1┃general

[karmic gust]

even though all i takes is to nerf enkindlings

[hexed mountain]

Because it would have dropped to 0.4 usage

[worthy cave]

errr

she doesn't need a rework

[opaque sphinx]

dont think it was just MB

[worthy cave]

she needs several of her nodes to function

[charred hornet]

20% smth less dmg on resistance flask...i remember

[opaque sphinx]

pre last flask nerf PF was unkillable

[hexed mountain]

Make divine shrine unable to spawn on it, then add 50% less shrine effect

[granite nexus]

The more i think about this guardian hallowed gen cry idea the more i like it

[tough cove]

if mamba got nuked pf would have one build pconc, which also got nerfed

[opaque sphinx]

now its just stupid tanky

[worthy cave]

Right now, three of her nodes just do fuckall

Master distiller: actually non-functional and actively detrimental

[noble sleet]

That’s already confirmed to not be on it lol. That one is obvious

[lethal berry]

they already said divine shrine won't roll on it lmao

[charred hornet]

50% of 10% mana regen of max mana is 5%...it still busted

And divine shrine wont ever roll on it

[karmic gust]

the suffixes were 100% just mb

on magics

[hexed mountain]

I meant diamond shrine

[worthy cave]

Nature's boon: actually weaker than your 4 minor bonuses

[opaque sphinx]

suffixes for sure

[hexed mountain]

Idk why i always switch up their names

The crit one

[worthy cave]

Master alchemist: entirely redundant

[opaque sphinx]

res flask changes tho

[zealous pebble]

Putting reduced effect of shrines on the belt is the same as nerfing the shrines just doesn't make it global

[tough cove]

Like PConc, Mamba, and PBOD made up almost all of the PF population

[lethal berry]

diamond shrine is just "you always crit" it doesn't change your crit chance, so shrine affect does nothing to it

[worthy cave]

Like here's your Pathfinder "rework"

[hexed mountain]

Thats why i said make it unable to roll

[worthy cave]

30% inc. magic utility flask buff -> 40% global, flask effect applies to max life at 50%

[opaque sphinx]

pf doesn't remotely need a rework what

[noble sleet]

90% max res from this belt sounds so op asf. That’s most of the hard work done for you lol. It’s like 90%… that’s insane just from the belt doing this

[lethal berry]

it's not even the strongest offensive shrine lmao

[opal ingot]

Ikr lol

[worthy cave]

50% chance to not consume flask charges -> flasks use 20 charges instead of stated value, last for 8 seconds instead of stated value. Removes ele ailments -> removes all debuffs when you use a flask.

[hexed mountain]

If we put 50 less shrine effect on belt it is

[tough cove]

It doesnt now, but it would have essentially been a dead ascendancy if low tolerance and mamba changes went through as originally written up

[worthy cave]

Master distiller: resistances granted by flasks apply to nearby enemies at 40% rate

there, Pathfinder now has a full suite of functional nodes

[opaque sphinx]

hard no

[lethal berry]

crit cap is so easy, you're trolling if you think its even needed on anything outside of fishing rod builds

[worthy cave]

Problem is that one of her FLASK branches just doesn't f'ing work

[tough cove]

Hard yes, since PBOD ALSO got hard nerfed too and those 3 made up 90% of all PF builds

[worthy cave]

Because who gives a shit about 30% inc. effect on 3 magic flasks?>

[opaque sphinx]

PF is like assa, early game its by far one of the strongest classes there is and does shit on such a low budget that other classes can't dream of

[noble sleet]

Well Irs only Tuesday, I guess I’ll complain more later if they nerf the other shrines. My fear is tht all the shrines will get nerfed or not roll at all

[tough cove]

on an ascendany that only had a 5% play rate

[opal ingot]

What about fishing rods? Is it because the crit nodes in the tree are usually tied to a weapon base?

[worthy cave]

Again, what does that have to do with 3 of her 7 nodes being garbage?

[tough cove]

Yes and the reason it could do that on a low budget is because mamba and pconc exist

[karmic gust]

nah early PF is pretty garbage

[opaque sphinx]

bro pretty much every ascendancy has 3-4 dead nodes

[hexed mountain]

Tell me you never played angler or fishing rod without telling me.

It enables marylene, controlled destruction and makes heralds anf explosions crit. Its vastly different from being normal crit capped its not even comparable.

[karmic gust]

its like mid level investment

where PF shines

[final owl]

Update - After much consideration, we have removed the shrine belt, and shrines from the game.

[worthy cave]

Elementalist would like a word.

[tough cove]

Elementalist and Slayer

[karmic gust]

but before you have decent flasks going PF is really bad

[tough cove]

Juggernaut too

[worthy cave]

And it isn't about how many dead nodes you have

[opaque sphinx]

that word is "bring back my golems cuz they are dead"

[tough cove]

Deadeye

[worthy cave]

That's BS

Lolcohol POB'd it

it's a small nerf

[molten hazel]

chat is wilding today

[worthy cave]

it gets bigger if you just stack primordial bonds

[opaque sphinx]

oh wow cuz we know just how good of a build maker lolcohol is

[lethal berry]

wanting them to nerf a shrine for all of like 3 builds is comical

[worthy cave]

you go from 130 base inc. golem buff to 80

[final owl]

yeah the hit to elementalist really doesn't look that bad in pob

[opaque sphinx]

you mean the one thing that made it fuckin good

[worthy cave]

b/c you pick up golem commander

[tough cove]

Oh noes the 15% play rate ascendancy got a small nerf

[worthy cave]

WTF are you talking about? So many ele nodes are great

shaper of storms + static blows is amazing

[opaque sphinx]

"its only a small nerf if you don't use the thing that got nerfed guys"

[karmic gust]

ele still has really broken nodes yea

[hexed mountain]

You are just ragebaiting now. 90% of builds play crit and would turboscale off a divine shrine and marylene

[karmic gust]

and you still use golems anyway

[worthy cave]

mastermind of discord + heart of destruction is great

[karmic gust]

but shaper of flames is still turbo broken

the chill and shock node also

[worthy cave]

and heart of destruction is her least picked node

[proud gorge]

oh hey, I just realized

[opaque sphinx]

cuz its mid

[worthy cave]

the cihll node is pretty meh

[proud gorge]

zoo get a lot out of that one support, but you know what else is a funny build

[worthy cave]

no, it's b/c she picks up other stuff

[karmic gust]

nah the chill node is really good

[worthy cave]

like if you go golems + shaper of storms + aegis

[karmic gust]

people just dont like clicking it

[proud gorge]

Flame Golems

[karmic gust]

but its insane

[worthy cave]

you just can't get enough points for heart

[hexed mountain]

Elementalist beats half the classes in damage with just 65% base shock anf 25 reduced res exposure

[noble sleet]

Here’s what I say with diamond shrine. Instead of all hits are crits, you get 75% increased crit chance, would yall be happy? Lol

[worthy cave]

kick rocks

[tough cove]

people dont click heart of destruction because the ASCENDANCY HAS BETTER OPTIONS

[opaque sphinx]

thats literally dogshit

[karmic gust]

yea pure damage 4 pointer node is least of your worries there

[worthy cave]

I mean you know how much I'd kill for the heart of destruction route on pathfinder?

