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[sleek ocean]

Holy strike dont really have a good unique weapon either

[tight plinth]

frostbreath?

[hexed mountain]

nobody uses unique weapons tho (on melees)

[soft perch]

gen cry with that with hammers flying everywhere

sounds so fucking fun

[delicate otter]

Oh yeah it is a slam, huh

[worldly bridge]

ok ok ok ok i will not procrastinate pob anymore

[proud gorge]

oh that reminds me, I wonder if the Holy Strike minions naturally inherit your weapon's crit chance

and if so

[worldly bridge]

ill try for the first time

to pob

[proud gorge]

what's that one unique with 100% crit chance

[hexed mountain]

wait , does hegemony's era make the minions generate power charegs too?

[worldly bridge]

uhhuhuh, probably?

since t heyre like based on it

[hexed mountain]

trypanon but they'll hit slow as hell , sounds bad

[proud gorge]

Trypanon

[sleek ocean]

It uses your weapon

[tight plinth]

hegies in the big 2026?

[proud gorge]

nah just summon with Trypanon

[soft perch]

should do but why

[proud gorge]

then weapon swap

to a faster mace

brilliant

[finite quail]

its because ground loot has been bad for a while when it comes to raw currency drops, so they're shifting the weighting of item drops to have currency be more common than it has been before

[soft perch]

wow heges looks bad in the context of modern poe

jesus

[finite quail]

By making equipment items have a lower weighting and currency have higher weightings

[hexed mountain]

but trypanon has horrible base damage

[finite quail]

Something like that

[hexed mountain]

if you want minion trypanon just go reliquarian and give them 100% crit on a minion that doesnt mirror your weapon

[proud gorge]

probably yeah

have you considered though

[noble sleet]

That’s good so more chromatic orbs hopefully. Will this change the economy

[finite quail]

Its way worse than a half decent shaper warstaff

[worldly bridge]

wait warcry chief node is ALWAYS infinite power?????

i thought it just uncapped them

[proud gorge]

summon the Holy Armaments with a 2h mace, then weapon swap into a 1h mace + shield, and take Necromantic Aegis to make the minions inherit your shield

[finite quail]

yes

[hexed mountain]

it doesnt uncap

[worldly bridge]

i mean holy piano keys, but thats insanely strong

[proud gorge]

so the Holy Armaments are now a 2h Mace that also has a shield equipped

[sleek ocean]

All warcries are capped anyway

[proud gorge]

I can't think of anything obviously broken with that

but maybe there's something I dunno lmao

[stray sedge]

no, it says infinite. DUH

[tight plinth]

[stable pumice]

XD

[hexed mountain]

lowkey brain rattler could be decent as early mapping , converts 100% to phys with holy strike doing the other half

[stable pumice]

Doesnt sound bad i am thinking of gc holy hammer

[proud gorge]

surely there's something powerful you can do with a minion that has both the stats of a unique 2h weapon and the stats of a unique shield at the same time

then again I suppose if there were, AWoSR would already have done so

since that also gets both melee weapon snapshots and reflects your weapon

[hexed mountain]

kaltenhalt gives a bit of damage i guess

idk i'd rather keep my shield

on guardian

you're not getting suppress so you kinda need spellblock

[soft perch]

login staff dood

[sleek ocean]

The big karui mace then 1500 phys

[stray sedge]

haha it did get a buff

glad they keep upgrading those rare unique weapons

the Lioneye's Bow might have potential as well

[soft perch]

getting spellblock with staves sounds like a nightmare actually

[noble sleet]

So after all these years and new nerfs, how is melee vs bow vs caster builds? Mostly a melee main even if the melee is ranged lmao

[fossil mural]

Just get some

Dont go for cap

[soft perch]

getting above 50% spellblock with staves sounds like a nightmare actually

[fossil mural]

Or go rainbowstride

Be a chad

[tight plinth]

atoll still keeps all the league mechanic near the entrance yeah?

[finite quail]

It hasnt changed that much

[proud gorge]

Melee is good, scales very well but usually weaker earlier due to a lack of range. Ranged is good, good coverage but often squishier and more reliant on dodge/evasion/suppression. Spells are good, though usually reliant on a small number of powerful base damage scaling options or specific spells.

[finite quail]

https://pobb.in/dNzoaqxND1Zg

Not sure how relevant this is to the convo, but thats 74/70 block with a staff

One extra socket and you cap block with a replica reckless defence

[proud gorge]

right now wand attacks are quite strong

but also other things are also good

[hard cliff]

glancing blows

[soft perch]

pretty relevant

[proud gorge]

lots of fun spell scaling options as well as spell varieties, though unfortunately the nature of spell base damage scaling means that most spell builds one of several broad archetypes that then just sockets whatever the highest DE spell is

or whatever spell they want

[sleek ocean]

Bows got buff since no t17 meta

[finite quail]

There's also an extra staff block node top right you can get to cap block, too

[fossil mural]

There is also the flask

[proud gorge]

slams got hit a bit, particularly big slow slams, but fast slams are still good

strikes continue to be good

[noble sleet]

Eww bows…

[finite quail]

yes but eh

[proud gorge]

non-slam non-strike attack skills are in a bit of a weird spot

[hexed mountain]

slams deserved it quite badly

[hard cliff]

glacial hamm err poggers

[proud gorge]

since most of the powerful attack scaling options are either slam or strike specific

[finite quail]

hell yeah

[soft perch]

i wish tempest shield was something you could click on staves

[proud gorge]

but depending on the skill they're still good

[hexed mountain]

slames getting 33% more damage PER warcry exerting lategame just wasnt ok

[noble sleet]

I miss lightning strike with all the projectiles

[fossil mural]

Just walk the rainbow

[proud gorge]

lots of powerful generic attack scaling options

[noble sleet]

That would’ve been funny with this new belt

[proud gorge]

and then you just slot in whatever attack feels nicest

[dawn sluice]

i needed warcries to survive one more league. but they just didnt want me to be happy

[soft perch]

also mana leech being hard to access as templar feels a little bad

[hexed mountain]

just slap warden and two tinctures on your build and you got damage

[proud gorge]

Molten Strike of Zenith is an incredibly powerful scaling attack, but people do still run things like Reave or Rage Vortex and the likes

usually for clear

[hexed mountain]

zenith is CBT

actual PoB build

[proud gorge]

yeah Zenith is good but clunky

[dawn sluice]

cock ball torch

[noble sleet]

So did warcries get gutted? I remember playing vsof and you just wanted a bunch of warcries linked together lol. Got kinda annoying tho with the noise overlapping

[finite quail]

do warcries anyways

[dawn sluice]

i will

for msoz

[finite quail]

kinda

autoexertion got a big nerf

[sleek ocean]

Tbh holy sweep looks interesting

[finite quail]

instead of 15% mana res per warcry now its 20%

overexertion support damage got nerfed

[hexed mountain]

5456 DE

[finite quail]

and idk what else got tapped too

[proud gorge]

it's not so much that they got gutted as a system, and more that the incredibly slow attack builds where they had 8 warcries exerting a single attack got a nerf

[hexed mountain]

[proud gorge]

Earthshatter

which was the main payoff slam for the build

[hexed mountain]

earthshatter got its damage roughly halved with overexert nerfs, autoexert nerf and gem nerf

maybe more if you cant fit a warcry due to 20%

[proud gorge]

but yeah, fast slams are still good

but very slow slams not so much

[soft perch]

ngl

gull guardian gen cry sounds too funny to not play

[proud gorge]

which is unfortunate but also makes sense

[soft perch]

pivot angle

[finite quail]

Honestly that got barely nerfed

[hexed mountain]

the age of slams is over , its warden time

[finite quail]

it lost like 60% de out of 590 something

[finite quail]

dies in juiced t16s

every other portal

[hexed mountain]

cant die if everything is dead

[finite quail]

never makes it past 90

[hexed mountain]

my warden is 96

[proud gorge]

it's very difficult to make "very slow slams" balanced in a game where you could also relatively easily make them attack extremely fast

[finite quail]

ground dots

Troll

[hexed mountain]

dont stand in them , skill issue

[soft perch]

are you just ignoring the exert system

[proud gorge]

"very slow slams" as a concept would work fine in a game where the slam in particular has a very slow fixed attack speed

[soft perch]

that keeps slams relatively slow

[leaden quiver]

Yeah I dont think anyone does fast slams except for like, vfos in that one patch

[finite quail]

But how will I slurp up the delicious dot ground juice otherwise????

