1┃general

[proud gorge]

interesting, but at the same time it does seem to still just be something that could be pre-generated on map entry, since it's just the map layout but again

[soft perch]

it does

but it has 4 second buff duration

and probably doesnt get extra stacks from extra strikes and only one stack per multistrike

[proud gorge]

my point was mainly just that the PoE engine doesn't allow for the actual map and terrain to be modified mid-map, so you can't get, like, an interactable that causes an extra section of map to be spawned in, unless it was always already there on map generation.

[faint locust]

too many maybes to ever start the skill

[soft perch]

u are guessing, you dont know if the engine doesnt allow for that

[proud gorge]

And you especially can't make something that, for example, puts you into a sub-zone like Alva temple but changes its layout depending on what choice you make going in

[rancid sluice]

@dense sleet part of the abyss farming is probably for the gaze jewel that buffs minion dot, it can go for like 5 div+

[soft perch]

there might be other reasons why mirage is a new instance

[rancid sluice]

It's worth money and you run it so

[dense sleet]

So your hypothesis is more like they are doing because they can farm their own stuff, rather than being the fact of the build is more optimal for that kind of content

[proud gorge]

are you actually debating this point or are you just arguing because I said something, Splaff?

[rancid sluice]

I'd say so yes

[true falcon]

Idk why but this reminds me of exiting maps because the load was too short for Affliction to have been created

[proud gorge]

Because feel free to present actual arguments

I'll hear them

[gritty epoch]

The only difference between scourge and mirage is that league mechanics don't spawn in scourge

[proud gorge]

but thus far your "argument" seems to be "Yewchung said something and I feel a pathological desire to argue against it for no reason"

[dense sleet]

Numbers I've found are

Blight    +80%
Grove     +35%
Legion    −78%
Ritual    +24%
Delirium  −17%
Strongbox −14%
Abyss    +288%

(Numbers above are relative popularity of league mechanics for pSRS)
I can see legion being fucked up. And blight being good for summoners overall. But abyss number was definetly not expected

[soft perch]

no my argument is you dont know how the engine works and are guessing how it works

which is true

im not trying to argue

i am just pointing that part out

[gritty epoch]

To add, the reason scourge didn't go core is that "there is too much work to make scourge for every new maps" etc.. paraphrasing of course

[rancid sluice]

I play srs a lot and from my point of view I'm building it not buying it and it'll down Ubers so yeah I'm farming content to keep my cost down

[proud gorge]

sure, I'm making a highly educated guess, based on PoE's very very long history of league mechanics not doing that, and using tricks to hide that it's not doing that, and making every effort to do everything short of that

[gritty epoch]

How did u get the data?

[dense sleet]

poe ninja

[granite nexus]

you can see atlas trees on poe ninja now

[gritty epoch]

Poe ninja shows what content u ran?

[dense sleet]

Looking through time-machine snapshots, filtering people by their gear/spells and their atlas tree

So I can understand affinity between builds across different budgets

[proud gorge]

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, and has demonstrated duck-like behavior for like a decade, across an extremely wide variety of scenarios and experiences, then it's probably fair to say that it's a duck, and not have someone go "oh but you're only guessing that its a duck"

[remote sparrow]

Idk man WKZ everytime you contribute it seems you are being aggressive against others

[dense sleet]

For example, ~18% of CWS people have ultimatum tree. Which is kinda popular.
Ultimatum tho is not popular among non-CWS builds. Being allocated only by 2.7% of them

It doesn't mean that it is good.
But is a green flag

[livid quarry]

is awakened multistrike easier to get new leag

or the equivalent of it

[granite nexus]

impossible to say

[lean urchin]

no idea havent played mirage league

[livid quarry]

[modern zinc]

le toucan

[proud gorge]

point being, generating sub-instances on map load: Easy, done plenty, it was even exploited to watch load times to see if a particular mechanic had been spawned. Generating sub-instances without loading mid-map: Extremely difficult or impossible, if they have done it its using new tech.

pretty much every sub-instance that's generated mid-map does so via a loading screen

for that exact reason

[haughty bloom]

Believe in Johnathan, he wouldnt give us a mechanic with loading screen mid map

[proud gorge]

maybe its a hidden load, if the map generation is small enough

[hard cliff]

Hello Chat

@. Everyone

[gritty epoch]

As I mentioned earlier, the only difference between mirage and scourge is that league mechanics doesn't spawn in scourge, also no wishes

[raw cove]

👁️

[proud gorge]

well yeah, the wishes are the issue

[gritty epoch]

Remove the dot 🍿

[proud gorge]

they change the mirage generation

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/LikeeUS-funny-pets-hilarious-qBnxfH7fqakzieO3mI

[proud gorge]

if there weren't wishes it could probably function as is, though some league mechanics that generated their own sub-zones (like Harvest) might not work and would have to be excluded

[gritty epoch]

I don't necessarily agree completely but I don't care about the subject so I digress

[proud gorge]

though it might be possible to force Harvest to work by generating two seperate Harvest zones on map load

but that would be weird, and potentially problematic

[cobalt blade]

theres also stuff like blight that can't generate more than once in a map and the last time they tried to let us do that half the maps got plagued with "map could not be generated"

[livid quarry]

heard if u enter mirage u will need to spawn minions again

[cobalt blade]

child instances makes this alot easier

[proud gorge]

yeah apparently its a sub-instance rather than sharing an instance with the map

so temporary minions don't persist

[gritty epoch]

Good thing is if your AG died u get a new AG in Mirage

[proud gorge]

but permanent minions do

[cobalt blade]

not all permanents :p

guardian dude will have to be resummoned

[sacred juniper]

how to get exceptional support gems?

[potent bramble]

I think I missed something... WKZ, are you saying Harvest doesn't work in Mirages? B/c they explicitly confirmed they do

[modern zinc]

I don't think temporary minionsh aving to be removed will be a huge problem

just spawn them again lmao

[cobalt blade]

ye it works and it probably only works because theres a load screen

[proud gorge]

no I'm saying if they generated Mirages without a sub-instance, Harvests probably wouldn't work

[cobalt blade]

to a separate instance

[proud gorge]

but they have, so it does

[gritty epoch]

Animate weapon

[blazing nymph]

Get the voidstone that enables them, then kill the boss that drops the one you want

[dense sleet]

Woah I got banned

[potent bramble]

Ah. That gets outside of my knowledge then lol

[cobalt blade]

toucanless 🥀

[granite nexus]

which leage mechanics will mirage have the greatest impact on do you think?

[potent bramble]

Toucan't

[modern zinc]

LMAO

I used to post that in poe global chat

[cobalt blade]

Blight cord belt op

[modern zinc]

I think I got muted for like 2 weeks last time I did it

[dense sleet]

Praise

[haughty bloom]

blight

[dense sleet]

Now it is insta ban. People don't even need to report your toucan anymore

[modern zinc]

it started as being muted for 1h and they kept doubling it every time I did it

[cobalt blade]

otherwise i dont rly think we can say since it is just more of your mechanic for free

[proud gorge]

outside of the empowered-specific drops, probably any league mechanic that generates as a single instance in the map (like Harvest or Blight) that can be omega-juiced through scarabs and such

[cobalt blade]

Kinda just depends on the power creep

[proud gorge]

stuff like Strongboxes and Essence are reflected, but only one or two, rather than all of them

[potent bramble]

Honestly, impossible to say. They already said that Harvests in Mirages can have a new type of seed/crop, which could be bonkers

[proud gorge]

but when you reflect something like Blight or Harvest, you get the full benefit

[haughty bloom]

mirage blight exclusive drops

[gritty epoch]

2 x Harvest yay I can get 2 X juice
Juice price halves
Profit stays the same

[cobalt blade]

the seeds on the mirage page but we dont actually know what it does

[proud gorge]

but yeah, that's just for the base "mechanic reflection" aspect. When it comes to the Empowered Mechanics, no idea

[dense sleet]

If I recall, in the Ziz interview they mentioned that, even if rituals for example don't get mirrored exactly the same number, the rituals would compensate with the same'ish amount of resources

[proud gorge]

since they mostly generate new things

[cobalt blade]

Ye this is why i think stuff that drops raw currency will be better

but it rly depends on the powercreep in x league miraged

Oh also harvest losing woke scarab means its kinda mid now for trade standards

[potent bramble]

I interpreted it to be that there'd most likely be 1 Ritual in the mirage (if any), but that it'd give a roughly equal amount of Ritual Juice as the main map did. So really just that it would not have all Ritual encounters mirrored

[proud gorge]

That particular part is just about mechanics like Ritual being designed around having multiple rituals to complete, but it being a sub-instance means that it can't share ritual points between the reflected and the "real" rituals.