[noble sleet]

But ohh no it’s “balanced” like how you wanted right lol. Look well up to 100%

[opaque sphinx]

brother do u know how little crit 75% inc is

[worthy cave]

If you put heart of destruction route on pathfinder, she'd have so many options

[final owl]

75% increased is an absolutely massive nerf compared to everything crits. that makes it worthless for herald chaining

[hexed mountain]

Me watching elementalist scale better than guardian even for minions because 65 shock and 25 reduced lightning res

[proud gorge]

do you mean +75% crit chance?

[opaque sphinx]

balanced means balanced not useless

[proud gorge]

because that would probably be pretty good actually

[noble sleet]

Lmao

I said increased on purpose lol.

[proud gorge]

75% increased crit is pretty worthless, that's, like, 3% crit chance in most cases

[opaque sphinx]

u went from "100% crit" to 7% crit chance and act like its a small nerf

[lethal berry]

who knew one belt would cause this many arguments

[opaque sphinx]

and remotely close to what i was saying

[finite quail]

astrolabes

[lethal berry]

reading comprehension: 0

[hexed mountain]

Nerfing shrines rather than the belt stays a dumb option

[proud gorge]

also I think the belt is fine

[opaque sphinx]

seems fine to me, shrines have been dummy strong for a while

[proud gorge]

it doesn't really need to be nerfed

[hexed mountain]

Shrined are fun

[finite quail]

shrines astrolabe

🧌

[worthy cave]

odds are, theyr'e going to drop acceleration and echoing shrines entirely

just as they dropped divine

[charred hornet]

Its fine go nerf lol....my taeget shrine already nerfed so its fine they nerf more so less build want them

[lethal berry]

that leaves like 2 offensive shrines total

[worthy cave]

+100% increased action speed is so completely out of this world absurd

[hexed mountain]

And shrines arent an option on the hardest content

[opaque sphinx]

lesser action speed shrine would be ok

[worthy cave]

that leaves: gloom and the 3 crappy elemental ones, and all crits

[opal ingot]

I don't think divine shrine is comparable

[hexed mountain]

Its just a fun little bonus while mapping

[noble sleet]

I guess cause I brought it up lol. For me i haven’t been this hyped for a unique in a while (not talking exclusively about Poe 1) and I gotta be honest… I just wanna see this kick Mageblood and head hunter’s ass to the ground lol. They would NEVER bring this to Poe 2 lol

[tough cove]

Shrines big issue was how absolutely annoying they were to try to click

[proud gorge]

the strongest possible variation is generically powerful but also ridiculously rare and expensive, so only really the most ridiculously endgame builds will include it. Unlike Mageblood, which most builds assume you have by a few weeks in, nobody's going to write a build guide assuming you're running Resistance + Echoing shrine or something.

[tough cove]

(and how lethal some of them were if you couldnt click them too)

[hexed mountain]

Should just give you the shrine if you pass within 3m ngl

[lethal berry]

ain't no way gloom is allowed on that belt

[final owl]

man shrines gave me the shits in that way

[proud gorge]

And a lot of the less generically powerful options are just really interesting

[worthy cave]

Again, pathfinder would absolutely destroy both belts with tides IF her master alchemist route wasn't trash

[brisk prairie]

hey ggg change accel shrine to give.... 50% inc attack speed, cast speed, move speed

[worthy cave]

Again, instead of 30% inc. effect of magic utility flasks, it was "40% inc. effect of ALL flasks"

and then master alchemist let you sustain any flasks by overriding their duration and charge consumption

[opaque sphinx]

how the fuck is master alch supposedly trash what

[opal ingot]

Please no

[tough cove]

like no ones even talking about gloom shrine either

[opaque sphinx]

thats one of the wildest takes NA

[lethal berry]

ilya might be the biggest pf stan of all time

[worthy cave]

are you kidding me?

[gilded pecan]

where tf did all my stash items go ?!?!?!??!

[worthy cave]

It's an absolutely redundant node

[opaque sphinx]

????????????

[noble sleet]

Why do they do this to us..

[worthy cave]

if you can't sustain flasks in hideout, you can't sustain them

[lethal berry]

click the stash option thing and turn on remove only tabs

[worthy cave]

and master alchemist won't help

[tough cove]

40% all flasks would be absolutely busted

[charred hornet]

Pls nerf the srhine ggg....i want less people use it

[opaque sphinx]

...what?

[worthy cave]

It's 30% magic flasks now

and it's horriblke

[proud gorge]

I think it's fine to have a really good generic power belt that's also wildly inaccessible, because no build will ever assume you have one, so it's fine to exist, especially since it has a wide number of "less powerful" variants that are nonetheless good but also weird and interesting

[noble sleet]

Kira’s losing it lol

[worthy cave]

sorry, magic utiltiy flasks

[opaque sphinx]

50% chance to not consume is absolutely busted

[lethal berry]

let's jusre remove shrines entirely

[proud gorge]

and fit on specific builds

[worthy cave]

you're calling 40% all flasks busted when 30% to magic utility is trash?

[noble sleet]

Don’t we like busted in Poe 1?

[opaque sphinx]

its not trash??

[gilded pecan]

thanks man that fucked me up so good

[worthy cave]

It is hot garbage!

[opaque sphinx]

no ?

[karmic gust]

50% chance to not consume would be good if there were good hard to sustain flasks

[worthy cave]

Do some basic arithmetic

[tough cove]

because theres several absolutely broken unique flasks

[worthy cave]

Dying Sun

[karmic gust]

but the magic flask effect is completely garbage

[worthy cave]

but it doesn't help there

[haughty bloom]

lol

[karmic gust]

as pf you have like 2 magic flasks

there is no point for going for more

maybe 3

[opaque sphinx]

main every other class has to use traitor and bullshit to sustain flasks

[soft perch]

im not super familiar with gen cry

[final owl]

it either has to be absurdly strong and very hard to obtain chase item, or it's broadly available and is more about enabling interesting build variations rather than giving straight up power imo

[hardy heron]

Migration to Standard. Stash options should let you show remove-only tabs. All your old stuff will be in those

[steady elk]

on my way to play bleed slams for the 20th time

[soft perch]

if my attack rate is lower than my gen cry cd, isnt gen cry cd useless?

[karmic gust]

50% chance to not consume do not enables any of the good unique flasks

[worthy cave]

So put on a mageblood, god forbid our ascendancy works lmfao

[charred hornet]

The belt already removed for some people already because shrine nerf lol

[steady elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pathofexile-radiology-gif-27219962

[karmic gust]

is my point

[worthy cave]

or put on a tides

[karmic gust]

look at vinktars

that is hard to sustain unique flask

its complete dogshit

[worthy cave]

dying sun

[opaque sphinx]

it doesnt need to be for unique flasks just general ones?

[haughty bloom]

its ragebait hour

[karmic gust]

dying sun is semi hard to sustain, its decent

[soft perch]

level 1 cruelty for 2 ascendancy points is a nonzero buff as well

if ur 2h

[worthy cave]

It's impossible to ssutain

[karmic gust]

well general ones arent good enough either

[tough cove]

40% all though would be busted the second you got progen

[steady elk]

lfggggggggg

[worthy cave]

even WITH master alch

because if you drain the whole flask

[karmic gust]

40% all would be busted for sure

[worthy cave]

you're not recharging it

[karmic gust]

but 15% all would be good

instead of 30% magic

[opaque sphinx]

yeah i hard disagree with that, especially early league

[worthy cave]

15% all is stupid

it's a non-node

[opaque sphinx]

flasks can fill so many holesk when u cant afford gear

[karmic gust]

noone is clicking that 4 pointer early league on PF

[hardy heron]

This is so fucking funny to watch

[karmic gust]

thats completely nuts

lol

[opaque sphinx]

why would u not

[lethal berry]

who's ready for an entire day's teaser for a single skill gem

[worthy cave]

Kira, how many PF builds have you played that aren't mamba or bouncy?

