1┃general

[steady elk]

literally free cruelty? fucking hell slams are gonna eat so good this league

[blazing spear]

like poe

[crisp obsidian]

not a hot take imo

[soft perch]

meanwhile poe has inventory tetris

[blissful zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/cia-headquarters-omw-watch-list-gif-27690452

[warped stone]

ya we slaming away for starters

[remote sparrow]

You mean all of blizzard, We normalization of loot boxes

[steady elk]

do you wanna see my t15 mapped slammer

[potent bramble]

There's more! Because of the new corrupt support thing, it means if you use a two-handed weapon you can functionally have an 8-link (or 2 7-links) for offensive damage and still have the rest of your gear for defensive and utility gems

[slow niche]

Actually yeah

[blissful zodiac]

slams got triple tapped btw

[formal ridge]

I have been doing some math: totems attack builds wont be playable or non hierophant becuase of the emerge ''nerf'' becuase they get no placement speed

[pulsar dune]

Yea, why can I bring out half a mirror in divines, but not even a full div of regalias

[fossil mural]

Anoint it

[blazing spear]

also, what imbues are good for ele hit besides fortify and endu on stun?

[blissful zodiac]

stun

[crisp obsidian]

quiver base

smh

[pulsar dune]

Honestly just go lvl 21

[steady elk]

wym?

[fossil mural]

Pc on crit

[steady elk]

LMAO what the fuck

[blazing spear]

why?

[steady elk]

gigajuice slams this league

[slow niche]

Is it confirmed that all regular supports can end be imbued?

[blazing spear]

endu on stun is op on slayer

[blissful zodiac]

auto exert nerf over exert nerf sunder and earthshitter nerfs

[fossil mural]

Coloured ones yes

[karmic gust]

you get 90% placmeent speed from 3 affixes alone

[steady elk]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[karmic gust]

another 40% frrom tree

[steady elk]

not my earthshatter...

[pulsar dune]

A fair amount of scaling opportunity cost on ele hit that isn't gambling currency that's 100% in challenges.

[karmic gust]

and noone was taking that 90% placement speed on ballistas ever before

because it was not needed

now you can just take it

and thats it

[steady elk]

autoexert nerf...

[potent bramble]

I believe it's skill gems only, unless you're asking if the supports are all valid things to imbue in, as opposed valid targets

[karmic gust]

i dont think hiero is even good for ballistas at all

[steady elk]

probably have to drop 1 or 2 war crys

[karmic gust]

like for starter sure when you cant get the placement speed otherwise

[steady elk]

why even play at that point

[karmic gust]

but otherwise the pathing is way too dogshit

[slow niche]

Yeah i meant supports to imbue skills

[soft perch]

yea champ should scale much better

u can click spell damage clusters

[slow niche]

I guess penetration supports are kinda free?

[soft perch]

spell damage clusters for kf are insane

[potent bramble]

But the corrupted support does affect all gems in the link, so you can use it to hit two active skills if need be 🙂

[karmic gust]

yea and champ also just has way better nodes than hiero

and actual defense

[fossil mural]

Imaple kf login

[steady elk]

also to whoever was complaining about inventory management earlier this is what my currency tab looks like after like 50 or whatever hours in keepers

(i do not own a currency tab)

[slow niche]

Maybe throw a momentum supoort to move faster overall

[fossil mural]

Bro please purchase one

[blazing spear]

there will be 2 situations: coins will be common and the gem itself is expensive or the coins will be 5d and imbues will be unavailable for 99% of the population

[soft perch]

this is very nostalgic

[molten hazel]

then fucking buy 1 you cretin

[nova charm]

ok im getting mega baited to leaguestart the new static strike, how do you even scale the damage? Stack duration + lightning damage?

[stark badger]

the game is not playable without a currency tab but you do you

[slow niche]

Looks hotrible

[steady elk]

my fault fellas im just poor

[fossil mural]

Not for me. I got currency tab first thing

[slow niche]

Can you gift tabs?

[steady elk]

(and 3rd worldian)

[molten hazel]

it costs 5 bucks

[gentle ice]

🤣 yeah currency without currency tabs looks awful lol

[soft perch]

imagine not playing when currency tabs werent a thing

fuckin poser

[potent bramble]

Just skip dinner a couple days, duh. (This is joke, do not do this)

[fossil mural]

I was busy playing actually good games at the time

[soft perch]

i think it looks cute

[steady elk]

hey man you cough up some money when the tabs cost like 3 night outs worth of money

[molten hazel]

a currency tab rly is the minimum needed to play

[blazing spear]

i do it

[steady elk]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-wiggle-15

[blazing spear]

i regularly skip dinner

[brazen vector]

Same

[fossil mural]

You call it fasting I call it saving for a new poe supporter pack

[molten hazel]

where the heck do you live where 5 bucks is 3 nights out

[potent bramble]

I mean so do I, but it's not financial it's laziness, depression, and frequent snacking. Also the laziness.

[slow niche]

I bought a supoorter pack worth a 5th of my salary tho

[brazen vector]

Forgetting to eat is my toxic character trait

[unkempt urchin]

what's the best content for pyro mines early?

[steady elk]

what a guy

[fossil mural]

China

[gentle ice]

well peoples that say you "need" a currency that to play, see that's not true if Arkaral can do it anyone can do it 😁

[unkempt urchin]

think i'm gonna league start it with reliquerian

[slow niche]

South east asia?

[crisp obsidian]

why are you not faustusting your currencies to chaos

wtf

[molten hazel]

china aint cheap lol XD

[fossil mural]

It is

[slow niche]

It is

[fossil mural]

My brother lives there

Its fucking hillariously cheap

[blazing spear]

my toxic character trait is going to vaal street bets a lot

[steady elk]

currency tab is like $20 on sale isn't it? anyway i was waiting for a good supporter pack since i wanted some cosmetics to go along with it

[potent bramble]

Tbf actually Jiji makes a good point - with Faustus, you can mostly condense down go chaos/divine, and then cash out if you need it

[slow niche]

You can buy food cheaper while out than cooking for yourself unironically

[brazen vector]

Thats not too bad

[molten hazel]

i went there on vacation before it aint 5 bucks for 3 nights out having fun cheap lol

[potent bramble]

Though it might not be worth it depending on how long you play the league

[steady elk]

i have a total of 150 hours in the game i didn't know i was supposed to 😭

[remote sparrow]

Where??