[soft perch]

gotta be berserker for the doubled exerts as well

[hexed mountain]

warden CI and slurp the chaos dot then

[soft perch]

if u wanna go even remotely fast

[finite quail]

or ff

[soft perch]

sure yea

[proud gorge]

sure, but my point is that its difficult because very slow slams with lots of exerts will always get more damage with attack speed anyways up until the point where you can no longer sustain exerts

[soft perch]

right but that is balanced easily by the strong damage exerts having a low amount of exerts

theres a lot of tuning knobs for this that already exist

people dont play slams unless they actually do good damage tho

melee in general does a lot of damage atm

[finite quail]

For builds to leaguestart so far I have Glacial Hammer of Shattering Elementalist, Shock Nova of Procession manaman and Static Strike Warden

[proud gorge]

so either you design the exert system to reward very slow individual slams, but it ends up being busted by slightly faster slammers, or you design it to be balanced around those slightly faster slammers, but the very slow slams are now a lot weaker

[finite quail]

I'm leaning towards gcos ele

cause it sounds fun

[proud gorge]

realistically " very very slow slams" isn't even really a build, it's a build fantasy

but nothing in the game really rewards "slam that takes a full second and a half to come out"

[finite quail]

wrong

its called vaal earthquake

Troll

[noble sleet]

Yeah huh I really wonder if there’s not gonna be any s tier builds sadly lol. Must mean balance is good I guess. Fubgun thinks there aren’t any, all the ones are just solid A.

[proud gorge]

I suppose there could be an item that rewards very very slow slams, maybe some item or support or something that gives a big boost to base damage or something, in exchange for adding a large amount of fixed attack speed to the attack

[rugged shale]

BOOBA
tabula rasa

[soft perch]

theres the funny earthquake

[dark sequoia]

How is necro/warden scion with bone offering and two tinctures for 2h melee ignite?

[soft perch]

the transfig

is the pob gen cry calculator good yet

[proud gorge]

yeah, but it's not really, like, very good

[soft perch]

or does it still suck

[dark sequoia]

Bone offering to get decent block on a non-staff 2h
Tinctures for ele damage and ignite damage

[hexed mountain]

double tincture without lingering idk

new bloodline looks dot related so maybe this will change things

[dark sequoia]

I still can't tell if lycia bloodline actually affects herald of ash damage

[proud gorge]

anyways, here's my concept. Check it. A support gem or something that gives a buff that gives a very large More multiplier, in exchange for adding a full second of fixed attack time to the skill. Or maybe after not attacking with the skill for a second or so. Except, now that I say it out loud, that's basically just Fist of War Support.

[finite quail]

POLYGONS

[dark sequoia]

How about a support that disables conversion and can be built around like trauma or archmage

[rugged shale]

it's act 4, dude
it was made when dx 11 doesnt existed

[proud gorge]

I suppose the issue is Fist of War Support doesn't reward you for not attacking, or attacking very slowly, it just gives you a big boost every couple seconds regardless of if you're attacking or not.

[finite quail]

That's ruthless

[sleek ocean]

Did holy sweep always do a hammer on single target?

[finite quail]

and fist of war

[simple stag]

Im so conflicted between playing a more or less duration build this patch

[finite quail]

Both

two separate builds

[dark sequoia]

Trauma Static Strike is sounding fun

[simple stag]

All i know is it will have duration at this point

[finite quail]

Hey don't worry man, I used to play before acts 5-10 were added

[rugged shale]

also screenshot was made on 4k tv with HDR on

[proud gorge]

the problem is Ruthless rewards you for attacking repeatedly, while Fist of War rewards you every couple seconds regardless of attacking or not, so you just pack Fist of War on a build that attacks less slow and just benefit from it every two or three attacks or something

[finite quail]

(hdr is meaningless if other people dont have hdr on)

[candid moon]

Wait surely this shrine wont be available on the new belt? xd

[finite quail]

no

it wont be there, already confirmed by devs in ziz's interview

not that it needed to be confirmed lmao

[dark sequoia]

Can you roll a shrine you already have with guardian node?

[simple stag]

The fact that u even asked

[proud gorge]

I'm thinking something that adds a bunch of flat attack time to an attack (not a cooldown since it needs to have attack exclusivity)

maybe give it a custom animation

[simple stag]

Brings me back to my power overwhelming days in brood war

[proud gorge]

to both justify the fixed attack time

but also because it's cool

[dark sequoia]

Earthquake of Amplification

[finite quail]

it will refresh it

[dark sequoia]

Frost Bomb of nobodyplaysthissoiforgotwhatit'scalled sounds cool with duration

[proud gorge]

an animation where your character widens their stance, roots their feet, and delivers a big powerful slam towards the ground

[dark sequoia]

So probably bad with baby belt?

[simple stag]

Trans static strike trauma -> more duration Storm burst totems -> more duration

[finite quail]

baby belt?

[dark sequoia]

Screams of the Dessicated

[simple stag]

KF/Kf Detonate -> less duration Divine Blast -> less duration Timewarp = 20 div

[finite quail]

why are you calling it a baby belt

its on par with mageblood

[dark sequoia]

It's made of babies

[finite quail]

oh

[proud gorge]

"The Dessicated" is dead babies yeah

[finite quail]

I wouldn't say its bad necessarily

[proud gorge]

that's why they're screaming

[finite quail]

You always have one or two shrines on you that you want to have

And you're already using gear to buff shrines

So you might aswell use the belt too

I'm fairly certain the belt's getting nerfed before release though

[main pike]

think I'm gonna try animate weapon in mirage despite the despawn

see if I want to die

[proud gorge]

people are like "We'll have to wait and see if it can roll Acceleration or Echoing Shrine". Like, I could understand it not rolling Echoing, that's pretty powerful, but we've already seen Diamond and that's also incredibly powerful.

[heady cliff]

🎣

[proud gorge]

and also, if it couldn't roll Accleration or Echoing, then what "offensive" shrines could it even roll?

Diamond, Brutal...

[heady cliff]

those elemental novas around you, clearly

[proud gorge]

maybe Resonating and Gloom? Those are non-standard shrine options

but like, no way they'd release the shrine belt with just Diamond and Brutal as offensive shrine options

that'd be silly

[candid moon]

Did anyone ask the devs if this works with the belt?

