1┃general

[tight plinth]

pira i found the build for you

[soft perch]

people tend to have a skill that dominates damage for st tho in poe2

a lot of it is more purity of elements and treachery

[hard cliff]

dude two six socket giga unleash one for single one for aoe

imagine

[hexed mountain]

Two?

Get a helm and make it three

[hard cliff]

true

[broken hedge]

man i see a lot of people wanting to league start absolution but ehhhh idk

they gonna hate it

[hexed mountain]

Holy strike into abso if its shit

[hard cliff]

I'll send this build idea to my friend Gabe for this league

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, that's a good point, Reliquarian can just straight up do Polytheist Pyroclast mine things

[karmic gust]

okey

[soft perch]

gen cry holy hammers dood

[lethal berry]

8L gloves, 8L helm, 6L body, 12L weapon+squire, surely thats a good builder

[karmic gust]

this looks exactrly how i wanted it to look

[soft perch]

vendor

rolling magma

[karmic gust]

mineer with sabo return

isnt that good?

[hybrid harness]

thats what Im expecting in act 1 in 3 days

[karmic gust]

i thought its good

[proud gorge]

Aura AoE, extra projectiles, Astral Projector

[hexed mountain]

10/10 for memes

[soft perch]

its good but its rolling magma

[true falcon]

What ascendencies are yall holy striking

[soft perch]

therefore vendor

[livid quarry]

kk read on poe wiki. thats true

[hard cliff]

the aura aoe nodes apply to pyroclast aoe

[proud gorge]

they genuinely have all the things you'd want for Pyroclast Mine

[proud gorge]

yeah

[karmic gust]

best part

[proud gorge]

if anything they get larger auras than the Polytheist version

[hexed mountain]

Yeah , the extra proj are a bit meh since pyro already gets a lot but its not a dead node at least and good for clear when you dont spamm

[hybrid harness]

db u need to cook templar builds. need smth to transition into without re-leveling

[hexed mountain]

Probably not the best endgame compared to other asc just running astral but leaguestart its good

[karmic gust]

i have templar build cooked already

[simple stag]

holy moley we got almost everything except for the exceptional datamine and the challenge rewards IT IS ALMOST TIME

[proud gorge]

the problem is Astral gives an AoE penalty

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/QL4QeNrVVWzJ

but sushi has better version

[proud gorge]

while Reliquarian Astral gives an AoE bonus

[karmic gust]

either awy is sick build i think

[proud gorge]

for some reason

[true falcon]

How is it only tuesday

[stoic horizon]

wednesday for me already

[hard cliff]

I'M SORRY

[proud gorge]

Time is something we made up

[hexed mountain]

Yeah but elem litterally id even in damage with reliquarian by clicking shaper of storm and has 3 ascendancies left

[soft perch]

btw

i think adorned now drops from a boss

[proud gorge]

just dissolve all social conventions about things like hours, or days, or weeks

[soft perch]

they removed vaal aspects and spoke about removing a vendor recipe

[zealous pebble]

Not with the duration buff

[soft perch]

its probably trialmaster

[proud gorge]

and it can be "Fry-Day" today if you want

[stoic horizon]

makes sense

[true falcon]

Hours and weeks sure, but days are pretty natural

[soft perch]

its either trialmaster or uber atziri but

im betting on trialmaster for consistency across games

[hexed mountain]

Should be uber atziri

[lethal berry]

anyone know what this templar astrolabe could be? the rest are probably:
templar?, harvest, abyss, breach, ritual, blight, ultimatum?, ghosts?, legion, expedition

[hexed mountain]

Make uber atziri drop something valuable again

[hardy heron]

Think it gives a random one

[steel mural]

hope they datamine where this exclusive gems drop

[proud gorge]

sure, but we did make up when it starts and when it ends, or even that one sun cycle is one "day"

[stoic horizon]

ghosts is tormented spirits

[hardy heron]

Check the reveal video though

[proud gorge]

if you want you could have two time segments per sun cycle

[broken hedge]

not really about that, its just how it plays, ive started it a bunch of times and unless you are switching early i think a lot of people arent going to like it

[proud gorge]

the light segment and the dark segment

[true falcon]

Only a few more sun cycles

[lethal berry]

ty

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/k3kU64Yfdvg7 alright but isnt this sick build or what

@crisp obsidian finished pobbing ez

[tranquil umbra]

I'm confused on what the hell enshrouded astrolabe could be

[karmic gust]

there are probs still some issues but i actually like this unlike the hiero

[hardy heron]

Think it's Delirium

[lethal berry]

chaotic and enshrouded are the only astrolabes i can't figure out, thinking ultimatum and tormented spirits though

[dim gyro]

yea we're missing info on 5 of em

[proud gorge]

each light segment is followed by the evil dark segment, any babies born during the light segment will be good and kind and well-behaved, while any babies born during the dark segment will be evil and terrible and predisposed towards violence.

[hardy heron]

Chaotic is Ultimatum (probably)

[fickle glen]

are crit builds the strongest? ive only been seeing crit builds so far.

[proud gorge]

that's why we make sure that mothers only give birth during the light segment

[crisp obsidian]

that does look kinda sick tho

[blazing nymph]

Enshrouded might be delirium

[dim gyro]

fruiting is probably harvest

[proud gorge]

and if a baby is born during the dark segment we kill it before it can grow old and evil

[zealous pebble]

Did you go spiritual aid reasonable early? If not that's probably why it felt bad

[karmic gust]

and i forgot to swap boots :d

[soft perch]

chaotic is ultimatum i think

[lethal berry]

yep so thats pretty good

[karmic gust]

but yea it looks rly rly good

nice defenses and everything

[crisp obsidian]

oh ye true :D

[soft perch]

enshrouded is delirious

[dim gyro]

timeless is legion

[crisp obsidian]

damn I might have to do this

[dim gyro]

and runic is expedition

[crisp obsidian]

am I finally baited into mines

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I never played Pyroclast, since during Phrecia I played Shockwave Totems instead

but a miner might be fun

[true falcon]

"An I, Sparrow Evergarden, was born right in the middle. Together with my 3 hot guy friends we will overthow this corrupt system"

[broken hedge]

i dont necessarily have a problem with it, been playing it since it came out but ive had friends try it because they see me playing it and they dont really like the play style which i understand

[crisp obsidian]

I hope the amulet is not t0

[proud gorge]

I haven't played a miner since Automation-Detonate Mines was added

so it should be way smoother now

[hexed mountain]

Looks t3 at best

[zealous pebble]

Did they like dom blow?

[broken hedge]

im not going to be league starting it this one though

[hexed mountain]

The life variant looks pissbad

[karmic gust]

hopefully not

[lethal berry]

the amulet is probably the very common drop

[karmic gust]

and i can just transition from regular miner

[broken hedge]

not sure if they did dominating blow, i used to play that one a lot before absolution came out

[karmic gust]

so actually normal progression

for once

[hexed mountain]

That damage is one hit per magma orb right?