[wide steppe]

Can someone put the grey wind axe on trade please? 😅

[proud gorge]

But Strongboxes and Essence are standalone mechanics

so they'll just reflect as a single instance

[dense sleet]

Yes, same juice

[proud gorge]

the whole "imperfect copy" thing is just to cover for the fact that, since it's a newly generated sub-instance, it's just generating a new strongbox in the location of the strongbox in the overworld

with basically nothing to do with the real world strongbox other than location

same with Essences, or Shrines if those get reflected

[potent bramble]

It does make me a little sad that the Masters won't mirror over.... no ultra-Delve resource grind 🙁

[dense sleet]

At first when they said "imperfect copy" it felt like an excuse for "it is not a bug, it is a feature" for anything that could happen

[proud gorge]

basically any of the standalone mechanics

[potent bramble]

No Jun/Alva makes sense though, with the limitations of how the meta progress is tracked

[proud gorge]

nah its mostly just the thing where the mechanics are re-generated fresh

so it'll be a new and unrelated instance of the mechanic, instead of literally being an exact "reflection" of the original

[potent bramble]

I'm curious if there's any shot we get a new Legion faction via the Mirage. Like could there be some sort of Mirage-centered faction that spawns in to fight one of the normal ones??

[dense sleet]

IIRC there was some parts of map missing and some other anomalies

[proud gorge]

so if you get a Diviner's Strongbox in Mirage range, it might generate as a Armourer's Strongbox in the mirage instead, with its own completely unrelated mods

[dense sleet]

So not exactly an "exact reflection"

[marsh summit]

is necro kboc still a thing this league?

[proud gorge]

also why Legions generate with different factions

why Blights spawn with different lanes and rewards

[granite nexus]

do we know if there are mechanic specific wishes?

[proud gorge]

Essence monsters with different essences

etc

[proud gorge]

we don't yet, just the ones we've seen in the content reveal stream

as in, the wishes we've seen

while they did say that mechanics are only sometimes empowered, I hope the odds are pretty high

it'll be disappointing if the odds of an "empowered" mechanic are super low

and its just extremely rare to actually see the new mechanics

[surreal musk]

https://i.imgur.com/GHvD2Y1.jpeg sub 6 in sight

[warm musk]

pobb says I should have 200k es

but in game its just 100k rip

[proud gorge]

post PoB

also those are some silly ES numbers

[molten hazel]

is using this new skill on a mana stacker a totally crazy idea ?

[drowsy eagle]

huh where is your brand hotkey?

[proud gorge]

the highest ES in all of Keepers was 113.5k, and that was using a full PoB-warrior build

though I guess in Standard you can probably hit some much larger numbers using legacy gear

[surreal musk]

im holding cntrl to take the screenshot so its showing my cntrl skillbar

[granite nexus]

this looks like a very fun skill

[soft perch]

what about the 4 second duration of buff

[potent bramble]

Presumably we'll be able to get bigger ES numbers b/c new belt with the shrine that does 100% Armor/Evasion/ES though

[molten hazel]

its only base it can be scaled

[soft perch]

still costs to scale it

[drowsy eagle]

was hoping you had a tech to cast brands with shield charge

[soft perch]

idk how fun this skill will be i have strong doubts about clearing maps with it

[proud gorge]

possibly, but also that's only 100% Increased. It's still a lot, but for full PoB-warrioring previously, you probably wanted the percent attribute belt

though with int-stack being nerfed heavily it'll be a lot less ridiculous

[granite nexus]

just attack real fast 🙃

[karmic gust]

people lost up to 300% inc es from the int nerf alone, that shrine is not making up for that

[soft perch]

without multistrike pog

[potent bramble]

Yeah, that's a fair point

[proud gorge]

also, that PoB-warrior 100k+ ES build on Keepers was actually Strength Stack

[fickle glen]

good

[proud gorge]

some ES, but mostly Strength

[molten hazel]

how long do you think the duration needs to be to feel comfortable

[soft perch]

double

maybe more

[proud gorge]

actually here's the whole thing

[soft perch]

or just ignore the chains entirely outside of single target

[fickle glen]

you guys are too comfortable with op builds, GGG wants you to struggle a bit

[tight plinth]

i has an idea

[proud gorge]

but yeah, with Int Stack nerfed, the endgame builders will just go to Strength Stack instead

[tight plinth]

its the bestest of ideas

[proud gorge]

which is still extremely good

[soft perch]

as soon as u have to click loot of any capacity u lose all your stacks at 4 seconds very easily

[proud gorge]

Strength Stack could already hit higher ES numbers than Int Stack on an optimized build

[karmic gust]

sounds like you should play poison static strke

[proud gorge]

though they did nerf Foulborn Doon

[karmic gust]

well this still lost 150% inc es

[wintry lily]

just take your poison mamba build and plug the skill in

[karmic gust]

from the int alone

[karmic gust]

true

[soft perch]

if youve ever played reave

[karmic gust]

i will just put it to thunderfist

[soft perch]

you lose your vaal reave stacks very often at 3 seconds

[karmic gust]

[proud gorge]

yeah, it's definitely still a hefty nerf

point being Strength Stack will just become the new Int Stack

[karmic gust]

dont think ppl will actually go for es on str stack tho

[proud gorge]

slightly different inputs, but very similar outputs

[karmic gust]

or at least not full es hybrid is ok sometimes

bu also i think that they should've nerfed heist jewellery a while ago would solve all these issues at once

as that is when they made stat stacking like way too broken

compared to what it was before

[proud gorge]

why not? The reason why ES is good is because it scales as a Defense, rather than as a Base Stat, but that means Life can be converted into ES, so stacking Life just lets you add as extra a shit ton of ES

Strength Stack builds a ton of life, then converts that life into way more ES

[karmic gust]

because the slots that would give you that es are also sourrce of half of your damage or more

[proud gorge]

if you're doing anything stack, you benefit from going ES

[karmic gust]

you cant just translate the gear on build that just wants to stack as much es as possible to real build

[proud gorge]

other than maybe lifestack

though even that's debatable

I'm not saying stack as much ES as possible, but Strength Stack builds are generally going to be ES-based

[karmic gust]

i mean all str stackers since the initial geofris/shapersr touch nerf were pure life for a reason

[proud gorge]

are they? I've mostly seen ES-based ones

at the high end

[karmic gust]

yea

even the high end ones

[proud gorge]

alright, on the "silly amounts of strength" list, looks like a mix bewteen life and ES based

other than that one Scion at the top, the Scions are all ES

while the Juggs are Life

[soft perch]

theyre also rf builds that gain damage from es

[karmic gust]

the scions areall rf builds

[soft perch]

a lot of str stackers are attack based builds that use iron fortress

[proud gorge]

though this is also a bit of a silly comparison since the absolute top of the list also isn't really real builds yeah

[karmic gust]

those are not str stackers they just need es

filter by replica alberons

[soft perch]

those str stackers use the foulborn weapon i think

whats it called

doon?

