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[full kraken]

whats considered the cleanest way nowadays to make HoI autochain now as herald stacker? aside from theoretical "always crit" belt (lets assume thats unobtanium for now)

[onyx adder]

I mean if u dont do that then what ur getting is 50% on one aura

[worthy cave]

Seems like it's an entirely new 50% aura

[crystal talon]

r u doing frostmage toads?

[worthy cave]

2x 50% = 100%

[coral summit]

i mean, there's also runegraft of the fishing rod or w/e but that is also unobtainium

[worthy cave]

a whole new 50% aura seems pretty good, no?

[onyx adder]

Which in no world is worth the points

[full kraken]

indeed

[crystal talon]

Wait frostmage support would add a mana cost to the toads wouldn't it

[worthy cave]

In other words, aul bloodline sucks?

[coral summit]

aul bloodline is in the other notable

that gives u benefits for unsocketed items

[worthy cave]

yeah, boots -_-

[coral summit]

that is really fucking strong situationally.

[worthy cave]

or you could just get the durdle turtle from farrul

or some other survivable beasty

[coral summit]

but it got less good this league since they got rid of a lot of the stupid action speed reduction stuff

so take that as you will

[worthy cave]

so here's something cute you can do with it

you can try and extend duration of replica rumi's

[onyx adder]

Toad has bad DE to base ratio

[worthy cave]

and use it with aul

[coral summit]

oye replica rumis is always really strong with action speed immunity and duration enkindle

[onyx adder]

Its like 1 to 7.5 or something

[coral summit]

idk if its worth 2 asc points specifically for tho

usually see it on jugg only cuz of that

[worthy cave]

well you also get action speed slow immunity

not sure how feasible it is to extend its duration by giga giga tho

[meager wharf]

Hey, I'm completely new to PoE1 and wanted to ask if there's also the option to play a shapeshifter, aka a druid, like in PoE2?

[worthy cave]

to the point that a PF can sustain it

[coral summit]

you get two uses of it

[worthy cave]

I wonder if pathfinder can put it to permasustain

[onyx adder]

I think if u genuinely want to toad its going to be in diallas or skin or whatever gives it levels

Not giving it flat

[worthy cave]

between tattoos and druidic rite

[coral summit]

iirc duration from tree doesnt affect the base duration of a flask

[crystal talon]

it isn't that bad idk. like sameish as soulrend of reaping

[coral summit]

the enkindling orb modifier is local to the flask

so without enkindle it's just too short to do anything with

[worthy cave]

how doesn't duration from tree affect flask duration?

oh

see, this kind of crap is why

[coral summit]

and enkindling cuts out charge gen while it's on so gg

[worthy cave]

I think that master alch should A) be a two pointer B) just override flask duration/charge consumptions

Just make master alch like Gladiator's Determined Survivor

[coral summit]

i mean if you could do that pathfinder would just be broken as shit

[worthy cave]

Flasks consume 20 charges instead of their stated value; flasks last for 8 seconds instead of their stated value

[final owl]

a significant aspect of the poe1 / 2 split is rigging animations for 1 is horrible, apparently. So for the short term, not going to be a thing. might eventually be a thing if they put the poe2 rigging tech in 1 eventually.

[worthy cave]

I mean if glad can cap block on broken faith

[coral summit]

the really strong flasks have things that keep u from spamming for fun for good reason lol

[worthy cave]

How do you make Pathfinder flask sustain good in a way that doesn't benefit mageblood

[tight plinth]

@spice pecan did you manage to fix your pc?

[worthy cave]

Sure, that applies to everyone else

[coral summit]

other than like, oriaths and progenesis

[worthy cave]

Right.

[coral summit]

probably two of the strongest unique flasks that can get spammed, but they're both uber boss drops

replica rumis is a p common heist reward iirc

[worthy cave]

Sure, but I think it's fair that an ascendancy can do special things with items to make them shine

[meager wharf]

Will poe 1 ever be adapted to poe2?

[coral summit]

and even dying sun isnt that hard to find, as is like

cinderswallow

[worthy cave]

otherwise, what's the point of master alchemist?

You can already sustain your basic magic flasks with just your basic 3 per 3, tides, and nature's remedies

[coral summit]

idk

[worthy cave]

I.E. stuff you want to pick up just for flask effect

[coral summit]

ask ggg why they havent touched master alchemist/master distiller

[worthy cave]

I keep trying.

But I feel like I'm screaming into the void

Master alch is just plain redundant/pointless

and master distiller actively harms you

Like I could undrestand if master alchemist made otherwise unsustainable flasks sustainable in some capacity

[final owl]

they are going to be developed in parrallel for a long time to come. we have no way to know what will make it into poe1 in future. for now though, the answer is, no druids or things that require new elaborate animation rigging for now i think.

[worthy cave]

but it doesn't do that

it's like "oh, this unsustainable flask? Yeah, it's still unsustainable, but you might be able to hold onto it a little longer, sometimes, LOL"

[coral summit]

./shrug

[opaque sphinx]

forgot about dis

[worthy cave]

Another cute option for master alchemist might be:

"Your flasks can have one of each enchantment; enkindled flasks do not stop gaining charges while in use"

[coral summit]

idt that one would work because flasks are items

[hexed mountain]

i wonder if you could actually get damage on flicker scion by using prospero in uber lab

[full kraken]

master alch exists so that I can take the 1 travel passive point otw to it for additional flask effect, without taking the notable itself

[coral summit]

and you could just trade them

[hexed mountain]

like prospero uber lab + bronn's lithe for evasion and just run perseverance

[worthy cave]

right

[coral summit]

the second one would work but never the first unless you just picked a specific effect

on the asc itself

[full kraken]

How about...

"You have an additional flask slot"

[worthy cave]

Maybe: "your flasks are always used at the end of their flask effect. Your enkindled flasks can gain charges while in use."

[coral summit]

also rumi's would have the issue where you only need max roll and 50% increased flask effect with a duration enkindle to get permanently capped attack block/45% spellblock

which is basically capped with tempest shield

they are never going to allow that without like

halving what replica rumis has on it

[full kraken]

actually tbh a cute effect you could have on Master Alchemist could simply be giving it mini mageblood

"Leftmost Magic Utility Flask constantly applies its flask effects to you"

[meager wharf]

allright thanks!

[full kraken]

just one, but thats still already quite strong

[worthy cave]

Drop the "Magic"

[coral summit]

eh, it's kinda redundant

[worthy cave]

and you got yourself a deal 😛

[full kraken]

no thats way to overpowered

[coral summit]

with how pathfinder builds already

pathfinder already gets like 70-80% flask effect without enkindles

[worthy cave]

then that's just yet more "mageblood at home"

[full kraken]

nope because you forget that if you have that effect, much like MB, now you can stack flask effect on it instead of flask charges/duration

[coral summit]

and perm on anything thats not giga crippled in charges required/other stuff

[full kraken]

so right off the bat you get like another 70% flask effect from the enchant, and 25% from the prefix

[worthy cave]

sure, but what does that accomplish?

[full kraken]

your leftmost flask is a gigaflask?

[worthy cave]

You double up the effect of one flask

like let's just put that node into perspective

[full kraken]

uh... yeah? thats... huge?

[worthy cave]

It's basically a glorified onslaught

[full kraken]

that basically becomes "solve one entire problem and never worry about it again" which would probably be resists

[coral summit]

pathfinders can already do that

[full kraken]

youd prolly shove a bismuth into it and never have to worry about resists

[worthy cave]

like what's the most expensive magic flask you can think of?

in terms of charges?