[proud gorge]

yeah

it does

[candid moon]

[proud gorge]

also Blunderbore

[main pike]

andrew confirmed it in the dev interview

[proud gorge]

but that's a lot of build you're dedicating towards it

[candid moon]

I guess we are not getting the same shrines as they are currently in the game

[worldly bridge]

you get like 17 m,ax res

ezpz

[proud gorge]

I do like this item more than Mageblood specifically because it can be actually built around

[worldly bridge]

plus charges or crit or smth

[main pike]

what doi you mean

[proud gorge]

instead of just sort of existing on your build

[candid moon]

Or they make it uber hard to roll the good shrines

[main pike]

yes he said good combinations will be giga rare

can't divine it

[proud gorge]

we know it rolls actual shrines yeah

but also yes

it's going to be very rare

and then have random shrine rolls

which can't be divined because they count as variants

it is an incredibly powerful item though

[candid moon]

Giga rolled belt is alrdy kinda better than mb without extra unique pieces

[proud gorge]

this is the New Chase Belt on par with Mageblood

depends what you need, generally

[heady cliff]

okay if gull works, then it is clearly better than mageblood on a good roll

[candid moon]

Wouldnt even say on par lol

[heady cliff]

max res from a single flask? we raise you max res cap from a single shrine

[candid moon]

T-1

[proud gorge]

Mageblood will still be premium defensive item, Screams has way better offenses though

[heady cliff]

literally free 90% res for a helm and belt slot

[candid moon]

What does mb even offer in defenses more than the new belt?

[heady cliff]

thats more op than mageblood

[proud gorge]

if you're using Gull, then yes, it'll cap res by itself, but Mageblood does that for just your belt slot, and then also gives other stats, like shock avoid, other immunities, etc

also lots of armour or evasion scaling, if you care about that

[candid moon]

Shock avoid for ailment immunity is about it, no?

Unless you wouldnt run ele flasks it will be hard to justify mb for giga build

[proud gorge]

percent armour, percent evasion, percent life regen during flask effect, bleed and corrupted blood immunity, poison immunity, etc

[soft perch]

you are

[proud gorge]

also some other more niche flask effects

[soft perch]

its supposed to be ridiculously expensive for some combos

[proud gorge]

Screams can only roll one defensive shrine

[stone fog]

This is happening to me as well 🙁

[proud gorge]

so you have to pick one

[soft perch]

the item is supposed to be crazy

[proud gorge]

Res Shrine fixes your res by itself, but gives nothing else

[soft perch]

and the answer is mostly resistance cuz its the best one

[proud gorge]

so the other half is offenses

[soft perch]

i mean it gives a lot of max res

its very good

[noble sleet]

Uhh there’s a chest piece that also increases shrine effect by 75% but is there any other way to get around the str requiemen downside? Lol

[soft perch]

supreme ostentation

[proud gorge]

I consider maxing res to be part of fixing res by itself lmao

[tranquil umbra]

how can we scale exceptional support gems

[candid moon]

That's already a lot though

[proud gorge]

it is yes

but again

Mageblood also does that

[wintry lily]

Bro keeps saying "doesnt give anything else" when there's 10% max res right there

[soft perch]

i mean, it gives 15% max res with gull

thats pretty crazy

[heady cliff]

mageblood does NOT cap your res to 90%

it "just" caps your res

[wintry lily]

What you're losing for the most part is stun avoidance and curse reduction as far as I can tell

ele ail avoidance isn't as hard

but just brine king it up and suck it up for that temp chains

[proud gorge]

mageblood gives you a ton of max res, and with a single other item (equivalent to including Gull here) you can hit 90% easily

[soft perch]

garukhan panth as well pls

garukhan panth good

[wintry lily]

so true

[heady cliff]

reflect immunity, curse immunity, stun immunity, ele ailment immunity

[proud gorge]

if you're running triple res flask anyways

[heady cliff]

megablud gives you options

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, good old curse immunity

[candid moon]

If a belt existed that gave you 17% max res (including chaos) and 90% ele res alone lots of ppl would run it

[proud gorge]

that's one I used

[soft perch]

getting 90% max res on mageblood is harder than u think

[proud gorge]

it's great

[soft perch]

going from 84% to 90% takes a good amount of investment

[heady cliff]

flasks give 9%, you still need 6% all max res

that is not trivial

or you sacrifice your auras too

[native arrow]

What's the best way to automate (new) orb of storms for channeling build? The only thing that I can think of is linking it to high level cwdt gem

[proud gorge]

point being, people are freaking out over the belt because its very obviously incredibly good, and it is. It's a chase belt on tier with Mageblood, if well rolled. People just aren't used to things competing with Mageblood for build power.

[candid moon]

Even more if you want to cap chaos asw, I feel like people are overlooking this

[noble sleet]

Can we get to 100% max res? Lmao

[heady cliff]

it is above mageblood if well rolled

T-1

[soft perch]

its a chase belt that is quite a lot better if its well rolled

[wintry lily]

hard capped unless ggg fucks something up

[proud gorge]

it also has significant downsides

[soft perch]

not really

[wintry lily]

what significant downside

[heady cliff]

no

[candid moon]

90% is max

[proud gorge]

and is very focused

[heady cliff]

just

imagine accel/resistance with gull

[proud gorge]

not having flasks is a downside

[noble sleet]

Damn lmao

[soft perch]

the significant downside is it will cost over 1k divines

[noble sleet]

Ohh that really is op then

[wintry lily]

There is a downside, but I wouldn't consider it significant enough when you get 3rd ring for free

[proud gorge]

using Gull is also a build cost

[candid moon]

Thats unironically cheap

[soft perch]

not really you use gull because it says 50% more belt

[proud gorge]

you can't just go "just use it with gull" as though that's free

[soft perch]

youd always use a helm that said 50% more mageblood

its not a build cost

[wintry lily]

bro talking like mageblood doesn't have a cost too /s

[heady cliff]

using gull means "+7% all max res +37% action speed"

[soft perch]

sorry

[candid moon]

Sublime fire already cost over a mirror week2 or something just to cap resistances WHILE running mb

[soft perch]

75% more mageblood

[heady cliff]

wdym "build cost" LUL

[proud gorge]

because it means you can't run any other helmet?

[heady cliff]

who cares

[proud gorge]

which is a very real cost depending on the build

[soft perch]

u wouldnt because its better, genuinely

the belt doesnt need the gull to be good

[candid moon]

Helmet isnt that big of a cost, plus you get lessers

[wintry lily]

guys mageblud bad because you cant use 4 unique flasks, very bad belt

[soft perch]

the gull is just 75% more amazing belt

[heady cliff]

the only helmet that can rival gull with this belt is indigon

[soft perch]

if u could wear a helmet that said 75% more mageblood

u wouldnt think 'damn what a build cost'

[proud gorge]

Gull is very good yes, but again, people are acting like this belt will destroy the game and also kill ubers for you

[wintry lily]

the only time i wouldnt consider gull is because the build demands a specific rare helmet

[soft perch]

youd think 'holy fuck why is there a helm that says 75% more mageblood'

[heady cliff]

it will, unironically

[soft perch]

i mean

[heady cliff]

it will also cost a mirror or two, hopefully

[soft perch]

it kinda does lol

this item is insane

[heady cliff]

i can give you one exception

[soft perch]

deathbeam pathfinder pob

[heady cliff]

imagine accel shrine belt AND exarch ball phase

self-trolled

[soft perch]

lowkey

accel shrine is worse than echoing

[wintry lily]

take off belt then

or just play better

[candid moon]

Nah you just tank the balls wdym

[heady cliff]

then you have -100 resists

[wintry lily]

better not get hit then

[rose vault]

I mean you lose quicksilver flask

[heady cliff]

sorry accel shrine too fast, stepped on ground effects

[stray sedge]

Wonder how rare the belt drop alone will be, and then the weighting of the better shrines

[wintry lily]

Very most likely

[candid moon]

Get your regen game up wtf

[stray sedge]

ill farm the shit out of it and prob never find one

[soft perch]

very rare, very rare

[stray sedge]

well actually I guess it depends how often you fight the guy

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I like the belt as a design, it's super powerful, but has tradeoffs, has a real build cost, isn't just "slap onto literally any build with literally no change to anything", and is quite focused in what it does, depending on your shrine choice

[candid moon]

Since it's a boss drop surely it will end up being more common than mb

[wintry lily]

Im willing to bet its probably slightly more common than mageblood if we ignore variance.