[zealous pebble]

Bait yourself with holy strike

[hardy heron]

Templar Astrolabe - generic/random
Fruiting Astrolabe - harvest?
Lightless Astrolabe - Abyss
Grasping Astrolabe - Breach?
Nameless Astrolabe - Ritual
Fungal Astrolabe - Blight
Chaotic Astrolabe - Ultimatum?
Enshrouded Astrolabe - Delirium?
Timeless Astrolabe - Legion
Runic Astrolabe - Expedition

My guesses

[lethal berry]

ye thats what i had

[broken hedge]

nah poison srs i think although i do really want to start a new skill but idk

i tried it last league not as a starter and had a good run with it

[dim gyro]

this was from templar

[stoic horizon]

lock in poison holy strike trust

[broken hedge]

bossing was very easy

[hard cliff]

@stoic horizon @broken hedge
trust the plan

trust in your league starter

[broken hedge]

yeah im locked in i know what im doin

[hard cliff]

you two will only win together

[lethal berry]

so templar probably just fills in the random mechanics that don't have an astrolabe if this is from it

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/gym-roshi-ejercicio-gif-5788111

[broken hedge]

but i do like how the new skills look 😄

[stoic horizon]

wdym us 2, you aint joining?

[broken hedge]

ive never just league started a new skill haha

[hexed mountain]

Respec is basically free until maps

[blazing nymph]

Just gotta have a backup plan ready

[lethal berry]

so wtf is a volatile vaal orb going to do? divine before vaal? or poe2 corruption?

[hexed mountain]

Just havr a backup build on scame class

[broken hedge]

eh

back up plan is 4 months from now 😄

[hexed mountain]

Or reroll if its shit. Doesnt matter if you reroll a few hours in

[broken hedge]

but nah ill go with what i was planning, safe srs build no probs

[zealous pebble]

Could always start the skill then pivot to psrs if you don't like it

[heady cliff]

thats the spirit

[hexed mountain]

The good part of holy strike is its level 1 skill

Can see if you like quite fast

[lethal berry]

doesn't templar get it before hillock now

[hexed mountain]

Yeah

[broken hedge]

holy strike is the minion thing right

[lethal berry]

so you're forced to see if you like it lmao

[hexed mountain]

Scion get after hillock in choices too

[royal topaz]

i really wanna see how new storm burst actually works

[zealous pebble]

Yep

[thorn lotus]

minion copies of your weapon, yes

[broken hedge]

hmm

[zealous pebble]

Plus hallowing flame supp

[royal topaz]

like maybe youll be able to flick your cursor back and forth super fast to keep all the orbs on something

xdd

[dim sonnet]

[sleek ocean]

very interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGmXRzJEdE

[broken hedge]

maybe we just wing it

[hexed mountain]

New card to BM in global unlocked

[zealous pebble]

Don't share it or GGG nerf it

[hexed mountain]

Still less meta than the who asked card

[lethal berry]

glacial hammer fucking sucked as a starter skill, so thats nice that they switch it

[karmic gust]

@crisp obsidian i still had cast speed weaepon there oops, now its 100M :d https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125/sabo-mana-miner

[charred hornet]

Doesnt really gonna work with how aoe increase in the game...the gap will widen too

[heady cliff]

[Who Asked], you [The Silly Boy]

[merry marlin]

Huh, they removed vaal aspects?

[dim sonnet]

new corpses

[hardy heron]

good for killing hillock (freeze is nice) and... that's about it

[hexed mountain]

They put adorned somewhere i guess

[zealous pebble]

Tbf we don't know if increased AOE spreads out the hammers

[merry marlin]

So adorned is only from the unique vaal side area?

[dim sonnet]

maybe we get a new meta dps spectre

[broken hedge]

ill have to make a build 😄

[crisp obsidian]

cast speed weapon there

[karmic gust]

hmm shows accu here

[merry marlin]

Maybe uberatziri got it

[dim sonnet]

man i wanted to play brands and they do all these cool spectre shit ?

[charred hornet]

Pray it work like in the video

[normal hedge]

nice voices

[zealous pebble]

Lmao, I'm going sweep jugg so I'm already praying

[modern zinc]

I wonder if GGG will ever add a block aura

or a magic find aura

[lethal berry]

tempest shield

and they would never add an mf aura

[modern zinc]

that's just spell block

[hexed mountain]

I wonder ... Sabo would work on new shovkwave exceptional no?

[zealous pebble]

A mf aura? What are you on so I can have some

[modern zinc]

why not

[wheat sinew]

stonks

[modern zinc]

it's not like it even matters at this point

[wheat sinew]

happy minion love

[hexed mountain]

50 cdr perfect crime more area damage

[modern zinc]

you barely get loot drops anyway

[hexed mountain]

[zealous pebble]

You want to see no loot try ruthless

[karmic gust]

now only issue is that the mine throwing speed here is not ideal

idk if there are any good sources

[modern zinc]

that's exactly where you would use a mf aura

[zealous pebble]

Good luck getting it to drop

[crisp obsidian]

caching issue probs

[hardy heron]

It would. opposite side of the tree to mace/axe/staff nodes, but people have done longer paths before, and clusters exist

[crisp obsidian]

yeah that's the biggest issue of miners

[hexed mountain]

Yeah

[crisp obsidian]

there's like ammy craft and uhhh some unique I think?

[heady cliff]

arkhon?

xD

[hexed mountain]

Belt buts that is taken

[karmic gust]

i got some from frenzies and charged mines and weapon

but otherwise hard

[opaque sphinx]

im assuming for retal glad u start slams ye

[wintry lily]

silly deathbeam

just use reverse chill

[opaque sphinx]

what lvl do u swap?

[wintry lily]

or the shrine belt

[karmic gust]

cant use shrine belt or reverse chill sadly

[hard cliff]

Yeah I am playing

[karmic gust]

this is pathfinder build

so tides are locked

smh

[hard cliff]

Corrupted Absolution Necromancer

[wintry lily]

You really are forcing pathfinder on everything huh

[native abyss]

lock in

[karmic gust]

but the tech is so sick

[wintry lily]

I await cyclone poison from you

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125/pf-assassin look at this literally just pathfinderr

[wintry lily]

[royal topaz]

i might get baited into storm burst necro

[karmic gust]

master surgeon + full life petrified and flasks

[royal topaz]

esp if trans storm burst has acceptable shotguns

[crisp obsidian]

wait why is es regen so fked

[hard cliff]

This is very silly

[crisp obsidian]

oh frost shield

I c

[hard cliff]

Why necro ???????

[royal topaz]

like i really wanna see how the orbs jump away from the cursor to know if u can like just run giga mouse sensitivity to constantly flick to keep all the orbs in one spot

that would be sick ngl

carpal tunnel build

[royal topaz]

necro gets bunch of duration which is strongest scaler for stormburst and then corpse pact for a bunch of cast speed

[noble sleet]

I think we need to go all the way back.. where it all started

[haughty bloom]

what is the strongest phys hit the game can throw at you in map?
assuming crit immune so its not a crit phys hit.
like some influenced soul eater brute slamming you or something idk

[royal topaz]

and then very good defensive nodes

[hard cliff]

You're sick in the head

but I like it

Run it

[royal topaz]

i played it in affliction

was fun

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/blizzard-ent-starcraft-protoss-3oz8xZnWxRal1r1zYA

[haughty bloom]

how high is 25k phys max hit

[crisp obsidian]

shaper slam probably

from mirage

[stoic horizon]

man this pf build is looking sick

[haughty bloom]

how much value wise would some of the strongest hits be

[karmic gust]

yea idk why they gave PF all damage can poison it was already good ascendancy

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dc-cinematic-universe-tPKoWQJk3cEbC

[umbral crag]

Death, what do you reckon before getting thunderfist for that mamba build

[stoic horizon]

all this good stuff and master distiller still exists

[umbral crag]

Might end up redoing mamba again for league start

[sleek ocean]

they can probly reverse the autoexcertion reservation with arrogance being fixed with auto

[karmic gust]

play pconc

[stoic horizon]

ugh chat moved and replied to one msg down

[umbral crag]

Kekw

[stoic horizon]

[karmic gust]

i mean you can also just craft lower dps weapons

with attack speed right

but the attack speed being high is important

and then anger on top

and its good enuff

[sleek ocean]

carn got nerfed again

[umbral crag]

I will start pconc, so you're saying prolly not worth switching before corrupted thunderfist?