[coral summit]

https://pobb.in/eGaGDKeKGMS-

[worthy cave]

silver.

[full kraken]

ehh not that hard

take what PF can do and double it for that specific flask

[coral summit]

this dude only needs one lightning res roll on his gear

tbh if they were going to do anything they need to remove the constant need to press life flask on pathfinder

[onyx adder]

At level 1 its close, at level 3 toads does like 3k base damage

[coral summit]

just make life flask repeat at the end of its duration every time

so people aren't just macroing the pf lifeflask

[devout gulch]

Quick question for folks here. What are your CPU temps when running PoE? My computer new and not setup yet.

[onyx adder]

And soulrend is 2200

[worthy cave]

trying to find where all the fchaos res comes from

[onyx adder]

So since theyve got the same DE its relatively less good to invest into flat

[coral summit]

two divine flesh notables, most of it from progenesis, then one on gear

[zenith citrus]

I assume if you are playing exceptional supports this league you gonna want cane

[onyx adder]

That said, u cant invest into gem levels or cast speed so maybe theres just no other good way to spend ur build budget

[zenith citrus]

Man cane of kulemak gonna be so expensive this league

[full kraken]

thats.... not a PF thing

this build is abusing Glorious Vanity + Sublime + Watchers eye combo which means they gave up all their auras for that

[onyx adder]

Possibly, diallas or skin are options

[full kraken]

That has nothing to do with PF lol, thats "I gave up all my auras so I only care about lightning and chaos res"

[coral summit]

Oye, but most other builds don't get to rely on a perm flask for it unless they also run mb

[kindred silo]

giving up ur auras is such a small downisde now

[coral summit]

most other builds still pay like a 4-5 suffix tax to do that

[full kraken]

... none of their flasks apply to that other than some lightning res from one suffix lol

[zenith citrus]

Coruscating flask copers

[onyx adder]

Yer this is also why ppl arent going nuts over frostmage

[coral summit]

i mean the problem with frostmage is more that it actively clashes with hiero stuff which is way better than like, guardian stuff for reserving mana

[kindred silo]

well i was more referring to the fact that arctic armor and flesh and stone arent auras

[onyx adder]

Frostmage is very interesting but ppl are just going nah i'll just stick with mom and arcane cloak over auras

[onyx adder]

Oh sure

[full kraken]

thats true, but thats not the point, the point is that "Being PF" isnt whats enabling the combo

[coral summit]

hiero actively gives you a metric fuckton of aoe+mom+arcane cloak

guardian only gives u flat armour and es

which are not hard to get

[zenith citrus]

How much mana do you have to reserve to consider using frostmage support

[onyx adder]

Id suggest that reservation in general hasnt scaled super well with game power tho

Especially defensive auras since the grace determ nerfs

[full kraken]

dont forget aspect of the crab 😄

[onyx adder]

FNS is kinda fake

[coral summit]

flesh and stone is an aura

can't run it with sublime vision

found that one out the hard way

[kindred silo]

but ya auras have felt pretty ass with their nerfs and general power creep

[zenith citrus]

I blame aura stackers

[coral summit]

being PF doesn't enable it, but it makes it a shitton easier and also lets him do a bunch of other things

[worthy cave]

All that's well and good, but my biggest issue is that PF is pigeonholed into poison builds simply b/c she doesn't have anything else to click

[coral summit]

most other builds that want to do divine flesh+one other ele have to pay in some very expensive way

[full kraken]

I think "leftmost magic utility flask always applies" as mini MB would be broken as fuck overall, people would quickly figure out ways to min max it

it would be sure as hell better than what it currently is

it thematically fits its travel notable being 30% inc effect

[coral summit]

the slammer I made early gives up a shield slot to do it instead of sublime vision, which is a really strong slot to be giving up
purity of ice can't do it without sublime vision and that's the weakest way to play it unless you are fine with just never running shaper/feared

[worthy cave]

It's this node in particular that's soa wful

like you have 1x life, 2x unique

like once you have 1x life 1x unique, that node is mathematically weaker than 20x5

[coral summit]

in which case yeah it's easy to cap max cold res with aegis

[worthy cave]

from your minors

[full kraken]

I dont typically run unique flasks as PF personally, depends on the build

[formal ridge]

this might sound dumb but why isnt KF totems deadeye a thing? basically has everything you need (except defense but hiero is not a tank either)

[worthy cave]

progen + sorrow/replica sorrow

[coral summit]

mamba wouldn't need replica sorrow

[full kraken]

I adhere to the "I paid for 6 portals Ill use all 6 portals" gameplan

[worthy cave]

mamba uses regular sorrow with necrotic + corrupted soul

[coral summit]

but even regular sorrow on mamba would be rly strong if you build any half decent amount of es

[full kraken]

which means quicksilver, silver, evasion, evasion flasks

[coral summit]

and progenesis is just the pathfinder/dissolution flask

if you are playing either of those you get that flask at some point, end of story lmao

[zenith citrus]

Deadeye best node is tailwind

[kindred silo]

deadeye might have some reduced duration problems

[worthy cave]

right, so you have life, sorrow/replica, progen

and then the 2x30% is just garbage

[full kraken]

Id rather just rocket at mach20 through the map and die every other map

[kindred silo]

like u need more reduced duration on gear for league start

[visual stream]

2 more days still league start but i didnt see any ziz build guide yet

[coral summit]

and then you can typically get either giga speed or just run increased effect resist flasks

[visual stream]

me sad now

[formal ridge]

but tailwind helps with the ''nerfs'' to emerge totem right?

[coral summit]

that is not insignificant itself either

[worthy cave]

I mean turning the 30% inc. effect of magic utility flasks into "your leftmost magic utility flask always applies to you" sounds great

[formal ridge]

because action speed affects totem placement

[full kraken]

nah Im imagining the second notable is mini mageblood

[coral summit]

perma 40% cast/movespeed and shock immunity

[storm venture]

arakalifang letsssgoooo

[zenith citrus]

But not the actual dps of the totems

[worthy cave]

the first is garbage too though

[zenith citrus]

What a waste of the tailwind node

[full kraken]

this is absolutely what I am planning to use this support for, it gives me about 12% more dps ❤️

[worthy cave]

b/c under a very feasible loadout

[coral summit]

then final flask is just like, pick what you want to solve in ur build

[worthy cave]

1 life, 2 unique, 2 magic utility

[storm venture]

normal 20, helmet x2 = 40 - +50% = 60 holy...

[zenith citrus]

Plus if you are totems you aren't gonna spam enough skills to maintain 10 stacks of tw

[coral summit]

pathfinder's 2 magics are never ever weak

[visual stream]

beside akali i dont think there other minons actually benefit from this gems ?

[coral summit]

cuz once u get tides you can get 95% effect anything

[worthy cave]

sure, but I'm saying the node itself is weak

[storm venture]

many

[worthy cave]

not that PF's flasks are weak

[full kraken]

I use spiders for the inc dmg buff, so Im just gonna be sitting at ~27 spiders, which is still a decent dmg boost

[zenith citrus]

Good for utility

[worthy cave]

just 2x30% for an ascendancy node is pathetic

[zenith citrus]

Utility spectres or smth

[coral summit]

eh

nature's boon is still fine early in the league

[storm venture]

i would not use it if only giving fews extra

[worthy cave]

sure, but I'd like for there to be another path to master alchemist then

[coral summit]

i think they could do a little more so they aren't just a leveling/early prog ascendancy

[worthy cave]

if it must be a 4-pointer

[coral summit]

but the problem is more master alch/distiller being unpickable

[storm venture]

20+ golem, 40 zombies, etc..

