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[sleek ocean]

New nova repeat +2

[grizzled lily]

ill start hierophant anyways

[bronze falcon]

Anyone still playing current league

[grizzled lily]

its standard league

[stoic horizon]

isnt projection terrible on shock nova?

[bronze falcon]

Hmm, logoff

[stoic horizon]

since you really want to hit with the ring

[civic charm]

I'm low-key kinda pumped to see ppl build out holy strike

I think it's gonna end up giga

[simple stag]

idk ive never played that doggy skill lul

[grizzled lily]

isnt it the

absolution-esk ability

[stoic horizon]

im gonna play it

[grizzled lily]

u stirke and then minions spawn

[sleek ocean]

Doesnt it target The mpuae?

Mouse

[civic charm]

Yeah and then minions shit on everything while you run around

And attack when you attack

[grizzled lily]

so basically

play it as absolution

and have a good day

[civic charm]

Sucks they don't inherit your strike range though

[grizzled lily]

nice

[stoic horizon]

ah right, then its only garbo on mines/totems

since these will just center it on the mob

[civic charm]

I think it's gonna be a better Dom blow for sure

[stoic horizon]

not entirely

[civic charm]

I also think it's gonna be best on a juggernaut or champ

[stoic horizon]

they attack when you do

so you scale minion damage and YOUR attack speed

[civic charm]

Instead of guardian

[stoic horizon]

guardian is definetly bait for it yeah

at least the holy flame node

[sleek ocean]

AT least holy strike is level so know early If its a meme

[grizzled lily]

funny that half of the bloodlines are minion related

[civic charm]

Imma pull it out on hillock and see

[grizzled lily]

there should be a combination there with the new skills introduced

[stoic horizon]

farrul bloodline sounds crazy for holy strike

[civic charm]

Jugg solves accuracy and tank.

[stoic horizon]

since you want attack speed anyway

[tough cove]

numerical holy strike looks at least halfway decent

[civic charm]

Champ solves accuracy and gives good tank with forti stacking.

[tough cove]

no attack speed reduction modifier and 392.3% base at 20

[stoic horizon]

i dont think accuracy is really needed much on it, depends if you need to actually hit or just swing for the minions

[tough cove]

which is way ahead of alot of other strikes

[stoic horizon]

if you need to hit you can just RT

[stoic horizon]

uhhhh

[hazy kiln]

base radius is 1.2m, distance between centres is 1.4m, they are indeed circles

[grizzled lily]

yea but doesnt templar have an accuracy node nezt to the start now?

[stoic horizon]

actually thats on lower end for strikes

[civic charm]

But you cant use the minion crit gem with RT

[tough cove]

not in terms of damage/damage effectiveness but in not having a negative attack speed modifier

[civic charm]

It does

[grizzled lily]

then just go

[real finch]

can rcm me absol guardian or absol necro .. i can't choose ...

[stoic horizon]

he always did

[grizzled lily]

guardian

[stoic horizon]

but now he has another one

[grizzled lily]

yea

[sleek ocean]

Ye but bo idea of The minions own damage

[grizzled lily]

guardian is so op guys idk

[civic charm]

How is guardian op lol

[sleek ocean]

And u will have to craft your own weapon

[grizzled lily]

the changes are great for guardian

[stoic horizon]

only sentinel is op for lvling

other than that guardian is mid at most

the new node is terrible, unless gc procs flame

[tough cove]

play slayer than come back to us with your opinion about whether guardian is op or not

[grizzled lily]

i did slayer runs today

with elehit

[sleek ocean]

Ha allow flame might not be that bad för guardian

[tranquil umbra]

if gc procs flame I'll be playing cyclone guardian

[grizzled lily]

whole screen oneshor is not okay for the game tbh

[stoic horizon]

it is bad with how it works

[sleek ocean]

We will see what The shallow flame cluster mod will do

[stoic horizon]

you hit, to buff ONE minion attack with 25% phys as extra fire

increased to like 35% with the support if you even want to use it

[hollow rose]

Question: They said that imbued gems count as just being part of the links on an item, so an imbued support affects an item with a built-in skill. BUT, does that also mean that CoC and CwC will benefit from having the imbued support on the triggered skill also affect everything linked to it? (including the triggering skill)?

[tough cove]

yes

[sleek ocean]

46% buff effect on suupport

[solid stratus]

i for one do not know how to be holy and pure so i shall be a witch once more

[karmic gust]

you can basically pretend you have real support socketed in whenever its socketed

[cerulean breach]

thanks!

[karmic gust]

and it willwork the same

[tough cove]

reliquarian looks sad for what i wanted to do so slayer it is unless i get gripped with a sudden urge to play mamba

[hollow rose]

Hmmm interesting, obviously cant have more than 1 per item, but thats neat

[unreal sand]

just wear your promise ring

[karmic gust]

i dont like the whole idea of reliquarian so i did not even tried to pob anything for it

[sleek ocean]

All ms in campaign then recpup trauma 😅

[pliant hamlet]

It doesn't have any of the fun uniques I want to build around

[tough cove]

i like the premise behind scav/reliq but i do not like the selection this league at all

too many generic sad uniques

[solid stratus]

i live in the trash, i am one with the trash

[karmic gust]

and even if it does next league it wont

[main osprey]

only thin i'm pobbing for reliquarian looks like bleed or wand

[karmic gust]

that is the part i dont likek at least

[solid stratus]

the trash is love, the trash is life

[main osprey]

sacred wib

[pliant hamlet]

No blunderbore, no gull, no explody wand, etc.

[elfin shale]

I got excited at Cadigan's but they didnt fix it

[karmic gust]

just trash build completely every league

and hope next league reliquarian is playable or not

[solid stratus]

i always trash build every league

[pulsar vault]

Reliquarian should have Legacy mod of Uniques

[tough cove]

unfortunately glad explode is probably better than lvl 30 jack the axe passive

[solid stratus]

i take my custom trash build to end of ruthless and then i'm done

[pliant hamlet]

If they add something im excited to play or can't regularly get in SSF and I want to build around, I'll absolutely play it. Otherwise, I get that. ATM I keep seeing people suggest things and my first response is "why not just play that on its normal ascendency?" - Mines are like the only exception because boy does sabo suck

[tough cove]

my trash build will be a poison spell assassin for kicks and giggles

[sleek ocean]

IMO The last ascensions is The least interesting

The jewellry

[pliant hamlet]

Astral is cool

[karmic gust]

sabo at least always makes you look at the ascendancy twice :d

because there are some interesting things there

[earnest raven]

Free astral

[tough cove]

i mean if your gonna nuke the uniques that much than reliquarian needs to come online starting at first lab instead of requiring 2 labs before you get anything

[pliant hamlet]

I miss when sabo was the mine/trap ascendency

[karmic gust]

but cant say im ever actually interested in clicking anything on occu or warden

[pliant hamlet]

i have no idea why anyones picking it lol

[pulsar vault]

Btw Reliquarian is very good with Hollow Palm, Level 30 purity of elements solves so many issues

[pliant hamlet]

OCCY POPS

[stoic horizon]

arcanist brand triggerbots memes

apart from that basically noone

[karmic gust]

occy pops arent even draw anymore

[pliant hamlet]

bruh if only we could get the mana reduction

I played it in standard briefly

[karmic gust]

with how slow and bad the rest of ascendancy is

[pliant hamlet]

that shit is so fun

too bad it costs around 18k mana/second

it's unfucking playable in league

[karmic gust]

hey

[stoic horizon]

also i think if traps were a real archetype sabo would see more play

[karmic gust]

thts solved now

get the new ammy

[pliant hamlet]

oh? how?

