1┃general

[proud gorge]

but yeah, removing those nodes just gives you an extra ascendancy

[onyx adder]

being like yep guys skipping lab till 50 again

[proud gorge]

that reminds me, I assume Reliquarian will also have FFs

which means Scion will have an absolutely stupid amount of FFs

[elfin shale]

They will not

[tight plinth]

does ancestral call give you additional lightning buffy thingy from new static strike?

[elfin shale]

Confirmed in patch notes

Since they intend to change the uniques every league

[bitter bluff]

I am tempted to play Reliquarian for the Kinetic Fusilade strats

I played daughter of Oshabi in Phrecia and liked the wisps

[hexed mountain]

if they removed those passives you could circle back to weapon wheel onuber lab

[proud gorge]

Huh, interesting. Like, understandable, but at the same time that is also a weird difference between Reliquarian and every other ascendancy in the game

[onyx adder]

item number 57 on the list of things we could argue about all day till launch but unfortunately cannot confirm

[proud gorge]

it made sense when it was a Phrecia ascendancy, but now it's a "real" ascendancy

I guess the justification is going to be that since its nodes change every league, it having FFs would be impractical

or something

[hexed mountain]

that's not the only problem

[proud gorge]

it's the only ascendancy that can't FF its own nodes though

which is a bit weird

[elfin shale]

Is there any way to make shock chill besides a full conflux

[tranquil sedge]

yea but also it gets the excuse for it by being virtue of the only ascendency that behaves weirdly

[hexed mountain]

it would just create legacy FFs every league and potentially enable stuff that they would have to address

its just not worth the hassle

even if standard is broken by default you probably dont want to enable some combos on top

[tight plinth]

also the weapon nodes were probably designed to never interact with each other

[lucid gale]

I love when I have a new account and remember that Scion is an unlock ^_^

[cobalt blade]

nah they can reassign them

[finite quail]

how the fuck am I gonna fix this mana cost bruh

[cobalt blade]

theyve already done that when changing nodes

[onyx adder]

shock cant ever chill

[tranquil sedge]

how often do you have a new account? 😄

[onyx adder]

are u asking whether its possible to make the same hit chill and shock?

[elfin shale]

lightning damage

[umbral crag]

I pob it and it was kinda meh?

[hexed mountain]

they could but do they want to

[lucid gale]

Or was that condition changed some leagues ago?

[bitter bluff]

Is Beacon of Madness viable this league? Since you can double up on time clasp and only need 34 debuff expiry for the 6 second breakpoint?

[cobalt blade]

i know im just saying that would be the solution lol

[tranquil sedge]

still have to rescue her act 3 once per acc afaik

[tight plinth]

laviangas?

[cobalt blade]

over legacy ones

[hexed mountain]

need a bit more with server tics

[cobalt blade]

replenshing belt

[tranquil sedge]

wiki:

Because of her high learning curve, she's initially unavailable to new players. The player must rescue the Scion, who can be found in the final area of Act 3, just before the fight with the final boss of this act. Killing the boss is not required to free the Scion. This can be done in any league to permanently unlock her as an accessible character.

[tight plinth]

vaal clarity

[finite quail]

well no, you want to consume mana

[tight plinth]

oh

[finite quail]

also no because its not consistent

[hexed mountain]

i think it was around 254% to count in tic rate or smth

still easy to get

with temporal rift and arakaali panth

[bitter bluff]

Do I need to unlock her every league? Or was Keepers enough?

[elfin shale]

damn is this after accounting for repeats not costing mana

[cobalt blade]

just once ever

[tranquil sedge]

just once, ever

[surreal musk]

you cant unlick her

[lucid gale]

Whenever I have a new database or otherwise have a fresh start.

[surreal musk]

once youve gone down that hole there is no going back

[tight plinth]

i dont wanna unlick her

[hexed mountain]

[hybrid harness]

doood this is actually nice for archmage lmao and I doubt it doesnt make it into the game

[finite quail]

No

[tranquil sedge]

oh okay

[finite quail]

I don't know how to account for repeats

[tranquil sedge]

well no the first step to do that is licking her im pretty sure we can't do that either

-# unfortunately

[hexed mountain]

tbh most shrines look like a better belt than a rare

[bitter bluff]

Would y'all consider Self-use KF bait?

[hexed mountain]

no

[tight plinth]

no

[cobalt blade]

slowly but surely converting people to repelenshing shrine

[hexed mountain]

its very good

[tranquil sedge]

no, its good too

[hexed mountain]

but self use KF has the league start issue of requiring uniques to gatling

[tight plinth]

people are using ballista cause they just find it comfier

[lucid gale]

I only have two accounts in the live game, main one and one that serves as guild leader for my old guild.

[hybrid harness]

repleneshing would be a defensive I assume, that + echo for shock nova holy fuuck

[hexed mountain]

i wouldnt say its about being comfier , but cheaper to enable

[onyx adder]

oh u want ur lightning damage to chill? then yea sure theres a few ways, converting it to cold is the obvious way but theres also shaper of winter

[tight plinth]

some people prefer to be the machine gun themselves

[bitter bluff]

I wanna avoid totems in general since I find them boring

[tranquil sedge]

it will let you move around instead of having to stand and attack

[onyx adder]

u can also chill separately with effects like skitterbots or ground effects or necro or whatever

[tranquil sedge]

you can place them and keep movin as u please

[hexed mountain]

you can self cast , did it most of keepers , but you have to pay the reduced duration tax on jewelry

[hybrid harness]

man I beg the shrines are kept as is and they are giga rare, this is the motivation I need to grind

[tranquil sedge]

if u self cast then you have to stand and attack

so different playstyles for different outcomes

[hexed mountain]

you dont stand and attack on KF

[cobalt blade]

my personal favourite is just taking the minimum chill mastery and getting added cold on an abyss jewel^

[tranquil sedge]

with probably different gear requirements too

[bitter bluff]

lightning warp/tornado/spellslinger is what I did in Phrecia

[hexed mountain]

you're maxing reduced duration , if you selfcast you warpslinger and you glide through the map

[tranquil sedge]

kf, kinetic fusilade? i watched lolcohol's video, i thought u stood and attacked

[tranquil sedge]

any video i could watch on this

[molten hazel]

when is the expected reveal for the new bloodline and exceptional gems ?

[hexed mountain]

lolcohol's build is questionable with all due respect

he made a leaguestart warden version with ONE tincture

[hybrid harness]

pal made a short showcase latest vid

[tranquil sedge]

lemme go see wat i watched sec

[tranquil sedge]

kk checking

[bitter bluff]

I tried locohol's Oshabi during phrecia and it was OK

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUj74HRxFRw

this is the one i watched btw

[bitter bluff]

I felt like there may have been better options

[tranquil sedge]

gatling gun KF

[cobalt blade]

this just feels so wrong

in every way

[hexed mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzp1OcP9cZw

[cobalt blade]

the literal best node on warden

[bitter bluff]

I was honestly hoping warped time piece from RQ Scion would have included the reduced duration of skill effects

[hexed mountain]

basically this but you slinger rather than poet's pen

[onyx adder]

u mean the warden bit right

[cobalt blade]

ya warden also feels wrong

imo its gonna be ass playing without totem placement speed from hiero

[bitter bluff]

Warden with tinctures ignorest the penalty of the new chase belt right?

[cobalt blade]

but not running 2nd tincture is cursed

[tranquil sedge]

this is a twink levelling setup though right?