[coral summit]

than anything else

[worthy cave]

then make master distiller not suck

like make master alch actually be good

[full kraken]

each spider gives 15% increased damage buff, so another 7 spiders is 105% increased damage buff I get

[worthy cave]

and then path it to master alch along with nature's boon

[storm venture]

oh you are not playing minion build?

[full kraken]

correct lol

[storm venture]

lol

[coral summit]

like, obviously on pf the main three things they need to address

[olive sinew]

Please tell me those are not the only new exceprional gems
They are boring AF

[worthy cave]

1. Master distiller is horrendous

[coral summit]

are master alchemist/distiller and the need to press ur fucking life flask every 2.5 seconds

[formal ridge]

IDK im really worried about attack totems builds being unplayable after that nerfs to placements...totems will only be playable by hiero with its placement speed

[worthy cave]

Press the life flask every 3 seconds = give us instilling orbs for life flasks

[crystal talon]

tfw I have 37 spectres giving me 370% inc defenses 🗿

[worthy cave]

and give us instiling orbs for tinctures

[buoyant jungle]

How should I read this passive?

1. 100% increased number of skills created by Ailith within Breach Hives not leading to Fortresses in your Maps
2. 100% increased number of skills created by Ailith within Breach Hives / not leading to Fortresses in your Maps

[storm venture]

i want some build can afk blight 😄

[coral summit]

1

is how you read it

[worthy cave]

Ai;lith gives you lots more buttons on the obnoxious defend the Ailith in maps encounters

[full kraken]

this build can afk a lotta stuff

I afk'd half of a few uber bosses with it haha

[worthy cave]

and you have 2 more waves for w/e reason

[coral summit]

so if you get a hive on the map you get a shitton more buttons

which is specifically for enrage the hive scarab

[worthy cave]

also you can turn those buttons into juice

yeah

[storm venture]

noted

[worthy cave]

so you keep clicking enrage

and ge tlots more loot

[crystal talon]

1, fortresses are the boss fight

[worthy cave]

it's basically identical to empowered blight

[coral summit]

and to quote octavian "if you're going to press every button you'd better have a really, really good build"

[full kraken]

the only annoying thing about that support gem is it'll take 3 passes instead of 2 to max out my spiders

[worthy cave]

with the enrage the hive scarab

[coral summit]

lmao

[full kraken]

slightly more micromanaging

[coral summit]

theres a nonzero chance the monsters can just oneshot ailith

unless she doesnt have a real hp value

and just takes X hits

[soft sable]

why are those wings 640 when not on sale

65eur

[worthy cave]

also how good are we talking of a build?

[coral summit]

well, considering with that you're probably getting like 4 buttons a wave

[full kraken]

those might be one of the items you need 2 items and then combine them together, so buying it outright does all those steps for you

[coral summit]

and up to 10 waves on a map

[soft sable]

ooh

[worthy cave]

40x enrage the hive

[coral summit]

you get increased toughness per purple dot you pop

[worthy cave]

ummmmmmm

[coral summit]

and increased toughness per button

[wintry lily]

because poe charges 10 juno skins worth of money for wings.

Dont ask me why, thats just how it has been

[zenith citrus]

To encourage you to gamba

[worthy cave]

just HOW much damage do you need then?

[coral summit]

and you're gonna have like four times the purple dots

i would bet that we're dipping into juiced blight tier stuff at that point lol

[worthy cave]

yeah my thoughts exactly

so what's the damage threshold there?

Like 100 million/

[soft sable]

goat

[coral summit]

that or dot cap on ubers

if you play a dot build

[worthy cave]

problem with mamba is the melee aspect of it

so you can only cover one wave

[zenith citrus]

Why are you an Oreo irl?

[soft sable]

juno my beloved

[worthy cave]

and if they all banzai her at once

[zenith citrus]

Is it cos you are constantly cream filled?

[worthy cave]

then you're just kind of stuffed

[coral summit]

that was not how i thought you were going to follow that up

LMAOOOOO

I was in the middle of typing and had to stop to laugh

[full kraken]

lets say theoretically we cooked up an arakaalis build that aimed to just have ~56 spiders, so 840% inc damage...

What poison skill would we use, considering we gave up weapon slot (though its a decent dagger to use with Spellblade support, it has decent flat dmg)

Id prolly go gladiator

[coral summit]

but yeah breach demands like

[full kraken]

but we cant go mamba, inherently, cuz spiders poison on hit

[coral summit]

rly good omnidirectional clear

gl lol

[opaque phoenix]

Which is better for Kinetic Fusillade totems? Champ or hierophant?

[wintry lily]

just have true prolif for omni clear

[coral summit]

I was considering trying to put together a rain of arrows impale champ with the buffed lioneye's glare

but it's aggressively mid

[zenith citrus]

Are you the double stuffed type too?

Okay I'll stop

[split maple]

i was kinda suprised how bad hive heralder is at fortress breach actually

[coral summit]

https://giphy.com/gifs/kitty-concern-reject-DWoHbAuPdzAdCHhbGd

[split maple]

like explosions arent enough if you want to stand in the centre

you rly need coverage

[worthy cave]

right

[coral summit]

ye you need to reach out to like straight screen edge and damage keeps going after

[worthy cave]

so if you keep clicking enrage the hive on an open map

[full kraken]

how good is reap for poison?

[coral summit]

cuz inevitably something's gonna get through

[split maple]

kboc did rly good at it tho

[worthy cave]

also...if you keep clicking enrage the hive

do the mobs also hit harder?

[coral summit]

yes

they also gain damage

[worthy cave]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[split maple]

like if you watch red dots on minimaps they keep dying 1.5 screens away

[coral summit]

i would be willing to bet it's somewhere in the region of like

15-30% toughness, 5-10% inc dmg per button

[split maple]

content you should compare it too is prolly bloodline invigo blight

[worthy cave]

1200% toughness, 400% inc. damage

[split maple]

since no unique mobs

and for that like tank check isnt that bad

[coral summit]

probably on the lower end

cuz toughness gets pretty rough especially combined with this node

where you're gonna have like thirty of these fuckers in the radius

of your hive

[worthy cave]

Oh god

[zenith citrus]

I skipped this recent league

[worthy cave]

Just how much damage do you need then ?8(

[zenith citrus]

What's the breach mechanic mostly used for now in 3.28

[coral summit]

Uhh

well, normal monsters aren't that tough

or even magic ones

[worthy cave]

but the rares oh boy

[onyx adder]

Right now its used for uniques and for rog-tier gear

[coral summit]

normal monsters legit only have like 20-50k base life, magic monsters maybe 10 times that?

[onyx adder]

And for the league specific borrowed power which is leaving us

[zenith citrus]

So skippable?

[coral summit]

rares like 15-20x before you get into tank mods

[dark sequoia]

Do I understand correctly that Lycia bloodline more damage with heralds does not affect Herald of Ash's damage?

[zenith citrus]

Is that foulborn?

Or is that staying

[split maple]

so what 120% tougness soul eater rare is the worst? so like 95% dmg reduction overall?