[proud gorge]

also the nature of its shrine rolls means that there's going to be cheaper variants on the market for different builds that value different shrines higher

[rose vault]

That one dude finding the best option belt day 1 of league

[soft perch]

im willing to be good combos will be vastly more expensive than mageblood

[proud gorge]

which is always nice

[soft perch]

and might actually drop mageblood price

cuz of power perception

[candid moon]

There will probably be more godrolled new belts than good double corrupted mb's

[soft perch]

even if they cant attain it

[wintry lily]

and thats good because i can actually run whatever the fuck belt i variant of it as long as its not too expensive

[grand flint]

im still 20/40 challenges

[soft perch]

ye casters can use whatever dessicated belt and not care too much

cuz flasks on caster are lolw

[tranquil sedge]

if they're sufficiently rare and strong enough, could be

[soft perch]

no quicksilver? wintry blast time

[proud gorge]

like, even if the ultra-rolled god belt is out of reach, lots of less ultra-well-rolled options can also help to boost up less powerful builds, albeit with less generic power

[wintry lily]

The only issue is I play pathfinder, and if I want to use that belt i have to go warden

well 2 tincture 3 ring gaming

[tranquil sedge]

thats a self-imposed issue 😛

[soft perch]

ok deathbeam

[wintry lily]

it is what it is

[wintry lily]

ITS NOT MY FAULT IM ADDICTED TO FLASK

[rose vault]

Dayum actually new belt is BIS for manaman cuz you can use mana flask

[proud gorge]

only instant flasks

[rose vault]

Yah thas opas for manaman

[proud gorge]

any flask effect, including the ticking recovery of non-instant life or mana flasks, will turn off the shrine effects

[wintry lily]

just run some worms

[candid moon]

Thats why I am making my own pob of Impending Doom Occu instead of fully relying on DB's pathfinder version, because I know that I will be able to afford the belt lol

[wintry lily]

cope

lmao

300 div for the most common variant incoming

[candid moon]

As long as it doesnt step in to 10mir category I'm fine

Since I have a job irl rn

[heady cliff]

300 div, ice nova shrine + armor/eva shrine

[wintry lily]

BAHAHA

[soft perch]

i think echoing/accel + resistance might reach multimirror

genuinely

demand will be crazy

[wintry lily]

nah, we fucking ball

[soft perch]

sublime fire was 1k divs last league at 1 point

[wintry lily]

echo accel gull

[proud gorge]

but yeah, on a "lower budget", instead of Resistance Shrine Echoing Shrine, you could run, idk, Massive + Diamond, or Replenishing + Brutal or something. Replenishing is actually very nice for specific builds, like probably Frostmage.

[wintry lily]

You are not getting massive diamond for cheap

[hybrid harness]

it needs to be in the decimal drop rate to reach multi mirror

[wintry lily]

no shot

[hybrid harness]

cant you 3:1 or 5:1 whatever it is

[heady cliff]

replenishing would be $$$$$ cause archmage

[proud gorge]

I mean, what do you think the cheapest belt will be

[native arrow]

what would be the worst/cheapest combo?

[proud gorge]

there's honestly not really any bad offense shrines

[candid moon]

Massive diamond is going to be like the top 5 most expensive kekw

[worldly bridge]

ok so from what i can tell the warriors from GC cannot use the exerts from warcries

[heady cliff]

brutal/shrouded

[worldly bridge]

their attacks count as empowred though so any inc damage to empowered attacks will apply to them

[wintry lily]

There's no indication it can't drop ice nova and skeleton shrines right?

because uh

[proud gorge]

like, what's the worst offense shrine to combine with Massive

[wintry lily]

I can think of half at least.

[heady cliff]

wait, skeleton

skeleton/shrouded

[inner prawn]

this is true but you need both the shrines to be good for it to be worth using.

[proud gorge]

there's no indication so far that it can roll the nova/skeleton/shrouded shrines

[heady cliff]

meme version of the belt

those are basic shrines

[hybrid harness]

wont even skeleton have its use

[proud gorge]

and if you exclude the grey shrines

[heady cliff]

why would not they?

[wintry lily]

imagine if dark pact can't even use the fukin skele

[slow niche]

yeah but what if you had the choice to use a helmet with 75% more mageblood and a body armour with 75% mageblood for a total of 150% mageblood?

[proud gorge]

like every combination is good if you exclude the grey shrines

[heady cliff]

150% more mageblood

[native arrow]

inb4 those drop 90% time

[soft perch]

well the body armour actually has very real and awful downsides

[candid moon]

Two extra slots is getting kinda expensive

[soft perch]

i dont like blunderbore

[wintry lily]

peak belt

[slow niche]

i would use the keystone tbh

[proud gorge]

if it can roll the grey shrines, then yeah, it'd make good combinations a lot rarer

[soft perch]

yea but youve also sacrificed your chest slot

[proud gorge]

but also that would be a very interesting item

and I'd probably enjoy running a weird grey shrine belt

[slow niche]

imagine if it also had the nova shrines lol

[proud gorge]

there's some fun stuff in there with permanent grey shrines

[wintry lily]

hey shock and chill at least does something

[soft perch]

also resistance shrine caps out at gull unless ur using transcendence but mageblood is probs better for armourstack anyway

so blunderbore is overdoing it for a lot of downsides

[slow niche]

does shrine effect do anything for those?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, with no grey shrines, there's genuinely not a single bad combination

[wintry lily]

probably not?

[proud gorge]

every single combination is good

[wintry lily]

but at least its still shock and chill

[soft perch]

yea there are other shrines but like ur already kinda ruining ur defences with blunderbore lul

[wintry lily]

what the fuck is skeleton shrine gonna do lmao

[surreal musk]

ehh if u dont have accel or echoing shrine ur gunna be a snail

[proud gorge]

with grey shrines, there's some bad hits

[leaden quiver]

New creeping frost looks good

[slow niche]

or that jewel that lowers resists

[soft perch]

ye u can cope on whirling/wintry blast/fucking stampede

[proud gorge]

but also some very interesting belts

[soft perch]

thats it rly

[soft perch]

that is transcendence

[slow niche]

oh i was thinking of something else

[wintry lily]

the worst possible combo for me at least would be this

[proud gorge]

without grey shrines, literally the worst belt combination is, like, Brutal + Replenishing probably

[wintry lily]

if ignoring grey shrines

[proud gorge]

which is still very good

[surreal musk]

armour stack actually gonna be tanky this league with armor applies to ele essence

[soft perch]

brutal shrine is ass

[proud gorge]

50% damage and replenishing effect

[soft perch]

like big ass

it has knockback enforced

[hybrid harness]

Im going archmage so repleneshing is welcome

[candid moon]

Explain?