[wintry lily]

Still waiting on that hexblast buff that'll never come

[karmic gust]

well you dont need corrupted thunderfist

just thunderfist

right

[hard cliff]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/26581987

[hard compass]

Hi what is the difference between block gladiator with boneshatter of complex trauma and lacerate of hemorrhoids?

[karmic gust]

one slashes stuff until it bleeds

other one smashes stuff until it bleeds

[exotic pivot]

hold up

[lethal berry]

one smashes yourself until everything else bleeds

[dim sonnet]

new corspes are a nice surprise

[lucid gale]

"Removed" in the item filter post doesn't have any implications about what happens to old items.
It's just saying that a loot filter author can't match on them as they shouldn't exist as items in the world.
Some things may be destroyed, some may be converted into new items. What happens to specific kinds of item is usually described in a patch note or end-of-league post or similar.

Similarly, Awakened supports are not mentioned in the item filter post as extant such items are still intact on Standard. It doesn't matter that they can't drop anymore and have been functionally superseded by Exceptional supports, the items still exist in the world.

[hard cliff]

I don't know programing to open the item filter please share

[hard compass]

Im kinda confused with path to take for the build because the skill trees are different

[dim sonnet]

its in their forums

[hard compass]

And since I'm relatively new I'm kinda confused

[hard cliff]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[hard cliff]

Me too man me too

[dim sonnet]

i assume one of them is a poison related one

i hope one of them can be a main dps that would be sick

[hard cliff]

Lacerate of Haemorrhage prob has no ramp time like boneshatter does

but I dunno how either plays I did eviscerate bleed

[hard cliff]

if it's like a lot of bleed builds 80% of your tree is gonna be identical anyways

[dim sonnet]

pacifism sounds funny

[hard cliff]

Not super hard to switch if one sucks

both I'm sure can get you to maps

Jack the axe stupid strong if you can farm it up too

[hard compass]

I'll try to acquire it on launch for a bj

[soft perch]

dont play lacerate

just play a bleed slam

like sunder or earthquake

[lucid gale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1rk60ox/comment/o8ihciu/

[hardy heron]

Quick update: Vaal Aspect was not actually removed.
Adorned speculation over, guys

[soft perch]

fist of war is really good

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-bathroom-nekkid-DvyLQztQwmyAM

[hard compass]

Why

[soft perch]

its slow and the aoe sucks

[hard compass]

Jk

[hard cliff]

I'mma beat you with a stick

[soft perch]

and the damage is nothing special at all

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/help-golden-retriever-helper-H4zaKzL5e7ypqn10zi

[hard compass]

But the single target bleed is good, right 👍🏻

[tight plinth]

Am i trippin or is this poop?

[soft perch]

dissolution stuff

[tough cove]

very very niche

[past mantle]

Great for dissolusion, ass otherwise.

[soft perch]

i mean its bleed

[past mantle]

Unless you're willing to become a ward fiend. :xdd:

[soft perch]

the single target is not really much different to fist of war slams

[tight plinth]

This gem looks like it should be a normal support instead of exceptional

[past mantle]

Awakened gems being gone is such a big loss of power that I didn't realise til now.

Rip all those free +1s.

[tight plinth]

Maybe the real awakened gems are the friends we made along they way

[hardy heron]

100%mom is possible now I believe. That could work

[steady otter]

Ikr, they took away the things we love and gave us the things we dont need

[runic vine]

If bleed had a skill related to it that didn't come with some weird clunky penalty for playing it, I would play it more often

[hexed mountain]

Adrenaline to heal back

[hexed mountain]

Wait till we see the data they look better thzn the average woke gem rn

[hardy heron]

40% base MoM
10% from Hiero
10% from Clarity Watcher’s Eye
10% from 10 Power Charges with Aylardex
30% from Foulborn Mind of the Council
So it should be 100% damage taken from Mana.

Damage conversion:
50% ele taken as chaos (Divine Flesh)
10% ele taken as chaos (Bound by Destiny)
40% cold & fire taken as lightning (Font of Thunder)

Although I won't be surpised if this doesn't work

[scenic lance]

anyone know why gems socketed in items aren't showing when i search? i swear the item the gem was in used to get highlighted

[cobalt blade]

note you need 101% damage taken as

[tight plinth]

The minion stuff is interesting though

[sleek ocean]

kinda need 101%

[cobalt blade]

or youll just randomly die

so you replace the bbd with a watchers eye

[hexed mountain]

Void shockwave looks like cyclone gaming

Might even do good ST on sabo

[cobalt blade]

are you searching gem name or stats on gem?

[sleek ocean]

same with pphys damage taken as ele also needs to be 101% to be immune to bleed

[cobalt blade]

gem name should still show up

[hardy heron]

We already have watchers eye. We just need an extra power charge, according to the Reddit thread I copied this from

[cobalt blade]

yes i mean that youll replace it with the cold/fire taken as lightning watchers eye instead of bbd

[deep shell]

will goblin troupe ever come back?

[tight plinth]

I dont get the void shockwave

[cobalt blade]

11pcharges does not work

[tight plinth]

Does it souble proc?

[cobalt blade]

you need 101% taken as not 101% MoM

[scenic lance]

gem name, for example if i search "brutality" an item with that socketed in it doesn't highlight the item (regular tabs i mean not the gem tab)

[sleek ocean]

mom is also 101 %

[scenic lance]

i think my game is acting up

[cobalt blade]

its not required for MoM

[stuck phoenix]

I have never wanted to filter for socketed gems

[crisp obsidian]

@karmic gust is there any issues with using automation - detonate mines on your build btw

[stuck phoenix]

so I honestly have no idea if that has ever worked like that

[karmic gust]

hmm

[cobalt blade]

for some reason MoM just always redirects the damage properly compared to taken as

[karmic gust]

is detonate mines spell

[crisp obsidian]

Cause mines without that is kinda oof

[cobalt blade]

weird

[crisp obsidian]

Ye its a spell

[past mantle]

I didn't say that at all, no.

