire to make split scaling builds real

[crisp obsidian]

Holy you never ran any scion builds? Xdd

[untold birch]

Im like 6"2

[gentle ice]

Mirage league start time (in your local timezone) -> <t:1772823600:F>

[worthy cave]

now this one

[stoic horizon]

not possible, its still more than 24h away

[stoic shore]

So just carry around all three of those belts lmao

[worthy cave]

That one just seems like...

[karmic gust]

never had any reason to yea :d

also lol

[worthy cave]

that route wants you to scale both attacking and casting

[karmic gust]

i actually did level as melee few times

but i did not had fort

xd

[fallow escarp]

Yeah end game you have 3 options. Phys as ele(probably herald stacker), Enmity ring full fire(probably cheiftan), and str stack jugg with Osin

[worthy cave]

which I suppose is possible with onslaught?

[pulsar dune]

We have so much support for attack/spells where both deal damage, attack/minions where both deal damage, spell/minion both deal damage, and none of it is good

Except maybe Dom blow

[tawdry olive]

who even thinks about defences in the campaign, ewww

[whole bluff]

ah it also moves release, I'm dumb

[crisp obsidian]

I guess it's mainly for aurabots and past hyperscalers

[untold birch]

I do! In poe2

[potent bramble]

I mean the shrines don't change unexpectedly, or possibly at all. So it's more just that like if you rolled something like 'always crit' and you're running RF, that's kinda wasted on you

[worthy cave]

well considering you get battlemage on the way

Well, CoC doesn't really benefit

[crisp obsidian]

I think this might be one of the rarest achies to get nowadays

[karmic gust]

yea. even when herald stackers were popular i did i think trickster? or idk which asc i did actually

[hexed mountain]

guess ele and osin could use the shield of light on the side for some burst

[crisp obsidian]

My guess would land on templar

[pulsar dune]

I saw a funny blade vortex/cyclone build recently

It was awful, unfortunately

[karmic gust]

oh yea maybe

[stark badger]

remember chris wilson saying that an item only has value if it's valuable to someone else, not to you

[untold birch]

Yall starting hc?

[fallow escarp]

Its just the fact that you have to scale all generic damage because it has no tags. The entire bottom left of the tree has "with melee" on them.

[stark badger]

finding a good item that you can't use is hitting the jackpot according to The Vision

[whole bluff]

I'm... 5'8 or something. But as squat as your average neanderthal so at least not tiny

[teal hinge]

I've done that, and volcanic burst too, weirdly burst worked better

[pulsar dune]

As in both cyclone and burst did DPS?

[untold birch]

Actually we dont even use that metric here, evidently im even taller. Almost 6.5 acutally xd

[worthy cave]

honestly, fanaticism on inquisitor looks Great

[whole bluff]

I'm 176cm on ID

[untold birch]

Just picture stick

[worthy cave]

it just means "use an attack skill to travel"

[teal hinge]

To an extent, kinda, I was on a meme feeling when sabo got xhanged

[worthy cave]

Do people really hate it that much?

[pulsar dune]

It's just kinda negative QOL, but the numbers are absurd

But also selfcast is terrible

[whole bluff]

picture 28BMI with 14% body fat when I was in shape, then add some body fat cuz I'm way out of shape

[worthy cave]

I mean with 75% more cast speed and inc AoE?

sounds like it'd be "shield charge -> voom -> repeat"

[pulsar dune]

It's a big number, and it fixes your costs

[worthy cave]

yeah

it's just the node before it looks like a complete waste

[untold birch]

Picture gamer who also makes game kk

[worthy cave]

if it was attack speed

instead of more damage

[pulsar dune]

Yea, you'd probably just want to FF it on hiero archmage lel

[worthy cave]

then you'd be absolutely set on that route I think

I mean yeah

if there's any self-cast archetype on templar

that looks like a great FF node just gated by an absolutely trashcan 2 pointer

[untold birch]

Why out of shape, dad?

[whole bluff]

nah, just lazy + meds

[worthy cave]

That or...the battlemage isn't so bad on its own though, either

[tough cove]

getting old sucks

[untold birch]

Psych shit will do it. Sorry

[worthy cave]

Waiiiiiiit, battlemage can be quite good

[whole bluff]

it does, yeah

[worthy cave]

we might crack longevity escape velocity in millennial lifetimes

I.E. halt aging -> reverse it

though question how affordable it'll be

[potent bramble]

We already know how to do it, we just don't know how to do it

[worthy cave]

if the US gouges people through the nose for it, it might just be time to move to Israel 😛

like if we had universal healthcare in the US

but yeah, US put all their passives into offense/defense/IIR, and none into recovery 😛

[untold birch]

We just need to find the cure for cancer. The morons can't even figure out that the cure is death. Anytime now tho

[worthy cave]

In other words, Uncle Sam plays Champion 😛

[low lava]

they are like, we can print new humans.

[worthy cave]

well, that's actually a big problem for Western nations r/n

esp. SKorea and Japan

[tawdry olive]

ive kinda started relating more and more to the crazy immortality seeking type villains... used to be such an alient concept as a kid
which probably isn't a good thing

[worthy cave]

They're really awful at playing minion-spawning builds 😛

[kindred silo]

just dont be xenophobic smh

[worthy cave]

I'm not talking xenophobia, I'm talking statistics 😭

[worthy cave]

That's just the writers being assholes.

[kindred silo]

well u can just increase immigration if u want more people

[low lava]

+4 levels to add +1 to maximum soliders, summoned.

[raw cove]

That's enough yall

[worthy cave]

Villain seeks immortality, but in reality: we create healthcare innovation in order to live just a little longer.