[wintry lily]

50% inc dmg on a belt

I mean ig at least replenishing isnt actively negative

[leaden quiver]

Replenishing is very high mana regen

[wintry lily]

but still would rather a rare atp

[proud gorge]

Brutal Shrine knockback is only an issue if you're hitting super fast, and if you're hitting super fast (eg BLO Archmage), you could do a funny reverse knockback tech while mapping

[hybrid harness]

repleneshing + accel/echo might be in the affordable radius. sub 1 mirror surely

[leaden quiver]

With gull its like 11% base regen

[native arrow]

easy fodder for farrul bloodline ascendancy lol

[wintry lily]

truege

[proud gorge]

funny reverse knockback BLO Archmage build

[leaden quiver]

They dont count as your minions

Even funnier

[surreal musk]

https://i.imgur.com/IkiPvjT.png

[wintry lily]

lemao

[leaden quiver]

U just do transcendence and 93% phys to ele

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Brutal is the worst offense shrine, but it's not because 50% more generic damage is bad, it's because knockback can potentially be problematic if you have super high hit rate

but like, there's solutions

[soft perch]

yea but why would u use this with resistance shrine sir

[heady cliff]

if you are not doing aegis you are trolling

[slow niche]

i was just confused you see

[proud gorge]

Brutal is less generic, but gives lots of interesting build opportunities, which is good

[soft perch]

thats ok

[candid moon]

I dont think armour stackers can afford block chance? I suppose this would mainly proc vs swarms

[wintry lily]

Nah i'd rather just buy a tide of times/get any rare belt

over a brutal replenishing

[heady cliff]

they run glancing iirc

and max phys block

[candid moon]

Oh theyre now pivoting to block hah

[heady cliff]

assuming you are not dual wielding

[soft perch]

@leaden quiver i have new cope setup btw

[candid moon]

Dead archeotype anw

[soft perch]

holy hammers generals cry guardian

[proud gorge]

sure, on a particular build, but that's the point. Brutal Replenishing will be good on the right build, but not generically powerful enough to be slotted into any build, which is a good thing.

[heady cliff]

well aegis armor stack block is funny

[soft perch]

trust

[slow niche]

how do you combat the no physical rezistance thing from transcendence? i don't think a 40-50% conversion is enough

[soft perch]

its gonna be not that bad

[candid moon]

Bring back my transcendence armor stackers

[proud gorge]

most of the "weak" shrine combinations are only weak until you use them on the right build

[fossil mural]

Not really

Some of them are actually just shit

[heady cliff]

literally "recover whole ehp on block"

[wintry lily]

Brother you cannot PAY ME to use brutal shrine

No combination of it

[slow niche]

the only downside to that belt is that the diamond shrine doesn't scale with shrine effect

[wintry lily]

It can be fucking accel brutal and I still wouldn't fucking touch it

[fossil mural]

Reverse knockback pog

[soft perch]

ggg even said theyre aware the no flask thing isnt really a downside

using a brutal shrine belt is a downside though

[heady cliff]

knockback is very good on brands

[wintry lily]

Everytime I get a fucking brutal shrine the first thing I do is, run to safety, disable brutal

fuck it

[proud gorge]

sure, let's say you choose to ignore all Brutal Shrine combinations. Most other people probably will too, meaning those belts will be cheap for all the people willing to use it, but let's say you look at the next tier of Screams belts, literally anything that isn't Brutal Shrine.

[slow niche]

third ring slot for free

[soft perch]

so is using a shit belt

[heady cliff]

or other ranged characters, i assume

[proud gorge]

what's the worst combination that doesn't include Brutal

[noble sleet]

This belt better not be a letdown.. please do not fuck this up lmal

[wintry lily]

there really isn't one

[proud gorge]

yeah

[heady cliff]

skeleton/shrouded

[fossil mural]

You cant get crit with light/cold shrine

[wintry lily]

even the worse being rejuv + anything not brutal if no grey

[fossil mural]

So those are useless

[wintry lily]

if there is skeleton/shrouded then we already have our answers

[proud gorge]

I'm assuming it can't roll Grey Shrines

[fossil mural]

What does shrouded even do

[wintry lily]

blind

[proud gorge]

if it can, that's quite interesting, but also weird

[fossil mural]

Flo said skeleton shrine might be good

[proud gorge]

and I'd be excited to play around with some of the weirder grey shrine builds

[soft perch]

i think they made new shrines for this belt

[fossil mural]

I have no idea how

[wintry lily]

unscalable of it btw

[slow niche]

maybe resonating shrine and with gull and blunderbore you have +2 max all charges

[wintry lily]

its just a fucking smoke cloud

Literally worse stibnite flask

[fossil mural]

They also made charlatan roll upgraded shrines

[soft perch]

'Effects that grant random Shrine buffs such as Guardian's Harmony of Purpose Notable or The Golden Charlatan Unique Sword instead now grant Greater Shocking, Freezing and Skeletal Shrine (instead of the regular versions of these Shrines).'

the belt can roll these for sure

[fossil mural]

Freezing shrine if it does damage

[real spoke]

i despise shocking/freezing/skeletal shrines

[proud gorge]

but yeah, assuming there's no grey shrines, outside of people refusing to use Brutal Shrine because they find its gameplay annoying, there's like no bad options. If there are grey shrines, then yeah, that'll raise the pool of "whiffs" a lot, but honestly I'd be excited to play some of those.

[fossil mural]

Maybe poor mans hive

[wintry lily]

I'd rather just have an actual belt over brutal belt.

Like anoint belt.

[heady cliff]

i assume you get the belt for second shrine in case of brutal

[wintry lily]

Sure, but it has to be really good shrine effect

[proud gorge]

Lightning/Freezing Shrine are probably offense shrines, Shrouded is probably a defense shrine?

[wintry lily]

if its just going to be a singular shrine effect

[proud gorge]

And skeleton is probably also offense

[fossil mural]

Let charges be defensive pls

Cause if not

[heady cliff]

skeleton is troll shrine

[wintry lily]

if its brutal massive, I probably won't care

[fossil mural]

Flo said its good

[proud gorge]

but yeah, lower tier of Screams belts is fun to have

[wintry lily]

brutal res, maybe, maybe not

[fossil mural]

[proud gorge]

and there's some fun things you can do with them

[heady cliff]

good for dying on maps with monster chains

[tight plinth]

oh god we still talking about the belt?

[proud gorge]

I like the belt, like, conceptually

[wintry lily]

brutal impen depends on the build, but im not armour/ev/es stacking

[proud gorge]

it's a fun item

[fossil mural]

Well, its not out fault the rest of the update is shit

[wintry lily]

No crumbs dropped

[heady cliff]

you know what?

best part of the belt would be....

[soft perch]

belt is cool i just cant believe it exists lul

[heady cliff]

....typing "BELT CHECK [Mageblood]" in global 1

[wintry lily]

very based of ggg to make it a thing tbh

[heady cliff]

and seeing what would happen

[proud gorge]

items like Watcher's that can roll a bunch of variants are great because not only does it mean the "best" variant can be allowed to be insanely rare while making the belt itself still relatively accessible, it also allows different builds to have different "best" belts

[candid moon]

The day we powercrept mageblood

[slow niche]

giga character for giga cyclone

[wintry lily]

Massive, sure, brutal, ew.

[noble sleet]

Is diamond shrine the all hits are crits?

[soft perch]

i will have an echoing/accel resistance shrine

[candid moon]

After nerfing it league after league kek

[proud gorge]

it's a great design for a unique item

[noble sleet]

Is crit pretty hard to get 100% at?

[slow niche]

you don't like 50% inc damage?

[fossil mural]

Btw isnt defensive to offensive shrine ratio is really skewed

Almost all the shrines are offensive

[wintry lily]

hmm, do i want 50% inc dmg, or do i want accel/echo/diamond/res

hmmmmmmmmm

[slow niche]

would you count resonating shrine as offensive or defensive?