[hexed mountain]

yeah , you could argue its oath of spring on fusillade but really warden on KF has ZERO choice , you take the 6 tinctures points and oath of spring

[lucid gale]

Dunno, don't think there's been many hard timelines mentioned.

[cobalt blade]

yuuup

[hexed mountain]

that was to show warpslinger , you reserve warp on spellslinger and get the same effect

[cobalt blade]

havent they said theyll keep some exceptionals hidden

[tranquil sedge]

i think they're keeping exceptionals mostly for us to find on our own but might tease some of them

[onyx adder]

yea

[cobalt blade]

like in the first q/a

[onyx adder]

they said the opposite actually

well not hte opposite but the post suggested they'll keep most of them hidden

rather than a few

[hexed mountain]

to give you an idea : when you boss with warpslinger KF you often dont get hit at all because you glide around them in circles , its kind of hilarious

[cobalt blade]

tho theyll just get datamined in the 2 hours before launch probably

[lucid gale]

Worst case, I guess you're likely to find out by launch from data mining.

[onyx adder]

in b4 theryre loaded to the client like uniques

[tranquil sedge]

ill take a bit to understand this and watch the video but this looks fun and reminds me of the lightning warp asenath's ts lol

[cobalt blade]

i kinda hope they are

[onyx adder]

and u cant see em until somebody finds em

[cobalt blade]

love discovery

[hexed mountain]

need to deactivate warp for pinnacles unless you have 500apm and think you can control it enough to not hit maven lasers tho

[onyx adder]

i love discovery except in the case that it affects my league start build

[hexed mountain]

roughly the same yeah

[cobalt blade]

Ya and exceptionals don't rly do that

[onyx adder]

hey man im leaguestarting toads all day

[hexed mountain]

i wont check reddit so will see the new exceptional in ssf tchat whenever someone finds one

[onyx adder]

with cdr gem

does that even work with toad idk i didnt read it

[elfin shale]

no lol

[cobalt blade]

ill just be listening to them get linked to streamers if its discovery

[elfin shale]

its just every X seconds like cast while channelling

[hexed mountain]

idk but toads' one toad per second looks dead on arrival

[onyx adder]

toad while cursing huh

alright

[elfin shale]

Hey, its 1.2 toads per second

[hexed mountain]

on a 5L since it needs a curse

[hybrid harness]

I thought arcane cloak had better uptime

[hexed mountain]

cdr gem in?

[hybrid harness]

no

thats new right

[cobalt blade]

i mean it has rhe same limitation with every guard skill with the no cdr during effect :p

[onyx adder]

thats about right for arcane cloak

[cobalt blade]

65% is quite good

[onyx adder]

arcane surge that u get off arcane cloak is much higher

because thats not tied to the guard skill

[hybrid harness]

like its not bad but idk why I thought it was close to 90% lol

[cobalt blade]

probably thinking about indigon uptime off cloak

[lucid gale]

Go all in on toads with Arcane Croak.

[onyx adder]

💀

thanks dad

[cobalt blade]

(for like kboc or mana rf)

[hybrid harness]

yea maybe

[cobalt blade]

which 90% is about right for manarf i think

[umbral crag]

I was wondering why it felt familiar lmao

[onyx adder]

its like that except slower

[tranquil sedge]

uptime?

[worldly bridge]

what

[cobalt blade]

like uptime of the % spell damage you gain from cloaking

[tranquil sedge]

ye but what's that got to do with indigon

[cobalt blade]

because cloak is mana spend

for indigon spell dmg scaling

[tranquil sedge]

if ur playing an indigon build you wanna keep it semi ramped at all times anyway and just keep zooming

[cobalt blade]

and i think they just confused cloak uptime with indigon cloak mana spend uptime

[tranquil sedge]

cloak spend just jumpstarts the process if ur at zero recent spend

[cobalt blade]

not always possible but ye(lavianagas/mana rf indigon)

[tranquil sedge]

o

[cobalt blade]

especially mana rf

[tranquil sedge]

that makes sense

[latent sigil]

Hey team, I last played 3.26 so I missed all of 3.27 including the async trade changes. With async trade existing, is that basically the only way trading occurs now? I used to be a dump tab enjoyer.

[final owl]

yes

[cobalt blade]

p much

[onyx adder]

so theres this hallow support ggg released

who is this for

[latent sigil]

Sad for me, dump tabs were a great way of selling stuff without having to know if it was valuable or not ;p

[cobalt blade]

the poe2 players since its magnitude

[onyx adder]

is this like when ggg released all these link skills and were like SURELY SOMEBODY

[tranquil sedge]

its not like you can't still do that, but its just that not being able to set a single price on a tab makes rotating prices difficult

[onyx adder]

magnitude is my favourite

[tranquil sedge]

but they did say in zizaran's q&a that a request for dump tab pricing on merchant tabs has been put in

[onyx adder]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Explosive_Trap_of_Magnitude

most favourite magnitude

[tranquil sedge]

so 🤞 we might get that eventually

[cobalt blade]

lmao

But maybe its for like the holy strike players? let the minions consume it or smth

seems bad tho since just phys as extra

[blazing nymph]

Pop pop!

[faint locust]

new static strike = lightning strike of arcing with worse clear?

[tight plinth]

dont think its main draw is the clear

[cobalt blade]

should be more dmg than current arcing if its hitting with beam and melee

[tight plinth]

substantially more at full ramp

[cobalt blade]

ye

[tight plinth]

wait, isnt this just smite

[cobalt blade]

i am currently in a toss up between that skill and shock nova of procession

[onyx adder]

it could be smite

it could be wild strike

it could be melee arc

[tight plinth]

my guess is smite

[cobalt blade]

Had not realized the shock nova was .25 cast speed albiet with 2 repeats

[onyx adder]

this skill is not possible to tell from the wording

[cobalt blade]

and it looks like the quality is more cast speed based on reading the game

[main osprey]

shock nova procession looks way too funny to not use for me

[tight plinth]

shocknova poison

[onyx adder]

if u assume what like 4 hits total out of 6?

[hexed mountain]

slayer sweep is kinda calling me ngl... i want to holy strike templar but... hydrosphere worms memes...

[cobalt blade]

yeah

[onyx adder]

from the 3 repeats

[full kraken]

Assuming my twister jewelery is fairly unaffordable for the first bit, I gotta decide on what I will league start as on gladiator 🤔

[onyx adder]

thats fireball tier of dps

[cobalt blade]

It seems about as good as bloo with 4 hits i think?

[onyx adder]

which uh

[cobalt blade]

nah its not that bad lmao

[tight plinth]

for sure 3, highly likely 4 judging from the showcase

[full kraken]

I kinda wanna try out one of the new skills, thoughts on which skill will be most fun as a gladiator with fat block chance

[hexed mountain]

the DE on the sweep burst is hilariously high

[onyx adder]

i mean fireball is 370/75

[lucid gale]

Done every league or so to keep the PoE-side non-bundled shader cache tidy - the one over in %APPDATA%\Path of Exile I believe.