[rancid sluice]

we'll all be synthetics dont worry. or ive watched too much alien: earth lately

[potent bramble]

To the best of my understanding death via old age is really a byproduct of slow-rate organ failure because you get to a point where your cells aren't reproducing fast enough to replace the ones that die, and so your organs become less and less effective over time. A very overly simplified explanation is that there's a counter that limits that number of times a cell can undergo mitosis, but that counter is controlled by a fairly simple bit in your genetic makeup. So all we need to do is figure out how to disable that specific counter and theoretically we just don't die from old age anymore. That's assuming, of course, that the cells continue to limit when they split, in such a way that we don't cause cancerous growths.

Science is cool, yo

[low lava]

O_O

[tawdry olive]

oh no GET DOWN

[untold birch]

Just start appreciating what you have more. If it was ever-lasting you probably would just appreciate it less.

[raw cove]

Back to poe talk please not whatever this is

[potent bramble]

All that being said, it's too much brain for me and I'd rather play PoE lmao

[untold birch]

Leeks?

That would certainly help

[crisp obsidian]

How would leeks help with talking about poe

[worthy cave]

though yeah the more I play Poe

[rancid sluice]

you wouldnt be hungry and waiting at least

[worthy cave]

the more I despise the base passive tree

[tough token]

When do we get technical details of league launch, downtime, download size and such

[untold birch]

They'd be nutritional and we'd gain much needed IQ

[worthy cave]

it's like "I really wish I could path to slayer with warden and pick up revenge of the hunted + colloidal mixture"

but very specific notables say: "you must go to THIS specific spot on the tree"

[potent bramble]

Uhhhh there's leaks in boats, so if PoE has leeks then it's boat league confirmed? Idk, that one feels like a stretch even to me

[hazy kiln]

at some point today. NZ work day is only just starting

[worthy cave]

I think a far better system would have been "this paritulcar wheel requires such and such attribute requirements"

I.E. imagine if every wheel on the passive tree was its own little cluster jewel instead with its own attribute reqs

[odd flicker]

No that's bad

[cloud pilot]

everything Ilya writes sounds horrible

thank fuck it's not like that

[worthy cave]

Why not?

[crisp obsidian]

Then everyone is going supreme ostilletation or w/e removes attri reqs

[low lava]

On league day, do most of meet early at work to be prepared. Or later to make sure there are people to monitor everything ?

[worthy cave]

Errrrrr

I mean okay that'd be removed lmao

or rather, it'd only work on gear

[untold birch]

Wouldn't know. Sure dude's not a bot?

[potent bramble]

I wonder how broken it would be to take the 6 'inner' jewels, like the ones that branch out from Scion area to the rest of the tree, and make them travel spots like the gateways on the Atlas tree

[hazy kiln]

league start is 8am local time so not many people are in before launch, only those required to deploy and test the patch

[worthy cave]

but basically the idea being that right now, you need to be at a very very specific spot for a specific notable

and that you can't mix and match them for a specific route

[past mantle]

Just replace ultrakill with poe.

[crisp obsidian]

Sounds ass

Everyones gonna path the same way then

[potent bramble]

So like if you allocated the jewel socket next by Unwavering Stance, you could then allocate the one up by Pain Attunement and be able to continue your tree on the opposite side of the mesh

[worthy cave]

ooh

that sounds fun

[odd flicker]

So you want to kill build creativity

[worthy cave]

no

I just want more supportive wheels in more places on the tree

[untold birch]

Sounds like ggg prioritize sleep over launch issues? Wth!

[split maple]

Isn't that kinda going into ascendant veggies

[potent bramble]

For balance reasons it'd probably have to remove the jewel socket function of them

[worthy cave]

like right now, there is only One 10% inc. flask effect notable on the entire tree

Natural Remedies

and it's over in f'ing la-la land

[stark badger]

wait that is the actual dev, I should go buy ultrakill right now if only to support his attitude

[past mantle]

I think we need a test for ideas guys before they can talk about their ideas.
They have to show a build that has something interesting going for it that can do yellow maps.

[dark sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FVnFNmnQDo i dont know why this unknown man showed up in my recommended but its kinda inspiring. im happy for this random guy iv never seen before and hope he finds new hobbies and friends. i couldnt quit perma cold terkey vidya games if i wanted

[split maple]

You know this league you will be able to Mix and Match clusters Ilya right

[runic terrace]

LOG IN (in 24 hours)

[untold birch]

Whats that

[past mantle]

Imagine Doom Eternal but good.

[untold birch]

Whats that

[dark sequoia]

Didnt one game have a passive tree full of concentric wheels you could rotate

[gentle ice]

⚠️ 24 hours remaining until league start !! ⚠️
<t:1772823600:F>

[potent bramble]

If they were to do that, it saves 15 passive points over just pathing through the middle. So I don't think it'd be too strong, you wouldn't be able to reach crazy far without sacrificing more of whatever the class is 'designed' for

[low lava]

Thats understanding, im guessing its only like this on league start days. ?
Gotta make sure people are refreshed XD

[heady cliff]

LET ME IN

[past mantle]

Imagine an FPS but fun.

[hazy kiln]

wolcen did that yeah

[untold birch]

I played doom 3d if it helps

[tawdry olive]

common trend with pretty much anything tbh, users can tell you there's a problem but not what to do about it, not through any fault of their own, they just lack the overall perspective

[worthy cave]

like see this spot?

This spot is just kind of bad

[hazy kiln]

yeah, league launches are very unusual work days. also because it's saturday for us lol

[past mantle]

The only solution is 100000 years in prison for having a single idea.

[untold birch]

Mate I have 12-14k hours in poe, what are these games

[past mantle]

Imagine poe but you're playing a bow build in first person.

[stark badger]

"tell you there's a problem but not what to do about it" is expected and reasonable from players/consumers, "tell you there's a problem and suggest the worst possible alternative imaginable" is another problem in itself tho

[restive dome]

GGG, release the .json files for all exceptional support descriptions right now

[untold birch]

Because they fucked up the camera?

[cloud pilot]

how many are actually in office on league launches? compared to regular days

[dark sequoia]

Breach 2.0 made me realize I've been playing for ten years. 👴

[worthy cave]

Counterpoint:

"Complaining about a problem without offering a solution is called whining."