[candid moon]

Good, more resistance belts

[slow niche]

(the charge shrine)

[fossil mural]

I doubt its defensive. I would like it to. But I doubt

[tranquil sedge]

<@&174997701513969665>

[proud gorge]

100% crit requires a bit of investment, but it's not too hard to hit. The main benefit of Divine is that it forces every hit to crit no matter what, which lets you run some weird things like spells that normally have stupidly low base crit chance, zero crit investment, and other crit penalties and such.

it eases build investment a lot

[buoyant jungle]

https://www.mediadesignschool.com/news/studios-door-when-game-industry-interviews-happen-campus

Interesting 👀

[slow niche]

can you spy on my wife's boyfriend?

[fossil mural]

What about boyfriends wife

[slow niche]

real

lmao

[fossil mural]

[wintry lily]

can you look into d

[fossil mural]

Dn

[wintry lily]

damn

[leaden quiver]

Why is it cope

[wintry lily]

i didnt get my dn joke

[leaden quiver]

What does gen cry do

[wintry lily]

😔

[leaden quiver]

Oh it allows them to always do big aoe

[soft perch]

crit staff guardian

[tranquil sedge]

no but you can get ||deez nuts||

[soft perch]

generals cry

[leaden quiver]

Im doing holy strike into domblow

[proud gorge]

including the Grey shrines, there's 8 (or 9 if you include Resonating) Offensive Shrines, and 5 (6 if you include Resonating) Defensive Shrines. So it's definitely more offensively biased, but not overwhelmingly so.

[wintry lily]

i can tell this is a dn joke just by the length

[leaden quiver]

Vaal domination has big clear now

[fossil mural]

Bro holy strike looks like one of the most dogshit clear skills, unless it works with extra hits at least.

[tranquil sedge]

[proud gorge]

not including the grey shrines, the ratio gets more balanced, at 5 (or 6 with Resonating) Offensive shrines, and 4 (or 5 with Resonating) Defensive shrines

but it'll probably roll grey shrines

[noble sleet]

My god… this belt has so many build options.. ohh man I would love this on Poe 2 with my cast on crit gem dude lmao

[soft perch]

i just think generals cry guardian might be a real archetype

because it has 4 great nodes

[fossil mural]

In poe2 it would have a gigantic downside

[leaden quiver]

Doesnt

I mean, your hit does work

Minions dont

Minions are like 60% of the damage tho

[noble sleet]

Yeah I wonder was resonating shrine that op or something… did it only get nerfed cause of this belt? Lmao

[dense rock]

holy strike cast on stun absolution with herald of purity with pantless priests perma minions? 😛

[soft perch]

like generals cry can actually use the fucking hallowing flame notable

which probably sucks for everything else

[noble sleet]

My screens black

[soft perch]

which is kinda funny

[fossil mural]

How do you know that. And also how does it work? Do they split between hits? Do they all hit each additional target?

[soft perch]

why would it work with extra strikes

theyre minions

theyre basically animate weapons

[leaden quiver]

Your extra strikes target others

Ur minions attack the main one

[fossil mural]

Your extra strikes

[leaden quiver]

Likely

[soft perch]

yes

theyre minions

[leaden quiver]

You can test that in The Coast on leaguestart

[slow niche]

since the shrine belt drops from a boss that means it can be target farmed right? that means it won't be mageblood expensive right?

[leaden quiver]

Btw

[soft perch]

they dont get your stats they just inherit your weapon stats

[dense rock]

doesnt it get like 4k total bonus dmg%? 😄

[proud gorge]

I mean, the thing about PoE2 is that Charms are a lot weaker than our Flasks, so it'd probably have a more significant downside than that. Maybe "While you have no reserved Spirit" or something

[whole bluff]

It's katabasis melee range on the minions

[leaden quiver]

No

[proud gorge]

while not affected by any Auras?

[leaden quiver]

They deal 268 each + 390 player

[wintry lily]

depends on the chance of getting a viable belt

[leaden quiver]

So like 1100 dmg eff?

[hybrid harness]

the invitation can be expensive, and then very low droprate, and then u need to hit exact combo. best ones will be expensive I reckon

[leaden quiver]

Still good

[proud gorge]

also depends on how easy/hard it is to encounter the boss

all we know so far is that the boss can be fought after interfering too much

[slow niche]

doesn't it drop from the boss introduced in 3.28? the self decapitating guy?

[proud gorge]

but for all we know it'll be super low encounter rate

[hybrid harness]

like imagine progenesis but then u need a 1/100 combo or whatever the odds are

[dense rock]

pretty good for a skill used to mark enemies to take more dmg from minions 😄

[leaden quiver]

Any opinion on new orb of storms?

[hybrid harness]

hopefuilly not weighted btw

[wintry lily]

and I imagine everyone is likely going to try and farm it anyways

So invitation prices go up

[hybrid harness]

yea

[surreal musk]

in this analogy it would be like if normal maven dropped progen and every map had destructive play as the league mechanic

[slow niche]

is it an invitation like maven's?

[proud gorge]

if you're trying to hit specifically Resistance + Echoing, assuming all shrine rolls are even odds and Resonating counts as offensive, that'd be 1/45. Not the worst. If you're going for Resistance + Echoing/Accelerating, it'd instead be 2/45, or around 1/22.5.

[slow niche]

god i hope no more memory puzzle or "you touched laser, no regen for you"

[hybrid harness]

thats not bad assuming not weighted

[wintry lily]

dont worry, we have "you will die if you touch this" maybe

[proud gorge]

If you're going for Resistance + any offensive shrine other than Brutal, it'd be a comfortable 8/45, or around 1/5.625

[noble sleet]

Ohh yeah Charms are kinda meh.. lol. Tho one of them is like worth 3k divines lmao. I thimk they said they’re gonna rework them and eventually they’ll be 6 charm slots like wtf. I guess they’re supposed to be the replacement to the utility flask in a way

[tranquil sedge]

idm it coz this game barely has any skill checks anyway

[wintry lily]

exarch has the hardest skill check

[tranquil sedge]

not that its much of a check you can just fix it with more dps anyway

[soft perch]

seems bad

[noble sleet]

The shrine that makes you bigger is gonna be funny lol. Plus 50% aoe also seems op

[proud gorge]

though that "any offensive shrine" does include Skeletons, Freezing, and Shocking

[soft perch]

cooldown + hit limit

[slow niche]

just get more dps, you have 6 portals anyway

[tranquil sedge]

pay for 6, get to use 6

sounds right

[dense rock]

"Oh you touched a beam? Hope you managed to get 75%+ of this resistance not used anywhere else or your entire run fails"

[wintry lily]

ggg bouta hit you with their fastball special, assets not rendered in and you die cuz you touched it

[fossil mural]

It probably doesnt

[scarlet jacinth]

How i do maven, memory game.. nah just die

[slow niche]

i don't think this ever happened for me tbh

[fossil mural]

It would probably be you have no spirit

[hybrid harness]

there are 3 defensive and 2 offensive that are genuinely all insane for what Im gonna play so I just need 1 combo of those to not be more expensive than MB

[fossil mural]

So cant use spirit scaling

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the weirdest thing about the Shrine belt is that, with how few shrines there are in the game, and it being split to guarentee one offense and one defense shrine, there's only 45 total variants

[final owl]

thats pretty much it for me. they must have stats for it. i wonder what percentage of players do maven deathless in a league

[proud gorge]

or 48 if Resonating counts as defensive

[slow niche]

i hope gloom shrine and resonating shrine are part of that belt ngl

[fossil mural]

Resonating is for sure

[scarlet jacinth]

I put in enough effort for the maven writ, i best use all the portals it gave me heh

[proud gorge]

Gloom is such a fun shrine honestly

[fossil mural]

Otherwise it wouldnt get nerfed

[whole bluff]

I'd say 5×9 to 7×7

[fossil mural]

Gloom shrine maybe not

[noble sleet]

Okay what makes gloom shrine op? I read it and was just like ohh that’s nice

[fossil mural]

Solves clear?