[karmic gust]

do you just not click any damage or skip the atual flask sustain nodes

[modern zinc]

I'm so eager to play the new league

I want to try out Death's Oath

[karmic gust]

this is the bad flask stuff

[opaque sphinx]

literally never played either of those and i've played pf many times

[cobalt blade]

bring back reduced dmg taken flasks

:p

[karmic gust]

this is the good flask stuff

you cant just click all 4

and not click anyhing else

that doesnt work

and it does also nothing useful

TR can click the magic flask effect because theres nothing else to click

not because it wants to

but thats about it

[karmic gust]

poor wise oak

[cobalt blade]

personally dislike the playstyle of surgeon so click natures boon over it when playing pf but i know its objectively wrong lol

[worthy cave]

Like...can we get some of elementalist's nodes on PF conditional on using a flask?

[cobalt blade]

just really hate clicking the life flask

[worthy cave]

So macro it.

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[karmic gust]

yea as long as you are aware its fine

[cobalt blade]

no

dont particularly like breaking tos just to play an ascend

[worthy cave]

I mean if GGG won't provide us instilling orbs for life flask to use at end of flask effect

[haughty bloom]

can make it drink it on taking a savage hit

[worthy cave]

People were using popsicle sticks and they gave us MB

[crisp obsidian]

Wowwo against ToS

[tough cove]

you get in a habit after a while

[crisp obsidian]

Calm down there buddy

[karmic gust]

illegal!

[cobalt blade]

life flasks cant be instilled

[tough cove]

i have to force myself to stop the manual piano on healing flask for like a month after i stop playing a pathfinder

[karmic gust]

savage hit works only with the uuh

quartz

[worthy cave]

Well, they can be instilled to use at end of flask effect 😉

[karmic gust]

whats its name

its fun tech at least

[worthy cave]

forbidden taste?

[karmic gust]

yes

[cobalt blade]

yeah it can be used with the funy full restore one

[haughty bloom]

oh I use forbidden taste as my life flask so I just add savage hit to it

[cobalt blade]

lmao

based

[worthy cave]

yeah and then the % inc flask effect makes you take more chaos damae

[haughty bloom]

good

[potent bramble]

Ngl there have been times when I'll reach maps and still just have the starter small life/mana flasks and the one quicksilver flask, and nothing else for flasks

[haughty bloom]

I want to take more chaos damage

[cobalt blade]

ci supreme decadence

[potent bramble]

B/c I just can't be bothered to click the buttons lol

[karmic gust]

yea i was clicking life flask even when playing assassin :d

on timer

its a curse

[cobalt blade]

i only have the habit of clicking 1 at the start of every map from playing loopers lmao

i cant get a habit of doing it constantly

[haughty bloom]

whyd you stop playing loopers

[cobalt blade]

nerfed too much

[haughty bloom]

its looper meta sabo got 50% cdr

[karmic gust]

we got cast on ward broken now

[cobalt blade]

anom minion speed loss killed it for me

[karmic gust]

surely thats good

[cobalt blade]

yeah im hoping its good

[karmic gust]

looper with more than 10k phys max hit

[cobalt blade]

specifically my hope is they gave it the MFA treatment

1% more dmg per 1 ward broken

[worthy cave]

is there a way to break your own ward?

Heartbound loop, rihgt

[karmic gust]

self damage yea

[opaque sphinx]

Poison blade trap
Spark
evasionstack
budget armourstack
Poison exsang
are the PF builds i played

had to go back and look

oh and tshot

[cobalt blade]

restore 5% on hit b eing the olroth bloodline

[worthy cave]

and how do any of those need either 30% inc magic utility of 50% chance not to use?

[cobalt blade]

as my idea for it

[lethal berry]

what the fuck is that font

[cobalt blade]

trauma support for self hit

[haughty bloom]

looping with lifestacker > wardstacker

[cobalt blade]

terraria font andybold

[karmic gust]

would you even bother with ward stacking there tho

[opaque sphinx]

evasion/armour are scaled by the flasks

[karmic gust]

what if you just get like 1 ward iteema nd just break it

like now you are allowed to build real defenses

[cobalt blade]

if it has what i hope of 1% more per 1 ward broken yes

[karmic gust]

so no need for olroth flask

[cobalt blade]

but i dont think it will

[proud gorge]

anyways, Golems. So Hordes gives a base 3 Flame Golems, 2 from Foulborn Midnight Bargain, 2 from Elementalist, 1 from Golem Commander, 1 from Anima Stone. We ignore Primordial Chain. That gives 9 Flame Golems. If you equipped a second Midnight Bargain, you could get up to 11 golems, but that's a bit silly.

Then you add in Dark Monarch and the new minion limit support gem. With a level 3 support gem, either way you apply the limit, you end up with 24 total Flame Golems. A level 4 support gem would presumably let you hit 25, depending on what number it reaches.

[opaque sphinx]

the rest relied on flasks for defense

[karmic gust]

dont think it ven needs to ngl

[haughty bloom]

I got to like 52k phys max hit on my looper for keepers

[karmic gust]

it just needs reasonable cooldown

and it will be very very good

[proud gorge]

With double Midnight Bargain you could have 30 golems, but again, that's quite silly

[gritty epoch]

25 golems 👀

[cobalt blade]

idk

[proud gorge]

don't run double midnight bargain

[cobalt blade]

cool down wise i dont think you can restore it fast enough

like thats the best you can do

[karmic gust]

well you just do firestorm and other shit right

[cobalt blade]

which i guess maybe it sustains itself if you do like 4 proj skills

butidk

[blazing nymph]

Cast 20 proj, all good

[karmic gust]

alternatively

mothers embrace iron flask

[soft perch]

after pobbing gen cry for a bit

[karmic gust]

for mapping

[soft perch]

gen cry is pretty cosmetic

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[soft perch]

its like, mostly cyclone and shockwave doing the damage

[worthy cave]

is there any way to juice that?

[cobalt blade]

i wanted to run shrine belt like any sane person :D

[soft perch]

and then gen cry is like 40% more

[worthy cave]

like to 7% or 8%?

[cobalt blade]

no

[worthy cave]

😭

so you need to attack like a madman

I.E. superfast tornado shot or something

[cobalt blade]

ye lancing steel of spraying axe+trauma support

for self dmg

[worthy cave]

and then where do you even get ward from?