--Teddy Roosevelt

[cloud pilot]

I imagine you don't need everyone

[past mantle]

New mode.

[low lava]

Oh yeah, a day ahead 😂
Probably some good either overwork hours or hours for the holidays 😛

[hazy kiln]

not that many, just people involved in the deploy/test and people who can fix urgent issues

[worthy cave]

Like we KNOW that pathfinder has 3 basically dead nodes

[cloud pilot]

makes sense

[hazy kiln]

like I won't be working tomorrow lol

[worthy cave]

But theyv'e been dead for leagues because Pathfinder papers that over by being a league-starter bot.

[hazy kiln]

I'll be playing 🙂

[split maple]

Here you go ilya

[low lava]

champ 😂

[stark badger]

https://gifs.cackhanded.net/raiders-of-the-lost-ark/top-men.gif

[worthy cave]

Yes, that's nice.

[split maple]

You can slap it on cluster socket anywhere you want

[cloud pilot]

based

[potent bramble]

I try to take that mentality with me, usually. Occasionally I'll have a complaint and just up-front say "I don't have a solution to this, but I don't like XYZ thing". Usually I can suggest something though

[worthy cave]

Sure, that's one such node.

The problem with the flask cluster is that it's the only such node, and it's just the buff that grants the 10% inc. flask effect

like if it was just "you gain 20% inc. cahrges, 10% inc. flask effect, 5% inc. attack sped"

I'd absolutely love it

[split maple]

You know there is a good reason flask effect is rly limited to get

[untold birch]

Do you play both games?

[worthy cave]

Sure, but then at least let the ascendancy juice that.

[split maple]

Yeah pathfinder

We Got that

[worthy cave]

But what should be a signature node -- inc. flask effect, is in fact one of her worst nodes!

[crisp obsidian]

What if something bad happens during launch(severe server issues, balancing etc), do ppl get called into work or does it get pushed till monday?

[worthy cave]

Just mathematically speaking with arithmetic.

[split maple]

Idk man doesn't she have effect on minors

[restive dome]

100 hours a week, no lunches, sleep in the office. Salaried pay.

[worthy cave]

You get 20% inc. flask effect from your 4 little minors

[hazy kiln]

yeah, though I don't play every league of both games

[split maple]

Was a while since I did pathf

[odd flicker]

So wtf do you want

[worthy cave]

No I mean nature's boon

[split maple]

Who cares about it

[worthy cave]

Is just awful by the arithemetic

[split maple]

You Got rly good minors

[worthy cave]

Ummmmmmmmm?

[slow sonnet]

Hmmm maybe I'll go wintertide brand

[odd flicker]

Minors?

[hazy kiln]

there will be people who are capable of fixing any given issue working on launch day

[worthy cave]

Yeah, good minors, and only 4 good notables

[restive dome]

ayo?? jeffrey? that you?

[hazy kiln]

no thank you lol

[split maple]

[worthy cave]

And those 4 notables paper over the fact tha tthey're basically the ONLY 4 notables

[past mantle]

Viper I got bad news, I signed you up as fire marshall and they NEED you in tomorrow.

[worthy cave]

Whereas shouldn't ascendancy classes have like 7-8 decent choices?

Like look at elementalist

even if you absolutely blew up her golem node

[split maple]

Idk man pf feels alright

[worthy cave]

she'd still have a bunch of great choices

[split maple]

It's a decent heister

[untold birch]

Injected with nutrients while sitting on a toilet already?

[worthy cave]

Yes, for heist (LUL) and for poison builds

[crisp obsidian]

That's good to know, it's something I have always wondered about. Do they work on sunday too or is that based on how well launch goes? Idk if you can even answer this, appreciate it tho

[worthy cave]

So we're agreeing that she has 4 good notables.

[split maple]

That's two jobs more than some ascendancies got

Like idk where is your issue

[past mantle]

What's the problem with the asc being good at something?

[hazy kiln]

depends on how launch goes

[worthy cave]

That I'd like her other 3 notables to not be hot garbage?

[slow sonnet]

Cough cough assassin cough cough

[worthy cave]

Assassin is probably fantastic once you FF his choice node

[potent bramble]

Tbf that's part of the reason for Bloodlines to exist

[icy swan]

glacial cascade vs lighting nova whats better

[past mantle]

Assassin isn't bad at it's jobs any more.

[worthy cave]

and they suck, too!

[low lava]

https://tenor.com/view/travolta-network-messy-network-where-cable-data-center-gif-13242014052849642896

problems be like

[past mantle]

Probs nova.

[split maple]

Ilya did you ever Play with a bloodline

[worthy cave]

because Octavian said "if you have 3 points in the bloodline and 1 in your ascendancy, are you still your base ascendancy anymore?"

So GGG made sure that they were super-limited.

[slow sonnet]

"Just spend several divines for your basic mechanics" damn

[granite totem]

How come my maps won't go into my maps tab? I hopped back on after about a year of not playing and normally if you assign the affinity to maps they all just auto go in when you ctrl click but they won't anyone happen to know how to fix that

[crisp obsidian]

Kinda what I assumed, was just always a lil scared there would be some major issues and cause of weekend it would get delayed but then again that hasn't happen so far either

[split maple]

Like I Heard from you a lot of time how sucky they are but never any real reasons except Bah Bah minions

[worthy cave]

"Double crit chance+100% mult"

Like the choice node is just kind of pepega until you FF it

and then holy shit

I will admit that the 2-point power charge node is godawful

and then it gates 2 other nodes--one of which is also awful

[slow sonnet]

Yeah but the thing is that you need a FF which will cost a mountain of divs

[worthy cave]

Does it?

[past mantle]

Assassin is the crit poison/coc asc and it does that well.