[proud gorge]

Gloom is one of the best sources of explode in the game, so it solves clear by itself

[hybrid harness]

gloom + aoe shrine then u use a walking sim skill

like rf

[dense rock]

not quite but its not that far off. 392% effectiveness of added dmg and each of the 3 summons deal 168% more dmg

[proud gorge]

slap it on any build with good single target but bad clear, and it's instantly got good clear now

[hexed mountain]

boom

[fossil mural]

In poe2 shrines scale with your stats, so maybe poe1 do too?

[surreal musk]

ok but u can get explode on 1 cluster notable which is about 1/10th the opportunity cost

[wintry lily]

Wish granted, every shrine nerfed.

[scarlet jacinth]

What boss gave the shrine belt again?

[fossil mural]

Its cope that they have de

[whole bluff]

The belt swapping might be real

[hexed mountain]

new league boss

[hexed mountain]

the good part is it gives chaos res and int

belt swapping off HH and seeing you're missing 50 dex 50 str

[scarlet jacinth]

Ah a new boss, some uber variant or normal?

[hexed mountain]

no uber

[fossil mural]

Notable is low chance

[hexed mountain]

its the mirage league boss not a new core boss

[dense rock]

i can see this shit happening multiple times a league...

[scarlet jacinth]

Amazing, haven't looked at the new bosses really. How did we get the invite for this one?

[noble sleet]

I haven’t been this hyped for a unique in… idk how long.. it’s like them uber d4 shako uniques lol

[void oasis]

yo guys im level 47 tryna do blood aquaduct and its almost like im getitng LESS xp than if i was level 70?? does anyone know how i can level im severly underlevelled in the campaign

[hexed mountain]

no idea

[fossil mural]

We dont know

[surreal musk]

yes ur severly underleveld

[scarlet jacinth]

That explains why i couldn't find it. Haha

[hexed mountain]

there's xp penalty for being above and below

[dawn sluice]

did you twink level lol

[fossil mural]

You have like 99.99% penalty lmao

[void oasis]

wtf? im under levelled it still gives a penalty?

[wintry lily]

TWINK LEVELLING? BRO WAS SNEAKING PAST THEM AS A TWINK.

[hexed mountain]

obviously

[fossil mural]

Yes, severe one

[void oasis]

damn wtf

[hexed mountain]

or people would get boosted the campain in one hour then level to 70 in 20 minutes

[wintry lily]

You will get like 1 level just passing by the zones killing stuff here and there or some shit

[proud gorge]

yeah but the cluster jewel notables are: 15% for 10% life explode with attacks, 10% chance for 25% life explode with wand attacks, and 10% chance of 25% life chaos explosion (unconditional) which is probably the best one.

Gloom is 40% chance of 25% life chaos explosion, which is very good. It's higher investment, yeah, but it's also much more reliable for clear.

like don't get me wrong

Gloom is probably going to be optimal on nobody

[hybrid harness]

I learnt that the hard way after paying 5d for 5way when I was lvl 58 or smth. paid for fuck all

[proud gorge]

but it's a very fun shrine

[hexed mountain]

also it should scale with gull

[scarlet jacinth]

Be lvl 78 atleast!

[wintry lily]

That was a happy 5 way runner that day

[slow niche]

oh that's cool, is there a build taking advantage of all the charges? i still miss the times where you could use discharge with the weapon swap tech

[hybrid harness]

78?? I get to 70 but not more nowadays

[wintry lily]

I think 78 is optimal

cuz no penalty

[slow niche]

wtf discord sending the message after 5 minutes

[stray sedge]

To be fair, if someone was providing a service for that and didn't point out how useless it would be, that's not a good service, that's just a greedy mofo

[fossil mural]

Discharge

[wintry lily]

But i've seen people be there at 70 before

[proud gorge]

and yeah, Resonating is a very fun shrine also

[wintry lily]

you get less levels tho likely

[proud gorge]

there's a lot of stuff on this belt that's very fun

not optimal, not at all, but very fun

[scarlet jacinth]

You can be there at lower levels the question is just how good it'll be for whatever price you are paying

[hexed mountain]

resonating got nerfed but i could see someone run a flicker build with the belt on resonating

[hybrid harness]

not a big loss

[proud gorge]

I'm excited to farm a belt and then just play whatever the fuck I get lmao

[hexed mountain]

thats definitely wrong

[proud gorge]

just build a character to use whatever bullshit the belt rolls

[fossil mural]

It had to be either ingame chat carry, or the dude didnt read the rules/tips/messages from the carry. Cause in tft they have their own section you have to agree to before they let you buy 5way

[fossil mural]

It probably means you get 0.4% of exp

[hexed mountain]

i was leveling in phrecia and my newly arrived to map level 70 char was getting much much less xp in T16s when my friend invited me to test

[fossil mural]

Which is prob true

[hybrid harness]

dude I level to like 85 my first 5 runs when I buy at 70

[proud gorge]

Skeleton + Shouded? I'm sure there's something there

[hybrid harness]

I do it every league

[proud gorge]

maybe some sort of weird minion sacrifice build

[hexed mountain]

i usually do abyss magic stuff and get a level per abyss but do level 70 then 75 then 80 map

[fossil mural]

Penalty at higher ilvls is less annoying

[wintry lily]

Slightly worse bismuth flask and a "Not your minion" skeleton horde

[fossil mural]

Its not like acts

[hexed mountain]

i hope the greater shrines are fun

wouldnt mind scaling shock effect on greater lightning shrine with gull and do some funny lightning conduit

[fossil mural]

They probably just give extra

[sly basalt]

morning gents

[atomic kiln]

Have they said where the map crafting modifier power is being added to, or how? Specifically the awakened map modifiers from the scarab?

[fossil mural]

Astrolabes

[hexed mountain]

they made base scarabs stronger to balance no craft

base settlers is +3

[proud gorge]

but yeah, given that they described Gem Infusions as the main borrowed power this league, and given how much fun the item design is, I have to assume Screams is going core. And if it does, I wonder if they'll be doing a mini-shrine-rework to add a whole bunch more new shrine effects to the game

[fossil mural]

Imbued was a different thing

[scarlet jacinth]

God knows how common / good they'll be especially with the reward area at the end they mentioned. Looking forward to it

[hexed mountain]

imbued is deadge

[atomic kiln]

So astrolabe and base scarab made stronger?

[fossil mural]

It might exist on astrolabes

Maybe a weaker version

[proud gorge]

yeah, I think they said something like "if you do a lot of farming you might find two coins a day"

which is wild

[scarlet jacinth]

Coins?

[proud gorge]

that's insanely rare for an item that rolls a random support effect

[fossil mural]

Nah, they said its expected to get a coin a day

Like for a normie

[leaden quiver]

anyway, new op farm for next league

[scarlet jacinth]

What did i miss, coins?