[opaque sphinx]

so ward shatter but good

[worthy cave]

Ynda's stand has a massive opportunity cost

b/c BELT

[cobalt blade]

probably just your hat or ynda's for ward if it has % more per thing ignore shrine belt

[modern zinc]

nice

[proud gorge]

the theoretical maximum golems is 38, or 39 if the level 4 gem hits 40%

[worthy cave]

too much ward lmao

[cobalt blade]

if it has no mult based on scaling you go shrine belt for sure tho

[worthy cave]

needs a nightgrip XD

[cobalt blade]

take into account int nerf

[opaque sphinx]

thats with antiq

[proud gorge]

but that requires you to have not just double midnight bargain but also Primordial Chain

[worthy cave]

oh

[cobalt blade]

destroys your faithguard

[proud gorge]

which nerfs your golems quite heavily

[cobalt blade]

oh fair then non faithguard for 60k is crazy

[opaque sphinx]

its faith

just not int

https://pobb.in/i-zInCnVVMML

[cobalt blade]

ahhh

[opaque sphinx]

was as far as i got fuckin around with the pob

[proud gorge]

25 full strength golems is definitely better than 39 primordial chain weakened golems

[opaque sphinx]

before i got bored

[cobalt blade]

oh ye foulborn heup exists

that do makes iteasier

greyspire would be unuseable tho for this stuff

[proud gorge]

but I guess you could build a 39 golem elementalist just for the sake of doing it

[cobalt blade]

need some form of self hit to start the loop/restart it when it drops between packs

and i think the only way to make that semi viable is olroth bloodline+spraying

[opaque sphinx]

yeh i didn't wanna deal with the selfhit/restore/timing the restore and self hit to be just after shatter cd

is what made me quit on it

[cobalt blade]

ye thats fair enough for shatter

i do hope the fuckin cast on ward break has good numbers

[tight plinth]

where can i see new atlas tree?

[cobalt blade]

as a json file https://github.com/grindinggear/atlastree-export/releases

have fun

[tight plinth]

no idea how that works

[cobalt blade]

you just open it and read it :p

its technically human readable ctrl f for breach

[haughty bloom]

poe ninja has one soon for sure

[brittle portal]

POB question... Loading some builds but I keep getting for many unique items (like Mageblood) "that item is not supported in POB yet.". Is there something bugged with POB atm or am I doing something wrong?

[full fossil]

chat i think connor is having a stroke..

https://www.twitch.tv/onemanaleft/clip/CrypticBovineDogPraiseIt-GqbDI3uCzafNezGI

[cobalt blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTMSmErqqtM

ggg themself do videos for every portal :p

[rancid sluice]

im not getting off the couch for 1 div

[fluid stratus]

I know, but I want to see it ingame. It is always different ingame and in the video 😛

[opaque sphinx]

prob foulborn

[cobalt blade]

thats justbloom

[full fossil]

1 div in standard is like 1/2000th of a mirror 💀

[cobalt blade]

but fair

[tight plinth]

that sounds like rmt

[full fossil]

i love rmt {real mexican tacos}

[noble sleet]

Mods

[full fossil]

you dont like taco?

[rancid sluice]

its one of the best portals imo but im atlantis biased

[proud gorge]

Foulborn Mageblood is in the game, I assume you mean a mod shows up in red and says "Not supported in PoB yet"?

[haughty bloom]

I got a jellyfish portal from a free box forever ago and that portal is quite solid

[proud gorge]

The thing is, most of the mods that shows up on just aren't ever going to be implemented, because its for mods that have highly variable effects, or don't really make sense in a build calculator like PoB

[brittle portal]

Yes. Regular mageblood won't work for me in POB (along with many other unique effects). Haven't had this issue before.

[lethal berry]

some unique mods just aren't coded in PoB

[opaque sphinx]

just add the mb in manually ?

[proud gorge]

does it looks like this? Because those two mods that aren't implemented don't actually work

[proud gorge]

or does the item's primary function not work

[lethal berry]

generally if it's still red, it's just not even needed for pob to function

[tranquil umbra]

dawg just turn the flask on manually in pob

you can do that

[lethal berry]

if its mageblood u don't even need to do that

[brittle portal]

Yeah, it looks like that... And then if I had something like fire/cold/lightning resist flasks in my items, it will not give the added effect from them

It just bricks everything. It's worked in previous leagues.

[lethal berry]

send the pob

[opaque sphinx]

have u tried relaunching pob

[proud gorge]

if you have mageblood equipped, it automatically applies the magic utility flask effects regardless of if the box is checked or not

are you sure it's not giving the effect correctly?

also they do have to be specifically magic utility flasks

normal ones won't work

[brittle portal]

I was looking at goratha's shock nova build on YT. Here's the POB: https://pobb.in/-L7O3SrhKNxt

[tight plinth]

this dont got a mageblood?

[lethal berry]

all the flasks are working in that.

[cobalt blade]

its working properly?

[brittle portal]

Haven't looked at builds since 3.27 and loaded this one and another in and was noticing the build was bricked or something... That's when I noticed uniques and a few other things weren't working for me

[full kraken]

whats the fastest way to bootstrap up a betrayal board at league start? Just spam maps and spec into it asap so they start spawning?

[tight plinth]

works for me

[cobalt blade]

can see the topaz bringing it to 90 max

[proud gorge]

what's it look like for you, with all settings toggled to "End Game Super Tanky Setup"

like, no resists?

[hard cliff]

This looks very cool for a 2nd build

may I save this ?

[onyx adder]

So what sexy shockwave builds have we cooked up in the last four hours

[cobalt blade]

yeah its working

[onyx adder]

Nothing? Y'all are boring im going to have to go pob toads again

[proud gorge]

yeah, it's working, all the resists are capped and such

that's what it's supposed to look like

[gritty epoch]

Ok I read greater spell echo support and is now convinced

[cobalt blade]

the reason it looks weird isbecause goratha has this in the custom mods to ignore putting suffixes on the basic ass setups

[ornate garden]

anyone's PoB stuck updating like this?

[brittle portal]

Okay, guess that might have been what was confusing me

[hexed mountain]

Reminder toads got 400% DE. Unlike sweep which has 5456% DE

[tight plinth]

is so annoying putting in resists 1 by 1

[cobalt blade]

ya i do the same

[brittle portal]

Also, I thought you had to click the flasks even with mageblood to have them active

[cobalt blade]

[brittle portal]

But maybe you don't have to, haha

[cobalt blade]

not for the past few leagues

pob just made the mod enable them

[proud gorge]

nah, having Mageblood equipped makes the flasks automatically count as active

[cobalt blade]

why its in blue

[brittle portal]

Ah okay, well thanks guys. Appreciate the help. GL with league start!

[tight plinth]

also people following do be stupid sometimes, tryingto get the exact same resists on the exact same gear

[cobalt blade]

yaaaa

[proud gorge]

yeah...

[cobalt blade]

glad i dont make pobs for the masses

[onyx adder]

Ok but shockwave has 500 DE and it shotguns worms 4 times and u get to do it 3 times a second with cdr

Thats like 6000 DE right

[proud gorge]

always tragic when a streamer posts a build guide that uses a Timeless Jewel

[lethal berry]

i've seen people follow a build guide that didn't have res on gear and then the followers don't get res on their gear

[soft perch]

nothing i just disappointed myself with how cosmetic generals cry seems to be

[hexed mountain]

Shockwave OP

[lethal berry]

literally running around with 15% res wondering why they're dying

[full kraken]

helps with steering pob to suggest actual options that boost EHP instead of "yo but what about resists tho" as your top 100 results

[zealous flax]

ive looked at almost 10 leaguestarters and got NO idea

[cobalt blade]

oh my god you just reminded me when people linked their pobs to fubgun

[onyx adder]

Everything is cosmetic we have shockwave and shockwave delivery systems

[zealous flax]

wtf im playing

[soft perch]

like even with warcry node generals cry is like 35% extra damage when using cyclone shockwave lol