[crisp obsidian]

currency is $7,5 normally

not $20

what

[blazing spear]

in reality, it's being an intolerable person irl

[crisp obsidian]

just makes life easier if you don't have currency tab xdd

[slow niche]

I went in shanghai, and sichuan

[fossil mural]

He lives on hainan

[junior otter]

whats a good source of power charges on kill

[steady elk]

righto i was gonna pick up a pack this league so ill figure it out

[brazen vector]

High five i guess, although I somehow do have a partner no clue how

Shout out to @bitter cape

[gentle ice]

what, for 20$ you can have multiple important tabs... not just the currency one especially when they're on sale (and they are always on sale a week after a league start)

[brazen vector]

[slow niche]

Alcohol, and especially fire water, is quite expensive tho

[potent bramble]

Yeah see if you're that new you have an excuse. Gotta play enough to decide if you even enjoy the game, after all

I think I was 300-400 hours in before I bought any tabs

[crisp obsidian]

😎

[cosmic eagle]

If this is your first time buying something ingame, try the firstblood or newblood w/e thingy it gives enough points to spend for your stash at a reasonable price

[bitter cape]

By being the cutest

[limpid prairie]

as a 500 hour begginer im only now getting tabs
only logical to start when you get into it

[slow niche]

What's worse is that thr map tab is even more needed, or rather was, with the new change it might not

[gentle ice]

if you play trade league and want to trade, you should get a merchant tab, currency tab, fragment tab at the very least

[fossil mural]

I am poor, I only have 562

[blazing spear]

I did the mistake of converting 6 tabs to merchant tabs

[junior otter]

😎

[blazing spear]

I have 2 points

[brazen vector]

[crisp obsidian]

calm down mr.billionaire

[steady elk]

do you wanna see my map tab

[fossil mural]

Oh yea that was very stupid

[molten hazel]

the cheapest place i have ever been is vietnam and that was cheap but you could still not party for 3 nights out for 5 bucks its cheap sure i can get a good bit of food for 5 bucks but not much else

[slow niche]

Yeah

[potent bramble]

I did 10 when it was free... I still have 4 quads and a dozen regular premiums lmao

[steady elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879801181302583376/1393261430370992239/twitter_1943513922214023447.gif

[junior otter]

that brings back memories

[slow niche]

My god

[junior otter]

im thinking of the weird bark uneven looking maps

[gentle ice]

maps will be a bit less annoying in this new league tbf

[fossil mural]

Have you ever heard of a hyperbole

[steady elk]

fear not fellow POEcels i will make sure to buy some tabs this league because to be quite frank i got tired of spending half an hour organizing tabs

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/9wr3f1Khdio

[fossil mural]

Why do they still look like normal maps wtf

[molten hazel]

did not feel like 1 lol

[hard cliff]

fresh bait

[fossil mural]

Mine are black

[crisp obsidian]

bait

[junior otter]

these things holy moly

what memories

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-mouth-patrick-patrick-star-spongebob-spongebob-meme-gif-10864904869571871959

[slow niche]

I see big ducks i sleep

[potent bramble]

This might be extremely contentious, but I'd like to see them do a thing where white maps are stackable and trade-able on Faustus. If you make it magic or rare, you cannot downgrade, stack, or trade via the exchange.

Makes rare maps a better chaos sink (which we need) and also makes map trading less crap-tastic

[gentle chasm]

every leagues bait spark build

[cosmic eagle]

Do we have small ducks?

[fossil mural]

Nah spend it on a hooker

[potent bramble]

Though tbf we might not need to trade maps much now, since they're universal

[steady elk]

why would i spend money on something i get from your mum for free?

[dim sonnet]

rip poe.map

[steady elk]

[fossil mural]

Youll still want to buy them for some strats, maybe already rolled ones

[molten hazel]

only maps sold now will be nightmare maps XD

[limpid prairie]

they must have nerfef the map drop rate to compensate
so i wonder how the numbers will be

[steady elk]

also where do you find hookers for $7

[dim sonnet]

was the mvp

[slow niche]

Might be like fossils where you can stack normal maps but once they have any affix they stack individually

[steady elk]

or whatever

[hard cliff]

if I was not so deep committed to absolution I would 100% take this bait

looks cool af lol

[brazen vector]

Starting RF sounds better and better

[fossil mural]

You cant afford a currency tab. I doubt you are attractive to females of any species except roaches

[stoic horizon]

in trarthus

[fossil mural]

Noooooo

[gentle ice]

yeah starting RF too, with these totems it might be even better 😁

[fossil mural]

Dont fall for it

Fight it

[potent bramble]

For sure. I'm thinking more like how I used to buy bulk white t16s in a layout I wanted... but now all my t16s are the same t16, so I don't have to buy 'em

[steady elk]

maybe not americans i guess

[spice pecan]

been testing dual strike of ambi champ in campaign, so far it's like really good ngl

[gentle chasm]

"alright lets see this build surely its not-"

[spice pecan]

get the gem, get brightbeak and a decent mainhand, and you're kinda just blasting

[steady elk]

i don't get the reference

[tight plinth]

the block meta needs to stop

[junior otter]

the more i look at holy hammers the more i think it is pure bait

[gentle chasm]

(it probably works i just hate the bow spark shit)

[bleak umbra]

What are some ways to get access to movement speed on a totem hiero? I was just looking over my pob and realized I was at only 34% ims :/

[fossil mural]

It wont ever stop, block is too good

[brazen vector]

But what do I do with bad people then

[junior otter]

like is a 220% damage hit even killing magic monsters

[gentle ice]

holy hammers looks super cool, but i'm pretty sure that's bait 😅

[spice pecan]

block is too good esp after suppress nerf

[potent bramble]

Trarthus is another 'place' in the in-game world. You can't go there but it's where the mercenaries came from during that league

[fossil mural]

Why do you need ms? Just blink

[remote sparrow]

Reminds me of the dodge meta until it was replaced with spell suppression

[steady elk]

oh i played like 20 hours on merc yeah fair enough

[slow niche]

Dodge was so nice

[bleak umbra]

Mapping not very comfy with low ms

[slow niche]

75 change to not get hit, then some evasion, then kintsugi

[remote sparrow]

Can be ok *IF you have very high cast / attackspeed for movment skills aja leap slam / shield charge or frostblink if wintery blast

[cosmic eagle]

Just blink bro

[bleak umbra]

I am playing frostblink totems, they should be zooming around, im worried my character will be too slow

[fossil mural]

Frostblink totems are fucking stupid

You wont fall behind dw

[bleak umbra]

OK lol

[potent bramble]

Does that mean what I think it means?

You have Totems who's attack is Frostblink? Lmao

[slow niche]

Spell

[limpid prairie]

frost blink totems is a real build? please i want to play that i sounds incredible

[bleak umbra]

Frostblink of WIntry Blast but yes

[fossil mural]

Wintryblast totems is decent

[gentle ice]

yeah i thought it was a meme build, but it looks pretty decent

[fossil mural]

Their ai is dogshit

[bleak umbra]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3571750

[crisp obsidian]

it's a build made only for maps with small rooms/pathways

he even says it

[stoic horizon]

trarthus is a place in poe universe where mercs came from, classic country of criminals trope, society is divided into houses and one specializes in thaumaturgy and prostitution (witch mercs where from there)

[crisp obsidian]

kinda cringe build imo

[past mantle]

Frost blink totems are bait.

[fossil mural]

Play frostblink mines instead

[slow niche]

What's a really good mapper that's able to do 4 stones

[steady elk]

thank you for the lore drop

[fossil mural]

Cyclone shockwave

[noble sleet]

Are yall league starting a bow build?

[gentle chasm]

thats just how spark is unfortunately

[limpid prairie]

thats cause you say a bad build is bait
but i think that the novelty is wort the jank

[cosmic eagle]

[fossil mural]

Technically. My single target will be puncture snipe

[crisp obsidian]

nowadays yeah sadly, but pretty sure actual topend sparks still clear any content

[bleak umbra]

I dont think totems are bait in general, should be quite comfy starter this league

[tawdry olive]

incidentally everyone playing this game has interacted with something from there at some point

[bleak umbra]

Can always switch to ice spear or another skill

If frostblink is ass

[past mantle]

I am not even looking at the build, I know how totem frost blink works.

[fossil mural]

Its legit

[gentle ice]

RF is pretty good overall if you like RF 🤔

[hard cliff]

magic prostitutes

[tawdry olive]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-aoogah-awoogah-awooga-love-gif-19805850

[fossil mural]

Only if new link totem is legit

[past mantle]

Frost Blink when used by totems has a minimum range it needs to be away from an enemy. In any map with terrain they will just stop working.