[onyx adder]

this would be 380/75 at 4 hits

[full kraken]

I kinda wanna try out static strike, never played it before

[worldly bridge]

guys does imbue work on all linked skills

[onyx adder]

and maybe is better if u stand in timbuktu and lob shock novas with the hypothetical new greater spell echo

[worldly bridge]

or just the imbued gem

[onyx adder]

which i mean maybe that works but im not optimistic enough to do that

[cobalt blade]

all linked

[hexed mountain]

5456% DE on a worm's sweep

[worldly bridge]

pogging

[simple stag]

best time to do it

[hard cliff]

was thinking about whether controlled destruction on Absolution minions was worth it over just letting them create for the increased shock. Then I realized I can just use a conductivity curse in my animate Guardian to shock

[tight plinth]

normal one got a slight buff

[gritty garnet]

try it with triggerbot tawhoa

[onyx adder]

its got a target cap sorry

[hexed mountain]

yes , with target cap

that's 8 hammers

[onyx adder]

440x8x0.65+440 is not 5456

i cbf doing the actual math

[hexed mountain]

you intimidating cry

[onyx adder]

brother

oh sorry

sister

[tight plinth]

thats not fair

[hexed mountain]

if you use worms

you might as well intimidating cry you're not hitting twice

[hard cliff]

2728

[hexed mountain]

yeah x2

[onyx adder]

i can do that on every skill lul

[hexed mountain]

but not every skill has 2728% base damage

[surreal musk]

might as well weapon swap to a manastorm + arcane cloak + ambush too

[hexed mountain]

on that ONE nuke

[full kraken]

Im kinda thinking I might try out Holy Sweep ngl

[hexed mountain]

why we acting like pressing intimidating cry after worms is a 15 step combo

[karmic gust]

any strike skill has that base damage with fucking worms

[full kraken]

though Holy Hammers sheer clear seems juicy

[karmic gust]

why are ppl still trying to push that meme

[cobalt blade]

warcries bad smh

[hexed mountain]

because its funny

[hard cliff]

@hexed mountain
I thought it sounds cool

[onyx adder]

im not, im acting like pressing intimidating cry after worms is something i can do on a whole shit ton of skills

[hexed mountain]

thanks

[full kraken]

Dom blow got a decent buff

[onyx adder]

i dont think sweep is bad or anything but u wont catch me dead fucking about with some worm flask nonsense like im some obama era slayer

[tight plinth]

youre just firing off skills now

[full kraken]

Okay wait hold on

[hexed mountain]

i'm kind of considering dom blow in secondary links with holy strike and just hit once every like 20 seconds on packs since they have 3s debuff now

[icy sage]

any time I see worm flask mentioned my brain brings up the carn chainhook rip

[full kraken]

how good is Charged Dash of Project + Decay

[charred condor]

Hi guys

[tight plinth]

alo

[warm forum]

Imbued brutality/lifetap on leap slam and frostblink is gonna be convenient. I can fully ignore reflects while having lifetap

[bold scarab]

Bad

[charred condor]

I might play a ranger build for mirage

[cobalt blade]

if your asking about charged dash or decay i think its automatically bad

[tight plinth]

ive never onced seen a good decay build

[onyx adder]

decay is still bad

[hexed mountain]

heard decay stormburst is ok

[onyx adder]

i was like WOW DOUBLE DAMAGE ON STORM BURST

then i remembered how it works

lul

[full kraken]

it deals 2175% damage at max stages 🤔

[warm forum]

Wait woke ele dmg is gone. Hopefully there's a similar replacement

[tight plinth]

holy strike necro here i come

[onyx adder]

new storm burst might be okay if it doesnt move very fast

and u get a lot of shotguns

[full kraken]

Thatd be equivalent to Storm Burst at a duration of.... 11.6 seconds

[onyx adder]

like at i dunno 5 shotguns on a size 3 mob its probably super good

[hexed mountain]

its "hits from final wave deals 145% of damage per stage

probably not applying to dots

[onyx adder]

because u dont have to invest anything

[full kraken]

its the same wording storm burst has

[tight plinth]

i wonder if holy strike is available to the witch at act 1

[onyx adder]

5 is probably too many but still

[full kraken]

Storm burst:

Exploding Orbs deal 75% of Skill Damage for each 0.4 seconds of remaining Duration

[surreal musk]

guys hear me out
3k lightning res 20k mana manastorm arcane cloak rage vortex of berserking, then after you snapshot you have an ahk macro to respec your entire tree and swap all gems to an actual attack setup

[full kraken]

oh not quite the same wording

[surreal musk]

do that once every minute

[full kraken]

might not work, hard to tell

[tight plinth]

"Holy Strike can now be purchased from Nessa by the Scion upon completing Enemy at the Gate." does this mean every class can buy it?

nvm i cant read

[hexed mountain]

yeah its of skill damage not hits

[hexed mountain]

means scion has a better campain

[cobalt blade]

Eh spec throws good campaign

[tight plinth]

oh ill just mule one from a templar what am i thinking about

[onyx adder]

spec throw is a solid skill tbh

[cobalt blade]

awful playstyle but good

[hexed mountain]

yeah but you can use holy strike single target

[onyx adder]

ppl would play it if wands werent as good as they are

[hexed mountain]

early on ofc

[cobalt blade]

for sure

[hexed mountain]

as spectral throw ST isnt the best

[cobalt blade]

that im unsure on depends on how well holy strike actually works

[full kraken]

looks like it doesnt scale decay, damn lol

[cobalt blade]

get good at positioning volley

[mental violet]

So did gem reveal change anyone's starter

[hexed mountain]

sshame they dont buff spectral throw , thing got the best mtx

[onyx adder]

spectral throw ST is really good it just requires u to stand in dumb shit

[full kraken]

So... charged dash's final big boom doesnt scale ailments, and doesnt scale decay

the fuck else can we scale with that tho

[onyx adder]

hence naca earlier comment about awful playstyle

[hexed mountain]

i want to make some ele buzzsaw spectral throw like the good old times

[tight plinth]

i saw a spectral throw wilma+saviour build

looks cool

[cobalt blade]

energy blade

[onyx adder]

💀

[mental violet]

Lol savior league start

[full kraken]

...huh?

[hexed mountain]

do saviour clones bypass ancestral bond?

[tight plinth]

who said league start?

yeah

[hexed mountain]

damn thats actually funny

[cobalt blade]

just play big flat charged dash

[tight plinth]

they so fast

[full kraken]

thats not something special to charged dash lol

[hexed mountain]

might give it a go later on see how it goes

[native token]

I hope mirage is ssf friendly

[noble sleet]

Are yall a bit disappointed ele hit got nerfed right after the interview?

[full kraken]

Im eyeing that massive single big punch we can do with charged dash's new big final boom with the new version

trying to figure out some way we can abuse that huge explosion

[tight plinth]

ele hit didnt get nerfed tho

it wasnt buffed, theres a difference.

[cobalt blade]

i mean fair but its charged dash isnt that special enough

[split maple]

Doesn't look like it is rn

[full kraken]

no lol...

[soft perch]

u can maybe go gen cry charged dash

dnno if its good tho

[cobalt blade]

It seems ssf friendly to me? Astrolabes coming from destructive play

[onyx adder]

im worried about blessed orb availability early

[main osprey]

generals cry yeah

[onyx adder]

for ssf

its gonna be aids

[full kraken]

it is a lot of damage yeah

[onyx adder]

u heard it here first

[cobalt blade]

Ah yea this isa good point

gonna be ass for guardians

[main osprey]

it's probably on par or slithgly better than blade flurry

the final wave effectiveness is really good

[full kraken]

the fact it had its damage doubled is nice

[hexed mountain]

they did say double currency drop tho

[onyx adder]

i like a lot of the other changes

[split maple]

Conversion scarb changes, dunno about availability of corrupt gem coins, vivid vultures seem kinda ass to get

Etc etc

[full kraken]

but I definitely wanna first consider if there is truly no way we can abuse that huge explosion itself

[native token]

Why

[hexed mountain]

also the changes look like they dropped exalt droprate to chaos droprate levels

[tight plinth]

4 divs before maps lesgo

[split maple]

Also frac orbs rarity worries me

[hexed mountain]

which is massive for ssf

[full kraken]

Like what about uhhhhhh

Impale?