[onyx adder]

No, that's staying. The borrowed power is grafts

[split maple]

that aint too bad

like compared to blight

[zenith citrus]

Ok ty

[coral summit]

well, conservative estimate would be like

[onyx adder]

U can absolutely skip breach but many ppl are intending to run it early because the rog-tier gear was so strong this league

[coral summit]

if its only 15% toughness per button on 10 waves

[candid moon]

Tree is like necropolis but simplified

[coral summit]

plus 30 burrows

[zenith citrus]

Which imbue coin do you think is gonna be the most expensive

[coral summit]

~720 toughness, or ~88% less dmg taken

if i did my math right

its getting near 100% deli territory there

[worthy cave]

so eventually, you just might need warden damage is what you're saying?

[coral summit]

how much damage they do is another question

[zenith citrus]

I assume the breach tree replaced by atlas passives right

[worthy cave]

yeah that's the part that warden...struggles with lmao

[coral summit]

genesis tree is still there

but it got nerfed

a lot

[final owl]

tree stays. no more weapons

[zenith citrus]

I feel like Lowkey dex might be the most expensive coin

[coral summit]

you dont get weapons, links went down from 150>60 rolls

you dont get as many total points

fracture node probably also got nerfed, tier modifiers got nerfed

[split maple]

unique part is pretty much unchanged afaik?

so should still be good for early belts and jewels

[worthy cave]

if you don't get as many points for uniques or currencies

[final owl]

seemingly but we don't really know how easy it will be to get ancient gifts do we

[worthy cave]

then you're absolutely hosed

[onyx adder]

Depends on the meta, but first instinct is blue since if u want a blue imbue theres an absolute fuck ton of hits that are narrow or bad and u probably cannot resell

On most skills

[coral summit]

uniques/currencies probably untouched

[worthy cave]

ah

[coral summit]

i think it was all mentioned specifically for provisioning/gear

[slow niche]

Boon of the mountain from olroth ascendancy seems really strong if for whatever reason you're going ward

[coral summit]

cuz that was the really broken part of the tree

[zenith citrus]

I'm thinking dex gems on movement skills

[slow niche]

50% less dot damage

[worthy cave]

if provisioning got gigaclapped

then what even is the upside of breach then

[hexed mountain]

nvm tried perseverance wiht prospero armour shield and bronn's lithe on scion and the damage just ain't it

[coral summit]

foulborn uniques

you basically fish for uniques

[worthy cave]

you're just trying to fish for specifically...2x foulborn oppressor or foulborn unnatural?

[coral summit]

foulborn rathpith

[zenith citrus]

I feel like a lot of people gonna throw dex gem on movement skills hopefully they aren't too rare for em

[candid moon]

If you have 2 skill gems and one is imbued, will the other one also get affected? Didnt think about that till now

[dark sequoia]

fractured veiled modifiers?
Anything useful for endgame crafting with that?

[coral summit]

you can get min fractured charges+charge on kill

idk if you'd want that endgame

[onyx adder]

Yes, it works like theres an invisible link to the level 1 gem

[coral summit]

esp since most jewelry endgame is unique or heist

[candid moon]

Ez

[coral summit]

but it makes for some very good potential midgame stuff

you can get a fractured weapon with prefix

[onyx adder]

U cant have 2 imbued in the same links tho

[coral summit]

get fractured phys or w/e

[hexed mountain]

a lot

[split maple]

pretty funky for atlas progression - like get phys on axe fraced and just slap one essence of contempt and you are gg. For lategame you dont want them fraced, since stuff like 8% incr attr you want to transfer to good base first

[dark sequoia]

Maybe for an aurabot using aul bloodline since they changed 'no charges' to min charges?

[fossil mural]

I dont think so? You usually want to gamble the veiled mod as a last/second to last step

[coral summit]

slam it with essences for hybrid and you get a good weapon

[split maple]

its interesting for drop only veiled mods

so ones you cannot get by veiled ex

like -mana cost

incr attributes

[worthy cave]

yeah except you also need to hit the proper base

[split maple]

but these you rly want nonfraced

[coral summit]

you get a shitton of veiled items when u spec into it

[slow niche]

The change with kalguur where they swapped ore and plant rewards basically means we can fish for armours easier right?

[worthy cave]

and it's what--5% chance for a member to drop fractured veiled?

[coral summit]

it wont take that long to find something useable or sellable

[fossil mural]

Early on youll just be "crafting" yourself

With those

[slow niche]

The change with kalguur where they swapped ore and plant rewards basically means we can fish for armours easier right?

[split maple]

The change with kalguur where they swapped ore and plant rewards basically means we can fish for armours easier right?

[fossil mural]

Uuugh, no?

[slow niche]

Discord

[steady otter]

Early on you just struggling with getting the right color for your sockets

[fossil mural]

Gear shipments are now hard limited by crops

[coral summit]

wot the fuck discord lmao

[split maple]

ward basses on the passive ig

[fossil mural]

And the alternative is to do harvest for crops

Which is

[split maple]

but change otherwise is kinda ass

[fossil mural]

[split maple]

no more free divs per day

[hexed mountain]

it means that now you can spamm ores to get divs

[split maple]

while for tats and grafts its just the same

[hexed mountain]

but you have to actually farm these ores

[fossil mural]

Its no longer biased

The drops will be completely different

[hexed mountain]

yeah but you get a ton more to send

[split maple]

bias doesnt rly matter if you seend like 3mil ships

[split maple]

do you though

[zenith citrus]

Wait so stuff like exceptional supports will be affected by imbued?

[split maple]

like when i was spaming ores for tats it was actually faster to wait for crops

[hexed mountain]

well in phrecia i could send 15M per 2 hours

[split maple]

in phrecia yes

[hexed mountain]

from pure ores

[steady otter]

Yeahh Imma stick with breach and harvest instead of spiral into insanity with the ores

[fossil mural]

They did buff it

[split maple]

especially coz ores to bars scarbs is rare af

[slow niche]

What does that mean

[fossil mural]

So maybe more ore than before

[split maple]

i wont believe its relevant till i see it ingame 😄

[fossil mural]

It means what it says

[hexed mountain]

they said they make smelters not be paid actors who refuse to work tho

[fossil mural]

I dont think youll be doing no refinement scarab ore farms lmao

[candid moon]

It literally just "adds" a level1 support to your links

[split maple]

like it needs much more than just 1.5x buff

[worthy cave]

ehhhhh?

[worldly bridge]

fuck ass layout

[worthy cave]

The thing about the ores is that no matter how much you juice them

it isn't like there's a failure state with them besides losing your portals

[hexed mountain]

you can passively farm it looking for svalinns

[slow niche]

Goddamn discord is ass today

[zenith citrus]

Hawt I thought it just affected that skill gem

[worthy cave]

unlike say Ailith dying or breaches closing or blights failing

[hexed mountain]

i must say tho : i wont setup my farmers before like end of week 1 probably

[worthy cave]

it's why Kingsmarch seems so decent to start with

[hexed mountain]

better things to do with gold

[slow niche]

So you can get loot out of shipments as much as they ask for instead of sending a big ass shipment?

[worthy cave]

but you also need a crapton of gold to get it started

[surreal mulch]

is there any way to convert + flat attack damage into minion damage?

[hexed mountain]

now that farmers isnt a passive div printing setup we can put the money in better stuff

[fossil mural]

No? It means you need to send crop for gears, and crops come from farmers - that do x amount of crop per hour.