Automodded.

[hard cliff]

thank you for not saying ironically

[bleak umbra]

Might even try new shock nova on totems

[stoic horizon]

basically, there was even mention of them using thaumaturgy to kill their own senses then drug their clients to boost their experience

[past mantle]

I asked Viper to look at it like 3 leagues ago but he said that it's up to debate if that's not intended.

[gentle ice]

even with fire trap it's pretty solid, you can easily do 4 stones on RF, if you're not able to that's not a build issue 😅

[fossil mural]

Holy copege

Better just bleed slam

[potent bramble]

I hate you, just a little bit lmao. Now I have another build I gotta do, and the league hasn't even started yet

[bleak umbra]

Maven kinda tough for RF no?

[past mantle]

Heavily implied that shadow did lethe there.

[bleak umbra]

lol dont worry I will play it so you dont have to

[fossil mural]

No, it just takes a long time to kill anything

[gentle ice]

a little bit, you can put a flask that turn off RF during last phase*

[past mantle]

Yeah, tons of decent ones.

[cosmic eagle]

Pohx still finds a way to actually make rf work even if ggg kills everything related to rf

[potent bramble]

But I want to. That build sounds so stupid in the best ways

[past mantle]

They fixed minions and now they're fixing totems.

GGG on a war path to make playstyles not suck.

[wind axle]

my goat doing diablo music ads 😭😭

at least its not some poe corny shit i guess

[past mantle]

What?

[stoic horizon]

duelist also had some fun in trarthus, more with drugs tho

[past mantle]

Lethe is drugs.

[stoic horizon]

ah

[low lava]

And this time, they made Hinakora explode more often :3

[hard cliff]

oh dear

reminds me of the fake body cyborg geishas in Ghost in the shell but the opposite way of getting there

[gentle ice]

it's pretty long to kills bosses with RF, but it's so tanky you can "almost" facetank anything

[past mantle]

Shadow was off his teats on lethe drops.

[hard cliff]

one of the funniest lines in the game

[molten hazel]

they sure are on a warpath to ruin people that likes to chill and watch youtube while playing XD (RIP CWS)

[potent bramble]

I know it's a meme already, but Mark's comment during the ZiggyD Q&A about how "If the players say it isn't good, then clearly we need to keep working on it" or whatever the exact language was... doesn't surprise me they're dedicated to making all choices viable. It's been their MO for years

[bleak umbra]

the problem with switching away from frostblink to a different totem skill is you lose movement tag and easy +5 levels from bronns lithe

[gentle ice]

but yeah if these new totem are good RF might be much better for single target 😱 we just need to know if they are better than fire trap 😁

[stoic horizon]

more dmg more clunk

[cosmic eagle]

Chill down pal

[potent bramble]

I wanna say Pohx's video said they were roughly equal in terms of DPS just based on what we know, so I'm optimistic

[tight plinth]

https://pobb.in/Im-2uufVq4y5

[stoic horizon]

and you can equip a real body armor with proper survivability

[bleak umbra]

softcore is softcore haha

[worthy cave]

guys question

[bleak umbra]

cold totems freeze everything anyway

[worthy cave]

if I have a portal imbuied with cast on death

[potent bramble]

So a Dory's and give the Totems a lightning skill?

[worthy cave]

and a 2+1 socket setup

I.E. a 2 link and an unlinked 1 socket

if I put the portal in the 1 socket

does the 2-link get the cast on death support?

[potent bramble]

No, but you would not be able to put an imbued support on either gem in the 2-link

[noble sleet]

Will we be getting shrine belt day one?

[worthy cave]

true 😭

[gentle ice]

imbued are limited to 1 per equipement afaik not per link
and no it should only support the linked skill

[worthy cave]

yeah that's a bummer that it's per item and not per link set 😭

[potent bramble]

One imbued gem per item, affects all skills that are linked. So Raise Spectre imbued with Meat Shield, linked to Raise Zombie and Summon Raging Spirits, all three minion types will be affected by Meat Shield support

[past mantle]

What killed cws?

[potent bramble]

But the unlinked Summon Skeleton in the 4th spot is not affected by Meat Shield support

[gentle ice]

i wonder if cast on death is an imbued option 😅 or trigger support in general... that would brick so many skills 😅

[past mantle]

Don't say bloodnotch change.

[hardy heron]

I won't. Others might. We know it's a rare boss drop from Saresh, but we don't know how to get to him (probably completing morages in maps)

[brazen vector]

cws is pretty much alive

[stoic horizon]

it didnt even need notch to function

[dark grove]

Didnt cws got like -30% with hits or smth

[molten hazel]

its not dead dead but they removed defiled forces and they nerfed bloodnotch from 60% to 40%

[past mantle]

Bingo.

[molten hazel]

it is a lot more expensive to start now

if you want it to feel good

[cerulean breach]

I swear to god

so many people make video(s) of their build

and show like 5-10 bosses

and ZERO mapping content

[brazen vector]

doesnt mean its dead XD as you said initially

[gentle ice]

maybe because they're bosser build? 😅

[cerulean breach]

no, they also regularly claim it's good for mapping

yet show nothing of it

[cosmic raptor]

When leg

[brazen vector]

NEVER

youre BANNED

[low lava]

https://tenor.com/view/neva-never-marc-homealone-youcantstopme-gif-9816521

[cosmic raptor]

Need leg

[hard cliff]

4 hours

[brazen vector]

I cut it off

[cosmic raptor]

Ty

[gentle ice]

yeah i hate videos like that, or they explain the build heavily in details but it has literally no gameplay showcase 😅

[hard cliff]

Tommorrow

[cosmic raptor]

Today

[hard cliff]

yay

[gentle ice]

Mirage league start time (in your local timezone) -> <t:1772823600:F>

[past mantle]

Defiled forces was never necessary. Bloodnotch change isn't impactful to do anything to the build, the recovery is already solved outside of it.

[cosmic raptor]

Dope

[molten hazel]

??? Defiled forces was what made sim bosses killable

[slow niche]

9pm? Bless their hearts, it usually was at fucking 11

[past mantle]

Guess it does hit the real cheap CWS.

[gentle ice]

yeah it's 1 hour earlier than last league, and last league was 1 hour earlier than what it usually is

[past mantle]

I think banner is going to be replacing CWS tbh.

Or at least be competitive.

[molten hazel]

the nerf made CWS a build you get into much later when you can afford it

no longer something i can switch to day 2

[cerulean breach]

bloodsoaked banner?

[past mantle]

Yeah.

[cerulean breach]

for ultimatum? makes kinda sense

I was looking at it for expedition

[hexed mountain]

damn the secrets of suffering heist scepter looks actually decent as a weapon for holy strike 7.6 base crit 1.45 AS

[past mantle]

Think it ramps too much for exped tbh.

[cerulean breach]

what do you mean?

[earnest raven]

Anyone got anymore jewelers? Im trying to get 6s

[past mantle]

It takes 10s to ramp to ramp to 10 corrupted blood.

Works better in ultis me thinks.

[cerulean breach]

the first stack will clear the entire expedition except rares

[past mantle]

Actually didn't that just get solved with penance mark?

[worthy cave]

okay so what are the low-hanging fruit of coins?

[cerulean breach]

the rares will die after a couple more ticks while you loot

[past mantle]

That'd be nice and all but no.