👀 what new ammy

[karmic gust]

and press laviagna

[tranquil umbra]

it's time for siphoning trap

[stoic horizon]

yeah not that

[karmic gust]

this

[pliant hamlet]

oooooo

wait

[stoic horizon]

i mean the new siphon trap doesnt look unplayable at least like its normal version

[pliant hamlet]

soulrend of spiral playable in league?

[tranquil umbra]

(occy is the best class for the new siphoning anyway because cold dot)

[pliant hamlet]

holup

[karmic gust]

with laviagnasits actually pretty sick

[pliant hamlet]

too bad it needs nimis but

fuck if i get nimis

I'm playing it lol

[karmic gust]

as that flask is rly good when its enduring in general lmao

and the add runegraft on top

for life recovery

and build solved

[pliant hamlet]

no kidding

that's hype

khatal's geyser + traitor + shrine belt + triple ring

👀

[stoic horizon]

add indigoon to also recover life from it

[pliant hamlet]

that entire build is solved

[stoic horizon]

and you golden

[karmic gust]

shrine belt cant have any flask up unfortunately

[pliant hamlet]

fuck

I forgot it works for life because insta life flask

[karmic gust]

well thats what therunegraft is for

as you technically dont have to go full mana build with it

[subtle forge]

dissolution, ez 😎

[karmic gust]

so no need for indigon

[pliant hamlet]

the build is so much eye cancer, I really want to play it lol

[cosmic raptor]

need new leg

[dusty mesa]

but see I want to do soulrend except I'd be using Occy

[tough cove]

remember you still get the bonus from flask effect even if you get arcane surge from a different source

[karmic gust]

just go tides instead morer life recovery

[dusty mesa]

I want to stay away from elementalist

[sleek ocean]

Have a feeling some mad man is gonna make a skeleton shrine build!

[pliant hamlet]

ooo true could just play tides

don't need traitor

good call

[karmic gust]

sadly skele shrine is apparently weird not rly real skeletons

so idk if thats even possible

[cosmic raptor]

did minions get nerfed?

[stoic horizon]

would be funny with dark pact

[karmic gust]

yea but doesnt work

[stoic horizon]

ye

[pliant hamlet]

yeah dark pact + skele shrine never worked afaik

[tough cove]

no im pretty sure minions got buffed

[karmic gust]

dont think so

[stoic horizon]

grok is getting nerfed

[pliant hamlet]

AG of smiting got buffed

idk if it solves its clear problem

but it definitely is a step in the right direction

[tough cove]

golem node for elementalist got nerfed a bit but spectres got a big damage buff and ag smiting got buffed

[sleek ocean]

Golem themself didnt really use much of The golem effect

[subtle forge]

I said that earlier lol

[pliant hamlet]

them buffing ag of smiting damage is hillarious

[tough cove]

yeah golemancer build really didnt get affected that mcuh

[pliant hamlet]

that skill was already hitting 100m dps on a budget that cna be counted in alteration orbs

[limpid prairie]

Is there a way to reduce your cool down reduction
I need reduced reduced cool down support

[pliant hamlet]

reduce it?

[cerulean breach]

I've gone ahead and added this information to the wiki so other people can discover it: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Glacial_Cascade_of_the_Fissure#Skill_functions_and_interactions

[pliant hamlet]

I don't think so?

That's super fringe

Why do you want longer CDs

[unborn shadow]

Does anyone know what the build is called where you teleport everywhere with lightning?

[pliant hamlet]

Lightning warp

[unborn shadow]

Or even the skill

[karmic gust]

mortal kombat

[unborn shadow]

ty!

[limpid prairie]

General's cry minions
I don't want to spawn them so fast cause static strike disappears

[karmic gust]

yw

[pliant hamlet]

I'm like 70% sure warcry cdr isn't tied to generic cdr

[karmic gust]

it is

[pliant hamlet]

really, I didn't know that

but either way, just have less warcry cdr?

[stoic horizon]

cooldowns are cooldowns

they just have their additional stat

[limpid prairie]

I was right! Cookie for me XD
Honestly was going to check

[karmic gust]

lvl 1 auomation

it has reduced cdr right

:d

[sleek ocean]

Yea

[karmic gust]

ez reduced cdr support

[limpid prairie]

Level 1 autoexert actually?

Wouldn't that help?

[karmic gust]

sure if it also has reduced cdr

or less cdr

[sleek ocean]

I kinda like the conc ground on cry support

[stoic horizon]

it doesnt

it only increases with levels but starts at 0

[limpid prairie]

At least I shouldn't level it cause it will increase the cool down reduction

[modern zinc]

what's up with frostblink of wintry blast? It's pretty much a walk substitute if you have enough cast speed?

a flamedash with no cooldown

[limpid prairie]

Exactly!

[crisp obsidian]

How useful would reduced cdr support be overall, like would only gen cry builds use it

[karmic gust]

yea i think that support is very good

like in general

[limpid prairie]

No

[karmic gust]

the downide on it is kinda lame

[subtle forge]

would the GC static strikers expire the moment they land their attacks?

[sleek ocean]

Easier to get interupted in the cast

[karmic gust]

but perma cons ground is very nice

[stoic horizon]

it has a chunky cast time so you really need good cast speed

[thorny forum]

the challenge tab is gone in the achievement menu , is it too late ? i thought it ended at the same time as the league 🥲

[modern zinc]

too lat

[karmic gust]

i needed something like that the other day too

[crisp obsidian]

Leag is over

[karmic gust]

but I dont remeber at all why

[crisp obsidian]

Maybe for the coc fr cwdt?

[karmic gust]

yea maybe

[pliant hamlet]

i haven't played gen cry in so long I don't even remember the mechanics.
iirc, they last for a short time, attack once or channel for .6s, then dissipate

[limpid prairie]

I need reduced reduced cool down reduction cause I'm using another trigger that needs cool down reduction
So general's cry is not liking it

[karmic gust]

its useful for aligning shit like thi

[pliant hamlet]

Idk how static strike works w/ gen cry

[thorny forum]

fuck my lazyness it was the first challenge reward i liked in a long time

[pliant hamlet]

have you tested it?