[proud gorge]

and forgets to say 12 times "you don't need this specific timeless jewel, you can pick any timeless jewel with this name on it and one or more of this useful notable anywhere"

[cobalt blade]

and they were like lvl 90 with negative res

or res only from flasks

[soft perch]

ill pob a high budget shockwave setup at some point

[cobalt blade]

none on gear no mageblood

[lethal berry]

poe doesn't attract the brightest of minds at times

[cobalt blade]

it hurt so much to look at

[hexed mountain]

Holy strike

[soft perch]

i dont wanna play cyclone i wanna play holy hammers

[onyx adder]

This is the real 3.28 static strike

[zealous flax]

if i was gonna do holy it would be hammer

[tight plinth]

when community qna

[onyx adder]

GGG baiting us with trans gems and giving us the giga

[gritty epoch]

I had someone saying my pob is bad coz "resist isn't capped" while trying to help him

[proud gorge]

I'm gonna leaguestart ehit, then later I've got some other builds queued up

[hexed mountain]

Holy strike is holier

[zealous flax]

trans gems slay

[cobalt blade]

well yeah its just freeing up spending 10 min putting it on gear lol

[zealous flax]

https://tenor.com/view/paprikafume-slay-queen-yass-gif-23886483

[full kraken]

the real question is, why would you play holy hammer when you could play vaal smite instead tho, especially if you can double tap vaal smite now

[proud gorge]

I do want to play Triggerbots Jiquani Sabo again, depends if I can snag an ES on hit Life on hit watcher's eye early

[full kraken]

actually... with bloodline... just how much can we spam vaal smite now

[proud gorge]

it's playable without, it's just weird

[cobalt blade]

heartbound loop setup or coc

if its coc you can go synth rings life on hit early usually cheap

[onyx adder]

I have a great use for triggerbots

It involves toads

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry4-nero-punching-gif-26661061

[proud gorge]

CoC Soulrend of the Spiral to trigger Foulborn Kitava's Thirst

[full kraken]

Damnit... "Vaal non-aura skills" that actually wont work for vaal smite

[opal ingot]

i wonder if these people are 14 years old

[proud gorge]

which triggers a bunch of Blazing Salvo + Rolling Magma projectiles

[onyx adder]

Ppl just dont understand what table stakes are

[cobalt blade]

ye that on a rings not bad early on then

[finite quail]

Nacaaaa

[cobalt blade]

worse than eye but makes it more playable early

[onyx adder]

U get ppl mentioning that their character is res capped all the time

[cobalt blade]

meow

[onyx adder]

In here

[proud gorge]

nah it needs to be life on spell hit at least, though life on hit is better

[onyx adder]

Even people who should know better

[proud gorge]

but the only source of that is the watcher's eye mod

[finite quail]

patpatpat

[cobalt blade]

fair enough

[proud gorge]

you don't hit nearly often enough with the cyclone attack to regen enough life

[tight plinth]

what if, i 6link orb of storm, and have new shocknova to get giga procs

[onyx adder]

If u need life on spell hit the best easy source is influence ring

[proud gorge]

yeah

I used the Shaper ring last time

[soft perch]

this is actually valid tbh

[proud gorge]

it works, but it's a bit less consistent than I'd like

[soft perch]

youd probably want to trigger it though

as to how

idk lol

[proud gorge]

life on attack hit helps to get you past the initial breakpoint, but life on spell hit is what lets you actually sustain the life costs

[onyx adder]

Oos doesnt work with repeats

[proud gorge]

so having both from watcher's eye is optimal

[onyx adder]

U guys know that right

Thats why LC cant run spell echo

[soft perch]

sigh

[crystal talon]

:garf:

why mods evil

[proud gorge]

and life on spell hit is more important since its what lets you actually sustain

[soft perch]

no fun allowed

[crystal talon]

and not let me :garf:

[tight plinth]

ggg antifun

[cobalt blade]

Orb of Storms: Can now be supported by Spell Echo.

[onyx adder]

Ok that one was funny

I will not be mad

[proud gorge]

but having only life on spell hit does mean that sometimes the setup breaks itself

[finite quail]

ggg for fun

[cobalt blade]

[proud gorge]

due to not casting enough spells to sustain

[cobalt blade]

i haveno clue how its gonna work with echo but hey it can be supported now

[onyx adder]

Presumably u cast an oos and then u immediately overwrite it

[soft perch]

i guess im leaguestarting bleed sunder

[crystal talon]

WAIT

[onyx adder]

Due to oos limit

[crystal talon]

OP

[soft perch]

what a time to be alive

[onyx adder]

GGG allowing us to make bad decisions

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats what i assume too

[crystal talon]

Plume of Pursuit OOS

[onyx adder]

Best parent

[cobalt blade]

but its funny they allowed it

[crystal talon]

[proud gorge]

anyways here's what the build looks like, it's a very, uh, High Visual Fidelity build

a great build for visual clarity on bosses

[onyx adder]

Ur a fucking idiot

[tight plinth]

mines/traps attached to lightning spells proc oos?

[onyx adder]

But pob it

[crystal talon]

I think oos is just too low damage and you'd be better off with hydrosphere

[lethal berry]

can't wait for you to not see a dd explosion

[proud gorge]

I tried getting a better screenshot from the youtube video

[soft perch]

no

[proud gorge]

but every frame looks like that

[soft perch]

stormblast mines yes

[tight plinth]

i just wanna be a hipster

[soft perch]

but maybe yes actually idk maybe i have brain damage

idk anymore

[proud gorge]

the constant flashing and changing colors on screen is a codec destroyer

[onyx adder]

Yes that works. OOS stormblast mines is a good leveling setup, at least if u have been stuck in a cave since 2018

[soft perch]

maybe i should never comment on anything ever again

[crystal talon]

Actually no. OOS has okay damage

[proud gorge]

just destroys any quality, much like snow

[tight plinth]

" lightning to strike every 0.5 seconds. " nvm

[soft perch]

thats channelling

not use

they are seperate

[tight plinth]

ooooh we back

[onyx adder]

U should also get a single use proc when u start to channel

I never tried tho

[soft perch]

all the new shiny toys

[proud gorge]

I love how they completely destroy the video codec to the point where you can't even read the quest text in the top right

[soft perch]

and im leaguestarting bleed sunder into reave

[cobalt blade]

oos traps well you channel a skill

constantly replace it instant oos procs

[soft perch]

holy fuck i wrote toes

[tight plinth]

freudian slip

[karmic gust]

bleed reave

[lethal berry]

bro upgrade your gems

[onyx adder]

I can suggest a bleed delivery system for u

[haughty bloom]

no

[onyx adder]

Its got 454 DE

And stacks crimson dance in 4 seconds

[soft perch]

no

[haughty bloom]

they have to be low level

[onyx adder]

Minus CDR

[soft perch]

how about a bleed delivery system of

i press sunder

and when i get 10 divine

i swap into actual good build

[hexed mountain]

Is there even viable crimson dance builds?