[worthy cave]

marks are 1 in 4 for lifetap, 1 in 3 for mark on hit

curses are 1 in 6 for cwdt

[slow niche]

I wonder if yhe ground loot changes will be impactful

[past mantle]

Not that I think it'll be even remotely close to bad for exped.

[worthy cave]

so you get lvl 1 cwdt on a curse, combine it with low level guard skill, some low level spell, and then hextouch

[molten hazel]

it is used as a last resort if the boss spawns late or you get unlucky and did not trigger a big enough explosion

[hexed mountain]

cwdt is dead on arrival

[past mantle]

Just temper your expectations a bit with banner.

[worthy cave]

nope it isn't

[molten hazel]

it can do it but it can be real slow

[past mantle]

But I will always recommend phys dot for builds.

[cerulean breach]

yes? 1 tick of bloodsoaked is like 4 stacks of normal CF which absolutely will clear white mobs

[worthy cave]

because the cwdt also supports a low-level spell

and then you link that with hextouch support

[cerulean breach]

maybe 2 ticks for blues

[past mantle]

Yesn't.

[worthy cave]

AND a low-level guard skill (molten shell, immortal call)

now what that low level spell would be IDK

[cerulean breach]

??

[molten hazel]

also does not help that Detonate Dead of Scavenging was nerfed a bit to (Detonate Dead of Scavenging now has 70% less Damage with Ailments (previously 60%).)

[cerulean breach]

anyway my concern with bloodsoaker banner is availability and what to do until then

[past mantle]

That's the case for regular rares kinda, but for exped mods you'll get some hiccups.

[cerulean breach]

I'm looking at corrupting cry, haven't made a pob yet

[past mantle]

Corrupting cry is great, you can't really league start it.

Can do fever just fine tho.

[cerulean breach]

idk it might be good enough without shako

[cerulean breach]

CC is more dmg than fever tho?

[past mantle]

Shako is bait anyways.

[past mantle]

Yes but you need utility for corrupting cry.

[whole bluff]

I'm messing up going slow. Way over 2h played in act 3. But zooming through acts with shield charge and deleting mobs with pconc feels so good I almost don't care

[past mantle]

CF is just CF.

[cerulean breach]

define utility?

[past mantle]

Cooldown recovery/howlcrack.

[worthy cave]

CF single target is turbo sad

[past mantle]

That's phys dot for you.

[worthy cave]

yeah played it in keepers

[cerulean breach]

you wouldn't do autoexert?

[worthy cave]

every time I'd fight a beyond boss, I'd be like "I hate my life"

[past mantle]

You can't.

[cerulean breach]

why not?

[cerulean breach]

hmm

[ember goblet]

$1000!??!

[whole bluff]

Gourdian

[sleek ocean]

Expect it to be available day 1,5 to 2

[slow niche]

10000€

[hexed mountain]

will heavily depend on who drops it tbh

[ember goblet]

thumbs_down emoji

[whole bluff]

LL gourdian can reserve autoexert with some extra efficiency I think?

[ember goblet]

gourdian

https://tenor.com/bW9g0.gif

[unique kraken]

with awakened gems gone, is this a nerf or more of an annoyance to ele reflect maps because we can no longer have awakened ele damage with attacks ?

[past mantle]

It's a pain.

[sleek ocean]

Its a banner support, it will be common

[hard cliff]

wouldn't you save time not practicing for acts?

[hexed mountain]

they buffed the ring giving ele reflect reduction i think

[whole bluff]

This is fun though

[slow niche]

Now try a lvl 6 enlighten

[surreal musk]

not being able to see all the new greater supports is kind of a cock in the ass for trying to choose a build

[whole bluff]

Smash, zoom, delete

[cerulean breach]

isn't howlcrack like 1c day 1 anyway @past mantle

[past mantle]

You want uul netol's kiss with 500% increased Warcry Cooldown Recovery Rate.

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-enough-james-dutton-tim-mcgraw-1883-thats-reasonable-gif-24817249

[past mantle]

Howlcrack is not usable for corrupting cry without whispers.

[unique kraken]

ok cool addition but harder to add in a build, will see how it goes i hope we can get 100% reflect immune without using pantheon as well

[hexed mountain]

might be better than choosing with one in mind and seeing 150 div price

[sleek ocean]

I like inf banner builds

[past mantle]

Howlcrack life is how you get silly numbers.

Silly bad.

[noble sleet]

Any interesting meleeish league start builds?

[slow niche]

Are banners even good?

[past mantle]

Yes.

[surreal musk]

https://pobb.in/bSxNy9etRs_c my current leaguestart plan once ive farmed 20-30d

[past mantle]

Basically all skills added look usable.

[slow niche]

Are they NOT annoying?

[past mantle]

This is why you can't do howlcrack corrupting cry without whispers.

[sleek ocean]

If inf, you CAP both block, suppression overcaps res and 100%+ ms

[noble sleet]

Holy strike looked cool

[past mantle]

(This build has 6k life)

[slow niche]

While inside an active banner right?

[sleek ocean]

Holy strike looks good

[tight plinth]

73k life a second, sounds doable

[past mantle]

Holy Strike numbers look good and utility looks good.

[sleek ocean]

It lingers

[low lava]

Holy hammers >_>

[hexed mountain]

trans static looks super cool too

[past mantle]

Trans static just looks great.

[tight plinth]

i watched the ziggy video, looks like the hallow support is apply hallowing flame on melee splash?

[hexed mountain]

do we have data about hallowed flame (as in does the first hit consume it entirely)

[past mantle]

Corrupting cry is a veeeeeery specific build everyone on poe.ninja are building it expensive and worse than the whispers version lol.

[plush cargo]

do we know what is that weird trinity-like buff from holy hammers video?

[hexed mountain]

unholy trinity sup

[past mantle]

One of the new greater gems.

[tight plinth]

have you seen the ziggy video?

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[past mantle]

Ziggy's video doesn't talk about it.

[sleek ocean]

Might be The upgraded versoon

[past mantle]

It just says what it does but none of the actual intricacies of it.

[tight plinth]

it looks like its getting consumed after the hit

[hexed mountain]

i'm wondering if the first hit of armaments pops it and then its kinda shit

[whole bluff]

So unholy trinity probably gives chaos dmg?

[past mantle]

Chaos phys and a 6th secret damage type.

[cerulean breach]

@past mantle with just tree you can get general's cry to 1.388 sec cd

[past mantle]

That's going to feel like ass.

[whole bluff]

Nah, looks like the colours of fire, cold, lightning imo

[past mantle]

Because you have to consider use speed too.

[whole bluff]

Although maybe the lightning is voltaxic

[sleek ocean]

Wish The rage warcry wasnt so annoying to use

[past mantle]

Also Corrupting Cry support really wants you to use bad supports on it like reduced duration.

[noble sleet]

Is holy strike the new skill where you have floating weapons fighting alongside you?

[slow niche]

man i can't wait for leaguestart to tweak off caffeine and nicotine

[sleek ocean]

Yes

[past mantle]

Yes, starting skill for templar.

[noble sleet]

Looks pretty fun lol

[past mantle]

They did good with this batch.

All of them are genuinely just interesting.