[crisp obsidian]

Would be nice if they added it

[subtle forge]

wtb a buff to intuitive link 😔

[karmic gust]

make it more intuiitive

[subtle forge]

:^)

[pliant hamlet]

When used with channelling skills, the mirage warriors will channel for 1 second oh they reverted it?

[limpid prairie]

What's that?

[pliant hamlet]

how has gen cry bflurry not come back into the meta?

[subtle forge]

make it dex/int and tank the damage penalty and cd

[pliant hamlet]

general's cry, im reading up on it now

I played it til they nerfed it to .6s

[subtle forge]

it kinda has

jungroan league-started it in Keepers IIRC

[full lava]

how to get the farrul bloodlines?

[pliant hamlet]

Supported Skills now deal 60% less Damage at gem level 1 (previously 45%), scaling to 51% at gem level 20 (previously 36%). oh holy shit, they gutted this in 3.25

[sleek ocean]

They made it super easy to get gems in the lab now right?

[sleek ocean]

Kill farruls

[stoic horizon]

jung played it i think in keepers or mercs

[subtle forge]

tbf that was in conjunction with every melee skill getting its damage doubled/tripled

[crisp obsidian]

It is meta starter

[stoic horizon]

its extremally powerful but clunky

[sleek ocean]

Its a beast boss

[pliant hamlet]

I played it a fair bit

it's one of the strongest builds I've played lol

hit around 350m dps

[limpid prairie]

Can't automate corpses for bossing I don't think
So two button build

[crisp obsidian]

But one of the clunkiest too right

[elfin shale]

No, its identical unless your gem has multiple trans gem outcomes

[pliant hamlet]

not really, not when you have that much dps

I was killing on a 1L cyclone

it wasn't like flicker-tier clear or anything

[subtle forge]

you can use aukuna's will and have a bunch of zombies for it, if you're up for that

[pliant hamlet]

but it was good

[subtle forge]

then it becomes a walking simulator lol

[elfin shale]

Corpsewalk if you're not a coward

[sleek ocean]

I get same type but alt right?

[wary slate]

been trying to make a practice run for the last 2 days. game is just unplayable due to lags
anyone experienced the same?

[dim gyro]

man i need the atlas passive tree to come out. I wanna plan some new atlas strats. needa see what new breach nodes do

[stoic horizon]

aukuna's just calls for dd in your face

[elfin shale]

100% more walls, 5% increased mob density

[pliant hamlet]

WTD gave me shit for years for saying 1l cyclone at 3m dps was fine clear lol

[subtle forge]

lol

[sleek ocean]

White monsters dont require much afterall

[pliant hamlet]

I stand by saying once it's stacked gen cry bflurry's clear is fine at high levels

[stoic horizon]

lmao wtf lance named his oldest kid lance 💀

[pliant hamlet]

who

armstrong?

[stoic horizon]

captainlance

mr energy blade

[pliant hamlet]

Oh I've heard that name

someone called me a captain lance fanboy because I liked eblade lol

[subtle forge]

mr rathpith

[sleek ocean]

He has made so many eb builds and starters lately haha

[pliant hamlet]

If you can get past the jank, eblade is such a strong skill. I'm surprised it took so long to get nerfed

[stoic horizon]

if you see traitor + coruscading in a pob you gotta double check if its not lance

[stoic horizon]

ye played eb eow mines in phrecia

[pliant hamlet]

isn't that..literally every ivory tower build?

[worthy cave]

Wait guys...all the new supports, they're exceptional, right?

So we can't +1 them with the runegraft?

[pliant hamlet]

like the builds are the exact same lol

[sleek ocean]

Foulborn ghostwrith is an item he abuses in league start

[unreal elk]

Are the Fatal Flourish (Duelist hidden ascendancy node) Forbidden Flesh / Flame jewels usually expensive? They don't show up on PoE Ninja for some reason.

[crisp obsidian]

Correct

[worthy cave]

IIRC they're super expensive

[stoic horizon]

very

[stone tundra]

Chains of command ignore every map mode?

[worthy cave]

EWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[pliant hamlet]

ivory tower, shaper's touch, crown of inward eye, rathpith, traitor, coruscating elixir

[crisp obsidian]

Click the low variance or w/e thikg

Thing*

[pliant hamlet]

welcome to every ivory tower build lol

[crisp obsidian]

Red text on the right

[unreal elk]

Oof, thanks.

[stoic horizon]

yep thats 3/4 of his pobs

[karmic gust]

so the support gem level ammy wont work either then, super lame

why give scaling to new supports who needs it anyway

[subtle forge]

Any info yet on the new gems?

[sleek ocean]

Energy blade and foulborn ghostwrithe is how he will league start

[crisp obsidian]

Yep sadly, but I think thats fine I think we will use 1-2 mac

Max*

[stoic horizon]

all new non exceptionals were released yesterday

[crisp obsidian]

I think the supports wont need scaling

[karmic gust]

well its more about making build around the toad shit

[pliant hamlet]

I saw someone doing eblade foulborn ghostwrithe on a life stacker AW build

[stoic horizon]

as for exceptionals nah

[karmic gust]

and other garbage

right

[pliant hamlet]

looked interesting

[crisp obsidian]

E.g. they have set effects

That can't be increased

[subtle forge]

and the exceptionals are still under wraps

[onyx adder]

Somebody mentioned toads

[sleek ocean]

Yea gw overwrites the eb debuff

[crisp obsidian]

Oh yeah toads and voidstorm

I guess

[onyx adder]

I HEARD EM

[crisp obsidian]

Sad for em

[hazy kiln]

While we'll leave the majority of Exceptional Supports for you to discover in the game at launch, we'll tease some of them soon.

[stoic horizon]

they wont reveal all before release, just a few

[unreal elk]

I was thinking that Fatal Flourish would be really nice with the new Kinetic Fusillade of Detonation, but OMG THAT PRICE LOL

[pliant hamlet]

nuu beat me to it viper

[hazy kiln]

sorry lol

[pliant hamlet]

you dare tread on flicker grounds

[night fulcrum]

noob question, by killing enemies; a normal monster grants 1 charge, a magic monster grants 3.5 charges, a rare monster grants 6 charges, and a unique monster grants 11 charges.[1] Monsters in acts 6 to 10 generate fewer flask charges and monsters in maps generate even fewer still.
Does this give charge for ONE flask or the same amount to all ?

[sleek ocean]

Only from uber

[stoic horizon]

blame the 3 people who play blade trap

[pliant hamlet]

Flicker, where money goes to die

[unreal elk]

Cant argue there lol

[worthy cave]

Hey viperesque, is it intended for all the exceptional supports to not be upgradeable by the runegraft of gemcraft?>

Because all the awkaened gems were upgradeable

This feels like a bit of a stealth nerf.