[slow niche]

Abyss jewels

[full kraken]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[worthy cave]

Also, will different ores mean necessarily different currencies?

[full kraken]

thats pretty good for lv 88 in passives and mostly naked build

[fossil mural]

This shi again

[worthy cave]

Like which ores will get you the divine orbs?

[elfin swan]

Guys I didn't play PoE since 2023 and got into mood finally for upcoming league. Any tips toward some simple build to start new league with, I remember having some performance issues so anything skill piano and precision demanding won't work likely

[slow niche]

And what's different than before?

[worthy cave]

Or is it just total bars sent?

[soft perch]

i can start typing more if u want it to be better

[full kraken]

I dunno if Blade Vortex is the best pick for a skill mind you

[fossil mural]

Probably nothing. Hence why I said its not better

[full kraken]

Reap or something might do better

[surreal mulch]

anything based on cyclone like mjolner

[slow niche]

It may be better since they said the quota matters more now

[full kraken]

though last league arakaalis was quite expensive week 1 tbh

[soft perch]

shockwave cyclone slayer

[surreal mulch]

aren't they always like that?

[full kraken]

might be best to assume its even more expensive this league

[soft perch]

also has very real scaling with void shockwave

[full kraken]

they used to be less popular

[soft perch]

no idea how rare that is

[brazen vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326335544384426125/1377978061001326694/GIF_20250416_150306_519.gif

[fossil mural]

Thats irrelevant when talking about crops and bars change, as they both get higher bonuses

[zenith citrus]

I love me some r Kelly spiders

[opaque sphinx]

forgot about all this neat stuff in std

[soft perch]

its objectively not irrelevant

wat

[full kraken]

the new foulborn witchbane jewels really are a huge buff to arakaali builds though

[surreal mulch]

well I haven't seen any arakaalis while build searching just now so there's a chance it won't be popularity spiked as much. then again I didn't necessarily search for league starters

[brazen vector]

Necro crafting my beloved

[fossil mural]

Jumping into middle of convo pag

[soft perch]

yes

[slow niche]

Sexually transmitted disease, good abbreviation for standard tbh

[elfin swan]

I seen some cyclone clips so I guess it is worth a try for me, never tried that skill in past

[soft perch]

its still not irrelevant, i doubt they wouldve made that change with crops the same

[fossil mural]

He said because crops give gear now you will get more of it

[soft perch]

its a package deal

meh they nerfed the gear quite heavily anyway

so no matter what it would be worse

[zenith citrus]

Crops give gear?

[soft perch]

ya

[zenith citrus]

Isn't the whole point for ores to give gear

[soft perch]

sir

they changed it

[zenith citrus]

When

[slow niche]

Yeah they swapped the rewards

[hexed mountain]

they switched it and wrote it in patch

[zenith citrus]

I skipped this league

[soft perch]

u can probs get scarabs/decks for crops now tho

[hexed mountain]

this patch

[soft perch]

maybe thats still ok

[signal shoal]

Is staring with energy blade bad idea? Better switch to it later or it can be a good starter?

Also how good is energy blade survivability overall

[slow niche]

Next league

[zenith citrus]

Ah okay

[hexed mountain]

putting 6 crops on the scarab crop could be decent

[sleek ocean]

They did buff smelters

[candid moon]

When you really think about it - it makes sense. You trade for different things. Why would you give ore for armor when your peasants can make it?

[soft perch]

im happy i get to opt out of kingsmarch

[hexed mountain]

i hope the buff is massive , because on live ... the smelters take a day to smelt a map or two worth of ores

[slow niche]

In my honest opinion captain lance doesn't make good starters

[fossil mural]

Still same mobile game fomo sadge

[soft perch]

not rly?

u dont passively generate heaps of divines

[fossil mural]

Farming ores for tats was good

[hexed mountain]

tats farming got better tho no?

since you can pick the color now

at least for ssf for the herald enjoyers

[zenith citrus]

How does new mappers work with the new maps

[steady otter]

Yeah he's more of an end-game build maker

[zenith citrus]

Do they open one randomly

Or do they just go into generic x map

[hexed mountain]

random probably or it would be weird for div cards

[full kraken]

I cant bring myself to bother with kingsmarch, I know its suboptimal but its so boring and unfun

[surreal musk]

if i was making a build maker tier list lance would be S tier dont slander the cheese slice man

[fossil mural]

People will just whine they feel they need to do farmers for tats cause they cost a lot

[signal shoal]

@slow niche just try to find better starter for me. Somehow before I don't have this trouble. Now thinking about energy blade, fussilade, exanguinate mines, manastack or some minions(

Too many good options

[soft perch]

literally incomparable

crops are clearly way nerfed

[surreal musk]

eb is very strong from day 1 but it is not noob friendly

[candid moon]

It's just a bad sys for poe

People who like it only like it because of free stuff

[fossil mural]

Tell that to reddit and str*amers

[brazen vector]

Glorp

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[slow niche]

I am still looking for a nice guardian dom blow build, but i would honestly wait for ruetoo to put something up

[soft perch]

who up playing frostbreath void cyclone

[split maple]

oh i didnt even think of that - that kinda nerfs them a lot

cannot just slap them a quad of good div card maps anymore

[hexed mountain]

just take litteraly any guardian minion build

[full kraken]

I feel like that build largely solves itself? what parts of it are you unsure about?

[hexed mountain]

and add RT

[soft perch]

i have gotten 4 hinekoras locks from mappers

[hexed mountain]

and spiritual aid to help kill the first packs

[brazen vector]

@split maple im starting something stupid

Rf chief into acc stack jugg

[zenith citrus]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

[soft perch]

i have never dropped a hinekoras lock

[slow niche]

Well for one i am too dumb to make a build and i didn't find one from someone else

[soft perch]

hinekoras and mirrors are unchanged from mappers and for players

they are still good

[split maple]

yea mappers having unnerfed loot is kinda hilarious

[hexed mountain]

they cost more now tho

[zenith citrus]

Hinekoras *ock

[steady otter]

That's actually possible, a bit clunky tho

[full kraken]

best way to approach it:

Click the build key pieces on poe ninja, and then just look at the passive tree heatmap, that'll get you like 85% of the way there

[split maple]

int or str acc stack

[soft perch]

its entirely possible spending gold at kirac for scarabs is like

very good now tho

[brazen vector]

Probably str

[soft perch]

since kirac was apparently buffed to offer way more stuff in his shop

and be rerollable

[split maple]

that aint stupid at all then

[signal shoal]

@surreal musk I'm not a nood, but never played EB. Also don't like die a lot

[soft perch]

u also have to remember that stuff from kirac is bought with chance orbs and chaos orbs

[full kraken]

it feels weird that ggg did this and then left expedition as... gestures broadly

[fossil mural]

Would be good. Finally a normal way to turn gold into currency

[signal shoal]

@slow niche it's minion build? How about chains of command?