[lilac fern]

time to ask chatgpt what new skills for 3.28 might be good and why. i'd like to thank the community for their hard work and the videos so i can get all the information i need

[worthy cave]

I haven't kept track of those prices

[past mantle]

Is that a problem really?

[still wing]

YO, is archmage SNoP easy to play, or is it hard????

[worthy cave]

I mean I think every node should be compelling in its own way

[still wing]

i never played archmag shit before

[odd flicker]

Chapgpt is ass for poe

[crisp obsidian]

FF were so rare I wouldn't be surprised if GGG changed droprate

[split maple]

Ilya do you even Play the game btw

[worthy cave]

Yes

[split maple]

Or Just shitpost

[civic charm]

Ngl archmage will be expensive.

[worthy cave]

Like I'm trying to make a basic-ass assertion here

[hazy kiln]

nah, we always make sure that we're covered to fix anything that could hypothetically come up on launch day. like I have worked some launch days in the past in cases where I'm the person in charge of something that could conceivably have urgent issues.

[worthy cave]

"we can agree that 3 of Pathfinder's nodes are garbage, can they be buffed to be compelling for what they're supposed to do?"

[low lava]

ask here instead, maybe ?

[civic charm]

But it may also be cheap if you're slow. Bc you'll get everyone's hand me down gear.

[worthy cave]

and peple just say "well, she has OTHER good ndoes so fuck off"

[past mantle]

Assassin isn't bad because it isn't good at what it does, it's just that what it does is purely damage.
There's plenty of room in the game for that.

[civic charm]

Why you not using Gemini?

[gentle chasm]

coding in some easy to fix issues on launch for that sweet overtime pay

[worthy cave]

Yep, QoL would be nice from an ascendancy

[gentle chasm]

[crisp obsidian]

Nice, thanks for the answers!

[worthy cave]

it's why slayer >> warden

[civic charm]

Gemini is much better than gpt for Poe

[lilac fern]

haven't used gemini yet, i always chatgpt

[potent bramble]

Gotta ask ChatMNG - answers are prompt, quality may vary

[past mantle]

?

[odd flicker]

Ok give me a Leaguestarter which is max 1 Div and minimum 50 m raw Dps, 100k ehp and minimum 30k maxhit.

[cloud pilot]

please get a grip

[past mantle]

We just saying shit now huh?

[worthy cave]

but it isn't like warden is necessarily all that much worse--it's just that warden's defensive route is a meme

[slow sonnet]

That's the problem. You got a compelling node stuck behind pure ass

[worthy cave]

Agree.

[past mantle]

No it isn't lol.

[crisp obsidian]

Xddd

[odd flicker]

Both are tradh

[low lava]

Check out Dexykai on yt 😂

[odd flicker]

Trash

[worthy cave]

Comapre the borkskin route to masterful form

It's day and f'ing night

[past mantle]

What?

[civic charm]

Works for me 👀. User error

[worthy cave]

You're not seriously coming in here defending the barkskin route.

[untold birch]

If anyone needs inspiration, here's my notes from a few years ago

[past mantle]

Are we going to pretend that barkskin is bad?

[worthy cave]

Compared to masterful form? YES?

[crisp obsidian]

Show me your AI made build rn

[split maple]

Well masterful form is one of the most ridiculus nodes in the game, but tbh barkskin rly isn't bad

[worthy cave]

It does one thing: reduce physical attack hits.

and then even not all that well, either

[low lava]

Was tempted to rent hardware at some point to train it only on POE, poe builds and POB's

But too expensive as a learning thing 😂

[civic charm]

It won't make an entire build unless you upload the atlas tree json

And graph it

[split maple]

Ilya barky is kinda good nowadays

[lilac fern]

Most likely to be accidentally broken:
Holy Hammers

[past mantle]

No?

It also has the whole evasion part?

[civic charm]

But you can use it to help you plan one. With links etc

[crisp obsidian]

Sounds like it can't make a build

[past mantle]

Plus it has a spell part to it now?

[worthy cave]

And that part is even more meme

reduces a single element by 25 per bark

[past mantle]

What?

[crisp obsidian]

Barkskin is decent

[restive dome]

@hazy kiln DO you know if any teasers are coming today?

[worthy cave]

and then gets you suppress

[past mantle]

2nd barkskin node is extremely powerful.

[odd flicker]

That is not a leaguestarter, max hits are trash

[worthy cave]

Am I misreading it then? It says reduces 25/25/25 fire/cold/light

[teal hinge]

What about the new melee skill capable of doing 2700% of base damage before any other modifiers to a single target if you have enough enemies and aoe?

[potent bramble]

My father, who's growing increasingly less fiscally responsible as he ages, did buy enough gear to run an LLM from home. You'll be shocked to hear that it didn't go well and he subsequently abandoned the project and returned the hardware

[worthy cave]

So iuf you have 10 bark stacks

[odd flicker]

And that was last league

[worthy cave]

you reduce the hit by 250

[hazy kiln]

I do not know sorry, I am not on the community team (or particularly involved with PoE1 development at the moment tbh)

[vagrant hull]

when the update gonna hit for the POE 1

[worthy cave]

if it does one damage type

that's absolute chump change

[split maple]

That's comparable to suppress in numbers yeah

It's good

[worthy cave]

I get that if you shed all the bark you get a lot of suppress

[low lava]

Any leaguestarter you can do that is made for SSF is less then 1 divine.

[civic charm]

Can't make one 100% still gotta use the noggin. But it'll help you find supports, common interactions and also help you find upgrade paths for a current build.

[worthy cave]

Well, no, not really?

[past mantle]

That's really good plus taking hits makes you take less supress damage.

[worthy cave]

Like you have 4k HP say

[restive dome]

Guys, foulborn ghostwrithe is t1 now, im sure of it.

[worthy cave]

you get smacked by a 3k damage spell

[toxic pier]

Wen pob update

[crisp obsidian]

Ok show me proof of it doing that at an acceptable level

[split maple]

Pls Ilya open up pob and simulate a few different enemies

[worthy cave]

250 damage prevented is what...