[proud gorge]

Replica Alberon's is just one way to stack strength

it's not the only way

[proud gorge]

yeah, Foulborn Doon

[empty bronze]

doon cuebiyari

[proud gorge]

it got nerfed in the patch

a bit

[soft perch]

right but foulborn doon str stacking only makes sense on rf

[wintry lily]

@karmic gust

working ahead of time huh

[karmic gust]

its the most popular way, rf is single build

[granite nexus]

it says gain on melee hit, wouldnt htat work with multistrike?

[karmic gust]

and its not even good one

[soft perch]

dont think so no

its not per enemy

the condition is fulfilled when it hits an enemy

[proud gorge]

I'm just looking through the builds. Once you filter out the ES-stacking RF Scions, then yeah, the next most common build is Replica Alberon's, with various outputs

[granite nexus]

oh yeah thats not very good

[proud gorge]

mostly MSoZ or KB

those guys are mostly life-based, but not exclusively

[soft perch]

its weird though, because stuff like poison on hit and impale on hit does work, but charge gain on hit and some other shit doesnt

[proud gorge]

but yeah, ES-based Strength Stack exists, it's just that previously if you wanted to stack ES you'd go Int because it's better

[soft perch]

i would imagine because its a buff it aligns more with charges

[karmic gust]

yea because unlike int stacker there is huge opportunity cost to going es on str stacker

[soft perch]

but also boneshatter specifies the first time

[proud gorge]

but with Int nerfed we'll probably see a rise in Strength Stack ES builds

[soft perch]

we will see tbh

[proud gorge]

since they're not all going Int instead

as well as, yeah, good old Strength Stack life as well

[soft perch]

i highly doubt it

[karmic gust]

str stackers were already more popular than int stackers multiple times before

like this is not rly new thing

[soft perch]

strength stack es exists solely with foulborn doon

[karmic gust]

and they just went life

[soft perch]

some people get a decent amount of str on intstackers cuz theyre inquisitor

[proud gorge]

yes, and my point is that Strength Stack as it is will persist

[soft perch]

right but theyre just rf builds that get damage from the es

[proud gorge]

but with Int nerfed for ES, we might see some builds going Strength Stack ES for the ES payoff skills

[soft perch]

u can maybe play fross with doon

'Foulborn Doon Cuebiyari now has 1% increased maximum Energy Shield per 25 Strength when in Off Hand (previously per 16 Strength).' it got nerfed quite hard as well tbh

[livid quarry]

everything nerfed

[proud gorge]

yeah, it's definitely a pretty sizable nerf, we'll have to see how things turn out

[livid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-2925065937955910779

[proud gorge]

plenty of stuff got buffed, they just specifically nerfed a lot of the really overperforming things, in this case particularly ES gain from Int stack (and Strength stack from foulborn Doon)

the ES from Int nerf was well deserved

[livid quarry]

did ppl int stack to do valdos?

possible to do the hardest ones without?

[proud gorge]

1% per 5 has been way too much for a while now, it's just that that number was based around a much older version of PoE

[soft perch]

ye

[proud gorge]

where the amount of Int you could realistically stack was miles lower

but yeah, you can do Valdos without Int Stack

[soft perch]

there were a few builds around that can do valdos

[livid quarry]

[soft perch]

transcendence setups come to mind

[sleek barn]

conversion trap obviously, because you just convert the feared dudes in there

problem solved

[soft perch]

im sure there will be funny belt builds in valdos

[dim sonnet]

28mn act1 on storm brand pre buff

not half bad

[proud gorge]

funnily enough, the best defensive shrine for ES stacking is probably going to be Massive Shrine actually, not Impenetrable, because Impenetrable only gives 100% increased ES, which is a stat you should already have a ton of on ES stack. While Massive Shrine gives 40% increased max life, which is a much more useful stat when converting life to base ES in some manner

and also harder to get in stupid quantities

[molten hazel]

@soft perch just did the math to get that skill to 8-9 seconds of duration it is 5 skill point 1 anoint and a support gem that you have to sac to get there

[proud gorge]

unless you're not doing Life -> ES stacking stuff

[karmic gust]

well best defensive shrine will be the one that will let you free suffixes for more attributes

so resistance anyway

[warm musk]

https://pobb.in/ANDgvlOraF3p

[molten hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hicks-mic-tap-mic-test-gif-13906564281384227237

[soft perch]

you mean resistance shrine

[warm musk]

pob is lying

[proud gorge]

probably yeah, though depending on how many suffix slots you need you might be able to gather up enough resistance elsewhere and go Massive, which is itself a huge bonus, but in practice it'll probably just end up being res again yeah

[livid quarry]

mayb the int es changed already

[proud gorge]

post PoB

[warm musk]

https://pobb.in/ANDgvlOraF3p

[soft perch]

your attributes are different

youre using different gear or a different setup

[odd fox]

Maybe the real S tier build this upcoming league are the friends(who went offline) we made along the way.

[proud gorge]

I'm seeing 100k on PoB

[warm musk]

Damn

[molten hazel]

why are you looking at your normal attack and not LA ?

[warm musk]

mine says its 200k

ty tho!

[odd fox]

wtf

How many mirrors is that

[soft perch]

you are using different gear though of some kind

[molten hazel]

yes

[karmic gust]

its just bugged chest and the amulet with those 2 items rest doesnt even matter

[warm musk]

I think im mostly using the same

[proud gorge]

what's your config look like?

[soft perch]

then why are the attributes different

[proud gorge]

also, is this your character PoB or your build PoB

[warm musk]

Build pob

cant upload yet

Import*

[soft perch]

link character

[proud gorge]

how are you showing 200k then? The one you posted I just clicked on and it just shows 100k

with no toggling of anything

[warm musk]

no clue

[soft perch]

says 210k for me

[warm musk]

Maybe we're using diff ver

[karmic gust]

same here

[warm musk]

but your s is correct

WKZ

what are you using lol

[rocky glade]

Berserker Holy Strike hmmm

[proud gorge]

ah, I'm not on the patch notes update I guess?

[rocky glade]

Guardian or Berserker
What to choose what to choose

[karmic gust]

2.60.0 would be correct version

idk why your pob is behaving differently

[warm musk]

Also even if Im using diff gear as lnog as the mana is close

its ok but I guess it might diff gear

[soft perch]

turn clarity on

[warm musk]

or our pob ver reads the items differently

[proud gorge]

Clarity is on

[soft perch]

put the watchers eye on if youre not wearing it

[warm musk]

I am wearing it

[soft perch]

check in case u have 2

somehow

[proud gorge]

without Clarity the PoB shows way lower es

[warm musk]

WKZ is closer to mine

like in reality

so probably something about the beta ver inflated my es numbers in the first place ty guys!

[worthy wind]

Where can i find most builds for Poe of im new ?

[proud gorge]

here, post the Energy Shield window in Calcs

we can see where the disconnect is

[tranquil sedge]

morning fellas

time to look at new gems wew

[soft perch]

if it is a pob bug

[tranquil sedge]

they released the post an hour after i fell asleep

[soft perch]

id imagine its to do with choir

[soft perch]

and having a stupid amount of lightning res

it might be a tasalio bug in pob

[proud gorge]

huh, mouse over "Total"

[soft perch]

cuz all ur resists are equal

when they shouldnt be#

[proud gorge]

see where that total ES is coming from

[proud gorge]

here's what mine looks like

[warm musk]

ty!

[proud gorge]

huh, okay, so the inc/red on the mana to energy shield conversion is way higher

[warm musk]

probably from the beta ver?