[split maple]

not anymore tho

[zenith citrus]

What's the main gold dump again

[soft perch]

theres a world where kirac is the chaos sink

[fossil mural]

They said some things still are

[split maple]

like they said majority of stuff will be gold purchasable now

[soft perch]

maps are gold

[brazen vector]

I have never looked at a str acc stacker pob so no idea how to work it out so ill wing it

[soft perch]

no

they said majority of maps

[candid moon]

Plagirism do be powerful Also the rule where average opinion is usually right for builds that lack guides

[soft perch]

which means guardians and shit probably are bought with orbs

[zenith citrus]

I forgor why we needed to farm massive amounts of gold again

[full kraken]

buying stuff from async trade XD

[slow niche]

Yeah but if i encounter a problem i won't be able to solve it realistically, also the minion builds don't show dps on poeninja

[soft perch]

ngl im sad they nerfed gold from blight

[full kraken]

dont worry about dps, if anything grab by delve depth and lv 100

[soft perch]

gold in poe1 is really fucking irritating

one of my biggest pain points of the game

[full kraken]

well they fixed buying beasts so that helps a lot, but you gotta be a bit careful still when buying maps

[candid moon]

Dps only matters if you intend to copy the build, not the idea

[soft perch]

i think last league i was going through millions of gold a week

[full kraken]

but for me my #1 gold sink was crafting, often bases can be like 20k gold each

[hexed egret]

Can someone please defend mace nodes Vs quarterstaff nodes

[zenith citrus]

What for pls remind me

[full kraken]

so if you buy like 12 of them for bulk crafting, that can quickly evaporate like 120k gold in 45 seconds

[soft perch]

buying from async, funding mappers

[zenith citrus]

Ah right mappers

[full kraken]

also swapping between div and chaos can quickly nuke a chunk of gold

in... one direction, forget which

[zenith citrus]

How much does it cost to buy from async

[full kraken]

I wanna say buying chaos with div is the "rip your gold" direction

[soft perch]

depends

[candid moon]

Buying chaos

[steady otter]

Yeah that was me last league, nuke literally like 400k of gold in minutes during my base crafting session

[hexed egret]

I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would use maces

[modest depot]

🙏

[soft perch]

i was buying bound by destinys with a specific mod for 5c at one point

and they cost 25k gold each

xd

[zenith citrus]

For what build

[hexed egret]

Holy hammers

[candid moon]

Esp when this league chaos will prob be like 1:300 d

[full kraken]

crafting these boots cost me about 700k gold by the end lol

[hexed egret]

Or any of the new holy skills

[candid moon]

Maybe 1:250

[soft perch]

frostbreath for void shockwave i think will be popular

holy hammers is clearly a good skill

[hexed egret]

Why would you not use staves

[soft perch]

because frostbreath scales with flat ele

and its 1h

[candid moon]

People acting like chaos will be 1:1000d and for whatever reason we must change main secondary currency to some other obscure one lol

[soft perch]

thats like saying why would people use 1h swords when 2h swords exist

[crystal talon]

Why not paradoxica

[hexed egret]

I thought frostbreath was 2h for some reason

[soft perch]

sigh

i hate you

[hexed mountain]

people might use exalts for main currency if the droprate has indeed been boosted to chaos levels

[soft perch]

you are the worst

[steady otter]

yeah when you get to this point your gold reserve can get swallowed quite fast

[hexed egret]

Mace nodes are so dogshit

Damn like

[soft perch]

yes

but like what 1h axe are u gonna use

maybe grey wind

[slow niche]

Well the idea is to get a nice build i can start with and build well into endgame, otherwise what, do i make whatever starter on guardian and when i get a shitload of money i opt into what those fellas on poe ninja made?

[crystal talon]

What??? 😔

[hexed egret]

Like why didn't GGG buff the mace nodes

[soft perch]

foulborn frostbreath is actually a rly good home for new shockwave tho

[full kraken]

this sounds very likely yeah, I wonder if replica frostbreath with the uh... flat chaos stacking boots.... will be a build

[soft sable]

What armour pack shows bigger boobas

[steady otter]

Probably mace has been forgotten

[soft perch]

cyclone glad login

[full kraken]

maces identity is stunning stuff, I guess

[hexed egret]

But they made some new skills that specifically need mace or quarterstaff

What a stunning piece of shit weapon

[candid moon]

Y tho, the only reason I can see is to avoid faustus fees (which I'm all for)

[soft perch]

staves are good but their nodes are far from slayer

[candid moon]

Thats if it ends up being cheaper

[zenith citrus]

Real question is why they include sceptres in there lol

[full kraken]

okay so, hear me out

[soft perch]

uniques like lead sprinkler

[candid moon]

But ive seen people arguing more for scours/gcp replacing chaos than exalts lmao

[hexed mountain]

i'm considering running a focus setup since we get easy fracs now on these mods

[hexed egret]

Actually if I go holy hammers is berserker the play

[hexed mountain]

there's some big burst to be had there

[soft perch]

probably, its a slam

[full kraken]

Annihilating Light with the new skills could possibly be playable?

[soft perch]

berserker slams are good

[soft perch]

i would rly rather not

[candid moon]

Havent heard of that name since crucible 🥹

[full kraken]

aw come onnnn

[zenith citrus]

I mean u definitely could

[full kraken]

its still the meta weapon of choice for herald builds afaik

[zenith citrus]

Start smite stacking

[soft perch]

void shockwave isnt an elemental skill

= dead item

[hexed mountain]

bossers only then

[soft perch]

also flat damage scaling is a little weird when ur using a 2h

[zenith citrus]

Holy strike annihilating light sounds fun

[hexed mountain]

most herald stackers used penance and shield + profane wand

[zenith citrus]

Scale smite

[candid moon]

It made me die 400 times on my first acts clear because I didnt realize how important resists are and pob was saying it's more dmg than +2 levels staff

[full kraken]

it should theoretically work for minion clones of it, their minion attack likely will have an elemental tag to qualify as an "elemental skill"

[hexed egret]

Are there even any sceptre specific nodes

[split maple]

not rly this league, since most folks did hive and not hot

for hot you have choice between anni light and fishing rod

later feels more wellrounded imo

but like why do hot heralder when you can do hive

[full kraken]

hmm this is true

Actually wait what about

[soft perch]

no

[full kraken]

Keep in mind the new 38% more phantasms too :3

[soft perch]

i mean people have made awkward gimmicky budget builds with black cane for a while

[fierce pivot]

Really which they release all the exceptional gem info already lol

[soft perch]

i have also tried

[slow niche]

@candid moonwell you were right, there is a build with what i am aiming for

[soft perch]

it didnt feel good

[full kraken]

you really want a skill that can very very very rapidly hit many times per second

[soft perch]

yes i know

[full kraken]

ideally that is seperate from your main skill

[soft perch]

and u also need the minion med cluster

[full kraken]

so that you dont eat the -2 support gem cost that would now be incured

[fierce pivot]

Oh hey pixxelkick are you still heisting on league start ? How's heist last league

[full kraken]

dogshit imo

like really bad

[fierce pivot]

Ah

I was thinking about going back to heist this league lmao

[zenith citrus]

HOLD

[full kraken]

heist now has about 95% of its profit margins concentrated into the ammy/rings, so if you dont run 1000 heists and hit one, you basically have like 3div/hr profit rate, its so bad

[fierce pivot]

I swear GGG stealth nerf heist all the time

[full kraken]

heist sorta got maybe buffed ish, Id have to run the numbers, it doesnt cost 4c per map now I guess

in terms of cracking caches

I really wish ggg would make scarabs for heist though lol

[zenith citrus]

Cast on ward break seems pretty good

[fierce pivot]

Even if you hit simplex it would be like 12-14 div/hr at best ? From the average wing it take

[full kraken]

no it shoots up to prolly like 35 div/hr or some shit

[final owl]

how easy is it to get ward recharge time reduction

[full kraken]

those things went for multiple mirrors

[full kraken]

theres the one unique flask to make it instant isnt there

[fierce pivot]

Oh maybe I look at the poeninja price wrong

[final owl]

is there? I'm about 1/10th as knowledgeable about PoE as most of the people here.