1/12th

[split maple]

It's rly strong

[worthy cave]

You rpevent 8%

[past mantle]

Huh?

That's not how flat reduction works?

[split maple]

You have reses right

[worthy cave]

I mean after resists

[past mantle]

You first apply res, suppress and then the flat.

[low lava]

Yeah, i would do online renting. Paying for what power i used.
And only have a flat pay for the data that the model learned.

But i need around 12-16gb vram for pob calculations 😂

[split maple]

I hope you got them

[worthy cave]

sure

[odd flicker]

I asked for 50m DPS..... You are even worse than chatgpt actually.

[split maple]

Since after res 250 is a gazilion

[worthy cave]

so let's say you get hit for 3k after res + suppress

[odd flicker]

No offense tho

[worthy cave]

No, that's absurd.

Because spells in this game don't hit for 500 damage from a boss

they hit for like 2000

Like go and get hit by Sirus's die beam with 75 res and capped suppress

[split maple]

So 2000 to 10% -250

[worthy cave]

he will kill your capped suppress ass from 4k HP and 75 res

[split maple]

Do the math

[whole bluff]

I mean, unless the trend changes it's just a matter of time

[worthy cave]

now compare that to a slayer scaling frenzies

masterful form + 3 on tree + darkrays

preventing 32% of die beam

[past mantle]

3000 damage spell.
75% from res to bring it down to 750.
40% suppress to bring it down to 450.
250 to bring it down to 200.
It's effectively 55% less damage in this scenario.

[crisp obsidian]

Sure but not for a while

[worthy cave]

No.

[past mantle]

Maybe if you knew how the math worked you'd like something in this game.

[worthy cave]

12,000 damage spell.

I'm saying 3,000 after resists

[whole bluff]

Closer to months than decades is my guess

[worthy cave]

Endgame spells aren't tuned for 0 resists.

They're tuned for 75.

Try to follow what I'm saying.

[spice bison]

testing ele hit leveling and this just drops in act 3

[past mantle]

?

[split maple]

Ilya rly focus

[worthy cave]

Okay, let's consider Sirus's die beam

[low lava]

wasnt trying to help you, was trying to get you to google around.
If you cant find something you want, make it. And ask for help to make something here in the build planning channels.

If a build can be made in SSF and get 20-100m DPS. Then you should be fine.

[past mantle]

I love moving goal posts because you can't follow what you're saying.

[worthy cave]

it'll kill a character with capped suppress and capped res at 4k HP

Agree?

[past mantle]

I don't care.

[worthy cave]

I'm giving you an example.

[past mantle]

You already gave an example you couldn't follow.

[worthy cave]

A very real, empirical example.

No, you couldn't follow it.

[split maple]

Man 250 flat reduction is absolutely giga in 99% of scenarios

[crisp obsidian]

Oh man just write your example out

[worthy cave]

I'm talking about an endgame big spell that kills characters

[crisp obsidian]

Instead of fighting

[worthy cave]

Something like Sirus's die beam

[past mantle]

Then why did you write a 3000 spell then?

[gritty epoch]

Thanks for your report, you have both Ghost Dance and Iron Reflexes allocated.

Ghost Dance prevents you from recovering Energy Shield above your Evasion rating, Iron Reflexes converts all your Evasion into Armour.

[worthy cave]

that just kills people from full

[split maple]

Endgame you don't have Just 75% res

[worthy cave]

Because I meant 3000 after resists

[crisp obsidian]

Can someone screenshot die beam from poedb ty

[split maple]

And you also have other layers lol

[worthy cave]

Sure, you have resists and suppress

But again, Sirus Die Beam kills suppressed characters from full HP

[past mantle]

Oh sorry, I'll just read your mind next time?

[worthy cave]

Again, I wasn't talking about scratch damage spells.

[potent bramble]

Life/armor stacking, EZPZ

[worthy cave]

I'm talking about the stuff that actually kills you.

[crisp obsidian]

Please share a screenshot of it from poedb

[odd flicker]

I would like to but sadly I don't have the time to try around XD. If I'm lucky I can play 6 hours a week

[crisp obsidian]

So we can calculate the damage

[past mantle]

Being support for GGG must be the worst thing ever.

[worthy cave]

And he fires 3 of those

And again, physical doesn't apply to spells

[split maple]

Which one it is? There is a lot of 1400 beams before resists

For nonuber

[worthy cave]

Oh right and that might even be even more damage on uber?

but basically say you lose track of his ass

[low lava]

https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/explosive-arrow-ballista-champion-league-starter

The build i linked should work in SSF, as i think. One would correct me. Ziz did it in SSF HC once.

If you get to play that little, its best to find a build maker that also explain crafts.
Not just trying to stay within 1 divine.

[split maple]

Dude where is that a 12000 hit

[worthy cave]

It's split into 3

[split maple]

That's 4 2k hits

[winter vortex]

Is there campaign skip yet?

[crisp obsidian]

No

[past mantle]

Never will be one.

[crisp obsidian]

Never will be

[silk scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-skeleton-shield-skeleton-meme-war-gif-17340534991599908951

[tough cove]

what usually kills people with sirius is the phys part

[worthy cave]

oh, and neither of warden's notables do anything about the physical beam

right

and Warden's 4 point route doesn't cover phys spells

[past mantle]

This part does.

[worthy cave]

or elemental attack hits

[odd flicker]

Sorry but I hate EA I'm sick of it tbh. I played it twice and idk why but I just can't even touch the gem anymore

[worthy cave]

Ah yes, let me just shed all my bark on command.

Which honestly I wish tehre were an option to do just that

[past mantle]

You can do that.

[gritty epoch]

dump all your POBs here so i can steal it we can learn

[past mantle]

You can disable the skill and reenable it.