[noble sleet]

I hope there’s some broken undiscovered build this league that no one knows about

[past mantle]

There is. 🙊

[whole bluff]

People are wondering if they actually use holy strike (as per vocal description in reveal) or just 100% autoattack with 170% more dmg

[sleek ocean]

We are geting alot of unique so

[noble sleet]

I’ve never seen so many league starter options in my life before

Too many options

[hard cliff]

yeah it's great

[cerulean breach]

0.34 seconds

[noble sleet]

Did poison concoction get nerfed a while ago or?

[sleek ocean]

Holy strike will probly take you quite easy through act1

[whole bluff]

I think they should be using holy strike, since you only get 4. But maybe I overestimate what AW of self reflection numbers are

[hard cliff]

do you guys think kf totems are actually gonna be popular on start?

lots of uniques required

[cerulean breach]

yes it will be popular

[past mantle]

Gonna be tuff.

[whole bluff]

Cuz this is kind of like AW of self reflection and Focused Ballista had a child

Although hopefully they just target lock what you hit while you're hitting so attack speed doesn't mess up

[sleek ocean]

Big question is IF a secondary holy strike would trigger them

[tight plinth]

i tought the glowing orb thing on the enemies was hallowing flame but templar hasnt hit him yet 🤔

[cerulean breach]

without investment on tree

[whole bluff]

Alternatively holy armaments could have 40% more attack speed on the chassis

[cerulean breach]

don't use less duration

[past mantle]

What other gem are you using instead of less duration?

[slow niche]

it would be really cool if the moment you finish a mirage all the loot explodes when you exit it

[cerulean breach]

life cost is rough tho

[whole bluff]

Lifetap is prolly pain

[past mantle]

Lifetap is so painge.

You can run general's cry at level 1.

You don't need level 20.

Think it saves on some cost.

[cerulean breach]

right

[tight plinth]

if that is hallowing flame, you can have multiple

[sleek barn]

yeah you can stack hallowing flame, as long as you have a source of +# to maximum

[cerulean breach]

if you don't have any energy shield, do you count as 'on full energy shield'?

[whole bluff]

Afaik nope. Need 1/1

[past mantle]

You don't.

[whole bluff]

0/0 is not anything cuz undefined

[cerulean breach]

could run 1 abyss jewel with flat ES and then 200 es regen

[tight plinth]

this is on the beach

[cerulean breach]

then you can use energy shield leech supp

[tight plinth]

templar got nothing yet

[cosmic raptor]

League

[past mantle]

Holy Strike has 2.6 strike range and you can just support it with splash for you and minions and get +1 targets for yourself.
Think it'll just be awkward with minion speed tbh.

[sleek ocean]

Animate weapon of reflection is Kinda what i want to be doing

[pine yew]

morning all, do any minion vets know which campaign spectres are most ideal to get through campaign?

[whole bluff]

I wanna do spellslinger volcano lul

[crystal talon]

None. honestly not worth bothering

[tight plinth]

the armament also attacks significantly faster than the templar at base speed

[fossil mural]

It also hits in a circle so its not horrible

[crystal talon]

But if you really want carnage chieftains

[whole bluff]

Hopefully, or got a source?

[fossil mural]

If you get like 8 of them it will be decent ish

[potent bramble]

Grabbing the big monkey from act 2 is usually decent, at least to have one

[past mantle]

Speaking of spectres.

[sleek barn]

i don't think you'll need to support them with melee splash

[tight plinth]

im watching the ziggy video, the armament was hitting hillock while templar was still mid swing

[sleek barn]

isn't their aoe enough

[tight plinth]

https://youtu.be/GZl2-PtK3jY?si=JIyPlrWqxfrnQK8j&t=159

[whole bluff]

Yay

[sleek barn]

at least w minion aoe mastery

[spice pecan]

very

[plush cargo]

fussilade gets almost double dmg if u can stomach the jank for waiting to fire and skip the duration scaling, which is not that bad on totems imo

[noble sleet]

I feel like I’m gonna just make 20 league starter cheaters. That’s what I do in Poe 2, I just like trying out a bunch of a new builds. I’m more of melee main but whatever is fun tbh

[spice pecan]

you have what like 31 different CCs making guides for it

[fossil mural]

Why lifetap? Just damage?

[crystal talon]

If you are talking about holy strike. They don't have any AoE

[past mantle]

This is wildge.

[cerulean breach]

ye

[tribal gust]

Hey guys! How much does a new patch usually weigh on league start? Im on mobile internet till 19th...

[fossil mural]

I feel like thats bad business

[sleek ocean]

Its a fine hit on imbued gem

[sleek barn]

very painge it did look like they did

[cerulean breach]

do we know anything about them

[tight plinth]

the first hit was from the armaments

[whole bluff]

So you don't have to balance attack speeds, and can use spiritual command? I assume it's player hit once -> minions hit once but faster? @tight plinth

[crystal talon]

All strikes have "aoe" as they hit anything in the swing path, but this is not an AoE effect. Just part of melee strikes. Strike range scales this effect

[past mantle]

Welllllll.
One of them is a boss from poe2 from the sekhema trial.

[tight plinth]

meanwhile templar still cocking it back

[whole bluff]

Meaning you just go minion larges

That also affect you

[sleek ocean]

12p,35/3 clusters

[past mantle]

So they're just adding a poe2 boss as a spectre, which Imma mess around with.

[sleek barn]

also very painge

[whole bluff]

Yup

[crystal talon]

The purpose for melee splash would be single target for holy strike. Gives you AoE overlaps which can multihit

[sleek barn]

this is why i don't play attacks

[fossil mural]

What

[sleek ocean]

Penetration is always an issue with minions tbh

[fossil mural]

Adherent is like a pupil

A student

[noble sleet]

How many new uniques are there

[tight plinth]

doesnt he get tired

[fossil mural]

13 iir, but some of them have 2 versions

[sleek barn]

holy relic is fun

well

its just smooth

[potent bramble]

I think we know of like 7 that are confirmed, plenty more that we don't know though

[crystal talon]

The holy strike minions are essentially attacking with mini-frostblades of katabasis

[past mantle]

Sorry you're right, he's the guy imbued with the time stopping guy's powers.

[noble sleet]

Maybe I’ll wait a day or two to see what everyone is playing

[tight plinth]

idk why im even asking the question when pohx exists

[steel mural]

what

[noble sleet]

Does pohx till this day still only play righteous fire?

[fossil mural]

He did mana rf in private leg I think?

[spice pecan]

lance did mana rf, idk if pohx did

[fossil mural]

Thats about it for flavour

[spice pecan]

and pohx occasionally plays other builds

[past mantle]

Conjuror of Rot is the druid in act 1 I believe and idk about astral lich.

[noble sleet]

This skill looks fun tbh.

[slow niche]

or fubgun playing bow something

[tawdry olive]

Ok that’s it we starting holy sweep

[solid laurel]

Woke GMP was staying right

[karmic gust]

deleted

[fossil mural]

Dont think so

[slow niche]

erased

[fossil mural]

Snapped

[solid laurel]

Oh really, thought it was one of the ones staying

[tight plinth]

anyone know off the top of their head what supports these are?

[slow niche]

i don't want to think how much woke gmp will cost

[karmic gust]

we have the full list right in the filter

[solid laurel]

I saw enlighten/empower/enhance was still staying though, didn't expect that

[fossil mural]

Normal and greater stay, woke is gone

[sleek ocean]

There is likely gonna be a super gmp

[fossil mural]

Yea and they are the only woke gems in the game I think now

[sleek barn]

the holy trio of exceptional gems gets a new friend

[stoic horizon]

nope

[sleek barn]

eclipse

i wonder if eclipse will get woke variant

[stoic horizon]

they mentioned no greater (not the one that already existed, that stays) gmp in ziz interview and filter info confirmed

[slow niche]

it's just a bit weird to make exceptional supports that overlap with awakened supports

[crystal talon]

ele damage. PTL. ancestral call. melee phys. melee splash

[past mantle]

Melee splash, ele damage with attacks, ancestral call, melee phys, phys to lightning.