[tranquil sedge]

true but it's also been added to sanctum
so that may help

[onyx adder]

ssf doesnt use exalts except on like

jewels

[full kraken]

I dunno, what other effects scale based on hitting the enemy really hard

[cobalt blade]

idr see the issue with conversion scarab change it seems marginally better to me if it works with terrors admittedly bad if it doesnt

[native token]

Expedition gives plenty

[cobalt blade]

and wording wise id assume it does

[main osprey]

i was thinking about running sanctum highkey in the hopes of frac orbs

[hexed mountain]

frac drop rate is a buff for me i was basically getting at most one frac orb a league in ssf (just grabbing some annuls with a few harbi maps here and there)

[onyx adder]

i thought they were rebalancing tujen too

did i misread that aptch note

[noble sleet]

So currency drops will be double just off the get go?

[split maple]

Rn with Strong map strats like blight it was more than inventory of maps

[tranquil sedge]

just fossil removal (and i assume also resonators)

[hexed mountain]

double but not for the GIGA currencies

[cobalt blade]

Other shit tho is fair

[cobalt blade]

ic

[tight plinth]

they removed some stuff from him like fossils and what not

[hexed mountain]

so hinekora/mirror not doubled

[onyx adder]

and clusters and abyss jewels removed from tujen

which is shithouse

[tranquil sedge]

oh yea that too

[split maple]

Man matron scour ex ex repeat 😄

[onyx adder]

but i guess im parked in exped early again

[tranquil sedge]

tujen taking the death by a thousand cuts slow decline

[onyx adder]

because i dont think tree will be good

[hexed mountain]

matron became much more common in normal einhar missions too

[hybrid harness]

what mechanic could shock nova be good at

[tight plinth]

but since fract are global pool, he mostly like have them in his shop

[opal ingot]

Until exped 2.0 yay

[native token]

You use many. Bench crafts or meta crafting or to just add random mods to a good item sometimes

[hybrid harness]

I havent even thought of what I wanna farm yet

[hexed mountain]

so crafting shaped helm will be much easier

[split maple]

Oh fossils being delve only gonna feel like ass too

[blazing nymph]

Any ideas what mirage enhanced expeditions will give? Maybe currencies that expand the shop options again?

[onyx adder]

most of those needed divines

[hard cliff]

@tranquil sedge @split maple

[hexed mountain]

maybe implicits on logblooks

[onyx adder]

its not like the 1 exalt u used per league to put 5th mod on item was a sink

[cobalt blade]

all the remnants roll damage immunitys good luck

[onyx adder]

it will be more of a sink this league tho its true

because the crafts themselves are more expensive

4ex instead of 1

[hexed mountain]

crafting penance brand helm eating like dozens and dozens of exalt tho

[split maple]

Caster helmets were a strong enough sink for me

[hexed mountain]

matron scour ex ex gaming

[cobalt blade]

Think for ssf youll just have to commit to doing vendor recipe and its fine

[hard cliff]

Rog invites you to his tabletop game (canon BTW)

[cobalt blade]

store all ur shitty influ item bases

[onyx adder]

💀

[native token]

I hope I can get a fast mageblood in ssf

[onyx adder]

bro out here making me do vendor recipe with nerfed item droprates

[hexed mountain]

they adjusted droprate , it looks like exalts will be several a map once you juice

[onyx adder]

er

sis

[hybrid harness]

I heard that ex will be made more common ontop of the 2x buff, true or bs

[cobalt blade]

full orb tho

[onyx adder]

idk anymore i dont wanna offend

[cobalt blade]

lol

sis :3

[split maple]

Cassie when was the last time you didn't get mageblood in first two weeks

[hexed mountain]

it matches the changes to craft price and receipe

[tight plinth]

where did they say the thing with the fossil only being in delve again?

[split maple]

Like does league even matter for you

[tight plinth]

its not in the patch notes

[hexed mountain]

so yeah ex and regal much more common

[split maple]

Qna

[hybrid harness]

oh wow so both ex and annul way more common than div now

[tight plinth]

right

[cobalt blade]

q/a from octavian if theyve done their due diligence

[cobalt blade]

annuls gonna be ass without harby i think

[native token]

Never happens so far. Mageblood or headhunter prio week 2 was done since 2.6

[native token]

Mageblood isn't even that rare

[hard cliff]

YOU WILL

affirm it now

[hexed mountain]

just do unique astrolabe spamm

surely they will shit out T0s

[native token]

My plan was tree

For uniqs

[cobalt blade]

surely you get foulborn tree blood

[hexed mountain]

yeah i'm taking tree on first atlas too to gear up

[hexed mountain]

will see how good it is

[native token]

It's unchanged

[lucid gale]

@tight plinth ^

[hexed mountain]

i hope they didnt lower the 150 rolls for links and socket

[tight plinth]

oooh thanks zao

[hexed mountain]

i want my free 6L

[split maple]

They Said they did

[hard cliff]

add me in Standard

[hexed mountain]

then not too low i guess

[lilac fern]

is this league worth playing?

[proud gorge]

I mean, yes

[native token]

Doesn't realy matter tbh

[hexed mountain]

nah its shit play D4

[proud gorge]

all leagues are worth playing

[onyx adder]

theres a few changes to tree

[cobalt blade]

1 roll

[hard cliff]

what league

[proud gorge]

it's a great game

[split maple]

can i still get 40/40

[onyx adder]

Lowered how much Modifier Tier Rating is granted to Rare items generated from Kingsmarch Shipping, Kingsmarch Mapping, Gambling and the Genesis Tree.

[native token]

Not for uniqs

[onyx adder]

this shit im pretty sure is going to suck for tree

oh yea sure sure

[split maple]

gambling changes gonna be pita in campaign

[onyx adder]

its prolly similar for uniques although they said all the tree nodes are changing too

[native token]

They already confirmed it

[cobalt blade]

ye im glad they did this tho i wish they didnt touch campaign gambling

[onyx adder]

im also glad they did this

[hard cliff]

check inside your cats left ear

[native token]

Along I can get my fracture bases

[proud gorge]

I mean yeah, the value of the tree was that it spat out stupidly good items, so any nerf to it to not let it skip a bunch of crafting steps is inherently going to be a lot worse. Now the equipment side of the tree is more for campaign gear and SSF.

[native token]

Tree is op

[lilac fern]

its a guardian league yea?

[proud gorge]

rather than spitting out stupidly good mid-endgame gear

[onyx adder]

yea well without tier bonus we might see a lot of fractured +3 life

[cobalt blade]

it prob still gets used in trade too if fracture node isnt gone

[onyx adder]

and shit like that

[hard cliff]

Templar in general

[proud gorge]

though presumably you can still roll really good gear, just a lot more rarely yeah

[cobalt blade]

fractured jewels or something or were those one of the removed things

[proud gorge]

on the other hand, the other two slots on the tree still exist

er

three

[cobalt blade]

(where mod tier rating didnt rly matter)

[proud gorge]

Uniques, Currency, and Mystery

[onyx adder]

only weap[ons i think were cut

and quiver

[cobalt blade]

ah

Ye then jewels will prolly be not bad

[hexed mountain]

hm there's someone who talked about a potential tec on holy strike on reddit

[proud gorge]

yeah the tree could make way too good of weapons

[native token]

If I can farm all my fracture bases in like 10h instead of 2 it's more then enough

[onyx adder]

i hope it only takes 10h

[hexed mountain]

idk if it could work but basically summon the 3 holy armaments on weapon set 2 (same holy strike links or they would disapear)

[hybrid harness]

is atlas progression gonna be piss easy when u can choose the exact layout u run with ur map drops??