[crisp obsidian]

No mana cost tho

[stuck phoenix]

isn't taken as only an issue when it's to multiple places

[karmic gust]

does it count as when you cast a spell

[stuck phoenix]

MoM is only to one place

[karmic gust]

when its on automation

[stuck phoenix]

it's a rounding error

issue

[karmic gust]

because manastorm right

[crisp obsidian]

Shouldn't

[cobalt blade]

it also happens with phys taken as and bleed* so idk

[karmic gust]

ok perfect then

[crisp obsidian]

As it's a trigger right

[steady elk]

Impatiently waiting for the mirage league reward reveals

[crisp obsidian]

Automation

[stuck phoenix]

what

[cobalt blade]

it might be to multiple sources tho that it happens tho ye

if you have 101% pta your bleed immune

100% pta you arent

[past mantle]

They look a lot more interesting, I think the loss of power from them will be pretty significant, especially if you can't make use of any of the new ones.

[glacial ember]

How is everyone doing. I hope well

[past mantle]

They're a lot closer to poe2 unique gems so I'm willing to see where it goes.

[hexed mountain]

Depends on builds. They might make diallz become too strong though

If they scale past 3 properly

[past mantle]

But then you're running Dialla's so that's fine.

[soft perch]

from looking at greater spell cascade

its like 7% better than the old one

[hexed mountain]

Yeah but there are other options too for sup gems levels

[soft perch]

so i think the power of these is worth 2 old awakened gems if youre using purely numerical ones outside the flat added gems

[hard cliff]

8===========8

Gates up no new players

[past mantle]

If we can get 50% on the new minion gem.

I am a minion only andy.

[tight plinth]

I like the new gem thingies, its fresh. Sad about the loss of wokes but not big a deal

[past mantle]

I'm the new Kay or whoever it was.

[karmic gust]

i managed to make the ammy look pretty sick finally in pob outside of 0dps hiero

[cobalt blade]

[granite nexus]

New shockwave looks cool

[soft perch]

im afraid to tell you what youve just said

which is that youre the new ghazzy

[cobalt blade]

whats it lookin like

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125/sabo-mana-miner

[hard cliff]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1rjw0b1/328_ready_updated_betrayal_cheatsheet_customizer/

[crisp obsidian]

Gloves with +1 socketed +2 socketed minions and +socketed whatever attri the gem is should give decent boost

[soft perch]

it looks really strong

[karmic gust]

idk why the pobbin is caching wrong embed but it should be 100M now

[soft perch]

im tellin u

[cobalt blade]

oh its fuckin mines lol

[soft perch]

login shockwave gen cry guardian

[past mantle]

New shockwave looks strong on numbers and fun.

[karmic gust]

manastorm mines :d

[hexed mountain]

Sabo cyclone

[cobalt blade]

yeah im sad replenshing shrines gone i was gonna do mana storm stuff with it later lmao

but ye thats another use for it not bad

[soft perch]

triggerbots no work with shockwave

[tight plinth]

Does gencry mirage have their own shockwave cd?

[past mantle]

Gems being build enablers/enhancers and not just higher numbers is always welcome.

[karmic gust]

yea i had big issues with finding cast speed

[crisp obsidian]

Arcane cloak is used to proc manastorm right? Automation doesn't count as casting so that wont work right

[hexed mountain]

Oh is perfect crime spell only?

[karmic gust]

so it was super tanking my dps

minees solve that ez

[soft perch]

ya

[dim sonnet]

mana miner ?

[cobalt blade]

for hiero you get it on clusters no?

[hexed mountain]

F

[cobalt blade]

35 effect mana int cast speed

[soft perch]

no they just be triggering holy hammers

[karmic gust]

yea except all my clusters were mana flask meds + voices xd

[cobalt blade]

fair

id have dropped some of those to go big larges instead lol

probably were a bit overkill on that setup

[karmic gust]

yea thats probs smarter lol

[cobalt blade]

but ye this doesnt look bad if a bit clunky looking to play

[karmic gust]

no i wanted to use something else

[hexed mountain]

Can take the good mine notables on flask clusers too

[karmic gust]

like bloodrage or some shit

[crisp obsidian]

Ahh

[soft perch]

when did we get the community q&a last league

i wanna know if hallowing flame works with proxies

[hexed mountain]

It should if they are not you

[sleek ocean]

minions cant use the support

[karmic gust]

i actually dont know now if automation doesnt proc manastorm tho

[solid laurel]

Volatile vaal orbs 👀

[karmic gust]

maybe i shoudl testor if anyone knows for sure

[soft perch]

i know

but theyre not minions

and theyre not using the support

theyre using the guardian ascendancy

[true flower]

harbingers really said "my planet needs me"

[past mantle]

Regular shockwave still in game right? Just got a trans support gems version now?

[cobalt blade]

its a trigger so it doesnt

[sleek ocean]

automation doesnt trigger casts

[hexed mountain]

Volatile vaal orb could just be itemized alva double corrupt. They probably would have shown as new QoL tho

[soft perch]

automation doesnt cast

[karmic gust]

just wanted to make sure, ty

because detonate mines proccing manastorm would compeltely ruin the build :d

[soft perch]

it might also be the betrayal orb

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[solid laurel]

Could allow you to vaal something already corrupted

[lethal berry]

it's totally the thing to get vaal imbued gems (copium)

[solid laurel]

Because a lot of things come corrupted

[hexed mountain]

Yeah could be a last minute fix to let people try to vaal skill their imbued gem

[sleek ocean]

automation makes you able to have withering step and phase run active at the sametime

[heady forge]

Shoutouts to the dude who right clicked an orb of regret/unmaking 65535 times

[past mantle]

Thanks, it took me forever.

[hexed mountain]

"dude"

Script*

[lethal berry]

macro for sure

[dim sonnet]

a cluncker

[cobalt blade]

the person who did it posted on reddit

ill go find it

[full kraken]

cooldown reduction support is interesting, I wonder if it has ways we can abuse it 🤔

[cobalt blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1r38qwt/you_ever_wonder_how_many_atlas_respec_points_you/

[hexed mountain]

Yes

[past mantle]

65536 isn't that many clicks.

[hexed mountain]

It has

[dim sonnet]

will it work on minions ?

[full kraken]

you'd really wanna lower the cooldown on some skill that while it itself isnt your dps skill, its cooldown enables your actual dps skill

[tight plinth]

Limit testers are always impressive to me

[dim sonnet]

some minions have really cool high cd skills

[full kraken]

it should afaik

[dim sonnet]

especially the corps ones

[solid laurel]

Wonder if any of the new gems work with RF, none stick out currently

[cobalt blade]

they used the cool rock strategy

[tight plinth]

Finally a normal person who doesnt use old.reddit

[short prairie]

Baited

[dim sonnet]

damn i really wanted to play brands

[cobalt blade]

i do use it when im actually browsing reddit

and not just grabbing a post

[dim sonnet]

but ggg is forcing me to play spectres

[karmic gust]

@crisp obsidian can just use frostblink to proc manastorm i guess

[hexed mountain]

Not even a clanker then its a damn stoner

[granite nexus]

I dont think proxies are ally

[tight plinth]

[full kraken]

what is a skill that has a cooldown, but casting/proccing it causes some other skill to proc on different links 🤔

[warm musk]

Has anyone played mfa manastacker here?

[hexed mountain]

There is a setup to use it off cd on wiki page i think

[warm musk]

Is essence sap mandatory?