[full kraken]

wardloop was like a whole thing iirc

I dunno if that counted as "breaking" ward tho

[spice pecan]

olroth's resolve says ward does not break during effect

[crystal talon]

Don't worry, the person you responded to isn't one of those people.

[noble sleet]

tell me... are y'all melee mains?

[spice pecan]

hell no

caring about weapon dps scares me

[final owl]

I know you can get recharge time reduction on actual ward gear but then you have to use ward gear :I

[lilac fern]

all guys r melee with swords

[crystal talon]

Yeah, ward slots & oloroth bloodline are only sources

[soft perch]

oh neat this keystone has no downside now

its still kinda useless but

i guess its free stuff?

[opaque sphinx]

fun fact all ur old these are 100d in std

kek

[full kraken]

I have no idea if restoring ward makes it become unbroken, or if it still needs the 2s base delay to become unbroken

[soft perch]

restored ward is unbroken

broken ward means u have 0 ward

[zenith citrus]

Wow monopoly money

[soft perch]

there are only 2 states of ward

having max ward, and having no ward

[opaque sphinx]

tbf u prob have 20 copy thats like a free mirror dude

[full kraken]

so, this maybe has potential

if you can hit very very fast

[soft perch]

youre a league late

[final owl]

maybe a better question would be is how low can you get ward recharge time. cos it sounds like just a different version of CWDT if it's still pretty slow

[hexed mountain]

KF enjoyers do enjoy boon of the river

[full kraken]

I assume people were fiddling with this?

[hexed mountain]

amusing how hitting 100+ times a second make it dumb

[final owl]

ah yeah the ward version of kf does use that true

[charred hornet]

Hmmm wtf is this new support gem that raise quality and level

[full kraken]

Twisters clocks in at around 90 hits/sec pretty reliably

[worthy cave]

twisters?

[hexed mountain]

so are just all standard andies farming shaper till patch?

[zenith citrus]

Also reduces mana cost/res

[charred hornet]

Oh yea wtf...94% multiplier lol

[opaque sphinx]

fuck if i know, i logged in to make WI and got distracted looking thru my stashes

[hexed mountain]

no idea either , never touching that cesspool

[opaque sphinx]

i must

[dark sequoia]

Sad that you cant use cryogenesis with ward stacking without forgoing ward bloodline

[crimson spear]

After so much grinding, I have FINALLY gotten my strongest character to level 99. Going to be a long time before I go for the level 100 grind.

[sleek ocean]

Check The requirements.

[dark sequoia]

No more toxic sewer?

[full kraken]

I really wanna do something with this, but it feels too weak to be worth it :c

[hexed mountain]

94% multi for the low price of a timeless jewel and keystone

[dark sequoia]

Are there any no socket builds other than relic of the pact?

[crystal talon]

All my homies love supreme ostentation

[charred hornet]

Holy 273 all stats LMAO

[full kraken]

is that a build that abuses the combo? I assume life stacking?

[shut edge]

so. congregation support golem stacker. thoughts?

[hexed mountain]

there was a resist stacking version too i think

where they went for a lot of white sockets

[full kraken]

oh, and then comboing that with the uncapped resist stacking items?

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[full kraken]

thats interesting 🤔

[dark sequoia]

You use untouched soul to get a lot of life and since your skill is in your wand you don't really use sockets

[crystal talon]

Tis indeed good

[dark sequoia]

New creeping frost looks interesting if cold res to dot multi mastery is still there

[soft perch]

so many content creators are using foulborn ghostwrithe in pobs

[full kraken]

if you use purity of elements to negate ailments, you could also then go and abuse

[soft perch]

pretty sure its easy money to farm them early league

[opaque sphinx]

what a weird amulet

[split maple]

wasnt that used for merc aurabot - using white sock gear on merc

[full kraken]

I dunno what skill youd put in there to be lv 31 or whatever for relic build... maybe you stick purity of elements in there for like... +42% all res haha

[crystal talon]

Yee

[opaque sphinx]

i used it on oshabi too

[split maple]

not using apostate on relic is kinda big opportunity cost

[hexed mountain]

maybe , i was thinking of a phrecia build on oshabi

[full kraken]

oh yeah that looks mandatory, I see

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/CrxyLiEXMPHd

🫡

[junior otter]

Is sweep still an act 1 gem

I'm gonna be sad as hell if it isn't

[full kraken]

part of me still wants to take a crack at raider no flasks build, using tinctures and +1 ring slot, and then using rakiatas

[hexed mountain]

its a damn damn good act 1 gem if it is

[elfin shale]

raider

[hexed mountain]

with the falling hammers it looks like turbo aoe for act 1

[onyx adder]

Theres no changes to the gem location

[full kraken]

and then uhhh.... Coiling Whisper

[elfin shale]

Is there anything besides Divine Shield and the Juggernaut node that do that

[dark sequoia]

I've wanted to make a life stacker with rigwald chest and minion life tattoos...
Best I could do was a guardian with necro aegis foulborn rathpith scaling radiant sentinel DoT for memes

[hexed mountain]

it really sucks you can't imbue level 1 gems , no level 1 temp chain with hextouch level 1

[onyx adder]

Its probably better than ground slam but the coverage on level 1 sweep is pretty bad

[full kraken]

Raider, +1 ring, no flasks, possibly self chill combo, coiling whisper soul eater, rakiatas, tincture stacking.... <insert melee skill here>

Maybe flicker strike though I dunno how Id generate frenzy charges

[junior otter]

Man overexertion nerf was giga huge

[dark sequoia]

15% effectiveness of minion life is so low.
Goes up a bit with tailoring orb.

[junior otter]

What is it like over 20% less damage? Sheeeesh

[finite quail]

worse empower and enhance in one gem

[full kraken]

and enlighten

[hexed mountain]

deserved nerf , slams not getting 33% more damage for every single warcry exerting

[crystal talon]

Still one of the single best support gem

[hexed mountain]

seeing Carn cry about it was peak comedy

[finite quail]

oh true

also

[dark sequoia]

Energy Blade with new static strike sounds fun

[full kraken]

yet another source of gem quality stacking is pretty big

[junior otter]

Eh I think it is probably too much

[full kraken]

Im sure theres... some... gem that is hungry for yet another +8% quality or whatever on it

[dark sequoia]

I can't wait for foulborn ghostwrithe to get nerfed to 10% next league

[hexed mountain]

withering step :^)

[onyx adder]

Ppl are still gonna league start slams

[junior otter]

Well yeah

[onyx adder]

Slams are still gonna be top tier

[finite quail]

I'm gonna leaguestart a strike witch...

[hexed mountain]

corrupt withering step for 23 qual and the 8% gives you +1 wither

[onyx adder]

Nerf to overexert was fine

[finite quail]

I'll need a templar mule at the start for glacial hammer for my witch

[full kraken]

I feel like ggg has been systemically nerfing any gem that has fun quality effect for the past several leagues

[crystal talon]

Mayhaps a bit less earthshitter spam 🙏

[full kraken]

afaik very very few remain now

[junior otter]

Idk unless you have 100% uptime on 4 exerts its kinda poo

[hexed mountain]

i think the exceptional gem's value will also depend a lot on their level 4-5-6 scaling with + levels

[onyx adder]

Thats as much to do with the direct nerf to earthshatter

[full kraken]

ever since they nuked alt quality gems they seem to now have a stance that gem quality should be very boring and barely matter

[junior otter]

3 I guess actually

[crystal talon]

You play zerker and you do

[full kraken]

and any gem that encourages you to stick enhance support on it deserves to be nuked from orbit, how dare enhance support have fun uses

[hexed mountain]

i think EB and withering step are the only ones i used enhance on

[onyx adder]

At 3 exerts its still ur best support gem

[full kraken]

EB got its quality effect nuked now as well no?