[hexed mountain]

need to see in game if they preshot this

[split maple]

eh if it takes you 10h its prolly gonna take me 50h

that worries me a tad 😛

[native token]

Aslong ssf is a challenge again im happy

[split maple]

• gold purchasable maps from kirac

looks to be free out maybe of unique maps

[native token]

It got so damn easy over the years

[soft perch]

@onyx adder how would you get defences and recovery on a 2h guardian

[proud gorge]

it basically depends on if the summoned armaments reflect your weapon's damage on summon, and then persist, or if they actively reflect your weapon's damage when they attack. The easiest way to check would be to check how Animate Weapon of Self Reflection works, since that uses the exact same mechanic.

[hexed mountain]

yeah that's a completed atlas saturday angle

[hexed mountain]

i'll just check on act 1 when i start holy strike

[onyx adder]

staff guardian can get a non embarrassing amount of block

[hexed mountain]

maybe it works maybe it dont

[onyx adder]

if ur doing something else idk just die

[proud gorge]

AWoSR does snapshot melee weapons

[hybrid harness]

I know sushi was talking about how his day 1/2 strat was gonna be selling maps on async for completioners but I very much doubt u will ever have to buy non-unique for full completion now

[hard cliff]

really annoying voice but cool seeing someone plan this https://youtu.be/6vyNa69RjUs

[cobalt blade]

radiant faith divine shield+block?

[proud gorge]

as long as you swap to another valid melee weapon

[noble sleet]

I’m really hoping most of the shrines will roll on that belt. Ohh man be bummed if echoing shrine didn’t

[proud gorge]

so Holy Strike minions should snapshot, as long as you swap to another valid weapon

[ivory junco]

Holy strike minions likely have their own minion attack or it is the highest effectiveness skill in the game by far which would be dumb

[hexed mountain]

yeah so there's the possibility to run sceptre + shield for mapping and then summon an massive staff for boss

[split maple]

zore do you just ctrl-c ctrl-v the first take you see every morning

[onyx adder]

radiant faith sucks for normal builds fwiw

[thick goblet]

are you going to take the new jun fractured veiled node?

[onyx adder]

imo u almost have to be a stacker or the nubmers are too tiny

its good if ur a stacker tho because the es doubledips

[native token]

Early yes ofc

[cobalt blade]

its good for mapping if ur around the 30k armour mark and 1.5k es which just armour es chests kinda gets u there es side excluding radiant

[hexed mountain]

T1 phys is just free weapon

a little essence and we good

[cobalt blade]

armour prob flask reliant early

[soft perch]

the problem i have with staves is that staves are kinda shiiiiit

and u kinda want to be crit

[noble sleet]

What?

[onyx adder]

what are u even trying to do

[hexed mountain]

yeah but on holy strike you can swap weapon types you're not scaling weapon types but minion damage

[onyx adder]

this is raising my suspicions

my suspicions are raised

[cobalt blade]

holy strike guardian hallowing flame is my guess

[soft perch]

its still generals cry holy hammers guardian

[cobalt blade]

Ah dang hammers

Close enough

[full kraken]

this seems incredibly breakable tbh lol

[hard cliff]

why guardian

[onyx adder]

oh i saw ur link in other channel sure

whats wrong with staff

[hybrid harness]

are maps still gonna have their bonuses from sepcific ones, like lets say mesa which was a white map, do u still need to do the mesa t4 to get bonus?

[hexed mountain]

cyclone guardian with hallowed flame and relics is probably a solid starter with all that free damage

[soft perch]

the guardian nodes are actually good for it and the new one has a lot of synergy

[cobalt blade]

Idt we know

[soft perch]

also u get shrine node and shrine node is funny

[soft perch]

low base damage and kind of enforced crit no?

[hexed mountain]

i need to pob a cyclone guardian

[hybrid harness]

or are bonuses not bound to map layout anymore but rather that u have just completed the map? if so, do u have to do all rare + corrupted

[hexed mountain]

[onyx adder]

u wanna play 2h mace like thats better

maces suck

[surreal musk]

https://i.imgur.com/ATlxKil.jpeg holy ssf standard is poppin rn

[cobalt blade]

it won't be all rare corrupted

[hard cliff]

hallowed flame cyclone

[cobalt blade]

That would just be dumb lmao

[ivory junco]

In trailer showed different maps requiring the same completion conditions, like being run rare or corrupted rare

[soft perch]

why not gen cry

its basically cyclone shockwave anyway

[hexed mountain]

yeah 80% phys as extra lightning , hatred wrath anger , no way you're not doing silly damage for leaguestart and that's what matters i guess

[onyx adder]

i didnt look at gen cry in a couple leagues

[full kraken]

Ah fuck, you cant use a claw with Holy Strike

[hybrid harness]

will the ones only needing to be magic for example already be chosen or is it more ''u can do 50 of them only magic and still get bonus but it doesnt matter which ones'', and once u have done 50 kmagic u need to do atleast rare for the remaining etc

[onyx adder]

is ur clear still 2L cyclone and incompetent flailing

[hexed mountain]

idk i dont like gen cry

[onyx adder]

or is there new technology

[hard cliff]

claws aren't Holy confirmed

[ivory junco]

I'm glad I am at the point in my poe career where I don't really need to do leveling practice anymore. I'm fine with 5.5 hours league start

[soft perch]

its still shockwave and the gen cry procs off it and kinda self chains

[hexed mountain]

cyclone shockwave is always a decent clear i guess

[split maple]

If we can pick I am sure doing blue burial chambers 😄

[onyx adder]

incompetent flailing it is

[hybrid harness]

same as in current reqs rn? thats easiest if so

[cobalt blade]

we don't know afaik but theres just no chance its do every map rare corrupted since majority of the playerbase wont get points for like 8 hours with that

[blazing nymph]

But what about all these holes in the monsters

[soft perch]

yea except ur screen is full of holy hammers and that sounds funny

[hybrid harness]

lmao yea

[onyx adder]

at least if ur running a 2her it can be a 4l cyclone

[ivory junco]

Yeah seems so

[cobalt blade]

x amount magic/rare/corrupted rare would make sense tho

[full kraken]

Is there any other source anymore to get
"Increases and Reductions to Minion Damage also affect you at X"
on a staff sceptre or mace

[soft perch]

ye eventually its double 6l

[full kraken]

Not the notable, but explicitly as a modifier on the weapon itself

[hexed mountain]

also lads remember to switch to holy hammer for dominus and innocence for maximum disrespect

[full kraken]

you used to be able to get it on bow in boat league

[noble sleet]

Did slams get nerfed a while back or?

[full lava]

sanctum is hwere u get bloodline right?