[soft perch]

lmao

[hexed mountain]

Thats clearly shit

[soft perch]

is he genuinely

considering 0 damage ascendancy

[cobalt blade]

manaforged arrows with blink arrow as your trigger

[soft perch]

they are allies

[short prairie]

[molten hazel]

im happy that im not the only 1 that spotted that combo

[tight plinth]

Frenzy generation, must be for flicker

[hexed mountain]

An ascendancy with 0 damage node for flicker. Enjoy flickering back to mobs because you cant OS them

[dim gyro]

I wonder if there's gonna be a giga degen farming method of just singling out 1 rare and continuously revive it

[cobalt blade]

once

[short prairie]

I posted that combo a day or two ago

[soft perch]

@granite nexus

[karmic gust]

ah brand recall, nice

[granite nexus]

Oh nice

[dim sonnet]

wait brand recall

[granite nexus]

So that probably works

[soft perch]

proxies are allies and are not 'you' but benefit from 'you' stuff

[karmic gust]

i geuss phase run is nicer

[dim sonnet]

brand recall refresh some of the duration of the brand right ?

[tough cove]

doesnt reliquarian only get 2 selections?

[dim sonnet]

can we in theory make a perma brand like in delirum days ?

[cobalt blade]

3

2 if you go bloodline

[hexed mountain]

Reliquarian gets an armor a weapon and a jewelry

[karmic gust]

not anymore

[cobalt blade]

but your third always has to be jewellery

[tight plinth]

Not anymore, not for a while now

[soft perch]

yea i think so too

but hallowing flame wording is very weird

[lethal berry]

it says "revive once" which makes me think they intentionally cap it at one so that you can't farm the same mob

[dim sonnet]

damn

[dim gyro]

yea i guess. probs good for essence farming then

[charred hornet]

Well hold on...i mean with that ascendancy you can be more defensive,so who know

[heady cliff]

frenzy charges /copium

[crisp obsidian]

That's called PoE2

[hexed mountain]

Or you could just play slayer stack frenzies and use farrul

[heady cliff]

poo2 invaded OUR atlas

[crisp obsidian]

So we using brand recall to proc it?

[tough cove]

thats my thing i just cant think of a scenario where reliquarian beats slayer for flicker

[heady cliff]

league start gear

[hexed mountain]

Its bad damage on reliquarian

[crisp obsidian]

Now I just need a shadow starter

[charred hornet]

You can use bronlithe with that ascendancy tho...and no need stormshroud+abyss belt for elemental ailment

[heady cliff]

pyroclast mines

[crisp obsidian]

I guess

[hexed mountain]

Might as well pick an ascendancy that gives damage and play anothrr skill till you get flicker going

[heady cliff]

make sure to have proper links

[tough cove]

cause slayer just gets way too much comparitively

[heady cliff]

mine supports are extremely important compared to other skills

[opaque sphinx]

anyone know when its chill to swap to retal glad from slams ?

[hexed mountain]

You wouldnt go purity endgame either way you wouod go farrul cats

[tight plinth]

Can we now choose which map to run a blighted map?

[tough cove]

the purity node is bait for everything except unarmred

[karmic gust]

or phase run yea

[hexed mountain]

You can on first lab if you want

[worthy cave]

Why is It That Fled considered top tier b/c of foulborn uniques?

[karmic gust]

hmm if i capped suppression on this

[worthy cave]

Won't breach crap them out?

[karmic gust]

but thats too much effort

[hexed mountain]

Just have the retal wheels

[karmic gust]

but posible for sure

[worthy cave]

so how zdps is that build?

[dim gyro]

we don't know how new breach is. Also its option of multiple

[worthy cave]

O_o

so what's the catch?

[lethal berry]

retal feels very rough without basically all of the passive tree wheels and the ascendancy, and you need to cap block too

[opaque sphinx]

hot ty

[charred hornet]

Let just say you can go more tanky with reliq flicker....but lets see how far he can go.

10m on hit is like decent dps if they can do uber with strong defense

[karmic gust]

its miner now instead of hiero self cast :d

[worthy cave]

oh it's a miner

[heady cliff]

mine throwing speed

[karmic gust]

also that

[heady cliff]

forget about dodging

[opaque sphinx]

mm ok ty

[heady cliff]

how much damage sabo gives you?

could you swap to trickster?

[granite nexus]

Staff/mace? Need high base phys to take advantage of buff

[karmic gust]

well its rolling magma

[crisp obsidian]

I am so ready to play next leag

[karmic gust]

so i do it for the returns

[lethal berry]

low block = zero dps essentially so gl

[heady cliff]

F

[cobalt blade]

i think the only way its worth is conditionally off quartz flask?

and just dont get flask siphoned/ghost spirited

[karmic gust]

hmmmm

[opaque sphinx]

prob 2nd lab with azadi then

[humble citrus]

Okay guys need build ideas. Need it to be 3c or less, all ubers viable, one button, drop mirror first week

[dim gyro]

kinda wanna do a cheap smuggler cache atlas strat with how much it got buffed but feels like prices are gonna be down cuz of that buff

[lethal berry]

siphoning trap of pain

[karmic gust]

would be better than progen xd

if it capped me

lmao

[soft perch]

staff ye

[cobalt blade]

was thinking over the taste lol

[soft perch]

staves are rly buffed this patch

cuz of new accuracy clusters

[swift kestrel]

one thing i didnt really get, reliquarian is another ascendancy, or is it swapping ascendant out?

[karmic gust]

i think taste is actually stronger than progen there

because of pen

[tough cove]

the answer to all i want to do everything on low budget right now is HRoC

[lethal berry]

second ascendancy for scion, not replacing

[cobalt blade]

mmm maybe

the most dangerous pen is cold tho from shaper balls

[tight silo]

If tencent was forced to sell ggg, how would that affect the game?

[karmic gust]

yea i guess thats true

[hexed mountain]

Pyro mines too

[tough cove]

true mines are always there as well

[cobalt blade]

also afaik it doesnt negate generic pen from maps

[lethal berry]

literally no one could possibly know the answer to this

[heady cliff]

why everyone suddenly mentions pyro mines

[tough cove]

why would tencent be forced to sell ggg

[hexed mountain]

Maybe guardian too (4 stones sure, ubers idk)

[humble citrus]

reliquarian free astral projector

[opaque sphinx]

it would most likely get much worse

[tight silo]

Jonathan is probably really anxious rn

[crisp obsidian]

How do I skip time

[opaque sphinx]

tencent is incredibly hands off

[crystal talon]

GGG isn't a US company.

[karmic gust]

actually i should get max frenzy on gloves also instead of base crit

[lethal berry]

for what

[tough cove]

The better question is why would anyone want tencent to sell GGG since it would immediately get bought by a far far worse company

[heady cliff]

vodka

[hexed mountain]

Reliquarian has 3 nodes good with it

[crisp obsidian]

Ewww alcohol

[tough cove]

Like the sillyness among gamers over Tencent is stupid

[opaque sphinx]

other drugs work too

[lethal berry]

skill tree/passive trees are out

[tight silo]

There are some rumours about tencent being forced to sell off their stakes in gaming

[cobalt blade]

https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export/releases/tag/3.28.0 yo mirage tree out

time to check how the accuracy nodes at templar look

[deep shell]

anyone ever cleared all their remove only tabs in standard

[hexed mountain]

No

[tough cove]

Like of all the conglomerates in gaming they are by far the most handsoff

[opaque sphinx]

nope

[hardy heron]

Sleep

[heady cliff]

which one

[soft perch]

FINALLY

[tranquil umbra]

wuh

[opaque sphinx]

100%

[tranquil umbra]

is that the tree

[soft perch]

ok how do i look in any way shape or form

lul

[hexed mountain]

+2 aura / +2 proj /astral proj

[tight silo]

Yeah, they were honestly pretty good for poe

[final owl]

the average gamers understanding of the industry as a whole is up there with the average pigeons understanding of calculus

[heady cliff]

sounds very questionable

[hexed mountain]

Also pyro mine has charged mines imbued as complete 7L as its the same damage level 1

[tough cove]

the victaros node is actually nice

since its just free aura gem levels and reservation

[worthy cave]

It contributes to China's (read: the CCP's) economy, so that's BAD

[lethal berry]

these rumours are to divest from US studios, and GGG is a New zealand studio, not US

[heady cliff]

you mean good

[worthy cave]

No, it's bad.