[onyx adder]

The good build will have shockwave anyway

[soft perch]

i think all viable crimson dance builds use the gloves

[hexed mountain]

That scion could run with jack

[onyx adder]

May as well get stsrted

[full kraken]

yay, figured out how to get screen capture working such that it doesnt make my mouse stop counting as hovering, that was annoying. Now pob screencaps that include a hover work again ❤️

[karmic gust]

im starting miner i guess and doing exped or some shit

[runic vine]

Why settle for viable when you could achieve the possible

[karmic gust]

or somehting on assa and i respec to miner later

also works

[cobalt blade]

spark assassin

[karmic gust]

time for crema slinger that wtd praised so much

[cobalt blade]

pspark start surely doesnt go bad

[karmic gust]

surely

[hexed mountain]

Trickster pyro mine with frenzy first lab is probably the smoothest

[soft perch]

does static strike work with shockwave

lmao

[karmic gust]

yea

[simple stag]

Yuh

[soft perch]

lul

[hexed egret]

Holy hammers or holy sweep guys

[soft perch]

hammers

[hexed egret]

Hmmm

[full kraken]

Im thinking Im gonna go Delve+Betrayal, what would be a good gladiator build to handle that content?

I feel like I just slap on Azadi Crest and try out a mace and try out holy sweep and holy hammer and see what is more fun

[simple stag]

Penance mark with gathering lightning might be op if it chains to main target who knows

[rancid sluice]

how bad is pspark initial cost anyway? i know it aint cheap

[karmic gust]

it is cheap you are just squishy as shit

[hexed egret]

Man maces are shit, I really hope it's not that bad to get a decent stave while leveling

[cobalt blade]

its more the amount of stuff you have to take to make it playable

[rancid sluice]

hm really

[cobalt blade]

proj speed duration pierce leech

[full kraken]

honestly that lv 30 smite mace kind of slaps

[soft perch]

poison spark seems pretty ass without some gear

[karmic gust]

yea all the pathing

[cobalt blade]

and poison losses the leech

[soft perch]

spark just scales multiplicatively

[onyx adder]

I didnt praise it THAT much

Damage was good

It was the wrong build for breach tho since its got epic ramp

[tight plinth]

it looks like it does

[full kraken]

my main gripe with gladiator is its not really very close to mace nodes right

[cobalt blade]

basically your early damage is just ass until you get like 3 clusters

[soft perch]

it does yea

[karmic gust]

well plan is to just exped most likely anyway

[gritty epoch]

Frostmage support give higher % of reserved mana than archamge's unreserved mana

[hexed mountain]

Spark feels ass for a long time. If it doesnt kill mobs in one hit its awkward as f

[soft perch]

use an axe

[karmic gust]

should be fine there i think

[hexed egret]

What is that called? I was thinking of brain rattler for mapping

[karmic gust]

just want something chill to play for a while until i get the mana gears

[rancid sluice]

i think i looked at animeprincess last league and he was like 50d or something

[simple stag]

but no mana synergy since you're gonna have to pull from other sources to cast

[hexed egret]

I can't find this level 30 smite mace

[karmic gust]

i think fury valve cuts that price in half at least

[gritty epoch]

EB

[rancid sluice]

yeah that was a full blown endgame setup

[simple stag]

compare that to arcane cloak

[soft perch]

its sign of the sin eater

[hexed egret]

Wait does that even have damage

I don't remember that mace having any damage

[gritty epoch]

U get auras tho and can go LL petrified blood

[soft perch]

from the smite aura yea, it has atrocious attack speed tho

[karmic gust]

lvl 30 smite givesyou damage no, but idk wahts the plan there anyway

[cobalt blade]

its flat added for other skills

[soft perch]

i dont think its good

[onyx adder]

Thats because the only thing u do with that weapon is put it on ur AG

[soft perch]

youre better off using a frostbreath

[cobalt blade]

personally i think march of the legion is better than using that though

[onyx adder]

For ghetto ailment immune

[cobalt blade]

+5 smite empower the smite

and eclipse now if you have the att

[surreal musk]

what if you deactivate all your auras and manual cast arcane cloak then reactivate auras every few seconds

[soft perch]

do you hate yourself enough to do that

[tight plinth]

pass

[karmic gust]

why would you wat to do that anyway

[tight plinth]

more max mana i suppose

[surreal musk]

i am meme ing

[cobalt blade]

cloak dmg isnt rly worth it and you just need to be able to sustain indigon stacks off your recovery

[tight plinth]

i forgot how arcane works

[hexed egret]

I think brain rattler should be fine for mapping

[tight plinth]

for holy strike?

[hexed egret]

It's like 420 dps

[karmic gust]

also got even more max hits here, forgot to click the reduced damage taken mine mastery

[tight plinth]

frostbreath is giga cheap no?

[hexed egret]

I don't want to use 1h

[karmic gust]

now only if i could click my profile pic shield too

[tight plinth]

doubles the sentinel added damage too

[karmic gust]

sad

[finite quail]

Gyattttt

[dim sonnet]

Oh shit less than 3 days for the league and it didn't pick a starter yet

[finite quail]

What mine build is that

[cobalt blade]

void shockwave

[karmic gust]

mana miner

[soft perch]

at least i was right

[finite quail]

Damn

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125/sabo-mana-miner

[soft perch]

bleed reliquarian does actually look good

[karmic gust]

with the new ammy and stuff

[hexed egret]

What's the point when we change our plans right at twilight strand

[finite quail]

wtf mana miner thats not hierophant

[soft perch]

problem is u gotta kill zaresh

so

[cobalt blade]

idk if you even linked shockwave i just think that was around the shockwave talk

lol

[soft perch]

have fun with that

[karmic gust]

well i dont need hiero rly right i just need the returns :d

[dim sonnet]

Once you pick your class it's a. It late no ?

[tight plinth]

which one is zaresh?

[hexed egret]

Maybe I should play fusillade again since it's safe and easy

[karmic gust]

even though technically this could be hiero

[tight plinth]

oh the new boss

[soft perch]

new bloodline

[karmic gust]

with different skill i guess

[cobalt blade]

isnt the amulet from mirage mechanic not saresh

[full kraken]

how viable is it to league start angling towards gladiator viper strike of the mamba

[hexed egret]

Yeah you quit and delete

Then you make another build

[soft perch]

brass dome node > thirst for blood > level 1 cruelty

[hexed egret]

Lmao

[surreal musk]

https://i.imgur.com/WsGAKaA.png

[soft perch]

very solid 2h setup

[karmic gust]

deli bloodline :d

[surreal musk]

oh

[dim sonnet]

You 2ill get kicked out and have to wait in queue again though

[hexed egret]

The queue isn't so bad these days tbh

Only when there is a server fuck up

[cobalt blade]

you dont have to sit in queue to logout

just exit to character select

[hexed egret]

Not like being late an hour is going to make a difference

[tight plinth]

im gonna intentionally be late for a couple of hours

[dim sonnet]

Its like 15mn that's almost a whole act

[cobalt blade]

and youcan make a different char

[hexed egret]

Oh nooo 15 minute

[full kraken]

Okay but minion start looks kinda hot now, thats double the regen

[lethal berry]

you don't have to go back in queue to make a new character

[cobalt blade]

do you care about doubling your minion regen

[hexed egret]

Nobody cares lol

[full kraken]

which doesnt seem like much but it makes a big difference early acts, makes your zombies actually stick around

[hexed mountain]

Minions didnt care about flat regen

[dim sonnet]

True but the servers have another plan

[full kraken]

it matters a lot in acts 1-5 tbh

[hexed mountain]

Who used zombies

Unliked zomboids do 0 dmg

[full kraken]

makes your zombies go from "I die in like 2 seconds" to "I actually participate in the fight and dont die"

[dim sonnet]

Zombies are not real

[hexed mountain]

Ok but you arent playing zombies thi

[full kraken]

why wouldnt you use zombies if you are playing minion start, they are persistant minions

[dim sonnet]

We 16 spectres gang

[tight plinth]

but you need to be hitting the enemy to proc the regen no?