[pliant hamlet]

awakened gems were also level 5/6 cap

hard to call it a stealth nerf when we don't know what most of em do yet

[worthy cave]

Oh, are these new exceptionals 1-20?

[pliant hamlet]

1-3

[worthy cave]

Because eclipse was a lvl 3 max

ah

[karmic gust]

for the boring ones they were stronger than awakeneds anyway

at least the ones we've seen

as baseline

[worthy cave]

oh

[sleek ocean]

I kinda like how they are balancing eclipse support.

[worthy cave]

I also want to see the new runegrafts

[pliant hamlet]

I'm definitely holding out to see what the gems look like in-game

[worthy cave]

I don't understand eclipse

it's far less powerful in most cases than empower

but has a LMFAO stat req

[sleek ocean]

You can have both

[worthy cave]

Sure, but what skill wants to have just one more lvl and a little quality?

[crisp obsidian]

Ye

[pliant hamlet]

I think eclipse is gonna care about what it's level 4/5/6 versions are

[subtle forge]

not that much power between level 5 and 6 for awakened gems tbh

[crisp obsidian]

Less less dmg etc

[worthy cave]

If it's the quality you're after, might as well socket enhance there

[karmic gust]

just boring uses

like auras

etc

[sleek ocean]

Its reservation aswell

[worthy cave]

O_o

got a screenshot of it?

[subtle forge]

enlighten still has a big gap between 3 and 4

[pliant hamlet]

https://preview.redd.it/your-guess-on-eclipse-support-levels-v0-crf87aos73mg1.png?auto=webp&s=d781388d16bb784f84aaeff2fe97d87f156dc623

[worthy cave]

How much reservation?

[modern zinc]

I'm so very excited for the new league

[worthy cave]

Oh, so it's a little bit of an enlighten as well

[sleek ocean]

But 273 all attributes means its not for everyone

[pliant hamlet]

I want to know what eclipse lv 6 is going to have

[worthy cave]

I...still don't get this then. Most auras are just aoe on quality

[split maple]

Ig removing awakened gems fixes that bug that this runegraft didn't apply to awakened fire damage when socketed in archdemon crown

[karmic gust]

you dont give a shit aobut the quality there

just the extra level

in item that has +lvl to socketed gems on it as well already

[pliant hamlet]

it's +1 level and 6% rmr

[worthy cave]

At the cost of a ton of reservation efficiency?

[cobalt blade]

o ye i forgot that runegraft exists thats a bit pain

[worthy cave]

I feel like you go for enlighten long before this thing

[pliant hamlet]

Eclipse is gonna easily slot anywhere you just have an extra socket

[karmic gust]

well its not gonna easily slot anywhere

[pliant hamlet]

things that REALLY care about one of those 3 stats love it too

[worthy cave]

Sure, but anywhere you socket eclipse, one of the empower/enhance/enlighten is far better

[karmic gust]

its just for very spefiic builds that also have the stats :d

[sleek ocean]

And 273 all attributes

[worthy cave]

yeah

like that is a SUPER-specific gem

[split maple]

Supreme ostenation stonks

[dim sonnet]

are we there yet ?

[pliant hamlet]

I was thinking that too lol

[split maple]

Or omni :p

[cobalt blade]

I feel like the only thing its gonna be used for is quality stacking

[pliant hamlet]

I play so many stat stackers though 273 all stats isn't even a consideration for most of my builds

[worthy cave]

Also, can we just compare fatal flourish (outright 30% more damage with bigger upside for ignites/bleeds) to how awful Fury of Nature is (prolif non-damaging, +100% more effect of non-damaging)

[fossil mural]

Is eclipse the qual and level gem?

[cobalt blade]

Same i forgot the average build only gets to the 155 they need for grace/determ

[sleek ocean]

Natural templar will have hard time geting that dex

[pliant hamlet]

and reservation

[cobalt blade]

qual lvl and reservation

had 94% cost mult

[worthy cave]

How many multistat stackers tho?

[pliant hamlet]

true

[worthy cave]

It's one thing to pump one stat, it's another to pump all 3

[pliant hamlet]

i play ssf, i use astramentis

[worthy cave]

O_o

well that has a massive opportunity cost

[cobalt blade]

This happens naturally when your going large clusters

[worthy cave]

Also, this support gem has a massive opp cost as far as tattoos go

[cobalt blade]

And reflected helicals

[worthy cave]

ah right

You find mists in SSF?

[pliant hamlet]

A few

[cobalt blade]

my stat stackers in trade usually end up around the 300-500 att marks

[pliant hamlet]

Locks are the bigger...lock

[onyx adder]

If u have 273 all stats naturally because ur a stacker surely u almost always want this gem

The only reason not to is socket pressure

[worthy cave]

Socket pressure is indeed painful

SPeaking of socket pressure, all the mark on hit players just got a huge buff

[cobalt blade]

idk theres not alot of skills stackers use now that want the qual i can think of

[worthy cave]

the coins basically target a mod

[fossil mural]

Its not even that crazy no?

[cobalt blade]

post eblade nerf otherwise wouldve been bis there

[pliant hamlet]

rmr

[worthy cave]

red coin on mark -> use HP for casting

[fossil mural]

Like the reservation is probably the best part lol

[worthy cave]

green coin on mark -> mark on hit

[tribal vortex]

guys which build is that?

[fossil mural]

Unless you want quality bad

[worthy cave]

so anyone with a mark on hit setup just got a free gem socket

[onyx adder]

U get an extra level and 94% mana multi on two auras thats pretty strong

[worthy cave]

that's kind of a nice bit of "borrowed" power

[pliant hamlet]

How much is corrupted +1 level awakened enlighten?

[worthy cave]

Would rather have enlighten there

[onyx adder]

Versus just the enlighten effect on an extra one

[pliant hamlet]

use both

[worthy cave]

Your arm, leg, and first born 😛

[sleek ocean]

Like 2 mirrors or so

[onyx adder]

mate ur allowed to use both this is everyone's point

[cobalt blade]

i feel like the auras/reservations i run on stat stackers dont rly benefit from the lvl and the reserve isnt enough to fit in an extra aura

[worthy cave]

is it worth alva'ing awakened enlighten?

[fossil mural]

I usually just dont run guard skills and get 2 links with enlighten

[merry agate]

I wish voltaxic burst would stick to the triggerbots

[cobalt blade]

always

You have higher odds to go 5

and gems cant poof

[worthy cave]

Basically, is it economically viable LMAO

Like is it +EV?