[final owl]

lmao. Do you know who currently makes all of our stuff?

[hexed mountain]

Windmills kek

[worthy cave]

Very very bad.

[heady cliff]

very very good

[sage falcon]

what if im chinese

[worthy cave]

We don't want Winnie the Flu getting more $ to try and invade Taiwan.

[sage falcon]

[karmic gust]

you can just search the json right or just add to pob yourself i guess

[heady cliff]

yeah, we want Orange Man getting more $ to invade Iran instead?

[final owl]

alright, this is a spectacularly silly take, so thumbs up on that front I guess.

[hexed mountain]

Do you unironically think its money that stops them from going to taiwan?

[stray sedge]

What

[soft perch]

ya i wanna do number 2

[cobalt blade]

there u go

[worthy cave]

It could be one of the factors

[sage falcon]

how about let's not get into this anyway

pls and ty

[tranquil umbra]

😴

[soft perch]

holy thats good

[cobalt blade]

and that one

[tough cove]

Remember people, reading is good for you

[crystal talon]

We don't want gamers discussing politics in #1┃general. 7th layer of hell blunt rotation type shit

[cobalt blade]

this one is nuts wtf

[stray sedge]

[soft perch]

holy thats bad

[final owl]

I have a hot tip : having strong opinions about things you don't know anything about is silly.

[soft perch]

bait

[odd fox]

i can't read

[opaque sphinx]

u know one of the biggest factors of china having money is america owing them money right \

[soft perch]

conditional and not a super easy condition

[cobalt blade]

it scales with conc ground effect for inquis

[tough cove]

Im sorry that you cant read

[tight silo]

Oh ok, were safe

[tough cove]

I would suggest fixing that

[cobalt blade]

i plan on playing inquis

[soft perch]

it does but then youre inquis

[cobalt blade]

[hardy heron]

What if they're about PoE?

[karmic gust]

https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/blob/dev/RELEASE.md#skill-tree-updates

[final owl]

in this case it is encouraged.

[karmic gust]

see here

[hard cliff]

Hello

[tough cove]

I have strong opinions about poo2

[odd fox]

not being able to read is ok

[karmic gust]

pretty ez to add yourself

[heady cliff]

+2 aura / + 2 proj / tear of purity tbh

[coral summit]

found the saresh bloodline stuff

[worthy cave]

hi

[coral summit]

it's kinda neat

[hexed mountain]

Astral proj feels amzzing on pyro

[soft perch]

too many steps and things i dont understand

[crystal talon]

You have green name because you do it for me

[sleek ocean]

holy strike is interesting

[coral summit]

are we allowed to link stuff from the json

or no

[heady cliff]

hm

[soft perch]

i have to open .lua stuff

[heady cliff]

they gain targeting range?

[tough cove]

foulborns have some VERY expensive items

[cobalt blade]

if im reading this right the smalls have inc conc effect too holy shit

[tough cove]

that are universally useful or build enabling

[cobalt blade]

i like these

[heady cliff]

you still need the mine to trigger, no?

[hexed mountain]

Without it your mine shoots up and down on itself , with proj it auto targets. Its night and day for bosses and clear too

[soft perch]

thats pretty good

inquis gets a ton of accuracy

[tranquil umbra]

detonate mines is a gem

[cobalt blade]

yeea

[tough cove]

i dont even want to think of the price of foulborn witchbane jewel

[heady cliff]

okay, this is viable then

[cobalt blade]

actually makes accuracy playable on inquis now

[heady cliff]

but you are forced to play scion

ewwwwwwww

[hexed mountain]

Also its better than astral proj because item got reduced aoe and node has inc aoe

[worthy cave]

wghat's wronig with scion

[tranquil umbra]

fym eww

[final owl]

I am looking at slayer. And I am looking at brass dome + terminus est + purity. and I don't see it. Are you not just giving up overleech, phys reflect immunity and flicker QoL stuff for crit immunity and a bit of armor and max res? why do people think this is a good trade

[tough cove]

because people be silly

[hexed mountain]

Because its flicker playable in white maps

[tough cove]

its especially silly because eventually you grow out of tear of purity

[hexed mountain]

[molten hazel]

and freeing up your chest piece and gloves to be what ever you want vs having to run fur and cat on gloves

[opaque sphinx]

slayer has no frenzy gen, u cant play it flicker early really

[tranquil umbra]

why on gloves huh

[hexed mountain]

But you are locked out of bronn anyway since you use brass dome node

[opaque sphinx]

cuz ring mods are better than glove mods

[final owl]

how early is early? I'll admit I don't actually even remember when I swapped to flicker in keepers but it was pretty early..

[worthy cave]

sword mastery for single target, bloodrage for clear?

[opaque sphinx]

was it when u bought a terminus?

[final owl]

nah didn't use terminus at all

[karmic gust]

the new bloodline is necromantic

[opaque sphinx]

thats not remotely near enough to play flicker

[karmic gust]

or some shit

name

i think idk

[soft perch]

zaresh is a necromancer

[opaque sphinx]

so where did ur frenzy gen come from?

[hexed mountain]

Slayer with a terminus est weapon probably outdamage reliquarian with a rare early on (before you get 1K dps weapon)

[molten hazel]

why would you ?

[tranquil umbra]

oh yeah do we have the bloodline nodes

[soft perch]

if its another minion bloodline im crashing out

[hexed mountain]

Because if you dont you have an ascendancy with no damage AND no defenses. Thats kinda bad xd

Like actual meme build

[soft perch]

@karmic gust can u see the new nodes

[hardy heron]

Sick

18 Vruuns lessgo

[charred hornet]

Terminus est make you not locked in farrul and doesnt need to have the cat beast on your gear+1 more skill gem slot that not taken for less duration

Purity make you free 1 slot from overshroud gems and abyss belt,your boots

Idk about dome tho...but now you dont need end stacking for body armor crit immune
And getting physical reflect immune is not that hard too

[hardy heron]

Or is it 14?

[stray sedge]

WOOOOOOO JSON DATA LETS GOO

[molten hazel]

this was my attempt at making a build of it and ignore the low EHP the defensive layers cant be calculated correctly bye pob https://pobb.in/RbhA3GxA7qk9

[heady cliff]

Jason!

[noble sleet]

Do new patch notes come out everyday or something?

[tough cove]

i mean i would want end stacking anyway cause its a huge damage reduction layer when your stacking frenzies.