[proud gorge]

I guess we'll have to check the mana to es conversion sources

[soft perch]

i actually think wkz accidentally clicked tempered by war

which basically has the same effect as pob not calculating tasalio properly

lul

[proud gorge]

this is literally the exact PoB that was posted with no changes

and, again, the one I have somehow reflects actual reality

in actual PoE

[livid quarry]

dunno what to play beyond league starter

dont feel like doing flicker again

[proud gorge]

we show the same amount of mana, even

[livid quarry]

cyclone probably too low dps

[potent bramble]

Join me in the mystical world of FRoSS

[proud gorge]

the difference seems to be that Quetzal's version shows a much much higher Mana to ES conversion

[warm musk]

Its just not me

[livid quarry]

whats fross dps

[soft perch]

its tasalio not calculating correctly

[potent bramble]

Somewhere between 'good' and 'great'

[soft perch]

its a pob bug

[warm musk]

so it's probably something related to our PoB build

[tranquil sedge]

use #1┃new-player-in-campaign-help for your questions and see the link below also for some guides

[soft perch]

its showing 100% converted fire res to cold and lightning

when it should be 50

[covert swan]

A short list of places to find builds for new players:

Maxroll.GG's leaguestarter buildguide section has high quality build guides

If you are more into video guides, a playlist by the youtuber Zizaran, he also has a bunch of other video guides for new players.

A collection of minion build guides created/ curated by GhazzyTV

You can also always find popular builds on the Builds section of Poe.ninja, but those aren't really guides, just snapshots of live player builds without any explanation for what makes them good or not good.

[proud gorge]

Tasalio not calculating properly would result in a way lower mana value

I show 230k mana still

[warm musk]

the mana conversion is inflated in our build

[soft perch]

right but this is not possible

[potent bramble]

This was from last league, in the pre-mageblood setup

[proud gorge]

oh huh yeah, that is way too high

[soft perch]

there might also be something fucked in the game

[proud gorge]

Quetzal, what's your mana at?

[soft perch]

choir might be calculating the mana before its converted down

[proud gorge]

I mean in PoB

[soft perch]

and es is calculating when its converted down

so it seems like both a pob and an ingame bug to me

[soft perch]

which is funny

[warm musk]

just switched to storm rain

[finite quail]

hmm

[proud gorge]

it's not an in game bug, the bug is that PoB is showing the ES as way too high, not in game too low

[soft perch]

the ingame bug is that his mana is way too high

[warm musk]

Yep

[soft perch]

the pob bug is that his es is way too high

they should both be halved in reality

[warm musk]

The damage is ok tho

[soft perch]

ye

[warm musk]

Tried a view 100% deli, 90% less damage, x4 ghosted and MFA perfromed better than the armour stacker

[rocky glade]

Why are people saying that the Holy Strike minions use a different Holy Strike skill than the one we used? Wtf?

[proud gorge]

the PoB I'm looking at shows what seems to be correct amounts of res and mana

[rocky glade]

Is that, a thing?

[proud gorge]

they don't use Holy Strike at all, they just use minion basic attack

or, uh, minion attack anyways

[warm musk]

favor, can you check my dps on this config? https://pobb.in/ITVXMrOVtqtq

[proud gorge]

a minion attack, not named Holy Strike

otherwise they'd be spawning their own holy armamments

[potent bramble]

Also this is the mirror-tier setup, @livid quarry. eHP is around 100k for the pre-Mageblood setup, then up to ~250k for the mirror-tier setup. Felt EXTREMELY smooth the whole way through, even staying on the pre-mageblood setup the whole time (got distracted and stopped playing before I bought a MB lol)

[rocky glade]

Have you read the tooltip? It says the minion will attack the same target with Holy Strike

[proud gorge]

it's definitely not the actual skill Holy Strike, otherwise they'd also spawn Holy Armaments

[livid quarry]

can i see pob

[rocky glade]

Well then their version of Holy Stroke won't spawn Holy Armaments

[proud gorge]

no, that says they target the same target (that you target using holy strike) with their own attack

[rocky glade]

Lmao Holy Stroke

[dark shoal]

Poe in 20 years.

[proud gorge]

the wording is kind of ambiguous

[soft perch]

hover over the number in mana calculation

[potent bramble]

Credit goes to IcyBaron on twitch/YT, I didn't make it myself 🙂 https://pobb.in/x4shyQ0AT27u
Also critical reminder that this was for Keepers, it has not been updated to reflect any changes for Mirage

[proud gorge]

here it is with nothing changed

[rocky glade]

Yeah is it attack the target you hit with Holy Strike, OR attack the target you hit, with Holy Strike

[arctic tundra]

it is, but in the content reveal they specifically said that the minions use holy strike. however, minions have always had their own innate versions of skills that differ from players

[rocky glade]

Holy shit this is so dumb

[rocky glade]

Or this

[arctic tundra]

you use holy strike, summon the guys, they use their own minion version of holy strike

[rocky glade]

This is what I'm guessing

[arctic tundra]

this is already in the game with other minions skills, nothing new

[warm musk]

So I have half dps

ty!

[rocky glade]

God I wish someone asked this before

[soft perch]

this increased number should be halved

[proud gorge]

that's 50% of overcapped Lightning Res yeah

[rocky glade]

Because I am absolutely paranoid rn

[warm musk]

There's something wrong w the version of our PoB

[final owl]

it's obvious that;s how it would work or it would chain summon minions endlessly

[arctic tundra]

correct

[solid stratus]

if you slot ancestral call into holy strike and you have 3 minions and you hit enemies further away with holy strike do the minions also hit those enemies

[arctic tundra]

which would be super cool, but definitely not how its gonna work

[tight plinth]

in the showcase, to me it looks like it does

[arctic tundra]

the armaments have their own holy stirke that they will use, whatever that is. but it is not just a 1:1 replication of the holy strike skill that you, the player, uses

[tight plinth]

thats to me, idk

[arctic tundra]

again its how minion skills have always worked more or less

[soft perch]

this actually is just this bugged pob getting to the right number through a bug

thats funny

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the amount of mana in game is correct. They have 3606 base mana, with around 6300% increased mana due to 12,000 overcapped Lightning Res (due to Taliso converting 25,000 overcapped Fire Res). 3606 * 64 = 230,784.

[stray sedge]

tf is this

[soft perch]

ye i agree

[thin fern]

What are the chances we get a Unique version of a Cord Belt that allows for more than 1 anointment

Oil Enthroned

[soft perch]

thats funny

[stray sedge]

well oiled?

[tight plinth]

it hit the mobs on the far left and the far right, idk if holy strike could hit those without ancestral

[proud gorge]

there's a piece of extremely bugged equipment in Standard that has +25,244% Fire Res on it

[stray sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/roomhoki-hoki-miggi-hokiroom-gif-16650148507263702260

[stray sedge]

oh yeah

[soft perch]

my fuckin eyes

holy

[proud gorge]

every single build in Standard is based around that item

lmao

[stray sedge]

Wonder how much it is to mirror a copy of it - the person who owns the base surely charges a premium ahahha

[charred hornet]

That just stranglegasp on belt

Btw i like how the rare random double annoint still not a thing lol

[hybrid harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vyNa69RjUs might just have to get baited

[rocky glade]

No, minions don't use Ancestral Call or being affected by them at all

Multistrike works tho

[solid stratus]

i wasn't asking if minions use ancestral call

[sleek barn]

seems reasonable

[livid quarry]

coc fross cool build. worried that cyclone without mb feels slow

and that part of tree has no ms

[tranquil sedge]

das what stampede's for

[soft perch]

yo

[proud gorge]

play self-cast FRoSS then

[soft perch]

stampede actually maybe good now with screams of the dessicated

u have no quicksilver

so accel shrine good

[livid quarry]

yeah

[proud gorge]

or Cyclone CoC FRoSS but with other stuff

[rocky glade]

Okay I just read your sentence again, probably still no? They don't seem to affected by Ancestral Call's effect

[sleek barn]

the minions range is limited to where they are

which is next to you

[proud gorge]

self-cast FRoSS is good though

[solid stratus]

i was asking if the minions considered enemies hit by holy strike's ancestral call ancestors as enemies targeted by holy strike and attack them

[sleek barn]

they don't teleport

[proud gorge]

I might have to play another poison spell build

[sleek barn]

sure if they're in range

[proud gorge]

poison spells is always a good time

[tough cove]

thats probably gonna be my second build

[proud gorge]

but I don't want to run through the poison spell builds too fast

[sleek barn]

being "targeted" is sorta vague though

[proud gorge]

though to be fair, my policy for what counts as a "new build" does vary heavily based on how much I like the build lmao

if it's a build I really enjoy, I'll count a relatively minor difference as a "new build"

[tight plinth]

oh new static strike doesnt have the beams auto attacking

does static stike melee and beam hit the same target?