[cobalt blade]

technically yes

[fossil mural]

Uncorrupt gems at max level cost a lot

[worthy cave]

Though the up-front investment is OOF

[cobalt blade]

but that technically yes is going mirrors deep

[fossil mural]

There is 0 reason

To go for normal vaal

[cobalt blade]

you lvl them urself with beast craft even with nerfed one its gonna end up being cheaper than buying lvled

[worthy cave]

basically I'm thinking is it a way to print mirrors to just buy up a bunch of awakened enlightens -> level them -> alva them

[cobalt blade]

yep if you can handle the upfront cost

[worthy cave]

ah

[cobalt blade]

People do it every league lol

regular enlightens too

[pliant hamlet]

if you're going for big boy gambles, be ready for dry streaks

you will get them

[onyx adder]

Yer

Leveling gems isnt cheap

Either costs ton of money or ton of time

[fossil mural]

They still need to be not corrupted, and beasts arent free

[pliant hamlet]

you're paying 100-300d per gem + another few divine in leveling or a few hours of time, then you're going for a..what..1/6? 1/4? idk what alva's rates are

[cobalt blade]

obviously were talking about templing them

Why would you buy corrupted lmao

[sleek ocean]

Why alva it? Higher chance for +1 or?

[modern zinc]

they are if you kill them yourself

[pliant hamlet]

yeah higher chance to +1

[cobalt blade]

because its 2 1/4's instead of 1

[fossil mural]

Ever heard of opportunity cost

[cobalt blade]

and you dont care about - qual

[modern zinc]

I don't believe in that

[sleek ocean]

Generals cry can be a solid 8 link 😅

[modern zinc]

I'd rather believe in it's better to have a bird in your hand than 2 in the sky

[pliant hamlet]

6/23 what's the math here

[fossil mural]

Just because you farmed something doesnt mean its free

[fossil mural]

Lobotomyte view at the world, sorry

[sleek ocean]

Gen cry with auto can be a natural 9 link 😅

[fossil mural]

How about 12 link

[sleek ocean]

Require more

[stoic horizon]

18 link?

[zealous pebble]

And a squire

[worthy cave]

btw guys, can frost blades be played as a trinity setup?

[zealous pebble]

Yes

[stoic horizon]

yes, but dont play frost blades

[sleek ocean]

Since its 3 skill gems.. you can get +1 supports on them

[worthy cave]

heh

[fossil mural]

13 is max I think? 6 mods, 3 links twice + coin

[worthy cave]

I mean frost blades is better than lightning strike at this point, no?

[pliant hamlet]

Can alva gem double corrupt hit +1 gem level and -gem level at the same time? No right?

[stoic horizon]

no

[sleek ocean]

Gen cry can be a 10link in chest

[cobalt blade]

no if it rolls qual or gem it then rolls +1 or -1 and it cant pick the same outcome twice

(and -10+10 for qual)

[worthy cave]

I just wonder what the best slayer/warden strike skill is

maybe it's one of the new holy ones

use a 1H mace 😛

[sleek ocean]

11 cry with con chest and 12 link with tukohamas war herald

[fossil mural]

Ambidex

[worthy cave]

nice meme 😛

[pliant hamlet]

So it's 1/4 + 1/3 to hit gem, then half that to hit +1 level, so 7/24 ?

[fossil mural]

Still less than squire

[sleek ocean]

Gen cry can be like 18 linked there?

15

12 from weapon 3 in squire

[onyx adder]

No

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-19451148

[sleek ocean]

Auto exertion atm only has 1 red gem it can get

[pliant hamlet]

lol apparently it's 1/4

[onyx adder]

It is

[stoic horizon]

ambidexterity, or dual strike of momentum if you plan on standing still for the whole fight

[sleek ocean]

1 green gem and 0 blue gem

[worthy cave]

ambidex can't use a shield >_<

that's kind of a big downside for warden

[stoic horizon]

oh also ele hit

[sleek ocean]

Btw who was the guy that wanted less cdr on his gen cry?

[split pagoda]

why even play warden lol

[stoic horizon]

playing warden is a downside ngl

[fossil mural]

Just play glad

[onyx adder]

U cant just add 1/4 to 1/3 like that, the 1/3 only happens 3/4 of the time when u didnt hit the 1/4 the first time

[worthy cave]

man people REALLY hate warden lmao

[stoic horizon]

she deserves it

[worthy cave]

just goes to show how godawful the borkskin route is

[cobalt blade]

no it always happens

[onyx adder]

So its (1/4+(1/3x3/4))×1/2

[fossil mural]

Happens when you are shit

[cobalt blade]

if you hit no change it discards no change from the outcomes

[worthy cave]

the tincture route is great

oath of winter is great

[sleek ocean]

Puting a green coin on auto exertion will give it 24% reduced cooldown

[stoic horizon]

but then you have to use tinctures 💀

[onyx adder]

U dont just add the probabilities like that

[cobalt blade]

yea im just saying that the 1/3 always happens

Its not a 3/4 chance to get the 1/3

[onyx adder]

Otherwise if there was a hypothetical vaal 4 times u would end up with like 200% probability

[cobalt blade]

Which is what yous said

[onyx adder]

Thats how the math works with his logic

[cobalt blade]

i didnt say they got it right :p

[fossil mural]

Math is math

[stoic horizon]

teaching math in this chat is torture

[fossil mural]

Maybe hell be the person to discover wormholes

[onyx adder]

The 1/4 missing is the one where u hit the first time

Not the one where u brick

[stoic horizon]

reminds me when one dude couldnt grasp how multiplicative scaling works

[onyx adder]

Because as u said if u hit an outcome u cant hit it again

[stoic horizon]

and then said its bad game design

[fossil mural]

And said its bad design?

[stoic horizon]

[sleek ocean]

only thoes 2 gems can support auto

[onyx adder]

So hence (1/4+1/3×3/4)×1/2 =1/4

[sleek ocean]

that red coin is spicy

[fossil mural]

Whats the alternative? Just add all % together?

Or no

That would still need flat

Just have flat damage

[pliant hamlet]

I just can't wrap my head around statistics, even with an explanation of it infront of me lol

[fossil mural]

On all gear

[onyx adder]

I prefer to think of it as 1-the odds of bricking

[pliant hamlet]

apparently I'm not alone, 'cuz googling gave me 5 different wrong answers

which is quite funny to me

[leaden gust]

you either succeed or you dont succeed so 50/50

[fossil mural]

GGG being the chads they are made double corrupting in poe2 actual 50/50

So when someone asks the odds

It sounds like you are trolling

[worthy cave]

20% reservation is oof tho

[covert otter]

will rathpith be omega expensive this league?

[fossil mural]

Possibly

[onyx adder]

Odds of bricking are 1/8 (hit -levels the first time) + (3/4×5/6) which is the odds that u didnt hit levels at all the first time x the odds that u dont hit level up the second time

[cobalt blade]

ah i see your saying the 3/4 is the times you hit level on the first one but it goes down yeah okay i was not following there my bad :p

[fossil mural]

Cold dot making a comeback

As well

[sleek ocean]

are you selfcasting it?