[full kraken]

yeah you use smite

[hexed mountain]

Because its pointless unlinked

[full kraken]

I usually go Smite, zombies, SRS, holy relic

[dim sonnet]

Surely the new corpses are crazy

[full kraken]

why are your zombies unlinked lol

[cobalt blade]

wait @karmic gust i just noticed a problem with your build

your mines get disabled

[karmic gust]

ooh lmao

[hexed mountain]

Because its early acts and i got 2 to 3 sockets per equipment

[karmic gust]

well i guess thats fine

[full kraken]

my... question still stands?

[cobalt blade]

decent chunk of dmg lost lol

[dim sonnet]

One of them is related to floor 4 sakema boss so probably time related

[tight plinth]

does that disable mines?

thats balls

[cobalt blade]

ye

[hexed mountain]

Why would i waste a slot in my links for useless zomboids

[full kraken]

you should be rocking like at least 3L zombies, 4L SRS, 3L shield charge, prolly 2L holy relic

"waste a slot" wat

[dim sonnet]

Maybe acceleration shrine or temp chain aura

[full kraken]

you running around half naked

[cobalt blade]

you can arrogance the mines but that feels sketch as fuck

[hexed mountain]

Holy strike, dom blow, relic

Herald of purity

[karmic gust]

yea that wouldnt even be more damage than the lost support anyway

[cobalt blade]

yee

[full kraken]

dom blow did get buffed 🤔

it does look kinda tasty

[tight plinth]

[full kraken]

you still wanna use holy relic even with that setup I think, arent dom blow minions damageable?

I dont recall, gotta check

[hexed mountain]

The 3sec on dom blow makes it much easier to random dom blow while you use smite or holy strike and keep them all up

[tight plinth]

yes

[hexed mountain]

Yed you use relic

[tight plinth]

they are, theyre like zombies but better

[zealous pebble]

You're supposed to use your gems not eat them

[hexed mountain]

My setup will heavily depend on holy strike damage

If its good or not

[full kraken]

doing all 3 of smite, holy strike, and dom blow at the same time sounds a bit too sweaty of a minion experience for my tastes in the acts tho ngl

[hexed mountain]

If its shit i might unironically rerol pyro antiquarian in act 1

[zealous pebble]

Minion piano lol

[full kraken]

I think I might just do Dom Blow and smite and thats it

[hexed mountain]

If they buffed dom blow enough to not feel like shit

Yeah

[wintry lily]

you know what you should care?

EK

[full kraken]

is there any specific unique weapon for around lv 20 to 40 we can crutch on going up for sale day 1 that makes acts a cakewalk

[hexed mountain]

Golem mace

[hexed egret]

EK no buff yet again

[hexed mountain]

Gives you wildly overleveled golem

[hexed egret]

Feels bad man

[wintry lily]

wdym

just use crit shrine echo shrine

[karmic gust]

i guess i can just do guardians blessing with the empty sockets on dark marionettes and just use it when needed

[full kraken]

oh yeah that one slaps

[wintry lily]

and 3rd ring

ek buffed

[cobalt blade]

a unique belt to vendor recipe with for Inc Phys

[soft perch]

isnt bleed reliquarian just better than slayer once you get the new bloodline

if youre 2h ofc

[gritty epoch]

I need to level 3 hierophants this league to play the builds I wanted

[cobalt blade]

hmm yea thats probably not bad with the 38% more minions stuff for higher chance its up?

[tight plinth]

there the proc anime weapon hammer, i think its around level 40 requirement

[zealous pebble]

Or just respec when done

[hexed mountain]

Animate guardian buff looks sweet too ngl

[sly minnow]

bro

shits gonna skyrocket next league

[hexed mountain]

How is internet explorer?

[cobalt blade]

As it should

Delve enjoyers rejoice

[karmic gust]

hmm would need 3 spectres base for that right

[zealous pebble]

Delving will continue until moral improves

[cobalt blade]

yee

[karmic gust]

i dont think i can get this to lvl 25 :d

[gritty epoch]

I want to minmax these build ideas tho

[olive sinew]

dom blow will always be shit in my heart because the rework to spawning sentinels was so much garbage compared to what they could have done to the original

Aka: You can only have 1 type of each monsters dominated, their duration is 30sec, subsequent monster of same type resets the duration and adds its power to the Prime monster

This skill would have been so much fun compared to the sentinel shit

[tight plinth]

no mention of resonators being removed from other sources tho

[sturdy venture]

gonna ask what build would you say day 1 is good for farming the shaper/elder/sirus guardians

[zealous pebble]

Fair enough

[hexed mountain]

Maybr you can get more than 38% with a +level gem

[cobalt blade]

hmm yeah actually I forgot its 25 for that

was thinking emp+38% more minions

[gritty epoch]

Go to tft day 1 and see if anyone sells guardian maps in bulk

[cobalt blade]

but only lvl24

[karmic gust]

yea

[hexed mountain]

If you can rare craft a helm you can +6 level spectre

[sturdy venture]

eh?

[karmic gust]

also lvl 23 technically

if im linking guardians via thingy

[sturdy venture]

how is that relevent to builds lol

[karmic gust]

as cant have lvl 21 then

[olive sinew]

So, what is the league mechanic flavour
Line, circle, mobile, pursuits, buffed mob, spawn patch?

[karmic gust]

and otherwise its 5 link

actually

[cobalt blade]

imbued guardians

:p

[karmic gust]

nvm im dumb i can have spectre 21

and just imbue zealotry yea

[zealous pebble]

Reflected map area

[gritty epoch]

U said day 1 no? Those maps won't be easily available on trade day 1

[cobalt blade]

yeye

[olive sinew]

So a slow yet OP build would be great

[cobalt blade]

wut

[tight plinth]

hes asking for a build that can do it

[karmic gust]

technically possible with better wand i guess

[cobalt blade]

Did you reply to wrong person

[karmic gust]

but thats then super pain to craft

oh well something for future me to figure out :d

[cobalt blade]

Yee 2 probably fine for bossing anyway

[hexed mountain]

I wonder if the essence +level of gems will be the same mod group ad global minion

[dim gyro]

Wonder how much harder expeditions with these 2 are gonna be oh and Expedition Scarab of Verisium Powder

[full kraken]

I have a feeling theres some wack stuff we arent prepared for this content is gonna drop from the currently not-spoiled yet other mirage'd content we havent even seen so far

[sturdy venture]

correct but again like i said im looking for a build to farm the bosses themselves.

eg actualyl killing them/doing the rotas

[hexed mountain]

Because if it isnt we czn get +10 level spectre in helm and basically run it on any build for support

[gritty epoch]

Assuming you get the bulk maps day 1, probably some glass cannon builds like SWT or traps I guess

[olive sinew]

Wanted to upgrade my 2400g cpu for next league… but the prices are stupid and 5500x3d is too new, not enough AliExpress listings and fluctuating price

[full kraken]

like there seems to be this thing where each content gets a mirage special new drop from its mirage version, so we dont even know what we can expect from some of the other things

[potent bramble]

We haven't had any confirmation about how the boss spawns yet, right? Like if it's a chance in maps vs a dedicated fight like Catarina

[cobalt blade]

hat slot is a pretty big trade off for this

[sturdy venture]

hell no im not playing glass cannon

[tight plinth]

i didnt know there was a 5500x3d

[cobalt blade]

also means no minion life/ele army for spectres that arent resummoning themself

[hexed mountain]

On guardian its ok since you cznt use double helm

[sturdy venture]

im tryna find a tanky bosser 💀

[gritty epoch]

Ideally you wan 15m DPS++ for invitations farm especially if squishy

[olive sinew]

Launched last June in Latin America, spawned yesterday in China

[cobalt blade]

Yeah but they just arent gonna live

[zealous pebble]

Then you're not farming shaper/Sirius day 1 then

[hexed mountain]

And buffed holy relic will give the spectres like 1200 regen

[gritty epoch]

U want quick high DPS day 1 glass cannon is the way imo

[dim gyro]

Probs this item right?