[hexed mountain]

W1rden goes eva es and has ghost dance

[rancid peak]

Oh wait, are Volatile Vaals just Sanctification?

[past mantle]

Also so what if it doesn't cover every defence? Does that mean it's bad?

[crisp obsidian]

Unique only

[past mantle]

What is this line of thought?

[low lava]

Then try and look at some of the other SSF/HC players/build makers.
That was just one i found.
Because i know Ziz does alot of SSF and HC combined.

[rancid peak]

Still fucking nuts 💀

[worthy cave]

I'm saying that you're spending 4 ascendancy points, and then you get a convoluted mechanic that's functionally worse than a 2-pointer

Like are you kidding me here?

[past mantle]

It's only convoluted if you can't read. :xdd:

[crisp obsidian]

You can have endu charges and bark btwbtw

[hexed mountain]

Its far from worse but it hard to justify it on warden against tinctures

[worthy cave]

Okay, far easier rework: prevent 60 damage per bark from all hits, gain +3% evasion chance and +3% prevented suppressed damage per each bark below max

[split maple]

Ben is prolly doing earthshatter bers into Smite eblade with foulborn ghostwrithe. Looks pretty cool

[worthy cave]

Like give it the elementalist golems treatment

[odd flicker]

I'm thinking of trying out poeguys starter it looks pretty fine and I want to try totems this league anyway

[past mantle]

That's an actual real issue with warden.

[worthy cave]

Condense it into one node, make it simpler to unerstand

[low lava]

give it a go

[worthy cave]

I mean you can get tinctures and barkskin

[rancid peak]

Elementalist Golems is still fine 🤷

[worthy cave]

Sure

[past mantle]

You're not just taking barkskin, you're taking both. And you have to take tinctures. So you have to f/f the last one.

[worthy cave]

I'm saying condense the barkskin route into one node

"Prevent 60 damage per bark when you're hit"

[cobalt blade]

if somehow smites qual is local as which probably not but yknow i can hope this seems kinda nuts lol

[worthy cave]

Doesn't matter the hit damage type

[cobalt blade]

Er not smite eblades*

[worthy cave]

just 600 damage if you have 10 bark, 540 if you have 9, and so on

[crisp obsidian]

Xdddd

Pog idea

[worthy cave]

and then increase final eva chance by 2% per bark below max, and prevent 3% suppressed per bark below max

[split maple]

11k Life, 5k ES and somehow actually gets damage on pretty trashy gear

I am impressed

For Ben pob

[worthy cave]

beacuse again, warden is spending 2 ascendancy points on a purely defensive route

[cobalt blade]

Ye thats so much flat from eblade

[worthy cave]

and slayer just laughs at her anyway b/c masterful form

like people say "oh, this defensive route is ACKSHUALLY good"

[slow sonnet]

I mean it is

[worthy cave]

And if it was, we'd see it on poe.ninja

[cobalt blade]

They should collapse it into 1 node but at 600 it would be kinda nuts

[hexed mountain]

Its insane for mapping

[split maple]

Well sure masterful form is one of most broken nodes in the game. That doesn't mean barkskin is bad

[slow sonnet]

It could be better though

[cobalt blade]

like - flat applies at the end of damage calc

[hexed mountain]

You put on elevore and you are spell immune for mapping

[worthy cave]

I mean if they removed the +1 frenzy from masterful form, would it suddenly be "just balanced"?

[split maple]

Still broken

[stuck shale]

Is it still possible to change premium tabs to merch tabs ? I haven't played either POE since the change ? I cant seem to find it.

[cobalt blade]

if your getting a character tanky enough it just completely negates damage

[split maple]

Like it saves ammy slot then :p

[cobalt blade]

which is a nuts effect

[worthy cave]

Yep

replica badge is like...ewwwww

[dark grove]

I mean if you play ranger. You wish you had defences other than chance for smth or portals

[cobalt blade]

https://www.pathofexile.com/my-account/merchants-tabs

[worthy cave]

yep, you gotta either get necrotic + ghost dance

or you gotta path to duelist for endurance

[dark grove]

If u want be tanky go stack es or life

Or pure phys red

[stuck shale]

oh thank you.

[worthy cave]

pure phys red: only available on shields/armor 😭

and just gets exponentially better

[dark grove]

Just 10 endu charges gets u 40%

[worthy cave]

Just?

[past mantle]

You do know you can just invest into defences?

[worthy cave]

Ah yes, let me invest into the defenses in ranger area

[dark grove]

I got pretty broken sense of currency

[worthy cave]

Block? Nope.

Max res? Nope.

[dark grove]

After msoz

[split maple]

That folks play Rangers glassy is more of a fubby fault than Ranger fault tbh

[worthy cave]

I mean look at ranger tree

[vale holly]

Anyone having issues updating PoB?

[worthy cave]

Where are the things like max res and block?

[split maple]

Ranger area is practically rly close to shadow and duelist area you know

[past mantle]

Do you think you can't leave the confines of dex?

[pulsar dune]

Ranger area barely has life nodes

[worthy cave]

It's generally closer to shadow practically speaking

[split maple]

Good things chars aren't naked

[worthy cave]

Sure, but you can't get all your block just from your shield

and you have one little block wheel if you use swords, and it sucks

[split maple]

So you go evasion instead of block lol

[worthy cave]

12% block for 5 points

[split maple]

And make sure you Got maxhits up

[worthy cave]

yeah, so that means necrotic armor + runegraft of fortress + ghost dance

[past mantle]

Not having access to suppress on the left side of the tree is a bigger deal than not having access to max res on the right.

[split maple]

Which is issue why?

[worthy cave]

Block and spell block!

[past mantle]

Not that you can't get either if you know what you're doing.

[hexed mountain]

There is no build that stays in one class' stafting area. Why we acting like every class needs everything in its area

[split maple]

Or lightning coil

[worthy cave]

Are people really complaining that suppress > block?

[past mantle]

Okay so evasion and suppress then.