[karmic gust]

seck

sec

i need to position them

[hexed mountain]

Flicker feels horrible if you have mid or low dps because you flicker back to mobs who should be dead in one hit

[karmic gust]

on tree

[tranquil umbra]

MINION BLOODLINE WOOOOO

[karmic gust]

smh

i guess checking in json also works

[soft perch]

bro WHY IS IT ANOTHER MINION ASCENDANCY

FUCK OFFFF

[karmic gust]

but i wat to see pretty

[tough cove]

is it just one minion node or is it all of them minion nodes

[rancid sluice]

we already had cata why

[opaque sphinx]

what def layers are supposedly not being calced?

[lethal berry]

2 ascendancy points for LEVEL ONE CRUELTY

[hexed mountain]

Wait that node is legit free damage on holy strike

[final owl]

i have no idea what i did early tbh. just mark mastery later though

[hexed mountain]

They dont take daamge

[lethal berry]

it says damageable minions.

[soft perch]

thats good though

[hexed mountain]

Ah damn

[hybrid harness]

thats just srs

[lethal berry]

imbued gems.

[soft perch]

i lied

its not good

its only 15% more dam

[opaque sphinx]

no shot

[lethal berry]

level 1 cruelty is fucking terrible as an ascendancy lmao

[hardy heron]

Looks decent

[opaque sphinx]

with only mark mastery u cant remotely sustain flicker

[soft perch]

can bleed slams max stack cruelty on bosses

even with a level 1 gem

[hexed mountain]

Level 1 cruelty is 40% more dot if you hit hard tho

[crystal talon]

"Damageable Minions take 5% increased Damage for each second they have been alive,\nup to a maximum of 50%"```

[tough cove]

also free 15% more damage too

[hardy heron]

targeting wombgifts! I predicted correctly

[soft perch]

isnt that pretty good

[hexed mountain]

I mean 15% more is mid for 2 points

[tough cove]

The more important thing is whether lvl 1 cruelty gives duration tag to the skill regardless

[lethal berry]

sure but you're using 2 ascendancy points for it, so ig maybe bleed glad can take it for 15%

[final owl]

I am probably missing something. I had no trouble with frenzy charges. i mean. flicker is no fun if that is a problem obviously

[soft perch]

bleed glad probably isnt using a 2h

[opaque sphinx]

were u using farrul

[crystal talon]

[hexed mountain]

Bleed slam gets good value just dont run deadly ailment

[final owl]

nah just a +7 bronns

[lethal berry]

oh its literally only somewhat usable for 2 handers thats even worse

[opaque sphinx]

wild

[hexed mountain]

Underwhelming bloodline

[soft perch]

shrug level 1 cruelty is genuinely good for 2h bleed slams

[hexed mountain]

Yeah. And pretty much nothing else

[soft perch]

real

[lethal berry]

but you could also just get cruelty with an imbued gem.

[hexed mountain]

Who uses 2H

[soft perch]

u could also get another imbued gem

[crystal talon]

squire builds 24% more damage

[charred hornet]

Idk sounds decent since i play 2h dot last league

[soft perch]

what are u trying to say

[zealous pebble]

Not necessarily, 6 link one handers exist+ squire for more links

[real spoke]

chieftain + saresh bloodline + imbued gem + 6link weapon
10link memes

[karmic gust]

wtf is baryatic tension even

[soft perch]

shitty defiance

[charred hornet]

Chiefthain lvl 30 gem for body tho?

[karmic gust]

amazing

[elfin shale]

Chieftain is body armour and Saresh is weapon

[real spoke]

i forgor

[lethal berry]

-5 damage taken per baryatic tension (/s)

[karmic gust]

another hyperspecific bloodline sadge

[soft perch]

with a minion node

grrr

[karmic gust]

why does it even have minion node

like how many more

[molten hazel]

i honestly cant remember i just remember sitting in a call in this discord and theory crafting this and me and 3 others figured out that it was not calculating 25% of the defenses cant remember why tho

[noble sleet]

So that’s two shrines nerfed already right? Which one will they go after next

[soft perch]

echoing

[real spoke]

No shot echoing survives long lmao

[potent bramble]

Some of those gem names are real interesting... "Cast on Ward Break", "Lethal Dose"...

[molten hazel]

imagine echoing with the new nova skill XD

[noble sleet]

They talked about not adding certain ones altogether so if they’re doing that PLUS nerfing the exiting ones in preparation for th belt, that’s gonna be really lame

[hexed mountain]

They are killing all thz shrines to enable the belt. And next league it wont be droppable but the shrines will stay dead

Get pranked

[opaque sphinx]

yeah idk seems fine to me, it doesn't really have any unique def layers

[karmic gust]

its secret golden charlatan nerf

[real spoke]

I don't know why don't just add hidden text to the belt which nerfs the shrines or smth

[karmic gust]

obviously

[noble sleet]

Yeah… if they’re trynna hyper balance this belt, like don’t even release it, what’s the point lol. It would be nice for mage blood to get replaced for once

[hexed mountain]

Could have put 50% reduced shrine effect on belt

[zealous pebble]

Or just reduced effect of shrines as a mod on the belt

[final owl]

where is this shrine nerf info

[hexed mountain]

In patch update

[karmic gust]

latest update they nerfed rejuv shrine

[noble sleet]

What’s next resist shrine is gonna be 15% to all res and 5% to max res lmao.

[opaque sphinx]

y'all cracked lol, accel shrine + res shrine blows MB out of the water by a mile

[charred hornet]

Well tbh shrine used to be random and really limited with duration thats why they look strong...but now its itimized,then it took away the reason why they r that strong in the first place

[karmic gust]

look at mageblood thy will nerf all the shrines first before even touching the belt

[opaque sphinx]

its not a contested slot at that point

[molten hazel]

i would not mind if the belt became the end all be all of this league why cant they just let something be overpowered for a league

[opaque sphinx]

its a "mb is the new #2"

[final owl]

you would think they would have figured out what modifiers the new belt needed to have when they created it tbh.

[karmic gust]

i hope ppl understand the pathfinder struggles and why mb is bad designed item

xd

[noble sleet]

Dw they’ll both be nerfed before release

[lethal berry]

they literally said it was the last remaining unique balance item they had for this patch in the zizaran interview

[opaque sphinx]

thats literally a good thing

[final owl]

but apparently "shrine belt" was the entirety of the brilliant idea and they just thought "eh we'll sort out the balance part later" ? thats kinda wild.

[hardy heron]

They really want you to play guardian, huh?

[noble sleet]

🤦

[opaque sphinx]

why are you facepalming

do you not understand numbers

[worthy cave]

what does Templar astrolabe do

[hexed mountain]

Insane node

[lethal berry]

it's a random mechanic

[worthy cave]

So why use it

[final owl]

nobody benefits from grossly OP items being in the game

[lethal berry]

the one they showed was rogue exile

[hexed mountain]

40% acc and 15 aoe for one notable seems fair and balznced

[lethal berry]

the other 9 are targeted, templar is the mechanics that don't have a specific astrolabe

[worthy cave]

Fruiting = Harvest, Lightless = abyss, grasping = breach, nameless = ritual, fungal = blight, chaotic = ulti, enshrouded = deli ??, Timeless = legion, runic = exp

[opaque sphinx]

you realize nerfed shrines will make it competitive with MB, where as unnerfed makes it drastically stronger to the point MB is an afterthought

[hexed mountain]

It ruins 3.29 tho

[zealous pebble]

I mean mage blood needs to be nerfed tbf

[karmic gust]

i think MB being afterthought would be funny

[worthy cave]

Mageblood? No. Enkindling orbs? Yes.