[cobalt blade]

and you yourself are getting a shit hat

[hexed mountain]

Why a shit hat its 2 mods on a rage

Rare

[sturdy venture]

i didnt say shaper/sirus. i said their guardians. e.g drox and such

[tight plinth]

nice, how much are they going for? i do be in the market for a new cpu

[cobalt blade]

Barya? Time for sekhemas

[hexed mountain]

Can still get max life and 3 suffixes

[sturdy venture]

im not playing glass cannon. that would be turbo unenjoyable. im tryna find a reletively tanky bosser

[karmic gust]

fissure is the good glacial cascade right

i wonder how that looks as miner on hiero

[gritty epoch]

Invitations can be much much harder than shaper tbf

[olive sinew]

175usd iirc

[karmic gust]

on this setup

[potent bramble]

Maybe? If it is, then I assume it'll be the standard one build for zoom-y clear, one build for high single-target/low zoom

[cobalt blade]

we dont know if the +6 is pre or suff

[soft perch]

nuclear difficulty

[full kraken]

Lots of interesting items on that list....

[soft perch]

by far the hardest content in the game

[gritty epoch]

Not on day 1

[delicate ether]

bro the new bloodline = T R A S H

[tight plinth]

thats kinda expensive for an old architecture

[hexed mountain]

Ngl i am a huge fan of the +6 essence

[soft perch]

no

[sturdy venture]

ok but as mentioned im just tryna find a build that meets the specs e.g decent d1 damage for bosses + not gonna fall over constantly

[cobalt blade]

But also just your not thinking of how hard it will be to get +6 +2 spectre and 4 other good mods you want

[soft perch]

the inc damage node is pretty good for spectres and shit

[cobalt blade]

+2 spectre is fucking 25 weight or smth

[olive sinew]

The upgrade from 5500 to X3d is substantial
16mb L3 to 92mb

That’s PoE value

[soft perch]

175% is a lot

[delicate ether]

tell me a single good node and why

[cobalt blade]

you arent gonna havea good hat

[soft perch]

level 1 cruelty is 40% more damage for hard hitting dot skills like bleed slams

[cobalt blade]

Also unique hats are fairly strong

[delicate ether]

40% ?

lol

[hexed mountain]

Yeah that is a frac angle.

[soft perch]

yes

do you know what cruelty does

[karmic gust]

looking at vid fissure overlaps like 3 times so idk if thats good or bad

[delicate ether]

15% more damage

[soft perch]

ok so you dont know what cruelty does

thank you for answering

[karmic gust]

huh that looks shit am i missing something about this skill

[cobalt blade]

and now you lose getting 2 essence mods so no rmr or fracturing the essence mod to get +1 int gems from delve fossils :p

[gritty epoch]

As I said, 15m DPS minimum to start invitation farming (eradicator with bad mods etc can brick runs) and even the most meta builds won't get that DPS day 1 while being tanky

[delicate ether]

more damage overtime ?

[hexed mountain]

It overlaps 2 to 3 times with good aoe

[cobalt blade]

its just not a fun craft for a support spectre when you can empower instead

[karmic gust]

yea but thats still shit

[worthy cave]

Okay something that really grinds my gears

[soft perch]

its good for dot builds that have hard hits like slams

[olive sinew]

Dear GGG,
Make Shockwave totem of authority not despawn when offscreen
Your only chance for them to not be absolute garbage

[hexed mountain]

Also its a phys conv skill

[karmic gust]

if its just 160 x 3

[soft perch]

bleed slams are popular

[karmic gust]

right

[lucid gale]

Zen1 part, yeah, that would be a nice jump up in CPU perf.
I upgraded my nephew's machine from a 1700 to a 5500 a few years ago, so much better for FIFA and Fortnite.

[worthy cave]

What's the point of juicing expedition when several of tghe NPCs either completely suck (Gwen) or fall off like a rock after the first week (Rog?)

[full kraken]

if any of these new supports provide reduced/less duration we are cookin

[arctic zenith]

"Atlas Respecialisation Points and Character Respecialisation Points are now capped at 65535 "

is there any special reason for this number? anyone smart in computer stuff can explain?

[hexed mountain]

Yeah

[karmic gust]

well on manastorm i dont rrly care about this part so different skill then

[cobalt blade]

2^16

-1

[karmic gust]

any other good mine skills

does eow need anything special

[surreal musk]

the loot from the runic monsters is the vast vast majority of the income

[lucid gale]

Very round number.

[worthy cave]

sure, but what loot is that?

Slogbooks fall off in value hard b/c their NPCs fall off

refresh currency is similarly worthless for Gwen and Rog after week 1

[hexed mountain]

BL of orbit

[cobalt blade]

basically computers deal with stuff in bits and bytes and 2^16 is 16 bit int limit just like 2^32 is 32 bit int limit (2.147b) very simplifies explanation

1 off 1 on 16 bits on 65535

[full kraken]

aka 0xFFFF = 65535

[dim gyro]

i miss making my first 50 divs off rog

[gritty epoch]

16^4-1 (coz 0)

[worthy cave]

and Rog has major competition from breach tree now

[karmic gust]

also refraction still works just fine with magma orb right

[worthy cave]

b/c weapon crafting with rog is a crapshoot

[karmic gust]

oh wait it limits proj nvm

[modest depot]

someone ping me when poeplanner is updated

[olive sinew]

So… no words on having That which was taken affixes coming back in the game somehow?

[full kraken]

twisters already sitting at 2 buffs this league, hoping for a third lol

I might count "gladiator didnt get nerfed" as one too

[modest depot]

fuck this dog shit path of pathing website omg its so awful

[worthy cave]

how does iceshot of penetration work with fury valve + refraction?

is it just 2 free chains?

[dim gyro]

yep id didnt even bother with rog in keepers

[soft perch]

real

[umbral crag]

The only word is very very unlikely lol

[potent bramble]

I was pondering what could be done with Gwen to make her impactful again - because as I'm assuming you'd agree with, she's kinda just fully irrelevant b/c of item gambling at Faustus. The best idea I was able to think of was limiting the logbooks to Gwen encounters specifically, which would at least make her relevant/worth finding in maps

[cobalt blade]

having fun trying to unallocate nodes?

[olive sinew]

RIP build diversity

[worthy cave]

Big joke lmao

[gritty epoch]

Target dummy as someone at Reddit suggest

[full kraken]

@karmic gust something to keep in mind btw

[karmic gust]

oh new corpse spectres?

[full kraken]

oh man... I wonder if any of these new corpses can cast curses

[zealous pebble]

Probs rot can