[whole bluff]

Lmao

[tight plinth]

cool thanks

[granite nexus]

Fortify, sap, holy boi brings me to ~50% dmg reduction but idk if i want to use secrets of suffering and lose freeze and shock

[sleek barn]

too much defense

go glass cannon

[slow niche]

also isn't holy hammers basically just sunder?

sort of

[past mantle]

Which skill are you running?

[fossil mural]

Not really

[stoic horizon]

numerically yeah

[sleek barn]

well the hammers continue to cascade

[sleek ocean]

Its holy

[sleek barn]

on hit

[low lava]

https://tenor.com/view/church-baby-praise-worship-feel-the-spirit-gif-18851210

[crystal talon]

just wanna say since we are talking about eclipse Added 1 new Vendor Recipe.

[tight plinth]

oooh

[past mantle]

👁️

[tight plinth]

what is it?

[slow niche]

kind of aoe as well if you hit more

[crystal talon]

[sleek barn]

is it not just vendor all three

[granite nexus]

Will be doing static strike with sweep gc

[tight plinth]

divine recipe?

[finite quail]

vendor empower, enhance and enlighten together

[sleek barn]

plus orb of fusing

[finite quail]

[sleek barn]

obviously

[finite quail]

no

[fossil mural]

Max level uncorrupt

[potent bramble]

I'm choosing to believe it's a new version of the exalt orb one, full set of fractured gear gives you fracturing shards

[low lava]

With power charges, it seems to be quite the AoE skill as well.

[finite quail]

please no

[sleek barn]

why not

[hexed mountain]

thats probs for clear to avoid them always hitting the dead mob you targeted

[tight plinth]

im guessing its a fracturing shard, sell full set of unid fractured item

[heady forge]

Any advice if I'm league starting and league ending with Holy Strike?

[crystal talon]

yeer. it makes them very good for clear

[finite quail]

be ready to change to another skill

[stoic horizon]

prepare some extra solutions for clear

[finite quail]

if holy strike doesn't work out

[heady forge]

😔

[fossil mural]

At least for mapping

[past mantle]

Tough to justify sap tbh.

[tight plinth]

everyone going holy strike?

[finite quail]

Nah

[fossil mural]

Nah its shit

[slow niche]

also this looks kinda ass

[sleek ocean]

Some skills gets better when you get more links

[fossil mural]

Static strike seems good

[past mantle]

Put on +1 strikes and the splash gem not splash from tree and you're fine.

[gentle ice]

i'm starting RF then will try holy skills after probably personally 😅

[hexed mountain]

80% phys as extra is pretty strong but not for minion builds

[stoic horizon]

very ass

[tawdry olive]

nah you vendor manifold, cogwork, helical, composite, geodesic, ratcheting
in return you get **Ring **
thats it that's the item
shares basetype with kalandra's touch

[tight plinth]

gen cry static strike of the thingy

[heady forge]

Wait really? Why not the splash from tree? Too far away?

[slow niche]

and you need them fellas otherwise you can't proc hallow

[steel light]

did they unnerf vfos?

[finite quail]

the sword from sirus

[past mantle]

Won't apply to minions.

[finite quail]

[past mantle]

But gem will.

[stoic horizon]

thats like the only use case, and ONLY if flame works with gc

[heady forge]

Oh I suppose

[hexed mountain]

slap herald of purity and you got your procs

[potent bramble]

Vendor a full inventory for 1 Kalandra's Touch? Pog

[tight plinth]

no its not, im not gonna go guardian

[narrow yoke]

can holy strike make it to end game?

[gentle ice]

the shield light thing that explode after a little bit looks kinda fun to build around it even tho it's probably complete garbage

[heady forge]

Do you have anything in mind?

[fossil mural]

If you try

[stoic horizon]

strikes wont either, and you dont scale the main hit much

[slow niche]

i don't think they can keep up without supports

[hexed mountain]

the skill isnt even out how do you expect us to know

[fossil mural]

Its not conversion trap

[finite quail]

probably

[sleek barn]

general cry mirage warriors aren't minions no?

[fossil mural]

It can make it

[sleek barn]

they're allies

[finite quail]

but we don't know

we havent played with it

[tight plinth]

they allied proxies

[narrow yoke]

bro dont act like you havnt watched 30 hours of videos this week

[past mantle]

It's 80% phys as extra, HoP can sustain that. It ain't bad just ?.

[sleek barn]

oh ig hallowed flame still works for allies

?

[fossil mural]

It says allies/entity, you dont need minions specifically

[potent bramble]

Anything can make it. If you'll have fun is a totally different question

[hexed mountain]

there's 0 videos of endgame.

[sleek barn]

i see

[past mantle]

Strikes you can't give to minions anyways unlike splash.

[sleek ocean]

With enough mirrors sure

[slow niche]

no i mean they can't keep up with removing the hallowing fast enough

[narrow yoke]

its theory crafting.

[finite quail]

Its probably got some niche use for a few builds, but nothing great

[stoic horizon]

yep

[past mantle]

That's why defo need gem.

[hexed mountain]

theorycrafting doesnt work when you dont have the proper data to do it

[slow niche]

not entirely sure tho

[hexed mountain]

its just hoping it works as you expect it to maybe

[heady forge]

The biggest question I have so far is if multi strike will work with the holy strike minions

[finite quail]

well theorycraft is theorycraft, not proof. you were asking if it could make it to endgame, not if it could make it to endgame on paper

[narrow yoke]

what are we missing?

[slow niche]

maybe adding hallowing for uhhhh dominating blow?

[stoic horizon]

it does, based on ziggy's vid

[fossil mural]

Thats why I am starting a build I tried ystday in std CAP

[hexed mountain]

we dont know if they use holystrike , because wording is weird , would be OP

[heady forge]

So the minions multi strike too. That's good to know and also good damage

[hexed mountain]

also we dont know if they work like focussed balista

[stoic horizon]

you are adding 25% phys as extra to one of your like 8 minions

[sleek ocean]

Do The minions repeat or is it just cos you attack?

[hexed mountain]

or if they hit once per hit you do

[slow niche]

ah fuck true

[hexed mountain]

both of which make building them a coinflip atm

[narrow yoke]

can rolling magma make it to end game?

[stoic horizon]

they hit together with you, so no 9x strikes from one support

[past mantle]

They're not that slow, you can always supplement them with farrul's tigers if you want to.

[fossil mural]

Thats why reaper is best pog

[past mantle]

Yeah.

[stoic horizon]

as a miner sure

[finite quail]

yeah

sure

but like bro

[hexed mountain]

yeah rolling magma as miner is ok, self cast ... if you hate yourself

[finite quail]

basically every skill in the game can make it to endgame

[fossil mural]

What about bow rollimg magma

[finite quail]

if you suffer through it

[stoic horizon]

lock in siphoning trap

[gentle ice]

even retaliation skills 😁

[fossil mural]

Except conversion

[slow niche]

that's a very good point tbh, and the tigers can proc it too

[heady forge]

Also I'm unsure if the clear will really be that bad. Some people think that "bad clear" means not wiping 3 screens simultaneously...