[soft perch]

based on gem wording, probably

[tight plinth]

[granite nexus]

Yeah chains from your target. Seems good

[empty wedge]

Wanna mess around with that exemplar support and holy relic

[tight plinth]

idk how i feel about exemplar support

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, that reminds me, with all the changes, Exalted Orbs being more common, and the removal of the majority of Chaos sinks, we might be getting into an Exalt/Divine economy

that'll be fun

[empty wedge]

If you get half decent crit and do lancing steel should be good uptime

[tight plinth]

you also need to be able to hit

[granite nexus]

Wont you still chaos roll maps?

[sleek barn]

if im lazy

[proud gorge]

you can, but that doesn't really act as much of a price floor

[sleek barn]

but not as much as t17s

[proud gorge]

that gives it a price floor of 1 alch + 1 scour

[empty wedge]

There is a craft that hits can’t be evaded

And new accuracy node near Templar

[sleek barn]

indeed, Balls

[proud gorge]

if chaos drops enough to be worth barely more than an Alch, then chaosing maps will be valid

[rocky glade]

You know what Holy Strike just won the "most confusing skill" award

[proud gorge]

Exalts being base currency would be good imo, because it has inherent sinks

if Exalts are cheap enough, you just exalt your maps

and there's always reasons to do that

[tight plinth]

whats confusing about it? you hit stuff and minion hits stuff

[rocky glade]

What does the minion hit with is the confusion here

[proud gorge]

so yeah, an Exalt/Divine economy would probably be nice actually

[tranquil sedge]

gives what a price floor?
last couple times i played its been cheaper to chaos spam than alch+scour after some time has progressed in a league

[final owl]

that's also not confusing

[tight plinth]

it hits with a copy of your weapon?

[final owl]

it hits with the same skill that does not have the summon minion component

[proud gorge]

chaos, but yeah. I just meant that "chaos rolling maps" isn't really much of a chaos sink

[civic charm]

so are people cooking up EB trans shock nova?

[tranquil sedge]

oh. yeah. no, needs more of a sink for sure

[proud gorge]

and the ability to do that only really starts consuming chaos orbs when a chaos orb is worth barely more than an alch

[empty wedge]

Chaos spam jewels incoming

[tranquil sedge]

im really surprised nightmare maps aren't only modifiable by chaos

[empty wedge]

Clusters to be more specific

[tranquil sedge]

like i know people aren't going to using them as their primary farm but like still lol

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Exalt/Div economy would be fun

[soft perch]

i kinda hate that nightmare maps can roll to be fully miraged

theres a world where they are the endgame

still

[tranquil sedge]

there was another nerf to the maps in the latest patch notes

they've lowered the monster count in those maps

[rancid sluice]

holy strike feels like straight drama right now and how it plays vs ppl expectations could get ugly

[soft perch]

yea

but they can still be fully miraged and get originator mods

and originator maps cant be fully miraged

[tranquil sedge]

fully miraged = equivalent of scourge league?

[proud gorge]

can they not?

or rather, can Nightmare maps be fully miraged? Where's that info from?

[mystic socket]

What leaguestarters look good for more tank over damage? I liked earthshatter as a first build a lot last league.

[tranquil sedge]

where did u see that u can't roll that on t16.5 ? 😮

[soft perch]

i distinctly remember hearing it from a q&a and someone else said in here cant remember who

something about its an implicit

originator is already an implicit

[granite nexus]

Slayer shield crush pretty great starter that is decently tanky

[proud gorge]

you can have multiple implicits on a map though

I think

no wait I'm thinking of Elder influenced Shaper maps

[mystic socket]

Is it smooth leveling too? In acts I mean

Sunder was so easy this league

[tight plinth]

bleed, block glad

its not fancy but its decently tanky

[full kraken]

yall ready for the chaos sink removal subtly shifting the rate of inflation of chaos:div ratio

[proud gorge]

you might still be able to get multiple implicits on a map, but I can't think of any obvious examples

[proud gorge]

I said it before, Exalt/Div economy

[soft perch]

pretty sure it was on the octavian and andrew q&a

[tight plinth]

we back to gcp as main currency

[proud gorge]

I'll be peeved if we get people complaining about the Chaos/Div ratio being really high, but refusing to consider Exalt/Div economy

[worldly bridge]

why is endurance stacking holy sweep jugg quin build

[soft perch]

cuz it sounds slow

[proud gorge]

one of the main strengths of PoE's currency system is that baseline currencies can shift depending on the ratios

[tranquil sedge]

what does the implicit on originator maps even do though

[tight plinth]

no damage

[soft perch]

add originator packs probs

[proud gorge]

adds "Originator Influence"

[tranquil sedge]

is the implicit what allows them to roll the t16 + t17 modpool?

because thats the part we care about

[soft perch]

yea

[worldly bridge]

ok then uh

[soft perch]

nightmare maps can do that without an implicit tho

[worldly bridge]

does anyone have some generals cry resources

[soft perch]

so if u want to do ambush of containment

[worldly bridge]

im thinkjing of gen cry for endgame

[tranquil sedge]

well yes nightmare is just t17 maps downgraded to t16 and made worse

[soft perch]

u probably want miraged t17s but theyre probs quite expensive

idk

[granite nexus]

Very now that you can gamble for sheilds while leveling so its very easy to keep your damage up

[tight plinth]

jung probably has one

[soft perch]

they get originator mods tho

[molten hazel]

i hate the days before league start it is always such a fucking pain to choose a league starter you find 1 then you find out its trash or not what you thought it was and then the cycle repeats

[worldly bridge]

like from an older league?

[tight plinth]

i forgot the name of the gencry youtuber

[worldly bridge]

will check

[tranquil sedge]

originator mods are t17 mods? no?

[mystic socket]

Ok thanks

[soft perch]

ye

my point is

[tranquil sedge]

i get ur point ye

[tight plinth]

lemme see if i can find him

[soft perch]

u cant get fully miraged 16.5s, only nightmare maps

[rancid sluice]

its not college man pick something and roll, if it doesnt stick go again

[soft perch]

it feels pretty bad to regret ur starter ngl

[worldly bridge]

pls do ping me if you find anything

[rocky glade]

So is the new Necromancer boss considered as a Pinnacle Boss?

[mystic socket]

I don’t like doing the

That

[rocky glade]

Or just a regular League endgame boss

[charred hornet]

Its not....yet

[final owl]

you do it enough times you start to learn to discern bait from not

[proud gorge]

like, it's inevitably going to happen. People are going to complain about things being stupidly expensive because the Chaos:Div ratio is like 400:1 or something, but not acknowledge that they also get 3x as much chaos for selling things. And also will refuse to consider selling/buying in Exalts instead of Chaos.