[junior otter]

Yeah but then I have to play zerker sweep and I'll die

[onyx adder]

At 2 exerts its still in ur top 5 support links

[hexed mountain]

yeah EB got nuked

[full kraken]

phase run still worth putting enhance on iirc

[onyx adder]

So yea nerf was entirely fine

[full kraken]

for runner builds

[crystal talon]

Sweep isn't a slam. Bad skill yup

[hexed mountain]

sigil is ok with it too

[junior otter]

Seismic being slam only is dumb

[full kraken]

honestly I think another source of pain was Ashes of the stars... existing

[hexed mountain]

and frost shield if you bonechill

[junior otter]

Fist of war makes sense but seismic, nah

[crystal talon]

Real. Lemme seismic exert ele hit

A O E

[hexed mountain]

lemme exert spells

be an angy caster

[junior otter]

I'm still gonna sweep im just starting to wonder if the exert play style is the wrong choice for it

At least long term

Early I'm sure it's still the best

[hexed mountain]

i'm SO ready for holy strike to be hilarious damage early on

with guardian's tree start

[crystal talon]

Exert sweep is fine, but only on zerker

[hoary scarab]

im so ready for holy strike to absolutely melt bosses later on

[junior otter]

Zerker squishy tho

[hoary scarab]

cause like 4k DE seems kinda dumb

[crystal talon]

Zerker is not squishy

[hexed mountain]

only issue is that if holy strike itself is OP necro probably obliterates guardian in scaling

[crystal talon]

Zerker tanky

[junior otter]

No defence or recovery in the ascendancy tho

[hexed mountain]

because of attack speed and helm

[crystal talon]

You get those things not on ascendency

[hoary scarab]

holy strike scion login

[hexed mountain]

to make your minions have the same crit as y... oh wait

[eager herald]

4K DE? Is that with all hammers overlapping?

[soft perch]

genuine question

why the fuck would you play holy sweep when you can play holy hammers

[stark badger]

on scion, you can make your minions have the exact same crit as you, three times!

[finite quail]

because both are cool

[soft perch]

holy hammers is way cooler

[hoary scarab]

they seem to be using holy strike, so yeah

[soft perch]

the other one is sweep

[hoary scarab]

sweep > hammers

[eager herald]

Oh nice

[onyx adder]

Does it really matter which shockwave delivery mechanism i choose

[soft perch]

sweep has been in the game for over 10 years

[hoary scarab]

but its holy now

[soft perch]

aint none of you fuckers ever played it

and now ur gonna play it now its yellow

[crystal talon]

Larp or your name is HegemonyTV

[onyx adder]

Ive played sweep

In ruthless no less

[soft perch]

i dont doubt that

[hoary scarab]

ive played sweep

[soft perch]

youre weird

[hoary scarab]

it wasnt good but i played it

[soft perch]

you play poe2 it makes sense

[onyx adder]

During beta testing for it when uncut gems didnt exist

[final owl]

isn't sweep "new" though, like they rejigged the actual skill?

[finite quail]

no

the animation is the same

[soft perch]

not really

[hoary scarab]

they made it fancy and thats it

[hexed mountain]

reworked and they put a color swap to make it holy

[finite quail]

they gave it new effects

[soft perch]

it drops a hammer if it hits something

[hoary scarab]

sweep has more single target than holy hammers tho

[soft perch]

true it has 5642 de

[stark badger]

it drops hammers and some people are coping they are going to get 3 hammer overlaps on a single target somehow

[crystal talon]

Sweep was goated back in like 0.9

[hexed mountain]

best DE of ALL TIME

[soft perch]

holy hammer i think comfortably double hits with the second hammer

[hexed mountain]

[onyx adder]

💀

[elfin shale]

oh so thats what high trauma looks like

[soft perch]

visually it looks like it overlaps

quite easily

in reality, idk

[hoary scarab]

i mean, even without any overlaps its better than 2 overlap holy hammers

[onyx adder]

Theyre about the same

[hexed mountain]

the good bonus of sweep is mainly that for clear if you juice you get more damage

[onyx adder]

Hammers costs a power charge

[soft perch]

we're just lying

[stark badger]

high trauma is ez damage, the builds become about not killing yourself with it after a certain point

[onyx adder]

And is faster

[elfin shale]

God bless jugg/divine shield

[stark badger]

getting killed by acceleration shrine is fun

[hexed mountain]

if only there was an easy way to get marylene early i'd totally try a trans GH start

such a fun skill

[soft perch]

marylene is common enough

[hexed mountain]

its T3

[junior otter]

Hammer lives and dies on its overlap potential and it didn't look that good in the previews

[onyx adder]

God damn every time i think maybe its sweepin time

[soft perch]

oh youre an ssf andrew

i forgot

[onyx adder]

I look at its attack speed

Wtf is 0.7

[full kraken]

I gotta admit, hammer skill's clear looks hella juicy

[soft perch]

cank how the fuck are you always wrong

[junior otter]

It's BARELY better than sweep if you get an overlap

[elfin shale]

you'll slam and you'll like it

[soft perch]

wdym it didnt look good in the previews

[hexed mountain]

like i will have a few for second build

[soft perch]

what the fuck are you talking about

[hexed mountain]

but first build wont have it for maven

[hoary scarab]

2 overlap holy hammer is like 660 DE, normal sweep is like 726

[zenith citrus]

Everyone has a different definition of "good"

[atomic crane]

Sweep >>

[full kraken]

yall think hammer will basically necessitate worm flask

[onyx adder]

0.7 swings are measured in geological time

Holy

[hoary scarab]

imma ignore attack speed cause i want to

[final owl]

worm blaster league

[full kraken]

Im curious how holy sweep + worm flask will interact

[junior otter]

It looks like you get one overlap and thats it except on gigantic enemies like maven true form and arakaali

[soft perch]

did u forget the 20% more damage with a power charge

[hoary scarab]

ew

conditionals

[soft perch]

'holy hammers didnt look good in the preview' - cank

yes bro

small aoe

[hexed mountain]

its funny that KF has like 3 times the DE of slam skills

[hoary scarab]

nah holy hammer is hella solid for clear

[junior otter]

I said overlap lil bro

[onyx adder]

One overlap is ok i just object to it having the ice crash problem

That being it doesnt do any fuckin damage on the edges

[full kraken]

not much overlap tbh, cank is right

[fading tapir]

Any reason I shouldnt play totem holy hammers with dawnstrider?

[hoary scarab]

one overlap can be expected, might be a bit harder for maven or other small mobs, but not a big problem

[onyx adder]

So it looks cool but u still need to shove ur nose up rare mob asshole to kill it

[full kraken]

though... the way the overlap works, itd be based on monster density wouldnt it

[soft perch]

judging by the visual ring expanding, i dont think its too bad

[hexed mountain]

do totem generate charges for themselves with romira?

[full kraken]

Hammer should work the way Vaal Ice Nova works right?