[manic gust]

hey guys what build would you recommend to go do destructive play very early into the league ?

[molten hazel]

i want it to dwarf mageblood for 1s tho it has held the throne for to long

[opaque sphinx]

so if mageblood is too strong
and this belt is much stronger
why is this belt being nerfed, being considered a bad thing?

[hexed mountain]

Miner i guess

[worthy cave]

what ascendancies are good for miners?

[hexed mountain]

Because the belt isnt getting nerfed. The game is

[worthy cave]

Scion, Trickster, inquis?

[dusty mesa]

At least we have tides

[elfin shale]

Synthesis maybe?

[zealous pebble]

I didn't say it was? They both need to be balanced in someway

[opaque sphinx]

brother if u clicked shrines of EVERY single strat sure then i guess

[noble sleet]

See you get it dude.. I want a new item tht makes Mageblood look weak lol. Who tf isn’t existed about Giga busted shrines. You also can’t use any utility flaks, yall be acting like it’s just “free”

[hexed mountain]

Sabo is good too especially wih buffs

[manic gust]

im alrdy doing that in my practice run but i feel like its very squishy especially when doing all shaper guardians at once and chimera lol

[opaque sphinx]

the whole point of this convo is the dude bitching about it being nerfed

[hardy heron]

numbers are silly, but why does it have to only work with minions/party play?
What's the easiest way to get a tanky/unkillable minion with no investment?

[elfin shale]

Herald of Agony

[worthy cave]

tincture + instant life flasks

[zealous pebble]

Holy strike

[hexed mountain]

You haf shrines on a lot of shit by default because free nat monsters and just 8 points

[elfin shale]

Or Herald of Purity

[karmic gust]

true, look great on sabo, assassin and hiero

[opaque sphinx]

one shrine man

[noble sleet]

Still a pretty big downside cause you can’t use any unique or utility flask

[worthy cave]

compared to the upside of gigashrines?

[hexed mountain]

So many ways to have one minion. Including golem

[worthy cave]

+10 max res all is ginormous

[noble sleet]

So why did the mana shrine get nerfed of all things?

[lethal berry]

but you entire solve resistances, and max res, and an offensive stat of your choice

[worthy cave]

Probably something with mana stackers

[hexed mountain]

One by default too. And thats 4 shrine mods

[charred hornet]

I mean who cares if you cant use flask....infact its a better benefit since ritual bloodline exist,boom +1 ring now.
Even if they nerf the shrine it will still be good...i hope they do it so not everyone want to use it

[opaque sphinx]

brother out here getting mad over a shrine being nerfed and he prob had no idea what it did or what it's numbers were beforehand

[lethal berry]

because 25% mana regen a second is op?

[zealous pebble]

Also you're a guardian your first lab is sentinel of radiance which is pretty much unkillable until late yellow maps

[final owl]

i have a feeling the belt and / or shrines are going to get a mid-league patch regardless.

[noble sleet]

Resonating shrine also got nerfed lol

[hexed mountain]

Is it more OP than 90 max res or 175-250 defences

[hardy heron]

Main problem is that I want it for "not guardian" though

[opaque sphinx]

yes and ?

[noble sleet]

Omg nvm lmao

[brisk prairie]

how is this supposed to compensate for the removal of kirac map mod? kirac mod was 4 shrines, and scarab one is only +1 AND it uses a scarab slot and there is no shrines astrolabe?

[hardy heron]

And golems fall off late campaign/maps unless you invest in them

[opaque sphinx]

how much of ur enjoyment hinged on the power of the one shrine u got per map ?

[lethal berry]

well thats why they're exclusive with eachother, it would be insane to give the mana stackers 25% of the mana per second from 3 slots of gear

[opaque sphinx]

like really

this is such a pointless thing to be upset about

[hexed mountain]

You wouldnt get ONE shrine

[opaque sphinx]

and ik, im usually the king of getting upset over pointless shit

[hexed mountain]

You would get 2 to 3 without scarab

[cobalt blade]

5 shrine scarabs

[lethal berry]

templar astrolabe gives random league mechanic buff

[hexed mountain]

Thats between 4 and 6 mods and if you arent playing a quinn build its up most of the map

[hardy heron]

Actually, living lightning might work
On shield charge or smth

[noble sleet]

Not upset like that, I just don’t want them to nerf all the shrines for this belt lol. Idc about the damn shrines in maps, but that this belt looks busted asf and they’re trying to hype balance it or some of them may not even be on it all together

[cobalt blade]

yeah i dont like them nerfing the shrines cos theyll be broken just with the belt lol

[opaque sphinx]

or, they perhaps are balancing it because we just had phrecia which showcased just how powerful shrines are for so little invest ?

[hexed mountain]

The problem is the nerfs should be on belt not on shrined. Everybody pays for the belt even not wearing it

[brisk prairie]

so i need to fish templar astrolabe for my shitty shrine strat, got it......

[noble sleet]

You know we just aren’t gonna agree lol

[hexed mountain]

Nothing to do with phreciz oshabi wasnt even one of the most played

[final owl]

it does seem like an ass-backwards way to go about balancing the belt

[opaque sphinx]

it doesnt need to be the most played to be OP

[tough cove]

mana regen shrine is basically tailor made pre nerf to be absolutely 100% abused by a build that was strictly limited in how many mana it could regen

a build that might i add is already horrendously strong

[hexed mountain]

That way of nerfing would be like lowering res flasks to +2 max res because mageblood with enchant gets too much value

You see the issue?

[opaque sphinx]

exactly why there probably arent doing that

[noble sleet]

It’s like hey let it be broken lol. Didn’t tht say certain shrines are weighted so I can’t even imagine prices depending on how rare some combos are

[opaque sphinx]

and there's more to the story

[karmic gust]

well they did exactly that

to flasks

lul

[opaque sphinx]

like shrines being too strong

[tough cove]

theres also the MOM elephant in the room

[lethal berry]

they already nerfed flasks LMAO

[hexed mountain]

Yed and how is pf doing?

[lethal berry]

they used to be way stronger

[opaque sphinx]

still incredibly strong

[tough cove]

theyve nerfed flasks like 3 times

[worthy cave]

not really

[karmic gust]

no very well xd

[hexed mountain]

Name one PF build that isnt mamba or deathbeam forcing the asc

[opaque sphinx]

yes really

[worthy cave]

she has 4 functional ascendancy nodes, and one good starter build that overinfilates her poe.ninja numbers

[karmic gust]

PF is now basically stuck to single broken flask for proper defenses

whcih sucks

[tough cove]

pf is a great league starter but theres a reason that later in the league pf drops like a rock in terms of % of charactertsr

[karmic gust]

because GGG cant rly balance flasks and mageblood at same time for some reason

[hexed mountain]

Like if mamba nerfs were not reverted pf would be getting reworked next patch.

[charred hornet]

How can you nerf the belt and not the shrine lol? The number nerf wont cut it