[cobalt blade]

its just scourge? claw or spiritual aid rn

[livid quarry]

cyclone is a balanced skill everything else needs to be nerfed

[sage falcon]

wdym a while back

they got nerfed just now

[soft perch]

how the fuck does guardian get mana leech

[hybrid harness]

specific skills was nerfed 3.27 I believe, slams as a whole nerfed this upcioming league

[soft perch]

why is this ascendancy so ass

[surreal musk]

they got nerfed in 4 days from now

[soft perch]

to play attacks on

[hybrid harness]

like vfos got hit 3.27 I believe

[cobalt blade]

20 points path down to duelist

smile

[hexed mountain]

lifetap that shit

[noble sleet]

Ohhh ):

[ivory junco]

Clusters exist?

[noble sleet]

Ohh yeah that one I used a lot

[hexed mountain]

or just reduced mana cost and mana regen

[cobalt blade]

yo pog you get mana leech in act 9 or something

[sage falcon]

why are you reacting like that as if the patch notes havent been out for days

[noble sleet]

What will be the new meta build /: or is too early to tell lol

[hexed mountain]

holy strike SURELY

[surreal musk]

flamedash totems

[noble sleet]

.

[hexed mountain]

KF looks like the meta build so far

cba playing a 5th one

[ivory junco]

I'm competing on the rings too it's annoying

[full kraken]

if we get any unique staff/sceptre/mace that has "Increases and Reductions to Minion Damage also affect you at X" then Im gonna go ahead and call Holy Strike as meta build

[ivory junco]

Max reduced time clasp gonna be divs

[hybrid harness]

t2 alleyways only needing magic, but rn its a yellow t8 map

[ivory junco]

Was like 1d or more in phrecia

[hexed mountain]

just click spiritual aid

unique attack weapons are flops 90% of time

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/6vyNa69RjUs

this is bait but it's very cool

[surreal musk]

probably maps further from the middle require rare / corrupted rare for completion

[hexed mountain]

new shock nova looks mid ngl

[ivory junco]

Yeah seems like same rules

[hexed mountain]

looks cool on screen but eh

[ivory junco]

I guess each map has a starting tier

[hexed mountain]

doesnt matter much tho he's archmage can slot any spell if its shit

[cobalt blade]

i think its got potential if the quality is more cast speed which it looks like it is

[lilac fern]

why it is bait? the skill overlaps 6x he said

[cobalt blade]

dmg effectiveness

[hard cliff]

nobody has used it before so it's a gamble

[hexed mountain]

need to see how often it double hits , without double hits it has less DE than arc

[hard cliff]

we don't know the fine mechanics

[hybrid harness]

same rules as in white tier being magic only yea, but alleyways is a yellow map so it would need rare to get bonus, seems possible that u can do any map now with any bonus?

[cobalt blade]

Ye id assume 4 maybe 5

but with more cast speed qual maybe has potential so eh

[surreal musk]

it has a 0.25 cast time

arc has 0.7

[cobalt blade]

with 2 repeats

[hexed mountain]

i'm counting 3 casts

[ivory junco]

Every single skill in the game is balanced by 550 added damage doubling a skills damage with minimal outliers

[hexed mountain]

to mathc the cast speed to 0.75

[cobalt blade]

You have to sit thru repeats

[cobalt blade]

yeah

[shy furnace]

we wont know what wii be best in life, till we see gem dmg and what mods we can add to the gems

[cobalt blade]

.25 cast speed is still rly good if the quality is more cast speed tho as a potential scaling vector

[hexed mountain]

all i see is that the 0.25 cast speed and repeat makes it piss bad for mines

[ivory junco]

Location and tier probably just changed

[hexed mountain]

so you have to self cast = ew

[full kraken]

I will say the addition of a potential 7th link to many skills does set back any equipment based skill builds, cuz you effectively are losing -1 gem slot

[hybrid harness]

goratha is predicting 4 reliable with up to 6 on big bosses, unless u mean without support skills/aoe?

[cobalt blade]

They said it apparently supports those

or atleast it should

[hexed mountain]

i mean for spells you get level 21 gem its not that bad

[full kraken]

how O_o

[cobalt blade]

the gem on skill supports everything in links

[shy furnace]

prob alot of nerfs to skills , are due to the gem mod making them super powerful

[hexed mountain]

it does but then you need an active skill in links

[cobalt blade]

Ye theres a good few that do this tho no?

[hexed mountain]

some do

[ivory junco]

Buffs equipment based pauedolink bonus items like crest or replica stampede

[onyx adder]

It might not be the worst totem skill

[full kraken]

thats my point those builds are taking a -1 gem socket debuff this league

[onyx adder]

Since its not very fast

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[onyx adder]

At least for these purposes

[full kraken]

IE Twisters cant get a +support gem added to it

[cobalt blade]

Ye ill prob pob a crest build later in the league

[hexed mountain]

might be a good chest opener skill too

[cobalt blade]

once we see the other powercreep

[lilac fern]

last league on HC Ruthless SSF I got to act 8 with no asc, no potions, no yellow/unique gear. yea no potions means i never used 1 healing or mana potion the entire run.

[shy furnace]

maybe penis brand will get cast speed built in etc

[hybrid harness]

does anyone have ss of new keystone allowing same map running

if they showed it that is?

[shy furnace]

change and mystery is good, adds newness

[cobalt blade]

Added a new Atlas Keystone Synthesised Stability, which grants Completing a Map Objective within a Shaped Region instead collapses a different Map within the Shaped Region.

in the patch notes basically identical to a screenshot

[full kraken]

divine blast looks fun but that is 100% not a league start skill cuz you really want a juicy ass crafted shield

[reef walrus]

Hello! I posted items in merchants tabs on standard 8 hours ago but they still don't show up on the trade website, is the website down?

[opal ingot]

Here's a screenshot

[hybrid harness]

wow thanks

[cobalt blade]

[hybrid harness]

shaped region = the neon moving blob things?

[hexed mountain]

i could see people run divine blast with an explodey chest and the new retal skill on a secondary link for added burst

[hybrid harness]

or is haped region the corners

[cobalt blade]

Astrolabes

[hexed mountain]

me using that keystone : splits the region and loses half the juice after first map

i guess its the price of playing good layouts

[tight plinth]

id rather lose some juice than run a dungeon map

[sleek ocean]

Holy strike minions are still unknown. How strong % is The minions attacks

[tight plinth]

id take that trade any day

[finite quail]

yes

[full kraken]

more importantly how good/bad do they scale with gem level

[finite quail]

you apply an astrolabe to a map within the quadrants of the atlas

that astrolabe applies its effect to a group of maps near the map you chose

[sleek ocean]

They use your weapon so probly not well

[split maple]

Surely there is some cluster of maps with no Maze, dungeon, waterways etc etc together

[finite quail]

as you complete those maps, they are removed from the group, and additional mods are added to the other maps

[full kraken]

yeh prolly similiar to BAMA which scales very poorly with level

[hybrid harness]

oooh this part I didnt know

[finite quail]

The keystone makes it so running the same map removes the otther maps from the group and adds the additional mods to the map you just ran

So you can run the same map over and over and it gets juicier and juicier

[hybrid harness]

but what if u run out of ''other'' maps

is that possible

[finite quail]

You put a new astrolabe

And then do it again

[sleek ocean]

Holy strike weapons are unlikely gonna exist on markets

[hybrid harness]

ok makes sense, question about astrolobe, they have modifiers from the get-go u can choose right, are the ones u get extra after completion random?

[finite quail]

Yes

It doesnt look like you can influence what kind of mods will show up on the next maps

But its either a general mod, aka more currency, scarabs, more pack size etc

[hybrid harness]

do they start with 1 modifier?