[dim sonnet]

Less than a day left and I still didnt decide on a leaguestart

[past mantle]

Once again what's even your points?

[worthy cave]

Sure, and suppress just got nerfed because...rangers too tanky?

[split maple]

Suppress is still kinda broken good

[worthy cave]

Like...in what world does that make sense?

Ah yes, because rangers suddenly have 300k EHP

[karmic gust]

suppress is broken for everyone else except rangers :d

[dim sonnet]

Suppress and block are broken

[tulip rain]

oh lord and savior deathbeam, what is in the cards
*just found your list of builds, hell yeee

[worthy cave]

I mean sure if you cap out block

[split maple]

I sure saw a bunch of pathfinders like that

[worthy cave]

but that takes a fair bit of investment

[lethal berry]

A lot of bow builds are almost entire confined to the bottom right side of tree

[worthy cave]

Sure, using a 100 div flask

[dim sonnet]

Well why wouldn't you cap block ? Do you not cap your res too ?

[split maple]

What that flask ascend uses flask is issue how

[worthy cave]

Well, you can't just roll a bunch of +block on random gear

[dry tree]

I mean suppression was super broken yes that's why it's been nerfed several times

[worthy cave]

the issue is flask = 100 divs

[hexed mountain]

Mobility oriented class isnt as tanky as class in an area with 0 movespeed

Wild

[dim sonnet]

Necro is the answer

[split maple]

So farm umaven

Lower the price

Ty very much

[worthy cave]

so can ranger area get some compensation in terms of other defensive layers?

[past mantle]

Damn it's messed up that you have to get items and invest into your build.

[frigid wedge]

so

maybe i just use frenzy

[worthy cave]

Like in what world are we making the argument that bottom right characters are too tanky?

[cobalt blade]

its rly only bows that cant be reasonably tanky on ranger area everything else can go big defensive shield

[dim sonnet]

After I capped my block and suppression I didn't die a single time shit was wild

[worthy cave]

Ranger area doesn't have support for shield, either!

[frigid wedge]

it feels like i have slightly too much

[past mantle]

I like how you made this point up because no one said that.

[cobalt blade]

it doesnt need support just a shield gives you so much

[dim sonnet]

12k es, suppression, block and leech. Ethical gameplay

[cobalt blade]

Or path down to versatile

[hexed mountain]

Ranger area has a ton of movespeed. Dont get hit, dont take damage.

Skill issue

[tawdry olive]

the suppress nerf hit just the right spot, now you still get it if you're in the right place but like I no longer even consider it on a zerker for example

[pulsar dune]

Yea, marauders and templars pathing to suppress was dumb

[worthy cave]

Quickstep.

[tawdry olive]

also tbh im kinda suprised block has been left untouched, its bonkers strong

[cobalt blade]

you can also go for defensive clusters somewhat underrated

[past mantle]

Not having strong avoidance would really kill a lot of the defensive shells.

If they nerf block they have to give something else back.

[worthy cave]

It got blown up bit by bit over time

I remember when release Rumi's was 40/20 on max roll

40/20 -> 30/15 -> 20/10 -> 12/6

and also right side had some block wheels IIRC

[split maple]

idk Ilya how you went from bah bah why is there only one flask effect node on tree we should be able to take it from opposite side of tree to bah bah barkskin is sad to bah bah bloodlines suck to bah bah ranger area having no defences is issue

can you start diversifying builds you do or smh a bit to learn around a tad

[tough vapor]

Yo for ele hit slayer, is tri ele with trinity+elemental eliqibrium strictly better than going for an avatar of fire convert fire double combat focus setup to block cold and lightning and scale fire res with enmitys embrace?

[split maple]

i am getting second hand shame there

[worthy cave]

I did play CF elementalist last league

[past mantle]

Yeah it's better.

[worthy cave]

but the more I ask around, the more it's like "selfcast has no single target tech"

[worthy cave]

so no matter what you do with elementalist, you're gonna run into the wall of "where single target?"

[grizzled lily]

mirage is dropping loot

[past mantle]

Huh?

[cosmic reef]

dark pact

[split maple]

what man

[grizzled lily]

mirage printing in campaign

[worthy cave]

I mean on self-cast spells

[dark sequoia]

How broken would a ranger node be that's like, your max evade chance is 75% but you can overcap it into damage reduction

[hexed mountain]

Ragebait

[past mantle]

Alright.

[split maple]

i hit 60mil dps on elementalist pretty handily as side project in ssf

[cobalt blade]

the one thing i do agree on is barkskin should be 1 node it is sad as 2 but its also strong

[past mantle]

We can all agree Ilya's too dumb to talk to?

[worthy cave]

Not very?

[past mantle]

I got a pie to cook instead.

[narrow yoke]

LETS GOOOO roling magma to ubers tomorrow!

[grizzled lily]

bad

[cosmic reef]

thatsnotnice

[grizzled lily]

u want 95% evade

cause u cant scale block

[split maple]

even broken clock is right twice a day moment

[grizzled lily]

so 75 will be shit

[cobalt blade]

into flat DR that is broken

[stoic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-drinking-banana-milk-silly-cute-funny-gif-16138262798108389519

[cobalt blade]

lol

[split maple]

like everytime i get rly pissy about him he gets accidentaly something right

[tranquil umbra]

getting flat dr is insane

[split maple]

like masterful form is broken 😄

[worthy cave]

Determined Survivor, Valako, Champ Fortify, and Masterful Form would all like a word.

I'm not sure where we're getting "strong" from.