[onyx adder]

Which is 1/8 + 5/8 = 3/4

So u have 1/4 odds to hit

[cobalt blade]

Yeye

[onyx adder]

Thats cleaner in my head but their way works too

Their math was just wrong

[fossil mural]

Btw has anyone looked at that new bleed amulet

[sleek ocean]

ok then green coin also work

[cobalt blade]

i have a decent understanding of statistics but only when im more awake

[onyx adder]

Theres a bleed amulet?

[haughty bloom]

is fubgun using

[fossil mural]

They showed bleed and surge amulets

And surge one has already made like

[sleek ocean]

only green gems for gen cry

[astral shadow]

Well its techically same as in poe1, just poe2 removed 2 other options that can happen when double corrupting thats why its 50% chance to succeed

[fossil mural]

20k mana recovery builds

While the bleed amulet

Is unplayable

[sleek ocean]

hiting second wind reduces cd with 24%

[cobalt blade]

for gen cry youd corrupt your skill on it

not gen cry itself

[pliant hamlet]

oh im stupid. 1/4 + (1/3 * 1-1/4)
the 1- 1/4 is just to eliminate when the 1/4 hits

makes sense o7 ty lol

[fossil mural]

Or just

Use a calculator

[dim sonnet]

-30% from the removal of woke supports is rough

[leaden gust]

you know fub will play a janky bowbuild offscreening 3 miles because a monster farting in his area code will kill him

[cobalt blade]

Or just always win and claim its 100% odds to hit

[hard cliff]

So it's limit 1 lvl 1 support imbue per item slot?

[pliant hamlet]

and do what with it 😛

[fossil mural]

Yes

[sleek ocean]

what you mean here xD

[candid moon]

I'm genuinely perplexed seeing this amulet being used on Impending Doom build

what the f

[fossil mural]

Calculate

[cobalt blade]

Lets say your running gen cry blade flurry

[hard cliff]

do they have to be level 20?

[cobalt blade]

Youd put the gem on blade flurry because its more damage

[fossil mural]

Yes

[hard cliff]

oh boy

thank you!!!

[fossil mural]

Mana sustain is rough

[sleek ocean]

forgot only 1 imbued in a slot

[cobalt blade]

since yknow the entire thing with gen cry is triggering an attack

[leaden gust]

i wish the support you can add to a skill rolled a random lvl and not just lvl1 and that you could still corrupt to 21. that would make it actually good and fun

[onyx adder]

[cobalt blade]

ye i see

[fossil mural]

No that would just make it mandatory

[sleek ocean]

rip no 15 link

[fossil mural]

As is its an alternative

[candid moon]

surely they thought that they get added chaos dmg?

[fossil mural]

Which is whats actually fun

[pliant hamlet]

god imagine it wasn't limited. 8L Coc naturally

[fossil mural]

When you put no limits shit becomes boring

[cobalt blade]

personally dont like that alot of spells wont even care for the +1 link since +1 level is better if your not something like archmage or eblade

[pliant hamlet]

mfa would go crazy

[leaden gust]

that would be fine

[cobalt blade]

also no vaal skills

[fossil mural]

Nah, people use it for resource sustain

[fossil mural]

No?

[candid moon]

wild

[cobalt blade]

(as someone who enjoys vaal smite/vaal ls)

[sleek ocean]

if it was easier to make it build arround line 1 instead of the mana cost

[fossil mural]

Mana on spell casters sucks

[cobalt blade]

oh actually i just realized a use case for eclipse smite+aura+empower+eclipse in march of the legion

[pliant hamlet]

if imbued weren't limited, couldn't you make disgusting MFA setups

[cobalt blade]

actually kinda relevant extra lvl

[onyx adder]

It also makes the mana requirements rough in many cases to the point where even if the lv1 support gem is numerically better u prefer the +1

[fossil mural]

Youd be able to do disgusting everything

[cobalt blade]

yeah extra *1.3 on your cost is a bit rough

or whatever gem cost you hit

[fossil mural]

Just imbue no cost multi gems

[pliant hamlet]

we got infinite mana tech this league tho

[fossil mural]

4head

[cobalt blade]

attacks dont care ofc since mana leech is op

[pliant hamlet]

so it's fine

[fossil mural]

Surely wont get nerfed

[sleek ocean]

all the cost muli!

[pliant hamlet]

what would they nerf about it?

[fossil mural]

Also still shocked at how bad the counter part is

[fossil mural]

Anything?

[pliant hamlet]

it eats your amulet + you have to click a flask every 5s

[cobalt blade]

youd scale flask duration for sure

[pliant hamlet]

I don't think they're gonna mid-league nerf laviangas

[dim sonnet]

i really hope the exceptional gems are actually good because losing 30% damage is rough

[cobalt blade]

hitting it every 5 seconds is unplayable

[astral shadow]

Anything hyped up = "bugfixed"

[karmic gust]

well luckily the best mana flask meds also give bunch of flask duration :d

[cobalt blade]

why are you still a dot build at this point just go full hit based

[karmic gust]

nice 3s flask

[pliant hamlet]

I just really doubt mid-league nerfs on shit like this

[fossil mural]

Less button presses

[cobalt blade]

the horror

[fossil mural]

Wdym mid league

It hasnt started

Lmao

[dim sonnet]

i mean the extra damage is nice

[hoary scarab]

fuck buildguides, imma play my 3m uber dps squishy poison static strike of gathering build

[split maple]

Go for 40% cmon

[pliant hamlet]

You think it's got enough attention to get hit?

[karmic gust]

idk why lavianga recovers more mana than magic flask its actually very weird

[pliant hamlet]

viper hide your eyes pls

[sleek ocean]

is the new amu any mana flask`? 🤔

[karmic gust]

why is it strronger smh

[split maple]

Don't skimp out on flask

[hazy kiln]

ok

[dim sonnet]

and saying im playing poison storm brand is funny

[cobalt blade]

youd prob get higher damage converting all your dot scaling to hit no?

[pliant hamlet]

Lol

[fossil mural]

Nerf everything to the ground

[hoary scarab]

viper, make assassin great again

thanks

[karmic gust]

its not even that good it just looks funny in pob

[fossil mural]

Again?