[finite quail]

selfcast but worse

[hexed mountain]

if you want a safe starter you dont start on a new untested skill

[sleek ocean]

Kinda thinking holy strike with 2 setup. 1 for speed and an other for big damage to The minion

[stoic horizon]

bowling magma

[finite quail]

not a damaging skill so I don't consider it an actual skill

its a minion thing but like, fuck that

[solid stratus]

How many animated weapons can you summon from one bladefall cast?

[fossil mural]

So minions arent real either

[heady forge]

Dang, there's something WORSE than self cast out there?

[slow niche]

OH

[finite quail]

bro cmon get out

[stoic horizon]

as many as spawned blades

[hexed mountain]

holy strike with AG of smiting to drop the single target nuke

[slow niche]

maybe with AG of smiting? he can profit off of it and you too

[slow sonnet]

How cooked is elementalist? Seeing that almost everyone used liege, how much does was lost due to the nerf?

[past mantle]

It's an enhanced basic attack, clear isn't an issue unless you don't take things that help.

[solid stratus]

ah okay so about 5 then

[past mantle]

Still good.

[tawdry olive]

that's the angel on your shoulder.
meanwhile the devil be like:

[finite quail]

Yes, selfcast isnt bad if you know what you're doing

[slow niche]

elementalist was good anyway, they just took the golem effects away

[past mantle]

Elementalist still stacked.

[narrow yoke]

oh yeah line up that little red square is EZ

[fossil mural]

Wyvern wing isnt actually that bad. Its issue is you cant freeze a frozen target, so single target is limited to 3.33 casts a second, which is bad by trigger standards

[tranquil umbra]

does temp chains prolong buff duration

[hexed mountain]

the soul eater mob running at mach 5 melee to you while you try to sweetspot him

[finite quail]

Primordial bond golem buff also got halved

[fossil mural]

Yes

[heady forge]

Like splash around the target or %chance to explode? Any other you would suggest for this strike-minion gem?

[fossil mural]

But very slightly

[past mantle]

Still stacked.

[finite quail]

maim, hinder, chill, temp chains, spider webs, yadda yadda

[finite quail]

I agree, still stacked

[whole bluff]

Only staff players allowed backstage

[slow sonnet]

I checked on PoE.ninja and all the big elementalist builds used golem shenanigans for DPS, meanwhile non-golem builds struggle with DPS

[finite quail]

But more balanced now, which I feel is great

[tranquil umbra]

is there a % because I couldn't find it on the wiki

[hexed mountain]

cannot be slowed , faster shrine , thanos prime

[fossil mural]

12.5% slower buff expiery baseline

[hexed mountain]

shroudwalker

[past mantle]

You build splash, you get aoe and accuracy on tree for it now too.
You get minion attack speed applies to you and minion damage applies to you on tree and you're scaling.
It'll be perfectly solid.

[finite quail]

Liege of the primordial enables golem buff stacking to the moon because you don't have to manually resummon dead golems

[stuck phoenix]

Ngl I'm tempted to run the new self cast spell

[tranquil umbra]

ic

[slow niche]

i will leaguestart dom blow guardian and hope later on better builds will be available cuz ghazzy feels like a conman when making builds somehow

[tight plinth]

if holy strike is so great how come its 0% usage on poe.ninja?

[hybrid drum]

Do we think there will be a stash sale tomorrow for league launch?

[solid stratus]

liege of the primordial turns golems into 0 button build

[finite quail]

can still reduce their action speed

[sleek ocean]

Hiting a monster with % reduced movement is quite fun

[finite quail]

no

[stuck phoenix]

Good one

[finite quail]

next week

[slow sonnet]

That I understand, I'm referring to the % effect that was removed

I guess it probably isn't that bad

[fossil mural]

Searing bond you mean

[hybrid drum]

Ok week after thank you

[stuck phoenix]

Shock nova

[heady forge]

Neat. I hope you are right.
We are relying on the "splash around target" that comes from the tree right? Which means it also won't apply to minions in any way

[gentle ice]

the shockwave totem around you kinda looks cool, not sure if it's good tho 😅

[split maple]

Bigger issue is primordial Bond cluster nerf

[stuck phoenix]

Transfigured shock nova has repeats

[hexed mountain]

can always put melee splash gem or imbue later

[slow sonnet]

Yeah

[narrow yoke]

got a fat ounce arriving in the mail any minute, league start lets go!!!!!

[worthy cave]

let's do some math here

[finite quail]

searing bond with foulborn searing touch for 10 totems

[worthy cave]

so before the nerf

[sleek ocean]

From tree no support yes

[split maple]

But rly the only question isn't if ele is good, the question is if for aoe and %incr golems are still most efficient or not

[past mantle]

You want splash specifically from the gem because it will apply to you and the minions. Tree node will not.

[slow sonnet]

I assume the DPS loss for any build using golem buffs is what

50%?

[worthy cave]

if you have golem commander + liege + 2 primordials

[heady forge]

Right. Those new imbues could be cool

[solid stratus]

hierophant archmage lightning conduit

[finite quail]

its half the golem effect

[worthy cave]

80 + 50 + 80 = 210

[finite quail]

no math is needed

[worthy cave]

now: 80 + 40 = 120

[finite quail]

absolutely not

[worthy cave]

added on top of your original golem buffs

[heady forge]

@sleek ocean I see I see

[worthy cave]

so you go from 310 to 220

[finite quail]

its way less than that

[slow sonnet]

25%?

[fossil mural]

And golems are still unplayable on anything but witch

[finite quail]

probably 10-15%

[fossil mural]

Ggg as always

[past mantle]

Like 10% yeah.

[worthy cave]

well of course

you have to be elementalist now

[finite quail]

Maybe with primordial bond nerf 20% but not more

[worthy cave]

but liege was still going for what, half a mirror for a FF set?

it went from 40 to 20%

[past mantle]

It's less about damage loss, unless you're a dot build, but about the utility loss.

[split maple]

Yea the only question is if suddenly lightning or ele clusters make sense instead of primordial or no. In most cases prolly still primordial

[worthy cave]

and prim bond megalos were still going for stupid amounts?

[past mantle]

Getting less global defence and regen without investment.

[split maple]

Lets not forget also golems carry mana sustain

[zealous sapphire]

What's the likelihood of me getting banned for using a WSAD movement remapper for poe1? 😅 I REALLY want to get back into it but I've gotten a bit lazy with clicking like crazy.

[narrow yoke]

anyone else like the new BBurger King Drip, i like it myself

[sleek ocean]

With The more minions support you probly can skip elementalist for golems

[fossil mural]

Like 0

[worthy cave]

Oh wait golem quality

[slow sonnet]

Then I guess I'll try penance brand of dissipation this league. I did see some PBoD buffs

[heady forge]

I don't think they'd ban for that. It's not automation of any kind

[gentle ice]

i'd say low but not zero 🤔

[fossil mural]

No one gives a shit frankly

[solid stratus]

i don't see why i'd ever go elementalist for golems when f/f exists

[worthy cave]

so that's another prim bond basically

[split maple]

Pbod Lost half of damage?

[worthy cave]

b/c last league they cost half a mirror from what I heard?

[fossil mural]

Normal pbrand was buffed, not dissipation

[split maple]

Like nerfs were big to it

[solid stratus]

won't this league

[slow sonnet]

Didn't they buff some of it?