[worldly bridge]

it feels pretty bad to regret ur starter ngl

yeah i mean

[granite nexus]

Idk of a gen cry exclusive streamer but tuna made a google sheet calc a few leagues ago that is still accurate

[molten hazel]

going with a subpar starter feels like shit and its even more shit if its on a class you cant rly switch out of outside of releveling a new class

[mystic socket]

Exactly

[worldly bridge]

im not no blaster but i dont wanna be in campaign for four days

[soft perch]

ngl

i bet gen cry holy hammers fucks

[arctic tundra]

always start duelist ez. done

[proud gorge]

just a league endgame boss yeah

though league endgame bosses are often pinnacle-tier

[mystic socket]

Hopefully I’m yellow maps day 2

I never been fast leveler

[molten hazel]

its not so much bait anymore i always know i can go LA deadeye and not hate my self but i also wanna actually try new shit

[soft perch]

some of the ggg showcases made holy hammers aoe look monstrous

like actually monstrous

throw that shit on gen cry and ur gaming

[rancid sluice]

i shouldnt really have said that as im not an optimum effiecency lad so i get it. im not scared to take a day or two to find something but i know thats not everyones line

[soft perch]

• u dont need to generate many powercharges

[arctic tundra]

god i cant wait to slam some banners

[mystic socket]

I’m a get to endgame as fast as possible typa person

[proud gorge]

yeah, some people really hate doing campaign so much that if their leaguestart is subpar, they'd rather suffer than run campaign again. Which is wild.

[rocky glade]

Idk man the Breach one was a pushover

[tranquil sedge]

im not scared to take a day or two to find something
taking 2 days to decide on a build isn't even about efficiency at that point

[mystic socket]

And I’m on spring break the week after this so I’ve got time to fuck shit up

[worldly bridge]

for me personally it depends

[molten hazel]

that is me i have a unhealthy hate of the campaign

[worldly bridge]

sometimes i can tolerate the bad early game

sometimes i cant

[proud gorge]

Even if you hate campaign, spending another few hours running campaign so you can enjoy yourself for the rest of the league is well worth it compared to suffering on a build you don't enjoy for the rest of the league so that you can avoid running campaign one more time.

[tranquil sedge]

and most people here aren't going to be close to optimum efficiency either, but its a dogshit feeling if u pick a bad starter that can't scale well enough to even farm currency for a second build

[rancid sluice]

well everyone probably has a different meter on 'if its working' or not and when to fold and move to something else

[final owl]

campaign is so easy i don't understand hating it

[wintry lily]

After like 50+ runs, people don't want to touch it again

[tranquil sedge]

it is easy
its also not something i want to do a second time on day 2 because my day 1 build didnt work out lol

[wintry lily]

even if its 4 hours per attempt

[proud gorge]

I've run campaign, like, gotta be at least 150 times so far?

[molten hazel]

being easy and being tedious is not mutually excliusive

[tranquil sedge]

like i'll tolerate running campaign once for a new character or two in a league but fuck doing it again just coz i choose poorly lol on my leaguestarter

[shy furnace]

2nd time is easy cause u have money an twink the shit out of ur next char

[tranquil sedge]

doesn't make it any more enjoyable

just tolerable

[wintry lily]

Brother its easy first time around too lmao

[proud gorge]

I usually run somewhere between 5 and 30 times a league, though usually its closer to 10-ish

[wintry lily]

its just not an enjoyable experience

[shy furnace]

its beyond eaSY the 2nd time

plus u can ask friend to give u tp too

[tranquil sedge]

who cares about easy seriously

[mystic socket]

I got lucky and dropped a Damnation div card in crimson township while leveling

[proud gorge]

and I've played, uh... I want to say at least 12 leagues so far? I'm not sure, its probably higher than that

[tranquil sedge]

everyone knows its 'easy'

nobody is saying its 'hard'

its just effort, that is all

and people like to avoid that effort when possible

[shrewd fiber]

are traps and mines the same?

[shy furnace]

bribe ea friend some D and have them unlock tp

[tranquil sedge]

i.e. dont pick bad leaguestarter

[wintry lily]

I probably would've been at 180 act runs by now had I not started hating myself for even rerolling characters as often

[mystic socket]

No

[livid quarry]

acts so easy a bot could play it for me

[tranquil sedge]

no

[hybrid harness]

all the builds Im considering start rolling magma till like maps and I cant fucking stand it, why is it so popular? dmg has to be insane to make up for the playstyle

[wintry lily]

I've just been sticking to pathfinder for a long ass time and maybe a 2nd character once a league

[final owl]

just.. don't start rolling magma if you hate it?

[hybrid harness]

then the firestorm switch which Ive never tried either. maybe I do a practice run

[shy furnace]

arma brand and firestorm w orks too

new holy flame totem maybe too

[surreal musk]

no1 ever uses rolling magma till maps, u always swap to either crema or firestorm in act 3

[proud gorge]

Okay so apparently I've played 16 leagues, 17 if you include Phrecia, with an average of around 10 characters a league

[hybrid harness]

yes they all make the firestorm switch

[proud gorge]

so probably around 160-170-ish characters through campaign

[final owl]

10 characters a league is crazy honestly. I almost never roll more than one.

[tight plinth]

i prefer arma, its slower but less jank

[surreal musk]

and arma of course

[proud gorge]

I really enjoy building characters, its my favorite part of the game

[surreal musk]

cream+arma or firestorm+arma is the fire leveling meta

[tranquil sedge]

melee characters have it simpler
bonk ur way to success

slam slam slam

[final owl]

haha well, that is evident 😛

[tranquil sedge]

sunder sunder sunder

[hard cliff]

https://pobb.in/Ba2Rb6sEh9PX

Can someone tell me why this guy is still going block with Dawnbreaker ?

He's still taking fire damage......

[proud gorge]

so personally I find the process of levelling a character through campaign extremely enjoyable, though yeah I understand some people dislike it

[hybrid harness]

sunder feels so good all the way to maps

[tight plinth]

crema does so much damage with flamewall

[gritty epoch]

U can absolutely do rolling magma till act10

[tight plinth]

but im too lazy

[proud gorge]

though I will say, I think some people make campaign feel worse for themselves by always playing a nearly identical levelling build through acts

[wintry lily]

I play identical levelling builds to get past acts asap

[hard cliff]

I'm trying to not do this and play something fun a bit early on

not sure what tho

(going witch)

[wintry lily]

aint no way im sticking around after a whole ass decade

[proud gorge]

obviously campaign is going to feel very boring and samey if you play the exact same levelling build through campaign every single time no matter the build

[livid quarry]

i think i make it longer for myself by trying a new build every leag start

not enjoyable either way

[tight plinth]

its kinda enjoyable when youre in act3 and have mageblood

[granite nexus]

Idk why but i want to play traps

[final owl]

I have never played the same build or starter twice

[proud gorge]

I suppose it depends on your goal. My goal is to enjoy the process of watching a character come together over the course of acts, so I always play something as close as possible to my final build no matter what, but depending on the build that can end up being pretty slow. Personally I don't mind taking longer in campaign, but I know some people care a lot about hitting acts as early in a league as possible.

and yeah, I never play the same build twice

[rancid sluice]

enjoying campaign is minority, i enjoy it too i like the feeling of building a char vs top tier min max but its all good theres enough room for all of us

[proud gorge]

so I've played a lot of builds

[final owl]

If I go KF this league it will be the first time I play the same skill 2 leagues in a row

[rancid sluice]

eh i watch the same movie 100 times i dont like surprises lol

[molten hazel]

there is only so much difference you can do before you are just handicaping your self to slow down your progress. my only goal on league start is getting to maps as fast as possible i have dont give a rats ass about the campagin

[final owl]

I also don't rewatch movies

[hard cliff]

I rarely rewatch anything either

[tight plinth]

@hard cliff https://youtu.be/dibGDvxj4uE?si=8ZjbQxUFqetxpZH4&t=20

[final owl]

I guess more accurately I don't watch movies at all tbh

[molten hazel]

already done that it was giga jank but still fun

[proud gorge]

but yeah, ultimately, while some skills are better/worse for campaigning, there's honestly not that much difference between spells. The main thing you want in a campaign levelling skills is some skill that a) can be scaled through campaign extremely easily, and b) has infinite pierce

[tight plinth]

[proud gorge]

Rolling Magma has good scaling and infinite pierce

but so does Freezing Pulse

[hard cliff]

Tempting

[tight plinth]

[proud gorge]

any projectile-ish spell with infinite pierce will do the job

[hard cliff]

Wow this sucks at mapping

[proud gorge]

letting it benefit from Flame Wall and also burst through packs easily

[hard cliff]

Not good @tight plinth

[tight plinth]

who cares, it 1 shots things

[final owl]

i think boss one shotters are typically not amazing mapping builds

[proud gorge]

and in the case of attack levelling, you pick any attack with, similarly, good scaling and infinite pierce

[hard cliff]

Then why is he telling me to league start it ?!