[finite quail]

or mods from the specific mechanic on the astrolabe

[cobalt blade]

Ye

[finite quail]

Seems like its one to two

a common mod, a league mechanic mod, or both

I think...

[tight plinth]

wdym?

[hybrid harness]

okok, so get the 1 u care most about and hope for good further ones to be added

seems more rng than current juicing it better be some high values

[finite quail]

Well yes but no

I don't think you can remove astrolabes from the atlas

Without running said maps

[cobalt blade]

each map also rolls a different modifier so im personally worried youll have to mouse over 5 different maps then pick the optimal one (prob a shit map) to run (unallocate keystone so you dont lose good map) and then repeat for each one

[full kraken]

Chains of Command Holy Strike build could be fun

[finite quail]

So you cant really "get the one you care the most about"

without having to run the entire map chain

if by that you mean a specific astrolabe mod

[hybrid harness]

but they said it wont add completely unrelated modifiers to what ur running right? like if I put a harvest astrolobe assuming thats a thing it wont add some ritual bs

[livid quarry]

mapping sounds complicated

[finite quail]

Yeah

Ritual astrolabes add ritual mods and generic mods

[cobalt blade]

(like take harvest quantity of items found vs no wilt youll need to run a cells map to get no wilt or whatever)

[finite quail]

Blight astrolabes add blight mods and generic mods

[hybrid harness]

I like that, so blight stuff and generic quant, rarity packsize whatever

[shy furnace]

nah, you basicaly get a map with a level, then u just put that in the map slot you want to run

[finite quail]

Yeah pretty much

[hybrid harness]

ngl if its only 1 modifier from the start then Im taking a good layout over a better mod on diff map

[tight plinth]

i like that they gave the option to run a specific map for your convenience and people are like yeah it just isnt enough is it?

[cobalt blade]

it keeps the mod you run on every other map afaik

[finite quail]

Though I don't think the other maps will have different mods on them?

[cobalt blade]

it did in the reveal

[finite quail]

All of the maps in the group will have the same mods

[cobalt blade]

And it was brought up to andrew and he said he:d check how that feels

[hexed mountain]

looked like each had a mod

[finite quail]

they had different mods in the group?

[cobalt blade]

Yep

[finite quail]

oh

Interesting

[shy furnace]

the mods get added to, every time u clear one map

[hybrid harness]

so maybe u put it in area where u have multiple layouts u could consider

thoughg rhats rare kek

[full kraken]

Something to consider: Holy Strike may not be balanced much around if you can get a The Dark Monarch that doubles your count of Holy Armaments

[finite quail]

Yeah and then you browse through the maps

[cobalt blade]

i mean if you lose half your juice its going to be priced around people running the good juice so yes

This is just how trade works

[tight plinth]

if the keystone didnt exist, nobody would have had a problem, keystone exists, theres a problem

[hexed mountain]

the added advantage of rotating map layout is you can run DP to farm astrolabes

[full kraken]

consider the following: The Dark Monarch effectively being about a 100% more dps modifier on Holy Strike, if the minions are the majority of your dps

[hybrid harness]

without keystone u would run ur fav map and after it would lose all the mods, ppl would 100% be mad at that wat?

[hexed mountain]

its not a 100% more

you lose all the buffing minions

[hybrid harness]

u want all the juice on ur fav layout

[hexed mountain]

no spectres no AG

[cobalt blade]

u also lose hat slot

[full kraken]

A lot of buffing minions wont impact the damage of the weapons if their attack speed is limited to yours

[hexed mountain]

get ones that do

[full kraken]

You also dont need to scale life because they are unkillable minions

[cobalt blade]

frenzy charges are 4% more per charge or other support spectres

[hexed mountain]

that being said doryani might just give you the scaling later

[full kraken]

they can just get frenzy charge on hit possibly

[soft perch]

@onyx adder tbh now that i think about it

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/DSciXUY2w_c

[sleek ocean]

Yep

[soft perch]

getting accuracy clusters around templar will make staves SIGNIFICANTLY better

[onyx adder]

Yes

[hexed mountain]

necro probably outscales guardian though

[cobalt blade]

where tf are you giving minions frenzy on hit without making your own weapon worse

[onyx adder]

I mentioned this before

[soft perch]

ye

[livid quarry]

winds of fate build?

[soft perch]

and consecrated ground/aoe both sound like useful things

[hybrid harness]

what I wanna know is why that keystone isnt the base function of atlas, why would u ever choose the option where the map u last ran gets removed from being juiced?

[soft perch]

not winds of fate

[hexed mountain]

because you can setup necro for 200% attack speed and monarch doesnt lose you the ascendancy nodes

[onyx adder]

Just one good accuracy cluster and staves go from painchamp to playable

[cobalt blade]

Ya i realized this pobbing static strike inquis lol

[full kraken]

Mark is one option, though you prolly will go ass mark and scale crit

[cobalt blade]

Hoping they have good values

[sleek ocean]

Weapon is likely lightning flat, minions damage, elepen, local attack speed and minions attackspeed

[soft perch]

they dont even need good values

the accuracy masteries are crazy good

[onyx adder]

Yer this has been the staff problem for the past like 10 years

U start pobbing and ur like man

[hexed mountain]

which is a bit annoying , because i'm sure as hell not starting holy strike on a necromancer for leaguestart but endgame looks better

[onyx adder]

This stupid templar has no dex

[soft perch]

fuck

[cobalt blade]

Marks dont give u frenzy on hit without mastery

[soft perch]

am i baiting myself into holy hammers gen cry

[onyx adder]

And no accuracy

[cobalt blade]

mastery only affects you

[soft perch]

like actually

[onyx adder]

And u cant click RT

[cobalt blade]

Ye tru

[onyx adder]

So its aids

[soft perch]

shrine + relics + hallowing flame node does seem like a lot of free damage and speed and fun

genuinely

[proud gorge]

because it's fun

[hexed mountain]

fractured prefix phys staff from betrayal + flat phys essence + hits cant be evaded craft

[onyx adder]

Could be playable

[soft perch]

also if im crit

[onyx adder]

I hate gencry

[soft perch]

i can put pcoc in cyclone

[hexed mountain]

still want to go accuracy later tho

[soft perch]

which is peak

[onyx adder]

Cant deny the dps tho

[full kraken]

Though Im pretty sure ass mark will come out ahead on those, assuming once you max out the minion count you'll resummon new ones, in which case you definitely go crit

[proud gorge]

also technically it's suboptimal to take that node in terms of maximizing astrolabe longetivity, due to the mechanic where if completing a map splits the astrolabe zone into two segments, only the largest segment is kept

[cobalt blade]

your using poachers mark? now your just losing dmg from assassins lol

I did forget poachers existed admittedly

[full kraken]

its basically GGG repeating the same issue they had with BAMA, scaling "summoned recently" stuff

[proud gorge]

which means if you use that keystone to run astrolabe zones, there's a chance you'll accidentally cut your astrolabe zone in half

[hexed mountain]

yeah the coinflip is the price of running your best layout

[soft perch]

thats fair but holy hammers gen cry does sound like incredibly accessible screencancer for a leaguestart

which makes me happy

[proud gorge]

and lose several maps worth of astrolabe zone

[hexed mountain]

although in SSF the map choice might be "locked" by which quarter of the atlas gives the good vault

[proud gorge]

or, uh, a couple anyways

[full kraken]

it can depend, sometimes poachers comes out ahead, but its likely we want ass mark yeah