[karmic gust]

mostly becase the main archetype it supports is pretty garbage

[astral shadow]

Ggg still have 2 days to nerf every fun

[hoary scarab]

yes

[karmic gust]

but thats just mom holding everything down xd

[cobalt blade]

the better route is just equipping replenishing shrine belt :D

[dim sonnet]

no since im out of scaling

[pliant hamlet]

Yeah i really don't think it's going to be broken. It's gonna enable sabo arcanist brand

which is exciting

but that's like it

[dim sonnet]

atleast unless i take off the defense

[cobalt blade]

huh

[crisp obsidian]

you know you are gonna get it nerfed before launch

[dim sonnet]

but i like having my 1.3mil ehp

[gritty epoch]

Teaser any time now

[karmic gust]

it can actually enable pf defenses everywhere which is somewhat exciting if you ignore the mana part and losing amulet slot

[fossil mural]

I hope they buff the life flask version as well

[cobalt blade]

ehp 💀

[sleek ocean]

kinda disgusting

[cobalt blade]

aaa you arent even 90 max

[pliant hamlet]

Giving up a flask on PF and your amulet sounds very expensive

[astral shadow]

Phys max hit 40k

[karmic gust]

not on PF

[fossil mural]

Look at the life version

[zealous pebble]

Don't need ehp when everything is dead

[karmic gust]

on other ascendancies with PF defenses

[pliant hamlet]

ahhh fair

[worldly bridge]

cleaned up my stash finally

[pliant hamlet]

I still don't want to click a flask every 5-8 seconds lol

[worldly bridge]

four tabs of idols

[sleek ocean]

ye but free of manacost!

[karmic gust]

like you can do this on every build basically i think

[cobalt blade]

fuckin glad setups that are in constant 1 shot territory in actual content

[worldly bridge]

thats all i hav e in remove

[karmic gust]

well every life build

ignore the ring

[astral shadow]

Try that in simu or ulti

[karmic gust]

but amulet belt and the flasks

[dim sonnet]

i like to get lvl 100 while posting cat memes on ruetoo chat

[worthy cave]

caster pathfinder?

[dim sonnet]

so i do need the defense on top of the brand playstyle

[worthy cave]

since she stacks a ton of flask effect?

[fossil mural]

Bro I recently watched like 1k life glad clear t16s while zooming

[worthy cave]

20 from innates, 25 from tides

[fossil mural]

Shits not okay

[worthy cave]

and then other stuff too

[pliant hamlet]

lucky block?

[dim sonnet]

last league i didnt die since the end of week 1

[cobalt blade]

immortal until 1 shot ™

then you risk into reduced block and its all 1 shot

[worthy cave]

Oh waiut

CAN'T USE LIFE FLASKS

[zealous pebble]

I have done sim but that was in a spark Inquisitor and aurabot duo

[fossil mural]

Just press guard skill

[cobalt blade]

surely saves you

[fossil mural]

Indigon or the runegraft

Its not a problem

[worthy cave]

true but mana flasks also recover very little mana

[karmic gust]

they dont actually

only enduring mana flasks recover very little mana

[cobalt blade]

only with enduring you dont need enduring on it

yea

[sleek ocean]

quite a few cool mana flasks

[astral shadow]

Anything fun getting posted here will get nerfed by leaguestart btw

[worthy cave]

1400/5

[cobalt blade]

+20% from qual

[fossil mural]

I hope so. Maybe by comparison the sword wont look as dogshit

[worthy cave]

divine mana is 320/sec

[zealous pebble]

Lol just saw they fixed the autoexertion and aggroance bug, carn in shambles I bet

[sleek ocean]

mana flask stacking!

[worthy cave]

divine life is what...600 or so?

[cobalt blade]

Also consumes half the charges

[pliant hamlet]

every clip I see is just carn whining for 5+ minutes

he seems very upsetti about this league lol

[cobalt blade]

i love watching carns crashouts

[fossil mural]

Fucking tourists runing it all!

[karmic gust]

he is upset about everything thats even remotely related to him

[sleek ocean]

the neck should also affect
Divination Distillate right=

[zealous pebble]

Because GGG hates melee

[karmic gust]

not even this league specific xd

[cobalt blade]

baseg hating the current best archetype

[fossil mural]

Average poe player

[pliant hamlet]

aren't most people thinking this league is going to have one of the most bonkers melee builds ever?

[astral shadow]

Energy blade is melee weapon so lets nerf it

[cobalt blade]

its a life flask because hybrid

so ithink its just unuseable

[zealous pebble]

It was nerfed

[karmic gust]

yea hybrids always count as both

[sleek ocean]

right!

[cobalt blade]

like take master surgeon it makes the life part of the effect permanent

As an example

[worthy cave]

oh wait

[fossil mural]

Nah, just stack life

[worthy cave]

regular Lavianga's with that amulet

[astral shadow]

Not enough, content creator posted vid his build better than before

[zealous pebble]

For e blade?

[fossil mural]

Yes

[karmic gust]

i havent seen anyone think that

[sleek ocean]

also Wellwater Phylactery isnt too shabby with that neck

[astral shadow]

Stack life then ghostwrithe

[karmic gust]

but also melee will be the strongest archetype anyway

this league most likely

[zealous pebble]

So we're trolling

[karmic gust]

again

[cobalt blade]

not since ele hit breachlord nerf

[stoic horizon]

no

[fossil mural]

No? You are just clueless

[pliant hamlet]

you don't think holy strikes is gonna be strong?

[karmic gust]

no :d

also thats minion skill

[cobalt blade]

i do think str stack melee is gonna be top tho post int nerfs

[pliant hamlet]

it's as much of a minion skill as dom blow is

[astral shadow]

Rathpit+ghostwrithe

[pliant hamlet]

like yeah it's minion, but it's not played like a minion skill

[zealous pebble]

Hammers and sweep seem pretty good

[karmic gust]

yea and dom blow is minion skill

[dim sonnet]

80mil on stormbrand is not too bad

[stoic horizon]

sweep is bait

[pliant hamlet]

No true melee skill

[sleek ocean]

vaal dom blow is like the only skill that has both spell and attack tag 😄

[zealous pebble]

Hammers and sweep aren't melee?

[fossil mural]

Yea, gotta play dual strike with no splash and extras. Dont even think about getting strike range

Kill mobs 1 by 1

[cosmic raptor]

idk ask grok

[fossil mural]

Like a true melee

[pliant hamlet]

haha, that's what I'm saying

[cobalt blade]

nah you go heavy strike

[worthy cave]

wait but what build do you even PLAY with Khatal's Geyser on Pathfinder?

[sage falcon]

true melee is when bad

[zealous pebble]

Ik, and I'm making it worse by endurance charge stacking on jugg

[worthy cave]

Because with that neck, you don't need master surgeon anymore

[pliant hamlet]

if it isn't heavy strike or dual strike with no splash, no ancestral, no nothing, it's not really a melee skill

[cobalt blade]

Gotta embrace slow atk speed as well

[fossil mural]

Fucking duel each mob

[astral shadow]

Nah basic attack 0l

[karmic gust]

no reason to play it on pathfinder

[cobalt blade]

truue

[stoic horizon]

ethical melee hc ssf ruthless vegan gaming

[worthy cave]

Flask effect/tides

20% from minors

[cobalt blade]

the flask effect scaling is kinda shit without more dmg from hiero

[worthy cave]

which then buffs up the progenesis

[cobalt blade]

for the ammy

[karmic gust]

you cant rly count minion build as melee build, noone counts holy relic as flicker build either if you use that as trigger :d

[cerulean breach]

why does path of building say that to go from 1.2m radius to 1.3m radius you need 19% increased area of effect?