[past mantle]

You don't want to run golems outside of elementalist unless you're already a minion build anyways, at which point the buffs don't matter.

[worthy cave]

sure

[slow sonnet]

Ah well

[stuck phoenix]

PB?

[worthy cave]

so now you can get that on nekomancer

[sleek ocean]

I do miss crazy carrion golem from ritual league

[worthy cave]

and do...IDK what

[stoic horizon]

if a macro only does one action then its not against tos, so i assume mapping just one directional movement to a button falls under that

[heady forge]

Another thing about Holy Strike I'm wondering is if Vaal skills trigger the minions to hit.

[paper root]

I miss carrion also

[fossil mural]

On WHAT

[stuck phoenix]

If a macro only does one action per one real life action then it's not against tos

[junior otter]

really risky way to type that

[worthy cave]

On nekomancer 😛

[solid stratus]

p sure only holy strike triggers them to hit

[zealous sapphire]

might want to edit that before you get struck down lol

[gentle ice]

if only they'd allow us to use controller with mouse & keyboard at the same time !!! i hate that so much that you have to switch to use either, at least put an option to change in game ffs

[past mantle]

🤨

[narrow yoke]

how do you play a negromancer?

[heady forge]

Wait really? I could swear I read it as "Minions will hit once you strike an enemy" or something along those lines

[tight plinth]

a what?

[solid stratus]

rly

[stoic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/talk-lizard-ironic-gif-25847938

[fossil mural]

It changes ui, so probably cant

[blazing spear]

should I 100% POE?

[heady forge]

I see. Well nevermind that idea then

[stuck phoenix]

How about no

[solid stratus]

120% it

[worthy cave]

And of course, rangers got f-all this patch 😭

[echo heath]

what day is 3.28?

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/howaboutno-how-about-yes-how-about-no-dr-evil-drevikl-gif-18123730622369852256

[sterile depot]

CoC got gutted man 🙁

[whole bluff]

I wanna make artwork of bido drawing the banhammer

[blazing spear]

I checkmarked achievements that I completed, but Steam didn't sync

[whole bluff]

Or mutehammer

[fossil mural]

Coc was too strong

[blazing spear]

Did you all notice a common theme?

[sterile depot]

💀

[past mantle]

Is this because of awakeend coc?

[stuck phoenix]

I am on the fence about bonking this guy. I might, I might not. I've only actually banned bots and one idiot so far though

[fossil mural]

Spells can not be allowed to be good

[sterile depot]

Yuh

[blazing spear]

Anchovi?

[stuck phoenix]

If you want to draw me go ahead though xd

[whole bluff]

That guy had it coming

[stuck phoenix]

It was some guy asking about d2 repeatedly after me telling them not to in new player help

[blazing spear]

just silence him

[stuck phoenix]

Anchovi was not me if he was bonked

[gentle ice]

they said they would look into it, pretty sure that's a lie tho but yeah, i'm sure it would not be that hard to allow mouse & keyboard on the controller ui 😐 , i like to play the game with a controller but inventory management, trees management, etc is awful on controller
and even if UI has to change i can't believe it would be that hard to be able to swap it on the fly it could be a button or something idk a F key to swap between mouse&keyboard / controller ui

[whole bluff]

I only got mute for syntax iirc

Maybe also an argument once

[blazing spear]

I got muted for toucans

[fossil mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354032199284035590/1380950038460502219/cohort_takeover.gif

[whole bluff]

The mute for syntax gave me a 72h t17 kill so I don't mind

On celery pizza sticks

(Mostly)

[fossil mural]

This reminds me I still have a free 35cm pizza

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930980445389217852/1139592106172764270/cat.gif

[blazing spear]

Any advice for the uncompleted achievements that aren't easy?

[fossil mural]

Listen to all dialogue

[worthy cave]

yep

[stark badger]

play the game for 15 years

[worthy cave]

Loss of awakened CoC -> loss of +3 to crit gems mastery -> oof

[blazing spear]

1. I hate campaign
2. I hate minions
3. I am too bad for HC

[tranquil umbra]

oh they removed that mastery

[worthy cave]

no

mastery is still there

unless...they removed it?

[fossil mural]

[tight plinth]

do you get something special from completing all steam achievements?

[fossil mural]

They didnt

[fossil mural]

No

[worthy cave]

right but now it has no awakened CoC gem to supercharge

[dusk drift]

If i want kinda consistant and save starter with decent clear, not necessary good bossing, but tanky, Essence drain occultist is fine?

[stuck phoenix]

You get all steam achievements completed

[blazing spear]

serious bragging rights

[tranquil umbra]

ig that's true

[whole bluff]

HC is just for a challenge when you mastered SC imo. But hard to master a game that's ever-changing

[tight plinth]

aw hell nah, i aint bout to listen to all npc dialogues

[worthy cave]

Essence Drain Occultist isn't tanky at all unless you're CI

[tight plinth]

they can have their bragging rights

[worthy cave]

she has absolutely nothing for life-based builds

[blazing spear]

You also have to farm oni

[slow sonnet]

Occultist is the CI ascendancy, no?

[tight plinth]

ive done that

[worthy cave]

sure but CI needs gear

[blazing spear]

jesus

[fossil mural]

Tree

[worthy cave]

WYD before that?

[karmic gust]

occultist is CI and divine flesh ascendancy

[worthy cave]

assuming it isn't hot garbage

[stuck phoenix]

Not strictly speaking, but she has one or two es related notables that you can take

[karmic gust]

but currently elmentalist is better divine flesh ascendancy

:d

[stuck phoenix]

I forgot if it's one or two

[blazing spear]

golem stack?

[sleek ocean]

Endurance stacking was quite fun last league

[blazing spear]

that thing is dead

[stuck phoenix]

There's also no specific CI synergy

[worthy cave]

how do you figure?

golems?

[ocean nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118165205025828884/1361286631390187812/ezgif-1ce9898e23d03b.gif

[karmic gust]

chaos golem yea

[stark badger]

you'll get a random unique from hillock long before getting oni if that's about the achievement

[worthy cave]

is there a good elementalist starter for expedition?

[fossil mural]

Widowhail pog

[worthy cave]

ignite seems to run into the wall on rares

[fossil mural]

Only for super easy exp or logbooks

[worthy cave]

I mean juiced exp

[stoic horizon]

just get a better ignite build

[karmic gust]

i mean ele is rly good poison ascendancy

[fossil mural]

Youll get mogged by juiced

[normal hedge]

you dont run ignite for expeditions anyways

[karmic gust]

so you can play poison

[slow sonnet]

I saw cold brand (what was the skill?)

[sleek ocean]

Golem effect stacking was fun but rip

[worthy cave]

wintertide?

[slow sonnet]

Yes

[stoic horizon]

you need to be gigatanky for juiced

[karmic gust]

wintertide is ok too

[slow sonnet]

I did see that it seems like an ok starter

[stoic horizon]

and by giga tanky i mean like

[fossil mural]

All elemental damage is dogshit for juice

[worthy cave]

CI aegis?

[fossil mural]

Because you get hit by both res mods and generic dr

[slow sonnet]

I am thinking of biting the bullet and playing Forbidden Rite of Soul Sacrifice

[fossil mural]

You need giga damage

To punch through

[worthy cave]

except it can't be crit

[stark badger]

juice was a mistake

[paper root]

Juiced expedition with those tujen archers dudes...

[rocky pendant]

Just farm rain of chaos all day everyday 😌

[worthy cave]

yeah, arbalests