[fossil mural]

But they actually have 0 idea

[hybrid harness]

best part of archmage is that the loss of 21 gem for +support barely matters

[fossil mural]

Boss rush

[proud gorge]

the infusion coins, they let you corrupt a gem with a random level 1 support gem effect

of a particular color

[leaden quiver]

is going to be
bloodlines
glittering
incensed swarm
lordship
whatever last scarab you want

[fossil mural]

Block all mechanics so mirage spawns at the boss room

[leaden quiver]

maybe settlers to make sure that bismuth spawns

[fossil mural]

Farm full mirage maps

Sell them for mirrors

Or smth

[leaden quiver]

.

[proud gorge]

but yeah, we'll have to see how hard those coins are to actually farm

[leaden quiver]

sounds very much like current blight lol

[atomic kiln]

Add a level 1 gem to an existing gem to give it more power, ie: seven link on a 6L setup. But you trade off +1 gem level.

[proud gorge]

if there's some dedicated farm strategy that spits them out

[noble sleet]

Man… if divine shrine was on this belt but like idk it’s the rarest of th rarest tho.. 0.000001% drop chance or something lol

[scarlet jacinth]

Ah those.

[hexed mountain]

gotta pob cold dot , might be decent with trans gem

[proud gorge]

no way they'd let Divine Shrine exist lmao

[fossil mural]

Lesser divine shrine

[scarlet jacinth]

Just gotta wait for the fubgun strat 9000div an hour 500 coins a map strat haha

[proud gorge]

GGG absolutely refuses to let immortal builds exist

and for good reason

[fossil mural]

Mercs

[proud gorge]

to be fair mercs were very mortal until people complained

[leaden quiver]

will be

[fossil mural]

Cope

But might be funny

Puddles zooming around

[scarlet jacinth]

What are you playing Salty?

[leaden quiver]

cold dot was already good on glad with vaal cold snap

¯_(ツ)_/¯

cold rf

but with actual damage

[fossil mural]

Phys dot glad into ele hit into discharge

[dark shoal]

Aren't they already decent?

[hybrid harness]

will cold dot ever be the same as long as u cant left click vortex

[hexed mountain]

idk what to go even on cold dot , occultist looks like not great damage

[fossil mural]

Single target is meh

[hexed mountain]

15% more cold and -20 cold res sounds mid

[scarlet jacinth]

Not your favourite minion build? Animate weapon

[hexed mountain]

maybe hiero for more spell damage actually

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/very-funny-haha-kid-eyebrows-gif-4038652058740087557

[short prairie]

Anime* weapons

[final owl]

i think what is considered " a lot of farming" varies pretty wildly, even among relatively casual players. 1 coin a day means nothing. if they mentioned how many maps that might be it might be useful information :I

[tight plinth]

theres really nothing else, cant even scale it much with aura effect from zealotry

[dark shoal]

Should be fine if I like blight.

[soft perch]

they said no anyay

[scarlet jacinth]

Anime weapon of ranged weebs

[hexed mountain]

looks like hiero clears occu with just the arcane surge node

[tight plinth]

oh true i forgot about that

wait is it better?

[surreal musk]

ele is def best for cold dot
assuming its on a giga budget char, which is the only time u shud be playing cold dot

[leaden quiver]

arcane surge with new graft is going to be insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane batchest

[hexed mountain]

i mean its 20% more damage inc by arcane surge effect

[atomic kiln]

Grafts are going bye bye though wym?

[hybrid harness]

explain

[onyx adder]

hey guys how bored are u all

[soft perch]

occultist just fucking sucks in general

[onyx adder]

who wants to pob this

[leaden quiver]

arcane surge grants 15% life recovery rate

[hexed mountain]

unless you stack ES yeah

[leaden quiver]

whats the damage on it

[hybrid harness]

is recovery rate all sources or just regen

[onyx adder]

lets go

[hexed mountain]

all sources

[onyx adder]

400de

[leaden quiver]

you lose 2 links already for cursed ground + curse

[hybrid harness]

thats big

[short prairie]

I want to pob reliquarian flicker, pls help

[leaden quiver]

but you get saboteur to spawn stuff I guess

whats the rest of the gem nerd

post it here

[hybrid harness]

well assuming u have spare mastery

[leaden quiver]

all that arent instant

[onyx adder]

that process is easy u click brass dome click terminus est click 37 random tree nodes realize its terrible and uninstall pob

[dark shoal]

Uly spotted

[proud gorge]

but yeah, thus far my league plans are:
Leaguestart Trinity EHit Slayer
Cold DoT something (Occultist maybe? Usually it's Elementalist but they did lose a lot on golems)
Triggerbots Jiquani's Saboteur (tried this last league but never hit the big breakpoint where it really pops off)
Holy Flame Totems? Maybe a weird multi-nova-totem build on Reliquarian with Astral Projector and Cadigan's Authority? Could be fun.
Whatever build I roll with the random Screams belt I farm.

[hexed mountain]

only one cursed ground and 1 toad at a time looks like DoA ngl

[proud gorge]

that's my shortlist for now anyways

[short prairie]

[leaden quiver]

panda spotted

[onyx adder]

as if nobody is keen to pob toaderbots with me

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, and Poison Spells of some sort

[leaden quiver]

WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS

[onyx adder]

400de

[leaden quiver]

I AM ASKING YOU WAY TOO DUMB

WHAT IS THE FLAT DAMAGE

[proud gorge]

I'll probably add more builds once we see some of those new Exceptionals

[onyx adder]

every 0.8 seconds

[leaden quiver]

HOLY FUCKKK

IM GOING TO EXPLODE

[dark shoal]

I assume you want cdr for toad spam

[leaden quiver]

yeah, saboteur

[surreal musk]

i cant imagine how terrible this would play with your toads just spawning on your bots lol

[leaden quiver]

they are a spell probably so triggerbots + saboteur

[onyx adder]

its like 3200 chaos damage or something

[main pike]

I wanted to play mines but I also want something relatively tanky 😔

[leaden quiver]

unless the trigger every 0.8sec is not affected by CDR

which would make sense as cwc doesnt do that either

[onyx adder]

which is very high for a 400de spell actually it means it'll scale like crap with flat

yea its got cwc wording

[leaden quiver]

yeah thats like 12k flat

[surreal musk]

ignite toads login

[leaden quiver]

no ignite

[tight plinth]

with worms its like 4000 de

[proud gorge]

but yeah, that's, like, 6 builds queued up

[leaden quiver]

just regular triggerbot stuff

[brazen vector]

Noooo keepers is over ;_;

[leaden quiver]

@onyx adder seems like a good skill for festering resentment tbh xd

[onyx adder]

ok i actually laughed

well done

[leaden quiver]

refresher on what it does

[onyx adder]

festering toaderbots

i like it

[soft perch]

hey that does work

[onyx adder]

the most important thing about this is the build name btw

[soft perch]

toadblaster

[surreal musk]

with that dagger your chaos damage can now poison holy

[dark shoal]

Should work with toads

[leaden quiver]

that looks fun tbh

[wintry lily]

just call it festering toads

[leaden quiver]

can you post the entire gem wtd

im going to explode

festering toadblaster

[onyx adder]

the aoe looked pretty big from the reveal

https://poedb.tw/ru/Hextoad_Support

[atomic kiln]

Festoads

[hexed mountain]

man elem might be the better choice

sad

[soft perch]

scaling poison chance on spells is annoying

[proud gorge]

oh hey, here's an idea

[onyx adder]

idk why my poedb is russian

[leaden quiver]

oh it also inflicts withered, interesting

[onyx adder]

yea man 1 withered per toad its pog

[hexed mountain]

1 toad per 0.8 sec inflicting ONE wither tho

[leaden quiver]

oh wait that already creates cursed ground, only 1 link lost

[dark shoal]

400% ed.