[proud gorge]

Sunder is the classic

[hard cliff]

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH @tight plinth

[tight plinth]

[glacial orchid]

In standard right now. button non-functional for everyone?

[proud gorge]

but most Slams with good directionality will work

[worldly bridge]

sunder yaayyy hehahahahahahhhAHAAHAHA

iLOVE SUNDER

[hard cliff]

Not part of the game

[final owl]

we are in the bait zone of pre-league. it is part of the pre-league ritual to have bait shenanigans.

[rancid sluice]

keepers doesnt exist anymore so yeah

[proud gorge]

if you don't like Sunder, level on any other slam with good directionality

[molten hazel]

XDDDDD tell that to the poor french man that did not know there was any guides for this game and had died over 2.5k times before beating the act 10 boss even 1 time

[proud gorge]

or any attack with good directionality, though Slams have very good in-campaign scaling

[worldly bridge]

well therse not much else in terms of slams

[hard cliff]

I'm filling in my leveling guide right now

[worldly bridge]

you could play ground slam xdd

[proud gorge]

Ground Slam honestly isn't bad

[granite nexus]

Alt ground slam is dope

[proud gorge]

it's got good directionality and infinite pierce

GC probably levels well too

though that's a spell

uh, I'm not sure if EK has infinite pierce

but that probably works alright

especially with some of the phys as extra elemental gems you can pick up early

plus Flame Wall

Ball Lightning can probably level decently too

and Eye of Winter maybe

though they're also kind of slow

[worldly bridge]

thats what im looking into rn for holy sweep

[proud gorge]

Spark has the issue of having extremely poor directionality

[worldly bridge]

i just like dont know how to get corpses

[wintry lily]

If you consider levelling with ek, dont, shooting yourself at the foot is a much better experience.

[finite quail]

keepers is not in standard

[proud gorge]

Glacial Cascade?

[worldly bridge]

oh

[finite quail]

Shouldn't be too bad if you do it with mines

[worldly bridge]

generals cry

[rancid sluice]

i keep hearing worb whispers i missed when it first came out and was nasty its been meh since then

[proud gorge]

ah

[wintry lily]

then literally run any other spell for an even better experience

[hard cliff]

What should I level as with witch ?

I tried living lightning in keepers it's REALLY bad

[worldly bridge]

i wanna play holy sweep ok :<

spinny

[wintry lily]

and how does ek even pertain to that

[proud gorge]

usually General's Cry builds just kill a couple white mobs themselves

[golden moat]

having 65/65 block in act 3/4 on glad feels like cheating

[heady cliff]

ek is the best spell in the game for levelling ||in mud flats vs rhoas||

[worldly bridge]

dont they dissapear after the first attack

[proud gorge]

instead of generating corpses by spell cast

[rancid sluice]

@hard cliff whats your endgame? ele or necro or what

[wintry lily]

||rhoa no diffs||

[proud gorge]

against bosses, though, yeah, you'll need some corpses from elsewhere

[tight plinth]

you still want desecrate in the build

[hard cliff]

Absolution necro so I could just swap at like level 30~

[proud gorge]

Desecrate, or Corpsewalker boots

[simple stag]

no more kf piragon?

[proud gorge]

I think those work?

Lemme check

[tight plinth]

corpsewalker should work

[rancid sluice]

@hard cliff if you are going minion SRS is stupid easy to start at like lvl 8

[hard cliff]

Got way too popular

Expensive + Meta

They stole it from me

[hard cliff]

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA

[proud gorge]

yeah, looks like General's Cry builds just bring a Desecrate

[tight plinth]

you just need to cast it once for bosses

[worldly bridge]

the other thing ive seen is using a hydrosphere to proc the hammerfall from sweep

but idk if thats worth in campaign

[hard cliff]

Sorry this was for @simple stag

I'm multi tasking

[simple stag]

Ah lol

[tight plinth]

hydrosphere has 1 second cooldown before it can be hit again iirc

so its hardly anything

unless youre also using it for exposure i guess

[worldly bridge]

socket 2 of them then ig

[tight plinth]

although im not sure what the interaction between hydrosphere and mirage warriors

maybe the cd is per entity

[slender pawn]

do aurabots work for mine builds?

[worldly bridge]

oh also this means you don have to worry about warcry cdr being too high right

since you dont override your boys anymore

[hard cliff]

Minion people does this look right ?

[tight plinth]

so mirrage can double hit always

[proud gorge]

but yeah, as for attack skills, good levelling attack skills include obviously Sunder, but also Ground Slam, Perforate (of Bloodshed maybe?), but also probably Consecrated Path or Leap Slam of Groundbreaking, though those ones have less directionality and more damage-while-moving

[tranquil sedge]

i can confirm that this looks like black text on a white background

[tight plinth]

no doppelgangers?

[tranquil sedge]

-# but all real runescape players know the best combination is yellow txet on a black background

[rancid sluice]

what is sprit of fortune? dunno that one all else looks legit

[limpid spade]

Is it still possible to get merc's gear from merc league if I forgot about it until now? Or did we have to take the gear off them before league ended?

[tranquil sedge]

it should have already been deposited somewhere in ur stash afaik

[proud gorge]

if you want an explodey AG, go Gravebind on it

then give it a bunch of gear with on-kill explosions

[tight plinth]

just give it legacy fury

[limpid spade]

All right, thank you. I probably have it somewhere then

[soft perch]

ok something has awoken inside of me

i want to play gen cry holy hammers guardian

[tranquil sedge]

ye check for any remove-only tab from merc league

[tight plinth]

is it the need for speed?

[soft perch]

and i unironically think it might be good

[tight plinth]

pausechamp

[soft perch]

the new hallowing flame notable genuinely seems good for gen cry

[worldly bridge]

aight im gonna attempt gc sweep levelling

after i do some nightly stuff

[soft perch]

u should get 80% phys as extra easily

and the extra fire might be solid

u can click shrines and idk click the relics too if u want idk fuck it

[rancid sluice]

sigh ill be getting off 12 hr night shift fri morn into league start. i better put every duck in a row i can to get ready

[worldly bridge]

my place of work opens right at league start at 4pm est

every fuckin time

[tight plinth]

you dont have to start exactly at league start

[worldly bridge]

i know, but it sucks i never get the chance to

[rancid sluice]

its exciting even if your not a speedster

[worldly bridge]

i avoid all the launch issues like connection but itd be nice to be in the pit so to speak at least once

[finite quail]

lucky damage spectre iirc

[hard cliff]

Guardian won't be killing stuff for legacy explode

[rancid sluice]

oh i see ty

[gritty garnet]

it's basically kuduku but not very tanky

[tight plinth]

oh i forgot about spectres

does that lucky damage negate the unlucky damage from sabo ascendancy?