[cobalt blade]

because its -flat applies at the end theres a reason they dont print that with high numbers

its a rly strong stat

[split maple]

what will you say bastion of elements is weak too or smh

all sorts of flat reduction are rly rly good

[cobalt blade]

ontop of the extra denied suppress dmg

[worthy cave]

well let's see here

[karmic gust]

if it was generic reduction it would be very good actually

[split maple]

yeah ik no one uses bastion but thats just coz elementalist is spoiled for choice

[karmic gust]

also they should just revert the right side changes

[split maple]

its hella underrated node

[dark sequoia]

Why don't more people use wildfire phloem as defense

[karmic gust]

so we can get acro/phase acro and wind dancer back

was much better

suppression was always a mistake

[cosmic reef]

it would be great to get more sources of destroy corpse on kill

[past mantle]

He pulling out the poe.ninja.

:xdd:

[worthy cave]

Dude, fuck off.

I'm trying to use some data here

So unless you have a BETTER source, take your handwaving out of here.

[split maple]

I have it

A calculator

[worthy cave]

Acting like borkskin route is decent

while it gets clowned on by every single defensive ascendancy route around

[native abyss]

nice

calculator

[stoic horizon]

clicking warden is already trolling

[worthy cave]

A calculator is theory

[stoic horizon]

let alone barfskin

[worthy cave]

Poe.ninja is observation

[hexed mountain]

Warden is really fun

[worthy cave]

In theory, practice should be like theory

in practice, it isn't

[hexed mountain]

I like big dps

[past mantle]

Luv warden.

[tough cove]

counterpoint: elusive

[worthy cave]

Okay, fine, you got me there 😛

It got gutted a while back

[split maple]

Poe.ninja is observation that elementalist has rly strong offensive ascends and two strong bloodlines. For warden that two tinctures are good yea

Doesn't mean bastion or barkskin are bad, Just that context makes folks not care so much for them rn

[worthy cave]

Context?

She's a 2% picked ascendancy

[tough vapor]

sounds good, seems like getting aof would be kinda annoying anyway. what are some of the reasons? is it due to having access to shock+chill without skitterbots?

[tough cove]

its 2% because tinctures dont fit a lot of builds

[cobalt blade]

softcore and her dmg nodes are really fucking strong

[dark sequoia]

I have been wanting to make a self-freeze warden with fulcrum but I can't get proper damage or defense with it.

[worthy cave]

On softcore.

[tough cove]

and because slayer exists and warps every melee build in the game

[split maple]

Yea coz warden real niche are hypothetical pob builds with 2 tinctures with no ergonomics :p

[past mantle]

Warden's only actual issues are that you're always locked into the same nodes and Seasoned Hunter should be a keystone.

[split maple]

Don't mean it's bad

[past mantle]

Secrets of suffering and skitterbots.

[cosmic reef]

what is cast when ward breaks support

[worthy cave]

and what would its downside be?

[gritty epoch]

new support

[tough vapor]

oh you go secrets of suffering too didnt even know that

[cosmic reef]

yo

[dark sequoia]

Does Seasoned Hunter work with the tincture passive that gives you a flask charge on melee hit

[worthy cave]

Not sure

Snoobae seems to click it for ISOP

[past mantle]

I don't really care.

[hexed mountain]

Maybe but its not a very good suffix

[past mantle]

Yeah, it would.

[worthy cave]

I mean would Warden be all that much more popular if you could just put instilling orbs on tinctures to use when CD is up?

[tough cove]

tbh bows need a tiny bit of help atm

[split maple]

A lot

[hexed mountain]

Of course

[split maple]

And like warden was kinda popular in settlers wasn't it

[spice pecan]

delete warden, add raider

[worthy cave]

nope, overshadowed by slayer even then

[candid moon]

wtf did I do that progen doesnt give me max hits?

[worthy cave]

When she was the new hype

[past mantle]

Warden wanting you to put flasks inbetween tinctures is painge.

[stoic horizon]

yeah because fungun ran it on ls iirc

[split maple]

And now has the niche of fixing fubby dps issues and funny multimirror pobs

[split maple]

Dude we know that slayer is Just broken good

That aint something suprising

[tough cove]

Thats a slayer problem not a warden problem

[worthy cave]

and yet none of his nodes besides masterful form are necessarily giga-busted

[tranquil umbra]

being worse than slayer is not a bad thing

[cobalt blade]

Ye its been popular as the softcore damage ascend at league start since tinctures are just that op

[worthy cave]

well, is it a slayuer problem?

[cobalt blade]

Just people respec to deadeye for qol later

[tranquil umbra]

Yes

[worthy cave]

Because there are plenty of juggs

[tough cove]

Slayer is too good just like elementalist is too good and they warp alot of the ascendancy stuff around them

[stoic horizon]

yes slayer is just too good on league start scenarios

[worthy cave]

and if Champ didn't get gutted by making celestial brace a 2% drop

[livid quarry]

slayer getting nerfed next league instead of other getting buffed

[worthy cave]

he'd probably see a bunch of play too

[split maple]

bc jugg has its ass carried by strstack being strong and intaccu last league

[hard cliff]

well one of those is fixed

[dark sequoia]

hoping greater kinetic instability support is a thing and makes ignite wander possible

[tough cove]

Elementalist is STILL stupid good

[hexed mountain]

Nah

Elem still OP

[worthy cave]

Elementalist isn't STUPID good--her nodes just work

[split maple]

like comparing ascends to slayer, bers and elementalist is kinda bad way to judge ascends

[past mantle]

Elem very good.

[hard cliff]

jugg doesn't need str stack to be popular

[tough cove]

Its still the best top side spec by a mile

[worthy cave]

I mean champ got gutted b/c celestial brace has a drop rate of 2% from uexarch

[split maple]

okay you got some trauma and enduro stack options

[tough cove]

jugg also has a niche from people who want insane surviability even while being slow

[hard cliff]

every class should be elementist level

[tough cove]

that doesnt mean jugg is good

[cosmic reef]

hopefully its a short ass cooldown. If they make it 2 second cooldown and design ward break support to activate defences or something like immortal call, gonna suck

[worthy cave]

okay like how many ele nodes are busted?

[split maple]

jugg is basically one build ascend lategame, that isnt rly good for health of game

[hard cliff]

jugg is good