[hybrid harness]

just to make sure, these are ontop of atlas tree, ontop of ur scarabs and ontop of map modifiers? what are they making up for other than kirac mods? cuz it seems better than what he gave

[hexed mountain]

yes

like memories

[proud gorge]

yes they're very good

[cobalt blade]

You would have to have like no flat for this

[hexed mountain]

idk if it scales with map effect , it should

[onyx adder]

At least its got coverage

[hard cliff]

ASS MARK

[onyx adder]

Remind me again how charge consumption works

[soft perch]

the damage is like the same as sunder without overlaps

[onyx adder]

With gencry

[proud gorge]

GGG is trying to push these multi-map "chain" mechanics to try to convince less advanced players to run sequences of maps instead of like one map at a time slowly

[soft perch]

your mirages spawn with your charges

and can happily spend them

[onyx adder]

Oh

[hard cliff]

I'm trying

[onyx adder]

So its like an 850 skill

[hexed mountain]

the good part of sweep and holy hammer is that it looks like you automatically have giga clear

[onyx adder]

Or some shit

Thats good

[soft perch]

i think its 540 no

without overlaps

[full kraken]

I think we go guardian tbh because the insane flat dmg from triple aura is huge, and then we just focus on scaling minion crit

[soft perch]

sunder is 629

[hexed mountain]

like they displayed holy hammer on a templar so we can expect pretty low inc aoe

[onyx adder]

Oh yea ur gencry

They will be dumb ass fuckers

[soft perch]

i think holy hammers likely gets overlaps pretty often but not the side ones

[hexed mountain]

on leaguestart its not even a question yeah

guardian's sentinel will eloboost you throught he campain too

[soft perch]

the one behind the main one probs hits bosses reasonably often

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Astrolabes are simultaneously replacing kirac map device crafts, but also are sort of sextants, and sort of just a new powerful juicing mechanic

[hexed mountain]

can always run a necro 2nd char if you really like holy strike

[proud gorge]

the real question is how rare they'll be

and how expensive they'll be as a result

[hard cliff]

and you have to Scarab on top of that?

that's a lot of busy work

[proud gorge]

we thus far have no real idea how rare Astrolabes are, just that they don't start dropping until you socket the Eagon voidstone

and drop from bosses sometimes

with the voidstone socketed

[soft perch]

we know they drop 100% chance from invitations and shit

no?

[onyx adder]

Why is ggg pushing consecrated ground so hard this league btw

What am i missing

[tight plinth]

its holy league

[soft perch]

do u hate that

[hard cliff]

Templar theme league

[proud gorge]

do we? I haven't seen anything to that effect, but then I haven't been keeping up with, like, twitter reveals and such

[onyx adder]

U can use shitty unique ring to make shitty ground effect give shitty buff

[proud gorge]

or most of the ziz interview

[soft perch]

lol gifts from above

[proud gorge]

I mean, it's one astrolabe every several maps, it should be fine

[soft perch]

it was ziz interview i think

[proud gorge]

much better than having to chisel every map

[hexed mountain]

yeah chisels were boring

[lime tartan]

would the final update be released a few hours before league starts?

[tight plinth]

how do yall feel about nutella?

[onyx adder]

Its okay

Too sweet for me

[cobalt blade]

Tbf its good effect just very few good sources of it

half curse* reduction 5% regen

[tight plinth]

its great with anything 😋

[proud gorge]

the data download is generally released twice, first as an independent data download patch so that players who have poor internet can download the patch early and then patch their own game, then second via the client very shortly before leaguestart

[lime tartan]

cool, thanks

[proud gorge]

I think they still do that anyways

I could be wrong

I usually just wait for the client patch

[onyx adder]

Dont worry imma be getting this effect from purifying flame of REVELATIONS without any shitty support gems its gonna be gas

Gonna be some poison purifying flame

With three heralds

[tight plinth]

revelations is hand cast only to get double hits right?

[onyx adder]

U could totem it i guess

But yea usually u have to aim to nowhere

[tight plinth]

does it double hit with totem? i think itll target directly

[hard cliff]

@soft perch
what do you want on Holy strike imbue?

[delicate otter]

I kinda really wanna try this reworked sweep but I'm not sure how to mess with this old build I had

[onyx adder]

Yea probably sucks

Just self cast

[tight plinth]

reworked sweep is 5200% DE

[soft perch]

idk whatever pob says is the best 7l probs

[hexed mountain]

fortify

[onyx adder]

Dont u fucking start with the 5200 DE shit

[soft perch]

wheres jungroan tweet

about being best skill ever

[onyx adder]

Imma put u in the naughty corner with kharjou

[soft perch]

holy

[tight plinth]

[soft perch]

im not in the naughty corner with holy hammer gen cry

peak?

[hexed mountain]

5456 actually

OP

[delicate otter]

Hey it's damage was generally fine before.

[onyx adder]

Did u claim ur skill was gonna do 5200 DE

[soft perch]

no

[onyx adder]

Ok ur fine

[cobalt blade]

hes hiding it behind static strike so it gets nerfed over sweep

[delicate otter]

Whatever it is now is just gonna be better than it was

[soft perch]

i claimed my skill has a bit less damage than sunder without overlaps and has great scaling from its ascendancy?

is that better

[proud gorge]

I'll give you a 5200 DE skill

[hexed mountain]

people coping that sweep isnt going to be great

[onyx adder]

Thats just normie claims

U need to go full jung

[soft perch]

gen cry is already full jung

[hexed mountain]

nah jung does mosquito builds

[onyx adder]

Its not full jung until u put nimis on it

[hexed mountain]

3580358205 hits per second : 5M dps

[proud gorge]

have you considered, if you have 10 skeletons and they attack 5 times a second, that's 5200 DE

[tight plinth]

gen cry static strike

[proud gorge]

per second

[delicate otter]

I'm inspired because of an old mathil build I played back in Legion where he did a ruthless support crit staff slayer

[soft perch]

idk if u remember much of the ggg reveal

[delicate otter]

That shit ripped

[soft perch]

but holy hammers is probably the most impressive clear skill ive ever seen on a ggg reveal lmao

holy fucking shit the aoe was big

[proud gorge]

and if you also have 10 zombies

[hexed mountain]

AKCHUALLY with iron mass its 15600

[tight plinth]

[proud gorge]

and they attack 4 times a second

[soft perch]

and most ggg reveal skills look garbage

[onyx adder]

U know what the most impressive clear skill ive ever seen on a ggg reveal is

[soft perch]

maybe they got better at it

[onyx adder]

Crackling lance

[soft perch]

holy

[onyx adder]

U get the point yea

[hexed mountain]

i think divine blast is the biggest struggle build i've seen in their reeval

reveal*

poor guy casting a delayed melee splash

[proud gorge]

10 skeletons attack 5 times a second, plus 10 zombies attacking 4 times a second, that means 9000 DE per second

[onyx adder]

Didnt they reveal conflagrate last league

[tight plinth]

which one is divine blast? the delayed explosion one?

[proud gorge]

best build in the game SMH

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[noble sleet]

So what’s the thing about double currency drops? This apply to whole game or? I just remmenr them saying mirrors obviously won’t get affected

[tight plinth]

that shits so ass

[onyx adder]

And that voidwhatever support this league

[soft perch]

https://youtu.be/zFzHf3etCTA?t=739 like for a ggg reveal this looks sick

[hexed mountain]

applies to ground loot only

[hard cliff]

the numbers are good