[hard cliff]

Lightning Damage of nearby allies is Lucky

[proud gorge]

anyways, I might genuinely play Triggerbots Sabo again. I briefly played it a bit last league, but never actually hit the breakpoint where it starts being very silly

[rancid sluice]

yeah clearly huge for abso

[proud gorge]

it's a very cheap Uber killer also

[hard cliff]

yeah that's awesome

[finite quail]

though if you go with a spectre, don't you need to take minion nodes on the tree so it doesnt die?

or just a defensive 4link for it is enough?

[hard cliff]

Who me ?

[finite quail]

asking in general

[rancid sluice]

youre invested into minion anyway in Pira's case

[worldly bridge]

could you cwc desecrate autoexert gen cry linked with sweep

does that cause mana issues

im not good at this whole build thing

[hard cliff]

Necro Bone Offering and the other big life node

and maybe bone offering

[proud gorge]

what are you channeling for CWC?

[worldly bridge]

cylone prob

[tight plinth]

me personally my defense for it would be a screen full of spark to kill things

[proud gorge]

that could theoretically work, but you don't really need CWC Desecrate

[worldly bridge]

have to use a mace or staff for sweep

[proud gorge]

Gen Cry doesn't consume corpses

[worldly bridge]

oh it doesnt?

[tight plinth]

no

[proud gorge]

so on a boss you only need to desecrate once

[worldly bridge]

ig i assumed it did

it only says "summons"

on the gem

neato

[hard cliff]

Bone Offering on a wand trigger setups is nuts

[proud gorge]

and in mapping you don't need to desecrate repeatedly since you'll naturally generate more corpses on the ground

[hard cliff]

this will always be up too lol

[proud gorge]

through mysterious means

[worldly bridge]

mhmm

mysterious holy means

[tight plinth]

is atoll in the map pool?

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/Q9TbKq8.png

That's a lot of EB

:|

[proud gorge]

should be yeah

it's currently in the map series and wasn't removed in the patch notes

[simple stag]

So dual static strike + trans static strike?

[tight plinth]

sweet

[simple stag]

Why play 1 7L when you can get ur clear and ST in 2 6L!

[onyx adder]

sometimes mommy needs the recovery okay

[rancid sluice]

loaded

[hybrid harness]

can you use archmage together with frostmage?

[tight plinth]

ooooh

you can

idk if its efficient

one scales on unreserved mana, the other from reserved mana

so they working against each other

[hybrid harness]

ahh true

go 50% reserved 5head

[simple stag]

sounds like when i tried to make heralds work

[tight plinth]

i mean there could be a balance, idk

[hybrid harness]

forstmage has the benefit of being able to use auras right but mana cost

with reserved will be rough

[tight plinth]

frostmage mana cost is also based on reserved max mana

[proud gorge]

Frostmage actually has a better scaling than Archmage

but the cost is that you have very high mana costs

with usually mostly or entirely reserved mana

[onyx adder]

if ur going to do this cant u just change ur 6l to a 5l at the crafting bench

its faster

[proud gorge]

so you can't realistically hit 100% reserved, the way you can get 100% unreserved from Archmage

[hybrid harness]

yea gorathas was talking about EB but idk seems like a lot of investment to make it work

do u ever go oom on archmage? cuz what if u get like 70% reserved will that 30% ever not be enough

or then its 70% reserved which might not be better than archmage anymore

[onyx adder]

so u have two options

[surreal musk]

seems like a mjolnir angle

[onyx adder]

1. reserve all or almost all ur mana

[proud gorge]

I mean, even if it's less flat than archmage at that level, you do still get auras

which is a nice benefit

[hybrid harness]

yea

[onyx adder]

this is more damage and straightforward, its what everyone thinks of

2. reserve 70% of ur mana and run mom

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-cute-beautiful-efy3pnbPVjNPa

[hybrid harness]

oh right frostmage no mom

[onyx adder]

this basically trades arcane cloak and a bit of damage for a pile of auras

[proud gorge]

how does MoM help?

[onyx adder]

since many archmage builds dont get a survivability benefit from most of their mana since their hp pool is so much lower

this can be okay too

[sour wadi]

she makes me tendies

[hybrid harness]

survivability

or wdym

[proud gorge]

the key issue is needing very high mana regen on very little unreserved mana

and 30% unreserved mana with MoM doesn't really add all that much survivability I wouldn't think

[elfin shale]

huh, unless the update it SSoGS only has 50% phys to lightning on the beam, weird

[hybrid harness]

yea mom doesnt seem runnable with frostmage to me either which is yet another downside

[proud gorge]

I think the Frostmage angle is going ES from reserved mana

[tight plinth]

what in the name of innocence is ssogs now?

[elfin shale]

Static Strike of Gathering Storms

[tight plinth]

ahsdsjkndfjkhdsfgsdljkf

[proud gorge]

so you have a lot of ES from stacking a ton of reserved mana

[tight plinth]

i hate yall and your acronyms

[elfin shale]

Oh wait its Static Strike of Gathering Lightning so SSoGL

[proud gorge]

hey, guess what SSoA stands for

[onyx adder]

why is that weird tho

its the same as the hit

[surreal musk]

how about trans static strike or chaining statitc strike

[tight plinth]

what?

i give up

[onyx adder]

i get annoyed when i need to jump through random hoops to make half my skill work

[elfin shale]

nvm i thought Static Strike, Lightning Arrow, and Storm Rain all full converted their beams

[proud gorge]

whatever you said, it's wrong. It's Splitting Steel of Ammunition/Sundering Steel of Ammunition/Summon Skeletons of Archers

[onyx adder]

none of them do

theres not many skills that have different conversion on parts of the skill, they do exist but theyre pretty rare

[proud gorge]

somehow there's three different gems that all have the acronym SSoA

[elfin shale]

oh pog the static strikes have identical DEs so its easy to pob

[tight plinth]

i have a build in mind for new static strike

[onyx adder]

its easy to pob if u know what it does

which nobody does yet 🙁

[rocky glade]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Dark_Monarch holy shit would this work with Holy Strike I wonder

[elfin shale]

i mean i can at least pob the conservative route of 1 hit 1 beam hit

[onyx adder]

u talk to 10 smart people u end up with 20 different opinions on how it stacks and maintains charges and whether it can double hit

[tight plinth]

unless they forget to add it, it should

[rocky glade]

Having 6 copies of your weapon would be nuts

[onyx adder]

the really conservative route is if it works like wild strike and u cant hit enemies with the beam and the hit

[elfin shale]

Well then we pack up the whole skill and leave

[onyx adder]

yea

[tight plinth]

how many hits for a full ramp? 12?

[soft perch]

4 second duration on the buff is a little miserable ngl

[elfin shale]

10+2 for 20% quality

[tight plinth]

4 seconds is a tad oof

[bitter bluff]

Would Reliquarian be too strong if they removed these nodes?

[tight plinth]

yes

[elfin shale]

yes

[soft perch]

its actually kinda frustrating that the static strike skill is worded like it is

[tight plinth]

you can get all 4 nodes?

[soft perch]

when reave is like

Each Reave that hits an enemy grants stages

so cut and dry

that it works with multistrike

[tranquil sedge]

'can i get an extra ascendency notable for free please'
what do you expect the answer to be lol

[bitter bluff]

At least the start, it feels bad for the first ascendancy to basically do nothing

[elfin shale]

Welcome to Scion

[tight plinth]

like regular scion?

[tranquil sedge]

thats just how scion works

[bitter bluff]

Never played it before

[onyx adder]

i do agree it feels bad fwiw

[tranquil sedge]

its also not a class that you're expected to leaguestart for the most part

[onyx adder]

its always felt bad

[proud gorge]

I mean, we don't actually know how strong Reliquarian will end up being

[tranquil sedge]

unless u really are sure of what you're doing

[elfin shale]

I guess you could shove it inbetween the first node and the seconds