>>> 1.2*math.sqrt(1.18)
1.3035336589440256

[sleek ocean]

dont all melee builds hit offscreen anyway?

[stoic horizon]

holy strike is just a strike skill that scales minions instead and cant use extra strikes

[zealous pebble]

No

[sleek ocean]

squar rot calculations

[slow sonnet]

Depends

[cerulean breach]

can you be more specific?

[worthy cave]

oh so Khatal's Geyser is a hierophant item?

just go mana route, charges, arcane surge?

[cobalt blade]

ya i think it is

[karmic gust]

something like that

[cobalt blade]

this scales with surge effect

[karmic gust]

you can technically use it on PF and replace life flask and master surgeon with it

saves you flask slot if you were using replica sorrow before

idk if worth but its something

[worthy cave]

oh SHIT

[fossil mural]

Because thats correct?

[sleek ocean]

the increase gets √ x^2, where x is the increase

[cerulean breach]

>>> 1.2*math.sqrt(1.18)
1.3035336589440256

again, this is my math for 18% increased AoE

[worthy cave]

saves an ascendancy point + a flask slot

[cerulean breach]

this show a radius of >= 1.3m

[worthy cave]

seems very very good

[cerulean breach]

if you'd look at my math you'll notice I already use sqrt

[fossil mural]

Calc area for 1.2

Then for 1.3

Then tell me the difference between them in %

[karmic gust]

butyou lose amulet instead

[cerulean breach]

>>> math.pi*1.3**2 / (math.pi*1.2**2)
1.1736111111111112

17.36%

which rounds up to 18% not 19%

[worthy cave]

PFs don't get too much out of amulets, do they?

[cobalt blade]

^amulet is rly strong especially in trade in ssf i do think that might be more considerable tho

[worthy cave]

Well, mamba likes its ashes or whispers

[cobalt blade]

its generic power wdym

[worthy cave]

but this might open an entirely new build

[cobalt blade]

anything from +8 skills focused to ashes to replica dragons

[worthy cave]

gain a crapton of cast speed from the arcane surge

[karmic gust]

amulet is rly strong slot on anyone

[worthy cave]

use lavianga's spirit to not have to worry about ANY mana cost

[karmic gust]

and PFs specifically just got foulborn xophs

actually are doublefoulborns still in

[worthy cave]

foulborn xoph's neck?

[stoic horizon]

iirc yes

[cobalt blade]

uuuh could compare tree in reveal to tree ingame

[hardy heron]

New gems are out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omi9CkuwNkk

[cobalt blade]

But i think i saw double foul node

[worthy cave]

what do you like about foulborn xophs

[karmic gust]

phys taken as and EO

[cerulean breach]

@fossil mural so can you please explain what you mean that it's correct?

[onyx adder]

Youtube 💀

[cerulean breach]

because in two ways my math shows it should be 18%, not 19%

[onyx adder]

Imma wait for screenshots

[stoic horizon]

why tf is qual so bad, next supp gets better

[low lava]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-cant-see-this-funny-gif-14446155

[potent bramble]

38% more maximum number of minions from supported skills!?

[karmic gust]

skill issue

[pliant hamlet]

ayyyooo

[stoic horizon]

like on this it looks normal

[karmic gust]

congregation is funny

[pliant hamlet]

repeating shockwaves is exciting 👀

[karmic gust]

but also kinda shit outside of spectres probably

unless it has weird breakpoints

[pliant hamlet]

reaper

[sleek ocean]

seem insane tbh

[pliant hamlet]

14-15 reapers now 👀

[karmic gust]

yea thats kinda useless

[worthy cave]

38%...yeah, there's no way to really get more golems out of that, is there?

[hardy heron]

I need Void Shockwave for my build now, huh
At least at higher investment

[fossil mural]

Probably some weird thing about how you need to go slightly over, or how 1.2m isnt actually 1.2m but less

[potent bramble]

Dude I can have like 28 Raging Spirits now! 😛

[cobalt blade]

honestly seems like a good spiders support

[worthy cave]

vaal sacrifice support is absolutely meme

[karmic gust]

i dont think it is actually

[worthy cave]

removes all but 1 life and ES

[pliant hamlet]

vaal sacrifice + ward

[hardy heron]

Oh, it can be used with axes as well now
That's very fucking good

[karmic gust]

it wouldnt even improve your clear because having regular support on them would probs clear better

[worthy cave]

so tehre's no real way to cheese that

[pliant hamlet]

or dissolution

[sleek ocean]

if you can get that support to 100% and get 2 ags!

[slow sonnet]

Migration is done and huh, this is in standard already

[karmic gust]

and otherwise the number will round against you

[blazing spear]

:OWO:

[karmic gust]

most of the time

so it will be less than 38% more damage support

[pliant hamlet]

ward, dissolution

[worthy cave]

ah

[empty bronze]

ward time?

[safe perch]

Cyclone gotta coocl

[potent bramble]

Void Shockwave on cyclone looks like it's gonna be a fun time too

[slow sonnet]

Ahhh true

[scarlet jacinth]

From "specific" atlas bosses huh..

[vague steeple]

Looks very balanced this League. 😄

[pliant hamlet]

it literally does NOTHING to dissolution builds

life stacking stonks?

[cobalt blade]

i would assume you can get +gems on squire to push it to 40% more minions

[pliant hamlet]

rathpith is going to the moon this league

[sleek ocean]

or that one jewel

[cobalt blade]

but i do think its better than your weakest link for spiders?

[karmic gust]

yea but then its just 40% more damage support that do not helps with clear

weakest link for spiders is void manip

if i remember correclt

dont think thats better

[mortal veldt]

vaal ls rise again?

[worthy cave]

see if Pathfinder actually had more ascendancy options that new geyser neck might pop off

[severe pivot]

how is void shockwave different from normal shockwave

[cobalt blade]

if theres no excep void manip it is

[stoic horizon]

spell

[worthy cave]

but as it stands, how are you getting flask effect on templar outside of tides of time?

[karmic gust]

i guess so but it still hurts your clear vs void manip

[zealous pebble]

Repeats

[mortal veldt]

sick

[cobalt blade]

mm maybe

[foggy elm]

hitting with the shockwave spawns baby shockwaves

[hardy heron]

I'd assume Vaal sacrifice is (Uber?)Atziri or Trialmaster
Void shockwave sounds like shaper or elder
Congregation could be Catarina?

[crude moat]

One is void, the other isn't

[worthy cave]

so what...templar gets alchemist's genius + tides of time?

[pseudo axle]

congregation support with chains of command

[fossil mural]

Whats the skill used in preview? Cause it sounds like its only usable on actual vaal part?

[modern zinc]

hype af

[karmic gust]

yes

[olive carbon]

Vaal fireball back from the dead after like 8 years?

[crude moat]

Congregation support with any minions build